Mini-Ep 450: What Is Midsommar, Anyway?

Summary

Forever35 Podcast Summary: Mini-Ep 450 - "What Is Midsommar, Anyway?"

Release Date: July 2, 2025
Hosts: Doree Shafrir & Elise Hu

In this engaging mini-episode of Forever35, hosts Doree Shafrir and Elise Hu delve into a variety of topics ranging from the nuances of Midsummer traditions to practical self-care tips and listener interactions. This episode is a blend of personal anecdotes, insightful discussions, and heartfelt advice, all delivered with the trademark humor and self-awareness that Forever35 is known for.

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1. Understanding Midsommar and Its Timing

The episode kicks off with a lighthearted confusion about the actual timing and meaning of Midsummer. The hosts discuss the discrepancy between the common perception of Midsummer as the midpoint of summer versus its historical roots.

• Elise Hu [02:07]: "I thought... it's the name of that film. It's the name of the foreign Florence Pugh film. But what does it actually mean?"

• Doree Shafrir [02:11]: "The name Midsommar is attested in Old English as Mid Sumor and refers to the time around the summer solstice."

Their conversation highlights the cultural and linguistic origins of the term "Midsommar," distinguishing it from the plot of the similarly named film.

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2. Personal Updates: Relocating and National Parks Trip

Elise shares her relief about moving from the East Coast to the West Coast, expressing gratitude for the improved environment and the upcoming national parks trip.

• Elise Hu [04:02]: "I'm feeling so much immense gratitude that we're on the west coast and I'm no longer on the east coast where I like, there were just bad smells everywhere because everybody was sweating constantly."

Additionally, they touch upon concerns regarding proposed budget cuts to national parks maintenance, emphasizing the urgency of their planned trip.

• Elise Hu [04:33]: "We are getting ready for our big national parks trip. Couldn’t come a moment sooner because apparently the budget cuts are proposing, like 25% cuts to the maintenance of national parks."

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3. Creating a Pleasant Home Environment with Scents

Elise recounts her experience staying at a friend's house and discovering a beloved diffuser scent, leading to a discussion about the importance of pleasant home fragrances.

• Elise Hu [04:16]: "I went and found the diffuser that she used. It's called Nest fragrances. And the scent was white peony and honeysuckle nest. It wasn't overpowering."

• Doree Shafrir [05:35]: "I've had some nest diffusers and they are lovely. I think Peony is having a moment, what with the Trader Joe's candle."

They explore the aesthetic and aromatic benefits of quality diffusers, considering cost and availability.

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4. Pet Antics: Unexpected Wildlife Visitors

Doree shares humorous and slightly chaotic stories about their pets inadvertently bringing wildlife into the house.

• Doree Shafrir [06:26]: "This person wrote solidarity. Elise. The same thing happened to me with my cat bringing a live bird inside through the doggy door."

• Elise Hu [08:41]: "Oh, what an adventure. Nature."

These anecdotes serve as entertaining interludes, showcasing the unpredictable nature of pet ownership.

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5. Listener Interactions: Voicemails and Texts

a. Million Bazillion Podcast Recommendation

A listener recommends the Million Bazillion podcast, aimed at teaching children and families about money management.

• Listener [12:25]: "My daughter is 11... My dad, who worked on Wall Street, has listened to it and even he's commented to be like, wow, this is a really great podcast."

• Elise Hu [13:53]: "Million Bazillion is the podcast. Is that right? Million Bazillion. It sounds really good."

b. Tips for Donating Stuffed Animals

A listener seeks advice on eco-friendly ways to donate used stuffed animals. Doree provides a local resource.

• Doree Shafrir [14:53]: "Beautiful Buddy drives happen here locally and that's where we give them to because it sounds like Salvation army and... Goodwills do not take them."

c. Advice on Navigating a Controlling Relationship

An email from a concerned family member seeks guidance on supporting a niece in a problematic romantic relationship.

• Elise Hu [18:13]: "I think the best thing that you can do is listen and tell her that you are there for her and you will support her."

• Doree Shafrir [19:20]: "I think it's a really good sign that she wants to confide in you."

