Therapist and host, Malisa Hepner, sits down with clinical psychologist, Dr. Shannon Sauer-Zavala, to explore the truth about personality, emotional patterns, and the myths that keep people feeling stuck. Together, they discuss how personality traits are more flexible than we've been taught, why traditional mental health labels can sometimes miss the bigger picture, and how understanding your patterns can lead to lasting healing and personal growth. This conversation offers a grounded and hopeful perspective on change, self-awareness, and the future of mental health treatment.

Pay attention to the patterns you've labeled as "just who I am." Instead of treating them as permanent personality traits, begin asking: What purpose is this pattern serving, and is it still helping me? Awareness creates the possibility for change.

* Emotionally Unavailable is produced 100% in-house. No team, just me and my love for yapping and helping others. If this show has ever helped you in any way, here is your chance to help it keep going strong. Subscribe to the patreon, grab some merch or get a workbook! I appreciate you all.

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Shannon's links: Personality test, Website, Insta, Pre-order book