Mini-Ep 458: Wigs, Babies, and Bronzer

Summary

Forever35 Mini-Ep 458: Wigs, Babies, and Bronzer

Hosts: Doree Shafrir & Elise Hu
Date: August 27, 2025

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Episode Overview

This lively "mini-episode" of Forever35 brings together listener questions and personal updates with the signature mix of humor, relatability, and candidness that hosts Doree Shafrir and Elise Hu are known for. In this episode, key themes include grappling with hair loss (and wig solutions!), the emotional complexities of being a working parent, bronzer recommendations, and small joys and practicalities in daily self-care. As always, the hosts celebrate the power of community wisdom, honest self-reflection, and a little bit of fun.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Community Connection & Catching Up (01:22–09:18)

• The episode kicks off with Doree and Elise reiterating their role: not as experts, but as friends sharing experiences and advice.
• Listener engagement: Listeners are encouraged to call or write in with questions, tips, and “life hacks”—the show thrives on this ongoing two-way exchange.
• Missed socks & charging cables: Elise wonders aloud about the mysterious disappearance of everyday items, humorously linking it to the universal phenomenon of missing socks:

  “Do they go to, like, the same place as the other sock? …charging cable/missing sock heaven.” (02:48 – Elise)

• Personal updates:
  • Elise discusses getting bloodwork results back from Function Health, expressing skepticism about the purpose of tracking obscure biomarkers, as well as anticipation for her daughter’s volleyball tryouts and plans for a casual outdoor concert at a golf course.

    “Now I’m like, some random blood indicator that is tied to my immune system is… 31 instead of 32... Am I supposed to do something about this? Is this just to sell me a supplement?” (03:06 – Elise)

  • Doree shares excitement about a dinner for Bunker Club, a women and queer-oriented golf club—despite not golfing, she enjoys the community aspect.

Fun with Fashion and Beauty Finds (06:49–09:18)

• Elise laments the inaccessibility of certain cosmetics shades in the U.S., having relied on a friend to bring MAC’s Lightful CC Cushion from Singapore, and celebrates discovering a solid replacement at Ulta:

  “I have found a replacement I’m very excited about... the IT Cosmetics CC Cream, which is available in Ulta stores. And it’s excellent.” (07:46 – Elise)

• Listeners are invited to share their experiences with these products, reinforcing the resource-sharing spirit.

Mugging Debate: Free vs. “Lidded” (09:18–09:54)

• A lighthearted ruling on whether a glass tumbler with a wooden lid counts as “free mugging.”

  “As the official arbiter of free mugging, I am going to say no. This is not free mugging.” (09:18 – Doree)

  • Decision: “If there’s a lid, even if it’s not secure, it’s not free-mugging.”

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Segment 1: Listener Advice on Hair Loss & Wigs (13:16–17:17)

Listener Voicemail (13:37)

• Story: A listener describes their journey with persistent hair loss after childbirth, unsuccessful attempts with various treatments, and ultimately finding self-esteem and satisfaction through high-quality lace top wigs.
• Notable Quote:

  “There was sort of like a mourning process involved… but I’ve now been wearing wigs every day for the past probably three, four years, and it really has changed my life and my self-esteem and absolutely everything. I have the hair of my dreams. I never have a bad hair day.” (14:13–14:49, Listener)

• Encouragement:

  “If all the different medications and all of the doctors… don't work for you, there is another option.” (15:06, Listener)

Hosts’ Reflections:

• Doree remembers her own “wig-curious” phase, and Elise notes how on-theme it is, mentioning E. Jean Carroll’s signature wig as seen on a recent episode:

  “Her bob, which is now her signature look, is a wig.” (16:11–16:16, Elise)

• Discussion on cost: high-quality wigs vs. expensive hair supplements and treatments, with Doree plugging prescription minoxidil as an affordable option covered by insurance.

  “It's like $3 a month or something. With my insurance. It's very… cheap.” (17:10, Doree)

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Segment 2: First-Time Parent, Traveling for Work (17:35–23:28)

Listener Voicemail:

A new parent is anxious about leaving their 7-month-old for a short work trip, worrying about the baby’s wellbeing, possible emergencies, and feelings of guilt.

