Mini-Ep 441: Forever45 Face

Summary

Forever35 Podcast - Mini-Episode 441: Forever45 Face Summary

Release Date: April 30, 2025
Hosts: Doree Shafrir & Elise Hu
Episode: Mini-Ep 441: Forever45 Face

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1. Introduction and Theme Announcement

[02:12]
Doree Shafrir and Elise Hu kick off this mini-episode by introducing their new theme month focused on money. Following the success of previous theme months like Friendship, Menopause, and Aging, they aim to delve into various aspects of financial well-being, including relationships with money, financial planning, and its impact on personal relationships. They invite listeners to submit questions via text, voicemail, or email, emphasizing inclusivity of topics beyond just money-related queries.

Notable Quote:
Elise Hu: "We are doing a dedicated series just on money. On money, our relationship with money, how money affects our relationships, finances, financial planning, how to think about it."

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2. Personal Updates: Henry's Birthday and Weekend Stories

[03:24] – [11:08]
The hosts share personal anecdotes from their recent weekends. Elise recounts jetting off to Scottsdale to spend time with Rob and his friends, enjoying activities like tennis and watching the show Sinners. Doree shares the joyous yet hectic experience of celebrating her son Henry's sixth birthday. The party, held at a science museum, featured interactive activities like a glow-in-the-dark slime demonstration, and despite logistical challenges—such as acquiring the birthday cake and managing multiple events—the day was a success with glowing reviews from both Henry and other parents.

Notable Quotes:
Doree Shafrir: "Henry had his birthday party over the weekend. He is six. Big birthday, birthday."
Elise Hu: "Henry was so happy. They had, like, in their party room, they had this, like, totally cheesy throne that he sat on."

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3. Listener Messages and Voicemails

a. Shared Experiences with Mothers

[11:07] – [18:09] A listener shares a heartfelt voicemail describing similarities between their mother’s nurturing through food and Elise’s experiences. Both acknowledge the deep bond formed through shared culinary moments and express appreciation for these familial interactions.

Notable Quote:
Listener: "You and I sounds like, have very similar moms and very similar parenting styles. So thank you. Love the pod. Love you guys."

Elise Hu: "It is true. I do feel so loved and nurtured and mothered when my mom is around."

b. Encouraging Blood Donation

[11:30] – [12:12] Elise reads a text from a listener emphasizing the convenience and impact of organizing blood drives at workplaces, highlighting the ease of participation and the importance of giving blood.

Notable Quote:
Listener: "You can have Red Cross come to your work and do a blood drive. It's easy to do and makes it convenient for people."

c. Art Collecting for Joy

[18:09] – [19:56] Another listener praises an interview with Debbie Millman about the joy of collecting art. They share their own practice of purchasing prints from artist communities, particularly in Provincetown, Cape Cod, to bring unique and joyful pieces into their home.

Notable Quote:
Listener: "It brings us so much joy to have it hanging in our house to the point where I'm not sure where we're going to put some more stuff."

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4. Product Recommendations: May Love Glow Maker Serum

[20:19] – [22:13]
The hosts discuss listener feedback on their favorite beauty products, specifically the May Love Glow Maker serum. They highlight its effectiveness as a vitamin C serum, while noting a common critique regarding the packaging—a preference for pump dispensers over droppers to maintain freshness and efficacy of the vitamin C.

Notable Quote:
Elise Hu: "I think especially for the price they are the best vitamin C serum. My only quibble is I wish their bottle was a pump and not a dropper."

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5. Burnout Recovery Tips from a Listener

[22:49] – [24:54]
A voicemail from Christine, a clinical psychologist, offers valuable insights into burnout recovery and prevention. She advises incorporating small, accessible, and personally renewing activities into daily life to combat burnout, as opposed to relying solely on temporary fixes like vacations. Elise relates this advice to her own reliance on tennis as a grounding activity.

Notable Quote:
Christine: "Add something small and accessible... that you can get to daily or as much as possible."

Elise Hu: "It's why vacations slash retreats are only temporary relief. You want to add something that will make a difference to your daily real life."

