Episode 398: Have Fun, Live Long with Kara Swisher

Summary

Forever35 – Episode 398: Have Fun, Live Long with Kara Swisher

Release Date: April 20, 2026
Hosts: Doree Shafrir & Elise Hu
Guest: Kara Swisher

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Overview

In this lively and insightful episode, Doree and Elise are joined by renowned tech journalist and podcaster Kara Swisher. Prompted by Swisher’s new CNN original series "Kara Swisher Wants to Live Forever," the conversation explores the booming world of longevity tech, the pitfalls of wellness influencers, and the true science—and myths—behind aging well. The trio also digs into the intersection of self-care, social connection, and tech as we age, all seasoned with Swisher's signature candor and wit.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

1. Self-Care Rituals: Hardware Stores as Havens

[15:12] Kara Swisher shares her unusual self-care practice: visiting hardware stores.

• She finds comfort, calm, and curiosity in wandering through local hardware stores, especially Cliffs Hardware in San Francisco.
• "Every time I go there I find something delightful and it's very calming. I enjoy it." – Kara Swisher [15:49]
• Swisher admits she’s more of a “fix-it mom” than DIY-obsessed, and prefers local stores over big box chains.

2. Kara’s CNN Series: Longevity, Silicon Valley Style

[18:03] Doree and Elise introduce the premise: tech billionaires’ obsession with living longer.

• Swisher details how tech moguls like Sam Altman, Larry Ellison, Musk, and Bezos pour money into “longevity” ventures.
• The show investigates what’s scientifically valid and what’s “expensive nonsense that takes advantage of consumers.”
  "[There’s] a lot of really nonsensical crap on there... I wanted to explore that and see what's really scientifically based and what isn't." – Kara Swisher [18:03]
• Special focus on social media turbocharging wellness misinformation.

3. Brian Johnson & The Perils of Bio-Experimentation

[19:12] Discussion of Brian Johnson, notorious longevity influencer.

• Swisher reflects on Johnson's transformation: “He’s obviously transformed himself and he likes it. He's aware he’s a bit of a circus act and he kind of welcomes it by his ridiculous photographs and all his, like, you know, he's like, 'I'm not an influencer.' I'm like, 'Look at these 10 pictures...'" [19:12]
• Critique: Johnson’s experiment helps only himself, not “humanity” as he claims; n=1 experiments aren't science.

4. Influencer Culture & Gendered Wellness Trends

[21:17] Examination of how wellness has shifted, especially for men.

• Swisher highlights fads like “protein maxing” (for men), “red light therapy” (more female), and pricey wellness gadgets with dubious science.
• "Most of the things that really, really work don't cost anything." – Kara Swisher [31:44]

5. What Actually Works? Swisher’s Takeaways from the Series

[25:19] What longevity practices is Kara keeping?

• Real science: Social connection is critical—loneliness is as bad for your health as smoking.
• Swisher is reconnecting socially and focusing on strength and interval training (“VO2 max”), more so since COVID frayed social habits.
• "[Social] interactions are critical and loneliness...has deleterious health effects...I've started to do more social things.” – Kara Swisher [25:19]
• Tech interventions like AI for drug discovery and health span prediction show real promise.

6. The Power of Everyday Social Interaction

[28:19] Swisher discusses the science behind sociability and longevity.

• Referencing the Harvard Happiness Study and neuroscientists, Swisher affirms that causation (not just correlation) has been established between social life and longer health spans.
• Actionable tip: "When you go get coffee, spend one day, every time you see someone...go, 'Hey, how's your day going?' Try it, see what happens. It helps them, it helps you." – Kara Swisher [29:18]

7. Why We Chase Longevity Elixirs (and Why It’s a Grift)

[30:26] Motivations behind the “longevity bro” movement and the supplement industry.

• "This has been around since forever...we're all about shortcuts in this country... If there's a supplement or bar involved or a program, you probably are getting taken in some way." – Kara Swisher [31:44]

8. Data Overload: Measurements vs. Meaning

[32:02] Critique of wellness tracking gadgets.

• Gadgets like the Oura ring can offer info, but often simply confirm what you already know.
• Anecdote: “I saw I didn’t sleep well last night... He [a doctor] goes, 'Didn’t you know that when you woke up?' And I was like, I did.” – Kara Swisher [33:02]

9. Influencer-Doctor-Entrepreneur Culture: Peter Attia & Beyond

[33:07] Assessing the new crop of “celebrity” health experts.

• Swisher sees many as “narcissistic, performative, and serving the rich,” unlike democratic fitness icons like Jack LaLanne.
• “Jack LaLanne...‘Here's a broomstick, ladies…’ That is exactly right." – Kara Swisher [34:15]

10. AI for Health: Promise and Hype

[37:04] AI’s role in medicine, and the hype-vs-reality split.

• Swisher compares most content-generating AI to “Twinkies—not apples.”
• There’s real promise for AI in drug discovery, cancer treatment tools, and more—but not for replacing creativity, empathy, or human connection.
• "If you can use AI in combination with humans, that's the one we want." – Kara Swisher [39:32]

11. Life, Death, and Meaning—The Real Longevity Secret

[43:39] What Swisher hopes viewers take away from her series

• Embrace mortality for motivation: “Use death as inspiration... to be as healthy as you can and use the time you have.” – Kara Swisher [43:39]
• Death acceptance, says Swisher, is linked to longer, healthier lives; death fear leads to polarization and sickness.
• "A lot of the stuff that Silicon Valley is selling to me is death fear... Don’t be scared of it."
• Memorable quote (from astronaut Christina Cook): “We will always choose each other.” Used by Swisher to argue for community over selfish individualism. [46:07]

12. Quickfire Takeaways & Swisher’s Style

• Do not pursue expensive fads like hyperbaric chambers unless you have the bends.
• "Hug your children. That’s what will make you live longer." – Kara Swisher [49:09]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On wellness tech fads:
  "There's a narcissism involved in it, obviously, and then the sort of futility of it because he'll die." – Kara Swisher on Brian Johnson [20:05]