The hosts emphasize the importance of listening, validating feelings, and providing unwavering support without being confrontational.

d. Sunscreen and Sun-Protective Clothing Recommendations

Listeners share their favorite sun protection products, which the hosts discuss and rate.

• Listener [22:20]: "I've been using this mineral sunscreen... Tzo Tizo Facial Primer Tinted Sunscreen SPF 40."

• Elise Hu [23:53]: "Free Fly Apparel has some nice UV clothing. My husband loves the hoodie long sleeve and I do the regular long sleeve."

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6. Practical Tips: Cleaning a Tutu

A listener asks for advice on properly cleaning a tutu, a common concern among dancers and their families.

• Elise Hu [25:43]: "Because it's all tulle... So my answer is I've never cleaned it tutu."

• Doree Shafrir [26:09]: "I think hand washing? Yeah, don't throw it in the washing machine for sure."

The hosts recommend gentle hand washing to preserve the delicate fabric of tutus.

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7. Upcoming Episodes and Collaborations

Doree and Elise tease future content, including crossovers with other podcasts and upcoming vacation plans, keeping listeners informed and engaged.

• Elise Hu [26:23]: "We're really excited because we're going to drop in our feed the latest episode of our friend Sam Sanders podcast Vibe Check..."

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Conclusion

Mini-Ep 450 of Forever35 offers a delightful mix of cultural exploration, personal stories, practical advice, and community engagement. Doree Shafrir and Elise Hu provide a comforting and entertaining space for listeners to explore self-care, navigate life's challenges, and connect with a supportive community.

Notable Quotes:

• Doree Shafrir [02:11]: "The name Midsommar is attested in Old English as Mid Sumor and refers to the time around the summer solstice."

• Elise Hu [04:02]: "I'm feeling so much immense gratitude that we're on the west coast and I'm no longer on the east coast..."

• Elise Hu [18:13]: "I think the best thing that you can do is listen and tell her that you are there for her and you will support her."

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Stay tuned for more insightful and heartwarming episodes of Forever35, where self-care meets real-life wisdom.

Transcript

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[Dory Shafrir]

Hello and welcome to Forever 35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I'm Dory Shafrier.

[Elise Hu]

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[Dory Shafrir]

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[Elise Hu]

Can you believe we have passed Midsummer Midsommar?

[Dory Shafrir]

Wait, Summer just started.

[Elise Hu]

But it is. We are past the summer solstice. Or I guess that is. Isn't that.

[Dory Shafrir]

But that's the beginning of summer. That's. Isn't that the beginning of summer?

[Elise Hu]

I thought. Well, yes, but isn't it called Midsummer? I'm so confused.

[Dory Shafrir]

Oh, I have no idea.

[Elise Hu]

Like it's Midsummer.

[Dory Shafrir]

Maybe that means the beginning of summer, not the middle of summer.

[Elise Hu]

Summer.

[Dory Shafrir]

I have no idea. I didn't see that.

[Elise Hu]

The name of that film. Yes, it's the name of that film. It's the name of the foreign Florence Pugh film. But what does it actually mean? Date? Tuesday, June 24th. Yeah, it was yesterday. The. The name Midsommar is attested in Old English as Mid Sumor and refers to the time around the summer solstice.

[Dory Shafrir]

Okay, all right.

[Paige Desorbo]

Well, there you go.

[Dory Shafrir]

Learn a new swing every day.

[Elise Hu]

I can't believe we've passed it. But it's not technically the middle of the summer season.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yes, that's what I was confused By.

[Elise Hu]

Yes. So we now have offered up a little cocktail chatter for you. We have passed midsummer. But midsummer is not the middle of summer. This is like the old Linda Richmond on Saturday Night Live. When do you remember Mike Myers playing Linda Richmond on Saturday Night Live? It was always like, a thigh master is neither a thigh nor a master.

[Paige Desorbo]

Discuss.

[Dory Shafrir]

It's true. Oh, my God.

[Elise Hu]

Midsummer is not the middle of summer. Discuss.

[Dory Shafrir]

No, it is not.

[Elise Hu]

How you doing? How are you doing?

[Dory Shafrir]

I'm okay. How are you? Yeah, how are you?

