Mini-Ep 457: Don’t Forget to Wipe

Summary

FOREVER35 MINI-EPISODE 457: DON’T FORGET TO WIPE
Date: August 20, 2025
Hosts: Doree Shafrir & Elise Hu

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EPISODE OVERVIEW

This episode is a classic “mini-ep” featuring hosts Doree and Elise addressing listener questions and sharing updates on self-care, home hacks, and daily routines—with humor and plenty of practical advice. Topics include the ongoing saga of finding the perfect reusable paper towel replacement, emotional support for hair loss, weekend adventures, and even a dose of organizational wisdom inspired by their children.

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MAIN DISCUSSION POINTS & INSIGHTS

1. Catching Up: Weekend Stories & LA Daylife

[02:41–08:24]

• Elise’s Weekend Highlights:
  • Cyclovia in LA: Elise shares her experience with LA's Cyclovia, where major streets are closed to cars for cyclists and pedestrians. She enjoyed it as an adult outing with friends and capped off the day with tacos and a Taylor Swift cover band concert.
    “We went as adults rather than with our kids, though I ran into so many of my kids’ friends and they were all like, ‘Where’s Issa, where’s Luna?’” — Elise [04:03]
  • Critique of the cover band singer’s vocal range, but overall, a wholesome, fun event.
• Doree’s Weekend Recap:
  • Tennis and Theatre for Kids: Attended a children’s play at Santa Monica Playhouse, starring former nanny Holly. The play was interactive, funny, and engaged her son Henry, but best suited for kids 8 and under.
  • Exploring Beverly Hills: After her son’s math class, detoured at Beverly Hills Park to look at quirky public art installations, then had lunch at iconic deli Nate and Al's.
    • Fun memory shared about how the late Larry King frequented Nate and Al's.

Quote:

“Henry is a lot. Sometimes at the end of the weekend I’m like, one Henry equals two.” — Doree [07:58]

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2. Listener Updates: Reconnecting With Distant Friends

[09:32–11:23]

• Listener writes in with an emotional update after taking action to meet distant friends, inspired by a previous episode on friendship.
• Doree reads part of the note:

  “[...] My heart felt very full, and the world feels more open to us. Doree, I’ve been thinking a lot about your sister-in-law. [...] She sounded like an amazing person who really knew how to enjoy life.” [10:01–11:23]

• Both hosts express gratitude for the update and encourage similar listener input.

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3. Reusable Kitchen Rags & Paper Towel Alternatives: Deep Dive

[15:21–24:22]

A parade of listener tips and hosts’ experiences on rags, towels, and kitchen organization.

Key Recommendations:

• Bar Mops:
  • Utopia brand, 12 for $20 on Amazon. Sturdy, bleach-safe, tossed in a kitchen basket and laundered together.
    “We have a basket under our kitchen sink where dirty/used ones get tossed, and then all are washed on a heavy-duty cycle.” [15:27]
  • Listener comments on the "weird/wasteful" feeling of paper towels after switching.
• Flannel Cloths:
  • Flannel cloths (e.g., Marley's Monsters Unpaper Towels) used for years, easy to make with old sheets if crafty, hold up well.
  • Note added about sergers for crafting.
• Muslin Washcloths & Rags:
  • Used for wiping kids’ faces, as washcloths for self and babies; “I use the washcloth after I’ve rinsed my face...hold it under hot water...so relaxing.” [18:22]
  • Bulk rags from hardware stores (Lowe’s, Home Depot) can last for years—“I might have that roll still when he graduates from high school.”
• Dish Towel Organization:
  • Flour Sack Towels: IKEA recommended for price and durability, for heavier messes.
  • Cloth Napkins: Multiple sets in a container for daily use, supported by green cleaning products like Blueland, Clean, or Branch Basics.
  • Dirty Cloths Bin: Key organizational tip—for both function and hygiene, have a designated bin under the table or sink for soiled towels.

    “The key to this system is having a place for your dirty napkins and cloths when you are done cleaning with them...” — Listener [21:02]

The Bins Philosophy:

• Elise shares how her Virgo daughter Ava inspires her organizational methods (“she used to like to keep lists and to do lists when she was 4”). She is now adopting labeled bins for laundry and cleaning:

  “Now, having followed her example with the bins, now I have like laundry cleaning and house cleaning labeled as separate bins above my laundry machine, which is the first time I’ve ever done that in my life.” [23:40]

Humorous Interlude:

• Doree recalls an early LA date with an eccentric “cheap” man who eschewed paper towels.

