Joel Kinnaman – Reflecting on Mortality in ‘For All Mankind’ and L.A. Hiking Dates

Summary

Dinner’s On Me with Jesse Tyler Ferguson

Guest: Joel Kinnaman
Episode: Reflecting on Mortality in ‘For All Mankind’ and L.A. Hiking Dates
Date: May 5, 2026
Location: Crudo e Nudo, Santa Monica, CA

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Episode Overview

In this candid and lively episode, Jesse Tyler Ferguson shares dinner—and a revealing, often humorous conversation—with actor Joel Kinnaman. The discussion weaves through major themes of mortality and legacy, their respective acting journeys, the nuances of bilingual identity, Kinnaman’s unconventional family story, romantic misadventures, and his recent wedding at Burning Man. Peppered with stories from the sets of For All Mankind and Kinnaman’s latest Swedish project, plus relatable tales of LA dating, the episode offers a heartfelt exploration of what it means to age, love, and create.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Dining Experience & Setting

• [02:33] Jesse describes Crudo e Nudo’s ever-changing, chalkboard seafood menu, raving about the restaurant's local-sourced, beautifully plated offerings.
• The dinner atmosphere sets the tone for casual and intimate conversation, with both hosts reacting enthusiastically to dishes as they arrive:
  • "I love me some crudos." — Joel Kinnaman [06:57]

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"For All Mankind" & Mortality

Embodying Generations

• [07:51–09:43] Jesse confesses he’s recently become a fan of For All Mankind, starting from the beginning, and asks about the experience of aging a character over decades.
• Joel reflects deeply:
  • "It's that show is, like, really special to me… It is like the character that I've played for the longest amount of time…"
    — Joel Kinnaman [08:08]
  • "There's something really special about… being that [different ages]… and think about what that age does to you for that amount of time, for all those different eras of your life."
• On confronting mortality through acting:
  • "I think it's really healthy to, like, kind of keep your mortality at the front of your mind and just… not forget that we're all dying. Yeah, I mean, I really think it's one of the keys to, like, live a rich and full life."
    — Joel Kinnaman [02:09; repeated at 09:43]
• He describes how embodying old age changed him, sparking reflection about not letting dreams go unfulfilled.

Emotional Impact

• [11:12–12:36] Kinnaman reveals he’s finished with the show:
  • Spoiler alert: "I die in the next episode… It was so emotional shooting that… I was like crying my ass off… because I was on my deathbed, you know, saying goodbye to my grandson, my daughter."
• The overlap of his character’s age and that of his actual father made filming particularly poignant:
  • "For the last season, I was really, like, kind of studying my dad in a different way…"
    — Joel Kinnaman [10:19]

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Family History & Growing Up Multicultural

Joel’s Father: A Vietnam-Era Odyssey

• [16:44–20:37] Jesse prompts Joel to recount his father’s story—on which he has contemplated making a film.
• Remarkable Storytelling:
  • Joel’s American-born father dodged combat during Vietnam by deserting the US Army while stationed in Thailand, spent five years “on the run” in Laos, met Joel’s half-sister’s mother, and finally sought asylum in Sweden—the only Western country at the time that accepted deserters.
  • "He got drafted in the army. He got drafted while high on LSD …it was a turtle that showed up. To this day, he doesn't know if the turtle was real…" — Joel Kinnaman [18:13]
• On returning to the US:
  • "Jimmy Carter issued sort of partial amnesty... after that he was able to come back." [20:47]
• Joel says his father has a "conflicted for sure" relationship with America, while Joel himself found a second home here.

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Coming of Age: Texas Exchange Student, Early Trouble

Culture Shock & Teenage Antics

• [21:11–23:28] At 16, Joel spent a year as an exchange student in Texas—an experience he calls valuable for later playing American characters:
  • "High school is a much more defining thing in the US than it is in Europe."
• He describes being a rebellious teen: "As soon as I could get any drugs, I would take them… I probably was not like an easy kid to have as an exchange student." [22:42]
• Jesse laughs as Joel recounts an escapade with “Texas gangsters"—his first encounter with weed mixed with cocaine.

Path to Acting

• [24:08–25:37] Acting was not a childhood dream—Kinnaman followed high school friends into Sweden’s National Theatre School, earning a coveted spot after four attempts:
  • "In Sweden, we actually get paid to go to college… So there's like a real incentive to get educated." — Joel Kinnaman [25:18]

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Acting in Two Languages: Identity and Expression

Returning to Swedish

• [28:10–31:27] Jesse notes the tonal shift between Kinnaman’s English-language roles and his new Swedish show, Detective Hole. Kinnaman relished the return:
  • "Playing in Swedish, like, I have another gear… I realized while shooting that, like, with the language, I have a playfulness…"
• He and his wife—a fellow bilingual Swede—mix Swedish and English at home, sometimes in the same conversation.

