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April Callahan
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Cassidy Zachary
please enjoy one of our favorite episodes from the Dressed archive of over 500 plus shows.
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April Callahan
Dress the history of Fashion is a production of dress media. With over 8 billion people in the world, we all have one thing in common. Every day, we all get dressed.
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Cassidy Zachary
Welcome to Dress the History of Fashion, a podcast that explores the who, what, when of why we wear. We are fashion historians and your host,
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April Callahan
Cassidy Zachary and April Callahan.
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Cassidy Zachary
Well dressed listeners, welcome back to the second part of our Dressed Guide to Dressed. If you did not listen to Tuesday's episode, you want to check that out because what we are doing across these two episodes is looking back over our what do we say, April? 384 episodes of Dressed across five seasons in almost five years.
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April Callahan
Call it 400. It's, you know, six of one, half dozen of the other.
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Cassidy Zachary
Yes. So so many episodes. We've had so much fun over the past five years. Almost five years. I think it'll be five years since the podcast aired in February of 2023. And April, this has just been such a treat, wouldn't you say?
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April Callahan
Yes, for sure. And it was like such a great way to kind of like look back and remember all the topics that we have actually covered on the show because sometimes even though we were the ones that produced them, we have forgotten about some of the episodes. Like, have we already already done an episode on that? Oh, right, we have.
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Cassidy Zachary
Yeah. Well, here's another one. Yeah, no, it's been really, really fun.
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April Callahan
So this is a little wandering down memory lane with you all.
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Cassidy Zachary
Yeah. And then, you know, as April mentioned in the first part of this episode on Tuesday, we get asked all the time about like recommendations for episodes because honestly, if you're a new listener today, you have a huge back catalog to get started. And so really what we've done is shown you the different themes and topics that we cover, and, you know, there's really something for everyone. And the one theme that we're gonna start with today is something that I know you and I both love, and I'm sure our listeners will join us in saying that we love fashion icons. April, who are some of your favorite fashion icons that you've done episodes on?
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April Callahan
Well, actually, I have to say, I. I think this has been a little bit of an obsession or a focus for me this particular season in season five, because two of my picks actually are from this year. My first one that I would like to start with, and we haven't really talked about music too, too much on the show or music icons, but, I mean, who is more iconic than Prince? Probably very few people in the history of music. So one of my top picks on this topic or on this theme in particular, is our episode entitled On His Royal Badness, the Life and Legacy of Prince's Fashion. And our guest for that episode was Cassie Ritchie. And those two episodes aired on March 15th and 17th. And of course, we. We break down a lot of Prince's most iconic looks and also speak a little bit about the makers behind them.
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Cassidy Zachary
Yeah, that was such a fun episode. We got so much positive feedback on that episode. Obviously, Prince fan or not, lots of fascinating topics to discuss in that one. One of my favorite fashion icons that we've discussed over the seasons is Queen Sirikit of Thailand. And we welcomed scholar Melissa Levanton, who has actually worked closely with the Queen Sirikit Museum of Textiles in Thailand, to tell the story of Queen Sirikit of Thailand. She's still alive, but she has this incredible legacy going back to the, I believe, the 40s or 50s, when she married the king of Thailand and became this internationally recognizable figurehead. And she did it, let me tell you, so incredibly dressed. She actually collaborated with Pierre Balmain, the French couturier, to not just mimic European fashion, but actually incorporate it into Thai national dress in incredibly beautiful ways. It's a really moving story, and she's really focused on, you know, community uplift, too, through textiles and fashion design. So that was a really, really fun episode. And just talk about an international fashion icon. She was it.
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April Callahan
I have a fun story about Queen Sir Kitt via a donation. Very recently, across my desk at FIT came a book on Thai fashion history. Ooh. Produced by Queen Sirikit in the 1960s on the occasion of her husband the King's birthday had a little dedication in the front. So I had to get out my Google Translate to translate some Thai to sort this all out to see exactly where the book came from and what it was. But once you get into the book, it had both English and Thai language text relating to the images, but all the dedication in the front was only in Thai. So that took a little sleuthing on my part to figure out exactly what it was produced for.
