Mini-Ep 462: Jeans, Laser Machines, and Short-Hair Queens

Summary

Forever35 Mini-Ep 462: Jeans, Laser Machines, and Short-Hair Queens

Hosts: Doree Shafrir & Elise Hu
Date: September 24, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this lively and thoughtful mini-episode, Doree and Elise connect with their community to answer listener questions and share advice and personal stories about self-care as adulthood evolves. Topics range from laser hair removal, career transitions, and closet cleanouts, to taking risks with haircuts, recycling empties, and jeans recommendations. The episode features multiple listener calls and texts, providing on-the-ground wisdom and a sense of camaraderie. Throughout, the hosts maintain their trademark humor and warmth, inviting everyone to challenge norms and find what feels good for them.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Emotional Check-in and Parenting Moments

[01:31] – [03:07]

• Elise opens up about the chaos of recent weeks, the importance of self-care, and celebrating "the small wins" like attending her daughter's first volleyball game.
• Quote:

  "I'm trying to get to bed earlier. I'm trying to celebrate the small wins. I'm trying to hug my kids tight."
  – Elise Hu [01:31]

2. Listener Q&A: Leaving a Baby for the First Time

[03:54] – [05:40]

• A listener shares tips for other parents struggling to leave their baby during work trips, including journaling as if writing to the child.
• Highlights of her advice:
  • Journaling helps maintain a sense of connection and may be a cherished keepsake for the child.
  • The time apart allows the partner to bond more deeply with the baby.
• Quote:

  "One thing that I did was I would journal in the evenings like I was writing to my kid...it made me feel really connected to her and also made me realize how cool my job was..."
  – Listener Caller 1 [04:04]

3. Switching Career Paths: Hospital to School Work

[06:16] – [08:53]

• Former teacher and school-based professionals call in with advice for those transitioning to school settings.
• Emphasize:
  • Navigating isolation as a service provider (e.g., Speech-Language Pathologist).
  • The benefits of joining lunchroom/staff lounge culture.
  • The importance of taking actual lunch breaks to avoid burnout.
  • Advice to connect with IEP teams and use midday walks or time outside for self-care.
• Quote:

  "Schools are like really busy, hectic places...it can be really easy to get caught up in that hustle and bustle and to not take breaks."
  – Listener Caller 2 [06:16]

4. Parenting Podcast Crossover

[10:14] – [11:52]

• A listener recalls "The Longest Shortest Time" podcast returning, with Elise as a guest.
• Elise reflects on sharing personal stories, including international birthing experiences and family history, and her new podcast "Raising Us."
• Quote:

  "I'm taking on parenting as a topic for the first time in my career as part of hosting Raising Us, the new parenting podcast."
  – Elise Hu [10:46]

5. Laser Hair Removal: DIY Devices

[15:28] – [17:12]

• Listeners inquire about or recommend at-home laser hair removal devices, highlighting brands like Braun, Gillette, and TRIA.
• Hosts admit curiosity but no direct experience.
• There's an open call for more community reviews on favorite devices.
• Quote:

  "If there are other listeners out there who like your at home laser hair removal device or hair removal device generally, be sure to call, write or text us."
  – Elise Hu [16:45]

6. Challenging Beauty “Expert” Advice: The Short Hair Debate

[17:12] – [22:21]

• A listener rejects standard haircut advice for her round face and discovers joy in a French bob, earning compliments and newfound confidence.
• Hosts strongly affirm the value of defying prescriptive “expert” rules.
• Discussion ranges from outdated beauty charts to the relevance of color theory in styling.
• Quotes:

  "Yes, we are all too unique to be categorized. Yes, we are too unique to be following narrow beauty standards."
  – Elise Hu [18:36]
  "Take what's useful to you and ignore the rest."
  – Doree Shafrir [19:58]

7. On Color Theory & Guidelines

[20:28] – [22:21]

• Doree and Elise discuss past experiences with color consultants and personalizing recommendations.
• Doree reveals her "moonlit winter" color palette but still occasionally wears off-palette favorites.

