Mini-Ep 459: No Shame In The Mom Jean Game

Summary

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Forever35 Mini-Ep 459: No Shame In The Mom Jean Game

Hosts: Doree Shafrir & Elise Hu
Date: September 3, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this lively and relatable mini-episode, Doree and Elise dive into community questions ranging from night cream recommendations and quitting coffee to the deeper joys of decluttering and gratitude practices. Highlighted by their signature humor and candid reflections on self-care, they focus on their current skincare experiments, share practical fashion tips (with a special spotlight on the great hunt for the perfect "mom jeans"), dish about the evolution of coworking spaces, and demystify laser hair removal. The episode is peppered with heartfelt listener “micro joys”—small wins that spark everyday happiness.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Personal Updates (01:25–06:56)

Oscar’s Ongoing Antics

• Elise shares a chaotic pre-recording moment involving her dog Oscar and a destroyed hairbrush (01:25).
  • “There's really never a dull moment in Oscar's life in the family.” —Elise (01:40)
  • She’s hopeful he didn’t swallow anything large, as he’s required surgery in the past.

Microneedling Aftermath

• Doree is recovering from a recent microneedling procedure:
  • Post-procedure, her skin feels “barely red, dry and a little bit tight.” She’s trying not to pick or touch her face, admitting how hard that is (02:34).
  • She used a gentle moisturizer and avoided sun exposure, sharing the experience hasn’t been as intense as anticipated.
  • Discussion moves to micro needling with PRP (“vampire facial”) and how deep the treatment must go for results, referencing Reddit forum debates (04:25–05:06).
  • Elise recalls “post-vampire facial looks like you just got hit by a car,” describing friends showing up to school in “a bucket hat and a giant face mask” (05:30).

Hair Growth Progress

• Doree reports positive results using Minoxidil for hair regrowth:
  • “I have been seeing like actual hair growth.” (06:21)
  • She stresses Minoxidil is a long-term commitment: “It’s not a quick fix… you have to be patient with.” (07:05)

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Requiem for Community Spaces & The Evolution of Coworking (07:29–13:08)

• Discussion about the demise of beloved coworking spots (Jane Club, The Wing) and the shift to digital/IRL hybrid models:
  • Doree shares her memories of Adam Neumann’s original “Greendesk” preceding WeWork’s fast expansion (09:10).
  • Elise observes, “Coworking is a tough model. Tough business model,” referencing the TV series about WeWork (08:49).

Emerging LA & NY Membership Spaces

• Both hosts describe new specialty coworking spaces in LA:
  • The Lighthouse (Venice, soon Brooklyn): For creators, audio recording, test kitchens, live events (10:25).
  • The Kin (Venice): Community focus, dinners called “Kinners,” live event theater access.
  • Fable or Fiber (Burbank): Includes wellness features—massage rooms, cold plunge, infrared sauna, and studio rentals (11:54).
  • Doree: “I feel like they all have like one gimmick… now these places are becoming a little more niche.” (12:07)
  • Chief: For female executives, but “not really my vibe… Chief seemed like the Wing’s sort of grown up.” (12:53)

Listener Call to Action:
Hosts invite listeners to share other community-focused spaces: “If y’all want to pitch in and call us and write us with any of these.” (13:03)

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Rapid-Fire Q&A: Jeans, Laser Hair Removal & More

The Great Mom Jean Search (18:00–22:46)

Listener question:
What's a good recommendation for mom jeans that don't really look like mom jeans, are soft and comfortable but sharp enough to look put together?

Host Recommendations:

• Doree:
  • Amazon barrel jeans: “Very stretchy… I have them in blue and black. The quality control isn’t always 100%, but I have been happy with both.” (18:40)
  • Quince jeans: “A couple pairs… some styles are quite stretchy, and you get free shipping!” (19:30)
• Elise:
  • Pistola Denim: “They have some ‘mom jeans’ that are a little stretchier and very comfy.” (19:42)
  • Gap Ultra/Super Soft Denim—bought after the Cat’s Eye Gap commercial:
    • “It is so soft, so soft. I feel like I’m in pajama pants in my wide leg, super soft Gap jeans…” (20:56)
  • Gap’s “ultra soft denim” is highlighted as a specific line to look for (21:19).
  • Sorority recruitment TikTok has a Pistola sponsorship tie-in; Elise reminisces about her own sorority rush (21:33–22:46).