  “He was real weird, but he didn’t use paper towels...now in retrospect, 12 years later, I’m like, oh, he was kind of ahead of his time in that regard.” [20:50]

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4. Quick Pet Health Update: Bo’s Biopsy

[24:22–25:34]

• Doree updates on her dog Bo’s inconclusive biopsy, with the vet recommending monitoring but no current cause for concern.

  “She thinks it was just kind of the, like, how they did the biopsy...I don’t actually think it’s an issue.” [25:16]

• Elise jokes:

  “Show up at Denny’s at 4:30 for the moons over my Hammy.” [25:34]

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5. Hair Loss Journey: Doree’s Experience & Listener Support

[28:27–31:38]

• Listener asks about Doree’s approach after being diagnosed with female pattern hair loss.
• Doree’s Protocol:
  • Started with oral minoxidil and a topical to stop shedding; notes oral minoxidil takes about 6 months for results; warns of a temporary increase in shedding after starting.
  • Stopped topical minoxidil due to hair greasy-ness; oral seems effective, and her stylist has commented on regrowth.

  “Everyone says...you just have to stick with it.” [29:56]

  • Encourages openness; situates hair loss as a normal, age-related phenomenon:

  “It’s nothing to be ashamed of. It just happens...a natural part of getting older. And fortunately, we live in an age where there’s things we can do about it.” [31:01]

• Elise chimes in about recent reporting that men’s hair loss may be on the cusp of a similar breakthrough.

  “I read in New York Magazine that they think they’ve solved it for men too...all these AI images of like, what Putin would look like with hair.” [31:28]

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6. Dinner Recipe Inspiration

[32:05–34:42]

• Doree shares two successful recipes:
  • One Pan Chicken and Pineapple Tacos (from a British food writer; “If you are someone who likes cooked fruit...this is kind of your thing.” [32:37])
    • Sheet pan method, spicy marinade, squeeze lime and add shallots post-cooking.
    • “We were like, oh, it’s too bad there’s not enough for leftovers.” [33:32]
  • Summery Cherry Tomato Pasta (from Love & Lemons): a quick, no-chop recipe with capers for extra flavor.

    “You also don’t have to cut the tomatoes...which can be annoying because they’re so small.” — Elise [34:15]

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MEMORABLE QUOTES & MOMENTS

• On the Org Bin Revolution:

  “The bins are so important now that I’m like getting more into organization, which I generally haven’t been for the last 40 years of my life. I love the bins. I love like containers and labeling things.” – Elise [23:00]

• Hair Loss Honesty:

  “…I think it’s just that people don’t talk about it as much. It’s nothing to be, like, ashamed of. It just happens. It’s just, like, a natural part of getting older.” – Doree [31:01]

• Kitchen Cloths Epiphany:

  “Sometimes the best alternative is really just a good old cloth napkin which you can find at any home goods store.” – Listener Voice Memo [21:10]

• Circle Back to Butt Masks:

  “Trump and the patriarchy forever. 35 butt masks.” – Longtime Listener [19:47]

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TIMESTAMPS FOR IMPORTANT SEGMENTS

• [02:41] Weekend catch-up: Elise's Cyclovia adventure
• [04:39] Doree’s Santa Monica Playhouse experience
• [09:32] Listener update: Reconnecting with distant friends
• [15:21] Deep dive: Bar mops and other reusable kitchen towel tips
• [21:02] Voice memo: Cloth napkins and bins for dirty towels
• [24:22] Pet update: Bo’s biopsy results
• [28:27] Listener letter: Female pattern hair loss and Doree’s journey
• [32:05] Dinner recipe wins: Chicken and pineapple tacos, pasta
• [34:45] Episode wrap-up

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TONE & STYLE

Light, friendly, and supportive, with plenty of relatable anecdotes and practical tips. The hosts keep a conversational pace, inject humor (including callbacks for longtime listeners), and invite genuine community engagement—staying true to Forever35’s “we’re not experts, just here for each other” vibe.

