Mini-Ep 433: Giant Swords of Meat

Summary

Forever35 Podcast Summary: Mini-Ep 433 – Giant Swords of Meat

Release Date: March 5, 2025
Hosts: Doree Shafrir & Elise Hu

In this engaging mini-episode of Forever35, co-hosts Doree Shafrir and Elise Hu delve into a variety of listener interactions, share personal anecdotes, and offer thoughtful advice on friendships and self-care. True to their signature blend of humor and self-awareness, Doree and Elise navigate questions and comments from their audience, providing a relatable and insightful experience for listeners.

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I. Recognition from The New York Times

Timestamp: 01:08 – 03:36

The episode kicks off with Doree and Elise celebrating a significant milestone: being featured in a New York Times roundup of the "five best beauty and self-care podcasts."
Doree Shafrir shares her excitement, saying, “We got listed in a little roundup of the five best beauty and self-care pods out there right now... I think they just did a roundup and yeah, Dory saw it from a Google Alert, so how amazing.”
Elise adds humorously about her methods of avoiding overwhelming news headlines by diving straight into games within the NYT app, highlighting their lighthearted approach to news consumption.

II. Upcoming Guest and Q&A Encouragement

Timestamp: 03:36 – 04:15

Elise announces an upcoming appearance by Rachel Goodwin, a makeup artist known for addressing specific beauty inquiries.
Elise Hu remarks, “She doesn’t do that much skin care. It is mostly like makeup stuff. So if you have makeup questions...”
Listeners are encouraged to submit their makeup-related queries via phone or email, ensuring that the episode remains interactive and audience-focused.

III. Listener Emails: Childhood Lice Outbreaks and Reflections

Timestamp: 04:15 – 07:13

Doree and Elise address an email from a listener concerned about her children itching at school, fearing a lice outbreak.
Doree Shafrir recounts her own experience from Thanksgiving 2018: “There was a lice outbreak at my daughter's elementary school... Ava got it... Thankfully, my youngest didn't.”
Elise confirms similar experiences, sharing, “We had a lice outbreak last year, and it was quite expensive for us.”

Further along, the hosts reflect on a listener's comment regarding an episode about water tasting bland:
Elise mentions, “We just got this text that said, 'from the archive, water tastes like nothing...'"
Doree relates personally, expressing her preference for icy cold water over lukewarm, adding a touch of personal insight to the discussion.

IV. Valentine’s Day Reflections and Restaurant Experiences

Timestamp: 07:13 – 10:34

The conversation shifts to Valentine's Day experiences, sparked by listener feedback. Doree shares her unconventional Valentine’s date night, including a visit to Fogo de Chão, a Brazilian steakhouse where she previously worked.
Doree Shafrir explains, “...evaluated whether these establishments were bumping or not bumping. And one place they went was the Brazilian steakhouse, Fogo de Cho.”
Elise humorously comments on the high demand at the restaurant: “I had noted that it was slammed. It was so bumping.”

The hosts also discuss Cassie David’s viral essay on feeling "too full to fuck," highlighting the importance of prioritizing intimacy and connection even when one feels physically satiated.
Elise Hu suggests, “The workaround if you do feel that sometimes you are too full to fuck is to fuck first.”
This segment underscores the podcast’s focus on authentic self-care and relationship dynamics.

V. Book Recommendation: "Maybe You Should Talk to Someone" by Lori Gottman

Timestamp: 17:05 – 18:18

Listener Catherine from Sacramento recommends Lori Gottman’s book, “Maybe You Should Talk to Someone,” focusing on therapist selection and personal therapy experiences.
Doree Shafrir highlights the book’s approach: “It has vignettes of her anonymized patients... she then kind of takes you through their whole journey.”
Elise acknowledges Gottman’s contributions to psychological literature, mentioning her advice column in The Atlantic and the creation of terms like "intersectionality" and "critical race theory."

