Mini-Ep 460: The New Mom Jeans

Summary

Forever35 Mini-Ep 460: The New Mom Jeans

Hosts: Doree Shafrir & Elise Hu
Date: September 10, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this lively and relatable mini-episode, Doree and Elise dive into listener questions and share their own experiences on topics including finding joy through decluttering, navigating work transitions, practical skincare (like night creams, microneedling, and laser hair removal), and the surprising quest for the perfect "mom jeans." The duo brings their signature blend of warmth, humor, and self-awareness as they crowdsource advice from their engaged community and unpack what it really means to care for ourselves as we get older – and, hopefully, wiser.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Dish Towels, Dish Rags, and the Joy of Listener Recommendations

• The episode opens with playful banter about their recent deep-dive into dish towel discourse, reflecting the quirky interests of the Forever35 community.
• Elise: “I always love discovering what our community is going to be interested in… Dish rags or just rags generally really led to a bounty. A bounty of calls.” (01:42)
• Elise gushes about the Geometry towel brand, noting lasting impact from listener suggestions and even admits to using their own podcast discount code.

2. Decluttering as Self-Care & the Role of AI

• Doree shares her and partner Matt's realization that home clutter is holding them back, both mentally and physically.
  • She turns to ChatGPT for structuring a decluttering and organizing plan – and even for professional organization advice:
  • “I have asked it for some help. It gave me a plan. It also gave me a plan to get my professional life together. So I'm really just leaning on it for helping me get my shit together.” (04:28)
• Elise raises environmental concerns about using generative AI and compares it (humorously) to the footprint of eating beef, landing on meatless living as her “offset.”
  • “My offset is I don't eat meat… I feel good now.” (05:07)

3. Nurturing Friendships & Work Networking

• Doree recounts seeking both emotional support and professional advice from a longtime friend, culminating in a heartwarming reminder about maintaining connections:
  • “She was like, text me anytime. If you're out for a walk and you just want to chat… I think I need that reminder.” (07:00)
• The hosts play a voicemail from Shauna, a speech pathologist moving from hospital to school work, seeking self-care advice for her new professional setting.
  • Shauna: “I was just hoping to crowdsource some self-care and any tips or tricks from my fellow school-based human beings...” (07:48)

4. Community Sourcing: Advice for School-Based Professionals

• The hosts invite the Forever35 community – especially educators – to share advice with Shauna, emphasizing connection and communal wisdom.
  • “All right folks, you heard the question from Shauna. How can she best take care of herself while working in a school setting for the first time…” – Elise (09:20)
• Call to action: Listeners encouraged to call, email, or text their thoughts.

5. The State of Coworking Spaces

• Updates on the coworking landscape with listener tips about Denver’s TARRA (praised for its “most flattering lighting”) and recent news about notable spaces closing or changing ownership.
  • “Lighting is a good selling point… an oft overlooked detail.” – Elise (13:17)

6. Skincare: Microneedling & Laser Hair Removal

• Microneedling:
  • Listener Amy reminds that a series is recommended for optimal results (not one and done).
  • Doree shares candidly about her own experience and compares it to laser treatments: “Lasers was also challenging because they’re specifically zapping off like hyperpigmentation... you’re walking around with these very dark, freckly looking things.” (16:36)
• Laser Hair Removal:
  • Multiple listeners provide enthusiastic encouragement and practical advice – from choosing salons to managing discomfort.
  • Notable caller, Jessica: Offers detailed tips:
    • Use lidocaine cream for numbing.
    • Cooling air helps with pain.
    • Best for those with dark hair and skin.
    • Seek coupons for multi-session packages.
    • “Once I did the first, I want to say six sessions, then I’ve only been back twice a year since.” (19:36)
  • Both hosts and listeners agree: the pain is “more surprising than painful” and much less intense than waxing.

