Mini-Ep 445: Hair Oil Recs and Fit Checks

Summary

Forever35 Podcast Summary: Mini-Episode 445 – Hair Oil Recs and Fit Checks

Release Date: May 28, 2025

Hosts: Doree Shafrir & Elise Hu
Title: Mini-Ep 445: Hair Oil Recs and Fit Checks
Description: In this mini-episode, co-hosts Doree Shafrir and Elise Hu engage with listener comments and questions, providing personal insights on topics ranging from pet care to self-care amidst parenting challenges. Their candid conversations, infused with humor and self-awareness, aim to navigate the complexities of self-care as we age.

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1. Introduction and Episode Overview [00:00 - 02:21]

Doree and Elise kick off the episode by addressing their listeners and setting the stage for a more personal and interactive format. They emphasize the importance of feeling good internally to complement external beauty, highlighting their commitment to discussing both beauty and wellness.

Notable Quote:

Dore Shafrier [00:00]: "One of the real secrets to beauty is feeling as good on the inside as you do on the outside."

2. Personal Updates and Daily Life [02:15 - 07:44]

The hosts share snippets from their daily lives, including Elise's recent visit to a new Taiwanese café in Koreatown (K Town). They delve into the joys and challenges of living in Los Angeles, discussing favorite local spots and personal anecdotes about their pets.

Notable Quotes:

Elise Hu [03:00]: "They only have three or four menu items, so I just ordered all of them, and I'm so delighted…I’m so happy to have the taste of my mom's cooking somewhere very close by."

Doree Shafrier [05:01]: "People love the Warner Brothers studio tour."

3. Pet Care and Training Challenges [07:33 - 10:45]

A significant portion of the episode focuses on Elise's struggles with her dog, Oscar, who has developed destructive behaviors. They discuss the balancing act of training a young dog, managing household disruptions, and ensuring that both the pet and the family are content.

Notable Quotes:

Elise Hu [07:08]: "Oscar's like the Kool Aid man, just bulldozing through things."

Doree Shafrier [10:04]: "He might just need more hard labor."

4. Listener Questions: Self-Care Amid Parenting [17:43 - 26:05]

Doree addresses a listener's query about practicing self-care while dealing with sleep deprivation from caring for an infant. Both hosts offer their perspectives, emphasizing the critical role of sleep and structured routines in maintaining mental health.

Notable Quotes:

Doree Shafrier [17:43]: "Sleep is so important for everyone's mental health, your own in particular."

Elise Hu [19:18]: "Solving the sleep puzzle is a big one. The other is keeping a journal…a time for reflection that mentally was helpful."

5. Listener Voicemails and Personal Experiences [24:27 - 36:50]

The hosts play and respond to voicemails from listeners, sharing advice and personal strategies for managing the transition to stay-at-home parenting and dealing with mental health challenges. They foster a supportive community by validating listener experiences and offering practical tips.

Notable Quotes:

Elise Hu [29:27]: "Thank you so much for calling in, listener, and letting us know about your experience."

Doree Shafrier [34:07]: "When I'm just like bumming around the house, I wear like lounge pants."

6. Hair Oil Recommendations [29:48 - 33:35]

Transitioning from serious topics, Doree and Elise engage with a listener's request for hair oil recommendations. They share their favorite products, catering to different hair types and needs, and encourage community participation for broader suggestions.

Notable Quotes:

Elise Hu [31:14]: "The Oribe Gold Lust hair oil…I love these products in particular."

Doree Shafrier [32:26]: "I really like it… it's a lightweight hair oil that will really smooth your hair."

7. Fashion Uniforms and Personal Style [33:35 - 36:50]

In a lighthearted segment, the hosts discuss their personal "uniforms"—go-to outfits that provide comfort and ease in their daily lives. They share insights into their style preferences, highlighting the importance of feeling comfortable and put-together.

Notable Quotes:

Doree Shafrier [34:24]: "I wear like lounge pants and either like an oversized striped button-up a lot."

Elise Hu [35:05]: "My uniform is my soft pants… and my favorite jumpsuit is by Pistola."

