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Hello and welcome to Forever 35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I'm Dory Shafrier.
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And I'm Elise Hu and we're just two friends who like to talk a
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lot about serums and this is a mini episode where we hear from you, we share your comments and your thoughts and we answer your questions to the best of our ability. But please remember we are not experts, we are podcast hosts and we always encourage you to seek support first and foremost from a medical and or mental health professional as needed.
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Is this our second to the last mini app that we're doing on regular weekly at a regular weekly cadence it is.
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Elise.
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Wow. Indeed. Okay, so for listeners who have missed this announcement in previous episodes, we in May are going to once weekly shows that are going to alternate between a standard catch up and interview format and the mini format, which we will now rename something like Listener Mailbag or.
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Well, and they're also, they're also going to be longer. So they're not going to be mini episodes anymore. That's why we are not calling them mini episodes. So the idea is that going to every two weeks with these listener feedback episodes, that they'll be a little more like robust. And yeah, we're excited about it. So we're also going to drop the
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numbering after a certain number.
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Oh yeah. Yes, we are going to drop the numbering. So just FYI.
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Yeah, so the feedback on that is. So we went to our network acast, y' all probably are familiar with acasta and ask them, you know, which day of the week would be a good day for us to drop our new once weekly episodes. And of course for Patreon subscribers, casual chats stay on Fridays and they're still the monthly pop culture chats. So we will see you on our. Or you will hear from us on our normal days for the Patreon extras. But we asked them and they were like, you know what? And this was kind of a side finding, I guess, because it seemed like it was pretty even like Mondays or Wednesdays. And so ultimately I think we decided to keep it to once a week on Mondays because that's what the listener community wanted. But they were like, you know, one thing that could get in the way of new listeners coming to Forever 35 and making it part of their listening habits are the numbered episodes. Because the number of episodes is now climbed into, I don't know, the hundreds.
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Like deep in the hundreds.
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Yeah, something. And so that could be a barrier to entry. So now we're just gonna name the episodes, whatever the topics are, and then hopefully people can find us who haven't gotten to get on the Forever 35 train yet.
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Yeah. So, yeah. Just wanted to keep everyone in the loop. Elise, how are you?
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Very overwhelmed. Because I wasn't really on a vacation, you know, I was working. Yes, these crazy 12 hour days and then there's parties and dinners every night. I got into the elevator at one point in the middle of the afternoon because I had some downtime, I think. And I get into the elevator with this other guy who's at ted and he was just like, I have no social battery left. I need, I need to go away. And just. It's just a lot of people all the time and the ideas, it really is like a workout for your brain. I was interviewing all these brilliant people one after another, and it's just like, oh, what am I talking about?
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I feel like a lot of the people there are pretty social media and are pretty extroverted. And even for them, it's a lot. It's a lot of interaction. Yeah.
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And then there's also a lot of options, you know, so after dinner, it's like, oh, do you want to go to this party or this party or this other party? Yes. And there.
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Or.
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Or karaoke, and it's at 11:30 at night, and then the sessions start again at 8:30 the next morning. And it's just like, oh, my God.
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Oh, my God. Okay.
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This is very intense. I got home kind of late on Friday, but then just in time to be in it with the kids, to put them to bed and everything, because one of my kids is traveling for a volleyball tournament. So Ava was off with her dad, who usually handles the weekends, but because he was traveling with one of them, I had the other two all weekend and all of their activities and you know what, random play dates and driving back and forth and soccer and so I'm just like, what day is it? Holy crap, It's Monday already. We're recording this on a Monday?
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Yes.
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And, you know, there's just the random detritus of life. Yeah, I. Yeah. And now, I mean, we're just back in the week, so hopefully I just sneak in some time during the week to get caught up.
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Yeah.
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Because. Oh, boy. But one thing that I think will be a relief is that I don't have travel for a bit. I don't think I'm traveling in May, so.
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Oh, wow.