• On social connection:
  "It helps them, it helps you." – Kara Swisher, on striking up one-off conversations [29:18]

• On influencer biohacking:
  “Most of the things that really, really work don’t cost anything.” – Kara Swisher [31:44]

• On the spirit of technology:
  "If you can use AI in combination with humans, that's the one we want with humans in control of it." – Kara Swisher [39:32]

• On mortality:
  “Use death as, as an inspirational… The greatest inspiration for life is to understand you have limited time.” – Kara Swisher [43:47]

• On health gadgets:
  “Didn’t you know [you didn’t sleep well] when you woke up?” – Dr. Zeke Emanuel (via Kara Swisher) [33:02]

• On easy fixes:
  “If there's a supplement or bar involved or a program, you probably are getting taken in some way.” – Kara Swisher [31:44]

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Timestamps Summary

• [15:12] – Kara’s self-care: hardware store wanderings
• [18:03] – Why tech billionaires are obsessed with longevity
• [19:12] – Brian Johnson, influencer spectacle, and n=1 experiments
• [21:17] – Gendered wellness trends and influencers
• [25:19] – Practices Swisher keeps from the series: sociability, fitness, and tech advances
• [28:19] – Social connections and living longer
• [30:26] – Why the longevity industry is driven by profit, not science
• [32:02] – Data devices: helpful or just noise?
• [33:07] – The culture of influencer-doctor-entrepreneurs
• [37:04] – AI in healthcare: hype and real potential
• [43:39] – The wisdom of mortality and finding meaning
• [46:07] – “We will always choose each other”—on technology and humanity
• [49:09] – Swisher, on the real secret: “Hug your children.”

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Conclusion

This episode is a candid, skeptical, and pointedly hopeful deep-dive into aging, wellness tech, and the futility of shortcutting mortality. With Swisher’s trademark blend of skepticism and practicality, listeners are left with the sense that the most valuable currency in longevity is social connection, everyday joys, and facing death without fear.
Kara’s bottom line: Don’t get fooled by flashy overpromises—living well (and long) is about community, curiosity, and cherishing the time you have.

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Transcript

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[Dory Shafrier]

Hello and welcome to Forever 35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I'm Dory Shafrier.

[Elise Hu]

And I'm Elise Hu. And we're just two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.

[Dory Shafrier]

And today we have a very illustrious guest.

[Elise Hu]

You know her name and you probably have heard her shows or watched her shows or watched her shows because now she has a new series coming out on cnn. Her name is Kara Swisher. Heard of her?

[Dory Shafrier]

You know, sometimes people are like, do you guys have like famous guests on that question?

[Elise Hu]

Sometimes we do, yeah.

[Dory Shafrier]

I feel like this is like one of those that people will be like, oh yeah, I know that person. But she is a fascinating human being. And we had a great conversation with her. So stay tuned for that. Elise, what's been going on with you?

[Elise Hu]

I have a couple updates. I am in the middle of a Crowdfund campaign which I've never taken part in before. I've never done like a Kickstarter or anything, but I'm learning a lot about it. One is it takes constant vigilance because there's a ticking clock.

[Dory Shafrier]

Yeah.

[Elise Hu]

So by the time this airs, it might be over or nearly over. I have until the end of April to raise enough money like 80% of our goal for Windswept. This is for the post production. So we have shot most of Windswept, my documentary about the kids who's lost their homes in the fires. And we've shot most of it, but now we're in the assembly stage or what's called post production. And post production is very expensive. And so we're raising to help pay for our archive producer who's going to look for all the old social media and news archives and things from certain points in the kids lives. And we're also raising to pay for some of the edit. And these platforms work in such a way that you can't keep the money that is pledged unless you hit a certain goal.

[Dory Shafrier]

Yes.

[Elise Hu]

And then I'm taking part in a rally. It's like a crowdfund rally with other AAPI filmmakers. And under the rally rules, not only do you have to fund, you also have to get a certain number of followers. That's free. So we're going to put the link in our show notes for my Seed and Spark campaign for Windswept because I could really use y' all forever 35 listeners to help, you know, join the squad and be a follower of this campaign. I've already hit up Dory and Sammy and Sammy because everyone counts. And we have to hit our follower goal to even be eligible for matching. Thank you for following.

[Dory Shafrier]

And I think I was your, I might have been your first follower.

[Elise Hu]

Oh, very special. Thank you. Dory, you just really, you were a pioneer. You like started the flood.

[Dory Shafrier]

I did.

[Elise Hu]

And, and I, I've been on, I've been using social media that I don't usually use, like LinkedIn. So I'm like tapping on the mic on LinkedIn. I'm like, is this thing on? Hello. Hello. I am doing a crowdfunding. Yeah. So I, I've been doing that and it's really kind of fun too. There's like a real community oriented aspect of it and the, the most fun that I've had is that for folks who want this incentive and they contribute $50, I'm writing personalized haikus that I'm performing on my Instagram stories.

[Dory Shafrier]

They're very cool.

[Elise Hu]

I am no poet. And so they're kind of like almost comically bad, but I kind of. People are enjoying that they're comically bad. I got a message from a former Forever 35 guest, Caitlyn Thompson, like, please don't stop. Just keep these coming. And I'm like, well, keep those contributions coming and you'll get more.

[Dory Shafrier]

So, so funny.