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Romance, LA Dating, and a Burning Man Wedding

Sliding into DMs: Meeting His Wife

• [31:34–32:51] Joel sheepishly recounts pursuing his wife through Instagram DMs:
  • "It took me seven months to get a date…. The things that I was suggesting to her... embarrassing, you know… 'Hey, want to come to my hotel bar at 11pm?'"
• The real turning point: a classic “LA hiking date”:
  • “...we went for a hike in LA when she was here visiting. It’s great. You’re out, it doesn’t become so obvious that you’re trying to smash, you know…” [32:48]

Burning Man Wedding

• [33:26–35:39] The couple married at Burning Man, blending diverse traditions brought by guests from around the world:
  • "Everyone that was coming… we asked all of our friends to… maybe bring a tradition from their culture… We had this Persian ceremony… a friend from Thailand did a Buddhist tradition with a conch shell…”
• Light-hearted moment: The “intentions plant” from the wedding ceremony isn’t doing so well:
  • “Yeah, I think we just killed that plant, by the way. It’s not doing good.” [35:16]

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Career Aspirations & Reflections on Set Culture

What’s Next?

• [36:18–37:16] Post-For All Mankind, Kinnaman is seeking to do more comedy:
  • “I do want to do more comedy… that’s actually where I want to focus. I really enjoy it." [36:34]
• He’s starring in a new series, Bishop, described as "a mixture between Seven and Succession," co-starring John Malkovich.

Working with Legends, Setting Set Culture

• [37:31–40:06] On being starstruck but learning from icons:
  • "The better the actors are, the easier it is to play and… the better of a time you’re having." — Joel Kinnaman [38:31]
  • Jesse echoes with his own recollections of working with Al Pacino: "That definitely changed the way I interact with people that I admire now..." [39:46]
• Joel on leading kindly:
  • “I can really, like, play a big part in changing the vibe on set. Like if I come in with a good spirit... showing that this is a place where we’re not doing bad ego stuff here.” [40:06]
  • But now finds himself craving authenticity over enforced 'niceness’:
    • “Now it’s like everyone’s like a politician… for the gram. The one thing that I find… really difficult… is when someone has a bad ego and… thrives from pushing other people down… that energy… that bothers me.” [41:48]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On mortality’s value:

  • "I think it's really healthy to, like, kind of keep your mortality at the front of your mind and just… not forget that we're all dying. Yeah, I mean, I really think it's one of the keys to, like, live a rich and full life."
    — Joel Kinnaman [02:09 & 09:43]

• On multi-decade acting:

  • "Trying to embody that age and think about your, you know, what that age does to you… made me, I think it's really healthy to keep your mortality at the front of your mind."
    — Joel Kinnaman [09:24]

• On burning his face before the podcast:

  • "No, next time, don't blow your face up."
    — Joel Kinnaman joking to Jesse Tyler Ferguson [04:39]

• On bilingual relationships:

  • "She probably speaks 70% English to me, and I probably speak 50/50 to her. Very often, she will speak English to me, and I'll respond in Swedish. Just a little bizarre."
    — Joel Kinnaman [31:27]

• On LA hiking dates:

  • “We went for a hike in LA… It doesn’t become so obvious that you’re trying to smash, you know.”
    — Joel Kinnaman [32:51]

• On his Burning Man wedding:

  • “We just did it… we had some friends from Iran… this Persian ceremony, and then a friend who’s Thai did this Buddhist tradition with a conch shell… It was awesome.”
    — Joel Kinnaman [34:08–35:16]

• On leading a set:

  • "If I come in with a good spirit and like being generous… showing that this is a place where we’re not doing bad ego stuff here… we're making fun of ourselves…"
    — Joel Kinnaman [40:06]

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Important Timestamps

• 02:33 – Scene-setting: Crudo e Nudo restaurant intros
• 07:30 – 09:43 – The emotional impact of aging on For All Mankind; reflecting on mortality
• 11:12 – 12:36 – Joel discusses leaving the show and filming his character's death
• 16:44 – 20:37 – Joel’s father’s extraordinary journey from the US to Sweden during Vietnam
• 21:11 – 23:28 – Texas exchange student years; culture shock stories
• 24:08 – 25:37 – Journey into acting; Sweden’s National Theatre School experience
• 28:10 – 31:27 – Acting in Swedish after 15 years; language and identity
• 31:34 – 32:51 – Meeting his wife via Instagram DMs and the hiking date
• 33:26 – 35:39 – Describing his spontaneous Burning Man wedding
• 36:18 – 37:16 – Career plans: Comedy and the new series Bishop with John Malkovich
• 37:31 – 40:06 – Working with acting legends; learnings from Denzel and Al Pacino
• 40:06 – 42:57 – Reflections on set culture, generosity, and authenticity

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Tone & Style

The conversation is warm, funny, and confessional, with a blend of reflective vulnerability (mortality, parental aging, career fears), personal storytelling (teenage rebellion, international family saga), and tongue-in-cheek banter (burned faces, awkward DMs). Both host and guest show comfort in bouncing between lighthearted asides and more profound discussions.

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For New Listeners

This episode offers a rich blend of wit, layered personal stories, and behind-the-scenes insights for fans of Joel Kinnaman or anyone curious about the realities of aging, acting, bilingual life, or “making it” in Hollywood—all over a meal as delectable as the conversation.