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I can finally just kind of get set, maybe.
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I, on the other hand, am traveling.
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Yeah. You're leaving soon.
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Yeah, I'm leaving soonish. I'm leaving when this. Actually, I'm leaving the day that this airs. So. Yeah. And we have a new dog sitter.
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Oh,
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we love our current dog sitter and dog walker, but she has become so successful that she's, like, never available. Like, people book her out, like, so far in advance. I'm like, we were your OGs.
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I know. Shouldn't you have priority?
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You know, I've noticed there are some people who, like, they take it as, like, a personal, like, goal to get in Beau's good graces. Because, you know, it takes, like. It like, takes some work to become a friend of Beau. Right.
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It becomes a badge of honor.
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Yes, exactly. So Matt has this friend, Kristen, who they have a weekly coffee date every Thursday, and I guess she was like, I want to meet Beau and Matt was like, okay, are you sure? You know, are you sure? And she was like, yes, I want to do it. So I don't know, like, a week or so ago, we did the whole thing. You got to give them all this cheese. And he, like, barked once at her, and then he was like,
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oh.
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Like, it was so fast. Like, usually it's like, it takes a while. Like, if there's, like, you know, and he'll bark at them and, like. But no, he was like, she has very calm energy. And I think he was just like, yep, all right, I'm good. And then she was like, I'll totally watch him. And we were like, you will. So she came over again yesterday, and he was, like, happy to see her,
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and what a relief.
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Oh, my gosh, what a relief. I. And also, like, I just like having someone at the house more than, like, having the house empty and him being at his daycare, which he loves, but, like, it's a. You know, it's hard. It's a long time to, like, be away from home, so I'm. I'm really happy that that is happening.
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Yeah. Are you excited?
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I am excited. Henry. I'm excited because Henry is so excited.
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That's great. Does he have a break from school, or are y' all just gonna pull him out?
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We're just going.
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Okay.
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Um, it's his birthday on Friday, so that is kind of like the. That was, like, the reason for the trip. He said, I want to see my grandparents and go to Disney World. And we were like, all right, we can probably make this happen, so we're going. And he's, like, genuinely really excited. It's, like, really sweet. And he also still kind of believes that the characters are real. And, like, that's so great.
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I remember going to Disney World at that age or around that age. I must have been nine, so a little bit older than Henry. And having an autograph book.
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Yes.
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And going around and getting the characters to sign an audio or my autograph book, and it forms a lot of core memories. Oh, you know, it's really sweet. My kids have never been, like, wildly into Disney. My oldest, Ava, was, because she was into, like, Disney Junior characters like Sophia, the first.
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Okay.
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Up until about maybe. And the Lion Guard, which is the continuation of the Multiverse. Yes. On Disney Junior.
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Got it.
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It's with Kion, who I believe is Simba's son. She's another generation. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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I mean, I'm not gonna be the one to correct you. I have no idea but anyway, she
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was really into all of that. But then the other girls have never been like really that into Disney stuff, so I haven't felt the like impetus to take them to Disney World. But what's so cool about Disney World is there's so many other parks too in Orlando, so you could just make like a whole thing of it.
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It should be good. Elise before we take a break, let's just remind everyone that they can call or text us at 781-591-0390 and email us at forever35podcastmail.com. We still love to get your voicemails, texts, emails, etc. We still need them for our listener episodes, so please send them in. Our website is forever35podcast.com. We have links there to everything we mention on the show. Our Instagram is Forever35 podcast. We also have our Patreon if you still want more of us. We will still be doing our weekly casual chats on Fridays and all the other fun stuff that comes with our Patreon like our semi monthly newsletter which you can get at the free level. And then at $5 a month you get access to our casual chat which is now on video. We also do live casual chats every few months. We you get access to our community chat and then at $10 a month we have ad free episodes and a shout out on the podcast each and every month. So there's a lot of good stuff over there. Head up over to patreon.com/forever35 to check it all out and shop our favorite products@shopmy us forever35 and then after the break we have a couple of like big questions, kind of serious questions from listeners. So we will get to those in a couple minutes. We'll be right back.