7. The Quest for the Perfect “Mom Jeans”

• Segment sparked by a listener asking for jeans recommendations that are comfortable and stylish – ideally for "mom bods."
• Listener Tips:
  • Cut From The Kloth 'Meg' Wide Leg Jeans:
    • “They are stretchy but not too stretchy, soft but not floppy. I get compliments literally every time I wear them.” (23:03)
    • Suggests sizing down; notes they're regularly on sale and available at Nordstrom and Nordstrom Rack.
  • Uniqlo Drapey Wide Flare Jeans:
    • “They're comfortable, flattering, and the fabric is so soft… Sizing by waist and length makes it easy to find a fit.” (25:04)
  • Universal Standard Denim:
    • Listener praises the Donna High Rise Curve Straight Leg: “I used to think people that wore jeans all the time were like sociopaths… but I wore jeans every single day this summer and swear they like became one with my body.” (26:54)
• Doree: “I feel like the jeans might become the new dish rags. I'm just going to put that out there.” (28:40)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Elise on the unpredictable interests of their community:

  • “We always love discovering what our community is going to be interested in and what gets y'all to call in. Dish rags… led to a bounty of calls.” (01:42)

• Doree on self-awareness and leaning on technology:

  • “I'm really just… leaning on [AI] for helping me get my shit together.” (04:28)

• Shauna (Caller):

  • “You know, I didn't win Powerball last night, so I do have to actually do my job…” (08:30)

• Listener on laser hair removal:

  • “If you have ever been waxed in the bikini area, you will sail through the laser process… Compared to the pain of a Brazilian wax, this felt like getting a handshake.” (18:22)

• Listener on Universal Standard Jeans:

  • “I used to think people that wore jeans all the time were like sociopaths… But I wore jeans every single day this summer and I swear they like became one with my body.” (26:54)

• Doree on recurring themes:

  • “I feel like the jeans might become the new dish rags.” (28:40)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |-----------|---------| | 01:12 | Show start & dish towel banter | | 03:27 | Doree’s decluttering journey (+AI help) | | 05:07 | Environmental offsets: AI vs. eating meat | | 07:48 | Voicemail: Shauna seeks school-based self-care tips | | 12:26 | Community emails: Coworking spaces after The Wing/Jane Club | | 14:22 | Microneedling: series recommended, aftercare realities | | 17:53 | Listener tips: Laser hair removal pros and best practices | | 19:36 | Jessica from Texas: Detailed hair removal advice | | 23:03 | Jeans recommendations: Cut From The Kloth ‘Meg’ | | 25:04 | Uniqlo’s wide flare jeans endorsed | | 26:54 | Listener: Universal Standard gets high praise | | 28:40 | Hosts predict jeans will become the next “hot topic” |

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Summary

This Forever35 mini-episode is packed with trusted advice, product recommendations, and the warm, witty rapport that keeps listeners coming back. Whether you’re seeking a skin upgrade, a wardrobe refresh, or just want to feel a little less alone in the joyful chaos of adulting, Doree and Elise (and their community) deliver real talk with heart and humor. The highlights: honesty about self-care pitfalls, the value of crowdsourcing wisdom, and jeans that you might just love enough to never take off.

Transcript

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[Dory Shafrir]

Hello and welcome to Forever 35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I'm Dory Shafrier.

[Elise Hu]

And I'm Elise Hu and we're just two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.

[Dory Shafrir]

And this is a mini episode where we hear from you, we share your comments and your thoughts, and we answer your questions to the best of our ability. But please do remember we are podcast hosts. We are not experts. We do always encourage you to seek support first and foremost from a medical and or mental health professional as needed.

[Elise Hu]

And just a teaser, we don't have any dish towel or rag content today. I think that phase has passed though. We got a lot of helpful suggestions and I always love discovering what our community is going to be interested in and what like gets y' all to call in. And dish rags or just rags generally really led to a bounty. A bounty of calls.

[Dory Shafrir]

It honestly did and I have not actually purchased any, but I feel like that day will come soon.

[Elise Hu]

Last summer when it was more dish towel focused, I got super sold on the geometry dish towels that some of the callers recommended. And now my house is full of these geometry towels. And I've even purchased and used our own geometry code.

[Dory Shafrir]

Oh my God.

[Elise Hu]

I think we still have a geometry code that's available if you want to get into these dish towels. But I chose the ones with the little lemons on them and then so cute. They've really brightened up my kitchen. And then I like the ones that are kind of checked. They have checked ones in various colors. Geometry still is offering 15% off, which I have personally taken advantage of by using the code forever15. So just forever15 for 15% off. These badass dish towels and. Or kitchen towels. And just as I was teasing that we weren't going to have this content, I've just gone on a riff about it, so stop.