8. Closing Remarks and Community Engagement [36:44 - 38:21]

Doree and Elise wrap up the episode by thanking listeners for their participation and encouraging continued engagement through voicemails and social media. They highlight upcoming content and invite listeners to join their Patreon community for exclusive interactions.

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Conclusion

In this mini-episode of Forever35, Doree Shafrir and Elise Hu blend personal anecdotes with listener interactions, creating an intimate and relatable experience. From pet care dilemmas to self-care strategies amidst parenting challenges, the hosts provide valuable insights while fostering a supportive community atmosphere. Their authentic conversations underscore the podcast's mission to explore self-care with humor and self-awareness.

Connect with Forever35:

• Website: forever35podcast.com
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• Email: forever35podcastmail.com
• Shop: Shop My Us Forever 35

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Note: This summary intentionally omits advertisement segments and non-content sections to focus on the core discussions and insights shared by the hosts.

Transcript

[Dory Shafrier]

Hey, listeners and fellow beauty lovers. It's Dory Shafrier and Elise Hu from Forever 35. And on our show we spend a lot of time talking about beauty news, products and treatments. But we also know that one of the real secrets to beauty is feeling as good on the inside as you do on the outside.

[Elise Hu]

Absolutely.

[Dory Shafrier]

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[Elise Hu]

And I'm Elise Hu. And we are just two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.

[Dory Shafrier]

And this is a mini episode where we hear from you, we share your comments and your thoughts, and we answer your questions to the best of our ability. But please remember, we are podcast hosts, we are not experts. We always encourage you to seek support first and foremost from a medical and or mental health professional as needed and.

[Elise Hu]

We have some good questions from y' all lately. We do call outs, some good recommendations.

[Dory Shafrier]

Yeah.

[Elise Hu]

Really liked your T shirt recommendations from last week's episode.

[Dory Shafrier]

Yep. All these things are true.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah.

[Dory Shafrier]

What's going on with you, Elise?

[Elise Hu]

Well, I just rushed back to this recording after having lunch at the new Taiwanese place in K Town.

[Dory Shafrier]

Ooh.

[Elise Hu]

So for those of you. Yes. So for those of you who aren't familiar with the Los Angeles eating scene, which. Why would you be. I wouldn't expect you to be. A lot of the best Chinese and Taiwanese food is way out in the San Gabriel Valley, which is quite far from me. It's like an hour, an hour plus, depending on traffic. But K Town is only like 25 to 30 minutes from me. And now there's this new, newish Taiwanese cafe right in the heart of K Town. And so I finally got around to trying that. It only has, like, three or four menu items, so I just ordered all of them, and I'm just so delighted. I'm so happy to have, like, the taste of my mom's cooking somewhere very close by. They have, like, sesame cold noodle with chili crisp on top, which is vegetarian, so Dory, you've got to get in there and give it a try.

[Dory Shafrier]

Yum.

[Elise Hu]

They have the wonton with the chili oil on it. They have these really good pineapple buns. What else was really good? I had something called Jay chicken rice, which is kind of like Hainan chicken rice for Chinese food lovers out there. It's really good. They have, like, some pork belly dish that's, like, braised pork belly that people are really into that I did not try. I think that was, like, one of the five. You know, I had four out of five, so I. I didn't have absolutely everything on the menu, but, yeah, so I'm very happy. My belly is happy. And then I got to catch up with my friend Morgan, who lives all the way in Burbank. So that's why we have to meet somewhere.

[Dory Shafrier]

Oh, my gosh.

[Elise Hu]

In between. Ish.

[Dory Shafrier]

A foreign country, essentially.

[Elise Hu]

I've never been. I don't think I've ever been.

[Dory Shafrier]

You've never been to Burbank?

[Elise Hu]

I don't think I've had to. Oh, I. No, correction. Ava has had something out there that's near the Burbank airport. So I think I've been to, like, a large warehouse out in Burbank, and they have some studios out there. So I think I've had to do some live tapings of LinkedIn Things for Microsoft or Whatever that I've done out there, but that's about it. Yeah. Am I missing anything? What am I missing out there?

[Dory Shafrier]

Well, people love the Warner Brothers studio tour.

[Elise Hu]

Oh, yeah, okay. I've done that. I've done that with my friend Justin when he came to visit last year. That's the one with the Gilmore Girls sets and the Friends sets.

