Mini-Ep 446: Creatures and Teachers

Summary

Forever35: Mini-Episode 446 - Creatures and Teachers

Release Date: June 4, 2025
Hosts: Doree Shafrir & Elise Hu

In this heartfelt and engaging mini-episode of Forever35, hosts Doree Shafrir and Elise Hu delve into personal anecdotes, listener messages, and practical tips on self-care, pet management, and appreciation for educators. Titled "Creatures and Teachers," the episode masterfully balances humor with meaningful discussions, offering listeners both entertainment and valuable insights.

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Personal Tales: A Night of Trivia and Unexpected Visitors

The episode kicks off with Elise sharing a rather chaotic evening that highlights the unpredictability of life. After participating in a competitive Wednesday night bar trivia, Elise and her team secured a respectable third place, earning a modest $10 discount on their bill. However, the night took an unexpected turn when Elise was rudely awakened in the early hours by incessant chirping and her cat, Abe:

Elise Hu [07:10]: "It was traumatized. It was kind of like frozen and on its side, but it was alive."

Elise recounts how Abe thoughtfully—or mischievously—brought an injured sparrow into her bed, leading to a surreal and distressing encounter. The incident underscores the bond between pet and owner, as well as the sometimes bewildering actions of our furry friends.

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Listener Spotlight: Appreciating Our Educators

Transitioning from personal stories to community engagement, Doree and Elise highlight a poignant voicemail from Nora, a teacher from Rhode Island, who sheds light on the challenges educators face as the school year winds down. Nora emphasizes the burnout and stress teachers endure, urging listeners to extend genuine gratitude beyond fleeting gestures.

Nora [10:22]: "A handwritten note honestly means so much more."

Both hosts resonate deeply with this message, advocating for year-round appreciation of teachers. They discuss the significance of heartfelt, personalized notes over generic gifts, acknowledging the systemic undervaluation of educators in society.

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Hair Care Insights: Embracing Curly Textures

In a dedicated segment, Doree and Elise address listener questions about managing wavy to curly hair textures. They provide a repertoire of product recommendations tailored to different needs:

• Curlsmith’s Hydro Style Flexi Jelly: Ideal for enhancing natural curls without weighing them down.
• Ouidad’s Product Lineup: Offers a range of solutions for frizz control and curl definition.

Doree Shafrier [20:11]: "You have basically their ear for like that half hour or whatever to just ask questions about what's best for my hair."

The hosts stress the importance of consulting with specialized hairstylists who understand curly hair dynamics and recommend experimenting with various products to find the perfect balance for individual hair types.

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Managing Mischievous Pups: Listener Tips and Host Experiences

Elise opens up about her struggles with Oscar, an energetic 80-pound puppy with a penchant for swallowing objects and causing mayhem. Listeners contribute a wealth of advice, emphasizing the necessity of ample exercise and mental stimulation to curb destructive behaviors:

• Providing Puzzle Toys: Items like Kongs and Pupsicles can keep puppies engaged and occupied.
• Implementing Shredding Activities: Allowing dogs to tear into cardboard boxes can satisfy their natural instincts in a non-destructive manner.

Doree Shafrir [30:13]: "Puppies need mental stimulation and engagement and much more exercise."

Elise shares her ongoing efforts to balance Oscar's energy levels with consistent training and physical activity, illustrating the challenges and rewards of puppy ownership.

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Conclusion: Building a Supportive Community

Throughout Mini-Episode 446, Doree and Elise exemplify the essence of Forever35 by fostering a supportive and interactive community. By sharing personal stories, amplifying listener voices, and offering practical advice, they create a space where listeners feel connected and empowered to navigate their own self-care journeys.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Elise Hu [07:10]: "It was traumatized. It was kind of like frozen and on its side, but it was alive."
• Nora [10:22]: "A handwritten note honestly means so much more."
• Doree Shafrier [20:11]: "You have basically their ear for like that half hour or whatever to just ask questions about what's best for my hair."
• Doree Shafrier [30:13]: "Puppies need mental stimulation and engagement and much more exercise."