[Elise Hu]

I'm good. I am really, like, I'm feeling so much immense gratitude that we're on the west coast and I'm no longer on the east coast where I like, there were just bad smells everywhere because everybody was sweating constantly.

[Dory Shafrir]

Oh, God.

[Elise Hu]

And then. And then the sewers smell. It just smelled.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yeah.

[Elise Hu]

You lived in New York, so you remember what New York was like in the summer. And D.C. was. They don't call D.C. a swamp for. For nothing. You know, it was just very mosquito ridden and very, very hot. So I'm glad to be home. And we are getting ready for our big national parks trip.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yes.

[Elise Hu]

Couldn't come a moment sooner because apparently the budget cuts are proposing, like 25% cuts to the maintenance of national parks. So I'm like, great. I'm getting in, getting it in under the wire.

[Dory Shafrir]

Oh, dear. Yikes.

[Elise Hu]

Yes, I know. I. You learn something new every day. I'm just full. I'm full of fun facts. And then I was thinking, I've been trying to, like, log my micro joys since we've put a call out to listeners to think about their micro joys and call in with them. I was staying at my friend Kristen's house in D.C. so thank you to Kristen for this amazing arrangement in which I get to stay at her house, which she just leaves empty because she lives elsewhere. And her house smelled so good. There was a faint scent in there. And so I went and found the diffuser that she used. And so let me see, let me find. I wrote it down because I was like, I'm going to borrow this or I'm going to buy one of these. It's called Nest fragrances. And the scent was white peony and honeysuckle nest. It wasn't overpowering. Yeah, yeah. Well, I. I wasn't even familiar with it until I stayed at her house.

[Dory Shafrir]

I've had some nest diffusers and they are lovely. And, you know, I'm going to just say it. I think Peony is having a moment, what with the Trader Joe's candle.

[Elise Hu]

Mm. I was burning that this morning. Smells delicious. So Nest. Nest smells great. Or this particular fragrance from Nest smells great. I need to find out the cost. Is nest expensive? Are they like Diptyque?

[Dory Shafrir]

It's not like. Yeah, I mean, it's not like the most expensive, but it's like, like you would buy it at Nordstrom.

[Elise Hu]

Okay.

[Dory Shafrir]

Not Target. You know what I mean?

[Elise Hu]

Well, maybe there's a dupe if it, If I'm sure.

[Dory Shafrir]

If I'm sure there is a dupe.

[Elise Hu]

If I go shopping and find that it's. Whoa. Then maybe there's a dupe.

[Dory Shafrir]

Elise, we got an email with some solidarity for you.

[Elise Hu]

What could this be about?

[Dory Shafrir]

This person wrote solidarity. Elise. The same thing happened to me with my cat bringing a live bird inside through the doggy door. Luckily, it was during the day. It flew about our 13 foot ceiling living room, and we just opened every door in the house and closed the curtains, waiting for it to exit. It did eventually. Thankfully, we had the doggy door permanently removed. Good thing, too. Just this week, she brought us a live snake. What? I am so, so, so thankful I was able to yell at her through my closed glass door until she let the snake go outside. I would have died if she brought that into my mess of a living room and I had to find it.

[Elise Hu]

So this is a possibility. Like, I have that, that possibility in store for me. I'm apparently, I'm really trying to keep Abe locked in.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yeah, once your cat decides to start bringing you gifts, I guess all bets are off.

[Elise Hu]

I'm shuddering. I'm shuddering.

[Dory Shafrir]

Bo has never brought me a gift.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah, I don't know if it's a dog thing. I, I, I, I know that cats like to do it, but it makes sense, like, for animals to have an offering.

[Dory Shafrir]

When we first got Beau, he was being fostered, and his foster mom told us that he would kill rats in the yard. He was a rat catcher.

[Elise Hu]

What a talent.

[Dory Shafrir]

What a talent. I know. He just looked at me like, what? Now? Maybe we don't have rats because he has not brought me any rats. But he does like to, he does have, like, the hunting gene. Like, if he sees a squirrel, he.

[Elise Hu]

Is like, so, so we know he has the capacity, he can do it, but thankfully he hasn't.