Hosts’ Responses:

• Elise normalizes the anxiety:

  “Let me allay your concerns… your relationship with your baby will be long and they will not forget you. They could not possibly forget you… It's also great for her to form a tight bond and a relationship with the other caretakers in her village.” (19:13–20:24, Elise)

• Personal anecdotes: Both hosts candidly describe their early challenges with maternal separation, with Elise humorously recalling a misguided early trip that led to “leaking on the plane nonstop” due to breastfeeding logistics (20:39–21:31).
• Doree’s advice:

  “It will all be fine. It might not be exactly the way you would have done it, but it will be fine.” (23:24, Doree)

• Encouragement:

  “Enjoy your time. You got this.” (23:27, Doree)

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Segment 3: Product Recs – Bronzer & Plant-Based Milks (26:32–27:36)

Listener Voicemail: (26:37)

From Boulder, CO, a listener suggests Jones Road gel bronzer as a replacement for the discontinued Tom Ford gel bronzer and touts Trader Joe’s coconut almond vanilla milk as excellent and affordable for coffee or tea.

Hosts’ Responses:

“Thank you for calling in… Love Jones Road.” (27:27–27:36, Doree)

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Segment 4: Communication Styles Around Serious Medical News (27:55–29:40)

Listener Voicemail:

A heartfelt story about their mother announcing a Parkinson’s diagnosis via concise group email:

“The subject line just said Parkinson’s… then the body: ‘I got it, starting [medication] today. Bye. Love, Mom.’” (27:55, Listener)

Hosts’ Reflections:

• Both hosts reflect on personal experiences with similar family communication styles:

  “Rob’s father also suffered from Parkinson’s for many years… at one point they were eating lunch and his dad was like, ‘Wow, I’m real fucked up.’” (28:57, Elise)

• They find both humor and familiarity in these understated, sometimes blunt, family exchanges about life-altering news.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On missing items:

  “Do they go to, like, the same place as the other sock? …charging cable/missing sock heaven.” (02:48, Elise)

• About finding the right foundation:

  “…in Northeast Asia they don’t make shades dark enough for my skin. So I have to get somebody to mule it specifically from Singapore.” (07:12, Elise)

• On wigs:

  “I have the hair of my dreams. I never have a bad hair day.” (14:43–14:45, Listener)

• Parental anxiety reassurance:

  “They could not possibly forget you… it’s also great for her to form a tight bond… with other caretakers in her village.” (19:30–20:24, Elise)

• About serious family news:

  “The subject line just said Parkinson’s… the body of the text, it said, ‘I got it… Bye. Love, Mom.’” (27:55, Listener)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Show start & banter: 01:22–09:18
• Cosmetic substitutions & “free mugging” debate: 07:02–09:54
• Listener hair loss & wig journey: 13:36–17:17
• Working parent anxiety about travel: 17:35–23:28
• Bronzer & plant milk recommendations: 26:37–27:36
• Communication about health news: 27:55–29:40

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Tone & Style

Throughout, Elise and Doree maintain a warm, funny, and self-aware style. They validate listeners’ anxieties and joys, share their own vulnerabilities, and foster a sense of accessible community.

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Summary:
This episode of Forever35 serves as both a practical resource (with tips on beauty, self-care, and parental guilt) and a safe space for honest, compassionate conversation. Even heavier topics—like hair loss or a parent’s illness—are approached with a sense of solidarity and gentle humor.

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For first-time listeners:
Expect friendly, refreshingly real talk on everything from finding the right bronzer to navigating life transitions, always with input from listeners like yourself.

Transcript

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[Dory Shafrier]

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[Elise Hu]

And I'm Elise Hu and we're just two friends who like to talk a.

[Dory Shafrier]

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[Elise Hu]

Yeah, though we love your questions and most of the time the questions that come in do not require expert takes.

[Dory Shafrier]

This is true. This is very true.

[Elise Hu]

It's just you just want experience and you just want a little advice from somebody who's might have gone through something like this or has bought the product that might be helpful for said problem. Though I do appreciate when we have asked questions like how to clean a tutu that we have listeners out there who can then call in. This is a two way conversation, right? It's not like one to many. It's true. It's an ongoing, living, breathing conversation with y' all every week. Which is why we're so glad that you tune in every week because, yeah, we, we've gotten some really good hacks this year regarding the tutu cleaning. And my charging cables keep going missing inexplicably. Where do they go? Do they go to, like, the same place as the other sock? You know how, like, the other sock always goes missing from the dryer? They must go to charging cable, slash, missing sock heaven.

