Forever35 Podcast Episode 332: "Makeup Is A Visual Language with Rachel Goodwin"

Release Date: December 9, 2024

Hosts: Doree Shafrir & Elise Hu
Guest: Rachel Goodwin, Celebrity Makeup Artist

Introduction

In Episode 332 of Forever35, co-hosts Doree Shafrir and Elise Hu delve into the intricate world of makeup and its role as a visual language with the esteemed makeup artist Rachel Goodwin. This episode navigates through clean beauty choices, makeup techniques tailored for mature skin, and fostering healthy conversations about makeup with younger generations.

Clean Beauty: Navigating Choices and Dupes

The conversation kicks off with a discussion about popular cleansers, specifically Youth to the People's Superfood Cleanser. Elise shares her experiences with various cleansers, highlighting the challenges of transitioning to new formulas:

Elise Hu [02:02]: "I don't own it, but I was at Trader Joe's and I think they created a dupe for it... It's great because I've been a devotee of the Clean and Clear."

Doree responds by exploring the origins of Youth to the People and its relationship with Trader Joe's offerings:

Doree Shafrir [04:01]: "According to this blog post, it's the other way around. One followed the other timing. Yes. Wow, that's kind of interesting."

Rachel Goodwin adds her expertise by recommending brands that balance performance with clean ingredients:

Rachel Goodwin [15:14]: "Brands like Ilia and Monastery have done a really good job of creating a really sweet little niche where it's like performance and natural."

Notably, Rachel emphasizes the importance of choosing clean products without compromising efficacy, especially for lipsticks and body products:

Rachel Goodwin [18:07]: "Lipstick, for sure... I love brands like Kosas, Ilia, and Tata Harper that make it well."

Skincare Essentials: Moisturizers and Hand Creams

The hosts transition to skincare, discussing moisturizers suitable for different seasons and skin sensitivities. Doree praises Dime Beauty’s moisturizers for their balanced hydration:

Doree Shafrir [04:35]: "I like a day cream that is moisturizing without being too thick or greasy... the Dime one strikes that balance quite well."

Elise and Doree also share their favorite hand creams, emphasizing the importance of fragrance-free options for sensitive skin:

Elise Hu [06:24]: "I really like this Evolve Together stuff. Also, it smells so good."

Rachel recommends specific products for maintaining skin hydration without traditional serums:

Rachel Goodwin [35:38]: "I love the Jouer barrier cream and the brand Chuda for sealing in moisture without adding more products."

Expert Insights with Rachel Goodwin

Rachel Goodwin, renowned for her work with celebrities like Emma Stone and Priyanka Chopra, shares her extensive knowledge on makeup tailored for mature skin. She offers actionable advice on selecting and applying makeup to enhance natural beauty without overcomplicating routines.

Under-Eye Makeup for Over 40s

A listener's question about under-eye makeup leads Rachel to discuss strategies for minimizing fine lines and dark circles:

Rachel Goodwin [19:41]: "Use products with potent, hydrating formulas that act as both treatment and concealer... Sarah Creel’s under-eye cream with tint is fantastic."

Rachel emphasizes a minimalistic approach to application:

Rachel Goodwin [20:50]: "I dot it right on the actual bone... Keep the bulk of the application on the inside into the middle of the eye."

Conversations About Makeup with Tweens

Addressing parental concerns, Rachel and Elise discuss fostering healthy makeup habits in young girls. They emphasize open communication and education over strict restrictions:

Elise Hu [23:08]: "They're educated about what they are seeing and kind of savvy about that... Keeping the lines of communication open."

Rachel adds her perspective on makeup as a form of self-expression balanced with societal pressures:

Rachel Goodwin [27:46]: "Makeup can be a form of self-expression... but we shouldn't message that there's something wrong with you. Fix it."

Modernizing Your Makeup Look

For listeners looking to refresh their makeup routines, Rachel offers tips on updating looks to stay contemporary while maintaining personal style:

Rachel Goodwin [42:03]: "Trends are up for grabs... strong block brows and hard creases are looking dated. Embrace signature elements that work for you."

Practical Tips and Product Recommendations

Throughout the episode, Rachel provides specific product recommendations and application techniques tailored to mature skin:

• Concealers: Kevin Aucoin Skin Enhancer and Makeup Forever’s HD Foundation Powder for high coverage without heaviness.
• Skin Tints vs. BB Creams: Rachel explains that skin tints offer lighter coverage compared to BB creams, allowing for more natural looks without heavy layers.

Rachel Goodwin [33:07]: "Skin tints have very little coverage... Foundation is great if you want more coverage."

Personal Reflections and Intentions

In the closing segment, Doree and Elise share their personal intentions for the upcoming weeks, focusing on reflection and self-care amidst the holiday rush. This segment encourages listeners to balance productivity with mindfulness:

Doree Shafrir [49:43]: "My intention is to reflect and maybe journal and look back on the year in a more holistic way."

Elise adds her experience with adjusting fitness routines and the importance of listening to one’s body:

Elise Hu [50:07]: "My shoulder dislocated again... Now I'm on rest. It’s about reflecting on 2024."

Conclusion

Episode 332 of Forever35 masterfully intertwines expert makeup advice with personal anecdotes, offering listeners a comprehensive guide to navigating beauty and self-care in their mid-40s and beyond. Rachel Goodwin's insights empower listeners to embrace their unique beauty while making informed, clean beauty choices.

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Notable Quotes:

• Elise Hu [02:02]: "I don't own it, but I was at Trader Joe's and I think they created a dupe for it..."
• Rachel Goodwin [15:14]: "Brands like Ilia and Monastery have done a really good job of creating a really sweet little niche where it's like performance and natural."
• Rachel Goodwin [18:07]: "Lipstick, for sure... I love brands like Kosas, Ilia, and Tata Harper that make it well."
• Rachel Goodwin [33:07]: "Skin tints have very little coverage... Foundation is great if you want more coverage."
• Rachel Goodwin [42:03]: "Trends are up for grabs... strong block brows and hard creases are looking dated."

*Stay tuned for more episodes of Forever35 as Doree and Elise continue to explore self-care, beauty, and aging gracefully with wisdom and humor.