[Dory Shafrir]

I was just going to say, Elise, I'm done. We're doing the thing. We're doing the thing we said we wouldn't do. Yep, totally.

[Elise Hu]

Whoops. Anyway, what else is happening? What. What's going on in your week?

[Dory Shafrir]

I am trying to get my life together.

[Elise Hu]

Ah, yes. I feel that. I feel that. Wait, there was a time. And maybe we need to close the loop on this. There was a time when you and Matt were working on this together, right? Like, hey, we're gonna have some planning.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yes. So, yeah, I would say Matt and I are on the same page. We. We came to the realization, and this is a realization we've had before, but I think now we both really feel it, that, like, the clutter in our home is sort of, like, holding us back mentally and, like, literally. So, you know, I know people have very mixed feelings about our friend chatgpt, but I did find some good prompts for asking Chat GBT to help with a decluttering and organizing plan. Oh, cool.

[Elise Hu]

Cool.

[Dory Shafrir]

And so I have asked it for some help. It gave me a plan. It also just gave. It also gave me a plan to, like, get my professional life together. So I'm really just, you know, leaning on it for helping me get my shit together.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah, Yeah, I. I looked up. So I've been very concerned about melting icebergs with Chat GPT searches. And then I saw this chart that showed how much water is used when you use Chat GPT versus eating a hamburger and still beef. And just eating beef is way worse for the. I don't eat beef.

[Dory Shafrir]

So I feel like I'm offsetting. Right, that's your offset. Yeah, my offset is I don't eat meat. So that's your. You know, I feel good now.

[Shauna (Caller)]

You got. Yeah, exactly.

[Elise Hu]

You got yourself plenty of searches out of that.

[Dory Shafrir]

Exactly.

[Elise Hu]

Whereas every time I go to Shake Shack, oh, boy. I'm like, right, You've lost, like, five searches. Exactly. I'm forfeiting my right to search for a couple of years. I mean, it's. That out of. I mean, that the. The. The chart that I looked at was really wildly out of proportion in terms of, like, how much beef costs us.

[Dory Shafrir]

Oh, wow.

[Elise Hu]

In terms of water and resource use versus these data centers. Not that data centers taking over all of the.

[Dory Shafrir]

No, I mean, it's all bad.

[Elise Hu]

Unused land on Earth.

[Dory Shafrir]

It's all bad. It's all bad. Yeah. But I feel very strongly that I need to sort of like, I need a reset, and it needs to start with clearing out my home and having my home be a more sort of harmonious place. And I'm also sort of like, coming up with ways to maybe get a job, maybe get more work, like, really reaching out to my contacts. I had a call with a. With a friend today who has. I've known her for a long time, and she's always super helpful just to, like, bounce ideas off of, you know, I had reached out saying, like, I would love your advice. I also want to, like, I did legit want to catch up. And we did spend the first, like, half of our conversation just catching up because our kids are also almost exactly the same age. They're like three weeks apart.

[Elise Hu]

Okay.

[Dory Shafrir]

And they also, like, lead. They lead parallel lives. Like, they're very similar. And it's just. It's interesting to just hear about that anyway.

[Shauna (Caller)]

Yeah.

[Dory Shafrir]

And then I was like, at the end of the call, I was like, can, like, I don't want to, you know, feel like I. I had. I need an excuse to just chat with you. I love chatting with you. And she was like, text me anytime. If you're, like, out for a walk and you just want to chat, like, just text me and we'll chat. And I think I, like, need that reminder, you know?

[Elise Hu]

So, yeah, I love it when that happens. And it sounds like, it sounds like in addition to catching up, you also can get some advice and counsel.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yes. And she had some great ideas of some people I could reach out to who I know, but do you know what I mean? And she was like, yeah. She was like, oh, you know this person. Why don't you ask her about, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, oh, that's such a good idea. You know, we actually have a sort of work related question. Voicemail that I want to play before we take a quick break.

[Elise Hu]

Okay.