VI. Friendship Advice: Supporting Friends with Anxiety and Depression

Timestamp: 19:05 – 25:03

A heartfelt question from a listener touches on maintaining a friendship with someone struggling with long-term anxiety and depression. The listener expresses concern about potentially enabling negative patterns while trying to offer support.
Elise Hu advises, “Focus less on worrying that you're enabling her and focusing more on does this friendship serve you... You can be a little bit more self-centered here.”
Doree Shafrir echoes similar sentiments, suggesting a reevaluation of the friendship’s foundation: “Maybe take another look at what your friendship is about...”
The duo emphasizes the importance of self-care and boundaries, acknowledging the challenges of supporting loved ones through mental health struggles without compromising one's own well-being.

VII. Chocolate Chip Cookies: Recipes and Enhancements

Timestamp: 25:03 – 28:42

The episode takes a sweet turn as Doree and Elise dive into listener-submitted chocolate chip cookie recipes.
A voicemail from Katie Sinden adds a creative twist: adding cannabis THC to cookies for a relaxing dessert.
Katie Sinden shares, “I put cannabis THC in my cookies... it's a perfect little take the edge off.”
Elise praises Katie as a long-time listener, encouraging more submissions: “Katie is a long time listener of Forever 35 and Excellent Adventure.”
Additionally, an Instagram DM from Joy the Baker features a recipe for two giant chocolate chip cookies, each occupying half a cookie sheet, exemplifying the hosts’ playful exploration of baking ideas.

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Throughout the episode, Doree and Elise maintain a warm and inclusive atmosphere, inviting listeners to engage through various platforms like Instagram, email, and voicemail. Their discussions balance personal experiences with practical advice, embodying the essence of Forever35 as a space for relatable self-care conversations.

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Notable Quotes:

• Doree Shafrir [01:31]: “We got listed in a little roundup of the five best beauty and self-care pods out there right now... how amazing.”

• Elise Hu [07:13]: “We had a lice outbreak last year, and it was quite expensive for us.”

• Elise Hu [18:26]: “She does have a good advice column in the Atlantic, right?”

• Doree Shafrir [25:03]: “Katie is a long time listener of Forever 35 and Excellent Adventure.”

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Forever35 continues to provide its audience with a blend of humor, personal stories, and thoughtful advice, making self-care an engaging and communal journey.

Transcript

[Dory Shafrir]

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[Elise Hu]

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[Dory Shafrir]

And I'm Elise Hu and we're just two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.

[Elise Hu]

And this is a mini episode where we hear from you, we share your comments and your thoughts and we answer your questions to the best of our ability. But please remember we are not experts, we're podcast hosts. We always encourage you to seek support first and foremost from a medical and or mental health professional as needed.

[Dory Shafrir]

And we also got a shout out recently in the New York Times. So I'm just shouting back out to the New York Times for the mention. We got listed in a little roundup of the five best beauty and self care pods out there right now. And I thought hey, they didn't even like we didn't need to be asked to be interviewed for it or anything. I think they just did a roundup and yeah, Dory saw it from a Google Alert, so how amazing.

[Elise Hu]

Good old Google Alert on my name. I was like what's this?

[Dory Shafrir]

And thank goodness, thank goodness because I have, when I open the New York Times app these days, I just go straight to games so that I don't have to see the hellscape headlines and so I wouldn't have seen download the.

[Elise Hu]

Games app then you don't even have to open up the main app.

[Dory Shafrir]

Okay.

[Elise Hu]

That's what I do.

[Dory Shafrir]

All right.

[Elise Hu]

I'm like, let me just get in there with games for me.

[Dory Shafrir]

I, for me, I open up the app and it's like a race to punch games as soon as possible.

[Elise Hu]

Just, just get that Games app. That's all you need.

[Dory Shafrir]

We don't need to be informed about what's happening. Like the, the dismantling of the federal government.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah, exactly. I mean, look, it's all. It's all a lot.

[Dory Shafrir]

It's all a lot.

[Elise Hu]

It is a lot. Yeah. No, but thank you New York Times for mentioning us. It was very kind. And I loved how they, they shouted out Kate. They shouted out you. Yeah, like, it was just.

