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BITESIZE | A Monk’s Guide To Finding Happiness, Cultivating Inner Peace & Slowing Down In A Fast-Paced World | Haemin Sunim #546
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Today’s guest asks an important question: What if finding joy lies in life’s simple moments?
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Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
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Haemin Sunim
I think oftentimes people imagine that they will finally feel happy and I'll be able to relax only when I achieve some monumental goals in my life, such as maybe marrying somebody, love of your life, or buying your first home, or getting promoted to the position that you really want. But while you are getting there, you also have to live your life and it usually takes a long time to arrive at your goal. So I think it's important we look for what I would call small but certain happiness. This is not my idea. This is an idea that many people propose. But I think it is so important to look for something that's going to for sure make you happy and then do it again and again and again.
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Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
Just speaking to what you just said now, it's just so simple. You say this for some, the fragrant smell of freshly made morning coffee is a time of peace and happiness, while for others it could be the warmth of the sun on their face, the sight of spring flowers, the feel of a cozy blanket on a chilly day, or simply spending time with their dog or cat after work. Now here's the thing Haman. A lot of people listening are experiencing those things every day, but many won't have Put the spotlight of gratitude onto them. So let's say someone has got half an hour to get up and get ready for work and get the kids off to school or whatever it might be. They might make their morning coffee rush and slurp it down whilst also getting things ready for work. Right. So they've still had the experience of drinking freshly made morning coffee, but the intention behind it is very different.
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Haemin Sunim
Right, right. So it takes only 10 seconds. That is, wait, I'm just going to actually enjoy the smell of freshly made coffee. You know, this intentions. And then you pause a little bit and then you re engage with the experience and from that moment you say, wow, this is happiness. Rather than searching for some big things in your life, big success, to be happy. Maybe this is what I was after.
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Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
I like the idea that it only takes 10 seconds or even 5 seconds. Sure. You're in a rush in the morning, just take a simple pause, 30 seconds, smell the coffee, quite literally, let it tickle your senses. You know, just that act. You're just starting to open up the door to appreciation, aren't you? Right again. One of the reasons I feel, generally speaking, so calm and content these days and, dare I say it, happy, is because I believe that. And you write about this idea in your book, that where you put your focus, that's what starts to grow.
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Haemin Sunim
Absolutely, yes. So I think we have to make a decision. We have to decide to appreciate our lives. We have to decide to enjoy this moment. You know, once you decided that I'm going to enjoy this moment, it makes it much easier to appreciate things. Without that intention, it's hard. You know, the life just passes by and without really, you know, becoming aware of what we are having it.
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Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
I love that. Let's just pause on that for a moment. You're saying you have to decide that you are going to enjoy the moment that's about to be there in front of you right now. I think many people believe that the moment will determine whether I feel enjoyment. If it is a fun and enjoyable moment, I will feel happy. If it is a negative moment, I will feel negative and sad. But you are saying something completely different, which is before the moment arises, you have to positively decide, I am going to enjoy it.
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Haemin Sunim
Yes, because if you are just reacting, you are the victim. You will become the victim of the situation. And you are, you know, there are a lot of things that's happening to you and you'll be pulled, you know, towards many different directions. However, I think we have to be proactive, you know, rather than Being reactive. So once you decide you know how you're going to do or how you're going to feel, then oftentime that's the experience you're going to have.
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Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
Yeah. There's also this lovely concept of appreciation versus ownership that you write about. If you view happiness as a matter of appreciation rather than ownership, many things you can't own, such as the sunlight in your room, the laughter of children, a loving embrace, the colors of autumn foliage, a stunning sunset, the soothing sounds of music at night, the triumph of your favorite sports team, these things can bring happiness into your life. The important thing is whether you can slow down and appreciate life. I really like that. It's the same ideas that we've just been talking about, but it's a really peaceful concept. Think about the things that you can't own. That's really nice. It's a really nice place to put your focus on, I think.