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Cassidy Zachary
Oh that is so cool. I hope you do a blog post coming up on it or something so I can see images.
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April Callahan
Oh good idea. I will do so. Okay, my next pick on this topic is none other than A Lady Die, a quite recent episode, Another two parter in September of this year. These episodes aired on September 20th and September 22nd, 2022 and the episodes were entitled the Lady Di what Diana Was Trying to Tell Us Through Her Clothes. And our guest was Eloise Moran. And of course we focus on the moment that Lady Diana Spencer stepped out into the spotlight in 1981 when she first became engaged to Prince Charles, now King Charles iii. But in this two part episode we trace the evolution of her unique brand of royal elegance. And in the second part of the episode we discuss Lady Diana's separation and her divorce and detail some of her best revenge looks that followed. So there is a book associated with this. It is called the Lady Die Look Book. So you can pick up Eloise's book if you're interested. You can also follow her on her Instagram which is Lady Di Revenge Looks.
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Cassidy Zachary
Yeah, and she posts like every day and has so much fun with that Instagram. So maybe not one particular fashion icon, although Josephine Baker certainly falls in this category. Mieston get certainly falls in this category. But I love the fashion icon, the Showgirl. I mean how iconic is the Showgirl in Europe, America? And I actually did a two part series on fashion and the showgirl in 20201215 and 1217, 2020 y about showgirl costume and performance wear. But it's also about the relationship between fashion and the showgirl. So how they kind of transcended just that stage to become, you know, international, globally recognized fashion icons. And this is a love affair that extends back over 100 years. And we explored that into the 20th century in those two episodes. And then this past season I interviewed Liz Goldwyn about her incredible book, the Last Generation of American Burlesque Queens who Reigned supreme during the Performance arts Golden Age in kind of the mid 20th century. So you have those three episodes dressed listeners, if you want to check out more about the fashion icon, the showgirl. And now we're going to move on to a theme that we have explored literally throughout history and around the world, and that is our around the world category. We also have a lot of episodes in this section that really expand the narrative of fashion history, which you've heard us talk about multiple times on the show as being often white and Euro American centered. And that is certainly not the case. As we've endeavored to show over five seasons, fashion history exists in incarnations all over the world. We've highlighted so many indigenous fashion designers like Karina Emmerich. Orlando Deguy was on this past season. April just joined me in August of this year to go to Santa Fe Indian Market that has an annual fashion show. And then of course, we've had Christian Allaire, who's a staff writer at Vogue, who's been on the show twice, and. And he's just doing so much incredible work at Vogue to really bring indigenous designers and talent into the spotlight. Other people who are actively working to expand the narrative of fashion history, we've had filmmakers on the show. We recently had Gia Lee and Jody Chan, whose documentary Invisible Seams is about Asian seamstresses working in the New York Garment district. And then of course, we had Adele Pham on to talk about her film Nailed it, which is a history of the Vietnamese nail salon. So those are two fascinating episodes that you can both listen to and watch.
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April Callahan
Yes, as are some of the really wonderful and beautiful textile traditions from around the world as well. Cass, you did an episode with Clarissa Esqueira. I don't know, was that last year? A couple years ago now at this point, entitled Power of Patterns, Central Asian Ecots. That was really, really amazing. And for any of our listeners who might not be familiar with an ecot, this is yet another obsession of mine. One of the things that makes them so supremely special, in addition to their beauty, is actually how the patterns and the motifs in them are created. And the warp threads and the weft threads are actually dyed in advance to them actually being woven together. And it is when the particular patterns are woven together that the motifs and the imagery emerges. So, I mean, has a very, very special place in my heart. So tune back into that one if you'd like to learn a bit more about ecot. Also, if anybody is interested in the history of Ankara or otherwise known as wax print in Africa, sometimes it's also called Dutch wax print. The episode that we did with Aywan Obinyan is really fascinating on that. She really helps us break down the really complicated history of this textile from its colonialist origins to its current association with African pride. So. So there's a documentary actually attached to that one of the same name. It's called Wax Print. And I think that is available streaming as we speak.