Laser Hair Removal Demystified (22:46–27:59)

Listener question:
What’s laser hair removal really like (especially for bikini line and armpit), and how does the process work?

Host Experiences:

• Doree:
  • Did bikini line “a long time ago,” found it mildly painful but “not insane.”
  • “The best candidates are people with light skin and dark hair… you have to go a bunch of times, but no complaints once it was done.” (24:12)
• Elise:
  • Shares step-by-step:
    • “You need to be there and shaved… if this is bikini, you’re not clothed, your bottoms are off, and they give you like a little one of those paper undies if you want.” (25:27)
    • Describes numbing options: cooling wand vs. numbing cream (“I think in Korea they did like a numbing cream first…” 25:50).
    • Pain level: “I would put the pain at around like maybe a waxing down there… it’s not awful.” (26:48)
    • Follow-ups are essential for results.

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Listener “Micro Joys” & Community Moments (30:11–33:02)

Nun Pickleball (30:19)

• Alyssa from Minnesota calls in with a “micro joy”:
  • “Six nuns in full habits playing doubles in the pickleball league. Absolutely week. It just brought me a lot of joy.” (30:19–30:55)
• Elise: “I love anyone in full garb doing any sort of quotidian activity… it just brings me a lot of joy because it’s surprising.” (31:00)

Women Supporting Women in Life Transitions (31:31)

• A listener reflects on sending her youngest to basic training:
  • “I just wanted to remind all the women… if you have friends who are sending kids off to school… just pay attention to them because they need… some love right now.” (31:31)
• Elise: “You did your job as a parent—that’s amazing! And I know it must feel like such a transition.” (33:02)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On microneedling recovery:

  • “I'm supposed to not pick at it or peel it, which is very hard for me.” – Doree (02:45)
  • “You don't realize how much you just sort of like absentmindedly touch your face.” – Doree (03:02)

• On “Ultra Soft” Mom Jeans & TikTok culture:

  • “Gap Denim. I haven't really shopped Gap denim in a long time…and I got a pair of Gaps super soft denim. It is so soft, so soft. I feel like I'm in pajama pants…” – Elise (20:56)

• On gratefulness for community:

  • “Women supporting women is so beautiful and lovely… Just to pay attention to [other women] because they need a hug and they need some love right now.” – Listener voicemail (31:31)

• On career growth of coworking:

  • “Coworking is a tough model. Tough business model.” – Elise (08:49)
  • “Now these places are… becoming a little more niche, it seems like.” – Doree (11:54)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Oscar the Dog’s Drama – 01:25
• Microneedling Recovery – 02:34
• Minoxidil Hair Regrowth – 06:21
• Coworking Space Evolution/Jane Club/Wing – 07:29–13:08
• Listener on Paper Towel Replacements Fatigue – 13:08
• Mom Jeans & Comfy Denim – 18:00–22:46
• Laser Hair Removal Truths – 22:46–27:59
• Nun Pickleball Micro Joy – 30:19
• Women Supporting Women Voicemail – 31:31

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Episode Tone

Warm, self-aware, and genuine.
Doree and Elise balance laughter with thoughtful reflection, proof that even deep dives into fashion ruts, hair removal, and new life chapters can be laced with humor and community care.

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Transcript

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[A]

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[C]

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[D]

Hello, and welcome to Forever 35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves.

[B]

Ourselves.

[D]

I'm Dory Shafrier.

[B]

And I'm Elise Hu. And we're just two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.

[D]

And this is a mini episode where we hear from you, we share your comments and your thoughts, and we answer your questions to the best of our ability. But please remember, we are podcast hosts. We are not experts, and we do always encourage you to seek support first and foremost from a medical and or mental health professional as needed.

[B]

Yes. Yes.

[D]

Elise, do you want to talk about your. Your latest drama with good old Osce?

[B]

Oh, I mean, this is not going to surprise any of our longtime listeners or our listeners of the last, you know, six months, I was going to say.

[D]

Or our short time listeners.