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FINAL REMARK

This episode is a cozy grab-bag of solutions and support, filled with helpful hacks, self-care solidarity, and the ongoing pursuit of a well-feathered (if crumb-free) nest.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

And I'm Elise Hu and we're just two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.

[A]

And this is a mini episode where we hear from you, we share your comments and your thoughts and we answer your questions to the best of our ability. So please remember we are not experts, we are podcast hosts. We do always encourage you to seek support first and foremost from a medical and or mental health professional as needed.

[B]

Yeah. Yes we do.

[A]

How's it going Elise?

[B]

It's going great. We are just coming off the weekend so we're taping on a Monday for a Wednesday. And I was just telling you that I had great daylife. You know, people talk about the nightlife of towns, but I also think that LA has great daylife. You know, they do Cyclovia, or is it called Ciclovia?

[A]

I think it's Cyclovia.

[B]

Cyclovia, where they close down kind of these major cities, six to eight lane streets to only bicyclists or pedestrians, or you can like roller skate or skateboard or ride a unicycle. And they. The strip that they closed down was from Culver City down to Venice. So my neighborhood. So I could just hop on to that route from my house. And instead of taking kids, we went as adults, like me and my good friend Angela and Rob. So the three of us did it and we just had the best time. And then we rode past my house to get tacos afterwards, and that was delightful. And then in the afternoon, there was like this Taylor Swift cover band concert, shout out to Swift Nation. And it was like the most wholesome thing. It was out. It was a free concert in the park in Playa Vista. And so many people went. And again, we went as adults rather than with our kids, though. I ran into so many of my kids friends and they were all like, where's Issa? Where's Luna? And I was like, no, it's just me. It's me.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

And she didn't sound. She's not in the same vocal range. The main singer of this band, Swift Nation, she's not in the same vocal range as Taylor Swift, but she really, like sang through the eras and had all the costumes and it was a lot of fun. So, yeah, it was a good old time.

[A]

It was really fun.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What about you?

[B]

Tell me about your weekend. Fill me in.

[A]

Oh, let's see. Saturday I played a tennis match.

[B]

Good, good.

[A]

Which was fun. And then I'm like, what? What did we do? Oh, yes, that's right. Then Saturday afternoon, we went to see our former nanny Holly's play.

[B]

Oh, that's right.

[A]

At the Santa Monica Playhouse, which is this little theater in Santa Monica that puts on these. I guess it would be reinterpretations of classic tales. Oh, yeah. Apparently the woman who like, runs the playhouse writes all of these and like, writes the music. And they're all like. They're all sort of ridiculous, but kids love them. Like they have a kids series and that's what Holly has been in. Um, so we saw their, like, reinterpretation of beauty and The Beast. Oh, I think we saw that one twice. And now they're doing one based on Alice in Wonderland called Alice. It's like Alice in the Wonderful Tea Party or something. Holly has like five roles.

[B]

Oh my gosh.

[A]

We should go see her. It was, it was very fun. Henry was like legit, like belly laughing. He thought it was so funny. And the kids were really into it. I would say it's best for kids like 8 and under.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Ava would not. I don't think Ava would enjoy it, but I think Luna would probably enjoy.

[B]

It because she's silly, right?

[A]

Yeah, exactly. It's very silly. There's a lot of like physical comedy and it's. Yeah, it's kind of. And. And they sort of involve the audience in a. In a sweet way. And Henry kept going. I think that's Holly my pointing to because she was wearing like truly the most insane makeup. So it was actually like a little hard to tell that it was her.

[B]

But.

[A]

And yeah, but it was really. It was really sweet that on Saturday, um, And then Sunday I took Henry. Henry does this like math thing on Sundays. So we went. And then as we were driving there, we went past this park in Beverly Hills that like runs the length of Santa Monica Boulevard. It's the one with like the classic, like Beverly Hills sign that people take pictures in front of. Yeah. And then. And we saw some like, weird. There's always like weird sculptures on it. There's always like strange public art installations on it. Like, right. Recently there was this whole thing with like elephants. The elephants are gone now, but now there's something else.

[B]

They just switch them out.

[A]

Can we. Yeah. He was like, can we go to this park on our way home? And I was like, sure. So we stopped there, we walked around for a little while, and then I took him out for lunch at Nate and Al's, which is this like classic love. Nate deli.

[B]

Yeah, love.