[Dory Shafrir]

Oh, Matt, just remind. Matt heard me say that and just reminded me that, oh, my God, when Henry was, was like, really little, we had this, like, outdoor, big, outdoor playpen for him that we kept and it just sort of like, lived in the front yard.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah.

[Dory Shafrir]

And I forgot that Beau had once trapped a skunk in the outdoor playpen.

[Elise Hu]

What?

[Dory Shafrir]

Ew. Oh, my God, he smelled so bad.

[Elise Hu]

Oh, did they spray? Oh, so this. So the skunk did spray y' all. Oh, my God.

[Dory Shafrir]

Well, it didn't spray us, but sprayed Bo and we had to get him, like, a special skunk bath and, like, the whole thing. It was terrible.

[Elise Hu]

So I cannot.

[Dory Shafrir]

Oh, I know.

[Elise Hu]

Oh, what an adventure.

[Dory Shafrir]

What an adventure.

[Elise Hu]

Nature.

[Dory Shafrir]

Anyway, everyone's having encounters with.

[Elise Hu]

These pets are really. I was going to say these pets are really answering the call of the wild.

[Dory Shafrir]

Seriously? My God. All right, well, Elise, we should take a break. Before we do that, I just want to remind everyone for these mini episodes, we love getting your calls and your texts. Please call or text us at 781 591-0390. Email us at forever35podcastmail.com Our website is forever35podcast.com. We have links there to everything we mention on the show. Follow us on Instagram @forever35podcast. Our newsletter is @forever35podcast.com newsletter and our favorite products, including now hair oil, is @shopmy US. Slashforever35. And we're going to take a short break, and when we come back, we have some recommendations on talking to your kids about money, which came up in our episode with Amanda Clayman.

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Great.

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[Dory Shafrir]

All right, we are back and we are going to kick things off with a voicemail.

[Listener]

Hey Dorian. Elise. Hope all is well. I was just listening to the episode with Amanda Clayman and heard one of the listeners call in asking about books or blogs for dealing with kids allowances and just wanted to give a quick plug for a podcast for children and families called Million Bazillion. My daughter is 11, she's about to start middle school and she loves it and she's a couple afternoons a week she stays with my parents who walk the kids and so they listened to it with her. And my dad, who worked on Wall street for many years in marketing has listened to it and even he's commented to be like, wow, this is a really great podcast. It's very informative, very kid appropriate. So just wanted to give a plug for that and also really quickly if I don't get cut off. Very curious about the stuffy purge that Elise mentioned at the end of the podcast. Where do you take all the stuffies? We are perpetually purging stuffies, but I find that there aren't a lot of places that take used stuffed animals. So if anyone has any suggestions for ways to purge stuffies that avoid a landfill, would love to hear that as well. All right, Happy summer.

[Elise Hu]

Million Bazillion is the podcast. Is that right? Million Bazillion. It sounds really good.

[Dory Shafrir]

It is called Million Bazillion. Yes.

[Elise Hu]

Okay. I have not heard of it before, so thank you for the suggestion. I need it for my kids. I as you know, Issa is very into shark tank and boards of directors and things. She's like into corporate world. So maybe she'll get into this podcast and like finances.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yeah. So what's so funny is we got a text that said hello for the listener asking about teaching their kids about money during the Amanda Clayman episode. The Million Bazillion podcast is great for this. Oh, my 11 year old daughter has listened for years and has learned a lot about how money works in the world in a fun and straightforward way. Favorite episode I've listened in on explains how YouTube content creators make money. So we got this voicemail and then we got this text and I was like, what are the odds an 11 year old girl listening to this podcast. But it turned out these are two separate listeners.

[Elise Hu]

Wow. Wow.

[Dory Shafrir]

So it must be big in the 11 year old girl community.

[Elise Hu]

Sounds like it. And I need, I need to get Issa into this. It sounds perfect. And yeah, and speaking of Issa in particular, one of our listeners called in an called in during a previous mini app to remind all of us that fourth graders in the country get free access to national parks because they get that fourth grade pass. And I mentioned to Issa like, oh, we need to print out your pass before we go to the national parks. And she's like, so you're using me just because I happen to be in fourth grade?

[Dory Shafrir]

Oh my God.

[Elise Hu]

And I'm like, well yes.