Transcript

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[Jesse Tyler Ferguson]

Hey, it's Jesse

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

today on the show. You know him from shows like the Killing and For All Mankind. He has a new show out on on Apple TV called Detective Whole. It's Joel Kinnaman.

[Joel Kinnaman]

I think it's really healthy to like, kind of keep your mortality at the front of your mind and just, you know, not forget that we're all dying. Yeah, I mean, I really think it's one of the keys to like, live a rich and full life.

[Jesse Tyler Ferguson]

This is Dinners on me. And I'm your host, Jesse Tyler Ferguson.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

So today I'm at Crudo y Nudo in Santa Monica, just off of the very busy Main Street. This restaurant is known for some of the best seafood in all of Los Angeles. You know it's fresh when the menu is constantly changing. There's a chalkboard inside that lists all of the day's offerings. I think today we're looking at halibut and scallops, I'm sure some other delectable treats, all pulled from the waters from Baja to Monterey. And everything's finished off with beautiful flowers and herbs from local farmer markets. There's a reason why this place is on the top of so many lists of places to eat here in la. I am very excited to have a meal with my new friend Joel. So let's get to the conversation. I have to tell you about this crazy thing that's happened. I told Joanna. I was like, I'm saving it for when the cameras are rolling. Okay. So I'm doing a play in New York right now. Okay. And it's a play about Truman Capote. I'm doing it in a very small space for, like, 100 people a night.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Keep playing, good buddy.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Fantastic.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

It's just me. And for opening night, I got this, like, really amazing Zippo lighter that's, like, engraved. It says gold Lighter. It has the name of the play and the venue on it. And I had to fill it with boutain, so I ordered butane from Amazon. Just filling it in the sink. Some of it dripped into the sink. I thought I'd washed it out. You know where this is going? I tested the lighter. Like a Mission Impossible style. Like, cloud of flames came up and hit my face in my apartment. Can you see? I'm, like, peeling now. You can see.

[Joel Kinnaman]

I can see a little bit for. For.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Okay, so this happened on Thursday.

[Joel Kinnaman]

You blew your face up?

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Blew my face up. I. It was.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Should have done that. That was. You should. Yeah.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

No schedule. And I was so mad.

[Joel Kinnaman]

That was a mistake.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

That was.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Next time, don't blow your face up.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

And so, like, the.

[Jesse Tyler Ferguson]

It was on a Thursday.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

This happened Thursday. What's today? Today's Monday. So this is a few days ago. Four days ago. And at the time, I was like, oh, it's just kind of like. I mean, I've had some bad sunburns. I was raised in New Mexico, so I was like, it's just a bad sunburn.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

That night I, like, just put some makeup on. I was like, it's fine. The next day, I woke up. This was all, like, a blister. This was like my nose was falling off. Like, I looked like I had leprosy on my nose. Just red here, which, you know, I'm playing an alcoholic. So I was like, that kind of works.

[Joel Kinnaman]

No, it's great. Yeah, it's perfect.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

But, you know, I'm just looking a

[Joel Kinnaman]

little dehydrated, that's all.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Exactly.

[Joel Kinnaman]

No, it's a little dry.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

But I'm performing for, like, in a very intimate video. Like, I mean, I'm about as far as away. I'm closer to audience members than I am even to you right now.

[Joel Kinnaman]

And I think it's too intimate.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Yeah, that's too intimate.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Especially if you're.

[Joel Kinnaman]

If I was an audience member, I would be like, yeah, keep back up. Yeah, back up a little bit. Yeah, yeah.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

If you came to see it, I think there are safer scenes that you would see it. But, you know, I. Anyway, like, day three, I FaceTimed a friend of mine, do you know, Busy Phillips? Oh, she. She's an actress. Anyway, she looked at me and she goes, what's wrong with you? Go to the doctor. Like, and this was now Saturday. I was like, well, it's been two days already. Like, this is kind of healing. And it's getting worse as it's healing. And she's like, oh, my God. She's like. She had this real life. She goes, oh, my God. Even straight men or even gay men are just men. Like, you guys don't want to do anything to help yourselves. So I was like, you're right. No, I need to go get. So I went. I went to a doctor. I got some stuff. I went to, like, a hyperbaric oxygen chamber. Now I'm, like, finally doing things to. To heal. But anyway, that's all to say. I'm in the process of. My face is healing.

[Joel Kinnaman]

I'm part of your healing journey.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Joel Kinnaman]

I'm so glad. Yeah.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Have you eaten here?

[Joel Kinnaman]

No.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Excited? You're in Malibu, right?

[Joel Kinnaman]

Yeah, I used to live down the street.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Oh, nice. Yeah.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Ten years.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Thank you. Is there. What should we know?

[Restaurant Staff / Server]

Some pretty exciting items come in, but we have some crudos. It's pretty much what we're known for. They're going to be sliced really thin, kind of sashimi style.

[Joel Kinnaman]

I love me some crudos.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Me, too.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Perfect.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Very excited.