[A]

And that was super fun. Yeah. But he, you know, Henry is. Henry is a lot. And I was just thinking like, you know how they say in the mountains, like, one drink equals two.

[B]

Yes. Yeah, we were just talking about that a month ago.

[A]

Yes. Sometimes at the end of the weekend I'm like, one Henry equals two. It's just. Yeah, it's a, Yeah, A, you know, six year old high energy kid is. Is intense as you know. But yeah. So by the end of the weekend, I was just. I think I was in bed at nine last night.

[B]

Nice. What a treat. What a treat.

[A]

It was a treat. It was a treat. So. Yeah. So that's what's going on. Henry goes back to school this week, so yay.

[B]

It feels so good. It feels so good to have the kids back into a routine. And then Nate Nells, I don't know if you know this, but Larry King used to go there like every single day apparently.

[A]

Oh wow. Larry.

[B]

Larry King. R.I.P. and I guess Rob knows this cause he's like an Angelino from birth. And the last time we were there we went. We. We like closed it down. Cause we went after some event and I was like, let's go to Nate and Al's cause we're nearby. And I thought it was kind of like a Denny's type diner where you could stay for 24 hours. But no, we got kicked out of Nate and Al's. They were like, get out of here.

[A]

Close. It does close.

[B]

Yeah. So I don't know if I'm welcome back at Nate and Al's because we were like, but why not?

[A]

Oh my gosh. That's really funny.

[B]

Yeah. I love that place though. So it was. I was really delighted when I saw you bring that up. All right, shall we. Should we jump in?

[A]

Well, yes, because before we take a break, we have. We have an email from a listener that I just want to read that I thought was really sweet. This listener wrote, hi Dorian, Elise. This is in regards to the friendship mini app that we reran while I was on vacation. And so this listener writes, thank you again for reading my letter on missing friends who live far away and finding it hard to get together. We got together.

[B]

Yay.

[A]

My friend who lives in NYC messaged the group that she was going to the city our two other friends live in for July 4th. And I thought, this trip is almost planned. If I can get myself there too, we will all be there. And I did it. We stayed at the same hotel and had a lot of casual together time. We did pick up right where we left off and it was fun to see my two friends with kids as parents and get to know their kids and spend time with my friend without kids. I ended up going with just my kiddo, 18 months at the time. My husband got really sick the day before we were supposed to leave. I felt bad that he missed out on our daughter's first trip, but I just could not cancel and would have taken care of her solo that weekend. Anyway, we had an amazing time. My heart felt very full and the world feels more open to us. Dory, I have been thinking a lot about your sister in law. I'm so sorry for Your family's loss. She sounded like an amazing person who really knew how to enjoy life. I'm not a Bravo watcher, but have thought of her when I watch in just like that. She was an amazing person who really knew how to enjoy life and she did love Bravo. So, yeah, thank you for that. And I love this update. I love that our rerun of that episode inspired you to write in with an update. Love this update.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, that was a good one. That was a good one.

[A]

That was a good one. If you want to write in with any updates or questions or comments or concerns, any, you can do that by emailing us at Forever35podcastmail.com. You can text us at 781-591-0390. You can call us at that number. You can also email us a voice memo. Please do not text us voice memos. We got a couple of texts this week with things that looked like they may have been voice memos attached, but Google Voice was like, not about it and was like, this file is not supported.

[B]

Oh, no. Okay, so we're just learning that as we're going along then, because I think we asked you all to text us.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, I have mentioned that they don't let you say, even if it comes through, they don't let you save it. So it just makes it, it makes it tricky to text us voice memos. But you can email them to us. We love that. And you can just text us regular old texts. So 781-591-0390. You can visit our website, forever35podcast.com we have links there to everything we mention on the show. We are on Instagram @forever35podcast. Sign up for our newsletter atforever35podcast.com newsletter and our favorite products are at Shopmy US/forever35. And after the break, we have yet more dish towel, dish rag, kitchen rag. I don't, I don't like. They're not exactly. They're not like tea towel dish towels. You know what I mean? All right, we'll be right back.

[B]

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[A]

All right, we are back. Elise, do you want to read this first one? Sure.

