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Dory Shafrir
You know, a lot of people hear LA or Los Angeles and think only of the celebrities here and the movies that are made here. But there's so much more to love about the city I call home now. From walk up windows and rooftop bars to year round al fresco dining, Los Angeles is a culinary thrill ride sure to leave visitors hungry for more tacos or sushi, Brazilian or Korean food from anywhere in the world can be found right here in la. And when you're done eating, there's shopping or there's hikes all around la. Or just get a taste for fame firsthand by attending a star ceremony on Hollywood Boulevard. Catch a glimpse behind the scenes at a world famous studio tour. Need a breather? Don't forget to stop in your tracks and look up. Soak in our legendary blue sky. That's the light that inspires directors around the world. We love LA. Find more ways to love LA@discover LA.com if you, like me, are looking to give your daily summer uniform an upgrade. I really recommend checking out Quint's. Their pieces are easy, elevated and somehow make me feel more put together without even trying. I'm excited to try some hundred percent European linen shorts and dresses from just $30 this summer. I mean, is there anything more chic than being just effortlessly cool in the midst of a heat wave? Plus they've luxe swimwear, Italian leather platform sandals and so much more available on their site. I'm also about to pull trigger on their 100% organic cotton poplin Pintuck maxi skirt which looks like the perfect lightweight, stylish skirt for summer. And I feel like I'm going to wear this all the time. Everything with quince is priced 50 to 80% less than what you'd find at similar brands. By working directly with top artisans, Quint gives you luxury without the markup. And Quint only works with factories that use safe, ethical and responsible manufacturing practices and premium fabrics and finishes. Treat your closet to a little summer glow. Up with quints go to quince.com Forever35 for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns. That's Q-U-I-N C E.com Forever35 to get free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince.com Forever35 hello and welcome to Forever35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I'm Dory Shafrier.
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Elise Hu
And I'm Elise Hu and we are two friends who like to talk a lot about serums and this is a really Special episode.
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Kate Spencer
Dor.
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Dory Shafrir
I was gonna say the same thing. A really special episode.
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Elise Hu
You probably can already see from the episode title. Who is the guest.
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Dory Shafrir
Yes.
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Elise Hu
On today's show. But, gosh, this is episode 354, which means for about 300 of these main episodes, Kate was the one in my seat co hosting with you.
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Dory Shafrir
Yes. And I still, like, I. I was trying to remember Elise, and maybe you remember more clearly, but before I asked you if you would be willing to try being co hosts, like, we had. We had gotten lunch, Right. Like, I think as. As you generally do, you're very good about, like, making new friends and reaching out to people. And so we had had lunch, and I was like, oh, this woman's so cool. We should be friends. And then when Kate said she was leaving, it, it was a little random, but I just had this vibe that it would work because, like, we were friendly, but we. We weren't.
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Elise Hu
Yeah, but I'm, like, outer circle friend. Yeah.
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Dory Shafrir
Yeah, exactly.
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Elise Hu
So we knew each other from other friends, right?
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Dory Shafrir
Exactly. Exactly. And I. I just. I just liked how both of us were. I think we were both very, like, open and transparent from the beginning of, like, hey, if this isn't working, like, we're just gonna call it, and, like, that's fine. But I think both of us were like, oh, hey, this is kind of. This is good. This is a good thing. And also, like, you were not like, Kate part two. And, you know, I think that was important to me to both sort of, like, honor the legacy of Kate and acknowledge that, like, we had our own thing, and then now we have this other thing. And, you know, Kate and I are still friends. Like, we still see each other. We still text almost every day. Like, we are still good friends. There is no, like, podcast drama. I definitely think there was, like, a subset of listeners who sort of, like, wanted there to be podcast drama, because I think there have been a lot of podcast co hosts who have either stopped doing the show or one has left. I mean, like, call her daddy.
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Elise Hu
Like, call her daddy. Famously.
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Dory Shafrir
Famously. Huge breakup, Right? And we were just sort of like, no. Like, that's. That's, like, actually not what happened. And. Yeah. And now Kate has a new book out, so it was. And it was funny because her new book is coming out, like, pretty much a year to the day after she stopped doing the podcast. So it seemed like this perfect opportunity to get to talk to her. And I remember right before you started, we had you on the show to kind of introduce you to the listeners and now it's sort of like this nice full circle moment where we're like having Kate back on the show.
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Elise Hu
Yeah. Yeah. It felt so great just to talk with Kate and hear what's been going on with her life. I know a lot of listeners have been like, what's up with Kate? What is she doing? And she's been keeping up a newsletter which I subscribe to. And then she's active on TikTok, so we do see some bits of Kate. But this is a concentrated near hour long conversation with Kate. And so we're really delighted and excited for you to hear it. And we just had a good time. Like, I wish that Kate hadn't retired for a lot of reasons, but mainly because I would have liked to drop in, you know, and so I.
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Dory Shafrir
Totally, totally, totally.
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Elise Hu
So y' all are gonna love this. And we're so glad that she was willing to do it. And we even joked at the end that we'd like her to have her residency here at Forever35, like a May residency where annually she can come come back around the anniversary of her retirement, whether she has a book to talk about or not. But we do get into her book All's Fair and Love and Pickleball, which I just tour through on a flight.
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Dory Shafrir
Back to New York. And of course for me, you know, the tennis player. And you're a tennis player too. I mean, all the, all the tennis pickleball stuff I think is so, is so funny and, and well done and it's such a great enemies to lovers and fake dating story. And we get into that in our, in our chat with her. So I think Kate really doesn't need an introduction. So I'm not going to like read her bio, but I am just going to remind everyone Our website is forever35podcast.com there's links there to everything we mentioned on the show. We are on Instagram at february35podcast. Our patreon is@patreon.com forever35. We do our casual chats weekly. We do our pop culture episodes monthly. There's just like a lot of fun extra stuff going with forever 35 questionnaires that we just added a couple fun new questions to.
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Elise Hu
Yes, yes.
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Dory Shafrir
So it's good stuff. Our favorite products are at shopmy us forever35. Our newsletter is at forever35podcast.com newsletter and you can call or text us at 781-591-0390 and email us at forever35podcastmail.com we.
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Elise Hu
Love your calls and emails, so keep Those coming in, there's a few call outs right now from our latest mini episode for products and recommendations from you all. So yes, check those out and then call or text us.
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Dory Shafrir
Please do. All right. And here is Kate. Oh my God. Kate Spencer. Welcome back to Forever 35.
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Elise Hu
Welcome back.
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Dory Shafrir
What a pleasure.
