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The following podcast is a Dear media production. I'm Dr. Sheila Farhan and welcome to Derma Approved. Your insider access to skin that looks and feels its best. If you've ever felt like your makeup just isn't doing what it used to do or it doesn't do what you want it to do, like under eye bags, feeling tired, looking like you're tired even though you are not tired, dragging the skin down, then you are going to love this episode. I am joined by the Erica Taylor and the sensational viral for Good reason makeup educator online. You've probably seen one of her videos, you've probably learned something. So we are going to be breaking down the biggest mistakes, best tips and game changing techniques for mature skin, especially makeup on mature skin and not really mature, but like any signs of aging. You know, I have people in their 20s, 30s that are coming in like, oh my under eye bags are fine lines, like, maybe we don't need to come see me first. Maybe we don't need to see a dermatologist first. Maybe you can do some things at home to see if you want a fuller lip or look a little bit more glowy before you see a dermatologist. Because that is all about makeup. So thank you so much for coming in today.
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I'm very excited to be here. Thank you for having me.
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So makeup is, is your world. And, and for anyone who doesn't know, I mean you've been in the industry for decades.
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Yeah, 30 years.
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Exactly. You started up. I remember I was watching one of your interviews. You were like, yeah, I was that punk rock kid. And you, you know, you worked at like Macy's.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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And then nobody would hire me. Cause I was like a, you know, weird art student.
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Yeah.
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And I had like the burgundy hair with the burgundy lipstick and like probably burgundy eyeliner.
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Yeah, yeah. And then you were at Max. So like you have been around, you have seen the things. Yes. What you're really known for is how do I just do my makeup better and mature skin and a lot of our kind of worlds Collide as well as far as like, dermatology and skin one. Not only for, like skin prep and that you need to have good skin, but our worlds really do collide in the world of art form.
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The anatomy of the face, right?
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Absolutely.
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The way the muscles shift and move. And that affects your makeup and it affects the way your face looks and affects the way you do something differently. Fat pads are moving, Things are falling.
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Exactly.
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Gravity's taken over.
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Gravity's taking over.
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But it's a scientific fact.
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There is like.
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And it's like, you've got to understand both.
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Yeah. And when you talk, like, for one example is you're really known for your placement of your contour and your blush. And when I'm doing like, injectables on patients, I am also kind of emulating exactly what it would look like if you had that makeup or that natural cheekbone there. Like with the, you know, the blush technically is supposed to be like your vessels in that area.
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You're filling that area, though. You're trying to make a fuller cheek with blush and you're like filling it also exactly like, you know, in. I'm doing out.
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Yeah. Yeah. So I love how we use makeup and like the, you know, you started off loving because you were like an art student. So it can be a form of art.
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I love portraiture. I loved painting faces. So I'm like, if you can build a face out of a flat canvas, you can most certainly manipulate an already
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existing face 1000% and then add like someone who's tired, who wants to look awake, who wants someone who, like me. You have three kids. I have a one year old. Like, insane. So it's almost like an art form. It's. I don't like to say camouflaging, but it's like making you look more awake.
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It is camouflaging. And that's okay.
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It's like.
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But it's like, so is a nice pair of jeans.
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Yeah.
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Camouflage is our fupa. Right, Right. So it's like when someone goes, it's catfishing. I'm like, so is wearing a nice fitting suit catfishing? No, it's just kind of like it's already there. You're just kind of like presenting it a little bit better.
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Exactly. So in when we were talking trends, like in the past when it was a little bit more like full coverage, and now I know you love, which I love also some of the more skincare based makeup.
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Yeah. I mean, you have to. When you get past a certain age. I love that you Also brought up saying, like, it's not specifically over 40s. It's like when your face starts doing different things. And that can be. I was 29 and I had dry skin and my bronzer was getting in my lines.
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Yeah.
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So I think it's so specific. It might not happen till you're 42, but it might happen at 29, 30. It's like, so, like, whatever you feel like, your face is doing something different and you need to change your techniques. That's what I'm there for 1,000%.
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And I think that's why I resonated. You know, I'm not over 40. I'm. I'm going to be 40 next year. But people start getting fine lines in their late, late 20s.
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Yeah. Things are different. And it's drier skin. You know, obviously I don't tell you that drier skin, it happens sooner.
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Yeah.
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And then oilier skin. They might wait till they're 45 and all of a sudden be like, what's happening, actually?
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Exactly. And I am. And I don't know if it's screen stress. I know people are a little bit better about spf, but I am seeing patients in my office, younger and younger for those fine line. It's probably social media and they're just like more fixed stated on it.
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But yeah, we're just kind of aware
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of it coming in. Yeah, they're coming in a really late 20s, sometimes early 20s for these fine lines. And they're asking me about when is a good time for Botox, which. If you ever. If you ever want to know. I say a good time for Botox is when you see those static lines and if you're comfortable, like, if you see those lines, they're staying when. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Without movement. If they're staying there, then, yeah, we can do some Botox. But, like, micro needling is really good. Yeah.
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Exfoliating. Right. I feel like sometimes it's just exfoliating. A lot of times, fine lines, it's just not exfoliating. You have dead skin sitting, and it's like if you just exfoliate and hydrate those tiny fine lines. Not wrinkles.
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Yeah.
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But a fine line will look like it's not there anymore.
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I'm glad you bring that up because so many people are so scared of the word exfoliation and it can mean so many different things. There's chemical exfoliation, physical exfoliation. I know you love the really gentle pads.
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A one and done. It's like a lazy girl exfoliant.
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Like you don't want to, like, rub it on your. Like, it really does depend what you use. But we want a little chemical exfoliation, like you said. Yeah, like, just increase that cell turnover. Get off that bad.
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It's a natural function of the skin, right? It's a natural function of the skin. But when we get older, it slows down. So we're just expediting what our skin wants to do, but can't exactly do
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it anymore as long as we're moisturizing. I mean, that is, I think, one big makeup prep tip, which I'm gonna definitely ask you about. But one thing about skin is at what point do you think women should stop blaming the. The product that they're using and start recognizing that their skin is changing?
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You know, it's so hard. I have so many women will come up to me and. And, you know, just even friends or someone my whole life, they'll be like, what makeup should I use? And I'm like, when's the last time you exfoliated or moisturized your face? Yeah, they're not. We didn't moisturize our face back in the day. And I know it sounds crazy, but, like, we just slopped makeup. Like in the 90s, like Gen X, we just slopped makeup on our face. I mean, I don't even know how I removed the makeup. Probably just like an oil thing. Yeah. Soap Dove soap.
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Exactly.
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Like, we did not. So it's really not uncommon. And it's not to make fun. Like, I'm like, before you even worry about the makeup, can we just like, exfoliate and hydrate your face? Bare minimum?
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Yeah.
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There's so many times I'd be in a store and I'm doing even a prom girl. I go to put the makeup on, and all of a sudden you see all this dryness, and I would just grab a pad, exfoliate them down.
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Yeah.
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Rehydrate makeup. Good to go.
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Exactly. I actually. We were just talking. I literally left my house at like 4 something am for my flight here. Just flew here, and I freaked out because I could not find my moisturizer.
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And you're like, what?