[Elise Hu]

So I'm doing that. And so yes, please join the bandwagon, folks. And then the other, the other update, I know some of y' all had written in six months ago when we discovered that I had a little lump in my breast, in my right breast on mammogram. And then they had the ultrasound and then they're like, you should get this biopsied. And I got it biopsied and we discovered it was a papilloma. So it was non cancerous. So I decided not to do anything about it six months ago. And because I don't really want to be, I don't want them kind of cutting into me. One, I've never been operated on. And then two, I just didn't want any potential tissue damage or sensitivity damage because of where it is. It's like right behind my areola. And so that was my decision at the time. And then it was the six month mark this past week. And so I needed to go back. And I go back to do an ultrasound, only no mammogram. They didn't have to pancake my boob. And immediately the ultrasound tech was like, this is bigger, like the papilloma itself. And so then she sends it to a radiologist and he writes back his report. He or she writes back their report. And then I go on to meet with the breast surgeon and the both the radiologist and the breast surgeon. The radiologist just on imaging. So this is like some person who's not even in the same building. They wrote surgical excision is recommended. And then my doctor himself is like, okay, here's the sitch. You have two cysts. Like one is a cyst and we re ultrasounded that. The other one we found on biopsy that it's a papilloma, which is non cancerous or the part that we took is non cancerous. However, the cyst that was always there, that we didn't biopsy, that's the exact same Size as six months ago, but your papilloma, that guy is one millimeter bigger all around. So it was like five by five by five, and now it's six by six by six. And he's like, that's still tiny, but it is a slight increase. And we get a little uncomfortable about growth. He's like, because when we biopsy, we biopsy a part of a hole. And so the part that we biopsied had no cancer cells. But what about the other parts? We don't know. He's like, so why don't. Why don't you just cut it out? You know what I mean? Like, if. If you don't want it there possibly growing.

[Dory Shafrier]

Yeah, yeah, just cut it out.

[Elise Hu]

So I'm. I'm like, I'm still not sure because I don't like medical interventions in general.

[Dory Shafrier]

Yeah.

[Elise Hu]

And then I would have to be under general anesthesia. So, folks, that's the update. I'm still thinking about it. I'm going to get another opinion.

[Dory Shafrier]

Okay.

[Elise Hu]

This being la, there are many options. And then my cancer researcher friend Amanda from Trivia, she was like, I would want to. Instead of talking to another breast surgeon, I would want to talk to an oncologist and just be like, what are the chances that this is problematic with the. Because my objective is not to be operated on, you know?

[Dory Shafrier]

Yeah, of course.

[Elise Hu]

So she's like, you could see if you could get a consult with an oncologist instead of a. Instead of another breast surgeon. But I'll do. I'll do a few things. I'll do a battery of things. I'm still not too worried, though. My mom is like, why don't you just cut it out? This is so simple. Like, you. If you don't want.

[Dory Shafrier]

Right.

[Elise Hu]

Oh, because I'm being stubborn, that's why. So we will. We will see.

[Dory Shafrier]

Well, I hope, I hope you. You feel like you're making the right choice for yourself.

[Elise Hu]

Thank you.

[Kara Swisher]

Thank you.

[Dory Shafrier]

Whatever you decide, I appreciate. We will support you.

[Elise Hu]

This segment is supported by our friends at depop.

[Dory Shafrier]

You know, Elise, I have really been trying to, like, elevate my closet and get some nicer clothes that suit me and my taste and my body. But I'm also on a budget.

[Elise Hu]

Yep.

[Dory Shafrier]

So I have been loving all of the treasures I've been finding on depop. And again, this branded segment is brought to you by depop, where we found some of our favorite closet additions from. From rare vintage to the one that got away after it sold out. And I don't think I Even told you this, Elise, but I have been on the hunt for a specific shirt, one that I wore in our photo shoot last year. The one that was like kind of like patchworky.

[Elise Hu]

Yes, yes. That we did. Like with the seamless backdrop with the white. Yep.

[Dory Shafrier]

Yeah. It had been a shirt that I had gotten from Nuuly, so it was a rented shirt and so I didn't keep it.

[Kara Swisher]

Right.

[Dory Shafrier]

And. And I've been searching for it.

[Elise Hu]

Oh, yeah.

[Dory Shafrier]

And I found it on Depop.

[Kara Swisher]

Oh my gosh. Yeah.

[Dory Shafrier]

So that was really cool that I got to find the shirt that I had been like, that was the one that got away and it came. It was in great condition. It fit perfectly. It was exactly as. As I remembered it. So yeah. So that was really awesome. Have you found anything on Depop lately that you love? It's so great.

[Elise Hu]

Well, I just wanted to. Yes. And you. Because Depop is such a great place to go, what you think has gotten away? Like, if you saw something that was for sale a season ago, two seasons ago, and you didn't get it at the time, but would still like to take a shot at getting that pair of jeans or that dress that you wanted, I have been able to find either pre loved versions of that item or sometimes new with tags. So as you know, I like wearing a lot of reformation like blouses and dresses. And there was a dress that, I don't know, maybe last year I really liked there that I couldn't afford and I kind of regret that I didn't get.

[Kara Swisher]

Yes.

[Elise Hu]

But this year when I was searching on Depop and I like remembered the name of it, there were several versions of it in different colors available on Depop. And then I didn't have to spend the retail price too. And often a lot of these items are still new with tax. And so it works both ways, not only for us as buyers, but also us as sellers. I have a lot of things that like, just didn't fit me right and I didn't return them or I bought it and I forgot about it and now I'm not into it. And then I will sell because I have a shop on Depop and somebody can. Somebody else out there in the ecosystem can love it and enjoy it and who knows, maybe they're like us. They've been searching for that very top all along.

[Dory Shafrier]

Well, Elise, we also have not discussed this, but I have also been selling on Depop.

[Elise Hu]

Oh, yay.