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Cassidy Zachary
And something that's important to point out is you just talked about ECOT and wax prints, which is a form of resist dyeing. Right. These are techniques that are found in cultures all over the world, so it's really interesting. Same with Indigo. We did an episode on Indigo. So it's really interesting to realize that these textile techniques and dyeing techniques. You also did an episode on lace recently. Exists in different forms all over the world. And these different cultures and peoples have come to these dyeing and weaving techniques and decorative techniques on their own and in different ways or within that whole
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April Callahan
thing is also embedded a history of trade.
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Cassidy Zachary
Right. And that cultural exchange that exists. I mean, I think people would be so surprised to learn how like, like trade networks have existed for thousands and thousands of years and people are just walking hundreds of miles to each other.
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April Callahan
Yeah, we haven't yet really touched on the Silk Road too much. Maybe we should do an episode on that.
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Cassidy Zachary
Yeah, we haven't. We did an episode on global trade, I think last season with Beverly Lemire, but that was starting kind of in the 15th century. But yeah, the Silk Road would be fascinating. So adding it to the list.
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April Callahan
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April Callahan
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April Callahan
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Cassidy Zachary
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April Callahan
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Cassidy Zachary
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April Callahan
Yeah, and gender bending fashions is something that we also explored in our episode with Michelle Tollini Finnemore in the summer of 2019 in a two part episode entitled Gender Bending Fashion. I mean, really at the crux of this question is who gets to wear the pants and that men just might enjoy the comfort of skirts. Also, both of those themes were explored in a museum exhibition that was on view at the time at the Museum of Fine Arts, Boston.
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Cassidy Zachary
Yeah, and as Alok reminds us, right, clothings are inanimate objects. They do not have gender. They only have gender because society gives them meaning. So that's certainly something we like to explore on the podcast as well.
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April Callahan
Some of our favorite interviews are within our next category, and that is Contemporary Makers. The artists, designers and other innovators who are working to create fashion history today. And this can often, but not always be found in our fashion History now kind of sub series, I guess we would call it Cast. Those kind of tend to be minisodes, but they sometimes like blossom out because the discussion is so fascinating and turn out to be full length episodes or two part episodes. Who knows what's going on. We're just kind of free flowing with the formats these days. But we've interviewed people from a wide range of jobs, from photographers like Ari Seth Cohen, the founder of the blog Advanced Style, and also the sartorialist Scott Schumann to Sava Ro Taylor Jihyi on, and contemporary lace maker Elena Kanagi Liu. But one of the makers that I think Cass and I can both agree on, and one of our favorite episodes I think that we have both ever done was with artist Fabiola Jean Louis. Oh yes, we both adore her work and actually Fabi has become a good friend after being a guest on the show. But we spoke with her back in February of 2021 about her work and her rewriting of kind of not just art history, but fashion history as well in her photography. And not just her photography, because a lot of the garments, or almost all of the garments in that particular series that her subjects are wearing, she has recreated out of paper, fascinating historic silhouettes dating all the way back to the 16th century and into the 18th century. And then she poses the models in these particular vignettes and most often they are women of color and they are kind of reclaiming that space and not just the narrative of art history, but also fashion history as well. So we're very excited to see what Fabiola comes up with next. She has kind of transitioned away a little bit from the photography work and she's doing a lot of paper sculpture work and Installation work now.
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Cassidy Zachary
So, yeah, and one of those artists that you want to follow on Instagram because she's constantly sharing insights into her creative process. And I mean, her art is just kind of, I mean, we can explain it on here, but it's another thing to see it entirely. You have to see it so incredibly moving. And that's something I really love about the fashion History now series. April is obviously we're engaging with contemporary artists and fashion designers and scholars and it's kind of, you know, moving beyond just kind of these singular narratives of who creates fashion. Right. And how people engage with fashion. Because there's all these different people doing it in all these incredible ways. And I really love people like Elena or Nadia Albertini who came on to talk about the art of embroidery or Rachel Frost, the art of historical hat making. So these are people, artists and creatives who are engaging with historical techniques in a way that champions hand craftsmanship, sustainability, the connection between the maker and the product. Right. What, what they're creating something that is, you know, something that's really been lost in many ways because of the fast fashion industry. And so all of these artists, designers, creators are really a way to remind us of why clothing matters and why we should care about the clothes that we wear. So that's just a few highlights from some of our makers episodes, but I think we've done 50 plus of them now, so there's plenty for you to choose from.