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Kate Spencer
Oh, it feels so good. We're all in our big headphones.
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Elise Hu
It's been about a year since you were last on Forever 35.
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Kate Spencer
Almost exactly. Yeah, I think so.
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Elise Hu
It's like possibly exactly the one year anniversary of your retirement.
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Kate Spencer
I mean, may I celebrate retirements with a yearly podcast interview every year? I don't know. Yes, you may.
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Dory Shafrir
We can put this on the calendar every May recurring.
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Kate Spencer
It's right around your birthday too, Dory. So I feel like I have. It is. So this is truly my gift to you.
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Elise Hu
Yes. A gift of time and attention and talent is actually the best kind of gift.
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Kate Spencer
Come on. That's very nice.
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Elise Hu
Thank you for coming back.
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Dory Shafrir
As you know, we start off by asking all of our guests about a self care practice that they have.
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Kate Spencer
I truly forgot that. Okay, I have, I have plenty to talk about because I have been mentally preparing for this conversation and thinking about what self care looks like for me right now. Should I share one?
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Elise Hu
Yes, please, please.
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Kate Spencer
Okay. I really, I have been strength training more like three, two to three times a week for the last, I would say almost two years. And I really love it now seeing as I have a book about pickleball coming out. I probably should have said pickleball, which also is self care. But I, I have really taken to strength training and I find it extremely satisfying learning how to do it properly, like without injury and keeping track of like my, my weights for like the larger movements, like the amount that I do and noticing when it goes up or if it stays the same and why that is just, it's been really. Just like the feeling of getting physically stronger has been really cool. It really does help me mentally to kind of exert that physical energy. But the slow movement of weightlifting, like, I just, I just. It's hard and sometimes it frustrates me, but I really enjoy it. I would be sad if I wasn't doing it.
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Elise Hu
How are you maintaining your practice? Do you have like a trainer or are you taking some sort of powerlifting class?
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Kate Spencer
I have a friend of mine is a trainer and she teaches small group classes out of her garage. So I go there. So it's with a small group of people, which is also very fun because I am an extrovert who works alone and so I get very antsy not being around people. And I. I actually have really, like, missed, like, part of not doing the podcast is like, I'm not talking to anybody on a regular basis anymore. And that's been very lonely. And I've had to, like, figure out how to socialize. So I do. So I work out with a trainer and she's all. And she's wonderful. And it's just been, like, very thoughtful.
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Dory Shafrir
Do you feel like your strength training is sort of like helping you physically in other areas?
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Kate Spencer
Okay, Dory. Yes, I do. Well, I was like, I've got it. In order to, like, play pickleball more than once a week, I want to be physically strong to do it. Right. That's something that's important to me. I also just, like, want to be able to move through the world in a way where my body doesn't hurt. Like, that's kind of in my mid-40s where I'm at. Right. Like, I want to be able to just be able to get up out of bed and not have my back hurt. And I've started running again. And I do feel like endurance wise. And also just things like my ankles being stronger. It has helped with that sort of thing as well. And I can just like, I can like, lift up, you know, I wanted to be able to like, lift up my very overpacked carry on bag and put it into the overhead compartment without straining or feeling like I needed to ask someone to help me.
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Elise Hu
Right?
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Dory Shafrir
Yes, yes. And that is those kinds of things that, like, you don't even really think about as being benefits of doing something like strength training. But then you're like, oh, I can lift my bag.
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Kate Spencer
That is like. And also like the groceries or when I go to Costco, for example, and you put a ton of heavily heavy canned goods in one of those, like, big Costco boxes, which seems practical when you're checking out, but then you get to your car and you're like, how do I get this out, out? And that is another time when it has come into play. It's all about my suitcase and Costco.
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Dory Shafrir
Okay, we're going to return to Costco later.
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Kate Spencer
We are. Okay.
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Dory Shafrir
We are.
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Kate Spencer
My sister and Costco Elise over there.
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Dory Shafrir
Yes, yes.
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Elise Hu
We'll keep listeners listening till the end of the episode.
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Kate Spencer
Keep them on the edge of their seats for Costco content.
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Dory Shafrir
Keep them on the hook.
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Elise Hu
Okay, let's take a break and we will be right back.
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Dory Shafrir
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Dory Shafrir
Kate this is a very broad question that, okay, just answer it however you wish but just sort of generally like what has postpod life been like for you?
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Kate Spencer
So you know, I have, I've received this question a lot because I, I like posed like I said, like you know, ask me questions and I'll record a little podcast on my newsletter and I haven't answered this one yet because I knew I was coming on here first. I was just like Made kind of random audio recordings over in my newsletter. And this was a question that people had asked me a lot. So here is what I've been up to for the last year. I've been working on this book, and I was. When the podcast ended, I was heavy into. I was in book promotion. So I have had a lot of writing work happening over the last year. So professionally, I would say that is what I've been up to. I have also, I think, been decompressing a bit. In terms of. One thing that I really felt kind of in the first month or so after stopping podcasting was that I had to rewire my brain to not think about everything through the lens of something I could share.
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Elise Hu
Mm.
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Kate Spencer
And that was very surprising to me that I. That. That, you know, I. Right after my podcast, end day, end date, I went to France with one of my best friends. And I was in France, and I had the best time, but it was very hard for me not to be like, oh, I'm here looking at, you know, the drugstore products. I could talk about this on the podcast. Or like, here I am. I gotta talk about how these shoes, you know, like, just my brain was wired to think about, yes, everything in terms of shareability, and that was kind of interesting. And I also, like, I enjoy sharing. So I was like, oh, this is, you know, how. What's my outlook going to be? But I was also. I had reached a point where I was kind of ready to be a more quiet person. So. But I had to, like, relearn how to do that a little bit. I've also been, you know, doing a lot of therapy work. I've been volunteering a lot more than I have been and parenting and just, I guess, just trying to take care of myself in this new iteration of my life.
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Elise Hu
Have you enjoyed it?
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Kate Spencer
Yes, I. I definitely went through a grieving process of, like, I miss the podcast and I miss this. And I, like, I. You grieve anything when something ends that's had a positive impact on your life. You know, there's a grieving process. So I had to kind of mourn for a little bit. Like, last summer, I was really kind of sad. Wait, you asked me, Elise, do I enjoy it? Do I miss what it is?
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Elise Hu
Have you enjoyed retirement? Yeah.
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Kate Spencer
Oh, retirement, yes.
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Elise Hu
It's my dream. So, you know, I'm just like, you know what?