[Dory Shafrir]

They actually listened.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah, it was like a lovely, a lovely little write up. And they recommended the episode with Leah Littman, which I also really appreciated because that was an episode about how to like, take care of yourself in the face of the new administration and like everything that's been going on. So I thought that was a cool episode for them to shout out.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yes, agree. Yeah. That was the one that we taped for Inauguration Day. And I'm so glad we had Leah Lippman on that day. Me, she was the ideal guest. Should go back and listen to it, folks, if you haven't listened to it because all of what she talked about is extremely relevant in the face of now, one month later. The knowledge that we have. I know about what's happened.

[Elise Hu]

I know, you know. We are going to have our. One of our favorite makeup artists, Rachel Goodwin, back on the show soon to answer your makeup questions. She doesn't do as much. She doesn't really do that much skin care. It is mostly like makeup stuff. So if you have makeup questions, call or text us at 781-591-0390. Email us at forever35podcastgmail.com. You can also send us other questions. But we are specifically soliciting questions for Rachel, so send those in at least. We got some funny, like, emails and texts this week.

[Dory Shafrir]

I'm so excited. You know, this is my favorite type of episode.

[Elise Hu]

I know, it is so fun. We got an email that said, elise, I hate to go here, but are any of your kids scratching their heads? Three kids in school and itching. Makes me think lice been there. Hope I'm wrong. Love the pod.

[Dory Shafrir]

We have been there too. It was Thanksgiving 2018, our first Thanksgiving back in America after a long time. And there was a lice outbreak at my daughter's elementary school and she was only in kindergarten at the time. But it was like the entire class went down and we had to have like lice specialists come and like search everybody else, you know, the sisters. And so Ava got it and then her little sister, I think got it and that. And because there was kind of a secondary wave of the kids, the siblings, the younger siblings who were in the preschool. It was, like, a whole thing. And thankfully that my youngest didn't, so she was spared this. This misery. But then, you know, what it created was this, like, constant sense of anxiety. Like, have I gotten it? You know, and then I was constantly having that. At the time, we had a nanny who lived with us, and she was. She was really good at helping. And because I couldn't handle it, it, like, it grossed me out too much. And so she was the one who kind of remediated this problem and did that, like, comb and the treatment and all those things, and was really meticulous about it. And so I constantly had her checking my head to make sure that it hadn't gotten to me. And so I. I avoided it thanks to, like, vigilance. I think the problem for me right now is actually, like, less scalp and more, like, my whole body. Like, my body, you know, my neck and my arms and things. So I think this is just, like, an eczema flare up more than anything else. But. But no, thankfully, it's. There is no lice outbreak right now. But I have been there, and it was a nightmare.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah, we had a lice outbreak last year, and it was. It was quite expensive for us.

[Dory Shafrir]

That too. That too. Because betting, like, everything is implicated. And so you're just like, shudder. But, yes, you are wrong for now in this particular case, caller. But we have been there.

[Elise Hu]

Right. You might not be wrong, but for now, wrong. We also got. I love this so much. We just got this text that said, quote, from the archive, water tastes like nothing. So why am I wasting my time? From guest Alison Livingston. I'm dead. Because same. And then they sent the laugh crying emoji. Now, this is especially funny to me because this is from, like, a very early episode. This is an episode from, like, 2018 or 19.

[Dory Shafrir]

Wow.

[Elise Hu]

Allison is one of my best friends. She's been my friend since fourth grade. Like, she's one of my oldest and dearest friends. And we had her on the show. Talk about friendship.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yeah.

[Elise Hu]

And she said I had. I did not remember that she had said this. So I was like, how did this. Like, I was just thinking, how did this person. How did this come up? Was this person, like, going through our archive? Were they just starting from episode one? Were that, you know, like, what was the questions? But I sent this. I sent it to Allison, and she responded, and she said, I have only evolved slightly from that stance.