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April Callahan
Yes. And speaking about caring about the clothes that you wear, one of the things that I especially like to speak about on the show is sustainability and also kind of the role that technology plays within the history of fashion as well. Sometimes this comes by way of contemporary fashion history makers and also the activists who are really out there championing sustainable and ethical fashions. Most recently we did an episode with the company on they are an Athletic Wear specifically kind of more speaking, specializing in the sneaker running sneaker realm about one of their new endeavors where they are capturing carbon emissions at the source of factories before they go out into the atmosphere and then they are able to, I know, it's so crazy. Convert them through a process akin to bright brewing that allows them to create the carbon into polymers and then those polymers are then turned into a plastic like substance that they then use in their footwear. I mean, talk about incredible. We also have in the past spoken with Aja Barber about her book Consumed the Need for Collective Change and interviewed designers like Mimi Prober about working in the sustainable fashion space. One of my all time favorite interviews that we've actually done on the show was with Dana Thomas, because I am such a huge fan of her work and I was able to interview her about her book Fashionopolis, which is really about and traces so eloquently and so well the rise of fast fashion and its true cost to our society at large today.
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Cassidy Zachary
And I think that was one that we did season one. So again, this is one of those platforms that we've kind of introduced early on and kind of kept with throughout the entire show because it's something that really, really matters to us. If we're going to talk about fashion, we've also got to talk about the problematic side of consumerism and consumption, right? So that's something that we, you know, we want to be conscious and we want to encourage our listeners to be more conscious consumers too. Ryan Reynolds here from Mint Mobile. I don't know if you knew this, but anyone can get the same premium wireless for 15amonth plan that I've been enjoying. It's not just for celebrities. So do like I did and have one of your assistant's assistants switch you to Mint Mobile today. I'm told it's super easy to do@mintmobile.com
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April Callahan
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Cassidy Zachary
So the last category we are going to talk about in this epic look back at five seasons of Dressed is, I think April. You can agree with me. One of our favorite types of interviews is interviews with living legends. We could think of no better way to end our time together dress listeners than with our episodes talking to legendary fashion history makers. I mean, this includes fashion designer Norma Kamali, Rudy Gernreich, model Barbara Flood, trend forecaster and paper doll artist David Woof, fashion mentor Tim Gunn, which we did last season. Pioneering hip hop stylist June Ambrose, master Milliner, Stephen Jones. I mean, these episodes are always such an honor and a pleasure and ones that we love to do together. April, which was the case with Stephen Burrows, which is this rare time that we actually gotta be in studio with the person we're interviewing and together.
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April Callahan
Yes. And it was such a treat to meet Steven. He is the sweetest human, just so gentle and so kind, and so he's one of those people who lights up the room. You know how some people just kind of, like, have that thing. And it was definitely his clothes that were lighting up rooms in the disco era. So Stephen's work is kind of known to be bright and slinky. And so we were so pleased to get the chance to meet him in person and in the studio back in October of 2019.
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Cassidy Zachary
Yes, Stephen was an absolute pleasure to talk to, as was it speaking to his model and muse, Pat Cleveland, who has been on the show not once, but twice in 2019. September 17th, we did the Joy of Fashion with Pat Cleveland and learned about her, how she became a fashion model in the 60s and, you know, really her meteoric rise to success. She modeled for Everybody in the 60s, 70s, I mean, into today. She still models today. And in the top of this season, January 25th, we opened our fifth season with an interview with Pat Cleveland about the magic of 1970s fashion. I mean, talk about joy. That is infectious. Pat reminds me, and I'm sure all of our listeners, why we love fashion. So if you want to check out those episodes and be inspired, those are definitely a good place to head back to.