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6. Additional Voice Messages and Podcast Recommendations

[25:35] – [32:15]
The hosts read and respond to various listener voicemails:

• A listener named Naina praises an interview with Annie Hartnett and shares their love for the audiobook Unlikely Animals.
• Another listener shares a humorous mishap involving a spilled tea on a mug and requests more engaging content like "Dory's Hotel" stories.
• Recommendations for other podcasts are exchanged, including Fat Mascara, Busy Phillips's "Doing Her Best", Amy Poehler's new podcast, "Who Shat on the Floor at My Wedding", and "Books Could Kill."

Notable Quotes:
Listener: "I just want to share that you and I sounds like, have very similar moms and very similar parenting styles. So thank you. Love the pod. Love you guys."
Elise Hu: "I sent this to Annie. It always feels good when like, someone whose work you love is loved by others."

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7. Conclusion and Next Steps

[32:15] – [35:12]
Elise and Doree wrap up the episode by encouraging listeners to continue submitting their thoughts and questions. They tease upcoming content, including an email about burnout recovery, and promote their website and social media channels for further engagement. Additionally, they share final bits of listener feedback and discuss potential new segments inspired by listener requests.

Notable Quote:
Elise Hu: "We have a great email coming up after the break about burnout. I think that is going to resonate with people."

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Key Takeaways and Insights

• Theme Month on Money: The podcast is dedicating the upcoming month to exploring financial well-being and its impact on various aspects of life.
• Personal Stories Enhance Relatability: Sharing personal experiences, such as Henry's birthday, helps create a connection with listeners.
• Listener Engagement is Central: The hosts actively engage with listener messages, fostering a community feel and addressing diverse topics.
• Product Recommendations Are Influential: Discussions about favorite beauty products like May Love Glow Maker provide valuable insights for listeners interested in self-care.
• Mental Health Focus: Emphasizing burnout recovery strategies highlights the podcast's commitment to holistic self-care.
• Podcast Community Building: By recommending other podcasts and sharing listener feedback, the hosts build a supportive and interactive listener community.

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This summary captures the essence of Mini-Episode 441: Forever45 Face, highlighting the hosts' discussions, listener interactions, and key insights shared throughout the episode.

Transcript

[Dory Shafrir]

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And I'm Elise Hu and we're just two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.

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Well, I'm really excited because we recently announced our next theme month. So coming off of a very successful friendship month and menopause and Aging Month. We are doing a dedicated series just on money. On money, our relationship with money, how money affects our relationships, finances, financial planning, how to think about it. And we have a bunch of exciting guests coming and we want to hear your questions.

And you can send those to us via text or voicemail at 781-591-0390. You can email those to us at Forever35podcastmail. We are also still taking all of your other questions, so please send those in as well.

It doesn't have to be about money.

Doesn't have to be about money. Your. Your sort of, like, regular questions are what keep these mini episodes going. So please, please do send them in. Elise, how have you been?

Good. We haven't really caught up over the weekend yet. You had your big Henry birthday weekend, which I really want to hear about. And then I had to jet off to Scottsdale real quick to do a weekend with Rob and his boys, who. His boys are based in Phoenix. So I just got back from the desert this morning and the weather there was not oppressively hot.

Oh, okay.

So I had a really good time. We played tennis two days in a row. I don't think I've ever played tennis two days in a row. But that is like the land of golf courses and pickleball courts and tennis courts. So it was very easy to hop on and play. And that was super fun. I also saw Sinners, which we can talk about on our pop culture episode that we do monthly for our patreon, but loved Sinners. Every bit as great and epic as everyone is saying.

That's amazing. Yeah.

So tell me about. Yeah, tell me about Henry and how his biggest big birthday weekend went. How you're feeling about it.

Henry had his birthday party over the weekend. He is six. Big birthday birthday.

Yes.

And his. His birthday party was a success. He had a great time. His friends seemed to have a great time. It seemed to get rave reviews from the parents. The day leading up to his birthday and the day of his birthday were two very exhausting days. Just like, logistically, there was a lot happening because he had a birthday party for a classmate right before his party, and I had ordered his cake from our favorite bakery, which was very far from his birthday party. So I, like, I should have just picked up the cake on Friday, but I didn't. I didn't. And Henry, like, insisted on coming with me to get the cake. And my. Which. And my dad was with us. Like, it was just like, we were like, okay, I have to get the cake. You need to go to Smart and Final. We need to get ice. We need, like. It just was like, all these, like, moving parts, and we have to get Henry to this other birthday party. I, like, I nearly had, like, a full breakdown at the museum where he was having his party because they had emailed me and I. Oh. I said, is there a fridge where we can store a cake? And they were like, yes, you can bring that in today or tomorrow. And that was on Friday. No problem. Great. And then I get there, and first of all, it takes them, like, and I have Henry with me, and he's like, itching to get to this other birthday party. And, like, no one is available to help me. So, like, 10 minutes go by. Henry's like, what's happening? And then someone finally comes out and they're like, oh, yeah, I don't think we have room for a cake. I was like, okay, well, I was told there would be room for the cake. Can you please figure out another solution to find room for the cake? And they found some other fridge and put it in there. But I was like, no. Yeah, no, that's not me.