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And I washed my face, and I was like, I have dry skin. How am I going? It feels like, yeah, I have dry skin. How am I going to do it? Do that? And I finally found, like, one of the moisturizers I really like, but I was like, how do people do that? How do people do that?
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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You know, even like my friends that I grew up with because they're not makeup artists. And, you know, I got together with them after years and they were like, what do I do for my skincare? I'm like, what are you using for moisturizer? And it was like a body moisturizer all over their face.
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And I was like, huh, Skin is a little different.
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You know, we go through this, like, biphasic where teenagers, you know, they get oily and then we kind of start
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trying to get rid of the oil. Get rid of the oil.
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Exactly. And then we get kind of dry. And then like in the perimenopausal, menopausal, or like, sometimes a little oilier because of the test.
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Also the flashing.
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How do you do makeup different on, like, perimenopausal, menopausal women? I mean, obviously you look at the skin, but is there anything specifically that,
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like, it's tricky because it's a balance, because you can't just go straight into, like, a mattifying spray. But, you know, you're in a hot flash and you don't want your makeup to melt off. So I do like, a cocktail. I will set it with, like, a hydrating serum spray first and then double down and lock it in with like, one of those, like, aerosol, like the L' Oreal 3 second spray or like one of those that, like, really holds it in.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So I like cocktails. So it's like a cushion.
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Yeah.
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And then lock it in. And you have to touch up.
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Yeah.
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If your mustache is like, you know, I'm not. Not mustache, but, like, you're getting that lip sweat that you get when you're flashing. Take a powder with you.
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Yeah.
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Like normalize touching up. Your makeup is not supposed to, like, your face moves.
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Yeah.
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So, like, you have to, like, just bring a powder and I just touch up my T zone.
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Yeah. Do you do the trick one? I mean, I. I have to thank my, like, makeup artists locally for, like, so many of the tips because I used to fly her around and we couldn't just make that work, and a lot of people don't have the luxury to do that. So she taught me so many tips as far as, like, you know, applying your foundation on your hand before you apply it on. And I know, like, this is mostly for, like, you know, camera stuff, but it made such a difference of me, like, just applying, like, the foundation on my hand and then going with a brush and then putting it on.
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Instead of putting on too much thick, it kind of like slides off.
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Yeah, yeah. Or like my concealer a little bit.
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And Then warming up your concealer, then pressing it in. And I always say, like, with the skin on skin, like, press it in to, like, kind of make it melt in instead of just, like, slopping it
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on, dragging it on. Yeah. What's the one thing every makeup artist wishes? Dermatologists like myself talk with their patients more. Like, what's the kind of the biggest thing where you're like, I wish dermatologists like, I wish the patient, you know, your clients would listen to. Which are my patients? Or just that we should harp a little bit more about their skin for better skin prep.
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I think I feel like nobody really talks about removing your makeup properly. People are still using wipes. They're still, like, pulling at their face. And just, like, I wish it would, like, educate on, like, a double cleansing, an oil cleanser. Make sure you're not. Because I always say makeup is not bad for you. It actually protects your skin from the environment. The environment's bad for you. Okay. But not removing your makeup is bad because I feel like you have products sitting in the pores which will stretch your pores. You're, like, not letting your skin, like, breathe properly at night. So I think, like. And it's not really something that a German would talk about, because you don't talk about makeup, but, like, how are you removing your makeup?
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Yeah, I mean, sometimes I do have to. Sometimes with acne. Yeah. I. People with acne, and we. I. It takes time, but if it's acne.
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Makeup. Acne. Right.
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Yes. And I'm like, what are you doing? What.
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What.
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How are you removing your makeup?
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Then they smashing it all over your pillow.
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I will say I. I love these brands, but some of these, like, really gentle, derm. Sensitive, gentle cleans, they're not making. They're not removing all that makeup. Yeah, exactly.
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They say it all. And I'm like, I've tried it all. It's not.
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No, I love it. And I use.
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Even cold cream is not oil.
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Yeah.
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You need.
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I love micellar water. Am I doing that right? Micellar water.
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Micellar water is all right, but I just feel like for, like, waterproof stuff around the eye, I like to just take. You got to still pull.
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Yeah.
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I want a balm. I've been using them for, like, 20 years, and they came out or an oil.
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Yeah.
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I want to just go. I say go on your eyelashes until your lashes feel soft.
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Mm.
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When your lashes feel soft, the product is off, and you just kind of mush everything up and it takes it away. Or you're just Kind of gently wiping and you're not taking cloths and pulling at your face.
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Yeah, that's true. Because I am taking my micellar water on a cotton pad and I'm like,
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I feel like anything that is pulling at something like just a balm or an oil cleanser. You don't have to do any of that. You just gently until you feel the lashes get soft, rinse it all off and you're good.
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Which ones do you like for acne prone? Because that's the thing. I have a lot of acne prone patients and myself and I'm like, I don't want to use an oil based balm.
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I know, but I feel isn't it like oil removes oil? Isn't that oil does remove oil. And I learned that years ago when it first came out because I was like in my 20s and they're like an oil cleanser. I was like, ew, why am I putting oil on my face? But it works.
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It depends on the oil.
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I think I would say clean ones.
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Yeah.
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People like elements is clean.
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Yeah.
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Elemis. Yeah, Elemis.
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Yeah.
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And I think also like Cora. Oh yeah, Organic.
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Heard of that.
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Makes a really nice gentle one that's great for magnetic eczema.
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Yeah.
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Really sensitive skin. That's a good one. And then I also like Anua.
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Oh yeah.
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Super gentle and they have like a foaming cleanser that follows. But I would say if you're super sensitive skin like Kora would be great
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and you can double cleanse. Like you do the balm first and follow the foam.
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Whatever one you want.
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Whichever I tell people. Do not split, splurge. Please do not splurge on a cleanser.
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I love that you said that.
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Yeah.
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Because I feel like it's on and off your face.
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Yeah.
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It's not going to be. If you're going to spend money like serum.
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Yeah.
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Spend it on your serum. Right?
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Yeah.
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Your eye cream, your eye serum. Like a cleanser. As long as it's not bothering your skin. On and off, on and off. Don't go nuts on a foaming cleanser.
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Yeah.
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Like what are the actives really? I mean, which I use.
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I'm like whichever I pick up first.
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Yeah. Unless it's like moisturizing. You know, there's some good glycerin ones, but yeah, I agree. Do not spend that much money on your cleanser because it's exactly.
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It's not doing anything crazy unless you have like a mega sensitive skin or super issues. Like a eczema. Like eczema Skin or like, rosacea. And you gotta be really careful, but other than that, like, I use whichever one I see first.
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Yeah. If I give you five minutes with someone who said I look tired all
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the time, what's the very first thing you change?
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I'm going to give them, like, a caffeine eye serum and eye masks.
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Yes. Oh, you love the eye mask.
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I love eye mask. I mask every day for years. I'm a puffer. Like, it add up. That's my bugaboo.
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Because, you know, I'm like, I don't love face Max face masks every day. But do you use, like, a reusable silicone or.
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No, I find those reusable ones just like, so Josie Grossi.
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Sure.
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Not my fan. I'm not. I don't know if you're cleaning them right. Like, I don't know. And I feel like. Like slopping, like, salami on my face. Yeah. I don't know. I just like.