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Forever35 continues to be a beacon of self-care wisdom, blending humor with heartfelt conversations. Whether you're grappling with pet challenges, seeking beauty advice, or wanting to show appreciation to those who shape our lives, this mini-episode offers something valuable for everyone.

Transcript

[Dory Shafrier]

Hey, listeners and fellow beauty lovers. It's Dory Shafrier and Elise Hu from Forever 35. And on our show we spend a lot of time talking about beauty news, products and treatments. But we also know that one of the real secrets to beauty is feeling as good on the inside as you do on the outside.

[Elise Hu]

Absolutely.

[Dory Shafrier]

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[Elise Hu]

And I'm Elise Hu. And we're just two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.

[Dory Shafrier]

And this is a mini episode where we hear from you. We share your comments and your thoughts. We answer your questions to the best of our ability. But please remember we are podcast hosts, we are not experts. And we do always encourage you to seek support first and foremost from a medical and or mental health professional. As needed. And I just want to note before we get started, you all have been, like, writing and calling in. Thank you so much for all of your messages. And there are some messages that we won't get to today that we will get to in future episodes. So don't worry. We will get to them. But, yeah, really appreciated all of the. All the messages.

[Elise Hu]

It keeps these shows alive.

[Dory Shafrier]

It does. It really.

[Elise Hu]

We don't have a mini episode without you listeners.

[Dory Shafrier]

Right. Exactly. Yes, exactly.

[Elise Hu]

But first, we must banter, because I had a traumatic night.

[Dory Shafrier]

What?

[Elise Hu]

Yes. Like, I'm fine. I'm physically fine. I'm just still recovering from what I went through.

[Dory Shafrier]

What?

[Elise Hu]

Yes. Okay. I'm gonna start with the bright side first.

[Dory Shafrier]

Okay.

[Elise Hu]

I went to Wednesday night bar trivia last night with my friend Meredith, who I occasionally join, and we place third or we tied for third. It's very competitive because some people, like, show up every week and they bring a team of, like, 24 of their friends, and when we go, it's like, four or five of us, which I think is a normal size.

[Dory Shafrier]

I agree.

[Elise Hu]

For bar trivia. But there's some teams, and usually it's about 30 teams. It's a huge thing. And third place is just $10 off your bill. So it's really. You're really just playing for glory. But the tiebreaker you would have liked, because the tiebreaker question was how many words are in the Robert Frost poem the road less traveled or the road not taken? I know. And we were like, is it long or is it short? What is considered long? And I think that it was. I think the poem was short. And so me and my teammate Mike.

[Dory Shafrier]

And you had to get it exact.

[Elise Hu]

You had the team that came closest, and it wasn't Price is Right rules. Like, you didn't have to. You could go over, you know.

[Dory Shafrier]

Got it. Okay.

[Elise Hu]

So the team that got it closest would win the tie break. And the other team that we were up against. Guess. 2. 50.

[Dory Shafrier]

And we guessed 250.

[Elise Hu]

250. Words. Words. Words.

[Dory Shafrier]

Because it was.

[Elise Hu]

How many words are in the poem?

[Dory Shafrier]

Oh. Oh. Got it. Got it. Okay.

[Elise Hu]

Yes. We were guessing number of words to just win $10, so.

[Dory Shafrier]

Right.

[Elise Hu]

They guessed 250 words.

[Dory Shafrier]

Okay.

[Elise Hu]

What would you guess? What would you guess?

[Dory Shafrier]

The road less traveled. Two. Two diverged. In a wood.

[Elise Hu]

Yes, In a wood.

[Dory Shafrier]

And that has made all the difference. I mean. Right. Is that the whole poem, or is there more?

[Elise Hu]

That's what we weren't sure. We're like, is it just that line? What else was in There.

[Dory Shafrier]

All right.