Don't play that. Yeah.

All of the stress of the previous, like, 24 hours was just like, no, but you said there would be room for the cake. And then we made a last minute decision to order Domino's, which turned out to be a very good decision. And we ordered.

You not gonna get Domino's.

We were gonna get Domino's because it was a weird time. It was like three to five. And so it wasn't really like, meal time. And people. Most of the people coming to his party were going to be going to have come from another party right before. Yes. Where it turned out, there was a ton of food. Like, a ton of food. But I was like, well, not everyone's coming from that party. And, like, people might be hungry. And these snacks we got are sort of like kids snacks. It was like bags of goldfish and Welch's fruit gummies and.

Yeah.

Applesauce pouches. And so I was like, oh, let's just order some Domino's. They'll deliver it and it'll be great. And I ordered from, like, Domino's is one of the few places that still has their own delivery people.

Oh, right, right.

Like, I ordered from Domino's. And a Domino's person in a Domino's car.

Yeah.

Came and delivered the Domino's Pizza at exactly at like, 2:59. He was there. I had ordered it for 3:00. He pulled up like, Right on time. He handed me the pizzas. We handed him a tip, and it was. It was perfect.

They have their patented pizza tracker, that progress bar that they have on their website. They have been kind of ahead of the game when it comes to tech advances for getting your order in on time. I remember doing a story about them like 12 years ago. So that pizza tracker they ended up getting a patent for, I don't know if it's accurate. Like, I don't really believe that. You know, Krista put my pizza in the oven at 341. But I love it. I like to follow it and I know that. And I like being able to see the driver and you can see his location almost like an Uber as he's coming. Obviously you were occupied with the party and I was occupied watching the tracker closely.

Yeah. But I was impressed and I was like, please call me when you get here and I will come out and meet you. Which I feel like when you use some of these delivery apps and you have those kinds of, like, specific instructions, it's like hit or miss about whether it's actually followed. But he called me and I came right out and he pulled up as I was walking out. It was like, perfect. Thank you. Domino's Pizza. This is not sponsored. They also had a coupon. I was like, domino's, yes.

Oh, yeah, we're fans. We're fans here in the Hugh household.

They also do square cut pizza.

Their thin crust is really good. In the middle of the night.

It was just. Yeah, it was. It was per. And we ordered, like, pretty much the perfect amount of pizza. So that was great. Henry was so happy. They had, like, in their party room, they had this, like, totally cheesy throne that he sat on. And then it said happy Birthday, Henry on this, like, huge screen. And they had a thing. We. We did it at this, like, science museum for kids. And he did a. They. We got them to do a slime demonstration. A glow in the dark slime demonstration. Beautiful. The kids were super into that. And then it was over. And we came home and I was like, ready to go to bed and I had to drive my dad to the airport at like 9.

Yeah, that's.

I was so tired, but I was just like, oh, my God. At that point, I was just, like, running on fumes. I was like, oh, my God. Okay.

But congrats, mama. You made it through.

I'm glad it's done. I'm glad it's over. He did. He. I have to say he got great gifts from his classmates. Like, I was like, oh, I think they really, like, get him.

Sweet.

Yeah. So it was cute. It was nice. Before we take a break, Elise, I just want to read a text that we got. Someone said, just heard the voice note about giving blood. In case people don't know, you can have Red Cross come to your work and do a blood drive. It's easy to do and makes it convenient for people.

Oh, that's great. So not only should you give blood, you could also be the organizer of your own blood drive at your place of work.

Yeah. How cool. Yeah.

Great idea. Thanks for sharing that with us.