[Shauna (Caller)]

Hi, Dori and Elise, this is Shauna. I am actually heading back to my home in Massachusetts from the Cape. For those of us who are not in New England, that's Cape Cod. We spend a week every summer in Provincetown, Massachusetts, which is my happy place. And when I get back, I will be starting a new job. I'm a speech language pathologist or speech therapist. And I am transitioning from working in a hospital to working in a school. And I made the leap, but kind of impulsively, but at the same time, I knew I needed a change. And I Was just hoping to crowdsource some self care and any tips or tricks from my fellow school based human beings who, you know, just have some knowledge that I might not know. I can, I know I can do the job, but it's my first time working in a school as a speech pathologist. I've worked in outpatient clinics but never in this setting. So I'm a little nervous, but I'm feeling good. You know, I didn't win Powerball last night, so I do have to actually do my job. And yeah, I was just. This community is so great and I love listening to it and I thought this would be a great place to ask the question. I hope you guys are well and yeah, I look forward to hearing your response. Thanks. Love the pod. Love you both. Bye.

[Elise Hu]

All right, folks, you heard the question from Shauna. How can she best take care of herself while working in a school setting for the first time, teachers out there, other educators, administrators.

[Dory Shafrir]

Challenge accepted. Yep.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah.

[Dory Shafrir]

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[Elise Hu]

Oh, it's a real grab bag.

[Dory Shafrir]

It's a real grab bag, Elise. So stay tuned and we will be right back.

[Elise Hu]

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[Dory Shafrir]

Okay, we are back. Last week we were talking about how with the demise of the Wing and the Jane Club and other co working spaces of that ilk, there hadn't been really been something that seemed to like fill the void. Like things seemed either like super techie, homegrown or very niche. Like Chief, for example is great but it's for like executive women which is a narrow demographic. So a listener did write in and say Tara T A R R A is Denver's answer to Jane Club Slash the wing. They offer co working private offices and events and the most flattering lighting I've ever encountered.

[Elise Hu]

Oh, that's a good selling point.

[Dory Shafrir]

That's a really good selling point. I feel like an oft overlooked detail.

[Elise Hu]

Yes. Yes.

[Dory Shafrir]

Also yesterday the news came out that Noya House, which is was a co working and event space in LA and New York is closing. They're going bankrupt.

[Shauna (Caller)]

Hmm. Yeah.

[Elise Hu]

It must not be a great business or investors really got in on it. VCs must must have really bought in on this idea and then now aren't seeing the returns 10 or 15 or 20 years later. Yeah, something because Soho House is also changing ownership or I see business headlines.

[Dory Shafrir]

They're going private. They went public and now they're being taken private.

[Elise Hu]

Okay. Yeah, yeah. So I, I, I mean, I don't know. I, I'm not a finance person, but it sounds like the people who kick the tires around on this aren't really liking the business model as much as they were once into it. Interesting. Okay, well, thanks for that suggestion for Denver.

[Dory Shafrir]

Okay. Amy from Canada wrote in to say I was listening to a recent episode where Dory was talking about her post microneedling experience. I didn't hear any discussion about the fact that a series of three microneedling at least a month apart are recommended to achieve good results. I did this last fall, October to December, and can attest that I got results. My discoloration, sun damage, et cetera, definitely faded. My esthetician took before and after pictures prior to each treatment and shared them with me. I was told to repeat the series of treatments yearly. So not one and done. I found the after treatment SL experience quite challenging. The dryness and tightness of my face was very unpleasant. I thought I mentioned that they recommend that you get a series and that I was going to see how my first one went before I decided to commit to a series. I thought I mentioned that. Maybe I just like mentioned it in my head or maybe I mentioned it like in a casual chat. Anyway, yes, Amy is correct. Generally they do recommend a series of treatments. I am finally out. I think I'm like getting out of the phase where my skin is either or both very tight and itchy or flaking. I'm about a week and I'm like nine days out. Today's Thursday and I got it done last Tuesday. It definitely is not like amazing right after. I didn't find it like, I don't know, I didn't find it like crazy. But I've also had some like, I've had lasers done and I actually, I don't know. Lasers was also challenging because they're specifically zapping off like hyperpigmentation. And what happens is the spots get super dark before they fall off. So for a while you're walking around with like these very dark, like sort of freckly looking things. Like you really look a little crazy. So like appearance wise, I felt like the micro needling was less intense. I got super red right after and then it faded almost immediately.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah.