[B]

Right, exactly. Because there's really never a dull moment in Oscar's life in the family. But, yeah, I was late to the taping because Oscar had somehow found one of our daughter's hairbrushes. And it's in, like, a million little plastic shards out on the back deck. And I got the big parts out of his mouth, but I don't know if there's little baby plastic shards that are now gonna cut up his stomach. Who knows? Who can say? But I. I am feeling hopeful because nothing large enough to, like, block his intestine got into his belly. And. And that is what has required surgery in the past. Yeah. Yeah, so there's that. Anyway, what's going on with you? All of us want to know how. How your post micro needling is now that it's been a few more days?

[D]

I would say I am, like, barely red.

[B]

You don't look red.

[D]

Yeah, my skin does feel, like, dry and a little bit tight.

[B]

Okay. Okay.

[D]

And I'm supposed to not pick at it or peel it, which is very hard for me.

[B]

Mm.

[D]

But I'm being good. I'm also really trying not to touch my Face, which is also really hard. Like, I don't.

[B]

It's hard for all. Yeah, yeah.

[D]

It's like you don't realize how much you just sort of like absentmindedly touch your face.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

So that is also a challenge.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Yesterday I, like, barely left the house because it was, you know, day one after the microneedling and I didn't want to be in the sun at all. And this morning I did venture out. I took both for a nice walk, but it was cloudy and I put on a big hat.

[B]

Okay, gotcha. Gotcha.

[D]

So I am curious to see what happens when I feel a little bit more healed. Like when my skin doesn't feel so tight and dry. I've been like. They gave me very, like, gentle moisturizer to put on and I've been putting that on and that does help. But yeah, I'm curious to see what the supposed full results are and I will keep everyone posted. But so far, I will say the aftermath has not been as intense as I was anticipating. I thought it was going to be sort of like a chemical peel vibe.

[B]

Oh, I've never done that.

[D]

Yeah, I've seen people after they got chemical peels and their faces are like, raw and red.

[B]

Also, vampire facial is not a good look. The post vampire facial looks like you just got hit by a car.

[D]

Now you can do. You can do micro needling with prp, which is like basically a vampire facial. Um, I did not do that. I just did like straight up micro needling. There's also. I. I've been. It's funny, as soon as I did micro needling, suddenly the micro needling subreddit showed up for me and there are people there that say, if you, like, don't go deep on the micro needling. Like, if you don't go deep enough that you're actually like drawing blood, then it doesn't do anything. Like, is that true? I don't know. I will report back. Yeah, Going so deep that it draws blood seems. Seems dangerous.

[B]

But yeah, because mine was pretty rough. But it was only for the first day, I want to say. And then the results showed up really quickly. Like, my. I. I don't feel like I looked better. Maybe a week or a week and a half out. So. But you know, again, it's been like four years, so who knows? I feel like there's always improvements in these things and different places do different things.

[D]

Totally.

[B]

Yeah. But you look good now. I mean, you don't look like you just went through a cosmetic procedure. My. My friend, my Friend Drew with his vampire facials. Every once in a while he shows up at school in like a bucket hat and a giant face mask because he does look like he just got hit by a car or something. His face is just like. It's a bright red. It looks like the worst sunburn that you would. Could have ever possibly gotten.

[D]

That's what, that's what I looked like right afterwards.

[B]

I felt like that was a quick process.

[D]

Yeah, I don't know. So we'll see. We'll see how that goes. And like I said, I will keep everyone posted. The other thing that I do just want to update everyone on, as. As we're on the topic of, you know, treatments, is I have been seeing, like, actual hair growth.

[B]

Oh, good.

[D]

Like, it's really like trying to see if you can see it. So, like, do you see this, this like, strand of hair that I just pulled out?

[B]

Yes. Huh.

[D]

So I think now this is like actual new hair growth because it's like the length of hair that would have started, you know, when I started doing the Monopoly. And that's.

[B]

Exactly. And Dory's describing kind of the front part of her head. So exactly where baby hairs always show up. So that. That would make sense. Yeah.

[D]

And I'm seeing some also, like, along my part. So this is exciting for me.

[B]

Yeah, that's great. So the Minoxidil works the $3.

[D]

The $3 a month.

[B]

The $3 per unit. Yes.

[D]

Minoxidil, as I've mentioned before, I think it's not like a quick fix. Like, it does take months to see the regrowth. So it's something that I, I'm. I'm seeing now that, like, you have to be patient with.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Um, but yeah, endorse. Yeah, I'll put it that way.