8. Refilleries, Empties, and Jeans Recycling

[25:03] – [29:01]

• A listener educates the community on “refilleries” (bulk stores for home/personal products) and how to recycle containers and even jeans.
• Discussion expands to textile and sample recycling tips, and where to donate gently used clothes.
• Popular jeans recommended: Abercrombie & Fitch Curve Love “Dad” jeans.
• Quote:

  "I have taken ripped jeans to textile recycling bins...I've heard that you can turn jeans into insulation for a house."
  – Listener Text [27:32]

9. Career Suggestion – Collegiate Advising

[26:37] – [27:18]

• A listener suggests Doree would excel in the collegiate advising/admissions space, sparking thoughts on new career potentials.

10. Listener Follow-Up: IUD Removal

[29:20] – [29:40]

• Quick reassurance offered on the near-painless experience of IUD removal.
• Quote:

  "Getting an IUD taken out is way easier and nearly painless."
  – Listener Text [29:20]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• "Take what's useful to you and ignore the rest." – Doree Shafrir [19:58]
• "I love that you did that. And those hair cut recommendations for face shape kind of remind me of those tables that they had in Seventeen magazine growing up..." – Elise Hu [19:27]
• "I get those [laser devices] advertised to me on Instagram and I don't know which ones are good." – Elise Hu [16:45]
• "Definitely worth checking out. I think I'm curious like all the things that they offer." – Doree Shafrir [25:43]
• On parenting: "It was like a 90 minute interview that they cut down into 45 minutes. But it felt really good to just chat for a while." – Elise Hu [11:52]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Opening check-ins & self-care – [01:31]
• Listener: Leaving baby for first time – [04:04]
• Career pivots: Hospital to school – [06:16], [08:53]
• Listener: Parenting podcasts & Elise's guest spot – [10:14]
• Laser hair removal: At-home devices – [15:34]
• Challenging haircut “expert” advice – [17:12]
• Color theory & personal style – [20:28]
• Refilleries and eco-conscious tips – [25:03]
• Jeans recycling & recommendations – [27:32]
• IUD removal feedback – [29:20]

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Final Thoughts

The episode encapsulates Forever35’s focus on community-driven advice, humor, and the invitation to bend or break “expert” rules in favor of what works best for you. Whether discussing parenting challenges, self-presentation, hair removal hacks, or sustainable living, Doree and Elise advocate for staying curious, celebrating individuality, and supporting each other through every messy, beautiful stage of adulthood.

Transcript

[Elise Hu]

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[Dory Shafrir]

Hel hello and welcome to Forever 35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I'm Dory Shafrier.

[Elise Hu]

And I'm Elise Hu. And we're just two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.

[Dory Shafrir]

It's so true. And this is a mini episode where we hear from you, we share your comments and your thoughts and we answer your questions to the best of our ability. But please remember, we are not experts. We're podcast hosts and we always encourage you to seek support first and foremost from a medical and or mental health professional as needed.

[Elise Hu]

And what a time to be alive. I hope you all are taking good care of yourselves. Like it feels pretty chaotic these last couple of weeks, like more chaotic than usual. And so as a show that's focus is just trying to take care of ourselves and trying to take care of each other. You know, I hope that you are taking deep breaths, staying calm, as calm as possible, getting the sleep and rest that you need. I'm trying to get to bed earlier. I'm trying to celebrate the small wins. I'm trying to hug my kids tight. I, I went to Ava's first volleyball game last night, which was a lot of fun. That coach is so coach. He has like such coach vibes. I think he used to be like a college basketball player at LMU or something. And he's very tall and just, yeah, intense. And it was a lot of fun. It was a lot of fun. Yeah. And the girls played really well together as a team even though it was their first game and they won. And it was good to see Ava. I could tell she was really self conscious. All the boys came, like the whole boy crew from the seventh grade and eighth grade. A lot of them are basketball players. They came and they kind of sat in front And. And watched. And I think that made her even more nervous. But it was cool to see. So, yeah, just celebrating. Celebrating, you know, being present and being alive as much as possible. I hope that you all are doing the same. How are you, Dori? What's happening? Let's do a quick temperature check.

[Dory Shafrir]

Well, I mean, it's. Yeah, it's bad.

[Elise Hu]

We care about free speech here on the show.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yeah.

[Elise Hu]

And in the country.

[Dory Shafrir]

And in the country, indeed. Um, so, yeah, you know, just trying to kind of like muddle my way through this. I feel like that's, like, this is something that we could talk a lot more about. We are going to get to our listener questions and comments because we've actually gotten quite a few. And we have a lot of responses for a few different topics that have come up lately. Yeah. One of them is a listener who had, I think she called in about having a baby and going away.