[Dory Shafrier]

There's also a big ikea.

[Elise Hu]

Oh, there's a big IKEA there. That's not my ikea. My IKEA is the Carson one. Oh.

[Dory Shafrier]

Oh, yeah. That's far for me.

[Elise Hu]

You're right. But it's, like, 25 minutes from me, so I'm like, great, I'll just go. Speaking of ikea, Oscar has torn up every single one of my patio cushions outside.

[Dory Shafrier]

What is up with the dog? With all due respect?

[Elise Hu]

Oh, he's a menace. He's a menace. He loves to shred. He cannot be left alone.

[Dory Shafrier]

Gosh.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah, So I have to replace all my patio cushions, and they're very hard to order and get on, you know, like Crate and Barrel or Wayfair or anything right now because of the supply of product. You know, outdoor furniture that comes from container ships from China. So everything is kind of on backorder, especially in white or beige, which are the colors that I need. So I might go to IKEA to see if they have any that are, like, approximately the right size.

[Dory Shafrier]

So that.

[Elise Hu]

I at least have cushions.

[Dory Shafrier]

Have something. Yes.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah.

[Dory Shafrier]

Yes, yes.

[Elise Hu]

And I'll have cushions for about, oh, a day to a week before Oscar gets them again. I mean, I've sprayed them with that, like, bitter spray stuff that's supposed to keep dogs from going at things. But he. I don't know. I don't know.

[Dory Shafrier]

Wow.

[Elise Hu]

I know. The poor nanny. I feel like I should give her a raise or something because now she has an extra kid every night. Wow. Yeah, because she's. I mean, she's always, like, taking care of the. The three girls who are a handful, you know, and she's, like, cooking for them and cleaning after them and doing their laundry and all this stuff. But then also, there's Oscar to try and manage now.

[Dory Shafrier]

You're right. She might need a raise.

[Elise Hu]

Oscar's £80. He's like. He's like the Kool Aid man, just bulldozing through things.

[Dory Shafrier]

Oh, man. Is this just, like, puppy energy, or is this like he's also not well trained?

[Elise Hu]

Yeah, I just think.

[Dory Shafrier]

Yeah.

[Elise Hu]

But some of it is just, like, he's in adolescence and he's testing all his boundaries.

[Dory Shafrier]

Right? Yeah.

[Elise Hu]

And Then. And then I and Rob have been inconsistent in training him and getting him kind of house, like, you know, to learn the manners that we expect of the house, so.

[Dory Shafrier]

Yeah, but still, I feel like you haven't done no training.

[Elise Hu]

That's true.

[Dory Shafrier]

He just seems like he's hell bent on destruction.

[Elise Hu]

He loves it.

[Dory Shafrier]

Would you put him in daycare?

[Elise Hu]

He is now a member. We did go ahead and get like a card with points or whatever for a daycare. And it's the same place. It's the Waterland. So Waterland does daycare and they do boarding because he has a little suite when he goes. And. And then it really is kind of like a theme park during the day. Lots of different splash activities for dogs. But it is down by the airport and so if I can avoid it, I like to keep him at home. Yeah, I prefer to keep him at home.

[Dory Shafrier]

Yeah.

[Elise Hu]

So I'll be going to ikea. Maybe I'll discover some fun stuff at ikea.

[Dory Shafrier]

Do you, do you want suggestions or are you just sort of like whatever?

[Elise Hu]

No, I, I think if, if. Folks, I, I feel like the Forever 35 community has been really helpful in offering not only their concern, but also their tips. So any suggestions are welcome. And then from you too. Did Bo deal with any of the shredding tendency?

[Dory Shafrier]

No, Beau was not a shredder. He had separation anxiety when we first got him. But also, you know, I never had him as a puppy, so I don't know what kind of like, puppy energy he had. He was very stressed out when we first got him about us leaving and he pawed through a pane of glass because he was so anxious. But he'd never, like. He doesn't, he doesn't like, eat things. He doesn't eat shoes. He doesn't. He, he, he, he eats like food, you know, he is not, not squishmallows. He is very. Which actually made him, like, somewhat easier to train because he's so food motivated that he's like cheese. But what I was gonna say is there are those people who come take your dog and take them on, like, group hikes and really, like, exhaust them. He sounds bored and like, oh, he.