[B]

I want to mention before we get into the voicemails and emails that we had a question just in the general chat in the Patreon about the Jane Club, which I've been meaning to ask you about. Were you ever a member of the Jane Club?

[D]

I was a member of the Jane Club.

[B]

Okay. Yeah. Because so our Patreon supporter wants to know if there's anything that's similar to the Jane Club, because the Jane Club, which was a co working space for women, also had events and built community and all of those things. It went away. Is that right? Did it go away during COVID So it went online.

[D]

They then became a digital co working space. And so they would have like, work sprints and all sorts of events, but all online and then they would occasionally do. Do some IRL stuff. But I'm looking at their Instagram and they haven't posted anything in like a year and a half. So I'm assuming that it probably is just totally gone.

[B]

Well, I, I watched that scripted series based on Adam Newman or whatever his Name is from WeWork and it does seem like co working is a tough model. Tough business model. So based on that Apple TV series that I watched for work.

[D]

You know.

[B]

I, I don't know how it. I guess it's sustained by memberships, but then there's also lots of costs of running the campuses.

[D]

Yeah. But I mean, I think we work in particular expanded way too fast. I was actually a member of Adam Newman's original coworking space in Brooklyn which was called Greendesk.

[B]

And oh yes, I remember when it was Green Desk.

[D]

Yeah, like I really put together that, that, that became We Work for. I was like, wait, Green Desk became We Work Because I joined it. I'd been laid off and I joined it because I was freelancing and like three friends and I shared like a little office. Cool. And I would go in, I would go in like a few times a week. It was in Dumbo, it was like not far from my apartment and it was like lovely. And then I think he just got this vision of like, I will build thousands of these. But think that the concept of coworking is not a bad one. I think it's just been like mishandled. I mean, I miss the wing. I was also a member of the wing and I love the wing. Yeah, the wing has been gone for a while too. It. So you know, and it had its problems.

[B]

So that's the question for the crowd. If you know of other places that are similar to Jane Club or wing. And I don't know where this listener is based. I do know that there's a bunch of communities coming up actually around me.

[E]

Here on the west side of LA.

[B]

That are popular and I actually spent a week recording in one of them recently. There's one in Venice called the Lighthouse, which I'm really into. And it's for creators, so they have tons of audio recording booths.

[D]

Oh, that's really cool.

[B]

Pre built sets with cameras. They have a test kitchen with cameras up in the seat ceiling. They have a technical crew that'll get you set up. If you just need to do a Riverside recording like you and I, there's rooms for that. There's edit bays, there's. You can bring dogs, you can bring up to three Guests every time. It's a very cool campus. There's also one in Venice that's similar but smaller, called the Kin. And it's less for audio video professionals and it's more for just co working. So if you have more of a job that you just want to have like a great community to get to, they do dinners called Kinners. What's awesome for us, if I actually do buy into their pitch and get a membership for this one, is there's a theater that we could use For Live Forever 35 tapings if we want to do it.

[D]

Oh, that's cool.

[B]

So I'm thinking about it. I'm sort of like, maybe we could get enough out of this where it would be good to become a member. But that's a. That's in LA and New York. So Lighthouse is also opening in Greenpoint, Brooklyn. So there's going to be two campuses. You can go back and forth. There's also Soho Houses. That's still like, that's not over.

[D]

I was also happening house member. I've been a member of a lot.

[B]

Of co working type.

[D]

Yeah. Membership places. There's also one that a few people I know are members of in Burbank, in the Valley called Fable or Fiber. That is. That also has like a wellness element. Like, I feel like they all have like one gimmick. They have studio rentals. So they have podcast studios and you can rent, like their photography studio, but then they also have like a room that you can get a massage in. I think they have like a cold plunge and an infrared sauna. So they also have this other element to it. So, like, I think. Yeah, I think now these places are. They're becoming a little more niche, it seems like. I did some work with a friend who was a member of Chief, which is for like the female executives. Yeah. Because she was a member and that was also, like, nice, but also not like, really my vibe. Chief seemed like the wings sort of like grown up. Do you know what I mean?

[B]

Yep, yep. Yeah. So if y' all want to pitch in and call us and write us with any of these.