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I just like.
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I like. It doesn't have to be expensive.
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Yeah. Okay.
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I just say a caffeine aloe cucumber, a calming eye mask. And like, if you put your eye serum on and then you put your eye mask over it.
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Oh, yeah.
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I just think it just helps it, like, it does get in there. So it doesn't have to be expensive. Like, sometimes I'll even go like a TJ Maxx.
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Okay.
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And grab. Like, I have favorites that are expensive. Like the Wise beauty. Because it doesn't fall down my face.
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Love, Molly. Yeah, yeah.
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And it does. We did a whole, like, workout class and we all, like, kept our eye masks on, which, by the way, it
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did not slide off.
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The workout class was horrible for me. I love you, Molly.
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But it didn't slip and slide off because some of them are a little gooey. I don't like them. They're like slide.
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They slide and they're on your lip.
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I hate that.
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No, that doesn't. It sticks.
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Oh, yeah.
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Pricey, but nicey.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So that to me, if I'm like, running around and I want to, like, do stuff.
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Yes, yes.
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Rare beauty sticks to the face, too. And then there's ones that I always use, like, that kind of dissolve into the skin.
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Okay.
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Those are fun. Like the collagen ones, like the K Beauty.
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You get the K beauty 1 biodontes or something like that.
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Yeah, they have biodontes. And then house housing. I don't even know how to say.
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But yeah, yeah, yeah. Love that.
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And honestly, and Dolta makes great caffeine Ones, but it's just like, sometimes it's like go to TJ Maxx and I'll just like raid the three dollar rack of the mask.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You could do it on a budget.
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Yeah. Caffeine for anyone who doesn't know it constricts those vessels. Kind of just helps with that puffiness. It's a puffiness thing.
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Only thing that really helps with the puffiness.
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I find they're in cellulite creams too.
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You know they help.
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Yeah, they kind of help circulation.
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Yeah, I like them. I wish there were more creams under
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eye creams with caffeine.
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There's not a lot of great under eye creams for puffers.
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No, it's all for fine line.
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It is for wrinkles or you know, retinols. It's great for crow's feet.
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Yeah.
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But for puffy eyes. And then the ones that are instant, they're like glue. They have the sodium silicate and they shrink wrap. It's basically you're putting shrink wrap under
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your eye like the viral Peter Thomas Roth. I haven't used that.
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They all do the same thing.
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They have sodium silicate film on there.
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It's a quick fix. Yeah, but it's a Cinderella effect. You're turning back into a pumpkin.
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Yeah.
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Midnight it puffs back.
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So you guys know I love a good retinol. It is the gold standard for anti aging. But sometimes just people cannot get their skin to get used to it. So what I tell my patients is try retinal. Medicaid has a really good retinol. Retinol tends to be a little bit more gentle for those that have a little bit sensitive skin or like nervous to start a good retinol. And it's just a really good starting base that does not irritate your skin. And they have like different phases too. So you can start with the lowest and then go up higher. So that is one that I love. So you can still be on a retinoid but without the irritation. I often see patients in my practice asking what they can do at home to treat fine lines and wrinkles. And I always love to recommend using Medicaid Liquid Peptides Advanced MP Face Serum. This is literally the serum that delivers clinically proven wrinkle reduction thanks to GF mini protein which is great growth factor. Medicaid's Liquid Peptides Advanced MP Face serum is powered by the GF mini protein which mimics the function of natural growth factors but penetrates deep into the skin to visibly improve the appearance of skin structure over time. Medicaid was founded by two scientist brothers 15 years ago on a mission to simplify the route to great skin. All Medicaid products undergo clinical testing and have amazing before and after results. It's dermatologist recommended. Medicaid creates everything in house in their lab located just outside London. Following strict EU guidelines, I recommend Medicaid's Liquid Peptides Advanced MP Serum for any of my patients looking for visible wrinkle reduction. I also love their retinal. You can find these products online at Medicaid US. That's M E D I K and the number 8 US use code DERMAPROOF for 20 off your order. So as a dermatologist and skin cancer surgeon, you guys know that SPF and sun protection is my number one. If you're doing all the things in my office but not using spf, we need to talk and I know it's
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really hard to find a sunscreen. It's so hard.
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Some of them are chalky, they leave a white cast, they break you out, they feel make you feel like super oily. And so LTMD is one of those sunscreens that I feel like they have so many different product brands. LTMD is just one of those SPF brands where they just work for most people. They have one for dry skin, irritated skin, people with acne, people with rosacea. They really do it all in their formulations so people don't feel like they're actually wearing sunscreen that they don't like. And that's what I love because I'm like people need to wear sunscreen they actually will use and they like. And LTMD is one of those products that I always recommend. LTMD is not only the number one dermatologist recommended and trusted professional sunscreen brand, but dermatologists use ELTA MD personally more than any other sunscreen brand and I can vouch for that. LTMD sunscreens are formulated with ingredients to help protect and correct UV damage across skin types and skin concerns. If you struggle with dry or dehydrated skin, you need to try ELTA MD UV daily hydration plus SPF 50 available in untinted and tinted version. And remember, you need to wear sunscreen 365 days a year. Visit www.altamd.com to shop and learn more. I love recommending Roc's new line smoothing two step peel pads as an at home alternative to a professional peel without the cost, the downtime or the irritation. It's a two minute treatment. Dermatologist developed Delivering the results of a facial at home. In a clinical study, 90% had five visible signs of aging reduced in just one use. Lines, wrinkles, rough texture, uneven skin tone and dullness. Skin age was visibly reduced by five years. It's a true two step system. Step one is a peel with five gentle resurfacing, Glycolic, lactic, mandelic, phytic and gluconolactone. Professional surface Pepeels can run $500 and deeper. Peels up to $3,000. This is an at home version for under $30 available on Amazon. ROC has received over 180 awards and have partnered with leading dermatologists. Visit www.rockskincare.com for more information. What's the one thing dermatologists probably overemphasize
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A
that makeup can actually solve? So something that we do. So I'll tell you mine.
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C
Okay, tell me.
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A
I have patients coming in young ones and they're like I just want more height. More height with my lips. More height with my lips. You know they have, maybe they got filler somewhere else or with me. And we, we can't do any more filler. At least not that session. Because at that your lip filler can only hold. Your lips can only hold so much filler.
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C
Yeah.
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B
If you're a responsible.
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A
Exactly. And so practitioner. Yeah, we don't, yeah, exactly. Like we don't want my great. My worse. Like I will not migrate people. And there's a certain point where I have to be like if we do that, it's going to migrate.
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B
Split the lid. The size or can it also like
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A
it's going to split the lid? No, but it can bubble. It can bubble and it looks really bad. So when I tell my, my girlies or sometimes the guys, I'm like over line. Yeah, over line. It is just such a nice little fix where we don't have to worry about your lip filler migrating. Of course we will get you the nice plump, the nice crisp border. But just a little over lining I think is so easy to do without that risk and it's cheaper. What is yours like, what do you think that like you see on the Internet all these people are getting all this like plastic surgery or cosmetic treatments where you're like, you know what, you
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C
could just do a little makeup and that'll kind of like fix that.