[B]

Bar Mops for the listener Looking for a paper towel replacement, I was skeptical at first, but my husband was very committed to getting rid of paper towels in our house and bar mops have worked great for us both for wiping counters and kids faces. It's possible Dory we bought the Utopia brand from Amazon. As I'm searching through my purchase history, though I'm sure they're available in other Places no attachment to that specific brand. I think probably all are very similar. Just use the search term 12 pack for 20 bucks. And it looks like we've replaced slash added to them every two years, which seems pretty good. We have a basket under our kitchen sink where dirty slash used ones get tossed and then all are washed on a heavy duty cycle together. They hold up very well, including to my tendency to bleach them when they have been used on grease like cleaning a cast iron pan, and are real gross. We happen to have recently moved and are using paper towels until our stuff arrives and is unpacked. And I can't get over how weird slash wasteful it feels now. I also think they just don't work as well as our good old bar mops.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Utopia brand 12 for 20 bucks.

[A]

Love this. All right. Someone else texted us with another recommendation. They said, hello, Dorian, Elise, another reusable paper towel option. I have these flannel cloths and use them daily for cleaning surfaces. My kid, etc. I've had them for over three years and they hold up well. If someone is crafty, they could easily make their own from old flannel sheets and a serger or sewing machine. I don't know what a serger is, do you?

[B]

I don't either, but I'm not a.

[A]

Sewer, so I guess they're. They're useful for sewing knits.

[B]

Okay. Okay.

[A]

All right. Okay. Thanks for all your work in making this wonderful podcast for all of us listeners. And they linked to a company called Marley's Monsters. And this product is called Unpaper Towels.

[B]

Ah, very cool. All right.

[A]

Yeah, and they look cute. They come in. They come in all different kinds of prints as. As discussed. They are a little pricier, but they seem.

[B]

We will link. Yes, we will link to all of these mentions from our show notes.

[A]

So, you know, it's funny, this company also sells an unpaper towel holder.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

It looks like just a regular paper towel holder, but I guess it's a little smaller and it's. It's made to. Oh, this is interesting. They all sort of fit. They all. They like, sort of stick together. So you can put them on this dowel and like peel them off one by one like a paper towel. That's kind of fun.

[B]

Okay, okay.

[A]

All right. Okay. I'm learning so much.

[B]

All right, we have one more on. Well, one more written one to read on this topic. Hi, Forever35. Long time. 100th time. Ha. Smiley face. But for real. Been listening since the very first episode. Elise, you have been Such a great addition. Anyway, I was just pausing the pod, as they say, for the caller, looking for rags. I was picking up exactly what she was trying to wipe down. Oh, that's funny. For these tasks, I use muslin wash cloths that I wipe my kids faces with. And hot tip, I also wash my own face with them. Quick sidebar. I use the washcloth after I've rinsed my face off and then I hold it under hot water and just kind of hold it over my face. It's so relaxing. But then I really wipe my whole face. Neck decolletage area behind the ears and back of neck. It just makes you feel fresh. Okay, back to regularly scheduled programming. Use those cloths to wipe the babe's faces. For the kitchen rags, I'm also kind of stuck and have just gone back to sponges from Costco, but I also got a roll of rags from Lowe's or Home Depot and I use those when I would use paper towels and then they just get thrown in the wash. The mileage on that one roll is going to be a long time because, like, once you have a few in rotation and then start washing them. I haven't needed to throw any out. My youngest is one. I might have that roll still when he graduates from high school. Anyway, love the pod. Keep on keeping on. Trump and the patriarchy forever. 35 butt masks.

[A]

Wow. Butt masks is. Is a. Is an old callback.

[B]

Well, like she said, she's been listening.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

From the very first episode.

[A]

So. So that, yeah, that is. That is an old callback. I've not thought about butt masks in a long time. So thank you for, for referencing those. You know, this is just reminding me of this. I. I went on a few dates with this guy when I first moved to la. He was. I mean, he was real weird, but he didn't use paper towels. Like, he was very. And like, I couldn't tell. Was it because he was cheap? Was he actually environmentally conscious? I think it was because he was cheap. He was very cheap. But now in retrospect, like 12 years later, I'm like, oh, like he was kind of ahead of his time in that regard. Like, I feel like, you know, there have always been people who didn't use paper towels, but now it's like, much more mainstream, so.

[B]

Yeah, it's in vogue now.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. All right, we have one more voice memo about dish towels. I mean, again, what a.

[B]

It's the gift that keeps on giving.

