In this profound conversation, Malisa Hepner and Emma Lyons delve into the complexities of covert and malignant narcissism and the pervasive role of shame throughout history. They explore how shame has been used as a tool of control—woven into families, institutions, and culture—and how these inherited patterns shape our self-worth and relationships. Through compassionate dialogue, they illuminate the path of healing, inviting listeners to dismantle internalized narcissistic voices and step into authentic self-trust and freedom.

Reflect on where shame first entered your story—whether through family, culture, or belief systems. Notice how it still speaks through your inner voice today. With each moment of awareness, you loosen shame’s grip and make room for a deeper truth: you were never meant to carry its weight.

Emma's links: FREE guide: "5 Signs You Need to Break Up with Your Inner Narcissist, Website, Insta, Youtube, Substack

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Unmasking Shame: Healing from Covert and Malignant Narcissism