[Elise Hu]

Only does it when he's bored. He only does it when he's like, stuck out on the back patio while we're all doing something in the eating.

[Dory Shafrier]

Yeah. So maybe just like, get him more tired.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah, I think that's absolutely the right thing because. And when he's exhausted, he's very happy and contented.

[Dory Shafrier]

Exactly. So he might just need More hard labor.

[Elise Hu]

I'm making him retrieve. Like we have retrieving sessions where I'm just like bouncing. Bouncing the tennis ball against the house and making him go chase it. And he has to do that a certain like 15 to 20 minutes each morning just to like get the zoomies out and then we'll walk to school or wherever. But it's a lot for me. And so if I have an early podcast taping or something, which I've had occasionally over the last few weeks, like I have to start at 8 or something like that, he doesn't get his zoomies out.

[Dory Shafrier]

Yeah.

[Elise Hu]

And who knows what he's up to down there.

[Dory Shafrier]

I feel like you will probably get some good suggestions from our listeners and hopefully you can figure this out. And hopefully part of it is just him being a puppy and he will grow out of it.

[Elise Hu]

He's grown out a lot of. He's grown out of a lot of his other behaviors. Like he really liked to chew on the corners of the stairs and the corners of like the patio table outside when he was a smaller puppy, like 12 to 16 weeks. And he just grew out of it. So there are things that totally ways that where I can tell he's just maturing.

[Dory Shafrier]

Yes, we'll see. Yes, yes, I agree, Elise. I think we are going to take a little break. We have some parenting stuff coming up after the break.

[Elise Hu]

Okay.

[Dory Shafrier]

That I think even non parents will be interested in. So stay tuned. And just a reminder, you can call or text us at 781-591-0390 and email us at forever35podcastmail.com Visit our website forever35podcast.com for links to everything we mention on the show. Follow us on Instagram @forever35podcast. Our newsletter is @forever35podcast.com newsletter and our favorite products are at Shop My Us Forever 35. Maybe we'll start a shelf of people's favorite T shirts. People's T shirts.

[Elise Hu]

That's a good idea. T shirt recommendations we can put up there. But also just a reminder, we recently did some sunscreen recommendations and I think we did. Sammy has updated our Shop My with our sunscreen recommendations. So.

[Dory Shafrier]

Yeah. So go check that out.

[Elise Hu]

Getting to be summer and go check that out. Yeah.

[Dory Shafrier]

All right. Or be right back.

[Elise Hu]

We'll be right back.

[Dory Shafrier]

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[Elise Hu]

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[C]

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[Dory Shafrier]

Okay, we are back. We got this text that said, how does one do self care amidst the sleep deprivation of caring for an infant? I'm five months in with my only child back at work full time and beyond tired. I'm trying to eat, shower, take vitamins and go for a walk every day, et cetera. But without the cornerstone of enough good quality sleep, no other self care seems to matter. My partner is participating in our daughter's care, but he is an extreme morning person who works nights and weekends, whereas I'm more of a night owl with a 9 to 5 job. So the nights have fallen to me. We don't have much family support. Would love some guidance from two people who I assume have been there.

[Elise Hu]

You were there more recently than me, so you go first and then I have some thoughts.

[Dory Shafrier]

Yeah. So when Henry was born, we were lucky enough to be in a financial situation where we could afford some nighttime help. Not when, not when Henry was five months old, like right after. It was more like right after he was born. So that helped because we had no family in, in la and so that was helpful just in the very beginning to at least have another body there. But by the time he was five months old, he was pretty much sleeping through the night. So I guess that would be my number one piece of advice is sleep.

[Elise Hu]

And that was my number one question. Yeah, I was like, how well is the baby sleeping?

[Dory Shafrier]

It is so important for everyone's mental health, your own in particular, and get that baby sleeping through the night.