[A]

It is the. The gift that keeps on giving. Okay, here we go. Hi, Dorian.

[C]

Elise, I wanted to call in, but after hearing from the listener who was looking to swap paper towels and Clorox wipes, that's a swap we've been working to make in my house. And sometimes the best alternative is really just a good old cloth napkin which you can kind of find at any home goods store. But yeah, I have various sets and they're all in a cute little container on the kitchen table and they're great for little messes and little hands and little faces. And I also keep a spray bottle, a refillable spray bottle with sort of a nice non toxic all purpose cleaner. There's a lot of different brands out there. Blueland Clean call Branch Basics that'll offer some sort of concentrate or refillable all purpose cleaner that you can use for your surfaces. And that and a cloth napkin can go a long way. And then for heavier messes I have the sort of like believe they're called flour sack towels. Seconding Elise's IKEA rack for those because they tend to be pretty affordable and hold up really well over time. I have some that I've had for like five years and they're still not that gross. The key to this system though is having a place for your dirty napkins and cloths when you are done cleaning with them. Because having a bunch of dirty cloths around the kitchen becomes a problem in and of itself. So for me the solution is a little bin. And I keep the little bin under the table where my cat eats. Can't really see it, but I know it's there. And that's where I put my dirty napkins and linens before it's time to do laundry. Just one of the little things that helps me feel cleaner and less wasteful in my house. And yeah, it really is the little things sometimes. Thanks for all you do.

[A]

Bye.

[B]

The bins are so important now that I'm like getting more into organization, which I generally haven't been for the last 40 years of my life. I love the bins. I love like containers and like labeling things. And I think I'm getting this from my daughters who are far more into organization than I am. Like Ava is very, she's a Virgo. I've, I've, I've. I have felt this way about her since she was little. She used to like to keep lists and to do lists when she was 4 years old. So and then she would like. And then when she was six she had prompts for what she was going to journal about and she kept it on a wall and it was like, these are the things, you know, like, I'm going to journal about what I'm grateful for and any highs and lows of the day.

[A]

All this. So sweet.

[B]

It's so Ava, though. It's like, so Ava. And then if you go look at her vanity, which she now has this vanity that Raul put together for five hours, which I've talked about, it's so organized. She has like, her brushes in one place. She has a certain drawer just for face. She has a certain drawer for, like, body, you know, because she has all the skincare products and all these things. So it's so funny. And now, having followed her example with the bins, now I have like laundry cleaning and house cleaning labeled as separate bins above my laundry machine, which is the first time I've ever done that in my life. So bins, Bins for these rag, slash towel wiping mechanisms. Love it. Thanks for the suggestion.

[A]

Bins. It's just all about the bins. Oh, my gosh. I have. Wait, I forgot. I have a BOW update.

[B]

Okay, yeah, let's talk about it before we go to break.

[A]

So his blood work was perfect. Everything was fine. The biopsy came back a little inconclusive, but the vet said she wasn't really concerned. She said if it had been something they would have, they probably would have seen like, more conclusive results. And she thinks it was just kind of the, like, how they did the biopsy. She's like, we could redo the biopsy. You would have to, like, you would have to pay for it. She's like, you could also just kind of keep an eye on it and monitor it. If it seems to be getting bigger or changing or like, then come back in. But the way she said it was kind of like, I have to tell you this information, but I don't actually think it's an issue. Do you know what I mean?

[B]

Okay. Yep, yep, I get that vibe.

[A]

Yeah. And Matt listened to it too, and he was like, that's. That's what I think as well. So, yeah. So all is well in Boland and he is just, you know, living his best senior citizen life.

[B]

Show up. Show up at Denny's at 4:30 for the moons over my Hammy.

[A]

Honestly, that would be his dream. All right, we are going to take another short break and when we come back, we got a listener question about my hair loss journey. So stay tuned. You know, Elise, I have found that sometimes the most uncomfortable thing about a mattress is its price.

[B]

Yeah, they're so expensive sometimes, like when you Go into the store and get.

[A]

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We sure do.

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That's a high rating. That's probably the highest rating. Yes.