[Restaurant Staff / Server]

Yeah, definitely. We just like to showcase a lot of, like, local farmers, fishermen, things like that. And so everything is coming either three hours up or down the coast.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Is all the fish wild?

[Restaurant Staff / Server]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's all coming from, like, Channel Islands.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Right.

[Restaurant Staff / Server]

But not anywhere like north or south of there, essentially.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

That's so great. I'm so excited.

[Restaurant Staff / Server]

And are you guys okay with everything? Do you have any restrictions or allergies?

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

No, no, I think I'm good.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Thank you.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Awesome. I hadn't started watching All Mankind yet, and so I was like. Let me just. I was like. I was given a link to start. Like, I could see the new episodes. So I said, no, I'm gonna start at the beginning. This is the problem with having a podcast when you haven't started. Like, now I have another show I'm addicted to. It's so good.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Yeah, it's good to know I'm only

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

three episodes in and I've done enough research to know that, you know, you age in each season and kind of by a decade.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Yeah. Not only my character, but everyone.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Yeah, yeah. You're not Benjamin Button, but it's so fantastic.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Yeah, it's. It's. It's a super well written show. Yeah, like, it's. That show is, like, really special to me. I think, you know, it's like a combination of things I've been trying to, like, can I put my feet finger on, like, why I'm feel like, so emotional about the show compared to, like, like 99 of other work that I've done this, I mean, for. It is. It is like the character that I've played for the longest amount of time because we started this in like, 2018. So it's been a minute. And so it was like, you know, I've been shooting it for a real era of my life. But then it's also. It's been something really special. Special with, you know, shooting in all these different ages. I was like 40, 50, 60, 70, and now 80 on the show. And it's just something really special about, like, sitting, you know, because it's also not usually when you go through the sort of aging process, it's usually kind of like an epilogue scene, you know, that you do for like a week. You don't see a season, but you're not spending six months looking like that. And, like, being that. And it's just something with, you know, like, trying to embody that age and think about your, you know, think about what that age does to you for that amount of time, for all those different, like, eras of your life. Yeah, it just really made me, you know, I think it's really healthy to, like, kind of keep your mortality at the Front of your mind and just, you know, not forget that we're all dying.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Joel Kinnaman]

I mean, I really think it's one of the keys to, like, live a rich and full life, too, because I think it's so easy for us in our minds that we sort of just kind of, you know, put things away and then we just kind of keep trugging along and then just keep doing our routines. And then all of a sudden, like, 20 years pass and it's like, oh, why didn't I do that? And then we kind of lose the sight of our dreams or, you know, the things that are scary that we didn't really go for and things like that. Sure. But so I think this. The experience of shooting on this show just really, like, put that in front of my face and.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

How old are your parents?

[Joel Kinnaman]

So my dad's like, the same age that Baldwin is in the same. In the last season, so he's 82.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Yeah. So I think that was also, like, very emotional. And I was like, for the last season, I was really, like, kind of studying my dad in a different way, and. And he's gotten a little grumpy, you

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

know, I mean, we're all heading towards. Yeah, grumpy.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

This looks great.

[Joel Kinnaman]

This looks great.

[Restaurant Staff / Server]

So this is local bread from yon Isaac bakery. And then a bit of olive oil from Spain.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Oh, nice things on there.

[Restaurant Staff / Server]

Yeah.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Ome bread. So good bread. I love me some bread.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

So you're done shooting the show. You've. You've. And how does it feel to. Because it's over. Right.

[Joel Kinnaman]

That was it for me. Yeah. So it's.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

I die in the next episode. I said no spoilers.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Sorry.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Yeah. Oh, no.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Yeah. So I die in episode three flashbacks. And it was so emotional shooting that I don't know.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Now I'm sad.

[Joel Kinnaman]

It was so emotional. It was strange. I was like. Like crying my ass off while we were shooting. After we were shooting. I don't know. I think it was something that will connected in me with my dad, you know, it was like, because I was on my deathbed, you know, saying goodbye to my grandson, my daughter. And I know something, you know, like, about that situation. You know, it's like, I mean, that is gonna happen, you know, you know, hopefully it helps. You know, hopefully that happens to everyone, that they get to say goodbye to their parent, you know, in a. In a good way.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

But that is wild to like, be put in a position to, you know, have to live in that space of passing away and being playing the age that your father actually is. I mean, that is. That's wild. Yeah, that's really wild.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Makes you think for sure.

[Jesse Tyler Ferguson]

Now for a quick break, but don't go away. When we come back, Joel tells me a fascinating story about how his American dad ended up in Sweden after five years on the run.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Yes, there's a story there.

[Jesse Tyler Ferguson]

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[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

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[Jesse Tyler Ferguson]

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[Jesse Tyler Ferguson]

And we're back with more dinners on me.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Your dad is was born in the States, right? Yeah. Right.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

There's an interesting story with her because you were talking about maybe even creating a film about like his life.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Yeah, he

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

left kind of during the Vietnam War.

[Jesse Tyler Ferguson]

Right.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

And went to.