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April Callahan
Yes, as well. You should definitely, if you have not already, tune into our episode with living legend Hamish Bowles. He won the only fashion historian, couture collector, museum curator, author, Vogue international editor at large. Is there anything that Hamish doesn't do? But he joined us actually, in November of 2020 to chat with us about his childhood origins for his passion for fashion history. You know, he came to this quite young, and his career path seemed to kind of just be all straight out ahead of him. He knew exactly what he wanted to do. So he takes us through some of those building blocks of his extraordinary life and career. And, you know, Hamish has invited us to come out and see his collection, Cass, and we have yet to take him up on that, so maybe we should do so.
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Cassidy Zachary
Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Anytime. Hamish, if you're out there listening, we would love to take you up on that. Yeah, that was such a fun interview and so moving. I think that's one of those interviews where, like, we all Cried. You know, it's like people who are so inspired by fashion and have a passion for it. I mean, that's the reason we do what we do. So such a joy. And then one of my all time most memorable interviews has to be with Supreme Glamour, an interview with Mary Wilson. She of course has since passed and it was such an honor to be able to interview her and speak with her because not only is she part of the legendary girl group the Supremes, she also became the archivist of their performance wear. And so she really tracked down a lot of their clothing that had been dispersed over the year. And she really created this incredibly beautiful archive and then produced this incredibly beautiful book, again, something you could ask for for Christmas because it's just drop dead gorgeous. All of these costumes and performance outfits that they wore. And she was just a lovely human. And it was just again so inspiring to talk to someone who has such a seismic impact on not just fashion history, but also popular culture at large. And then again, I just want to say one of my all time favorite interviews was Finding Beauty, an interview with photographer Tony Vaccaro, who had an 80 year career as a photographer. Again like Gordon Parks, one of those people who wasn't specifically a fashion photographer but who worked within the medium. Tony was a World War II combat soldier turned fashion photographer in the post World War II era because he wanted to forget all of that horror and sought beauty. And he found beauty in fashion and women modeling fashion. And April, Tony is turning 100 this year.
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April Callahan
I know it's very soon December.
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Cassidy Zachary
He was born December 20, 1922. And in celebration, the Monroe Gallery of Photography, who represents his work, Tony and his work, will present two major exhibitions celebrating his birthday. Tony Vaccaro, the centennial exhibition opened in Santa Fe and is up now and
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April Callahan
coming soon to New York. Also, the Monroe Gallery on Spring street will open an exhibition of Tony's work on December 13th and that is going to run through the 18th. Tony will be there in attendance for a private reception on Thursday, December 14 from 5 to 7. If you would like to stop by and wish him happy hundredth birthday, which I will be doing.
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Cassidy Zachary
I was hoping you would say that. Give him my love.
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April Callahan
If you go, I will for sure. So for the past week we've actually given you, I don't know at this point, probably dozens of recommendations to choose from. This is just the tip of the iceberg in terms of our back catalog. You know, maybe we have spoken about some 30 or so. That's only, you know, 10% of the episodes that we have, we have produce. There's many more to come. So also too, I just want to say if you're a past dressed guest and we didn't mention your episode, please, that is not some shade that, that, that has no meaning behind it. We literally just could not mention nearly 400 episodes. So those are just some kind of teasers to get you started in a way that we feel like would be representing the show in a well rounded way.
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Cassidy Zachary
Yes, absolutely. Didn't even remotely touch on all our episodes. So hopefully you just kind of got a taste of, of what you have to listen to and you know what dress listeners. We have another week, I think of episodes we're working on winding down this season and we'll take a little break and then we'll be coming back in January 2023 with a brand new season. We can kind of give you some hints, April, if you want to, about what to expect from this upcoming season.
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April Callahan
For sure, expect to hear from Elizabeth Way again. She joined us in the past to chat about fashion designer Scott Berry. But Liz will be joining us again to chat about her upcoming exhib Fresh fly and fabulous 50 years of hip Hop Style which is opening in February at the Museum at fit.
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Cassidy Zachary
Yeah, and another exhibition that we will be covering with my dear friend Clarissa Esguera is the LACMA exhibition Lee Alexander McQueen mind mythos muse. We've never done an episode on Alexander McQueen which is just insane because he's a designer you and I both love. But you can expect that early in season six as well.