[Dory Shafrir]

Oh, that's so funny. Oh, Isaac.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah, gotta love her, gotta love her. All right, this Million Bazillion podcast and then the question about stuffy donation. There is a local group that we donate our pre loved stuffed animals to so long as they're clean and in good condition. And it's called Be Utiful Buddy. That's B, like B E and then Y O U, T I F U L. Beautiful Buddy drives happen here locally and that's where we give them to because it sounds like Salvation army and. Yeah, and Goodwills do not take them. All right, so moving on, the next email. Hi Dori and Elise. My niece recently graduated from high school and has been in a year long relationship with her boyfriend who has been controlling and critical of her. He's made hurtful comments about her appearance, called her selfish when she tried to get a job and shared unkind things his family has said about her. Despite this, she's still with him and hasn't made any post high school decisions, seeming to wait for him to make the call on their future. It feels like she's more in love with the idea of love than with him. But I'm worried that she lacks the confidence to see her worth and recognize she deserves better. She has accepted a summer sales position out of state to save for their future, which will give them some Distance, but makes us fearful because they live in an area where it is common to get married young. This has everyone close to her on edge. Later this month, I'll have the opportunity to spend time with her during a family vacation and she mentioned wanting to talk about her boyfriend. She has some recognition that it isn't a healthy relationship, but hasn't cut him off completely yet. I want to be there for her and offer advice, but I'm also cautious. I don't want to push her away or make her feel judged in a way that would drive her closer to him or prevent her from confiding in me in the future. Have you had any experience navigating this kind of situation? How can I approach the conversation in a way that encourages her to think critically about the relationship without alienating her? Thanks so much for any insight you can offer. Who? Boy. Have you had any situation like this, like with your family members or friends?

[Dory Shafrir]

No, I haven't. I think the best thing that you can do is listen and tell her that you are there for her and you will support her. And I think that coming out too hard against this guy who sounds like a total nightmare is going to backfire. And when it does implode spectacularly, because it will. Like she's gonna need someone to turn to.

[Elise Hu]

That's absolutely right. This is really tender territory. I think the nuance and the connection that you share with your niece really matters here because if she is the victim of like hyper controlling behavior, which is what this sounds like on its face, then her self worth and her own voice has probably been eroded over time. And especially because she's just carving out her identity. She's very young. Right. These are formative years. So that controlling relationship can often feel, especially if your self worth has been eroded, like a kind of stability or comfort.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yeah.

[Elise Hu]

And. Or love, which is tangled in there. And so the goal here isn't to get her out. Like that specific objective seems to be exactly what Dory is saying could backfire. I think the goal is to really help her reconnect with her inner emotional engine, her soul, her voice, and really making sure that she feels trust in you as her aunt and as somebody that she can go to is vital.

[Dory Shafrir]

I think it's. I think it's a really good sign that she wants to confide in you.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah. She's already noticing some yellow flags, if not red flags. Right. So your role is to help trust her, like help her trust what she's already feeling.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yes.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah. Navigating the actual talk is so Difficult, you know, because you've got to like validate her and her experience without attacking the boyfriend because then you're setting yourself up as, as an oppositional person. But maybe just staying curious. I mean the advice that comes up so often like in any kind of therapy that I've ever done is always like asking the other person to reflect. You know, like what do you like about the relationship? What feels good about the relationship? What are the things that don't feel so good? You know, like how do you feel about yourself when you're with him? You know, if, if a good friend of yours was describing this kind of treatment to you.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yeah.

[Elise Hu]

Would you be okay with it? You know, like what would you want for her? And so that could help with the, with just making sure that she has a lot of self compassion.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yeah, yeah.

[Elise Hu]

Anyway, that's, it's, it's very tender. It's a tough one. But just be being there for her and making sure that you're a trusted adult for her I think is so vital.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yeah, I think that's really good advice. All right, we are going to take another short break and we will be back with a couple of sun protection recommendations.

[Elise Hu]

Great. We'll be right back.

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[Dory Shafrir]

All right, we are back and the first text we got is someone who said hi. Messaging from Vancouver Canada about sunscreen. I've been using this mineral sunscreen on my entire face for years. It doubles as primer so helps my eye makeup set and stay put. Highly recommend and it is the Tzo Tizo Facial Primer Tinted Sunscreen SPF 40. I have tried their products before. For me the it's been mixed.