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B
I think like definitely the lip.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Because everyone's like overfill the lip and I feel like there's lip contour now is a really great technique. Or you can do just like, you know you do a little sheer pop over the lip. Like Merit has those sheer sticks that they don't look like super psycho. I think people are scared that they go, well, I'll do a video of over lining the lip. Like, but in person you look nuts. I'm like, no, I don't. I wear this every day. Like it doesn't look nuts in person, it just is. And I think there's a part of the lip that still doesn't have color, but it still has like lip flesh, if you will.
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Yeah.
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B
That people are scared to line a little over. You can. Yeah. But just here and here. Yeah. Not here.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And just like over pop the lip. I agree. And then also I think like the tear trough filler. I think if you have a little bit of a bag and you're like running to do something, you can. I always have a bag, I lean down and I just pop a little brightener under my bag to like pull the look out.
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Yeah.
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So I think like the tear trough filler, I feel like takes the left turn. I've tried it years ago. It looked like a sausage under my eye. I had to get it dissolved.
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A
Yeah, A lot of people do. I'm in like my thing is under eye filler and like eye bags. Like I laser. Yes.
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B
I'll be here soon.
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A
I'm telling you.
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B
You've got to know you've got to dry bags. Right. Because you ever see that when it' overfilled and then it's like terrible. I staggered like a lump.
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A
Oh my gosh. It's the worst. And it's the type of filler residual
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B
amount that I has to still dissolve. I just don't have time. And that's from like 10 years ago.
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A
Yeah. It doesn't go away on its own. I see people with that all the time. So that's the tricky one. Like the under eye. So I would say like don't be so quick to do under eye filler. And if you're do your research, someone if a dermatologist a good. Like sometimes I'll tell you my tell my patients, like under eye filler is not going to fix that. You know, especially like dark circles if
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C
they don't have hollowness.
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A
Like filler is not going to really. We got to like help brighten the skin. Exactly. Or sometimes I'll do a little. Or yes, some.
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C
A little.
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A
Sometimes I'll do a little like stem cell, like PRF and inject that in and that'll kind of help brighten a little bit. But sometimes it's a skin issue and not a filler issue.
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B
Or it's also like just hereditary, right? Hereditary. Yeah, yeah, some people just have hereditary darker under eyes. You just need a good, like color corrector. Yeah, you really need a good color corrector. Yeah, that's another one too. It's like just a good color corrector.
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A
Yeah, absolutely. At what point can makeup just not fix that issue? And you're like, maybe you should. Doesn't even need to be like plastic surgery. But you're like, maybe a little bit of like laser on your under eye will help with that. Or a little like laser tightening.
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B
Like what is that? Like thermage, like the tightening situation.
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A
Yeah, exactly. Thermage is radio frequency. Ultherapy is. I'm a, I'm a radio frequency girl. Like, I. We have therapy, three devices in my office running all day. That's what I do on my.
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B
Is that a radio frequency.
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A
That's radio frequency without needles. Yeah. How'd you like that?
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B
I don't know. I think it, I think it.
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A
You see the immediate because.
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B
But then it's like melted again. At first I was like, I look 12. And then I was like, now I'm 900 next week. I was like, why am I 900?
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A
Yeah.
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B
But then allegedly, it's supposed to like over time as well.
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A
Yeah. The heat, that's the thing.
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B
Instantly I was like, yes, I know.
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A
That's why you see those before and after. It's like, yes, that's right after. Because that heat, it is heat based radio frequency. And it, and it, it, it contracts that like collagen fiber. It contracts the skin immediately. So that's why I love that treatment. And I do a very similar one
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B
for an event almost before an event.
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A
So I'll do it for my patients on the red carpet. For the under eyes or the jowls. It's like forma. Yeah. It's same radio frequency. It's a wand. And they'll just come in for this. We even call like a form of facial.
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B
Wow.
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A
But yeah, it's essentially what Zerf is, a little bit more like a treatment. I think you're like a little more pink afterwards. It's not completely painless in some areas. It. It's kind of expensive too. Yeah. So I don't know. The verdict is still out, I think for Zerf. It's so new here in the US That. Let's see.
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B
Yeah, I know. I'll let you know. I just did it like a month ago.
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A
Yeah. Give me post.
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B
I'll see if anything Gets better.
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A
Yeah. Yeah. So what do you think it, like, is it more of a skin quality or fine lines? Like, what do you think where you're like, okay, makeup.
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B
Like, okay, if you've got, like, very textural skin, old scarring to your skin.
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A
Yeah.
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B
From acne scarring. Or that you need laser. You know, the filler things. Like stuff like topically, makeup is not going to literally sit well.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So I think that's where you need more of a laser treatment, for sure. And then when your under eyes are, like, really bagalicious.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Like, there's only so much I can under eye contour if the bag is like that serious of a bag. And then you have to. You need a little bit more help, whether it's a blepharoplasty or like you
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A
said, lasers, laser tightening. Yeah.
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B
Yeah. You don't even really go under the needle. You can laser tighten the under.
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A
Yeah, exactly. Like, if someone has, like, huge bags, then, yeah. Surgical is the treatment, but some people don't want surgery. So what we can do is to strengthen that skin, kind of like, hopefully like, pop that swelling, you know, have that strength.
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B
Right. The muscles are weak, so it's like either you fall in or you pop out.
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A
Exactly. So if we strengthen that skin, it'll kind of like push in some of that swelling. People especially see. Yeah, that's a really good point. On the. On the under eyes, under eye and skin texture.
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B
Like, makeup can't really.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Handle that.
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A
And that's why it's. Yeah. It's so important to. To be aware of all those things,
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C
because I know your book.
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A
You do talk about the makeup facelift, which you can absolutely use makeup to give that, like, facelift result. You've been really viral about your. Again, like, your placement, your V, where. And I feel like everything that you talked about, I've been, like, a victim of, which is like putting my contour. I used to actually. Actually use contour as my. My bronzer. So it was like, not the cool brown, but it was like the. The warm brown.
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B
I still like a warm. I just feel like I don't mind that because I feel like if your skin is warm, so is your contour. Your contour doesn't change shadows.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So it's like, it's. Your contour doesn't change your shadow doesn't change skin tones.
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A
Yeah, right.
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B
So sometimes I'm like. But if your skin is warm, because I was an artist, I painted, so it's like your contour is also going to be warm.
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A
That's Right. You don't like the muddy brown.
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B
I don't. If you're cool, your contour will be cool.
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A
Yeah.
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C
What am I? Am I cool?
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I don't even know.
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B
You're new. You're pretty neutral. I think you would probably even range towards olive, which can almost be mistaken with cool.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So I would do. Yeah. Things will pull orange on you.
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A
Yeah, for sure they do. When I get my makeup done.
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B
Ooh. Yeah.
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A
They want to. They want. You have to go with a little bit of orange. You do have to use a little
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B
bit of a cooler contour, where if I did a cooler, I look like I died.
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A
Yeah.
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Like I need the warmth.
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Yeah.
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It really.
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B
Auto cadaver.
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C
What an.
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A
What an art. Can you talk us through? Also, I love talking about this, but you probably know it way better. It's like the color correcting. So it's like opposite on a color wheel. Is that correct? Is that accurate?