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April Callahan
Oh, and just note if for any of our listeners down under, Clarissa is going to be speaking specifically about the incarnation of that exhibition which was at LACMA this past summer. It is actually an expanded, slightly different exhibition is up now at the National Gallery of Turia in Melbourne. So if you are there, go check that out. Hey, to Katie, Dani and Clarissa at ngv.
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Cassidy Zachary
And then you know, just kind of hints. We're gonna have episodes on African, Lebanese and Chinese fashion history. Maybe we'll get a Silk Road episode in there too, April. I mean, truth be told, we do not have all 90 something episodes plotted out for our seasons, but we do have ideas about what we want to talk about.
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April Callahan
Yes, I definitely want to do an episode on the Sorry Coming season six as well as listener requests on Doc Martens, which I wear frequently. So that will be fun. Also, we've never talked about the occasion. I don't even wanna know if I really wanna call it an occasion. I guess it's more of Like a traveling exhibition Theatre de la Mode. Oh yeah, that happened right after World War II. I keep promising my episode on Issey Miyake that will come season six also, and I have not yet asked this guest but I'm crossing my fingers that she will say yes. I would love to do an episode with Francesca Cartier Briquel on the history of because she just released a book on that recently.
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Cassidy Zachary
Ooh, so many interesting episodes to come. I can hint at a couple that I will be working on currently in the works. I have an episode with a Halston archivist who also happened to be his model, muse and dear friend that's working in the works. Hint, hint. I have an episode with a four time Academy Award winning costume and production designer who just designed another epic biopic on a certain 1950s 60s 70s music sensation. Cough, Elvis cough. That's gonna be an exciting episode to look forward to. But yeah, so so many episodes coming your way in season six Dressed Listeners and including two more episodes of season five. So don't fret yet. We are not quite done, but we are close.
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April Callahan
Yes, yes. So Cass and I just also wanna say a huge thank you to all of you because without you all this would not be happening. So you have given us the opportunity to chat about the things that we love about for five years now. We couldn't do it without you. Thank you so much. We're not saying goodbye just yet, it's just we're wrapping it all up.
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Cassidy Zachary
Yeah. Thank you to all of our listeners who make this possible. Thank you to all our listeners who reach out to us through DM and email. We do our absolute best to respond to all of you even though it's not always possible. But yeah, we love you. Thank you so much for making this possible. And April, thank you for being my fashion history ride or die all of these years. A decade now.
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April Callahan
A full decade. It's officially a full decade at this point.
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Cassidy Zachary
Well, that does it for us today dressed listeners. May you reflect on what you love about getting and learning about getting dressed. Next time you get dressed,
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April Callahan
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Cassidy Zachary
And remember, we always love hearing from you. So if you'd like to write to us, you can do so@hellorusthistory.com DressedHistory.com is also our website where you can sign up for our monthly newsletter, our in person tours and online fashion history courses. And you can check out whatever else we have up our finely tailored sleeves.
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April Callahan
We get so many questions from you all about our recommendations for fashion history books, so if you are interested you can always find a link in our show Notes to our Bookshop Bookshelf. So that address is bookshop.org shop dress and there you can find over 150 of our favorite fashion history titles.
- [35:07]
Cassidy Zachary
And do you love dress but want to skip the ads? You can now sign up for ad free listening with any tier on our Dressed History Patreon.
- [35:14]
April Callahan
We are also excited to to now be part of the Airwave Network and their premium ad free history subscription Airwave History plus available on Apple Podcasts. The subscription brings dress and also 27 other popular history podcasts ad free for just $5.99 per month. More information on Patreon and Airwave is available at the link in our bio.
- [35:38]
Cassidy Zachary
Thank you as always for tuning in and more Dress comes your way very soon. The History of Fashion is a production of Dress Media. Sick of those trivia podcasts that you don't even understand how to operate and they just have too many levers and buttons.
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April Callahan
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Cassidy Zachary
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- [36:30]
April Callahan
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