[Elise Hu]

I was going to start at night. There's. These rounds are so long.

[Dory Shafrier]

I'm going to go with 75 words.

[Elise Hu]

We guessed 181, and it's like 140 something. So.

[Dory Shafrier]

Oh, shit.

[Elise Hu]

Okay. More than 75, less than 181. But we, we came closer. We came closer than the other team. So, yeah, so that was all great. Got our $10 off, came home, went promptly to sleep because I was out at Trivia too late. And then in the night, I'm awakened not by screeching from outside, but by the sound of like, chirping, like, tweet, tweet.

[Dory Shafrier]

What? No. What?

[Elise Hu]

Yeah, but I live on a really quiet street. There's always birds outside. So I'm just like, okay, whatever. And I go back to sleep. And then it won't stop.

[Dory Shafrier]

Oh, my God.

[Elise Hu]

And then my cat sits up on my stomach, my cat Abe, who's such a sweet cat. And he wakes me up. He paws me, he wakes me up, and then he's like tilting his head, trying to get me to look down.

[Dory Shafrier]

Oh, no. What?

[Elise Hu]

He had brought me a bird. He had stopped me a bird, and put it next to me in bed.

[Dory Shafrier]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

[Elise Hu]

And then I, I was so confused as to what was happening, and I wasn't fully awake. And so I like, just shoved some pillows at both of them because I don't know if I was like, I don't think I was fully conscious. So I have, like, lots of pillows around. Rob wasn't here, and I just was like, here's some pillows. And then the chirping doesn't stop. And just like, I think this is real. I think this is real. I'm not dreaming. And so then I had to turn on a light and saw Abe there. And then Abe was like, playing with this little bird, like a little.

[Dory Shafrier]

The sparrow must have been so scared.

[Elise Hu]

It was. And it was. And there were feathers around on my face.

[Dory Shafrier]

Was the bird alive?

[Elise Hu]

It was so traumatized. It was kind of like frozen and on its side, but it was alive. And I get really freaked out by bird wing flapping. And so had it been flying around, I definitely couldn't have dealt with it. But since Abe had already injured it, clearly I was able to like, put it in a little cup and take it outside to the bushes. And hopefully it either died slowly or, or was able to recover. But this happened to me in like 2:30 in the morning. I, I, I, I'm still kind of shook.

[Dory Shafrier]

Well, Abe must Really love you. To bring you such a gift. He was so proud of himself. He was like, mom, look.

[C]

I know.

[Elise Hu]

He woke me up and he was like. He kept doing a little head tilt.

[Dory Shafrier]

Like, oh, my God, pay attention. So he goes in and out throughout the night.

[Elise Hu]

He uses the dog door.

[Dory Shafrier]

Huh. And then he was, like, so excited to bring you. Oh, that poor bird. Oh, my God. That is. That's insane. You've been having some real animal.

[Elise Hu]

I really have issues lately. I live in the city of Los Angeles, the second most populous city in the country, and yet I keep having these, like, creature emergencies. Oh. Anyway, we can move on. Sorry, I just needed to unload.

[Dory Shafrier]

Wow. Wow, That's a lot. Well, you know, later in the episode, we have some messages from people who had a lot of thoughts about what to do about Oscar.

[Elise Hu]

Oh, my other creature problem.

[Dory Shafrier]

Yes, your other creature problem. So we'll get to those. Awesome. But before that, we got a text about your possible vacation to Zion.

[Elise Hu]

Oh, yeah. I've been wanting to go there, but don't know about it because of Doge.

[Dory Shafrier]

So a listener said we went to Zion and Bryce for our spring break in April. I was worried about cuts because of Doge, but we had a great time in both places. Both said there were some, quote, hiring issues and campgrounds were opening later than usual, but they were settled. That's a quote. And hiring was able to happen. Shuttles were running in Zion. We had the best time. Tip. Stay at the Cable Mountain Lodge in Zion. The best. You walk directly into the park. They have shops, coffee shops and restaurants, and a really great day spa situation that was running daily specials. Have the best massage of my life, room for kids to run around, a pool and riverfront chill balconies and rooftop patios for adults.