[D]

Yes, please do. But, you know, don't do too many of them because we did get a text that said, I love you guys so much. And I say this as gently as I can, but the paper towel replacements have taken up so much space on the mini apps lately. Like, so much time. I hope that next week we've moved past it. I think that there's been enough options shared again, I love you and appreciate all you do.

[B]

We always say the callers really make this show. It's true. It's time to move on, says this caller, this texter.

[D]

And it does seem like we have moved on. We did not get any more recommendations this week for dish towels or paper towel replacements, so. Okay, well, before we take a break, just a reminder, you can call or text us at 781-591-0390. Our email address is forever35podcastmail.com you can also email us voice memos. You can Visit our website Forever 35 podcast comics. We have links there to everything we mentioned on the show. Follow us on Instagram @forever35podcast. We also have a newsletter at forever35podcast.com newsletter and you can shop our favorite products at Shopmy US Forever35 and after the break we have a question about jeans and a question about laser hair removal. So stay tuned. We'll be right back. Have you ever been shopping online? Arguably the easiest form of shopping, and yet the barrier between you buying the thing and not buying the thing was the fact that your card was in another room and you couldn't be bothered to go get it. I am definitely guilty of that. But you might have seen a purple button at checkout with the word shop sticking out amongst all the other payment options. That's Shopify's shop pay. And there's a reason so many businesses sell with it. Shopify doesn't just make the buying experience better for customers, they're also the experts in helping small businesses grow big and complete sales. Shopify is the commerce platform behind 10% of all e commerce in the US from household names like Mattel and Gymshark to brands just getting started. Tackle all the important tasks in one place, from inventory to payments to analytics and more. With 99.99% uptime and the best converting checkout on the planet, you'll never miss a sale again. Only with Shopify. Stop seeing carts going abandoned and turn those sales into sales. Sign up for your $1 per month trial and start selling today at shopify.comfore35 go to shopify.comfore35 shopify.comfore35 the thing I.

[E]

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[B]

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[E]

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[D]

All right, we are back and I also just want to put in a plug for Rachel Goodwin. Questions. She is coming back on the show very soon and if you have questions for our in house celebrity makeup artist, please send them in.

[B]

Rachel Goodwin has been all over the world lately. I think she's going to join us maybe from Paris or something, but she was with Alanis when Alanis did her big. Is it Glastonbury? She's been all over with Emma Stone as per usual, getting all sorts of accolades for creating those looks. Yeah. So she's been busy and I cannot wait to catch up with her and hear about the latest in product innovation and what she's into. So don't forget to send in questions for us and for Rachel Goodwin at all the places that Dori mentioned before the break. 781-591-0390 and Forever 35 podcastmail.com all right.

[D]

Elise, do you want to take this first question?

[E]

All right, our listener asks, does anybody.

[B]

Have a good recommendation for mom jeans that don't look like mom jeans? I'm realizing that my Banana Republic jeans that used to fit before my son was born will never fit again. I would love a pair that feel like soft pants but still look like sharp jeans to wear to places where I want to look a bit put together. I'm with you on wanting to feel like I'm in soft pants all day. That's part of my uniform. That's a tricky one though. You know, jeans fit so differently on different people.

[E]

Door.

[B]

Where does your mind go when you saw this question?

[D]

Well, I am just gonna, you know, I know people have have different views on Shopping on Amazon. But I did get a great pair of barrel jeans from Amazon that are very stretchy, which I think might fit in with this listener's request. So we will link to those. I have them in two colors. I have them in blue and black. The blue are shorter than the black. I do feel like sometimes this is like one of pitfalls to shopping on Amazon is like, the quality control is not always 100% there. But I have been happy with both of those. Also, our advertiser, Quince has some good jeans. I've. I have a couple pairs of their jeans and they do have some styles that are quite stretchy.

[B]

Okay.

[D]

So you could look into those and you can go to quints.com forever35 and you get free shipping, so that's pretty fun. Um, Elise, do you have any other recommendations?