[Dory Shafrier]

What else is happening with you?

[Elise Hu]

What else is happening? Hmm. Well, I am done doing my blood tests for my Function Health membership, so I'm starting to get a bunch of biomarkers back. And most, most of my biomarkers are great, but this Function Health program, they test you on so many different things that you're bound to have something that's a little off. And so now I'm like some random blood indicator that is tied to my immune system is like a little bit off or, you know, 31 instead of 32, which is the normal range, the bottom of the normal range. And I'm like, well, am I supposed to do something about this? Is this just to sell me a supplement? I'm not quite sure, but yeah, I'm getting some of those back. And then this weekend, what is happening this weekend? Ava's got volleyball tryouts next week, so she's going to be kind of like, making sure she's back into that groove. And we're going to probably do a little outdoor picnic concerting over at the golf course that I haven't done that much this summer. We've talked about it, I think, on the casual chats how there's kind of a low rent Hollywood bowl over here on the west side where there's concerts on the lawn of the public golf course, the Penmar. And it's quite a scene. Like, Everybody who's under 30 years old and lives in Venice comes out, it feels like. And it kind of looks like a Hollister ad.

[Dory Shafrier]

It was really big on TikTok last summer. I feel like I haven't seen it as much this summer. Maybe my algorithm has changed.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah, yeah, maybe it's sparing you. It's sparing you all of the content of the long skirts and the. You made some comment about how all of the hair is the same color. Like everybody kind of has the same highlights. People in storefront posters seem to be at the Penmar. So we're gonna do that on Friday. I am going to host a book book event or moderate a book event for a friend of mine from the Texas Days later tonight. So looking forward to that. Otherwise. Otherwise it's pretty chill. Any headlines in your world?

[Dory Shafrier]

Not a ton. I'm going to a dinner tonight for this really cool organization, I guess, I don't know, club called Bunker Club. That's like a golf club for women and queer identified people. And I became friendly with the founder and have played poker with her a bunch of times. Oh, cool. So, yeah, so I'm going to this dinner with for them tonight, which I'm excited about. It's always like, cool people who I would never encounter in my, like.

[Elise Hu]

Are they all golfers?

[Dory Shafrier]

They are mostly all golfers. They have accepted me. I have said, look, if I didn't have all this tennis stuff, I would happily come golf with y'.

[Elise Hu]

All.

[Dory Shafrier]

But it's just golf. Golf is very time consuming.

[Elise Hu]

It sure is.

[Dory Shafrier]

But I really like kind of their whole, like, ethos and what they do. So cool. I try to, you know, hang with them as much as I can.

[Elise Hu]

Good.

[Dory Shafrier]

Not much, not much else going on here in our world. It'll be Henry's, you know, end of Henry's first week of school and he's, he's worn his Sonic the Hedgehog, his new Sonic the Hedgehog sneakers every day.

[Elise Hu]

Oh, rad. See, this is the, this when, when there are these kinds of, like, kid items. I always wish they made them in adult sizes because I would rock the Panmar Golf Course concert series on Friday if I had some Sonic the Hedgehog sneakers.

[Dory Shafrier]

Oh, my God.

[Elise Hu]

I have, I have these sequin bomber jackets that are so cool, which I only have because I bought them in like size 1416 from the kids section.

[Dory Shafrier]

Oh, my God.

[Elise Hu]

They don't make them an adult. Yeah. Oh, and I have, I told you, as some of our listeners may know, I love my CC cushion and my CC cream, which is like a tinted moisturizer slash foundation slash sunscreen that I get from the Mac stores in Singapore because only in Asia do they make the light full CC cushion. But then in Northeast Asia they don't make shades dark enough for my skin. So I have to get somebody to mule it specifically from Singapore or maybe other places in Southeast Asia that have Mac stores that sell this lightful CC cushion. But my friend Sarah, who I haven't seen all this year, who's my usual mule. We, because we haven't seen each other. I'm out. I'm out of my cushion. Like the actual foundation stuff. And so I have found a replacement I'm very excited about. Is not, I have to put it in my cushion applicator. So I'm still using my lightful packaging, you know, the, the device, like the little, the little sponge and everything. But I'm out of the actual foundation product and I have replaced it with the IT Cosmetics CC Cream, which is available in Ulta stores. And it's excellent. It's great. It's not too greasy, not too cakey, not too heavy. And it's a CC cream, so I'm still using. It doesn't. I don't have the right application device, but I have CC Cream again from Ulta where I can just pop over in four minutes. So very exciting.