[Elise Hu]

That sounds delightful. Cable Mountain Lodge at Zion. Okay, we'll put it in the show notes, too, for any of the rest of you who might be taking your family out to the national parks this summer.

[Dory Shafrier]

Yeah. Wow, that sounds amazing. And then I just want to play one quick voicemail before we take a break. This was a very timely voicemail for me and possibly for you, Elise. Although I feel like with three kids, you're probably already, like, very on this.

[C]

Hi, Dori and Elise. This is Nora. I'm calling from Rhode island, and my pronouns are she, her, and I am calling with just, I guess, a request for the listeners who have children or teenagers or who have nieces or nephews or anything of the sort. This is an extremely hard time for teachers. It is nearing the End of the year, those of us in New England have like a month to go still and it's beautiful outside and the kids are getting absolutely bonkers and we are like trying to hold it together. Many of us are burnt out. We're neglecting our home life and our partners and not cleaning and not going out because we're exhausted. And so I guess my request is for listeners or yourself to have children to send a thank you note to a teacher who has made a difference or who is just doing a relatively good job. I know a lot of people give like end of the year gifts or gift certificates or candy or whatever, but a thank you note honestly means so much more. And that's the thing that is going to keep us going. Obviously we need policy change and teachers need to be paid more and you should join your local school board. But in the meantime, if you want to do something small, I think all the teachers would appreciate knowing that we've made a difference for your kid or that your kid likes our class or that your kid enjoys coming to school. And I just would love to hear those. So thank you very, very much. And I love the pod and I'm currently doing loads of laundry and listening all day, so thanks a lot. Bye.

[Elise Hu]

Such an important reminder.

[Dory Shafrier]

Such, such an important reminder.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah, because, you know, teacher appreciation gets kind of siloed to these weeks, right? Teacher appreciation week. And then, and then teachers are bombarded with Starbucks or whatever the day is that you're supposed to, you know, like one day you're supposed to bring your teacher a treat and the next day. And there's all these themes. But really teacher appreciation needs to happen year round because, yeah, systemically they're so undervalued in society. Obviously we need to pay our teachers more. And she mentioned all of those systemic things. But yeah, handwritten note. A handwritten note goes a long way. Thanks for that reminder, listener. And I will do it and I'll. You know what? I should really just encourage all my kids to do it because they do the best handwritten cards and letters because they have. There's just kind of that a child's touch to it. And so I'm happy to do it, but maybe I'll remind the teachers or the kids to give their teachers extra gratitude these last few weeks of school.

[Dory Shafrier]

Yeah, it was funny. We talked about it in the car on the way to school today and then we got this voicemail. Henry said he wants to bake cookies for the class. And I was like, I don't know if that's gonna, like, fly, but maybe he can make cookies for his teacher who he loves. So. All right, before we take a break, just a reminder, you can call or text us at 781-591-0390. Email us at forever35podcastmail.com. Our website is forever35podcast.com. We have links there to everything we mention here on the show. Our Instagram is Forever35podcast and our newsletter is Forever35podcast.com newsletter. And after the break, we have a bunch of hair oil wrecks, so stay tuned for those. We'll be right back.

[Elise Hu]

We'll be right back.

[Dory Shafrier]

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[Elise Hu]

You didn't know that? Yeah.