[Joel Kinnaman]

So it's pretty funny. He was born in Indiana and then he moved here. Santa Monica.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Oh, really?

[Joel Kinnaman]

Oh my God.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Oh my God. This looks incredible.

[Restaurant Staff / Server]

Get ready.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Mmm.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

That looks.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Put it in my mouth.

[Restaurant Staff / Server]

So this is the critter trio. Again, it changes pretty much table to table. I recommend starting with the middle one here. I'm the lightest and most delicate. So it's halibut. It's very lean, clean. And then there's adashi that we make from the roasted fish bones. Arbequina olive oil and then sesame. This is lupin tuna with a house made blood orange juice which is clarified, a little bit of lemon oil and then basil buds and Aleppo. And then finally the local vermilion rockfish from the Channel Islands with mandarin oil, white soybear pepper and chives.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

These look so incredible.

[Restaurant Staff / Server]

You're going to want that bread to sop up juices too.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Will do. Joel.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Okay, wait. So go back to your dad.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Yeah. So he moved. He moved here to Santa Monica. He was on Pico just, like, two blocks away, and that's where they found him in the draft. And he got. He got drafted in the army. He got drafted while high on lsd. Wow. He said it was like. It was a turtle that, like, showed up when they were, like, right when they were, like, processing him. And he was like, to this day, he doesn't know if the turtle was real, but it shouldn't have been. A turtle in the middle of that is really funny. And. And then he got stationed in Bangkok and. And there he started to spend time with a bunch of European backpackers and who were, like, in Bangkok and just had a completely different view of the whole conflict and the war and what the US Was doing there. So he started to bring these ideas back to the base, which was not appreciated and became more vocal, and the situation started to become untenable. And then a friend of his who was sort of in the administration at the. At the base told him, like, hey, just so you know, like, last week we saw your orders have changed. Like, you're. You're being shipped to. I don't know exactly where it was, but it was, like, in a zone of heavy combat. And. And then he just made a decision that it's not going to. Not going to do this. So one of the following nights, he, like, snuck out of the military barracks at night, hitchhiked his way into Bangkok, burned his pass, passport, and. And then hitchhiked his way up into Northern Thailand and then snuck over the Mekong river and then into Laos. And then he lived on the run in Laos for five years. And then he met my sister's. My sister's mom, and. And then they decided to try to escape, and they found out that Sweden was the only country that accepted actual deserters. There was a lot of, like, Canada there, other countries that accepted draft dodgers, but actual deserters. Sweden was the only western country that accepted them. So got to borrow a passport from a journalist friend, and we got on the plane and landed in Stockholm and applied for political asylum. Yeah, the rest is history.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

It's a fascinating story. You plug it in and has your dad been back to the States since?

[Joel Kinnaman]

Yeah. So Jimmy Carter issued and sort of partial amnesty. So after that he was able to come back.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

What's his relationship with the United States?

[Joel Kinnaman]

Conflicted for sure.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Joel Kinnaman]

And it's funny because, you know, I came here and I found out that I love this place.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

You came Here. Pretty young, right? As an exchange student?

[Joel Kinnaman]

Yeah, I was here for a year when I was 16.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Texas, right?

[Joel Kinnaman]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Yeah. That is a total culture shock.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Yeah, yeah, that was Stockholm.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

You came to Texas, To Texas.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Yeah. But it was like, it was still a great experience and then. And it's so valuable for me to have spent a year, like in my late teens in Texas. I went to high school in the US because after, like moving here and then trying to play American in shows, it was so important to have had this sort of high school experience because I think high school is a much more defining thing in the US Than it is in Europe.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Sort of your identity in high school. I feel like it has much more like significance to people here, like, in the later parts of their lives, like either who they were or they weren't, like. Whereas, like, school is like a much smaller part of that sort of identity building aspect in European schools because all your extracurricular activities is like, outside of school. Right. So it just has a lesser importance. Right, right. So good.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

So incredible.

[Joel Kinnaman]

So good.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Did you try this yet?

[Joel Kinnaman]

Yeah, the tuna is bomb.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Yeah, that might be my favorite, actually.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Yeah. I was like a little boy even back then. And you know, I was just trying to get high and, you know, trying or doing it, I was as like, as soon as I could get any drugs, I would take them. Okay. But it was as soon as they let me out of the house, I was like. I remember I went to this like, Texas party with some of. Some of the football players and it was like, it was like a Texas gangster party. So it was like, you know, like bombs of hay that you were sitting on, but it was like Mexican gangsters. And they were like, you ever smoked the primo essay? And I was like, no, but I want to. And I smoked it. And they're like. I was like, what is that? It's like weed and cocaine. I was like, great. That's exactly what I needed right now.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Oh my God.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Yeah, I was, I was a little idiot. So, I mean, I probably was not like an easy kid to have as an exchange student, so, you know, God bless him.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Wow. And were you interested in. In acting at that point? Was that something that.

[Joel Kinnaman]

No, no, no. I was interested in different kinds of drugs and, and then. And. And all of the girls. Uh huh.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

But that was your first experience with America? This Texas. Yeah. And this like, weird little pocket of Texas.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

And yet you still kind of knew that you wanted to come here.