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B
It is. It is. So color correction. So the color wheel, the opposites will either enhance each other next to each other or hide each other and neutralize on top. So think like Christmas. Or if you have somebody with green eyes and they cry when their eyes get red, they look very green because red will enhance green when it's next to it, they pop each other. But when they're blend, they neutralize. So they do cut and it works. Color theory works. But I feel like sometimes it's just out of control sometimes with the color theory right now, people put all blue and colors on their face. Like, if you have to put blue in your foundation to make it work, please get another foundation.
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Yeah.
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It's not your color.
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A
Yeah.
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B
If I have to mix orange in or, you know, doing like a Lion King theatrical production to get my foundation to work, there's enough foundations on the market that you can just find one that matches.
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A
Got it. Yes. You don't need to go in with the whole thing.
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B
No. It's necessary for dark spots. It's necessary. Necessary for scarring, it's necessary for tattoo covering, and it's necessary for under eye issues.
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A
Yes.
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B
But not every under eye issue needs a corrector.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Like, unless you really have a certain. Like, I don't need corrector under my eye. I like it to just pull out hollows.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Like, I don't have darkness under my eye. So if you don't have a lot of darkness, you don't need it skin.
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A
Yeah. Plus the hollows are probably the shadows anyway.
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B
And you're good to put more product on for nothing. But if you do have, like, hereditary darkness. One thing more like blue, brown.
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A
Tell me what. Yeah, so browns. What would you do? Like, reddish, like orange.
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B
An orange red. We used to do back in the day, like, an orange lipstick called Moran from Mac. Remember that? We used to use an orange lipstick.
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A
Yes.
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B
You want to do more of a red orange, but like a touch.
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A
Yes.
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B
And then your regular concealer right over it.
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A
Yeah. I think people always went a little crazy with that. Once I have this one, I'm like, literally, orange rings.
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B
Because my, like, the touch.
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A
This is when I shouldn't be doing what my makeup artist tells me.
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B
Your corrector should.
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A
Like, you have this, but I didn't
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B
tell you to use the whole thing.
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A
Yeah, I know. I literally have, like, orange rings. So then purple is that same, like, purple. Brown is like, kind of the little
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B
bit of the typical under eye is going to be a range. And I always see makeup artists, like, cover their eye and say, I have dark under eye circle, and they're using a gray pencil. And I'm like, you're on. No one's under eye is gray. Like, this is just. It's going to be, you know, this.
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Yeah.
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B
Like a brown, red, green, blue.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Most common is gonna be, like, brown, purple, blue.
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A
Right. Blood vessels.
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B
Blood vessels, Exactly. Whatever your blood vessels are. Right.
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A
Yeah. Yeah.
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B
So that's gonna be a peach on a fair skin and a darker peach on a deeper skin. Like, if you're a super purple under eye, yellow will cut it, but if you're purple blue, the yellow is now gonna turn green.
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Yeah.
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B
So you're just safer with a peachier to, like, orange tone.
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A
Yeah. And I noticed after my little ring eye incident, I just realized, like. And I know you love bombs, and I'm gonna talk about some of your favorites, but. And you like this one, too is the rock. The orange balm. The vitamin C balm. It has, like, this little orange tint to it.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Which I love. Before that, I used to use the Ola Hendrix. Like the. Yeah, it's like an orange cream.
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B
Right. Perfect. The brightener.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Under eye. And it's fun. Those were. It's funny because. So I've sold out of the Rock eyeball, like, virally.
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A
They're one of the partners, actually, at the show. I love rock.
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B
I was kind of known for that eye bomb, and. And I also sold out of, I think, the Olay Hendrickson one. I had done a video and then so the balm. I love those, but I wanted to make a clean version as well.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Which is What I teamed with doll 10.
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A
Okay.
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B
That does clean beauty. So I did the balm. Think of, like, idea of the rock eye bomb. I love. I've always liked that because I just think you need a quick eyeball and a quick fix. It is still my drugstore. Go to.
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C
Yes.
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B
I'm still like, if you're in the drugstore, your eyes crease in. You go get that run to.
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A
So, so affordable.
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B
The one I made was a little more correct in correcting in it.
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A
Okay. Okay.
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B
So it's like infused with corrector, but it's all clean, vegan, cruelty free. It has caffeine, it has nia tranxemic acid. Love tranexamic acid. It has. They did the nad. I don't know.
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A
Sure. But I mean, I love nad. We know it works like internally. And I think that it has to do something on the skin.
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B
It has to do something topically.
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A
It has to do. It's nicotinamide, niacinamide. Like, it has to do something on the skin.
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B
And again, I'm not a product developer like that. But my, my must haves. My non negotiable were ceramides, Squalane, caffeine, tranexamic acid. Because that treats as you wear it.
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A
It's a treatment from Lasma.
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B
So those were like my non negotiables. Like it had to have lipids slip and then a little bit of a color correcting, blurring in it too.
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C
Okay.
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B
But also clean, cruelty free.
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A
Love the color correcting. Is it in that, like, pink, like, orange range?
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B
There's two. One is just a pinky shimmery brightener, but they're so sheer. Like, even if you have a really deep skin tone, you can still do the like the first shade.
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A
Got it.
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B
It's more just like a diffuser, optical diffuser more than a corrector. The second is more peach orange for either very dark under eye or deeper skin tones. But if I ever had the other one, I'll put the peach orange one and just slop my concealer over it.
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A
Yeah. So like a highlight does well, like you said.
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B
Yes. I have it on now and you can put it right over your concealer without breaking my eye.
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A
That's amazing. We were just talking about that. Like, you look and you were like, I've been out. I'm so dehydrated.
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B
I'm so dehydrated. I'm so bad at adulting. I am really irresponsible. I am. Like, the fact that I have three kids. My husband calls me the fourth Kid.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Like, this is me.
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A
I'm like, well, you look amazing.
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B
And that's. I have that under eye. But, you know, I just think a balm in general makes a major difference when your skin gets dry because that area doesn't have natural moisture. It doesn't have. What is it? Sebaceous glands. Yeah. It's not there. Like the neck.
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A
Yeah.
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B
The situation.
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A
Yeah.
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B
The back of the hands.
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A
Got it. So that is. Run me through. Like if someone has their problem areas, the under eye. Say they have the trio. Right. They have fine lines, they have puffiness, they have crepey skin, and they have dark circles. Okay, run me through what you're going to do. The things.
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B
First thing, you're going to start with a caffeine eye serum. Because you got to handle the puffiness first.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Because everything looks worse when you're puffy.
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A
Got it.
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B
Then you're going to walk around the house, have your coffee slop on an eye mask.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Maybe some cold tools.
- [34:43]
A
Yeah. Oh, love a cold tool.
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B
The way I used to say is like when a boxer gets punched in the face, they swell and they take cold steel to get the swelling down. It works. It does works under your eye too. It's science. So go do something cold. Cry out. Sometimes I'll even like just put my face into like an ice bucket.
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A
Let's do that.
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B
When I'm desperate, I'm like, you know what? This is a real celebrities do that. Yeah. And it works. It helps.
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A
Yeah. Yeah.