[Dory Shafrier]

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[Elise Hu]

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[Dory Shafrier]

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[D]

Hey ladies. This voicemail is for the listener that called in about the hair oil recommendations. Her hair was like wavy to curly and I think I have the same hair texture as that collar, you know, thanks to the 90s and the early aughts, I've just straightened it, you know, my whole life, but especially since having kids and not having as much time. Plus I think my hair has gotten a lot curlier since having kids. I'm really trying to lean into the curly aspect or wavy to curly aspect of it. Anyway, I want to recommend two things. One, a product that I've had luck with is curlsmith. I'm using the Hydro Style Flexi jelly, but there's a lot of stuff in the curlsmith line and you can take a quiz on their website to see what might be best for you. There's also Ouidad O U I D a D, which I've had luck with. But I'm in the same build as the caller where like, nothing has completely scratched that itch perfectly between like getting frizzy or getting crunchy. It's so hard. It's so hard to crack that nut. And then my second recommendation is, and maybe the listener already does this book, an appointment with A diva cut. I hate that phrase. But it's a, it's a hairstylist that does a. That goes to special training to cut curly hair. And not only will they cut your hair in a way that's amazing for your exact curls, but what I like the most about it is that you have basically their ear for like that half hour or whatever to just ask questions about what's best in my hair. You're touching my hair, therefore how, you know, how do I wash it, what do I put in it, how do I dry it, what product to use. So I've found that to be super helpful as well. Getting a diva. All right, good luck. Bye.

[Dory Shafrier]

Bye. They also had a quick follow up.

[D]

Oh, I forgot one thing for the curly hair listener. Oribe Elise, Correct me if I'm wrong, I've never heard anybody say that word other than you. Their shampoo is called cleansing cream for moisture and control. It's really expensive, but it's great. Also, Elise like just casually throwing in there that she like spoke at a rebate thing. I mean, like, girl, you're amazing. That bottle of shampoo tiny was like 50 bucks. I'm so impressed.

[Elise Hu]

Okay, bye.

[Dory Shafrier]

Elise is very cool.

[Elise Hu]

So the best thing about speaking for them is they were like, oh, you actually like our products. And I'm like, yes, yes, I do. And they're like, which ones? And I told them and they sent me a box and that was the, maybe the best thing that happened to me in all of 2024.

[Dory Shafrier]

I love that so much. Okay, more. Rex, Someone wrote in to say that they have similar hair and have been using the original Moroccan oil for over 10 years. The classic. She could get a travel size to test it out. And I've been using that tiny bottle for traveling. Just pump some in. For my regular bottle I've tried different oils and keep coming back to this one. It doesn't leave my hair greasy and doesn't weigh it down. I normally apply it to damp hair after washing followed by a curl cream. I also sometimes use it on dry hair to tame it down a notch.

[Elise Hu]

Our next one says, hey Dorian. Elise on mini EP445 Someone wrote in asking for hair oil. Rex. I'm mixed race with very curly slash coily hair and live in always humid Florida. I've tried so many creams, oils, gels and leave ins and ultimately decided on my favorite must have hair care products for curly girls. The heat and humidity gel is the magic to get my curls soft and frizz free. The intense curl cream is also a nice add on too. There's also a hair oil in the lineup. Mongongo Oil Multi Use Curl treatment, which lasts really long since you don't need to use much. Kind of higher price point. But the good thing is you only need a smaller amount of these products to style your hair. It's all about finding the right ratio to use for your hair. Try experimenting with these. Hope this helps. Wait, so which, which brand is this?

[Dory Shafrier]

Oh, it's the Wedad Ouad.

[Elise Hu]

Okay, so everything that we just mentioned was under that the WEDAD umbrella?

[Dory Shafrier]

I believe so, yes.

[Elise Hu]

Okay. Fantastic.

[Dory Shafrier]

Lisa also said side note, listening to your podcast is a small thing I do for self care. Thank you for all you do.

[Elise Hu]

Hmm.

[Dory Shafrier]

So nice. Another listener wrote in to say that they have a similar hair type to the original listener who asked this question. And they use verbs, ghost oil and a sea salt spray and mousse. Okay, all right. And then do you want to take this last one, Elise?