[Elise Hu]

Completely agree. I. My first question for you, texter, was how well is the baby sleeping? Because at five months in, they should be, they should have the capacity to sleep like 7pm to 7am in the morning, you know, if they're not colic and all these other, all these other caveats in there. Of course. And for me it was really important that even after Ava was born and we only had one baby, I philosophically said, or like philosophically, I believed that every member of the family was important. And so that meant the baby was important. But also so was dad and so was mom. And under that value system or under that philosophy, it was important that the baby learn for herself kind of how to soothe and sleep through the night. And so Ava slept next to me I think for about 11 or 12 weeks. And then we moved her like in a bassinet and then we moved her to a crib at about three months and then she started sleeping through the night. And a lot of that is obviously all babies are different. I don't want to, I don't want to assign, you know, characteristics of one to the other, but it was very helpful to me. Like I got unsolicited advice when I was pregnant with ava to read Dr. Weiss Bluth, who's one of the sleep doctors and was like, and the book is overwritten and needs an editor. But chapter five, chapter one, and then the age appropriate chapters of healthy sleep habits. Happy child. I have applied to all three of my girls. They've all been excellent sleepers to this day. They're very routinized with their sleeping and it has. And I credit like my peace of mind as a mother to the fact that they've all been trained to sleep. And I know that there's various schools of thought on this and I don't. Yeah, I feel like anytime we wade into these, I feel sort of reticent to wade into this because you get into like a lot of debates about how to care for, for infants. But I'm just talking about kind of what worked for me and then the philosophy that worked in our family because you're saying sleep no other self care seems to matter than good quality sleep. And I agree. I, I do think my sleep has always been really prioritized and important to me. If you can squeeze in naps, if you can't get a full night's sleep, then like getting in some afternoon naps can help refresh and recharge. Like this is not one of those problems where you can, I can just say, yeah, throw a sheet mask on, you know, because that's not going to do the trick.

[Dory Shafrier]

Totally.

[Elise Hu]

So solving the sleep puzzle is a big one. The other that I'm now that I'm looking back on it because my youngest is just turned eight. Oh my gosh. Now that I'm looking back on it, something that I'm really glad that I did, even though I was bleary eyed when I did it was just keep a journal. I kept a journal. Like I tried to keep that routine sometimes I was just too tired to write much more than a few lines. But I'm so glad that it's there to look back on. And I would just put in like a gratitude or just some observations from the day like, oh my God, Luna farted like a truck driver, a long haul truck driver today. And where did that even come from? She's £12 or whatever. But I'm so glad I have those. And so, and it was a little time to myself or a time for reflection that mentally I think was helpful because it can feel so overwhelming to be postpartum.

[Dory Shafrier]

I love that suggestion. My other suggestion is, and I know your partner is an extreme morning person who works nights and weekends, but I, I Feel like there needs to be a little bit more seemingly equity here. Like, it seems like your partner is getting to sleep and you're not. Yeah.

[Elise Hu]

What would the fair play card say about this?

[Dory Shafrier]

Yeah.

[Elise Hu]

What was the Eve Rodsky fair play card?

[Dory Shafrier]

I'm just sort of wondering if there is a way that there can be a little bit more flexibility coming from your partner. Maybe there isn't, but I'm just raising the question because that did sort of ping for me because even though you're more of a night owl and you have a 9 to 5 job, the nights are when the baby is not sleeping and so you're not getting any sleep. Also, I don't totally follow because if they are an extreme morning person, but they work nights, when are they sleeping? Yes. To be continued. Anyway, but we, we are here for you and I'm sure our listeners have other suggestions and thoughts. All right, we got a voicemail that I would like to play.

[D]

Hi, Elise and Dory. This is some advice for the caller who is transitioning from a job. She's going to be staying home two days a week with her toddler and trying to work three days a week. And I think she was laid off. And my advice on that is to find something to anchor those days that's outside of the house. So I got an immense amount of joy out of taking my daughter to story time. I also took my son when he was younger and just kind of planning our day around that because with a young child, it can kind of just feel like loose chaos. And are you ever leaving the house and are you ever seeing adults? And the hours can get really long and that can be really depressing, especially if you were used to working and you were used to being around a lot of different stimulation and a lot of adult time. I find that the anchor of having an activity, whether it's a music class or library or just you're always going to meet up with a friend or go to a playground, like something outside the house at some point during your day is really important. And if you do start to feel blue in the transition to that kind of stay at home parenting, it's not you. It can be really hard. And so just be gentle with yourself because that's a really big transition to go from the working world to staying at home. All right, take care.