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B
I was going on a QVC one time and I looked like I was 3,000 because I was scared in my hotel. It was like a really creepy hotel and I couldn't sleep. In the morning, I just up my face and I wake up, I fucking. I looked great. So. But serum eye mask.
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A
Got it.
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B
Do your business. Then when you come back now, you're gonna prep with either your favorite eye cream. I use eyeball. More like a prep. Right before the concealer.
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A
Got it. Important to know, okay, your eyeball is
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B
gonna be fresh right before concealer or correction.
- [35:28]
A
Got it.
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B
So this way when you put it on, it's not gonna seep into the lines. So you're gonna do an eyeball. You know, whatever eyeball you use.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Then you're gonna do your corrector only in the areas that need correcting. Like you said you had the whole
- [35:39]
A
like concealer or this is the corrector.
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B
If you have the dark. Cause now you got the dark too.
- [35:42]
A
Yes, you're right.
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B
If you got the dark, you're correcting. So like, if you're puffy, usually your dark is under the bag.
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A
Yeah.
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B
But if your dark is in the inner corners, you cover that wherever the dark is, only then your concealer right over it.
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A
Got it.
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B
And I don't set with powder. I'd prefer to set with a setting spray.
- [35:58]
A
I saw that. Yeah. Good to know.
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B
And if you have to touch up. Touch up. Better touch up than looking like a cadaver.
- [36:04]
A
Yeah. How much of the concealer are we actually using?
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B
Not a lot.
- [36:06]
A
Okay.
- [36:07]
B
So much less than you think.
- [36:08]
A
Yeah.
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B
And like you said, warm it up on your hand, take it with the brush first and then press it on. Or even put a setting spray on your brush, pick it up and then put it on.
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A
What does the setting spray do?
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B
It just locks it in. Oh. Because if it's a good setting spray, it has a PVP film former.
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A
Okay.
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B
So it will actually help to film a form.
- [36:24]
A
Got it.
- [36:25]
B
That prevents your makeup.
- [36:26]
A
Set it in, lock it in instead of doing it right after.
- [36:28]
B
Yeah. Not you can do it with a serum spray, but if you want like, almost like a one size powder melt.
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A
Yeah.
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B
It has the film former. It's a PvP.
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A
I think I used that. The one size brand.
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B
Yes.
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Yeah.
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B
But not the aerosol one.
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A
Oh, I have that on too.
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B
Okay, that's fine. That's your double. That could be. Yes. You powder melt.
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A
I love a good matte.
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B
You powder melt and then you.
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A
I guess so that's your coffee. I thought it was baking, but is that what that kind of is?
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B
Baking is if you put a whole ton of powder on and then leave it there.
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A
Yeah, I think I did that. Yeah.
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B
But you have.
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A
Do I look like it?
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B
You don't look baked. No, no. You also have like, she has flawless under eyes. Like I'm saying, if anyone's looking, your under eyes are flawless. So you can get away with it.
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A
Yeah, yeah.
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B
But like anyone that has a texture under the eye, if they bake, it's going to look like.
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A
Yeah, Yeah. I really work on my under eyes. So I do. I do radio frequency. I got microneedling. So I. That truly tightens the skin and it helps that festoon this little line.
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B
I'm getting a fest. Yeah, I'm festooning. I've noticed that recently. My new thing, I was like, what?
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A
That pad that's descending down.
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B
Oh, my God.
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A
I was gonna fix that. I mean, you can, you can conceal
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B
it in the mirror one morning and I was like, it's a festoon.
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A
I know. It's the Worst sounding word. I'm gonna be fever. It's only 50.
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B
I'm like, I'm sorry. Seen these.
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A
But you look amazing. Okay.
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B
Denial.
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A
Yeah. But what can really help with that without filler is going to help re.
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B
Listen, I'm going to feel the festoon volume.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I'm going tell you that I'm not scared.
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A
Very little bit. Like, I'm talking like a quarter syringe
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B
feeling if I'm festooning.
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A
But I like to tighten the skin first because we want that, we want that skin tight so then that filler can kind of stay. It's not going to like migrate down. But I like to kind of just like have good healthy skin. So my protocol, like, if you came to me, I would do, first of all, skincare. You're good. So we would talk about skincare first, all of that. And then I would say radio frequency microneedling. I personally love Morpheus. If done correctly, it's really great for the under eye area, very superficially, to help strengthen that skin because we need tight skin and it really is nice for that festoon.
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B
Yeah. I was horrified. I was like, what in the festoon is happening here?
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A
Exactly. And then I'll go in with like a quarter syringe, a little pop. I go in with the cannula, one tiny introduction point into the fat pad. So we're not going really superficial. So it's not going to ball up like it used to. But I'm also not going down to the bone. So it's not going to like. Like when people take filler down to the bone and really deep, it is obstructing that lymphatic flow, you know, and
- [38:43]
B
that's when it gets. That's what happened when I did the under eye filler. And then when I was puffy, my under eye, it was like holding all this moisture. I looked like a monster. It was a disaster.
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A
That's what happens. That's literally what happens. So you have to go in like the middle. You have to go where the fat pad is. So a little pop of filler there and then.
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B
I know what you're doing.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You got to know you're doing.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Because you can do a lot of things wrong.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Know what you're doing there.
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A
Yeah. And then I'll go in with a little like that prf, that stem cell and just help rejuvenate. Kind of heals the under eye.
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B
I'm coming. So I'm getting. I saw easy. I saw. I saw the festoon make its face Just like two weeks ago.
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A
I know.
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B
I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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A
And that's like, literally. You cannot do any. It's like literally a line.
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B
I'm going to make my appointment right before I go.
- [39:26]
A
You come in literally anytime.
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C
I'm happy to see you.
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A
One of your chapters in your book. And I love that you say this because I talk about it to my patients all the time.
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C
The resting bee face. Yes.
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A
So you tell. So I'm going to say my.
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C
What my tip is, and then I
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A
want you to say what your tip is.
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C
So my tip for resting bee face.
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A
And that is basically like people who
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C
are not sad or mad or bee,
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A
but they just look really like. Like this, like, really turned down. The corners of the mouth are turned down. So there's a muscle there called the daos. And I usually do like. I did mine as well. I'm pretty toxed up right now, which I tend to go really natural, but
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B
for me, you look natural.
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A
Yeah, I. I get very natural.
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B
You look natural.
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A
Thank you.
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C
But I. I'm.
- [40:04]
A
I'm like. Just had this baby, so I'm like, let me just.
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B
Yeah, you finally can. Because you couldn't.
- [40:08]
A
Yes, exactly. And then like after breastfeeding, I. You know, it's like a lot.
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B
So now you finally, like. Yeah, yeah, you finally can.
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A
So I do two. About a couple units, usually two and two. Where that dao muscle is. That pulls down and then it releases it and pulls it up. So that is the resting B face Botox treatment. And it's just a couple units. And you just gotta make sure. This is where people, when they go to a med spa or somewhere really bad, there is another muscle next to it called the DLI muscle. Some people will accidentally hit that muscle because they overlap and then you're gonna have a crooked smile.
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B
I had that. Yeah, I had that so bad.
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A
Stop.
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B
And I First I thought I was like having like a stroke or something. I was on my way to do like a podcast, and this is a few years ago, and all of a sudden in the bathroom, I go to smile.