Yeah. All right, we are going to take a short break. Before we do that, Just a reminder, you can visit our our website, forever35podcast.com we have links there to everything we mention on the show. You can follow us on Instagram @forever35podcast. Our newsletter is forever35podcast.com newsletter and our favorite products are at shopmy us/forever35. We have a great email coming up after the break about burnout.

Ooh, yeah. Because you were talking about that a few weeks ago.

Yes. That I think is going to resonate with people. So stay tuned. We'll be right back.

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[Dory Shafrir]

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[Elise Hu]

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All right, we are back. We're gonna start with a voicemail that is actually kind of like directed at you. Elise.

Okay.

[Listener]

Hi Elise. I was just listening to episode 347 peaking when you're 90 or something like that. Anyways, I was cracking up at the fact that your mom was visiting and she made you breakfast sandwiches and then immediately asked what was her lunch. And that is something my sister and I joke slash complain about with my mother. I'm from an Italian family, so food is life. I even joke that I'M a speech language pathologist in a hospital, so I treat a lot of swallowing disorders. So literally my main goal in life is to feed as many people as possible. But whenever we're on vacation together, we won't even be done the meal. And she is asking what we're going to eat for the next meal. Like, our life is just so, like, ingrained and revolved around food, and it's. It's so ridiculous, and it just cracks me up. Obviously, now I've, as an adult, like, I'm a little. I gave a little bit more grace, but sometimes it is a. And she also tried, like, does the same thing. Whenever I'm sick or whenever I, you know, I'm busy or anything, she. She comes over and feeds me. And it's wonderful because she's also a great cook. But I just wanted to share that you and I sounds like, have very similar moms and very similar parenting styles. So thank you. Love the pod. Love you guys. Thanks. Bye.

[Elise Hu]

Oh, my gosh. I relate to that so hard. And it sounds like she was relating to me. It is true. I do feel so loved and nurtured and mothered when my mom is around. But my mom expresses that love and nurturing through food. And so I eat so many more hot meals than I typically do when she is around. And now she has sadly gone and I. And my stomach has probably expanded, and now I'm hungry all the time. So weird. But come back soon. I know.

Come back soon, mom.

And I loved that message. Thanks so much.

I did, too. And then we got another voice message that I also really loved. Y'all were killing it this week with your voice memos, so we're voicemails, so thank you.

[Listener]

Hi, Dori and Elise. I'm on my way to pick up my son from daycare, and I had to pause the pod and give you guys a call. I was listening to the Debbie Millman episode, and she was talking about the art that she has in her house and how it brings her so much joy. And, you know, she really tries to collect things that bring her joy. And my husband and I have, ever since the beginning of our marriage, have done the same thing. Every year. We go down to Provincetown, Cape Cod, and it's an artist community. And you can. In Cape Cod in general, you can find a lot of art. And we routinely, we buy one piece of art, and it doesn't necessarily have to be a, like, like Debbie was saying, a painting or something that's totally out of our price range, but we buy a lot of prints and it's a lot of unique stuff that you wouldn't find. And it brings us so much joy to have it hanging in our house to the point where I'm not sure where we're going to put some more stuff. We're running out of wall space, but I highly recommend looking at prints, going to artist communities and just like putzing around the galleries because the people there are wonderful. They're very nice. They're usually pretty open to talking with you about the art and the process. They're. They usually are so pumped that people are just trying to be involved. So hope you guys are doing well and again, support the arts.

[Elise Hu]

That's very sweet.

Yeah. So sweet.

I really enjoyed talking with Debbie Millman and she's been on her book tour. So I've been seeing a bunch of Debbie Millman quotes and posts and things like that, and it reminds me of our really warm and generative conversation with her. So if y'all didn't hear it, go back and listen to that one.

Yeah, definitely do that.

We have a text.

Yeah, you want to read this?

Thank you Dory and the other Listener for all the meal recs. I paused the POD to add them to my notes app. We are struggling with dinner time in my house and our various meal needs. My husband will eat anything, my teenage son has the taste buds of a toddler, and I'm trying to figure out maintenance Nutrition for my GLP1 journey. I will also be checking out Dinner in One. That's a book I recommended. Thanks for the recules. One last thing. May Love Glow Maker is amazing. I've had it on subscription for a year. I just discovered their Peptide Squad which is the best. I use it AM and pm. I wish it came in a pumpkin. Can't recommend it enough for my almost forever 45 face. My love is Dory's one of Dory's favorite products. Folks, if y'all are new to the show, we were talking about our new serum discoveries and like OG serums and the ones that the one that Dory is still a big fan of is this May Love glue maker.