[Joel Kinnaman]

No, no, no, no, that was later because you.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

You did it well, tell me how you ended up falling into acting.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Well, I was like, kind of did.

[Jesse Tyler Ferguson]

You did theater, right?

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joel Kinnaman]

When I was, like, in my. Like, around. When I was like, 19, 19, 20, I never, like, graduated from. From high school, but, like, the people that I went to high school with, they were, like, in the acting program and were about to become actors. So then I was following them. They were. They knew how. What the path was, how you do you. And in Sweden, the easiest path is to, like. The easiest path to credibly become an actor, to be able to say that you are an actor, is to get into the National Theatre School. And it's like every year there's like 10 spots and 1,000 to 2,000 people apply. And then when you get in, it's like four years. And it's an incredible education. It's like.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

It.

[Joel Kinnaman]

The education is. You know, in Sweden, it's a little bit more civilized than over here. You know, we don't. We actually get paid to go to college. Wow. Really? Yeah. You get, like, a stipend from the government.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Joel Kinnaman]

And it's free, so you actually get paid to go to. So there's like, a real incentive to get educated.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Joel Kinnaman]

I think I got in on my, like, fourth attempt or something, and when I got in, that was, like, my life just, like, completely shifted.

[Jesse Tyler Ferguson]

Now let's take a quick break, but don't go away. When we return, Joel tells me about returning to acting in his native language in the new show Detective Hole, now out on Netflix. And we get into his unconventional, conventional wedding at Burning Man. Okay, be right back.

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[Jesse Tyler Ferguson]

And we're back with more dinners on me.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Nice.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Oh, wow. Oh, my God.

[Restaurant Staff / Server]

Do you want to hang out with that? With the bread?

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Yeah. Right. I don't know. Keep it, Cameron. Why not?

[Restaurant Staff / Server]

Yeah. So this is going to be, I like to say, if you're taking a walk down the Santa Monica farmers market for the week, it's kind of what's going to end up on this plate here. So we have a bunch of different veg. We have some pickled veg and then a green garlic hummus. All of it's topped off with an almond and hazelnut duka and a little bit of pe. Olive oil.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Beautiful.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

I mean, the other. It's so crazy that you have, you know, the, the. The two shows that I just watched you in, the other one being detective, which is so wildly different than, you know, anything I've actually ever seen you in.

[Joel Kinnaman]

And.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

But you get to also. It's so funny because I was watching and like, my. My iPad mess is a default mode, like, go to like a dubs English. And I was. I was watching about half. I was like, this doesn't seem right. Like, their lips are really. The ADR on this is really bad. And then I was like, oh, I'm watching it over. And so I. I started it again and watched it in Swedish, which is so much better. But I. It's so dark, different. But I was also thinking about how I imagine it must be somewhat freeing to also be able to act in a language that maybe you haven't acted in in a while.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Yeah, no, for sure. Yeah. I hadn't played in Swedish for over 15 years. Wow. So. And it was a couple of months into the shoot of Detective ho, I was. I had this like a moment with myself and I was like, oh, my God, like, what have I been doing? Because I realized while shooting that, that, like, playing in Swedish, like, I have another gear that I just haven't been using. And there's like something with the language, playfulness with it, the sort of fluidity of, you know, impersonating people and dialects and stuff like that. Because it's it's the language that I grew up with my first 30 years.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you spoke. Do you and your dad spoke English and you and your mom spoke Swedish?

[Joel Kinnaman]

Exactly, yeah. So I spoke English at home. So, like, English is an important, emotional language for me. You know, a lot of people that learn other languages, it's like, we can speak it well, but they can struggle to, like, really, like, express their emotions in a way, because it's sort of have to translate it internally. It's like, I don't have that in English, so I. I can. English is. I can be fully expressive in English, but there's, like, something there that is, like. And I think my identity is more tightly bound to Swedish. It's weird, but it goes back and forth. It's strange. It's funny with language. Like, it's. Especially when you live this, like, really bilingual life that I do, or even with my wife, you know, because she's also Swedish, but she grew up in a household that spoke English at home. Her dad's Australian, so we speak both. Oh, really? We speak, like. She probably speaks, like, 70% English to me, and I probably speak 50, 50 to her. And very often she will speak English to me and I will respond in Swedish. Really?

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Just a little bizarre.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

How did you two meet?

[Joel Kinnaman]

I slid into her dance. Oh, really?

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Wow. Very au courant.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Yeah. It took me seven months to get a date.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Really?

[Joel Kinnaman]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

When was this? What year?

[Joel Kinnaman]

It was the. 2018. 2019. Okay. Yeah, yeah. We started. Started chatting in 2018, and I was like, I've been, like, single for a year or something like that. Maybe a little bit less. I was, like, still heavily in the newest iteration of my, like, boy era. And it's like, the things that I was suggesting to her, I mean, it's like. It's embarrassing, you know, it's like, hey, you want to come have a drink in my hotel? Hotel bar at 11pm, right?