[Dory Shafrir]

I can't drink lukewarm Water. So I relate. So I will only. I can only, like, hydrate a lot if it's super, super cold. I don't know why I don't like warm water or lukewarm water. Um, but if it's basically, you know, going to give me frostbite, then I will consume it.

[Elise Hu]

Interesting. Okay.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yeah.

[Elise Hu]

Okay. Yeah. I have. I didn't investigate further into Allison's evolution of this stance, but I did check in with her. And then this text also really made me chuckle. The too full to fuck for Valentine's discussion was bringing me joy on my commute home today. This is why the fuck first plan is so key. I originally learned this from Caro Chambers. We love Carol Chambers here. Her wreck is to get the babysitter to come early if you have kids, and take them out of the house and keep them busy before you leave for dinner. Brilliant.

[Dory Shafrir]

Ah, yes, yes. So this is from a casual chat conversation. So those of you all who don't have the Patreon or aren't Patreon members, miss this Valentine's Day. Valentine's Day chat in which Dory talks about her unexpected Valentine's Day date night in which she and Matt went around la not. And didn't actually go and eat anywhere, but instead evaluated whether these establishments were bumping or not bumping. And then one place they went was the Brazilian steakhouse, Fogo de Cho. And which, incidentally, I worked there as a hostess. This came up in the comments.

[Elise Hu]

That's funny. I didn't even know that. And I had noted that it was slammed. It was so bumping. We were like, what is happening?

[Dory Shafrir]

Exactly. And they serve these giant, you know, spears of meat or like swords, you know, with meat on them. Meat sticks. And Dory was like, I don't know. I don't know if that's like a great Valentine's Day meal. And which then brought us back to Cassie David, who I think has been on this show, and how she wrote this viral essay about being too full to fuck and whether that's actually a thing. And. And sounds like there is a workaround if you do feel that sometimes you are too full to fuck and it's to fuck first. Thank you, caller.

[Elise Hu]

Thank you so much for this.

[Dory Shafrir]

Invert your evening. Right.

[Elise Hu]

Invert your evening. Exactly. On that note, we are going to take a short break. I already told everyone how they can reach us. You can also Visit our website, forever35podcast.com. We have links there to everything we mentioned on the show. We are on Instagram @February35podcast. We have a [e-mail] newsletter and you can shop our favorite products at shopmy us./forever35 and let's take a little break.

[Dory Shafrir]

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[Elise Hu]

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[C]

Hi, Dori and Elise. This is Catherine from Sacramento. I just had to call in responding to your latest mini app. When you were talking about the therapist. Therapist and how they select that or if they. If the therapist needs a therapist, what their process is. I am not a therapist, but I had a book that is written by a therapist, Lori Gottman. Maybe you should talk to someone. And she talks about her whole process of going to therapy and selecting a therapist as a therapist herself. And just. It's a really. It's a really good read. Just wanted to throw that out to you and the listeners. All right, take care.

[Dory Shafrir]

I read that book. Yeah. Lori Gottlieb. Maybe you should talk to someone. It was a bestseller, I wanna say, like six or seven years ago. And she has like vignettes of her anonymized patients that she then kind of takes you through their whole, whole journey. And then she weaves in her own memoir aspects as well. The book is well done. I second the recommendation.

[Elise Hu]

Okay. Thank you, Elise. I have not read it. She does have a good advice column in the Atlantic, right? It's the Atlantic.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yes. Yes. You want to move on to a text?

[Elise Hu]

Yeah, let's move on to a text.

[Dory Shafrir]

Okay. Hey. Hey. Just wanted to leave a comment about the caller who feels like she always initiates things with her group of friends. I had a similar situation and it just caused a lot of resentment. And finally I realized, wow, I'm friends with all type B. People. And I'm a type A. I like to be organized, I like to have a plan, and I like to see people in person. And I realized that these friends did not share the same values. They were great for other things, but that was not a need they were able to meet. I have since invested more in people who share the same interest in planning and doing, and it's a relief. Okay, so she just like kind of switched friend groups.