Yes. And I think that I originally started using it when they sent me some products to try and I am now such a fan that I that I purchase it myself. I think especially for the price they are the best vitamin C serum. My only quibble is I wish their their bottle was a pump and not a dropper because.

Which is exactly what the listener was saying.

Yeah. Yeah. Because it keeps vitamin C in Particular like more fresh in a pump. So I agree with this listener. Supposedly, like, the best type of, of bottle for vitamin C is an opaque pump bottle.

Okay.

Because vitamin C goes bad pretty quickly.

Like, it's, it does generally, like, not that kind of.

Yeah. Like, I'm generally not a like, expiration date person. You know what I mean? Like, I don't get too obsessed with the expiration dates, but with vitamin C you do have to, like, be pretty careful because vitamin C in particular does go bad. So. Yeah, just something to watch out for. All right, onto the burnout, recovery, prevention email that I teased before the break. Hi, Doran Elise, longtime POD fan. I'm a psychologist in Ontario and a part of my work is burnout recovery slash prevention.

We need you. Yeah. Yes, we need you. Longtime POD fan in Ontario.

I had a tip for Dory, a pause the POD moment for me when she said she was feeling crispy. One of the most important things to remember when you want to add something into your life to ease burnout, when you feel it coming on, is to add something small and accessible. You want to add something to your life that is just for you or brings you renewal that is easy to plan or get to and that you can get to daily or as much as possible. A key piece of pulling out of a burnout spiral is doing the thing as often as you can. It's why vacations slash retreats are only temporary relief. You want to add something that will make a difference to your daily real life. Take care and keep on keeping on. Christine and she is a clinical psychologist and her website is Inner Wisdom psych dot CA. Oh, her website is very calming. It has a lot of pictures of like calming nature. Yes. You know, that can be your daily ritual. Yeah, exactly. That Pooja Lakshman said as well. I remember. I think we did, we interview. I think we interviewed her right before you started, maybe.

That's. That's right. She was on the show before I started. But I know her. She is a friend. Our books are in conversation with each other. So she is the author of Real Self Care and she's also from Austin, so. And she's pregnant with twins.

So. Well, her whole thing is like vacations are not going to be the thing that like solves your depression or solves your burnout. She like, this is basically what she said as well. So. Yeah, I mean, tennis is that thing for me. Like, I feel like if I didn't have tennis, I would be in a total full on like spiral. Like I'm only Barely able to like, keep my head above water because I have tennis. So. Yeah, that's.

And it's something that you can return to again and again, which is totally, totally.

And yeah, I mean there's just. There's so many benefits to tennis. I can't even. I can't where to even begin. But yes, Christine, thank you for this. I agree. I think right now my, like, my problem is more sort of big picture existential. So I need, I need some like, bigger changes and I. But I have the tennis and the tennis is what's keeping me like afloat at all. All right, we are going to take another short break and then we'll be right back.

Yeah. What happens when we come back door?

Well, Elise, we have one of my favorite types of texts or emails to receive.

Okay.

Dun dun, dun.

We'll find out after these messages.

All right, we are back. First, I'm gonna play a great voicemail that we got. It's very short.

[Listener]

Hi, this is longtime listener Naina calling to say hey. I loved that interview with author Annie Hartnett. And I just got the Unlikely animals from my library audiobook version and it's wonderful. I'm just start in it and wow. Thank you so much for the recommendation. She's an amazing writer. Okay, love you guys. Bye.

[Elise Hu]

I love that we got a lot of like, com. Like we had a lot of messages this week or people were commenting on guests on, you know, stuff they heard from guests, which I like.

Oh, that's great. That's great. I. My TED Talks daily producer, Lucy actually did text me. I think I sent you a screen grab. Yeah, that she texted me about that. That same Annie Hartnett episode because of the bird call stuff. She was like, I loved that. That whole conversation about how we all end up becoming bird watchers eventually.

Totally.

And that it was funny because she used to think that bird watchers were odd and now I've become one and I totally get it.

Right. I sent this to Annie. I was like, you got some fan mail. Oh, that's sweet. But it always feels good when like, someone whose work you love is loved by others, you know? So I'm happy to get this. And now on to one of my favorite types of texts and emails to receive, which is a free mug fail.