[Elise Hu]

Sure. I have similar hair curl texture as the collar and also battle frizz. I feel like it's so much expensive trial and error, but here are a few things to try. Maybe we need JVN on Forever 35 to talk rock hair. Jonathan Van Ness. Okay, Ghost Oil by Verb has Care oil. It's a drugstore buy Verb Curl Defining Mask Curl Smith Oil in Cream and Curlsmith Bonding Oil. Also and this is a separate non hair thing, a drugstore sunscreen wreck. I just came upon in Love the Cetaphil Sun 50 sheer mineral face sunscreen for sensitive skin made to go under makeup. I still can't figure out something to go over makeup midday if you're going back out and would love Rex for that. Okay.

[Dory Shafrier]

Okay.

[Elise Hu]

That's the call out recommendations for sunscreen to put over makeup when you're reapplying midday.

[Dory Shafrier]

Okay, there we go. All right, Elise, that concludes our hair oil portion of the podcast.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah, thanks for all the wrecks.

[Dory Shafrier]

Yeah, these are great. We are going to take another little break and when we come back we're gonna have a bunch of dog training tips. Also we mentioned this on the last episode, but if you are over listening to ads on this podcast, you can subscribe to our patreon at the 10 level and you can get ad free episodes. So that [e-mail] Forever35 that helps keep the show going without the need for you to listen to ads. So if you that is something that appeals to you, head on over to our Patreon. All right, we're going to Take a short break and we will be right back.

[Elise Hu]

Okay? We'll be right back.

[Dory Shafrier]

All right, we are back.

[Elise Hu]

And as you all know, I've been having some puppy problems, as in I have a giant 80 pound puppy. And he's very rambunctious and mischievous and I've about had it with him swallowing things.

[Dory Shafrier]

Oh, gosh.

[Elise Hu]

He's had two trips to the hospital, one major surgery and it's just like, you know, he's a, he's a little menace. A large menace.

[Dory Shafrier]

A large menace. Yeah.

[Elise Hu]

And you all have heard, heard my stories and have called in.

[Dory Shafrier]

Yes. Thank you so much for all of these suggestions. We're going to start with a voicemail.

[E]

Hey, Elise and Dory, I am listening to the latest mini episode in your woes of Oscar continuing. And I. So I don't have a dog. I am not a dog whisperer. I am not someone who is well versed in dogs. But on Instagram, and I'm sorry if this is useless information, but what they did or what they do is they save like Amazon boxes, like the bigger ones or boxes in general, and when the dog is like getting antsy or energetic or whatever, they give them the box to just like rip apart and tear through. And it doesn't really matter because it's cardboard and it kind of gets. It like scratches the destruction itch and like it's kind of like a puzzle, I guess is what they were saying, but in a like non destructive productive sort of way. I don't know if that's something that would make sense for you or not, but I just figured I'd leave it there and you know, I'm sure other people will have better suggestions because they actually have dogs. But I figured I would just leave that here and share what I saw while doom scrolling on Insta. Thank you so much. Bye.

[Elise Hu]

Thank you. I have tried that a bit in that sometimes because he likes to shred, I'll just experiment with leaving a box because like an Amazon box or some sort of packaging. Right. To see if he wants to get into that. And he really prefers to get into my porch furniture. When given a choice, he'd go for the many hundreds of dollars of like a mat that cost, you know, a cushion that cost hundreds, hundreds and hundreds of dollars. But he has good taste.

[Dory Shafrier]

He has good taste.

[Elise Hu]

I, I'll maybe I'll give him more box options and see if he, he takes. Takes that up.

[Dory Shafrier]

Oh, man. All right, we got some more suggestions, Elise, in regards to your puppy, I believe his tendency to chew and destroy things slash swallow toys is because he isn't being properly exercised. Depending on breed, dogs need one to two hours a day of intense exercise. Running off leash, wrestling, etc. And puppies need even more then when not exercising they should be in rest mode in their crate or somewhere safe. Puppies should not be left out unsupervised to do as they please. Dangerous, ingesting things destructive and setting up bad habits for life.

[Elise Hu]

Oh no.