[Dory Shafrier]

Yeah. If you want to find my shop, it's forever Dory. It's been going well. I've sold a bunch of stuff and I'm also trying to be like, selective because, you know, some of the, some of the pieces that I've sold, I'm like, oh, I actually like this. But I never wear it, like for whatever reason, maybe it doesn't quite fit exactly right or the colors, like just not the right color for me. And I've just had to be like, you know what, someone else is going to appreciate this more than I do. So it's been great to do that on Depop because the process is super quick and super simple. Like I've sold on different platforms before and I think depops is the easiest to sell on.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah. And it's just really rewarding to see that someone can buy a piece that you have loved and know that it's going to someone who's actually going to

[Dory Shafrier]

value it a hundred percent. So download the Depop app and list your first item in seconds. It's so easy and a great way to make money easily with no selling fees. Thank you again, depop, for making this branded segment possible. All right, well, let's introduce our guest. Kara Swisher is the host of on with Kara Swisher and the co host of the Pivot podcast. She's also an editor at Large New York magazine and a CNN contributor. She is the co founder of the technology website Recode the Tech Conference Code, which is the country's premier conference on tech and media. And her new CNN original series, Kara Swisher Wants to Live Forever premiered on April 11th. It is fascinating. I highly suggest you check it out. I learned about things I, I feel like I can't unknow now I'll put it that way. Spent a lot of time with people that I probably would not choose to spend time with.

[Elise Hu]

Okay, good tease.

[Dory Shafrier]

Yes. All right, so we will be right back with Kara.

[Elise Hu]

We'll be right back.

[Kara Swisher]

Okay.

[Dory Shafrier]

Kara swisher, welcome to Forever 35. It's very nice to have you on the show.

[Kara Swisher]

Nice to be here. Yeah.

[Dory Shafrier]

I was thinking the name of our show is sort of ironic given your new CNN series, I remember 35.

[Elise Hu]

It's ironically named anyway.

[Kara Swisher]

But yes, I remember 35. The last century.

[Dory Shafrier]

Yeah. Before we get into the new show, which is fascinating and everything else we do, always start our conversations with our guests by asking them about a self care practice that they have.

[Kara Swisher]

Oh, okay. I go to hardware stores specifically, I love hardware stores and I enjoy wandering through them and looking at all the things because they're so ridiculous, some of them. And Small and interesting and people are very inventive about different hacks and things like that. And so I, I go, then I wander. And there's a particular one. There's. I have one in each city, but the one in San Francisco is my favorite, which is Cliffs Hardware, which is about to have its 90th birthday. It's the finest hardware store in the land. It's in the Castro, San Francisco. And I just love it. Every time I go there I find something delightful and it's very calming. I enjoy it.

[Elise Hu]

Do you take on your own like DIY projects?

[Kara Swisher]

Yeah, it depends. Not heavy duty things. I mean I have my home renovated by experts. I don't really feel like building a wall, but I, I'm interested in it. I. I certainly fix family with my kids. I have a lot of kids. But I'm the fix it mom. So I fix it. Like they don't bring them to my wife Amanda, they bring them to me and I fix whatever battery needs put in or something broke off or something's not clicking right. It falls to me. Although I won't do Lego.

[Elise Hu]

I can't stand like it's just too tedious.

[Dory Shafrier]

And we're talking about sort of like mom and pop hardware stores. Not like a Home Depot.

[Kara Swisher]

No, no, no, no. I mean I don't mind a Home Depot alone, but they're kind of like vast and you know, I like smaller stores. And Cliffs is like if you ever in San Francisco, there's lots to see. But it's a wonderful, fantastic old time hardware store. There's one in, in D.C. called Strauss Neiders in Bethesda, which I also, I like. I like the people I start talking to, the guys who are, you know, will tell you what screw you need if you know where's this tiny little screen. They know exactly where it is and. Or whatever do hickey you need. And I just, I like it. It's very comforting. I don't. I know it sounds crazy, but it calms me down and I like it.

[Elise Hu]

It's not at all. And some of my fondest memories with my father are going to the hardware store with him.

[Kara Swisher]

Assessing the situation. The tool that you need.

[Elise Hu]

Exactly. Or just like finding a really good deal or doohickey or tool.

[Kara Swisher]

Lots of things. So Carmeister, whoever buys for them are very creative people. And Cliffs is particularly funny because then there's the whole overlay of a gay neighborhood. So you have all this wild stuff in there too. And at Halloween it's astonishing. Like they pick out the best costumes and lights and they always really nice kitchen stuff and just really good taste. So it's a hardware store with extraordinarily good taste, but it's not too expensive. Yeah. So it's great. Yeah.

[Dory Shafrier]

I feel like the next time I go to San Francisco, I'm going to be like, and I must check out this hardware store.

[Elise Hu]

Now it's a destination.

[Kara Swisher]

Yeah.

[Dory Shafrier]

It shouldn't be a tour guide.

[Kara Swisher]

One thing that's amazing about, again, it's almost 90 years. It's going to be in business. It's got the most beautiful storefronts. They do all these incredibly creative storefronts that are funny as fuck. Like, they're really. Some of them are dirty, some of them are. They're just funny, funny, funny.

[Elise Hu]

We are having you on, Kara, because you are headlining this new series about aging.

[Kara Swisher]

Well, it's not about aging well. It's about this technology around longevity. And it was sort of born because all the tech pros I cover are very interested in longevity. And so. And a lot of them are investing a lot, whether it's Sam Altman or Larry Ellison or Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos. They've been making all these investments in various fields of longevity. And so I was exploring what's real and then sort of online, obviously influencers have taken over every aspect of our lives. Political influencers, sports influencers, dance influences. And of course, in healthcare and beauty. It's gotten out of control and there's a lot of really nonsensical crap on there. And so I wanted to explore that also and try things and see what really is as scientifically based and one is just expensive nonsense that takes advantage of consumers.

[Dory Shafrier]

I watched the first episode and you talked to Brian Johnson, who has been kind of in the news for the past few years.

[Kara Swisher]

Years. He.

[Dory Shafrier]

He gets very sort of defensive when you say he's an influencer. And I'm wondering, like, did anything about your conversation with him surprise you or like, what did you take away from that?