Oh, this is a chance for Dory to feel smug.

No pun intended. I just, you know, this is. This is, this is my crusade. My life's work is. Is convincing people of the dangers of free mugging. And every so often, people will send us a picture of their free mug fail. So this. This listener sent us a picture of their nice looking mug and some spilled tea on their lap. And they said thankfully it was just tea and it was cold, so. Okay. But this listener also said, I was wondering the other day about getting a Dory's hotel segment. Maybe you do them on Patreon. Sorry, I'm not a member at the moment. But it always brought so much joy. Like a little meditation. Would love a Dory summer hotel or birthday story. Thank you. Yeah, we have not done a Dory's hotel. I mean, we certainly haven't done one since Elise.

No, I. Yeah, I want to hear one.

Has been on the show. They were a real pandemic. Like a real. A real pandemic thing. I basically did, like guided meditations where I pretended to be at a cozy hotel.

Well, well, this listener, this free mugger wants it.

So that's, you know, that's where that's.

You should record it. You should record it and put it up on the Patreon for our Dory's Hotel. Patreon tier.

Yeah, our. Our Patreon is. Their Patreon tiers are named after Dory's hotel, which is very funny to me. This listener also said. Also, I was wondering if you could ask listeners for a podcast wreck. I obvi, listen to Forever 35, but I have a job as a jeweler. Oh, that's cool. And I listen to stuff all day. I listen to audiobooks, too. One of my other favorite podcasts is called Mamma Mia. Out Loud, and it's an Australian podcast where three women chat. But I haven't really found an American equivalent. Any other ideas? I'm looking for that balance of smart conversation and perspectives with cheeky fun. It's definitely my wreck to people looking for a podcast, but I'm curious if there's anything similar out there. You guys are already on this list. I have so much time in the day to listen. I need more.

I have a beauty podcast to recommend that is two women chatting and then often with a guest. It's called Fat Mascara. It's very good and I learn a lot from it and it's well produced and I like the hosts. So if you're not already listening to Fat Mascara along with your Forever 35 or as part of your general podcast diet, then I would shout out Fat Mascara.

They have been on our show.

Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's right. Are there other chat podcasts that you love?

Well, I was thinking of Busy Phillips's podcast. Busy Phillips is Doing her best. That is a chat podcast and that is also like a very long podcast. Like her episodes are like two to three hours long. So if you need to fill up a lot of time, that could be a good one to try.

I really like Amy Poehler's new one. Good hay.

Amy Poehler's new one is great. The Deep dive with Jessica St. Clair and June Diane Rayfield is also a chatty podcast.

I really like. This is an Australian show, I think so since you're already out of Australia. I think. Listener who Shat on the Floor at My Wedding. It's a true crime podcast investigating who shat on the floor at this person's wedding.

That's so funny.

It is a joy. It is a delight. It's like. And it uses all the true crime tropes of this for the storytelling. It's very well done. So if you haven't, it's not a chop chat podcast because it's more of a narrative. But I really do like who Shot on the Floor at My Wedding and then one of my like all time most frequently recommended podcasts. So maybe this is something that we can evolve. The Forever 35 questionnaire to include is if Books Could Kill.

Oh yeah, that's a great one.

If you could Kill, yeah, is where they unpack airport books basically. So like Atomic Habits by James Clear. They read it and then they actually get into a lot of the claims in it. And if any of the charts make sense, they do it with four Hour Work Week, which was hilarious. They've done it with all sorts of big name books that you've probably heard of if not read. And it's hilarious and such a joy.

Another, another podcast that is like a chatty podcast is Nicole Byers, why Won't yout Date Me? It's such a, it's such a funny show and she's so funny and it's very chatty and those episodes are like an hour ish long. So you know, a decent, a decent amount of time.

She's so funny too. Nicole Byer's hilarious.

Oh, Las Culturistas is.

Oh, the Boeing Yang.

Yep. The Bowen Yang podcast. Oh. There's another show with a former Forever 35 guest called Couples Therapy, Naomi Ekparigan and her husband Andy Beckerman. They're both hilarious and it's, it's very funny. So yeah. So those are a few suggestions, listener.

Yeah, thanks for asking.

All right, well, Elise, great to see you listeners. Thanks for joining us and we will talk to you soon.

Okay, talk to you next time.

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