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All right, we are back. Elise, do you want to take this first question?
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Sure. Hi Forever35. I have one wreck and one question for advice from Dori, Elise and my fellow listeners. First, my skincare prod rec After Kate called in with her CeraVe moisturizer rack which I sadly have yet to find in a store, I wanted to shout out my CeraVe Ride or Die. I have been using their Skin Renewing Night cream for several years now and absolutely love it. It's the perfect weight year round, even in humid Atlanta summers and my skin drinks it up all night. I never feel greasy in the morning and the little tubs last several months hard indoors. Now for something more serious after about seven difficult and painful months. My newly minted husband we got married last June. Just checked himself into rehab for kratom or kratom, I'm not sure how it's pronounced, and alcohol addiction last week. I honestly feel more relieved than anything else, even though I'm devastated and so sad about what it took to get him to this point, especially the damage to our relationship. But he's safe now and being cared for by professionals. My question is for anyone who has gone through something similar in their marriage and how best to take care of myself during the next four to potentially 10 weeks. We don't have kids so it's just me working full time in public health, which is its own hellhole right now, and our two dogs. My church has set up a meal train for me which is awesome and I've hired a regular dog walker and yard guy to help out, but I'm hoping for more heart and mind related ideas rather than the practicalities. I am in weekly therapy and going to a family support group. Love the POD and how we can all bring our whole messy selves to this community. Thank you, thank you to our listener for writing in and for sharing this with us. I'm so glad to hear that you're in weekly therapy and you have a support group because one of the first things I was going to suggest is if you haven't been to Al Anon, which is different than aa. Al Anon is also, you know, part of the family, but it's for loved ones who have been affected by addiction in their lives. And that can be an awesome support group. And there's meetings everywhere in the world, but there's certainly a lot of meetings in Atlanta that you can look up and they're free and you know, they meet in places like rec centers and church basements and same as NA and aa. So that's one resource that you can go to as for books because I think you asked for right like heart and mind related ideas. I remember when I was in what I called the crisis turducken of pandemic year Turduckens we have in the south. It is a chicken stuffed inside a duck stuffed inside a turkey. It's a turducken. And I felt like when we were in our global pandemic plus the racial reckoning, plus I was in the middle of divorce. It was all like one big crisis turducken. I really liked and felt soothed by a book that's just a collection of tweets from, huh, the poet Maggie Smith. So she later wrote a memoir of her own divorce and her husband, her ex husband, seems like a total, by the way. But the book that I'm talking about came out in 2020 just as I was in the crisis turducken. And it's called Keep Moving Notes on Loss, Creativity and Change by Maggie Smith. And it really did start as just tweets that she was putting out that year to help us all. But she, I think, unbeknownst to us, was going through her own major rift in her own life, her own crisis. And so like her personal crisis that was in the middle of the global crisis. And obviously I went through the same thing and so or a similar thing. So I think that's a great one. The other I would recommend is an upcoming Forever 35 guest, Alex L. Alex L. Has written some beautiful books that are affirming and help us heal. There's one that's called How We Heal and the other one's called after the Rain. And those are both very lovely meditations and also actionable. But I would just say overall that in any time of crisis or transition, that it's really important to not be alone or feel alone like humans are wired to belong. And so ask for help. Know who your trusted people are. Go to them and you will find out how much they're your people too, because they're going to show up for you. So, and then I, I applaud you again for asking for help here. You know, addiction is its own particular thing. I have addiction in my life and in my family. And I would say, you know, you mentioned four to 10 weeks is kind of how you. The time you want to take care of yourself. But I have also found that it is depending on the severity of the addiction, it could be for much longer. You know, that you're having to be a loved one of somebody who is an addict. And so you kind of have to strap in for the ride too and think about how long term it can be and that your husband will likely need support far beyond the amount of time that he's actually just away from you in rehab.