[Dory Shafrier]

Wow.

[Elise Hu]

If any of y' all have had experience with this line of cosmetics, please do share because I was trying stuff out and was pretty happy with it.

[Dory Shafrier]

I love that you have like a specific country that you need to buy your products. It's crazy.

[Elise Hu]

It's annoying. It's really annoying.

[Dory Shafrier]

I know. I, I shouldn't say I love. I mean, I, I like that you have fabric, but it's. Yes, but it's also like, why does it have to be that way?

[Elise Hu]

Right? It turns out it IT Cosmetics, which is available at Sephora and Ulta. Now that I'm seeing it online, it's CC Cream is not bad. And I found it in just the right color. Just the right color for me.

[Dory Shafrier]

Oh, interesting. Interesting. Well, before we take a break, we did get a message that said, hey, does a glass tumbler with a wooden lid for iced coffee count as free mugging? As the official arbiter of free mugging, I am going to say no. This is not free mugging.

[Elise Hu]

There's still a lid. Even though it's not secure. They're still a lid.

[Dory Shafrier]

Yeah, it's still a lid. And so you are not free mugging. Thank you.

[Elise Hu]

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

[Dory Shafrier]

Judgment. Yes, exactly. Judgment has concluded. Okay, now really, before we take a break, please call or text us at 781-591-0390. This is a very voicemail heavy episode. I will just say yay. And you can also email [e-mail] we also like getting emailed voice memos. Unfortunately, if you try to text those to us, Google Voice does weird things and doesn't like them. But you can email them to us. You can also Visit our website, forever35podcast.com we're on Instagram @forever35podcast. Our newsletter is forever35podcast.com newsletter and our favorite products are at shop my.us/forever35. And after the break we have a listener who called in with another option for hair loss. And we also have a voicemail about Traveling without your 7 month old. Like leaving your 7 month old at home. So stay tuned. We'll be right back.

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[Dory Shafrier]

Okay, we have returned and as promised, we have a voicemail there. I. Let me just preface this by saying there's some like weird outside noises from this person's wherever this person was. So just keep that in mind as you're listening to it. Try not to get too distracted.

[Elise Hu]

Okay.

[Listener with Hair Loss Experience]

Hi, I was just listening to mini F457 and the caller who called in about asking about Dory's hair loss journey. So I just wanted to give sort of another side of the coin, a of the there is hope variety. So I have always had like very fine, very thin hair. But after I had my second daughter, she's seven now, the shedding was more intense than I had ever experienced before. And it didn't end up growing back the way that typically like postpartum hair loss usually grows back eventually. Mine never grew back. So I started doing, I mean I, I left no stone unturned and unfortunately, literally nothing worked. So I decided to go to wig and I did tons and tons of research and I ended up with being this, this wig maker that's like very, very great wig maker who does lace top wigs, which I swear to you, they are so amazing. Like you cannot tell at all. Like people who don't know that I'm wearing one when they see it, they wouldn't. When I tell them, when they find out, they're like, how is that even possible? So it was very like sort of scary and there was sort of like a morning process involved in all of this. But I've now been wearing wigs every day for the past probably three, three to four years. And it really has changed my life and my self esteem and absolutely everything. I have the hair of my dreams. I never have a bad hair day. So if all of the different medications and all of the doctors and if they don't work for you, there is another option. And I took that route and I am really, really, really, really happy with it. So if anyone lives in the New York area, I would be happy to pass along the wig maker name. She's unbelievable. And yeah, just so you know, like, no one talks about female hair loss ever, but it happens to a lot of people and it's going to be okay.

[Dory Shafrier]

Okay. I, I think this predates you, Elise. But for, there was like a period where I was very wig curious and I was like, should I get a wig? Maybe a wig is like the way to go. So I was Intrigued by this listener's voicemail.

[Elise Hu]

Because it seems like it's really on theme.

[Dory Shafrier]

Yeah.

[Elise Hu]

Too for the week because we also had E. Jean Carroll on, on Monday.

[Dory Shafrier]

Yes, that's right.

[Elise Hu]

Loves her wig. Her, her bob, which is now her signature look. Is a wig.

[Dory Shafrier]

Is a wig. Yes. And it's a great, it's a great look for her.

[Elise Hu]

It looks so chic. Yes.