[Elise Hu]

Great. Love that advice.

[Dory Shafrier]

I love this voicemail, too, because I feel like this is just such good advice for our previous.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah, it actually applied to last week's question and this week's question.

[Dory Shafrier]

Yes, yes, Exactly. So thank you for calling in. Okay, after the break, we have a voicemail from someone who really liked our episode with Ariana Rebellini, and they do discuss their past with some suicidal ideation. So I just want to give that a little content warning before we take a break. So we will be right back. All right, we are back.

[E]

Hi, Doreen. Elise. I just wanted to once again call on my way to work because that's apparently the only time I call you guys and share just what I do for meditation or a meditation practice. So I also do not meditate as much or as frequently as I should like the rest of us. But I also have struggled with a lot of mental health concerns, a suicide attempt, and suicidal ideation for a while in my life. And I've had to work really, really, really hard and diligently in therapy to keep them at bay and really change how my brain works from what it used to be. So my therapist and I were talking, and between, you know, life and my stressful job, there's a lot of terrible thoughts that come to mind and a lot of terrible things that kind of come up that, you know, there. There is a healthy point that you got to sit with it, and then there is a point that you need to let it go. So one of the things that we've talked about is kind of sitting with whatever terrible thing has happened. I work in healthcare, so I see a lot of really stressful and sad things on a daily basis. So, you know, feeling the feeling for a period of time and then after that, you know, instead of letting it kind of perseverate or continue to come up, kind of imagining it like a leaf on a river or, you know, sometimes I'll imagine the thought as like a little object on a river and kind of just observing it past. Like I'm standing on the riverbank and I. Or above the river and just like watching it just kind of pass along. And that kind of short, like 10 second process of just like taking a couple deep breaths and picturing that in my head is really helpful for me. And it is a form of meditation without kind of doing the whole, you know, sitting down, closing your eyes, you know, listening to a prompt for 5, 10, 15 minutes, which sometimes I have time to do, but sometimes you don't have time to do. So, like during the day, you know, trying to kind of do little things like that to help has been a game changer for me versus really trying to, you know, carve out time, which sometimes I do not have to sit down and do a meditation. I hope this makes sense. And I'm sorry if I'm rambling, but you guys are wonderful. I'm so happy you brought up this very difficult topic in conversation because it's not talked about enough.

[Dory Shafrier]

Thank you so much for calling in listener and letting us know about your experience. And also that that episode resonated with you. All right, On a completely different note, okay, we have a request for a hair oil wreck. And I realize this can seem jarring going from the previous voicemail to this.

[Elise Hu]

Voicemail, but these mini episodes, this is what's so fun about mini apps. Because, you know, we rely on your content, which means we can sometimes take these wild swings.

[Dory Shafrier]

We take these wild swings. Well, look, you know, Elise, we all contain multitudes.

[Elise Hu]

That's right. We contain multitudes.

[Dory Shafrier]

That's right.

[Elise Hu]

Hi, guys.

[F]

Longtime listener all the time caller. I have a question. I need a good hair oil or cream or something. So I am, for context, a white woman with textured hair. So sometimes it, most of the time it falls between curly and wavy, especially like different textures throughout, which is annoying. And I'm starting to wonder if the hair creams and leave in conditioners that I'm using, if maybe the water content is too high and that's causing it to frizz out rather than hold the curl. So I've been hesitant to use oils because those can weigh my hair down somewhat easily. Sometimes maybe I just haven't found the right one. But the creams seem to work momentarily but then cause increased frizz, if that makes sense. So I'm wondering if you could put it out to the community if anyone else struggles with this and if they have a Hail Mary product. I'm. I'm willing to try anything. That's it. Thank you. Bye.

[Elise Hu]

Okay. I don't have the same type of hair, but I do have a hair oil that I love and I find very lightweight and I love the scent of it. And it's the Oribe Gold lust hair oil. And you can get it in a mini if you just want to try it out. I love this hair oil. They also make a hair and body oil, so you can just smell great all over. I have both products. I love them. I even spoke at Oribe recently or I guess last year.