[B]

Yeah, I love pistola denim and I love the Pistola flight suits. Somebody on Patreon was asking like, hey, Eugene, Carroll didn't mention where she gets her flight suits. I get mine at pistola. I also love pistola denim. You know, it's sold at all the Nordstrom stores. You can buy them straight from the brand. And yeah, I have some quote unquote mom jeans that are a little stretchier and maybe not so hip hop, but very comfy from them. And then I also, because I am a sheeple and marketing works on me. After the Cat's Eye Gap commercial came out, the viral Cat's eye ad. Not only did my middle daughter Issa learn the cat's eye dance from that Gap denim ad, I was also like, Gap Denim. I haven't really shopped Gap denim in a long time. And I got a pair of Gaps super soft denim. They have jeans called like ultra soft or super soft. It is so soft, so soft. I feel like I'm in pajama pants in my wide leg. Super soft Gap jeans that were completely successfully marketed to me because.

[D]

Wow. Okay.

[B]

Their Sydney Sweeney response commercial featuring the girls group Cat's Eye. So incredible dance, funny choreography, great timing of that ad. I know it was already in the works before the Sydney Sweeney American Eagle thing, but it came out right on time. And then it sold me jeans that I love. Super soft or ultra soft denim?

[D]

I don't know. It looks like they have. They have a thing called ultra soft denim.

[B]

Okay. Okay.

[E]

So I'll find the pair that I.

[B]

Have and whatever the item is, and I'll make sure that Sammy includes it in our show notes.

[D]

Okay. This is exciting. Also, I've been getting a lot of Like Rush talk videos on my. On my TikTok for you page. And Pistola is a big sponsor of sororities. There have been several sorority, like, recruitment videos that are also sponsored by Pistola. They're all in Pistol.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. I. Oh, my God. I gotta tell you, I was absolutely aghast because I don't get a lot of Rush talk, but I participated in rush and I got. It's so funny because I follow Taylor Lorenz's Meme Instagram, like, where she has an Instagram account of just memes, right? And, like, popular tweets and things. And the front carousel item on one of her recent Meme post or Meme account postings was the front of my old sorority house, like, the one I actually lived in. And I was like, wait, that looks familiar. Oh, my God, it's the PI Phi house at the University of Missouri. And I lived there.

[D]

I was like, what are they doing?

[B]

My brain went straight to Taylor Swift in that line about like, oh, you wouldn't be of the asylum I came up in because it was actually getting parodied. Right?

[D]

Totally.

[B]

On this Instagram that I saw.

[D]

Totally. Okay, next question. Oh, and I should say also, if you have suggestions, obviously, please send them in. Okay. And this is a text. Okay. For both hosts. I'm laser hair removal curious, but I'm a little intimidated by the process. Since it sounds like you've both opted for laser hair removal, could you explain what to expect? I'm particularly interested in bikini line hair removal, but also curious about armpit hair removal. Thanks. Side note, I somehow got on the contact list from hell by clicking on a 75% off deal for hair removal. I've been thinking about it since it was first mentioned on the podcast a few weeks ago. So now someone is calling or texting me daily asking if I'm interested in learning. More aggressive, I know, but also, it keeps me thinking about laser hair removal. So maybe this market, this hell marketing is working, but I'm too shy to ask them my questions, and I'd prefer to get the expert opinions of my favorite lady podcast hosts. Anyway, so tell it true. What's it like? Wait, before we get to the laser hair removal, I also have recently had an experience where I, like, signed up for, like, I was interested in Stretch Lab. Do you know this?

[B]

Yeah, we talked about Stretch Lab on the show. Yeah.

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And I was like, oh, maybe I'll check it out. But the only way you can, like, get pricing is by giving them your information. They have been harassing Me harassing, me calling, texting, like, I. I'm like, dudes, it's giving desperate, like what the hell? So if you or anyone you know is affiliated with stretch lab, tell them to cool it now. Hair removal, go for it. Yeah, I did bikini line a long time ago. So I don't know if laser hair technology has changed since then. I found it mildly painful, not like insane, but it's not like pain free. You like the best candidates are people with light skin and dark hair. If you have blonde hair, I think it is harder. I also think if you have dark skin, it is harder. Again, I don't know what the laser technology has evolved, how it has evolved in the last 10 to 15 years, but my understanding is not a ton. I think they have developed some lasers that make it easier. But it's not perfect. But yeah, you have to. And you have to go a bunch of times. I think I went five or six times and. But no complaints. Like once it was done.