[Elise Hu]

Why?

[Dory Shafrir]

I think it was the consistency. So this feels like your mileage may vary. You Know what I mean?

[Elise Hu]

Yep.

[Dory Shafrir]

Some people might love it. I can't give it my like full throated endorsement because I remember not being like super excited about it. But that's just me.

[Elise Hu]

It isn't cheap either.

[Dory Shafrir]

Well, this is Canadian.

[Elise Hu]

Oh, Canadian dollars. But yeah, Canadian dollars would. That means it would cost just a little bit less, right?

[Dory Shafrir]

Like 60 US I see it on their website for 45. So maybe it's extra in Canada. I don't know. So yeah, definitely not cheap though.

[Elise Hu]

So.

[Dory Shafrir]

All right. And then another listener wrote in to say free fly apparel has some nice UV clothing. My husband loves the hoodie long sleeve and I do the regular long sleeve. Lightweight and breathable and somewhat less frumpy than other brands.

[Elise Hu]

Yes. We are still looking for non frumpy sun protective clothing.

[Dory Shafrir]

I was not familiar with this brand. I will say the, on the, on the website, the models are younger than. Oh than the Cooley bar site, which is funny to me. But I would say the. Yeah, the stuff looks a little, a little cooler. Maybe I'm. Maybe I'm just super.

[Elise Hu]

I don't know, all day tank on the Free Fly site. It's a sporty cropped tank. You wouldn't even know it's special UV protective clothing. Yeah, it's cute. It's cute. It's a good color. It's a good green. Oh, I'm sorry. It's called sea pine. The women's all day tank in sea pine. Take a look folks. If you're looking for non frumpy UV.

[Dory Shafrir]

Clothing, I think not all of their clothes are uv.

[Elise Hu]

Oh, wait, so just FYI, right? So maybe the cute stuff isn't the UV clothing.

[Dory Shafrir]

I don't know. I clicked on sun protective sun protection and I don't see a tank row. But like, yeah, I mean I think this stuff is like fine. Some of the pants aren't bad.

[Elise Hu]

I have, I have a question from a mama in one of my group, in my chat groups that I wanted to put out to the. Put out to the listenership because I think some of you all have surely been dancers in the past or have dancers in your family. My mom friend asks, can anyone tell me the best way to clean a tutu?

[Dory Shafrir]

Huh?

[Elise Hu]

Because it's all tulle.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yes.

[Elise Hu]

I don't know the answer.

[Dory Shafrir]

Huh?

[Elise Hu]

We've worn the tutus that we have. We've worn them like for one performance and maybe one. I was going to say. So my answer is I've never cleaned it tutu.

[Dory Shafrir]

Right.

[Elise Hu]

But if you are to reuse one over and over or you want to give it away, what would you do to clean it? So if there's any good tips for.

[Dory Shafrir]

That, I think hand washing?

[Elise Hu]

Yeah, probably, I guess.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yeah, don't throw it in the washing machine for sure.

[Elise Hu]

Big mistake. Big mistake.

[Dory Shafrir]

Big mistake.

[Elise Hu]

So just a heads up, a little programming note for next Monday we are going to be on vacation because as I mentioned, I am going to be in Zion on the family trip that was inspired by one of our listeners. And while we're on vacation, we're really excited because we're going to drop in our feed the latest episode of our friend Sam Sanders podcast Vibe Check that he co hosts with his friends Saeed Jones and and Zach Stafford. And each week they tackle what's going on in their lives, just like Dory and I do at the start of these episodes and also tackle what's going on in the wider world. So we're really excited about that. That's coming up on Monday, so you'll hear us at the top of the show. But then an episode of Vibe Check and we forever 35 hosts will be in the Vibe Check feeds too. So if you listen to both shows, you're going to get to hear this kind of crossover sensation. So that's coming up on Monday and then we will be back in your feeds for a regular mini app next Wednesday.

[Dory Shafrir]

All right, talk to you soon.

[Elise Hu]

Until next time.

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[Elise Hu]

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[Dory Shafrir]

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