[Kara Swisher]

Well, you know, I. I knew him before in the before times when he looked like a normal person. I don't mean to say, like, people transform. He's obviously transformed himself and he likes it. He's aware he's a bit of a circus act and he kind of welcomes it by his ridiculous photographs and all his, like, you know, he's like, I'm not an influencer. I'm like, look at these 10 pictures of which, you know, trying to be a thirst trap in this one and vial of blood in this one. He's in. He's actually, you know, there was a very pretty tough article in the New York Times about how he is as an employer. But I've known him for a while and then he just reappeared as this thing, like this thing holding up a blood vial or measuring his erection at night and stuff like that. So it was a big shift. And, you know, he sort of gets written about because he's spending all this money trying to be younger, trying to live longer. And he has dope diets thing, which he says is not wanting not to die, but not not wanting to live forever. It's wanting not to.

[Dory Shafrier]

I was confused. I was honestly confused by that.

[Kara Swisher]

I was, you know, he's just playing. He's playing word games is what he's doing pretty much. And you know, fine, everyone has their own little journey in life. Like, I don't really care, like. But one of the things he's doing, I think, is creating this, this idea that he's trying to help humanity. And what he's doing is he's just giving us an experiment for one person. And that's the point I want to make, is this isn't going to help everybody. He' under this misapprehension that he's going to. His data matters to everyone, but it doesn't. It's just Brian Johnson's data. And the whole thing about studies is it's a lot of people. Right. So you get a range of different people. And so I just, you know, there's a narcissism involved in it, obviously, and then the sort of futility of it because he'll die.

[Elise Hu]

Right, right.

[Kara Swisher]

You know, and so what is he doing here? And so I think I had to talk to him because he's sort of the stop on it and he's the most extreme example. But then there's a lot of stuff going on like this where they try to sell us all manner of elixirs and potions. This is not a new thing, by the way. It's happened forever. This, this is not a new phenomenon of humanity, but it has gotten turbocharged in this social media age especially.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah. I was going to ask you sort of what's new about it and how gendered is.

[Kara Swisher]

Well, it's interesting because it's very male. Some of it's very male oriented. Right. If you prot. You know, with men right now it's protein maxing. Right. Which is nonsensical. These advice, this advice to have this much protein. Every doctor you talk, actual doctor you talk to and you know, medicine change over time. That's not, that's not to say it shouldn't but you know, this double the amount you're supposed to take and everyone goes along. Oh, they say it, you know, like, right. It's not scientifically based or red light. Oh, it's going to solve this and this and this. I said maybe if you have some inflammation and a wound, sure. But not, it's not going to make you look like a baby suddenly, you know. And so I think, you know, oh, I swear by it. I'm like, okay, so it's, it can go both ways. Like red light machines, probably more women, protein maxing. Now there's electronic vests that you wear when you exerc size. It gives you an extra edge and it's just not true. It's just, I mean it's, it's. Some parts of it are a little true, but it's not worth the money you're paying. And, and my point is you can do a lot of other things that are invisible and cost free that you do in your 20s and 30s and up, you know, and then it will benefit in the 70s. It's just not as sexy as, you know, putting, you know, putting shrimp semen on your face and suddenly you're 35 forever.

[Elise Hu]

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[Kara Swisher]

Yeah, I think there's a lot of advice around social sociability and, and in terms of the health benefits from it. I interviewed Harvard Happiness Study brain scientists and a bunch of people and it's like it's very clear that social, social interactions are critical and loneliness I talked a lot about, there's, there's deleterious health effects from loneliness and especially isolation from online and so yeah, I've started to do more social things that I, you know a lot of us stopped doing them during COVID which is Covid kind of broke us a little bit in that regard and we have to really re establish and actually young people really the numbers for social media are down because it's not, there's nothing social about it. There isn't. It's fine for entertainment. My kids My older Kids watch YouTube. It's TV. Like I'm good, I watch TV. Like big deal. But it's the idea of that it, that it takes all your time and it takes all your attention and so I do that a lot less. And it's addictive. So it's hard for everybody, for all of us. And you know, some of the stuff around VO2 max I think is really interesting. Like I started running again and doing more interval training which I think is important strength training. I already had been doing that focusing on not today and I'm older but like when I'm 80, like I think I will be fitter when I'm 80 or at least. Look, you can't, no one's escaping death, right? But you can have, you can really compact your. You have a lifespan and a health span and there's too much of a Delta between those two. I think it's 64 is when people start to see some real decline in lots of things just because of the natural thing. And I think our lifespan right now is, was 79. So health span is 64. And I've. So there shouldn't be a 15 year delta where you have to deal with. So you could, you know, at some point you are going to get too old to move or things like that. But then there's all sorts of really interesting interventions happening in Korea around robotics and AI and you know, things that exocells where I find MRNA technology, GLP1 is really interesting and talk to a lot of doctors, real doctors about that. And of course, you know, even though AI leaders tend to use it as hype, which I think they do, there's a lot of forward momentum in that area in terms of using AI to help drug discovery, cancer research. I talked to a group called Face Age and when doctors deal with people who have cancer, they eyeball them and decide whether they can take aggressive cancer treatment. And this thing is AI and it looks at you and it looked like a 76 year old woman and she has a face age of 62 and they're like, oh, we'll give her more aggressive, you know this.

[Dory Shafrier]

Oh, that's true.

[Kara Swisher]

AI is recommending more aggressive and doctors can use it as a tool. It doesn't mean it's the final arbiter. Several cases it worked really well. The doctors are 50, 50 right. And the AI is 80, 90% right. So you know, if you have cancer that's something you'd really want to avail yourself to.

[Dory Shafrier]

So can you talk a little bit more about this sociability question.

[Elise Hu]

Sure.

[Dory Shafrier]

Lisa and I were actually just kind of talking about this because Elise is a very social person. So that this makes me think, Elise, you might, you might live forever.

[Kara Swisher]

You're not gonna live forever. Sorry again.

[Elise Hu]

Or my health span will be longer.

[Kara Swisher]

Yeah, exactly. We all know the last page.