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Kate Spencer
I realized how I was, like, really stretched really thin, and I was so burnt out. And last year I had a book come out and, like, the main character has burnout and as the book was coming out, I was like, oh, you ding dong. Like, you idiot, you wrote this whole book and these are all the things you were experiencing and you thought you were writing it. I thought I had been writing that book, that character's journey from a place of past experience. And I don't think I had realized how fried I was. And I was having a lot of kind of like health issues. And that's been another thing I've really focused on this year is like getting my health kind of balanced again. And so, and that has been like, positive. So I just don't think I had realized how, how I had burnt myself. Whatever. The candle was burned from both, at both ends. I was that. So in all those aspects, it's been a positive choice. But I still, you know, like, people will DM me on Instagram and be like, I'm free mugging in my car. And I'm like, I miss, I miss that kind of aspect of having a community because I think what is so great about the listeners of this podcast and also like the, the hosts is that sense of community is so unique. You don't really get that anywhere else. And as I mentioned, I'm an extrovert, so I've had to learn how to, I'm learning how to find community. And also I started playing mahjong and Dory taught me. Did teach you this time. I like, I followed through. Dory has taught me twice and I've really enjoyed learning how to play mahjong.
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Dory Shafrir
It's really fun. It's really fun. Also, Kate, you know, I've now taught, like, quite a few people how to play. And everyone when I start is like, this is too hard. I'm never going to get this, what the hell? And then like the light bulb goes off and then they're like, oh. And it clicks for them and they get it. And it usually happens like halfway through the first lesson. And it happened to Kate. I, like, watched it happen. She's like, oh, oh, yeah. Okay.
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Kate Spencer
You're a very, you're a very good teacher, I have to say. Like, you're, you're very. And I'm not just blowing smoke up your ass. I feel like I've already told you this, but you're very clear in your instructions are very clear. Your answers when people have questions are very like, you don't make it hard to learn. And you're also extremely patient because it's, it's a lot to have like a room of people being like, I don't get it? I just got it. What's this? Flower?
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Dory Shafrir
Yeah. Yeah.
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Kate Spencer
So I've really enjoyed learning it.
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Dory Shafrir
I'm so glad and I'm so glad that you have been playing and it's just such a fun game and I'm. Yeah, I'm really happy that you, that you have taken that on.
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Kate Spencer
Thank you. I owe it all to you.
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Dory Shafrir
And you and I, we need to play sometime.
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Kate Spencer
I mean, that sounds very intimidating, but I would try. I'm still, I'm still like a very, very basic beginner. I haven't, I haven't been like played in a game in like a month or two. But just the like way it makes your brain work. It's like your brain running a marathon by the end. I'm so tired.
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Elise Hu
Mahjong has hard to play. Well.
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Kate Spencer
Yes.
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Dory Shafrir
And I also love that it's an activity that like, you, you do need to like, really focus on. Like sometimes you see people, like looking at their phones during the game and they like something they miss a tile or, you know, and you're like, no, you need to like, put that phone away and just focus on the game. And I just like, I just love activities like that. But mahjong, I feel like mahjong is having a moment and pickleball is having a moment.
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Kate Spencer
Yeah, but tennis is also having a. Tennis is having like the biggest moment of all.
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Dory Shafrir
Moment. Yes. But as you know, tennis people and pickleball people were often at odds.
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Kate Spencer
Yeah. And now maybe this is a good time for me to call you out. You posted a salty pickleball comment on your Instagram stories and you didn't tag me. And I said, excuse me. And you were like, I knew you would see this. Do you remember this? It was a few weeks ago.
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Dory Shafrir
Yes, but I don't remember what it was. I like to sometimes be like, deliberately trolley about pickleball because I don't actually care. But I think it's funny, like the, the sort of rivalry quote unquote. And I love that you wrote a book just using this whole conflict as the basis of a great enemies to lovers story. So let's talk about your new book, All's Fair in Love and Pickleball. Also love the title. I feel like you had talked to me and a few of our other writer friends about the title a while ago and you hadn't quite landed on anything. And then next thing I know, you have this great title, so. Oh, I'm glad you found a great title. So, Kate, for the benefit of our listeners, because I believe this is coming out before your book actually comes out, so people can still pre order. For the benefit of our listeners who probably have not read the book, do you want to just kind of briefly give us an overview of the plot and like, how sexy would you rate it?
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Kate Spencer
Okay, all's fair in Love and Pickleball is a classic. Enemies to lovers or rivals to lovers. Fake dating romance.
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Elise Hu
Oh, the fake dating part.
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Kate Spencer
Yes, fake dating. A trope that I I have mixed feelings about but had so much fun writing that I now am 100% into fake dating. But it's it follows a woman named Bex who it has taken over her family's kind of crumbling pickleball racket club in a fictional Palm Springs esque desert retiree town. And her world is kind of thrown upside down when one of her clients, handsome former tennis pro nephews, comes to town and ends up sticking around as he practices to kind of get back into the pro circuit. And they end up falling into a fake dating situation because he is trying to make himself look better for a profile being written about him. And he kind of convinces her to play in a pickleball tournament with him to improve his standing and promises her the money if they win. And she needs that money to fix her racket club. So it seems like a no brainer that they need to collaborate and come together. Wink wink. Literally.
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Elise Hu
And he had to come to come around to the idea of even playing pickleball.
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Kate Spencer
He's always enjoying like I like Dory's saying I love the like pickleball versus tennis player debate. It also seems silly to me. It's like when people debate about which is better, New York or Los Angeles. It's like they're both great. It's not comparable. Like we can all move on. But I enjoy kind of like the, the like the the trolling of it all. So it felt fun to make a 10. Like make the love interest be a tennis player who kind of thinks pickleball is beneath him and play with some of those kind of genre y tropes of like tennis versus Pickleball. It is not a book specifically about pickleball. So though it is in the title, if you have no idea what pickleball is or if you find it annoying, you can still enjoy this book. It's. It is fun, sexy, spicy, and there's a real cast of old people that like of acceptunganarians. I can never say that word.
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Elise Hu
Septuagenarians.
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Kate Spencer
Septuagint.
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Dory Shafrir
I still can't say Elise that really just Septuagarians. The tongue.
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Kate Spencer
Yeah. Septonagerians.
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Elise Hu
Oh no, you're adding a syllable. Septuagenarians. It's easier. Yeah.
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Kate Spencer
Okay. Septenagerians.
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Dory Shafrir
Well, there's a Septenarians. Septogenarian.
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Elise Hu
Well, we have a. We have a social media clip now.