[Dory Shafrir]

So yeah, and I was, I was pretty careful about staying out of the sun that first week. Of course now I'm back to my sun filled ways. I played, I played tennis. I practiced tennis last night. And you know, when I practice at night, I wear, like, regular tennis clothes. Like, I wear a skirt and a. And a shirt, like a short sleeve shirt. But when I play during the day, I'm like, fully covered in, like, what I call my. My beekeeper.

[Elise Hu]

Your beekeeper suit.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yeah. And I played with one of my teammates who I guess I've never played with her at night. She was like, I don't think I've ever seen your legs.

[Shauna (Caller)]

Oh.

[Dory Shafrir]

I was like, well, here they are.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah.

[Shauna (Caller)]

Yeah, this.

[Elise Hu]

This happens. Like, now that we work at home so much, people are often like, oh, you're more than a torso. You know, like, similar thing. Yeah, Yeah. I don't just. I have a bottom half, you know, it's crazy. Totally.

[Dory Shafrir]

That's really funny. Thank you for this note about microneedling. I'm also glad. I'm glad that it worked for you. So, yeah, that's. That's encouraging. Elise, do you want to read this email about laser hair removal?

[Elise Hu]

Sure. Happy to. Oh, my gosh. I am so glad I finally got brave enough for the laser. I got a few recommendations from friends on the salon, so I didn't have to go with the big chain that pops up on Google. So I'm not sure how they are, but mine is a cute small business. Even if I never achieve full hair destruction and I have to do it continuously, forever, I love it so much more than waxing. It is more expensive than waxing, so I just do it at longer intervals. So I'm spending the same amount of money as I would if I waxed. Girl math. If you have ever been waxed in the bikini area, then you will sail through the laser process. The way I described it was that it was more surprising than painful. Like, I kept jumping when it would zap me because it caught me off guard even though I knew a zap was coming. Some compare the pain to a rubber band snap, but I would say a very, very small rubber band being very lightly pulled. Honestly, compared to the pain of a Brazilian wax, this felt like getting a handshake. The worst part for me is that you have to shave before, since the whole reason I want to do hair removal is because I hate shaving that intricate area and I get terrible ingrowns when I do. Oh, also, the place smells like burnt hair, which is kind of gross. But what are you going to do? Good luck and happy zapping. That is true. I forgot to mention the smell that. Yeah, they're zapping hair follicles, so it smells like burnt hair. Yeah. There's very little that you can do about it. I guess some places keep the air conditioning super, super cold. So I think that helps with the smell because you're focused on being freezing. But totally.

[Dory Shafrir]

Thank you for this, for these insights about laser hair removal. We also got a voicemail about laser hair removal so I will do that now.

[Jessica (Caller)]

Hello, my name is Jessica from Texas. I was just finished up listening to the mini episode 459 and someone was asking about their process laser hair removal. So I'm a big fan of that. I've done underarm and bikini line and my tips are one to put numbing on yourself. Like you can easily buy lidocaine cream over the counter and I would put it on the night beforehand, leave it on the whole night and then wake up, shower and go. The place that I go does have like the cooling air so that helps on top of the numbing cream that I put myself. And I will share that I have darker skin and dark hair and they said that I was a perfect candidate. I think pretty much the only people that it's harder for slash they don't recommend is if you are spider skinned and have blonde hair. But I would say that especially if you can find a coupon, a lot of times you can find a coupon for you know, six sessions, five sessions because it will take multiple sessions at first. Once I did the first, I want to say six sessions then I have only been back twice a year since that time and I finished my initial run of session I would say three years ago. So I encourage that caller and even a thinking about it at least so can talk to them and see if you're the. Anyway, thanks, bye.

[Elise Hu]

All great tips. All great tips tips.

[Dory Shafrir]

Okay Elise, we are going to take another short break and after the break, yes we have some jeans recommendations.

[Elise Hu]

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[Dory Shafrir]

All right, we are back and this is a text that we got. Hi longtime listener, first time texter, speaking of comfy but stylish mom jeans, my go to brand is cut from the cloth and that is cut and cloth with a K Kardashian style. And the best cut ever for mom bod is the wide leg Meg jeans, the one with a deep hem, not the raw hem. They run a little big. I suggest sizing down. I'm a 32/33 12 to 14 Apple ish shape and wear a 12 in the megs. They are sold at Nordstrom and are often online at Nordstrom Rack and and the brand has a ton of sales on their site as well. They are so flattering. I get compliments literally every time I wear them. They are stretchy but not too stretchy. Soft but not floppy. Love the show. Okay, from the cloth I feel like.