[Elise Hu]

Wasn't it you who were saying, like, as adults you need to be friends with people who have the same like sketching philosophy. Yeah. Planning philosophy. As you do? Yeah, I think that is so true.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yeah, I remember we were talking about this maybe in a casual chat or just in our non recorded conversations about how by the time we reach adulthood or later in adulthood, we end up kind of separating into friend planning types. Like, you end up just naturally hanging out with people who plan a lot of things way ahead of time or people who are available spontaneously because our friendships change from being like friends who are in proximity. Like, you just happen to be in college together or you're all young people at work together, you're interning together or whatever. And like you're geographically close to friends who, since you have to plan by like with intention or not plan, you end up with hanging out with people of that same ilk. So, like, I have a lot of friends who are all available at the last minute because they also don't plan very much in advance. And then my friend Christy in dc, I noticed she always like plans like six weeks in advance at least. And it was a problem because she would invite me to things, but then at the last minute I'd be like, I don't think I want to do this anymore. But I had already agreed to so far in advance that it was just sort of like, oh, had she invited me just six hours ago, I'd be totally down.

[Elise Hu]

Yes. That's so funny.

[Dory Shafrir]

So these things do happen in adult life. And I was just, I was pitching, I was doing my life like Atlantic pitch to Dory. Like, this should be a piece in which we identify this as a thing.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah, I think it is a thing. I think you're totally right. And this, I mean, this person is essentially agreeing with you and saying it's a thing.

[Dory Shafrir]

Right.

[Elise Hu]

So. Yeah. Okay, these, these are just like additional friendship questions that we didn't get to with Anna that. Yeah, Elise and I are going to tackle on our own. So.

[Dory Shafrir]

Okay, we'll try anyway. We're not experts.

[Elise Hu]

We're not experts. But we both have friends, so, you know, that qualifies. Yeah, exactly. So we actually got this as a DM on Instagram, which is another way you can contact us. We don't check our DMS as frequently as we probably should, so it's not like the best way to reach us in a timely fashion. But you can, you can DM us. Okay. This person wrote, I have a close friend who has been struggling with anxiety and depression for many years. She has patterns that repeat and are incredibly tough, yet she doesn't break the cycles that might enable, enable her to see out of the despair. She's in therapy, but doesn't take meds and hasn't pursued this path. As a friend, I try to empathize and be there for her, knowing that I can't fix her situation. And she isn't asking for advice. Some of her other friends have distanced themselves because they don't want the negative energy around. I sometimes wonder if I'm enabling patterns that don't serve her. Do you have advice on how to think about our friendship and my role? I have a couple thoughts.

[Dory Shafrir]

Okay.

[Elise Hu]

I think I would focus less on worrying that you're enabling her and focusing more on does this friendship serve you? Because I'm not like hearing any of that in here. I'm just hearing like you're trying to be there for her. You're trying to, you know, empathize. I'm not totally getting like what you are getting out of this friendship, which I'm. And I'm not saying that to say you shouldn't be friends with this person, but it seems like you are so like you're very concerned with how your actions are affecting this person without thinking about how are the, this person's actions affecting me. Like, I think you can be a little bit, a little bit more self centered here. I don't know.

[Dory Shafrir]

Well, well, thinking about friendship as the unit, I mean, I'm just channeling Anna Goldfarb here and how she talked about how every friendship, every modern friendship needs an about. And so maybe this is just a time to interrogate. Like, what is this friendship about? So you know, are you friends because you travel the world together? Are you friends because you're both parents and you know, you support each other in that time, in that era of your life or you are you friends because you both cook a lot and want to, want to share your activity. So. So I would kind of re. Take a, take another look at what your friendship is about because I remember Anna talking about how sometimes Our friendships have kind of outgrown their original about because we are at different life stages or we have grown in a way that doesn't really support the original reason why you're friends. So maybe interrogate that and from that you can decide a path forward and like, what is valuable to you and meaningful to you about the friendship. If she's not asking for advice and she's bummed out, there's very little you can do because I think with so many situations of grief or depression or anxiety, like, you have to be the one who wants to help yourself, you know, and there's only so much loved ones can do in terms of caretaking. I think it's awesome that you're there for her and that you can be an ear, but not at the expense of your own sort of energy reserves and your own tank too.