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Kate Spencer
Great. Septungarians is what I feel like I've been seeing.
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Elise Hu
That's right. That's perfect. You nailed it.
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Kate Spencer
Nailed it, Nailed it. A group of retirees who are like. Who's like their friend crew. And it was just a really fun book to write. It's my spiciest book, Dory, to answer your question. It has kind of the most open door sex scenes that I've written. They do. There is. Spoiler alert. Like maybe some pickleball court action. Literally. Yeah, you know, I just, I just kind of went for it. I just. When I talked to my agent about writing this book, I had pitched it as a pickleball fuck book, like, and so I just tried to go for it.
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Elise Hu
And it's beautifully written.
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Kate Spencer
That's nice of you. You're so kind.
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Elise Hu
I tore through it. I tore through it on the plane from the aforementioned New York to LA. So.
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Kate Spencer
Okay. Perfect. Perfect.
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Elise Hu
Corporate tennis, New York, LA. So much. So many dichotomies that don't need to be dichotomies.
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Kate Spencer
No. That we can all coexist. But I do think it is. It is fun to me that there is this kind of rivalry of. Pickleball is a silly sport. It's not that hard to play, and it's really loud and annoying. And tennis is kind of like the snobby older sibling that pickleball players kind of look down upon. It's a fun thing to play with, which is why I made him a tennis player.
- [29:52]
Elise Hu
I have learned only in the last few years that my ears are very sensitive to certain voices and sounds and things. So I don't even like to play tennis without a dampener on my racket because it's too sing songy when the ball hits the racket. So I can't even do it. I'll have to stop because like, the way that it. The way that I hear it in my head bothers me too much. Which is precisely why pickleball would take an adjustment because, yes, I actually find.
- [30:20]
Kate Spencer
The sound of pickleball very enjoyable. It doesn't bother me, but I have a similar thing where I'm becoming more sensitive to sounds. Like, my husband listens to podcasts at like two times speed on a speaker while he showers.
- [30:34]
Elise Hu
Is he mentally accelerated? Does his brain just move that fast. Do you?
- [30:38]
Kate Spencer
Yes, actually, probably. Yes.
- [30:39]
Elise Hu
That might be why. Okay, so it's matching the speed at which he can process.
- [30:43]
Kate Spencer
It gives me like, it makes me physically ill. I have to put on like noise canceling headphones if he's ever doing it. I cannot handle it.
- [30:50]
Elise Hu
Me neither. Yeah. But I'm even really particular about, like, if I'm gonna speed it up, I can maybe speed it up to like 1.35x depending on the narrator.
- [30:59]
Kate Spencer
Yep.
- [30:59]
Elise Hu
But then if it gets to like 1.4. Mm, mm. It sounds too robotic.
- [31:03]
Kate Spencer
I like a 1.25.
- [31:05]
Dory Shafrir
I like a 1.25 also, Kate.
- [31:07]
Kate Spencer
Yeah, it's just like, it just kicks it up a notch, you know, it.
- [31:10]
Dory Shafrir
Kicks up a notch. You barely even notice.
- [31:12]
Elise Hu
Yeah. But yeah, you're getting through the material faster.
- [31:15]
Dory Shafrir
Yeah. And if you're listening to this podcast on 1.25, I see you respect.
- [31:20]
Kate Spencer
And if you're listening to it on.
- [31:21]
Elise Hu
Two, like, you're mentally accelerated like Kate's husband.
- [31:25]
Kate Spencer
Can I ask you both a question though, just on this topic? Because one thing that I do think I've noticed about myself is that I now because I'm. I put TikTok back on my phone because I'm in book promo mode and I now want to watch every video on two times speed.
- [31:40]
Elise Hu
Whoa.
- [31:41]
Dory Shafrir
Okay.
- [31:42]
Elise Hu
I've never done that.
- [31:43]
Dory Shafrir
I watch a lot of stuff on 2x. Mostly stuff where someone is telling a long ass story.
- [31:50]
Kate Spencer
Yes.
- [31:50]
Dory Shafrir
And it is taking them forever. And I know, like, they want to keep us on the video, but I'm like, just get to the point. That is when I will generally watch on 2X. I'm just like, okay. Like I'm kind of interested in what you're talking about, but like not interested enough to sit through like three and a half minutes of you just sort of like droning on and on. But if it's like a cute. If it's like a cute dog jumping into a pool, then like, I will watch it.
- [32:16]
Kate Spencer
Very good point. Very good point. But I do find myself like, hitting it.
- [32:20]
Dory Shafrir
Yes, totally. I mean, I watched the. The hippo at the Cincinnati zoo celebrating their 22nd birthday today. Like, I watched that on regular speed.
- [32:30]
Kate Spencer
That's an old hippo.
- [32:31]
Dory Shafrir
Yeah.
- [32:33]
Elise Hu
What is the lifespan of a hippo?
- [32:35]
Dory Shafrir
I don't know.
- [32:36]
Kate Spencer
I don't know either. Is it old or young? Maybe it's like 80.
- [32:42]
Elise Hu
Right. Can't. But can't elephants live a really long time? So.
- [32:47]
Kate Spencer
Yes.
- [32:48]
Elise Hu
20 turtles would not be an old elephant.
- [32:50]
Dory Shafrir
Okay, right. I will say, like, okay. And then we don't need to, like, derail this conversation to turn into a conversation about TikTok. But, like, I. I don't watch, like, cute, like, kids say the darndest things kind of videos anymore because I'm. I'm just so, like, squeaked out now by any young, like, very young child on TikTok. I'm just like, no, I don't even want to, like, engage in this.
- [33:15]
Kate Spencer
Yeah, you don't even. Well, because if you engage, if you watch, you're almost like. You're tacitly right.
- [33:21]
Dory Shafrir
Exactly.
- [33:22]
Kate Spencer
Giving, supporting it. Almost. Right? Yes.
- [33:24]
Dory Shafrir
Yes.
- [33:25]
Kate Spencer
That's the.
- [33:26]
Dory Shafrir
Yeah. My catch 22 now is like. Is real. Is real weird. It's a lot of animal stuff because I do engage with a lot of animal stuff, but I also get a lot of black fraternity and sorority content and like, all this, like, just sort of like random sub genres of TikTok that I'm like. Okay, all right, moving on. Okay, Kate, what are you into right now when it comes to skin?
- [34:00]
Kate Spencer
Okay. Oh, my gosh. This is something I do miss talking about. I will say I feel like I have kind of gotten my routine down.
- [34:10]
Elise Hu
Okay, You've optimized it.