[Dory Shafrier]

What is the research on this?

[Kara Swisher]

Well, it's very clear. It's that, you know, there's been things like the Harvard happiness Study. You know, a lot of people are like, is it correlated or causative? And social ability is causative. It really is. And so one thing I did is I went with this brain neuroscientist, well known neuroscientist, to a game night, Brooklyn, where all these young people were, they put down their phones, they started playing games. So there's a whole bunch of things happening there. And they're talking first, they're talking to each other second, they're playing games which are very good for cognitive health. Like very, very good to play games, especially ones you don't know well, like that you can, I would say, I will say I kicked their ass in poker, like pretty badly because they were kids and they're not good at bluffing and I am. And, and you know, they just talk and they put their phones away and they. It has all manner. The doctor I was like, well, it's just n. She's like, no, no stuff is happening here that's really good for, you know, lowering cortisol, lowering stress, lowering all these things that then have a later thing that you get when you're on the phone, this sense of isolation, the sense of doom. Scrolling. So, you know, I interview lots of people about this issue and there's some of the more significant studies, not just, not just friends and family, but meeting new people and actually even having short encounters with people. You know, you're at the coffee thing. I urge all your listeners to try this. When you go get coffee, spend one day, every time you see someone that you have a real encounter with, not just anyone on the street. Cause then it gets a little mush is you go, hey, how's your day going? Try it, see what happens. It helps them, it helps you. I ordered a coffee and I said, how was your day? And this is what happens. What you asked about me and it just, you could feel. It's a really interesting thing that happens with people. And if you even engage further, even if it's a short encounter, is actually quite good for you and for them.

[Elise Hu]

I want to ask you about what you think the motivation of a lot of these longevity Bros or longevity maxers is is there kind of this money? That's what I was going to say. Is there actually a deeper philosophical quest here or has this become kind of a bubble and it's about just trying to sell people resveratol and stuff?

[Kara Swisher]

No, it's. This has been around since forever. Like, oh, what's the next thing I can do to take a shortcut to something? Like, we're all about shortcuts in this country. Especially in this country, right? Which there aren't shortcuts to most things. And if I only took think about the old diet industry. Now it's the grapefruit diet. Oh, no, no, no. Now you have to do this. Oh, no, no, no. When it's always been the same thing. Whole foods, legumes, not so much red meat, no matter what that idiot RFK says. He's such a moron. You know, this is not new stuff. And I think a lot of people get, you know, they want to make it into a cell thing. Like, hey, if you do this, it's just most of the things that really, really work don't cost anything. And so they have to sell you on something. And I always say if there's a supplement or bar involved or a program, you probably are getting taken in some way. And I mean, they may believe it. They maybe they'll believe it, but I don't think they do. I mean, I don't know.

[Elise Hu]

The other dimension of this is just that we have so many ways to measure various metrics of data, right? So we have all this data that then convince that we need more stuff, right? Like there's all these subscription services where you can get more blood draws than your typical blood panel, right? And then people who swear by their aura rings.

[Kara Swisher]

The aura ring is an interesting thing because it does give you some interesting data, right? Especially if you have heart issues or, you know, if most people don't have arterial fibrillation problems, right? So, but it's, you know, in the one case you do fantastic. But, but people like to count, right? Oh, this number means this 10,000 steps. And so when I was wearing a lot of these in the early days, I was like, 10,000 steps. I'm like, and, and they're like, 10,000 steps. I'm like, what does it mean? Like, what is it? You get a lot of data without meaning and it never. And they try on their apps to knit it together. You got this many. This is what it means. But does it. And one of the two moments was when I was interviewing Zeke Emanuel, and he's in this documentary. He's a doctor, and he's written a great book called Eat yout Ice Cream. And he. I was wearing the aura ring. And he goes, oh, do you like that? I go, well, the data is interesting. I really. I saw that. I didn't sleep well last night. He goes, didn't you know that when you woke up? And I was like, I did. I didn't need the aura ring to

[Dory Shafrier]

tell you the score.

[Kara Swisher]

I didn't need the score. And I was like, oh, you're right.

[Elise Hu]

Where are you on the, like, chief medical officers and the doctors, the Peter Atias out there?

[Kara Swisher]

Well, we know Peter Tia there.

[Elise Hu]

I mean, Peter Attia, specifically is problematic at best.

[Kara Swisher]

Yeah, well, he's got problems. And by the way, I don't know if what he was talking about was low carb or not. Probably to Jeffrey Epstein. That was really unfortunate. You can't even. You're like, oh, my God, you couldn't

[Dory Shafrier]

make it up, right? No.

[Kara Swisher]

You know, some of his stuff is right, but it's like, all performative. You know, the protein stuff is over too much. Like, too much. And one of the things is. And I. I've had arguments with people. It's like the perfect squat. Like, well, look, just let's get people squatting. Like, that's people. You know, you sort of are like, it's. So. I find. I find it interesting, but narcissistic, right? It's. It's. It's done from a narcissistic point of view versus a health for all of us. Point of view. And I'm a health for all of the rest of us. And it creates this sort of. And he does, like, look, it was very clear. He started to do consult with rich people. Like, he's not helping everybody. Like, you know who I like? Jack le Lane. Jack LaLanne. You never heard of him? 100 years ago, he. Here's a broomstick, ladies. We're gonna do a twist, you know, with the broomstick. Hey, you have a. It was sexist for the time, but it was like, y' all have broomsticks at home? Here's what you can use. Here's three calisthenics you could do here. Let's go walking. Go watch Jack Lalanne. And you're like. Like, that is exactly right. You know what I mean? And he was, of course, making money on the show, but there weren't. It just was a different attitude. It's for everybody. And I think there's, you know, that's what I like. And our country should have a much more focus on preventative care. I mean, which they do in Korea, which they do everywhere. And you know, the judicious use of AI in terms of health. That would be great if the government and people that care about safety were involved in it rather than seven dudes from Silicon Valley. I want to maximize shareholder value, that kind of stuff. And of course our government has never been committed to universal, universal health care. Seems, I can't even believe it's. Well, it's such a no brainer.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah.