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That's such good advice. I have heard a lot of people recommend the book Codependent no More. So that could also be something that you look at. I know I'm not trying to diagnose Anyone. I just know that codependency is often very wrapped up in issues of addiction and being with someone who is an addict. And so that might just be something you want to take a look at. I know. It's been really helpful for people. I know. Okay, we are going to get to one more question before we take another break. I feel like, Elise, this. This is a question that I think you are probably pretty well qualified to answer. All right. I would like to ask the Forever35 community for advice on how to navigate my daughter with puberty. She's ten and a half, and I feel like emotions run high with everything. I feel she's constantly struggling between wanting to grow up and still wanting to be little. I want to be present and here for her now through this so we can build a solid relationship for the future years. I also get so nervous about all there is to come. I know by experience how hard it can be, but that might not be her reality. I just want to be prepared for it all.
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I don't think there's any way to be prepared for it all. And I think that's what's so lovely about life. It's full of surprises. It's full of surprises. And if you were prepared for it all, that's taking a gamble that. That's basically making a bet that you could possibly know all the directions that your life and your daughter's life can take, which is a really limiting kind of possibility. Right. Like, don't you want her to have endless kinds of potential paths? So I don't think I can prepare you for it all, but I will say that. Yeah, just like, to the last. Last question. It could be longer than the amount of time that she's actually going through puberty itself. Right. Like, there's lots of ups and downs in a relationship. The most helpful thing, I think, is just to stay steady.
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They.
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They are going through such hormonal changes that, like, their. Their emotions can swing so wildly just within six minutes, Much, much less, like six hours. And so it's really been important for me, I think. And it's. It's. I'm learning as I go along just to react less, because there's a lot of times that I can take disrespect or rudeness really personally, rather than just understanding that she's in a place where she's just not emotionally equipped. And so seeing the kid as fundamentally good inside, you know, as Dr. Becky talks about, like, kids are good inside. They're just maybe not prepared for or not emotionally Equipped for what they're going through. Yeah, that I think is a really important framework. One on one time is so important too. Like anytime this is. I'm talking about my oldest in particular, but like, anytime we've been really kind of in a period of conflict or a period of just frustration with one another, it's been really healing to just not have any agenda and just like, go get a boba or watch a movie together. Like do something that has. That's not tied to school, it's not tied to activities, not tied to her feeling like she needs to achieve or anything like that and just like have time together. I think that's really good for our relationship. Just driving around and not asking her any questions is often when she shares. Yeah. On her own, so. Because, you know, I'm a very curious person and I can be a lot as a mom because I think that I ask a lot of questions, you know, like, I ask questions for a living and so. But then Ava often says, like, I feel like you're interrogating me, you know, when I'm just like, what, what's. What's the latest with, you know, J Dog or whatever? Because, like, I want to hear what the latest goss is. And she's like, God, I don't want to talk to you. You know, so we've, we've certainly been there.
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I mean, I get that with Henry also, and he's only about to turn seven, so, you know, some of it is probably just like the nature of being a kid. But yeah, obviously there's a lot of like, big hormonal changes that are happening.
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Yeah. I think stay steady, man, and do everything you can to make sure that you're taking good care of yourself. Because I have found, like the middle school years to be particularly challenging in a way that's much different than like, newborn or toddler years are challenging. Newborn and toddler years are challenging, I think, like more physically.
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Right.
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Like your sleep is disrupted, you're fault, you're having to kind of like actually get down and in the middle of crevices to pick up crayons or whatever. You're having to get low, you're coming to get high, you're picking, you're doing a lot of holding and rocking. Like that's physically challenging. This is a lot more of an obstacle course for your mind and emotions. And so it's cognitively challenging. And I don't know, I mean, I'm no expert in this. I just host a podcast in which I talk to experts about it. But I think the big takeaway from that is that we have to raise ourselves and take good care of ourselves so that we can show up fully for our kids. So just make sure that you are solid in what your values are as a family and then who you want to be as a parent. I think that is something to revisit again and again.