[Elise Hu]

I've seen this brand but nev, I don't own any clothes from there unless I do, you know, and I just didn't realize it.

[Dory Shafrir]

Oh, these are cute. Yes, they are cute. Okay, I hear what you're saying, listener. It looks like they. Oh, you know what I can I, I'm on the cut from the cloth website and I'm looking at their Meg. Oh, here we go. Meg jeans. Yes, I see that they have some that come in the raw hem and then they have some that come in the finished hem. I don't mind a raw Hem. I gotta say, maybe you should try.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah, maybe you should try them out maybe.

[Dory Shafrir]

Because it looks like they have a lot more options in the raw hem. All right, this is intriguing. This is very intriguing. Okay, thank you for this recommendation. Elise, do you want to read the next? The next?

[Elise Hu]

Sure. Hi, Dori and Elise. Wow. Everyone always talks about pause the pod moments. And now I've experienced the joy myself. I was out walking my dog, feeling comfy and stylish in my Uniqlo drapey wide flare jeans when I heard the listener question on mini EP459 about jeans that look sharp but feel like soft pants. Relatable Queen. These jeans totally fit the bill. They're comfortable, flattering, and the fabric is so soft. The drapey wide flares definitely lean casual. But Uniqlo also has straight leg options that look a bit more polished. Plus, the price point is great. The only catch is that Uniqlo has limited physical presence. The us I'm in Europe and lucky enough to have one in town. That said, their jeans are sized by waist circumference and length, which makes finding the right fit much easier. So ordering online could definitely work. Hope that helps. Yes, I have like slacks from Uniqlo that have lasted for years and like trousers because they have good work trousers too. And it's fantastic. I love that brand. I wish my kids would shop more Uniqlo. I used to put them in a lot of Uniqlo clothes, like, because they had the puffer jackets and the pajamas and they have Uniqlo heat tech, which is really great for under ski clothing or just like being out in the cold. And so it was really great in Northeast Asia where we lived, but now I don't need heat tech. I don't need, you know, I don't.

[Dory Shafrir]

Need thermals or thermal type technology.

[Elise Hu]

So. But yeah, I haven't tried their wide flare jeans. But yeah, so Uniqlo drapey wide flare jeans is what this listener suggests. And they're very soft.

[Dory Shafrir]

Okay, thank you, listener. And we also got a voicemail about jeans.

[Listener]

Hey, Dora and Elise, just wanted to respond with some recommendations from the last mini episode. One, Universal Standard Genesis. I recently got the Donna high rise curve straight leg. And I used to think people that wore jeans all the time were like sociopaths. Like, how could you do that? Wear hard pants all the time? But I wore jeans every single day this summer and I swear they like became one with my body. And they also feel like they felt like, honestly, they're so incredible. Two laser hair removal. I don't want to say it's life changing because that's, that's a little extreme but like it's really incredible. Many years ago I had some Groupon sessions and I got them done on my lips, my full bikini and my underarms. And then I just went back two weeks ago to get a touch up and the place where I go, they do not numb you. But everything else Elise said was spot on. Regarding the cooling sensation, it's like a little spray of cold water goes out at the same time as the laser kind of does its thing on you so that the water kind of cools it and kind of mitigates perhaps any more pain than it would be in. I find the pain very low. It's uncomfortable but not painful is how I would describe it. And incredible. Absolutely, absolutely incredible. If you can afford it, do it. It's great.

[Elise Hu]

Okay, bye bye. Fantastic. Not only, not only do you have a jeans recommendations there universal standard, you also have more encouragement to do laser hair removal should you want.

[Dory Shafrir]

I mean we've got it all.

[Elise Hu]

We've got it all here at Forever 35.

[Dory Shafrir]

We've got it all. I feel like the jeans might become the new dish rags. I'm just going to put that out there. I'm excited. I personally am excited, so. Well, Elise, this has been great listeners, great to talk to you and we will talk to you all again very soon.

[Elise Hu]

Okay, until next time, bye.

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