[Dory Shafrier]

Wow.

[Elise Hu]

I'm so loyal to these products in particular and their fibergroom, like for a, like a pomade type thing. I really like their fiber cream also. And then the other that I have tried and also like, but it's not really an oil. I think it's called a smoothing oil. It's from Aaron Co. Oh. Which another great brand. Products also smell great. And R and Co has something called a two way mirror smoothing oil, which, if you can get that in a mini, you could kind of compare. Put one on one side of your hair, put one on the other and see how that goes. Because I have flyaways, so I don't have kind of thick. What. How did she describe her hair? Kind of coarse, right?

[Dory Shafrier]

Yeah.

[Elise Hu]

And curly. So I have straight and fine hair that waves. But it, like there's a lot of flyaways that tends to be a problem. And I have a lot of baby hairs and so I've always relied on a little bit of some sort of smoothing oil or hair oil. And I, I also, because my hair is so fine, if I put too. If the hair oil is too greasy, then it'll like make my hair appear greasy. So I have to use very kind of lightweight hair oils. And so these might work. But I, I'm caveating that we have different hair types, so.

[Dory Shafrier]

We also have different hair types. Listener. But I really like the whey hair oil.

[Elise Hu]

Yes, yes. Uai.

[Dory Shafrier]

Yes. It also has a scent and you know, I'm sort of like ambivalent about scents, but I don't mind this scent and it's very. It's a lightweight hair oil that will really, like smooth your hair. I really like it. In fact, I need to get some more of it. I'm out. So thank you for reminding me.

[Elise Hu]

And listeners, definitely call in with your voicemails or text with any of your suggestions as well.

[Dory Shafrier]

All right, we got one last text and this listener wrote. Dorian, Elise, I don't believe you two have answered the question. You ask guests. What is your uniform? Now this listener is referring to our Patreon exclusive Forever 35 questionnaire, which is a lightning round of questions that we ask all of our guests. That is so fun. And one of the questions is, what is your go to uniform? So I love that this listener is turning it back on us.

[Elise Hu]

And also you can get these Q and A's every Tuesday on our Patreon feed. So just another open invite to join us in our Patreon community because we have cool stuff there, cool extras, cool stuff there. Dory, what would you say your uniform is?

[Dory Shafrier]

Oh, God. I mean, when I'm just like bumming around the house, I wear like lounge pants and either like a, like a. I have like a kind of oversized striped button up and I wear that a lot.

[Elise Hu]

Oh, yeah. I've seen you in that.

[Dory Shafrier]

Yeah. So that's what I wear a lot. I also have this pair of jeans that I really like that I randomly got on Amazon. They are a kind of like a barrel shape but they have a little stretch and I find that a lot of barrel jeans do not have stretch and I wear those pretty much all the time. So we will link to those in the show notes.

[Elise Hu]

So mine are soft pants. I like to call them soft pants. But the soft pants I wear most often, often are my kind of high rise drawstring lululemon pants. And then when I leave the house I typically don't change out of them because we live in Los Angeles and everybody's in athleisure all the time anyway. But like the, the outfit, the, the type of outfit you will probably most commonly find me out wearing is an adult onesie. Like I wear a lot of one piece rompers or jumpsuits. So you see me in a lot of jumpsuits. My favorite jumpsuit is by Pistola, the jeans brand. And they make really great ones. So yeah, that's my. If I have to leave the house and have to change out of my soft pants uniform.

[Dory Shafrier]

Love that this listener was also they had some questions about like how is your uniform evolved over time? I feel like by uniform at this point it's just like so comfort oriented and when I do have to leave the house like for an event, I. I find myself sort of like staring at my clothes like do I have clothes that are suitable for leaving the house? And I guess that's not a uniform. Exactly, because that's like stuff I don't wear all the time. So interesting. All right listeners, thank you so much. Thanks for listening, thanks for writing in, thanks for calling in, thanks for texting us. We appreciate you and we will talk to you soon.

[Elise Hu]

Okay, talk to you next time.

[Dory Shafrier]

Bye.

[Elise Hu]

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Yeah.

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