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A
Like, yeah, yeah. The worst.
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B
And then it happened again.
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A
Stop.
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B
So bad. I was doing a campaign and they're like, smile. And I'm like, stop it.
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A
I'm dead.
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B
So bad.
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A
And it lasts how long? Like at least a month and a half.
- [41:05]
B
Yeah, it was like a month.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And another really scary thing that happened when I got, like, injected here. I feel like I had trouble swallowing.
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A
Yes.
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B
See, I'm not messing with that right Now I'm telling you, I almost choked to death on my wine. No, I'll keep. I'll. I'd rather have a line is such
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A
an important thing that you brought up. So I love the Nefertitude. Like, I have a lot of talks in my. In my neck, but I'm not. I'm. I'm not.
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B
I'm.
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A
I'm saying like 20, 25 years.
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B
I think I was over talks.
- [41:32]
A
Some people are doing like 60.
- [41:33]
B
It was over. Yeah, a ton. It was too much.
- [41:35]
A
And those. That's your neck muscle. So I love the Nefertiti lift. That's what, you know, Erica's talking about. Is that muscle platysma. Muscle us. We're on our phone. Exactly. This little guy. So platysmal muscle goes all the way up to kind of here. So then when you do some talks here, it'll help sharpen the jawline, help with the jowls, give a little bit of, like, fullness in the upper face, actually. But it is your neck muscle, so if you do too much, if you go too deep, you go too deep.
- [42:01]
C
It. It will.
- [42:03]
A
You can't lift your head, especially in Pilates or yoga. Like, you'll notice that. And then you can have problems like swallowing.
- [42:08]
B
Yeah, I feel like I did.
- [42:09]
A
I was like, no, it's not. Was not in your head. Like, that has happened actually, to some. A derm. That. I know that she did her talks and then she kind of retouched herself before the two week mark when it was fully kicked in. And she was like, I was choking on my food.
- [42:23]
B
She overdid. Yeah, I was like, one. I was trying to swallow one to take a pill, and I was like, why is. Unless I took a sip of water. Yeah, it's like my. I was. Did I forget how to swallow? Yeah.
- [42:32]
A
Oh, my gosh.
- [42:32]
B
It was scary. That was scary.
- [42:33]
A
Yeah. Well, I'm glad that's just temporary. But, yeah, Botox is no joke.
- [42:37]
B
You got to go to the right person. You got to research, man. You can't play around.
- [42:40]
A
Yeah. Like, a lot of people love the. And I do it for my patients, too. Like the Barbie talks, like into the traps here to elongate the neck.
- [42:47]
B
Oh, I got a short neck.
- [42:49]
A
Oh, yeah. Love that. I love it. But if you go to someone that doesn't know what they're doing, you can puncture the lung because the lung literally comes up into the trap. Especially if someone's like, super thin and they have. Just based on their anatomy. I know this stuff.
- [43:03]
B
Like, yeah, you gotta know. You gotta do your research.
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A
Doing.
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B
Yeah, that's crazy.
- [43:07]
C
For sure.
- [43:07]
B
Oh, and the makeup for the resting B face.
- [43:09]
A
Oh, yes. Thank you.
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B
So that would be like. I do a little bit of a corrector in here. Okay. Get rid of the shadows.
- [43:17]
A
Yes.
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B
So if you're getting a little bit of the marionette situation, you can, like, fake the funk by just doing a little bit of a brightener to pull the shadows out, just, like, under the eye. Same thing I do a little even on myself when I do my makeup. I go here, here, here, and I brighten this area just to pull it back. Forward.
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A
Highlight is forward, contour in goes back.
- [43:35]
B
So anything you want to, like, bring dimension back, I lighten it up. And then my biggest tip that I went viral for also years ago was not lining the lip to the corners.
- [43:42]
A
Yes.
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B
Because how many times I would see women in the store, and it's like, they're.
- [43:45]
A
Oh, my gosh.
- [43:46]
B
So I get that lip liner out of there. Focus here, not here. Put the focus here. And it's always like, with makeup, you can manipulate someone's eye where you want it to go.
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A
Yes.
- [43:57]
B
Just, like, your eyeliner is going this way, so. So is your whole eye, right?
- [44:01]
A
Yes.
- [44:02]
B
So it's like, you know, just, you know, it's like. Like shadow manipulation.
- [44:05]
A
Well, tell me what you did today, because you look so radiant.
- [44:08]
B
I love a glow show. And it didn't come out of the bottle of champagne that I drank. I'm like, oh. So I woke up, like, oops.
- [44:16]
A
Yeah.
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B
So I started. Okay. I exfoliated.
- [44:19]
A
Okay. With. Tell me what.
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B
I did the Wise Beauty Pants this morning. I exfoliate with those because she makes really good travel ones. Travel packet. When I do my skincare sometimes, it's not always what I use all the time, but it's great travel stuff.
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A
Same. Yeah.
- [44:32]
B
So my travel stuff is different than my regular stuff. But what I have on today is I have on that, and then I have my glow serum.
- [44:37]
A
Got it.
- [44:38]
B
The let's Glow with doll 10. I did the let's Glow Serum, and then I did the Wise Beauty Glowy spf.
- [44:45]
A
Okay. Is it the pink, like the.
- [44:47]
B
It's just. It's an SPF 30 with, like, a shimmer. Like a little shimmer.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Then I did the IT cosmetics. The CC Nude Glow.
- [44:56]
A
Okay.
- [44:56]
B
With spf, but also the label. The one. The CC Nude Glow. When I travel, I like that because it is a spf. It's a one white top, and it's more beige.
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A
Okay.
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B
So I did that. Then I did a Sarah Creole corrector. The hollows got it pulled out. The hollows. And I think I set. Because it's great for travel, too, with the Givenchy. Ooh, powder.
- [45:20]
A
Okay. Oh, that. People love that one.
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B
And rare beauty blush. Because she makes the little tiny ones. I love those. And they stay all day.
- [45:25]
C
That's small.
- [45:26]
B
She makes. Whenever they have little travel sets. They're so tiny, and I just get them every time, and I just keep them in my bag.
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C
Liquid.
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B
Yeah, they make a tiny. I did a little dot, like, this big. No, I throw it in my makeup bag. I did a dot of the blush and a dot of the highlighter. Yeah. Slop it together.
- [45:40]
A
I love her Illumina. Like, illuminator. Yeah.
- [45:44]
B
The highlighters. The liquid highlighters. And I mix it right with the blush. I do a dot and a dot and slop it together. That's why it's, like, glowy right here.
- [45:49]
A
It's pretty. It's really pretty.
- [45:51]
B
And it's not necessarily my everyday stuff, but that's my travel look.
- [45:53]
A
Yeah, no, it looks really good for that.
- [45:55]
C
Ooh.
- [45:56]
A
Okay, so this is something that I think my viewers will really like is your, like, SOS if you have a client with these certain derm problems, like, what do you do to cover it up with makeup? So, number one, a big, giant, juicy pimple. What'd you do?
- [46:11]
B
I mean, does it have a white head? Because you gotta get that.
- [46:15]
A
No, no, whitehead. Just big red 3D.
- [46:21]
B
You gotta go in with matte. And you can't make it too light, because if you make it too light, you're highlighting.