[Dory Shafrier]

So you know, a good wig is, can be very expensive. Although then there's like also these wig influencers on Tick Tock who talk about getting these like cheap wigs from like tamu and they look good. I mean they're probably just doing like affiliate link farming, but maybe that's, maybe that's somewhere to start. Like I don't think from tamu, but like a cheaper wig just to like see if I like the vibe of a wig.

[Elise Hu]

Well, you know what else is very expensive? Neutrophil and all those products.

[Dory Shafrier]

That's true. But you know what is not expensive is prescription minoxidil.

[Elise Hu]

Yes.

[Dory Shafrier]

Very cheap.

[Elise Hu]

Yes, you've talked about that. Because insurance will pay for it.

[Listener with Hair Loss Experience]

Yes.

[Dory Shafrier]

It's like $3 a month or something. With my insurance. It's very, it's like insanely cheap.

[Elise Hu]

That's great.

[Dory Shafrier]

So, you know, I see a lot of people thinking they have to use these like very expensive medications or supplements and I'm like, well, or you could try this other thing that is very inexpensive. Okay. And now on to a totally different topic.

[Elise Hu]

All right.

[First Time Parent Caller]

Hi, Dory and Elise. I'm a first time parent of a seven month old and been back at work for about four months or so and I'm about to start traveling again. I don't have to travel very much for work, more like just a couple times per year. But I have some work trips coming up for two and three nights respectively just to other cities here in the US and my partner and my mom are going to handle the parenting while I'm gone. But just wondering if you have any tips about how to best care for myself during this time and deal with the worry and anxiety or guilt I'm feeling about getting on a plane for the first time without my baby and being so far away. I'm just thinking a lot about what if she gets sick while I'm gone? What if there's an accident? What if something happens to her and then I wasted my time that I could have spent with her or what if, or just simply like what if she forgets about me or misses me? And you know, I'm normally a very Independent person. But I'm still adjusting to parenthood, so would appreciate any thoughts you have about self care during this time.

[Dory Shafrier]

Thanks.

[First Time Parent Caller]

And just P.S. i'm already in therapy and on meds for anxiety around this, which or parenting and this whole experience over the last few months in general, which I highly recommend. But yeah, would love any other thoughts or recommendations you have. Thank you so much.

[Elise Hu]

This reminds me of the feeling that I had when I first went back to work after my firstborn. Because I went back, I want to say, I was with her nonstop for like two months or three months, however long I was home, and then went back to work and had a lot of those thoughts where I was like, oh my gosh, we're in such a good routine and how is she going to be without me? And I also kind of had this feeling that our bond was very strong and maybe this threatened our bond that I was going to be away and let me allay your concerns, listener, that your relationship with your baby will be long and that they will not forget you. They could not possibly forget you. And it's possible that she'll have an adjustment period while you're gone for a bit because she's so used to the routine and the sort of smell of you and the closeness with you and everything. But it's also great for her to form a tight bond and a relationship with the caretakers, the other caretakers in her village. You know, this is such a time for your partner and your other loved ones to step up and to like, deepen their bonds with the baby. So you can see it from that perspective. I. I very much wanted to be in one of my best friend from Texas's weddings right after Ava was born. And we're talking a week after Ava was born.

[Dory Shafrier]

Oh, my God.

[Elise Hu]

But I knew that the timing of it was, like, not gonna work out in case the baby came late or early or whatever. So probably really, if she came late. So I had to decline being in her wedding. But I. When ava was born the 22nd of September, and the wedding was still set for the 29th, I was like, I'm going to make it to this wedding. I'm going to the wedding. And so the first time I left Ava, she was only a week old. And I was like, no big deal. I'm just gonna go for one night, no problem. I'm gonna like, breastfeed her a lot for this one week so that I'll get my supply up in order to pump and everything. But I had no idea what I was in for and, like, what was going on with my body. And I made this huge mistake of doing that because I was, like, leaking on the plane nonstop because I had been breastfeeding nonstop for a week in order to.

[Dory Shafrier]

Oh, my God.