- [34:12]
Kate Spencer
I think I have. I. I have stuck with recently, the tretinoin. This is another word I can't say. Tretinoin.
- [34:20]
Elise Hu
You got it.
- [34:21]
Kate Spencer
Sunday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday. On Wednesday night, I do, like, an exfoliating pad at night from Lucerne, which a facialist recommended. And then Thursday, Friday, Saturday, I hydrate, hydrate, hydrate at night. So that's like, my pattern that I've been following. I have also been trying to double cleanse.
- [34:45]
Elise Hu
Are you wearing a lot of makeup lately?
- [34:48]
Kate Spencer
Well, because I have been doing, like. I've done some people's book events or like, I got on this zoom. I have been doing, like, a basic face, but pretty light. But I will say, like, products. Do you know what I picked up at the aforementioned Costco recently?
- [35:08]
Elise Hu
Ooh.
- [35:09]
Kate Spencer
A brand I've never tried before. And that brand is Olay. Okay.
- [35:15]
Elise Hu
As in oil of.
- [35:16]
Kate Spencer
As in yes, Olay, comma, oil. Oil of. I bought their it. I think it's their regenerative. Costco had like, a two top seller. And I was like, you know what? I'm sick of spending a buttload of money on moisturizer. Why don't I just try Olay? This is a classic that's been around forever, and I gotta say, I don't hate it. I'm not sure I love it, but I'm not hating it and I have to get through two jars.
- [35:47]
Elise Hu
So that's their hero product for a reason.
- [35:50]
Kate Spencer
Is it really?
- [35:51]
Elise Hu
You know, with beauty companies, like, they all have these hero products that make up, make up 80% of the sales. And everything else they roll out, like, adds up to like 20% of the sales. The Regenerist stuff is the Olay one.
- [36:04]
Kate Spencer
Olay Regenerist cream. Two. Two containers. And I'm trying that out and that has been my night cream. And are they Costco sized? No, they're regular. They're regular size. I think they're 1.7 ounces. So they aren't like tubs, which is probably for the best. And then I also started using La Roche Posay's vitamin C serum. I'm trying to see like, like I'm trying to go drugstore brand just because it seems more, it's more cost effective. And I'm, and I do think like the quality is like often on par. So that has been the route I'm taking. But I will say I still am kind of on the hunt for like a perfect nighttime moisturizer. And then wait, I have another product that I'm obsessed with. Patrick Ta. These are lip. These are lip balms. Okay. Patrick Ta makes these plumping lip glosses that I am full on obsessed with. Obsessed, like, recommend. Okay. They are the Patrick TA major volume plumping lip balm or lip gloss.
- [37:11]
Elise Hu
We're gonna put these in the show notes.
- [37:13]
Kate Spencer
Put them in the notes. I gotta tell you, like, this I. And, and this I will say was a tick tock video that I saw. And I was like, oh, Patrick Ta. I have, I have their, like, eyebrow wax. I didn't even know they made lip stuff. I'll check that out. And then I bought two of them and like, I'm never going back. Like Holy Grail lip product with. And I will accentuate it with a Charlotte Tilbury lip pencil.
- [37:37]
Elise Hu
Yeah.
- [37:37]
Kate Spencer
In color pillow talk number one. And this Patrick Ta stuff, it stays on. It plumps. It doesn't. It feels good. Recommend.
- [37:47]
Elise Hu
Follow up question. Have you stolen anything from your daughter's stash? Either of your daughter's stash?
- [37:53]
Kate Spencer
Okay.
- [37:54]
Elise Hu
This has been that you have now adopted because that's my gateway into so many products these days.
- [37:59]
Kate Spencer
It is wild because they have good stuff. Truly. Yes, it is truly wild. I will say, like, my kid right now is wearing the Glossier perfume. My 14 year old and it smells so good on her. And I've worn the glossier perfume before. But like, she, she waltzes into the room and I am like, you smell incredible. Like that perfume. I do feel like it is, it's become like a, it's like a young icon for a reason. My youngest one, not so much. But the older one, the older one, like she just, she know. Oh, you know what she made me do?
- [38:31]
Dory Shafrir
What?
- [38:31]
Kate Spencer
This is not a product stealing. But she gave me shit for not curling my eyelashes.
- [38:36]
Elise Hu
It's so big right now.
- [38:38]
Kate Spencer
Oh, she's so into curling her eyelashes. Like she'll bring the eyelash curl. Her curler like with her.
- [38:45]
Elise Hu
Oh, even my nine year old is doing that. She doesn't wear any makeup. She just curls her eyelashes.
- [38:50]
Kate Spencer
Yeah.
- [38:51]
Dory Shafrir
Also your kids have super long eyelashes.
- [38:54]
Elise Hu
Yeah, and my kids have super long eyelashes too. But I think it's to accentuate.
- [38:59]
Kate Spencer
Yeah, they want that like flip.
- [39:00]
Elise Hu
A flip. I don't think it's like a Betty Boop kind of.
- [39:03]
Kate Spencer
Yes. Like she was. It wasn't era. No.
- [39:06]
Elise Hu
Or clear mascara, if any.
- [39:08]
Kate Spencer
Yes. That's the other thing is like sometimes they're not even wearing mascara. They just curl the lash.
- [39:13]
Elise Hu
But if you have nice thick long eyelashes like my girls, then it just, it really opens up the eye.
- [39:19]
Kate Spencer
It does, yeah. So I've learned that from my 14 year old. Who knew?
- [39:24]
Elise Hu
Yeah, they really like the Shiseido eyelash curlers.
- [39:27]
Kate Spencer
That's a fancy one. Like I bought that for myself maybe like a few years ago. This is what like, like get an elf Target eyelash curler. My teens, I wanted a bunch of.
- [39:38]
Elise Hu
Like, you know, really athletic girls who are sort of muddy and dirty all the time. And I wound up with these ultra feminine ones that are, that are curling their lashes and have like cooler products than me. I don't know what happened.
- [39:53]
Kate Spencer
It is wild and I do think it's been interesting. It's interesting having had done this podcast and now seeing the like super boom of the younger generation, even just like watching people in their 20s and what their relationship is to like skincare and beauty has, is really fascinating to me. And I know it's always, there's always like a booming moment, but it does feel like it's, it's, it's something else right now. And I'm, you know, I'm, I'm always pondering it.
- [40:23]
Dory Shafrir
So we're just going to take a short break and we will be right back. Are there other non skin care things that you're really into these days?
- [40:40]
Kate Spencer
Do you know what I am starting to get into is my CPAP machine. Dory has been privy to my. The journey of my CPAP machine.