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

She's like, no, no. Good for her.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Dummy. Yeah. So when I'd, like, played through all of that and then kind of come to my senses and we went. We went for a hike in LA when she was here visiting.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

And that's what you do on a date in la. I did that with my husband.

[Joel Kinnaman]

So she. Yeah, yeah, Hike. That was in. It's great. It's like, it's nice. You're out. It doesn't become so obvious that you're trying to smash, you know, I mean, it's literally same.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

I. I had a dinner date with my husband the Night before. And then he was like.

[Joel Kinnaman]

He.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

I, like, obviously wanted to see him again. And so I made this date to go hiking the next day. And then, like, it was. It wasn't until, like, after the hike that, yeah, things escalated, as we say. And you guys got married when?

[Joel Kinnaman]

Year and a half ago, I think. Yeah.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

What was that?

[Joel Kinnaman]

Almost two years ago? Well, her idea of a big wedding was, like, 35, 40 people.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

That's big.

[Joel Kinnaman]

And my idea of a small wedding was, like, 120. So there was not much middle ground there. So then we decided to get married. A Burning Man.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

That's a very triggering word for me right now.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Yeah. Yeah. No, you literally are the burning man.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

No way.

[Joel Kinnaman]

So this was me coming to the man burn, you know, burning.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Well, how does one get buried a burning man? Like, you just.

[Joel Kinnaman]

You just do it.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Do you need an officiant?

[Joel Kinnaman]

No, we had a friend. We had a friend that. That officiated. It was actually really beautiful. We had. It was, like, seven friends that were there. No one was, like, invited for the wedding, sort of.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Did you know you were gonna get married before going? Okay, you didn't tell anyone?

[Joel Kinnaman]

Huh?

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

You didn't tell any of your friends that you're.

[Joel Kinnaman]

No, we didn't. We didn't want to make too big of it. We had a couple, you know, that were, like, it'd be a good idea if you came, you know? But we did. Everyone that was coming, like, all of our friends were sort of from all over the world, so we asked all of our friends to, you know, maybe bring a tradition from their culture of. So we had this. Had some friends from Iran, so they did this, like, this Persian ceremony where they're like, yeah, it was a beautiful something. We had to, like, lick the honey in the mouth, and they were, like, grinding something above our heads, and it was awesome. And then another friend is Thai, so she had this, like, sort of Buddhist tradition of, like, she. She had this conch shell. She had this special water in it. And then we got to say our love and our intentions into this conch shell. And then she prayed over it as well. And then she had these two. Or she had this plant that. That she then poured those intentions into. And then. Yeah, I think we just killed that plant, by the way, which is really good. Yeah, it's not. It's not doing good.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

That sounds so special and, like, something that you would never be able to, like, put together in any other.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Way. I mean, I've never been to Burning man, to be perfectly honest. It sounds like, my worst nightmare, like, just being in the desert with, like, no shade. But, I mean, I know people who go and absolutely swear by it. They love it so much.

[Restaurant Staff / Server]

So it's the tuna tartare toast.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Bam. Wow.

[Restaurant Staff / Server]

That is onion confit there, a little yuzu oil drizzle, and then some black sesame over the top. It's cut in half for you, so you're. You're good to go.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Oh, my gosh.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Thank you.

[Restaurant Staff / Server]

Do you prefer fresh plates or are you okay?

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

No, I'm okay with this. This is it. Right after this.

[Restaurant Staff / Server]

This is the final dish.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Oh, my God. What do you think? I mean, now that all mankind is done, what do you want to. I mean, what would you like? What's your dream job now, do you think? I mean, you've done so many fucking awesome things.

[Jesse Tyler Ferguson]

Situational comedy.

[Joel Kinnaman]

I do. I do want to do more comedy, actually. I'm actually like that. That's actually where I want to, like, kind of focus a little bit now. I really enjoy it, and I have a new show that is going to be great. I'm really looking, looking forward to it. But it shoots in Montreal and it's like, that's probably the last time I'm gonna sign up for something, like, longer term that's not shooting in la.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Nice.

[Jesse Tyler Ferguson]

What is that?

[Joel Kinnaman]

It's called Bishop. So I'm the. The sort of elevator. It's. It's like a mixture between seven and succession.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Got it. I. I totally announce your name. Yep. Got it.

[Joel Kinnaman]

John Malkovich plays my dad.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

No way. And. Wow. That's crazy.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Have you met him yet?

[Joel Kinnaman]

No, can't wait.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

That's gonna be wild.

[Joel Kinnaman]

So good. So fun.

[Jesse Tyler Ferguson]

I mean, what is it like when

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

you get a work with these? I mean, I love. My favorite part about being an actor is that I get to encounter people I just absolutely worship.

[Joel Kinnaman]

I know.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

And get to create with them. And I mean, he's someone that I just. John Mal. I just love so much. Do you find it intimidating or. I mean, how do you usually. No,

[Joel Kinnaman]

I mean, I worked with Denzel, like, early in my career, so he was a little intimidating, but I also didn't have any, like, real scenes with him like this. It was just like, kind of. He put a gun to my head and we had a little conversation with.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joel Kinnaman]

But otherwise, I find, like, the. The better the actors are, the easier it is.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

The easier they are.