[Elise Hu]

In order to leave her. In order to have enough milk supply to leave her, because I needed to pump for two, essentially. And it was, like, this whole disaster. So I think seven months is a different story. So she'll be okay. I guess what we can offer is just encouragement a little bit to allay your anxieties and let you know that we've been there. I feel like those feelings are real. They're valid. And this is something that I thought to myself when I returned to work, which was that because my time was now going to be away from my baby, I really wanted to make that time count. So I wanted to kick ass at work because I was like, if I'm going to be away from Ava, then I better be a badass here and make the most of the time that I'm spending away from her. Um, and so that's one sort of framework you could use, which is, like, if you are going to be away and you don't really want to be away or you feel like you're not ready to be away, then try and make that time away as fulfilling for you or as generative or as useful or helpful to you as possible.

[Dory Shafrier]

I love that perspective. I agree with everything you said. I mean, I think the one thing that I will add is just from my own experience, when I went to a podcast conference when Henry was, like, three and a half months old and he was with my parents, and I, like, freaked out about something with the. Like, they were feeding him a mix of formula and breast milk. And I don't know, I freaked out about something that they were doing the formula, and, like, it was fine. And I think what I'm trying to say is, like, it will all be fine. It might not be exactly the way you would have done it, but it will be fine.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah.

[Dory Shafrier]

That is all.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah.

[Dory Shafrier]

And you got this. And enjoy your time.

[Elise Hu]

You have it. Absolutely.

[Dory Shafrier]

All right, we are going to take another short break, and when we get back, we have a voicemail about bronzer.

[Elise Hu]

Ooh. We don't get these very often.

[Dory Shafrier]

I know I'm in a voicemail just about some, like, health stuff. So we will be right back. You know, Elise, I have found that sometimes the most uncomfortable thing about a mattress is its price.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah. They are so expensive. Sometimes, like, when you go into the store and get sticker shock because it's.

[Dory Shafrier]

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[Elise Hu]

That's a high rating. That's probably the highest rating. Yes.

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[Dory Shafrier]

All right, we are back and here is that bronzer voicemail.

[Listener from Boulder]

Hi, I'm a first time OG listener calling from Boulder, Colorado. And to the listener whose husband used the Tom Ford gel bronzer, and it's no longer available. The Jones Road gel bronzer is excellent. I'm not sure the shade range might fit or not, but it's a really good product. And then to the listener who asked about alternative milk, the Trader Joe's Coconut Almond vanilla milk is really good for home coffee. And I even use it in my tea. And it's really delicious and very affordable. And it's a staple product. It's always available unless it's. It's gone viral or something and sold out. Because sometimes it seems to be sold out, but then they restock it immediately. Thank you. Bye.

[Elise Hu]

Okay, thank you for calling in.

[Dory Shafrier]

Yeah, I loved this voicemail also because we talked about that bronzer months ago.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah.

[Dory Shafrier]

And I just love that this listener is like, just catching up. Yeah. So thank you so much for your input. Love Jones Road. And we have one more voicemail.

[Listener from Boulder]

Hello, Dora and Elise and Kate, of course, calling mid episode365. Regarding Elise's mom's thumbs up to her benign tumor biopsy. A few years ago, my mom, who has since passed, was diagnosed with Parkinson's. We all had an idea something was wrong. However, she told all of us via email and the subject line just said Parkinson's. And then the body of the text, it said, I got it starting, you know, insert drug name here today. Bye. Love, Mom. And that is how she told all of us that she had a very serious, eventually life ending disease. So not just you, Elise, it's all of us. Big thumbs up and door. Hope Beau's tumor is benign as well. Or maybe it's just a fatty deposit. Love the pot. Thanks, ladies.

[Dory Shafrier]

Seems like it was just fatty deposits.

[Elise Hu]

But yes, yes, it was just fatty deposits. Thank God.

[Dory Shafrier]

This just made me laugh. I know it's like a very serious thing, but it was like, oh, wow. Oh, okay.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah, yeah. Rob's father also suffered from Parkinson's for many years and eventually it killed him. But Rob tells the story about, like, when he first got it and realized at one point they were like, eating lunch and his dad was like, wow, I'm real fucked up. You know, just like, hey, this is. Yeah, I mean, it's just a devastating, devastating illness, of course, but there's all these little steps along the way and stories that you remember because of your. Because your parents kind of handle things the way that they do. They're like, so classically your parents and your loved ones. So anyway, thank you for sharing that. And yes, thumbs up. Thumbs up.

[Dory Shafrier]

All right, Elise, this brings us to the end of our show. Thanks everyone for listening and we will talk to you all soon.

[Elise Hu]

And thanks for calling in. Keep them coming by Foreign.

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