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I think that's such good advice, Elise. All right, we're going to take a short break and when we get back, we have a really interesting question about kind of the state of the tech world and AI that really got me thinking. So we'll be right back.
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We'll be right back.
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Elise, I want you to picture this, okay? It's the middle of the week. You want a home cooked meal, but you can't think of anything to cook except the same thing you cook every week.
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True story.
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I sure did. I made the Hellofresh classic beef tacos, which everyone loves. It comes with restaurant style salsa and a little chipotle lime crema. So we kind of, yeah, we made it a little more authentic for taco night. And it's classic, yet sure to satisfy. It was great for the whole family.
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You know, I feel like we put so much effort into our skin care with all the serums, the treatments, facials routines, et cetera, et cetera. But do we think about the thing touching our skin for eight hours every Single night.
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Our sheets.
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Yes. Let's spend some time considering our bedding.
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Good point. Good point.
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Yeah.
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And I'm kind of obsessed with them.
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Oh, I'm so excited.
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Super soft, but they also. They feel, like, substantial.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Like, I feel like I've gotten sheets in the past that just feel kind of flimsy, and these feel, like, really nice. Do you know what I mean?
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They're lux.
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Yes, they are lux. And they were soft when I, like, picked them up out of the box. But, you know, you washed your sheets before you put them on the bed and they got even softer, like, even just after the first.
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So great wash.
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Yes. So good.
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Yeah. But again, not fiction. I feel like, I mean, that was sort of the thing when my book came out is like, it's hard to sort of satirize a culture that satirizes itself. And so I suspect that that is why there is like not as much fiction about the tech world as like, you might think, because, like, the reality is so crazy.
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Though I will say the. I read really beautiful speculative fiction about AI and biomedical technology. It's a short book, but it's really beautiful. And it's called Toward Eternity. It's by Anton Hur, who a lot of readers might know because he is famous for his literary translation. He translates the works of like Han Kang and Bora Chung and all these huge Korean literary giants. But he wrote his own book and he wrote it all by hand. I actually hosted his event or, you know, moderated his event at Romans back when it came out a couple years ago. But the book itself is called Toward Eternity, a novel. The quick first line of the write up about it is, in a near future world, a new technological therapy is quickly eradicating cancer. The body cells are entirely replaced with nanites, robot or Android cells, which not only cure those affected or afflicted, but leaves them virtually immortal. So that's like one end of it, but then the other end of it. There's the literary researcher who teaches an AI how to understand poetry and creates like this living, thinking AI in honor of his husband. And these two creations intersect. So I thought it really made me think about this AI moment that we're in and what AI is capable of and what AI isn't capable of. Yes. So that's very thoughtful. And the other writer that I would suggest, because I love all of his thinking on AI is also a science fiction writer. Ted Chang C H I A N G and I think he gave some great interviews to Vogue or New Yorker about AI and how he thought about it. My overall thinking on AI, which is very hyped especially and it's especially like on at the top of my mind every time I met I'm a week back from TED because it's like every other conversation is that it seems so hyped to prop up our economy. There's so much just like one company investing in another company investing in another company that just props up each other's AI supporting data centers or chips or research.
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Yes, that's so interesting.
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There's a lot of concern that the bottom's going to drop off, drop out at some point or that, you know, our markets tend to be whatever we believe them to be. Right. The faith that we place in them. And so yes, this is a transformative technology. Yes, it's going to change and already changing society as we know it. How that pans out in the next few years is going to like, probably be something that we cannot predict. But one of my greatest concerns about it based on especially what happened with social media, is that we don't think through the ethical implications until way after it's too late and everybody's already adopted it.
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Yep. Huh. All right, such great, interesting questions for this week. Thank you all so much and we will talk to you soon.
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