- [40:49]
Elise Hu
So many people get prescribed this machine, but then don't actually use it. So you have been.
- [40:55]
Kate Spencer
Yes, I have sleep apnea, and I would like to improve my sleep. And I will say it was a. The learning curve is steep.
- [41:04]
Elise Hu
It was.
- [41:04]
Kate Spencer
It's. And I'm still not. I'm still not able to wear it through the night. Like, I'd normally take it off. I, like, rip it off at some point in the night, but I just had a meeting with my sleep doctor, and I was like, you know what? I actually now kind of, like, crave the cpap. And I do notice better rest. And actually, I have broken a piece off my mask, so I haven't been wearing it for the past few days. I have to, like, drive and go pick up a new one. And that has been. It's been kind of a game changer. Like, I'm excited to get back on my CPAP machine. And I also bought a chin strap to keep my mouth closed at night. I look wild going to bed.
- [41:43]
Elise Hu
Sexy. It's hot.
- [41:45]
Kate Spencer
It is so hot. My husband is, like, drooling when I approach. Who else have I been?
- [41:53]
Dory Shafrir
I'm gonna need you to write another romance where the woman has a cpap.
- [41:58]
Kate Spencer
I kind of jokingly mentioned that on Instagram, and I was like, could I work this? Could I work a CPAP in. Right.
- [42:07]
Dory Shafrir
Yes, you need to.
- [42:08]
Kate Spencer
Okay. The other thing that I am very into. It's not necessarily an object, but I. This is so. This is so specific. I don't know. I'm almost embarrassed to mention it. I have been really into letting go of all productivity apps and just using the things that are available for me on Apple because I have Apple products, like figuring out how to use notes, Apple calendar, and Apple reminders to, like, run my life. And then also this Luxtern notebook in which I kind of write all my. I use that as, like, my physical checkpoint. Like, I kind of brain dump in it. And I make sure anytime I have to take notes on anything, I'm writing it all in this notebook. So I don't have, like, 50 notebooks. And then I can't remember where I put something. So, for example, like, if I have a meeting with my kids counselor, I put those notes in this notebook. If I have a call about my book work, I put it in this notebook. Which I used to think that was not the right way to do things. I was like, I need a separate notebook for everything. But for me, consolidating and also not getting sucked into all these kind of like get on notion or use this app for this.
- [43:25]
Elise Hu
Oh my gosh.
- [43:26]
Kate Spencer
It just those productivity.
- [43:28]
Elise Hu
Industrial complex.
- [43:29]
Kate Spencer
Yes. It's too much.
- [43:31]
Elise Hu
They're always taking our money.
- [43:33]
Kate Spencer
Oh, seven day free trial. And then they bill you. I get billed. I forget 100.
- [43:38]
Elise Hu
That's how they get you.
- [43:40]
Kate Spencer
Yep. And then I'm always writing these emails like I forgot to. Luckily they. Most of these places are pretty gracious and let me unsubscribe, but that has been like I have been trying to really streamline how I plan everything and make sure I have this one notebook and the things on my computer and phone and that's it. And it, it actually has been really positive.
- [44:04]
Elise Hu
Good, good. Is there anything coming up for you in. Well, besides the big book launch? So I guess post book launch, is there anything that you're really excited about? I think everybody just wants to know what you've been up to, what you're using lately and then what you're excited about.
- [44:21]
Kate Spencer
I am excited. Honestly. I am really excited to spend more time with humans, read more books. I have ideas of books that I want to start working on, but I don't have anything concrete. Like I don't have a book that's gonna be coming out in two years or a year. I haven't gotten that far down the road yet. I just, I have really enjoyed with this book launch, with this book coming out, just focusing on that and that kind of being the one thing I'm doing right now. And like, honestly I joined a pickleball league a few months ago and that has since ended, but I want to do another one. Like I am enjoying playing. Like I'm kind of just enjoying the everyday shit I've been doing. I do love pickleball. I do love competing and beating people and like obviously like losing and learning from that experience. But I. No.
- [45:15]
Elise Hu
And I love the way you wrote that into your main character. Bex. You also wrote. We didn't get to this but you know, you wrote really beautifully because she's, she's grieving her mother who had died a few years before the plotline of the book begins. And so what was that like? Just working that in.
- [45:33]
Kate Spencer
It just kind of came up organically where I was like, I need a reason for this 26 year old woman to be running her family's racket club.
- [45:40]
Elise Hu
Yeah, yeah.
- [45:41]
Kate Spencer
And I had originally had a parent who was like ill and dying and then I was like, this is so dark. Like I can't. Oh. And then I. And then I just kind of changed it As I was writing and ended up, that's another thing where I was like, oh, I clearly am writing this from experience because, yeah, she's grieving the loss of her mom and also, like, wanting to kind of that feeling of, like, take over her legacy and honor her by keeping this thing going against all odds. So, yeah, so there is a little bit of, like, grief worked into the, you know, exploring what it's like to be grieving, I guess is worked in there. What else am I doing? Like, you know, like, again, I've just been, like, trying to figure out what, like, figure out what I do for, like, pleasure. It's just that it's always very hard for me to shut off the, like, product productivity side of my brain. I realize I just said I love productivity apps, but yeah, we came up in hustle culture.
- [46:39]
Elise Hu
It's really hard to shake that.
- [46:40]
Kate Spencer
It is like, you know, or just I'm reading a book and I don't have to. I don't have to share. I don't have to share every part of my life. Like, that kind of feeling of like, do I need to have to review the book?
- [46:51]
Elise Hu
You don't have to, like, interview the author. You're just reading a book because for the sake of reading a book.
- [46:56]
Dory Shafrir
Yeah.
- [46:56]
Kate Spencer
Yes. That was another thing. Like, I don't have to post every time I read something that I like. Again, I'm getting in the weeds here because I also want to support authors. It's more just this feeling that I have had to work on of, like, if I go out to dinner, I don't need to photograph my meal. I can just do something and do it without there having to be, like, proof that it happened for the rest of the world. That's, that's another thing. I feel like I'm trying to help myself unlearn that I think we all have in some way just because of the digital culture we're all existing in right now. Yeah. And I also, like, I love digital culture, but, you know, I almost, like.
- [47:34]
Elise Hu
Stubbornly don't want to share things.
- [47:36]
Kate Spencer
Yeah.
- [47:36]
Elise Hu
And put it on meta, because I'm sort of like, oh, you careless tech overlords. No, you're not going to get my trip to Cabo.