[Elise Hu]

Oh, yeah. She was leaving her seven month old and was anxious about it.

[Dory Shafrir]

And was anxious about it. Correct. So we got another great response to this.

[Listener Caller 1]

Hey, I'm calling in. In response to the listener who is leaving her baby for the first time to go on a work trip. I, first of all just want to say I feel you so much. When I had to take my first work trip away from my kid, I literally wept in the airport before leaving on an international flight. And I ran into one of my bosses at the airport. That was even more awkward. But one recommendation that really helped for me other than just facetiming with the baby when I could, although sometimes that was harder for my spouse. But one other thing that I did was I would journal and evenings like I was writing to my kids about everything that I was doing. And it made me feel really connected to her and also made me realize how cool my job was and what I was doing was and all the cool things I was seeing for the first time. And I would write about the things I was struggling about too, and how much I missed her. And I thought, you know, one day she's going to read this and she's going to think about how cool her mom was, but also that her mom was a real person that was struggling and things were hard for her and that was just really special for me. And I hope that she does beat it one day and looks back on it. And then also, everything Lori said is true. It's going to be fine. And it actually did help my husband form a close relationship with the baby while I was gone. And when I got back, he could help me A lot more with her because he learned techniques that worked for her, that didn't work for me. So good luck, enjoy your trip and I hope you get some nice time for you too.

[Dory Shafrir]

Love this.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah, I imagine she's gone on her trip now, but I'd love to hear back. So if you were the original caller or texter or emailer who wrote in, give us an update.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yeah, we'd love an update. We got another voicemail on another topic that came up, which was someone transitioning to working in a school. And I also just want to note that this is a voicemail that was emailed into us as a voice memo and I think you will all hear the high quality of this voicemail.

[Listener Caller 2]

Hi Dori and Elise, I'm calling in response to the listener who said she was going from working in a hospital to working in a school. I was a teacher. I'm currently a stay at home mom. So two things I thought of were that being a service provider in a school, a speech language pathologist, occupational therapist, can be kind of isolating because you're not working at a grade level team kind of situation. You know, a lot of first grade teachers work together, etc. So if there's like a good lunchroom culture, staff lounge culture to go eat your lunch in there and get to know people. My second piece of advice is schools are like really busy, hectic places. There's just like this amazing organized chaos that happens every single day and it can be really easy to get caught up in that hustle and bustle and to not take breaks and just let the day run by you. So really making an effort to take real actual breaks at your lunch break or, you know, whatever you can do to just actually carve out a break for yourself. This call kind of got me thinking a lot about the idea of career transitions because honestly, I thought about becoming a speech language pathologist myself. So I would love to hear also about other listeners who've made big career transitions and what that's looked like for them. And thank you ladies so much for the show. Love listening.

[Elise Hu]

There's a shout out for y' all then. So the career pivot question from one of our listeners. Call in or email us a voice memo.

[Dory Shafrir]

I mean, did you not appreciate the crystal clear quality? And we also got a text about this that said hi there. I had some self care tips for the school based slp. Speech language pathologist transitioning from the hospital setting. I'm a school psychologist and often collaborate with our slp. The biggest piece of Advice I can share is to actually leave the building for your lunch hour, whether it be listening to an audiobook or podcast in your car, doing a five minute walk on your school's track, or just having lunch with a coworker. We often are doing paperwork while inhaling lunch and I have found that the midday reset of just truly taking a lunch makes such a difference. Also, lean on your IEP team for learning how to write goals for your students. We've all been newbies before and it can seem overwhelming at first. Have a great school year.

[Elise Hu]

That's a great tip because I do imagine educators just being on campus all day.

[Dory Shafrir]

Right? Exactly. Exactly.

[Elise Hu]

Like how they do.

[Dory Shafrir]

They had a lunch break. They do.