[B]

If you're asking about the process, basically you need to be there and shaved. So they don't want you waxed because they can't get to the follicle as well. So you need to be there, you need to be shaved. They put you in like little. If this is bikini, so it's like you're not clothed, your bottoms are off and they give you like a little one of those paper undies if you want. You don't really need them. Depending on what all you want removed. If you want them to be like really liberal in their hair removal. You probably wouldn't get those little paper undies, but you'd have to remove them anyway. Now that I think about it. But anyway, there's like a cooling. I think they try and numb you first. So I'm trying to remember if it was like cool air or something or numbing cream. Because I've done. I've done it both ways. I think in Korea they did like a numbing cream first to numb the area. Just because if it's bikini line, it can be very sensitive. Obviously it's gonna be way more sensitive than your armpits, for example, or just your forearm or something like that. But they'll numb you or try to numb you locally and only locally. I tried it at Laser Away or one of those chain type places and I. From what I recall there is like a cool. A wand that kind of cools you first. Do you remember this story? I'm. It's this.

[D]

I think that this is a, an innovation that happened After I did laser hair removal, I do not remember any sort of numbing.

[B]

Okay, so they try and numb you a little bit first. Yeah. If I recall, or at the exact same time. And then the laser itself is basically. It's not, it's not like they're shooting red lasers or anything at you. It's just a wand, you know, like a smooth wand. And then there's like a. That's connected by a cord to a large air filter looking machine. Essentially. That's. I'm looking at my air filter. I'm like, it kind of looks like my air filter. And then you'll hear kind of a clicking as it's, as, it's as they're wanding you and they just wand you in the areas where you don't want hair anymore. And again, like Dory said, it doesn't work completely the first time and you have to go back numerous times. But it is mildly painful. I would put it, I would put the pain at, around like maybe a waxing down there. You know, it's not like more. It's not awful. It's not awful. The only part that really hurts is if you want to get really close to your lips, you know, because you're just more sensitive there. But yeah, hopefully that answers your question. And if you have more and more specific questions, you can jump in on the Patreon chat or call back in.

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All right, and we are going to take another short break and we will be right back. We have a couple of micro joys also, just a reminder that if you want to listen to our podcast without ads, you can do [e-mail] Forever35. At the $10 level, we offer ad free episodes. So if you're sick of fast forwarding through ads, just head on over to Patreon. All right, we'll be right back.

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Okay, we're back and we have a couple voicemails that I wanted to share. First one really made me chuckle.

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Hey Dorian, Elise, it's Alyssa in Minnesota. I don't know if we're still reporting micro joys or if this even really counts, but I didn't know where else or who else to tell this to. I'm on my evening walk. It's a beautiful first night. I just passed the rec center where the pickleball leagues play and tonight there were six nuns in full habits playing doubles in the pickleball league. Absolutely week. It just brought me a lot of joy. I don't really know why. It just brought a smile to my face and I wanted to share. Happy micro joy hunting. Love the pod. Bye.

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I love that I love anyone in full garb doing any sort of quotidian activity. Yes, like you could be in like a bear suit or something or some mascot costume and just doing something normal, riding a bike. And I love it. It just brings me a lot of joy because it's surprising totally what makes us human but perspective and surprise. Right? So I love it.

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The truth. Okay. And next voicemail is in a similar vein, not about nuns, but just sort of like joys.

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Hi there. I just had a thought. My youngest just went off to basic training for the army and it's so strange to be in a quiet house. But I wanted to acknowledge how women supporting women is so beautiful and lovely that I have so many friends that have reached out and some family that have reached out and just had kind words and hugs and just acknowledge this moment of me sending my youngest into the world. And I had three kids and I had babies young and it's so strange to just be in this quiet house now. But they have really lifted me up. And I just wanted to remind all the women to reach out to others at this time. If you have friends who are sending kids off to school, whether that's their first or their last or their, their fifth, just, just to pay attention to them because they need, they need a hug and they need some love right now. And thanks for providing this space for all of us.

[B]

Bye. Well, we want to send our love to you too. Yeah, you've launched everyone. You've launched everyone. Congratulations. You did your job as a parent. That's amazing. And I know it must feel like such a transition. I can't even imagine what it's going to be like when my sass house, when my chaos house is empty of children or offspring in general. Yeah, we're here for you too, as Forever 35 hosts and the community. So thank you for that important reminder and congratulations on this big life transition. It's a big deal.

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Yeah, congrats. All right, thanks everyone. We'll talk to you soon.

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We will talk to you next time. Time.

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Okay, bye.

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