- [47:44]
Kate Spencer
Yes. Because then they're going to get all that data on you and they're going to start sending you, like, bathing suit ads.
- [47:49]
Dory Shafrir
Right.
- [47:50]
Elise Hu
Just don't like it. Yeah.
- [47:52]
Dory Shafrir
So, Kate, before we let you go, we did promise our listeners a Costco segment.
- [47:58]
Kate Spencer
Oh, I'm ready.
- [47:59]
Dory Shafrir
So besides Olay.
- [48:01]
Kate Spencer
Okay.
- [48:02]
Dory Shafrir
What Else are you loving?
- [48:04]
Kate Spencer
Oh, my gosh. I have another good Costco product.
- [48:06]
Dory Shafrir
Great.
- [48:06]
Elise Hu
Okay.
- [48:07]
Kate Spencer
Okay, okay. Nyx. Nyx.
- [48:10]
Elise Hu
Oh, yeah, the makeup.
- [48:11]
Kate Spencer
Yes. I got at Costco their setting spray and. Or it's like they're setting primer cream and then a spray, and it's the marshmallow one. And I was like, I love it. It smells like marshmallows. I'm obsessed with it.
- [48:26]
Elise Hu
It's amazing.
- [48:26]
Kate Spencer
Okay, what else has been my big Costcoy purchases lately? I mean, aside from the a. The milk. That's good for people. Do you buy this at Costco? Is it A1 milk? Oh, my gosh.
- [48:40]
Elise Hu
Like, the steak sauce?
- [48:41]
Dory Shafrir
I think it's a two. A two.
- [48:43]
Kate Spencer
Thank you, Dory. It's, like, slightly more digestible. Costco has, like, great A2 yogurts and milk.
- [48:49]
Elise Hu
Is this for people who are, like, lactose intolerant?
- [48:53]
Kate Spencer
Yeah. Or lactose sensitive or, like, digestively sensitive.
- [48:57]
Elise Hu
Okay.
- [48:58]
Kate Spencer
Mm. What else has been a big. I mean, for me, I will say part of the joy of Costco is the in the moment discovery.
- [49:08]
Elise Hu
It's the serendipity.
- [49:09]
Dory Shafrir
Yeah.
- [49:09]
Kate Spencer
Where you're like, I'm going in. Like, I always have a list that I keep in the reminders app, a specific Costco grocery list, and right now it's pretty boring. It's like protein powder. Here's what's on it. Flowers, vegetables, fruit, milk, frozen lasagna or something else. Protein powder. And then Disneyland park hopper pass, which is new for SoCal people at Costco. But then for me, yes, the joy is in the. Like, you turn the corner with your big ass cart, and there's just a stack of, like, cozy pant, you know, the, like, Vori knockoff sweatpants or whatever it is.
- [49:47]
Elise Hu
Yeah.
- [49:48]
Kate Spencer
And you're like, okay, here I am. I'm gonna. Like, for example, I got some giant comfortable slides or, like, $10 at Costco. You know those, like, flip flop slides that have, like, a three that are foamy? Yes. I got a pair at Costco to wear around the house. They're fantastic.
- [50:07]
Elise Hu
Okay. These are all great wrecks.
- [50:09]
Kate Spencer
Also, I will say acai bowls. My kid is really big into the Costco bowl.
- [50:13]
Elise Hu
My kid is also into acai bowls, but I haven't tried the Costco ones yet.
- [50:17]
Kate Spencer
They're good.
- [50:18]
Elise Hu
Do I have to buy, like, 24 of them, though?
- [50:20]
Kate Spencer
You know, I have no freezer space. It's more like a six or an eight pack.
- [50:24]
Elise Hu
Okay. I think that I can make room.
- [50:26]
Kate Spencer
You could do it.
- [50:26]
Dory Shafrir
Kate, before you came on, you and I had a brief conversation about a great pre order offer you have for your book. Would you like to share it with our listeners?
- [50:37]
Kate Spencer
Okay, I would love to because this is one of my favorite things to do period and forever 35 listeners always make it extra fun. So I have a really lovely pre order incentive right now with the ripped bodice here in Los Angeles. If you pre order All's Fair and Love and Pickleball from the ripped bodice, you get a very adorable purse like very very cute sticker sheet with stickers from the book. But I also will be signing and personalizing those books. So in the past I have drawn people eggplants. I have drawn horse heads. If you have listened to me on this podcast before, you, you've heard me talk about those things. But I will also sign and personalize it however you like. You just put a note in the comments of that order and I will do it. I love it. Let me make a book special for you or somebody you love. I also will just happily write your name and sign my name. But if you want a little spice, pre order it from the ripped bodice. Also, if you've already pre ordered the book from another retailer, I'm signing and personalizing book plates which are little stickers that you can put inside your book. All that info is like is on my Instagram aitspencer link in bio and I'm doing an event in LA with Alyssa Sussman on June 3rd.
- [51:51]
Elise Hu
Ooh, I love her books. I love her.
- [51:53]
Kate Spencer
So great. She has a new book coming out that I think is going to be huge.
- [51:56]
Elise Hu
Yeah, doesn't it continue on one of her. Is it a continue on her Funny youy Should Ask series?
- [52:01]
Kate Spencer
Yes, it's on. It's a continuation of Gabe's Sister and it's like a love story that deals with it's so I've read an early copy and I have a. I have the current version here.
- [52:12]
Elise Hu
Well tell her I'm a fan because I don't know her or anything personally. I just picked up her book.
- [52:17]
Kate Spencer
She's great.
- [52:17]
Elise Hu
I read one of her books a few years ago and then started reading her.
- [52:21]
Kate Spencer
Well and this will be in Culver City at the Ripped Bodice on the west side of la. And I'm also doing events in Portland, Maine and in Boston this summer. So if anybody lives there and wants to come out, come say hi.
- [52:31]
Elise Hu
Yay.
- [52:32]
Dory Shafrir
I'm coming to your book event. So.
- [52:34]
Kate Spencer
So if anyone wants to meet Dory, be ready, okay? Be ready please. Nothing makes me happier than When I see your face in the audience of a book event, I just go, aw.
- [52:46]
Dory Shafrir
I usually sit towards the back. I sneak in quietly.
- [52:50]
Kate Spencer
You do? Well, that's your vibe. You're stealth.
- [52:53]
Dory Shafrir
I'm still like, I'm in stealth. Well, Kate, I mean, we could just keep talking, but we will let you go. Thank you for coming back on Forever 35. Listeners have been wondering what you've been up to, so hopefully this will.
- [53:08]
Elise Hu
Yeah.