[Kara Swisher]

And we did it around smoking, we did it around drinking, you know, we did it around a lot of stuff. So I think it's certainly possible. And people have a lot. What's great is people have a lot more information. And what's bad is people have a lot more information. So some of the information just isn't vetted. And even smart people. I had some guy going on to me about peptides. I'm like, he's like, no, they work, they're proven. I'm like, actually if you look into it and do the reporting, it's been tested on 14 people. That's a small sample size or something. That's not the number, but it's very small. It's a very small thing or any of it. Typically enough testing has not been done on many of the things, but they don't, doesn't stop people from selling it. And the problem with peptides is a lot of it comes from China. There's some that are. If you, and they eject it yourself and, and a lot of times people do that and, and it might not have impurities. And everyone's like, well it's subcutaneous. I'm like, no, no, you're going to get sepsis, my friend, if you get the wrong batch. So I think, and I'm not trying to scare them, it's like it's not regulated so you're going to get what you get. And you know, that's the kind of stuff. And it's like, and it doesn't, it's not clear. It helps, right? It's not clear. And so why, why are you a human guinea pig to things that aren't regulated or some. And even though the FDA is too slow and I'm like, I don't know, I think we're doing okay not eating a lot of tainted meat. There's. It gets in there in our system, but for the most part I trust you know, the or the water. Like the water used to be. Look, our country used to people die of cholera. Yeah, they don't die. Well maybe now and RFK is America. They do you get from these hair.

[Elise Hu]

Terrifying. Terrifying.

[Dory Shafrier]

Yeah.

[Kara Swisher]

He's a. He's best friend to measles. That's my name for him. Best friend to measles.

[Dory Shafrier]

You were recently talking on your podcast on with Kara Swisher about AI and you. You compared it to a Twinkie instead of an apple. And you were kind of talking about how you think people are going to

[Kara Swisher]

tire of AI certain AI. I was talking about the slop that comes out. No, look, AI has look. It's like any, any technology look. I'm really loving electric lights. I don't love the electric chair. You know, so there's, there's all manner of. That have twin feelings and parts of AI are going to be astonishing. Drug discovery, making things slow, doing scenarios so that we can like there's takes a long time to make certain drugs and so it can speed up in ways that are really quite amazing. You know, climate change, it probably can help us with, you know, all kinds of stuff. It has great uses and it will and that's clear. It hasn't yet. But crispr things like that, they're really moving forward very quickly. And I do believe that's in an astonishing way. And what I think's going to happen is, is we're going to have some diseases. Not all diseases. No. Probably we could start to cure all diseases in some fashion, but. But that's a fake promise for today. Like it over promises. But I'm talking about AI slop and this stuff. And I do think people, when they. Years ago when I was at the MIT lab, they were trying to do these faces that help people with very simple, you know, instead of having an intake nurse, like most people have six things when they go to an emergency room, most of which are minor and you can resolve pretty quickly. Instead of people waiting. And the problem they had was with the eyes. They could. People, humans could see it that they weren't people. Right. And it was always the eyes that everyone can see. Eyes. Eyes are very hard to replicate in any AI kind of situation. And so when all that, you know, Sora came out of, it was like it's ended the day for Hollywood. I'm like, look, look, it's going to get better. But something's wrong with it that the humans. And when I started to see winning movies this year, they were all. They used technology, all of them, but they all Were individually creative movies, sinners, weapons, one battle after another. Even the most recent one project Hail Mary, there's a lot of technology in that, but technology isn't the center of the show. And so I think that's. If you can use AI in combination with humans, that's the, that's the one we want with humans in control of it. And it's using as a, as a, as an aid and really super, supercharged aid. I think that's could be fantastic for a lot of people.

[Dory Shafrier]

So we're just going to take a short break and we will be right back. You know, I feel like we put so much effort into our skin care with all the serums, the treatments, facials routines, etc. Etc. But do we think about the thing touching our skin for eight hours every single night?

[Elise Hu]

Our sheets?

[Dory Shafrier]

Yes. Let's spend some time considering our bedding.

[Elise Hu]

Good point, Good point.

[Dory Shafrier]

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[Elise Hu]

Yeah.

[Dory Shafrier]

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[Elise Hu]

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[Dory Shafrier]

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[Elise Hu]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dory Shafrier]

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[Elise Hu]

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[Dory Shafrier]

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[Elise Hu]

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[Dory Shafrier]

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[Elise Hu]

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[Dory Shafrier]

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[Elise Hu]

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[Kara Swisher]

Correct. Cheekily.

[Elise Hu]

What do you want folks to learn or do after watching the series?

[Kara Swisher]

I want, I want them to get back to the Steve Jobs idea of mortality is respecting mortality and understanding you only have a short life on this earth.

[Dory Shafrier]

Right.

[Kara Swisher]