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Haemin Sunim
Yes. I think we need to shift our idea away from ownership to appreciations. You know, when it comes to happiness, there are lots and lots of things in our lives we cannot own, you know, even if we own something. But in the grand scheme of things, we are just temporarily, you know, caretaking or guarding, you know, whatever that is. It can be very expensive, you know, paintings or, you know, whatever. So at the end, it's a matter of, you know, appreciations. If you, if you own wonderful things, if you are not appreciating, then what's the point?
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Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
Yeah. Do you think being happy is our true nature?
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Haemin Sunim
Yes. People often think, you know, happiness means excitement. You know, when we are excited, then we feel happy. But if we want everlasting happiness, then excitement, you cannot sustain it for a long time. It fades, it disappears. So what we really want is some quality of peace in happiness. Experience. Happy experience. So our true nature, I believe, is in a state of peace. And when we are not trying to go somewhere or arrive at other places. And yet you are relaxed here and now, and you are content with what you already have, or you feel grateful for what you already have, then that's where the happiness lives. Rather than constantly trying to go somewhere. Like what you said earlier. When I was younger, I thought that by going abroad, that's where happiness will reside, or by trying to have some special kind of enlightenment experience. For me, it was then I will finally be able to feel happiness. Then later I realized that the very seeking of those experience, the very trying to go away from right now, right here, that was the cause of unhappiness.
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Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
Yeah, I love that. I also Love. What you said about the seeking off happiness is fundamentally flawed. And so if someone asked you, how do you know when you're happy? What answer would you give?
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Haemin Sunim
I think gratitude, you know, is another name for happiness. As I was coming to see you, I was inside in a train and looking out, beautiful countryside of the, you know, the United Kingdom. And I was thinking to myself, this is wonderful. You know, I get to have this, you know, beautiful experience. And I feel very grateful for the opportunity. And as I was tapping into the gratitude, I felt really happy. So when we are practicing gratitude, we are happy at where we are. We are not trying to grasp onto something that we don't have or resisting what we already have. Instead, we are just thankful for where we are. And I think that's where happiness resides. You can just start with just a small thing in your life and as you are counting your blessing, and you will see that more opportunities, unexpected opportunities will come to you.
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Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
Yeah, it's a practice, isn't it? It's something you get better at the more you do right.
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Haemin Sunim
Generally speaking, when we think about things, we always think about negative things, problems that we have to deal with or the task that I have to finish. So thereby we feel a lot of stress. However, when we practice gratitude, rather than going into that thinking mind, we are actually looking for what is there to feel grateful for at this moment because we are practicing this gratitude.
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Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
One of the other lines that resonated with me in your new book was this. If you can control your ambition, you won't overextend yourself. If you do not overextend, you will not harm your health. If your health is good, your mind becomes balanced easily. If your mind is balanced, you will find happiness in little things. It's this beautiful loop where everything feeds each other. But that first bit, I think is key. If you can control your ambition, you won't overextend yourself. And often burnout comes as a consequence of unchecked ambition. How do you control your ambition?
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Haemin Sunim
People tend to have this imagination that once I achieve such and such, then my life will have worth. I'll be worthy. But investigate where that feeling of lack, feeling of insufficiency is coming from. You imagine that it is the outside achievement is going to make you feel that you are finally worthy. But maybe it is unloved and uncared. Past experience, you know, while growing up, maybe that is like, you know, a little child within you. It is still asking you to pay attention to me more, you know. So rather than zeroing on it just outside goals to make you feel like finally, maybe I am somebody, you know, you can just go directly to the source, you know, what is the very force that keeps on making me work, I don't know, like, you know, 80 hours or 100 hours a week, you know, while not spending any time at all with my family, you know, or close friends. So I think it's important to check your own ambitions and see people around you, you know, and if you are maintaining, you know, harmonious relationship with them, because at the end, you want to be happy together, you know, you don't want to be just happy by yourself.