- [53:09]
Dory Shafrir
Yes.
- [53:09]
Kate Spencer
I hope this matches that itch.
- [53:11]
Dory Shafrir
Curiosity.
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Kate Spencer
Yeah. I wish it was more like I've been skydiving, but it's really just kind of.
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Elise Hu
No. I think everybody wanted you to rest because when you retired, that's what you sought, and so we all wished you ease.
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Kate Spencer
Thank you. I have been experiencing more rest, and that has been really nice.
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Elise Hu
Good. And not listening to podcasts at 2X.
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Kate Spencer
Not listening to podcasts. No. Yes. Not a 2X. Maybe. What if I went?
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Elise Hu
What are you doing, Mr. Kate?
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Kate Spencer
Oh, he's just. He's intense. You'll have to meet him. He's a piece of work.
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Elise Hu
Thank you so much.
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Kate Spencer
Thank you. It was so great to be back. Thank you for having me.
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Dory Shafrir
Well, that was a delight. It was a good thing Kate had a heart out because otherwise I think we would have.
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Elise Hu
We would have kept going. Yeah.
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Dory Shafrir
Yeah.
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Elise Hu
I didn't even get into how her. Her main character in the book, Nico, she described him looking exactly like my boyfriend, Matteo Baratini. Matteo Baratini doesn't know that he's my boyfriend, but he is my man. He. He's like one of the top, I guess he's like, in the top 50 ranked tennis players in the world. He's Italian and he is hot, hot, hot. I saw him in real life at Indian Wells this year and took a picture where he's like, way in the background. I took a selfie where he's way in the background, but I like, captioned it for selfie with my man. He's a dreamboat. And this main character in Kate's book seemed. I don't know, did you get that vibe? I feel like he sort of looked like Mateo to me. Or that's what I pictured.
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Dory Shafrir
No, I picture that too.
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Elise Hu
Yeah, he has that kind of look. So, anyway, get the book. All's fair and love and pickleball, and it's time to enter the intention zone. Dory, did you get rid of Henry's clothes?
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Dory Shafrir
I did not get rid of Henry's clothes. They're still, like, in a pile in my office. I need to do that. That Intention is carrying over to next week. And then this week. My intention is to figure out what to do on like over Memorial Day weekend with Henry.
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Elise Hu
Yeah.
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Dory Shafrir
Because three days, it's a lot.
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Elise Hu
It could be a long stretch. I. I'm headed into a two day soccer tournament in Orange County. In deep Orange county too. Like south of Laguna beach, south of Laguna Woods, Orange County. And so it's not like I can be there for the morning game and then drive. Right. Drive home and then go back for the afternoon game.
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Dory Shafrir
We're just going to have like six.
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Elise Hu
Hours of dead time in Orange county where I'm supposed to keep Luna off her feet. So I don't know what's going to happen.
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Kate Spencer
That, that might be rough.
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Elise Hu
But my intention last week was to exercise in New York. And by exercise I had meant taking a class pass.
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Dory Shafrir
Yes.
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Elise Hu
Which I failed to do. Even though I have been taking my class pass classes here this week since I've been home. I failed to do it because my plans in New York are so loosey goosey. Sort of like, oh, yeah, I gotta see you and maybe we'll meet up later. But then we don't say a time. And so then I don't really know when I can safely take a class and not be available. So I just blew off that intention. But I did walk a lot. Walked a lot. And when I could, I walked. And so I got all my steps on those days. Just not the kind of class exercise this week because I have noticed like some real tightness in my hamstrings. It's so funny because I have a good friend in New York who listens to Forever 35 and she's like, Elise, every other week your intention is to exercise more. Just exercise. But I don't think it's that common. But this. So this week I'm going to foam roll. I'm gonna do some like therapy on my. On myself.
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Dory Shafrir
That's a good intention.
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Elise Hu
The foam rolls and stretching stretch. I'm just typing this down so I can really make it real. All right.
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Dory Shafrir
Well, Elise, once a month we thank our Patreon supporters at the hotel suite and hotel spa level. Someone suggested recently that we do a Dory's hotel for our Patreon supporters. And I. I can, I can put that together. I think I can. Yeah, I can whip something up. So stay tuned for that.
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Elise Hu
Okay. Yeah, I think you should do it.
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Dory Shafrir
So thank you to the following supporters. Caitlin H. Katie Ashley Taylor. Teresa Anderson. Michelle Maya Barbara Chiakalos. Amy. Amy Schnitzer. Heather Hale. Megan Donald Brew Jr. Helen De Mooy, Shelley Lee, Kim Begler, Sarah Sarah Boozy, Allison Cohen, Susan Burseth, Melissa McLean, Fran Kelsey Wolf, Donne, Laura Eddy Jettle, Apti, Valerie Bruno, Jane Thoreau, Julie Daniel E. Jackson, Amy Maseko, Liz Rain, jdk, Jennifer Smith, Hannah M, Julia Putt, Maddie o' Day, Marissa Lauren Gitlin, Sarah Bell, Maria Diana, Cocoa Bean, Laura Haddon, Josie H. Nikki Bossert, Juliana Duff, Chelsea Torres, Tiffany G, Emily McIntyre, Stephanie Germana, Elizabeth A, Kelly Dearborn, Christine Bassis, Allison Markling, Jessica Gale, Zulima Lundy, Carolyn Rodriguez, Carrie Gold and T. Nikki Katherine Ellingson, Kara Brugman, Sarah H, Sarah Egan, Jess Combin, Jennifer Olson, Jennifer hs, Eliza Gibson, Jillian Bowman, Brianne Macy, Karen Perelman, Katie Jordan, Sarah M. K.M. em, Emily Bruyer, Josie Alquist, Tara Todd, Elizabeth Cleary and Monica. And as I was reading those names, I realized there's another Patreon benefit that we often forget to mention which is our Ad Free episodes.
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Elise Hu
Yeah, get in on that folks. Yes, one of the comments that we get in the ratings is often that like especially for mini episodes, it feels like they're the ads take up a lot of the full runtime of the show.
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Kate Spencer
Yes.
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Elise Hu
And you can just leapfrog over all those ads with ad Free episodes if you are at the $10 level on Patreon.
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Dory Shafrir
Yeah, so check that out. And just a reminder that Forever 35 is hosted and produced by me, Dori Shafriar and Elise Hu and produced and edited by Sam Hunio. Sami Reed is our Project Manager and our network partner is Acast. Thanks everyone for listening.
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Elise Hu
Take care, talk to you next time.
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Dory Shafrir
Bye.
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