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All right, we are back. And this listener wrote. Hi. I'd love to hear more about Dory's journey through navigating hair loss. I'm just at the beginning of my journey of identifying a lot of shedding. I saw Derm, who ordered labs and offered a few options for medication, topical or oral minoxidil and or oral spiral spirinelactone. She suggested against biotin, but encourage collagen as it can't hurt. Curious to learn about Dory's experience and other words of wisdom, tips and tricks and morale boosters, I knew I was shedding a lot of hair. My ponytail felt smaller. But hearing the derm say female pattern hair loss had me in tears. Thank you for all you do. Okay. Happy to talk about this. When I first went to the dermatologist, he started me on oral minoxidil. He also. I wish I could remember the name of the medication, but it was a topical, like, liquid that I put through my hair that he said would help stop the shedding, because minoxidil takes about six months to, like, see any results.

[B]

Oh, okay. I didn't know that.

[A]

Yeah. So it's like, you kind of have to have patience, and you also go through a period of minoxidil, I guess about six to eight weeks after you start taking it where you. Where you shed. So I think for people who are already losing their hair, it can be very, like, disconcerting.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But everyone is just like. Like, what everyone says is, like, you just have to stick with it. And, yeah, I. And then I also had been doing some topical minoxidil. I stopped doing the topical. It, like, you have to do it twice a day. And it really. I felt, like, made my hair so greasy and gross that I was like, whatever marginal benefit I'm getting from the topical minoxidil is sort of offset by how gross it makes me. Like, I feel like it makes my hair look. So I'm just gonna do the oral, and we'll see how that goes. I think it's going pretty well. I'm actually going to my dermatologist next week for a mole check, and I'm gonna just, like, check in with him. But, yeah, I mean, I would recommend it. Like, my hair definitely looks fuller. I have regrowth. My hair stylist just was like, oh, like, I can see the regrowth. So. Yeah. And, like, you know, I know hearing those words, female pattern hair loss can feel alarming, but, like, I think it's just that people don't talk about it as much. It's nothing to be, like, ashamed of. It's just, like. It just happens. It's just, like, a natural part of getting older. And fortunately, we live in an age where there's things we can do about it.

[B]

I read in New York magazine that they think that they've solved it for men too.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

They have. Yeah. They have all these AI Images of, like, what Putin would look like with hair.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Check it out.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. Thank you for this question. Ask, like, feel free to ask me if you have other questions. Feel free to ask. I feel like it's important to be, like, an open book on this topic. And then lastly, Elise, I forgot to write this down on our document, but I have been. I've been making some new dinner recipes.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

In particular that I do want to share because I thought it was delicious. If you are someone who likes cooked fruit, like, if you like, I made these. It's the. The name of the recipe is One Pan Chicken and Pineapple Tacos. So you, like, bake the chicken with the pineapple? Yes, I really like, like, a. Like a grilled or like a baked pineapple or like a grilled peach or something like that.

[B]

Grilled peach? Yes.

[A]

Yeah. Like, I like stuff like that. I know some people don't, but if this is kind of your thing, then I think you'd like the. You make a marinade for the chicken that has, like, a nice kick to it, and you use chicken thighs, and then you cook everything on a sheet pan. And then when you take it out of the oven, you squeeze some lime juice over it, and you put in some, like, diced shallots and just, like, mix everything up. It was so. I thought it was so good. We will link to this recipe. It's from a British food writer, so you do have to convert some of the measurements, but I'm sure everyone can handle this. Like, it was so good that we were like, oh, it's too bad there's not enough for leftovers.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

Like, I will definitely. I will definitely make this again. And then there was another. We will. And we will link to this as well. And then there was another recipe. I was in the mood for, like, a. Like, a summery pasta, and I made this cherry tomato pasta recipe from Love and Lemons, which I've gotten good recipes from before that I also thought was delicious.

[B]

I love cherry tomatoes. The girls love cherry tomatoes. That could be. That could be a contender at the hus.

[A]

Yes. And it's. It's super easy. You also don't have to cut the tomatoes.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Which can be annoying because they're so small. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. It's so time consuming, but it's very flavorful. There's, like, capers in it. I'm usually not a huge capers fan, but it does give it a nice flavor. So. Yeah, so we will link to this as well. But I just wanted to share because I know I've been complaining about having no, like, dinner creativity. And these were two recipes that I made this week that were really, really good.

[B]

Great. All right, we'll share those too.

[A]

Okay. All right, everybody, thank you so much for listening and we will talk to you soon.

[B]

Okay, talk to you next time.

[A]

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