And compared to all of time. Right. And that we have this beautiful planet and we should start focusing on, use, use death as, as an inspirational. Steve Jobs talked about this. It's the greatest inspiration for life is to understand you have limited time and so use the time you have to be as healthy as you can for as long as you can and use, you know, there's no shortcuts to anything. Right. And, and, and so I want people to think about that like what are they doing now that's gonna have implications later to the planet, that they could have implications later. And they don't have to. Look, I'm not gonna. I'm not. This is not a tsk tsky documentary. I'm just telling you like it is. I'm like, look, if you do these things, probably you'll have a better life at the end, but there will be an end. And so I want people to think about that and make it one of the last episode. I talked to some religious leaders. I talked to this one professor from Skidmore where he's doing a study of that. People that are death accepting live longer and are healthier. He's doing a study right now compared to death fears. And they, you know what happens with death fears? They become polarized, they hateful, hateful of the other, angry, sicker and that kind of stuff. And it sort of describes our country right now. We're in a death fear zone or something like that. And so a lot of the stuff that Silham Valley is selling to me is death fear, right? And it's like, don't be scared of it. Be looking forward to your time here. And one of the things that really, really affected me just recently was the Artemis. The Artemis photos. Not just the photos, the astronauts themselves, right? And what's astonishing is that they're very. I don't know what to say. They're so human and yet they're so surrounded by technology, right? These, these people and technology got them. They went on the. They went further. Any human being has ever gone away from the Earth, but when they looked back and took these stunning pictures, right? And it just was astonishing to see the amount of technology at work. And at the same time, I think Christina Cook, I think that's how you pronounce it. She's one of the crew members. And this quote was astonishing. We will explore, we will build. We will build ships, we will visit again. We will construct science outposts, we will drive rovers, we will do radio astronomy, we will found companies, we will boost our industry, we will inspire. But ultimately, we will choose Earth. We will always choose each other. That's like. It's such a perfect sentence. We are going to use technology. We are going to, like, live longer. We're going to do things to help us all. But ultimately, this is the planet we're on. And I think that's the, that's the kind of attitude I'm trying to push here is that let's, let's understand where we're going and try to boost each other in some way and at the same time not be letting. Like, we're not going to build, we're not going to explore, we're not going to go on. And the analogy I would use is Star Trek vs Star wars, which I talked about in my book, Burn Book, where Steve Jobs and I were talking and he said, I love Star wars and Star Trek. Excuse me. And actually there's a scene in the Star Trek museum in upstate New York. It's in a small little town in New York. They've moved the whole set there, which is kind of fascinating. And all the Trekkies go. And you can make fun of them. I think they're adorable. But, but, but one of the things with Star Trek, it was about people, right? There was technology everywhere. It was about people and it was about their interactions and their community. And they go out and explore and sometimes people don't make it. And some people. It was a very human science fiction version of the future. Hopeful, very hopeful and about getting. It was like the Benetton ad of science fiction and in the old days. And still Star wars is a very dark version of that technology that kills technology that overwhelms people. Darth Vader is a creature because of technology. He gets somewhat redeemed at the end, but still technology takes over in a way and destroys and humanity gets lost and evil wins. And that to me is. It's sort of when I first started to see people using drones for war and they were playing it like they were playing video games. And I kept thinking, do you know that's a person down there? Like, even if you don't agree with them, my God, like it's, it sort of takes away from the humanity of it. And I just, I wanted people to understand that when they have a limited amount of time on this planet and we none of us know when that's going to be you, you, you have to do the best possible while you're here for the most people. And I think that's what I would love the tech industry to get thinking about, is how can we help everyone instead of just taking all the juicy bits for ourselves. And that would be a wonderful thing because we are blessed with this astonishing planet. I'm not a religious person, but it's so obvious when you look at those pictures. You can't not believe in something greater than the, than yourself. So anyway, also, I have some fun getting in a hyperbaric chamber and taking ketamine. Don't get in a hyperbaric chain unless you have the bends, girls. Okay, don't get. Do it. You don't need more oxygen. There's plenty out here right now.

[Dory Shafrier]

Johnson does it every day.

[Kara Swisher]

No, I know. I. It just. You know what you should do? Hug your children. That's what you'll make you live longer. I. That's. Absolutely sure. I'm sure of that one.

[Elise Hu]

Kara Swisher, thank you so much. You were wonderful.

[Kara Swisher]

Thank you.

[Dory Shafrier]

Cara is so herself. Like, she's exactly the same as she is like, on all her podcasts, on all her TV stuff.

[Elise Hu]

And it's funny because we asked her for the Patreon extra kind of who she was when she was 35 and she's now in her 50s, and she's, like, exactly the same. I've been the same person since I was 4 years old. And I completely believe her.

[Dory Shafrier]

We were like this, you know, just quick, whatever comes to your mind. And, you know, she just was, like, giving these great explanations for everything.

[Kara Swisher]

Yep, yep.

[Elise Hu]

With the best of them. Yeah, exactly. Lots of respect for that.

[Dory Shafrier]

I love that. Well, Elise, last week you were on a fiber journey.

[Elise Hu]

Yes.

[Dory Shafrier]

How did that go for you?

[Elise Hu]

Not bad, not bad. Cruciferous vegetables are delicious. I just remember Dr. Presha saying, like, you know, not just the lettuce on a burger, go for broccoli and cauliflower. And I love roasted broccoli and cauliflower, so. So I have no problem with that. I just need to make sure to be intentional. And then for this week, I. Especially with travel, I get away from strength training. You know, I don't do I. I manage to go outside for a run here or there or like, get on the hotel treadmill, but I don't, because I'm away from classes. And I typically take those, like, ridiculous strength training classes or Pilates classes because I'm away from them. I don't do it. And so that's going to be my intention just to get back into doing some things for strength. And, you know, my rotator cuff and all of that.

[Dory Shafrier]

I love that.

[Elise Hu]

What about you?

[Dory Shafrier]

Well, last week, my intention was to just be present.

[Elise Hu]

Yes.

[Dory Shafrier]

And have fun. And I feel like I was able to do that. I mean, it's kind of funny that, like, I need to sort of state that to make it happen. But you know what?

[Elise Hu]

That's the point of these intentions. Right. Just to essentially create the marker for it. Yep.

[Dory Shafrier]

That's where we are right now. And then this week, I have some travel coming up, so I think I am also going to copy your intention from last week. Try to keep things regular.

[Elise Hu]

Keep regular. Yeah. All right. Good intention.

[Dory Shafrier]

So yeah. All right. Thanks everybody. Forever 35 is hosted and produced by me, Dori Shafriar and Elise Hu and produced and edited by Sam Hobby Junio. Sammy Reed is our Project Manager and our network partners acast. We'll talk to you soon.

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Talk to you next time.

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