[Elise Hu]

So I think, I think we're basically saying the same thing. You're just saying it in a much nicer way.

[Dory Shafrir]

Or maybe it's time for a heart to heart. Yeah, Maybe the two of you can work that out.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah.

[Dory Shafrir]

It sucks, though. It sucks to be standing next to a friend who's depressed and to be the depressed one. So we empathize. It's difficult.

[Elise Hu]

All right, we are going to take another short break and we will be right back.

[Dory Shafrir]

I'll be right back.

[Elise Hu]

All right, we're back. Elise, the. The chocolate chip cookie conversation is still going strong. I want you to know that.

[Dory Shafrir]

Amazing, Amazing. We have so many recipes for exactly two chocolate chips cookies. Not more, not three chocolate chips, not six, but two.

[Elise Hu]

Yes. And we got a voicemail about a way to enhance your two chocolate chip cookies that I would like to play.

[C]

It's Katie Sinden. Hey, chocolate chip cookies, Great wreck on the frozen little dough balls, but I wanted to add something to that. So I do that also and just make myself one cookie when I feel like it. But guess what else I put in there Because I'm a Gen X. She's been doing this my whole life. I put cannabis THC in my cookies. And so I know your dosage, right? You got to make sure your cookie's not gonna be too much. But I love it. It's a perfect little dessert also. Perfect little take the edge off, Right? So just some of the other good stuff when you're mixing in your yummy ingredients with your chocolate chip cookie. Love you guys.

[Dory Shafrir]

That's my girl. Love it.

[Elise Hu]

Okay, thank you, Katie. Yes. Katie is a long time listener of Forever 35 and Excellent Adventure. And she, she calls in Regularly, We. Katie, I'm sorry we don't always get to play your voicemails, but we appreciate all of your voicemails, so please keep calling.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yes. And good tip.

[Elise Hu]

And then we got another Instagram DM with a link to a two cookie recipe from Joy the Baker. These are two giant chocolate chip cookies.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yeah, they. It looks like they take up. Each one takes up half the cookie sheet.

[Elise Hu]

Yes. So, so, so these technically. These technically are two chocolate chip cookies. Yes.

[Dory Shafrir]

Be warned.

[Elise Hu]

But they are enormous.

[Dory Shafrir]

They're the size of small pizzas.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah, they're really big. Thank you for sharing that. In our last newsletter, I shared some candle recommendations that our guests have shared with us on the Forever 35 questionnaire because we always ask them about the last candle that they lit. And people have been writing in with their candle recommendations. Here's one of them. This person says, I'm not often a candle person. I tend to prefer scents that smell clean, but it's hard to find clean scents that don't smell like soap. I also have this issue. I do find that a lot of, like, clean scents smell like soap. And I don't want. I don't want to smell like soap. However, I love, love, love a candle from Anthropologie called Golden Hour. Apparently it smells like a sweet blend of white almond, jasmine, sambac and cashmere musk. I was browsing in store one day and just picked it up randomly to sniff and bought it on the spot. I even went back to their site to buy the matching perfume later. That does sound really good.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yeah. Yeah, it does. I like a similar named candle from PF Candle Co. Called Golden Coast, I think, or Gold Coast.

[Elise Hu]

I love PF Candle Company.

[Dory Shafrir]

That's very good. All right, so we have some candle today.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah. Thanks everyone for listening. We'll talk to you soon.

[Dory Shafrir]

The call's coming.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah, keep them coming. All right, bye.

[Dory Shafrir]

Until next time.

[Elise Hu]

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Hmm.

[Elise Hu]

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[Dory Shafrir]

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[Elise Hu]

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[Dory Shafrir]

Sounds good.

[Elise Hu]

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