- [46:26]
A
Oh, that's your pimple today.
- [46:28]
C
Yeah.
- [46:28]
B
You're putting a spotlight.
- [46:29]
A
Let's just.
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B
I don't see it, though. I don't see. Yeah, no, you did fine.
- [46:32]
A
I think I went in there with my, like, bronzer on top.
- [46:34]
B
Well, yeah, you bronzed on top. You made it dark again. Yeah, you gotta deepen it up again. It can't look because if you're highlighting it. If you're.
- [46:40]
A
Yeah.
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B
Yes.
- [46:40]
A
You're popping it out.
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B
Yeah.
- [46:42]
A
What the heck?
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B
Gotta be matte and a little bit, like, take your bronzer over it.
- [46:45]
A
Okay, Got it. So no crazy things that you need to do on top. Yeah, I know. It films. You know, there's like, Rihanna has this, like, feel. I'd have never used it, but it's like, a little.
- [46:55]
B
You just need a real good, thick matte concealer. Almost like that. Nars in the pot.
- [47:00]
A
Okay.
- [47:00]
B
You just need, like. Oh, yeah. Shape Tape will do with the original. I would never do that under my eyes.
- [47:05]
A
I know I've been doing that until I heard you in your podcast. I don't remember. I think it was with Kirby Los Angeles. You were like, I hate shape tape. Or no, you didn't say that. You were like, at some, at certain point in your life, it is just too much.
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B
I also love the coast, but it's good for covering. But I always say any of those. I love the Kosis under eye. They did good with that. Their correctors are great too. Oh, they did really good with that. I feel like I. I alternate between that and Sarah Creel and correctors. They're both really good.
- [47:30]
A
I need to try the seroqueal stuff, so. Okay, that's the pimple. What about someone having like, flaky eczema?
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B
Well, you know, you can't exfoliate, so I mean, can you like. I would say I'll ask you if you could even do this, but typically I would say just to kind of get like a muslin kind of cloth or like, and try to like get rid of any of the real bad flakes. Right. And then you're going to need to use something like the it cosmetics CC cream.
- [47:53]
A
Okay.
- [47:54]
B
Because it has squalane hydrate.
- [47:56]
A
You got to hydrate that Flake doll
- [47:58]
B
10 like their TCE. It has like full of skin care. But what's. You gotta look for something that's gonna have squalane and like a really emollient. So no mat, no mat, no matte. No, because as soon as you put matte on anything flaky, it's like done, done.
- [48:11]
C
Zo's done.
- [48:12]
A
And then would you color correct if someone had like rosacea, A really, like
- [48:16]
B
a really hydrating, like.
- [48:18]
A
Okay.
- [48:18]
B
Rich cream too first. And like.
- [48:20]
A
Oh, for sure.
- [48:21]
B
I'd like press it on.
- [48:22]
A
Yeah.
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B
And so I wouldn't like irritate anything. Just kind of like.
- [48:26]
A
Yeah, like literally, like keep it at bay.
- [48:27]
B
Yeah, like keep it at bay. You don't want to flare up any of the dryness.
- [48:30]
A
Yeah. I have really sensitive skin and I'm acne prone. So I'm like all the dermtips. I'm like writing notes and some of
- [48:35]
B
those like, you know, Dr. Jart has like that great, like rosacea that the. The kind of green things that help the redness.
- [48:42]
A
Okay, cool. Love that.
- [48:45]
B
Like this. I'm like, you got this.
- [48:46]
A
You got to put it down. What's the biggest waste of money in makeup right now? And then number two, what's the most affordable product or technique that consistently outpour outperforms luxury. So what's a big waste of money? And then what is one affordable thing? Like what, what is the affordable thing that like, outperforms anything? Luxury.
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B
Affordable thing that outperforms anything? Luxury. I would say the Anua PDRN cream for like $20.
- [49:16]
A
Yeah. I love PDRN.
- [49:17]
B
It is a great, great under makeup prep. And they do like, I have professional makeup artist friends that have switched to that.
- [49:26]
A
Yeah.
- [49:27]
B
In their kit especially. It's like $22. Sometimes they have sales. So that PRN cream definitely outperforms a lot of expensive creams.
- [49:35]
A
What's one eyeliner trick? Every woman over 40 should know to
- [49:39]
B
line the root of your lash because your lashes are thinner and you're losing definition to your eyes. In general, we look more tired. And if your eye is hooded, too much liner on top will transfer. So go in there and line the root of your lash.
- [49:50]
A
Is black liner still okay for mature women?
- [49:53]
B
It is if your complexion suits it. If you're like a fair blonde with blonde lashes and the only thing you choose to wear is black liner, you're going to look psycho.
- [50:02]
A
Yeah.
- [50:03]
B
So, like, if you have dark eyes, you have dark eyes. I have dark eyes. Black liners. Fine.
- [50:06]
A
You can do that.
- [50:07]
B
I feel like it's case by case, but it does take a left turn and I feel in general swap for like a rich brown.
- [50:13]
A
Yeah, yeah. What's your favorite mascara placement trick for opening up the eyes?
- [50:17]
B
You gotta. You know, back in the day we would do the eyes out, but if you have to open the eye, you gotta go up.
- [50:22]
A
Gotta go up.
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B
Because especially a hooded eye, you have to open this way, not this way. So going under the root of the lash, wiggling from the base, a very small brush, like a l' oreal telescopic, like a little situation. And get under there. Wiggle from lash. Like think of it like an underwire bra. If you don't get under, they don't lift.
- [50:41]
A
Yeah.
- [50:42]
B
And straight up will open the eye instead of.
- [50:45]
A
Got it.
- [50:46]
B
People were focusing on this way to make them look longer. But we need this. Your liner can do this. Your lashes should do this. Then they're working like a team.
- [50:53]
A
Amazing. Well, we did a lot. I know. You have to catch a flight.
- [50:56]
B
Got it. Back to the east coast and you got a busy stuff going on. Practice all the things.
- [51:01]
A
Yes, yes, Babies. Life is licensing me whenever. Call me whenever you're in la. Yeah, I'll fix your.
- [51:08]
B
Horrified.
- [51:08]
A
You're so funny. Well, I think the people. Definitely. I mean, those were a lot of the. The questions that I had. Those were a lot of things that I feel like people are going to. Really? Really.
- [51:18]
B
And you can answer. You can look in my book too.
- [51:20]
A
Yes.
- [51:21]
B
So find all my. I gave you one.
- [51:23]
A
I know. Thank you.
- [51:24]
B
It's such a helpful guy.
- [51:26]
A
RBF pace our BF face hooded eyes
- [51:30]
B
Just like over the river through the hood all the things when the apple fell from the tree where the blush goes all the things.
- [51:35]
A
And you have to send me your. Your bomb.
- [51:37]
B
I did. It's here. It's here.
- [51:39]
A
Amazing.
- [51:39]
B
You have the balm. It's here.
- [51:41]
A
Perfect. I'm going to start using it because I need the caffeine and I need the balm under these wrinkly eyes.
- [51:46]
B
Well, no wrinkles here.
- [51:47]
A
Well, thanks again.
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C
Okay.
- [51:49]
B
Thank.