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Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
Yeah. Yeah. When I was researching your own story, one of the things that resonated with me the most was something that I also discovered early on in my career as a doctor, which was the power of listening. And you tell the story. I've heard you tell the story that when you were a monk, suddenly people would come up to you and ask you all kinds of things afterwards that you didn't feel equipped to answer. But you learned a powerful lesson, didn't you?
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Haemin Sunim
Yes.
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Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
Could you share that? I think it's so powerful, and I think it's so applicable to all of us.
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Haemin Sunim
I think most people, they just want to be heard, and they want somebody to dare to witness what's happening in their lives. And especially if the person is listening with sense of empathy, then you will feel a lot better afterwards you realize that you are not alone going through this very challenging experience in your life. And also, people already know the answer to their problem. It's just that in their head, it's disorganized and you are not actually asking the right questions, and therefore you think you don't know the answers. But as you are listening to what they have to say, as you are untangle your. What's happened, and you beginning to really see the answer that you've been seeking was right in front of you.
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Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
Yeah, I think that's one of the most powerful realizations I've had in my own career. And, I mean, I won't tell the story again because I've told it before on this podcast, but in my very first week as a gp, I learned that lesson when I didn't really know exactly what to do with a patient. So I just listened attentively and would see the patient back every week. And she got better because, as you said, she knew the answers, but what she didn't have in her life was someone who she could talk to and open up to, and they weren't Gonna judge her. And I think you said, also, you've mentioned it, you wrote about it in the book, how sometimes that's the role a therapist will play where people can actually speak, get in touch with their emotions, express them without fear of judgment or being cut off. And you often find those answers yourself. I think it also speaks to this idea, one of the central ideas in your work in Buddhist philosophy, that all the answers are within. The happiness is already there. We're not looking for it outside. We just need to get out of.
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Haemin Sunim
Its way and relax into it.
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Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
And relax into it. But of course that's difficult for people when they're feeling rushed all the time and stressed all the time. And you know, you literally see the world differently when you're rushing. You covered that in one of your previous books, didn't you?
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Haemin Sunim
Right. You know, people love the title, you know, things you can see only when you slow down, you know.
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Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
Great title.
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Haemin Sunim
Yeah. I think we need to just periodically pause and see if you can slow down. And when we are slowing down, then we can actually see and appreciate our life that is quickly passing in front of us.
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Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
Yeah, that's what I think a lot of these practices do a gratitude practice or just taking 10, 15 seconds to smell that fresh tea or that fresh coffee and let the aroma go into you and surround you. I think one of the things it does if you're leading a busy life is number one, it forces you to slow down. But number two, it reminds you what the feeling of slow feels like.
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Haemin Sunim
Yeah.
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Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
You had the great fortune of spending some time with the great Thich Nhat Thanh. Could you share some of the key things you learned from him with us?
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Haemin Sunim
I loved his walking meditations. You know, he said walk as though your feet are, you know, kissing the earth. To me, that teaching was such a powerful, you know, one, because we often just think about, I get to, I have to arrive at a certain place and without paying attention to actual process of walking itself. And instead, can you just say, I'm going to enjoy my walking, you know, I'm going to kiss the earth as I am taking my step. I think that's a really wonderful way to start our day.
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Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
Very mindful, very present, very evocative thought. Kissing the earth as you walk. Hope you enjoyed that bite sized clip. Do spread the love by sharing this episode episode with your friends and family. And if you want more, why not go back and listen to the original full conversation with my guest. If you enjoyed this episode, I think you will really enjoy my bite sized Friday email. It's called the Friday five, and each week I share things that I do not share on social media. It contains five short doses of positivity, articles or books that I'm reading, quotes that I'm thinking about, exciting research I've come across, and so much more. I really think you're going to love it. The goal is for it to be a small, yet powerful dose of feel Good. To get you ready for the weekend, you can sign up for it free of charge@drchatterjee.com Friday 5 Hope you have a wonderful weekend. Make sure you have pressed subscribe and I'll be back next week with my long Friday form conversation on Wednesday and the latest episode of Bite Science next Friday.