[Joel Kinnaman]

I know, and so true. And it's like, it's. The better they are, the easier it is to play. And the Easier it is to play the better of a time you're having.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Yeah. I got to do Shakespeare with Al Pacino, and it was. I mean, one of the highlights of my career, for sure.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

But what you were saying about people who are that talented end up being the easiest to work with is so true, because I went in with this idea that he was going to be so intimidating, and so, like, I was going to have to work extra hard to get in with him, and he was so open. Also, you know, we were doing a play together, so it's like, you know, you're really creating from the ground up. You're taking the time with rehearsal, which I love so much. I love being able to rehearse. And he's such a creature of theater, and I. Something I am so passionate about. I think, think he really recognized that, and really, the entire cast. But it was such a great experience, and I was. It definitely changed the way I interact with people that I admire now because I feel like, you know, we're all human at the end of the day, and, like, we all. We're all doing this thing, and not everyone's gonna. You're not gonna have a great experience with everyone. But all. I can just put my best foot forward and, like, offer the best version of myself, and hopefully they'll respond to it. Like, if they don't, then that probably. That revelation is probably not meant to be. But, yeah, he was someone that I really treasured working with. Yeah.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Made me think of. I remember when I started working and when I started working here and when started getting my first sort of lead roles here, and I realized, like, okay, I can really, like, play a big part in changing the vibe on set. Like, if I come in with, like, a good spirit and, like, being generous and, like, showing that this is, like, a place where we're not, like, doing bad ego stuff here, where it's like, here we're making fun of ourselves.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

You're setting a tone. Yeah.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Yeah. And I thought that was, like, so. So important and to be, like, generous and to create that spirit. I don't know. But now I feel like everyone's doing that, so. But I feel like there's much. So there's so much, like, posturing and, like, sort of virtue signaling around that. That it doesn't, like, I feel now, I'm. I mean, it's still very important that, you know, people show up and. And. And are being generous and warm, but I find, like, it's. I feel like it's become more and more important for me, that people are just, like, real. That they are themselves. And then. Or maybe I'm just like, I need to be like, a contrarian. I always have to, like, do the opposite. Now I'm gonna start being an asshole to everyone. Like, I'm starting a diva, because that's.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Are you feeling like sometimes it's just an act? Like that people are.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now it's like everyone's like a politician, you know? And it's like, it's like, for the gram.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Joel Kinnaman]

No, but the one thing that I find, like, really difficult to deal with is, like, when someone has, like, a bad ego and it's like. And you can tell that they sort of thrive from pushing other people down. Like, that energy. And I don't care about who they're pushing down. That doesn't even. I don't really judge people, how they behave towards me. You know, it's more like seeing how they're treating other people. When I see that, especially, like, from someone that's sort of leading, that's. And nowadays I think that's a lot more subtle. You know, people don't want to get called out, you know, but when that energy is around, like, that bothers me.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I always think I'd be a great number one on the call sheet.

[Joel Kinnaman]

No one's let me.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

That'd be awesome. And when it happens, it's gonna be a great set. You can be on it.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Can't wait.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Thanks for doing this.

[Joel Kinnaman]

My pleasure. Thanks for having me.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Appreciate it.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Yeah. Thank you. Love chatting with you.

[Jesse Tyler Ferguson]

This episode of Dinners on Me was recorded at Crudo e Nudo in Santa Monica, California. Next week on Dinner's on Me.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

You know her from the Blue Lagoon,

[Jesse Tyler Ferguson]

Suddenly Susan and Lipstick Jungle. It's Brooke Shields. We get into what it's like basically being famous since you're a baby. Navigating invasive moments with the press in the 90s. And her latest project, which I'm so excited about, a campy murder mystery set in a quaint New England town. Say less. Listen, I'm binging it already. And if you don't want to wait until next week to listen, you can download that episode right now by subscribing to Dinners on Me. Plus, as a subscriber, not only do you get access to new episodes one week early, you'll also be able to listen completely ad free. Just click Try free at the top of the Dinners on Me show page on Apple Podcasts to start your free trial today. Dinners On Me is a production of Sony Music Entertainment and a kid named Beckett Productions. It's hosted by me, Jesse Tyler Ferguson. It's executive produced by me and Jonathan Hirsch. Our showrunner is Joanna Clay. Our associate producer is Alyssa Midcalf. Sam Baer engineered this episode. Hans Dale, she composed our theme music. Our head of production is Sammy Allison. Special thanks to Tameka Balance Kolasny and Justin Makita. I'm Jesse Tyler Ferguson. Join me next week.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Hey, Mama.

[Restaurant Staff / Server]

Thanks for making all my favorite recipes.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Hi, Ma. Thanks for your unfiltered advice.

[Joel Kinnaman]

Hi, Mom.

[Restaurant Staff / Server]

Thanks for always being by the phone.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Hey, Mom. Happy Mother's Day.

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