[Dory Shafrier]

Even at home. When my dogs were young, I would keep them with me at all times on leash, even in the house until she learns between right and wrong in proper size crate when left home alone. But I really think the dog needs mental stimulation and engagement and much more exercise. Going on walks doesn't cut it unfortunately. This, this listener's really telling it like it is. Perhaps, perhaps looking to a local trainer to help with guidance. Some LA dog walkers will take out for pack hikes which is a great way to get out that pent up energy once old enough and trained well enough to go off leash. Just don't want puppet to suffer from eating or chewing on the wrong things and don't want you stuck with any more high vet bills. But get on top of it now or else pup won't learn and will just become more destructive and be a forever chewer. Yikes. I'm meaning this all to hopefully be helpful and not sound judgy. I've trained several dogs from puppies, so I do have a little experience and also into puppy training as well for things I needed extra help with. Hope you and pup are doing well and enjoying yourselves despite the frustrations. Raising a puppy is so hard but rewarding. Love from Northern California.

[Elise Hu]

I appreciate it. Yeah, no, I appreciate it. And I have been thinking like we walk Oscar a lot multiple times a day, but it does seem like he, it. He's still not tired out sometimes. I mean sometimes if he goes on a bunch of really long walks, he's eventually like sleepy and sleeps like through the afternoon as a very mellow dog. But he does need a lot of exercise. So she's, she's not wrong, she's not wrong on that. And I did on your recommendation door on the pack hike, I, I reached out to the guy who does that and they're just trying to figure out whether I live too far, you know, and because I think geographically they have just.

[Dory Shafrier]

Yeah, yeah.

[Elise Hu]

But okay, I'm working on it. Thanks for the tips.

[Dory Shafrier]

Okay. Are you, are you mentally prepared to hear some more tips?

[Elise Hu]

Okay.

[Dory Shafrier]

Okay.

[Elise Hu]

Yes.

[Dory Shafrier]

This is the last One. All right, Elise. I keep a bunch of these filled with peanut butter in my freezer. They keep my dog busy and help her manage being alone when I'm not home or doing something in another room that she can't be a part of. I would Google puzzle toys and stock up on a variety. And they linked to a Kong, which we had that. This is what we used to help Beau through his separation anxiety. We used a variety of Kongs. We would fill them with high value treats, as they say in dog training world, and like hide them in different places in the house.

[Elise Hu]

Oh.

[Dory Shafrier]

So he would have to find them and work on them. And that helped him sort of like get over the hump of being left alone. Yeah, but if you're creating. If you're creating him when you're gone, that's not as much of an issue. But this might just help with like, mental stimulation even when you're home. It could be like an activity for him for sure.

[Elise Hu]

Because when he gets bored, if I'm on a long zoom call, then he comes up to me and wants to play and is a distraction. So, yeah, I've. I've experimented with various Kongs. I also got the Pupsicle, which was sold to me at a dog training place. The Pupsicle was like specially designed to keep your dog occupied for at least 20 minutes. And it's like a round thing that you put inside the toy itself. You screw it in and then he kind of has to lick at it continuously until he gets to. He finishes it. So that's worked, but then the pupsicle disappeared. Now the popsicle's gone and it was a $40 toy, so I don't know if I'm gonna get another one for a while.

[Dory Shafrier]

Ew.

[Elise Hu]

I know. It's just like I'm trying various things. They work to various degrees, but he is making progress. He is getting better.

[Dory Shafrier]

Okay, good, good, good.

[Elise Hu]

And I think. I think a lot of Yalls thematic advice is right, which is like, just be patient, be consistent. You know, make sure he gets lots of exercise. And. And yeah, received with thanks.

[Dory Shafrier]

Okay, well, Elise, we got a lot of wrecks on this episode and yeah, we appreciate them. So thank you to everyone and we will talk to you soon.

[Elise Hu]

Okay, Talk next time.

[Dory Shafrier]

All right, bye.

[Elise Hu]

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