[Elise Hu]

How do they even leave though? Because you know, the kids only get like 20, 25 minutes, so it is. Yeah, that's a great idea and I think it's something for all of us to remember, no matter where you're working, to try and take a walk if you can. I mean, even just a quick five to ten minute one, getting out of the building is really helpful. I had Oscar with me the other day at the new co working space that I'm using, which was the topic of some of our mini apps a few weeks ago. And Oscar can't. I can't. One of the dog rules of having a canine on campus is that you can't just take him. You can't keep him on campus when he needs to go to the bathroom. Have something called the quad, but you're not. Which is kind of this open outdoor space, but it's on the property. And when you agree to bring a dog or they agree to let you bring a dog, you have to agree to take your dog off property to let him relieve himself. And so I had to take Oscar on a little walk around Venice. It was so pleasurable and unintended pleasure that I needed to do that.

[Dory Shafrir]

I love that. That's so cool.

[Elise Hu]

Elise.

[Dory Shafrir]

We also got a text that is relevant to you and it says Elise has said the phrase longest, shortest time a couple times recently. This made me think about a podcast I listened to seven plus years ago when my daughter was a baby. I loved the podcast, but then it went off the air. This morning I googled Longest, Shortest Time podcast and found that the podcast is back and Elise Hu is on the latest episode, excited to listen and hear a familiar voice on an old favorite podcast.

[Elise Hu]

This was an awesome show, especially during the time that I was listening to it originally. So I was really delighted to be able to be a Guest on it because I'm talking a little bit more about parenting now. I'm taking on parenting as a topic for the first time in my career as part of hosting Raising Us, the new parenting podcast. And so they asked me to come on and I got to tell Isabel's birth story, which is hilarious because they fed me the entire time I was giving birth. Like, even when I was pushing, the doctor came and was like, it's dinner time. What do you want to eat? I'm like, do you see that I am pushing?

[Dory Shafrir]

Was this here or in Korea?

[Elise Hu]

Korea. In Korea, yeah. And so we talk a little bit about international versus domestic, you know, motherhood in different places. And then I talked for the first time about like my origins and my dad being a refugee and all these things. So, yeah, take a listen. It's cool. I. I was asked to dig deep because it was like a 90 minute interview that they cut down into 45 minutes. But it felt really good to just chat for a while. So, yeah, thanks for listening.

[Dory Shafrir]

Very cool. All right, well, we are going to take a little break. After the break, we have some messages about laser hair removal and then we have a very interesting question about whether we' all been misled by, quote, expert advice.

[Elise Hu]

Stay tuned, stay tuned.

[Dory Shafrir]

And just a reminder that you can call or text us at 781-591-0390. You can email us at forever35podcastmail.com and again, you can email us voice memos. Do not text them to us. They sound for some reason they do not work. You can Visit our website forever35podcast.com. We have links there to everything we mentioned on the show. Follow us on Instagram @forever35podcast podcast. Sign up for our newsletter at forever35podcast.com newsletter and shop our favorite products at Shopmy Us Forever35 and we will be right back.

[Elise Hu]

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[Dory Shafrir]

All right, we are back. Elise, do you want to read these next couple messages about laser hair removal?

[Elise Hu]

Yes, I will do the laser hair removal correspondence section of the show. Hi Dorian, Elise, I love all the content about laser hair removal. It is so helpful. I had it done in my 20s and now want to refresh the area I did and do some other areas. I recently heard you can buy an at home laser hair removal tool by Braun or Gillette and that some people really like that. Have you or any of your listeners done this? Do people recommend or. No. Thanks so much.

[Dory Shafrir]

I have not tried it.

[Elise Hu]

I have seen it on Instagram.

[Dory Shafrir]

So this. This email just went per. This text just went perfectly with the next one we received.

[Elise Hu]

Oh, okay. So next question. Laser hair removal. Surprised that no one has mentioned using an at home device. I think it's more economical. I did my bikini line in an office and then purchased the TRIA for at home purchased years ago. There are many options now and it's great for touch ups, but have also done my armpits and rogue chin hairs. I think this is diy.

[Dory Shafrir]

Very cool. Okay, so at home device.

[Elise Hu]

Yes, yes. I get those advertised to me on Instagram and I don't know which ones are good. So it sounds like this listener likes the TRIA but purchased it years ago. If there are other listeners out there who like your at home laser hair removal device or hair removal device generally, be sure to call, write or text us.

[Dory Shafrir]

All right? And this is the interesting question I alluded to before the break. Hi Dori and Elise. My whole life I've seen magazine articles, blogs and videos on how to pick a haircut based on your face shape. The same recommendations are repeated over and over. And I've recently begun to wonder, is this all a scam? I have a round face shape and the common advice is that people with round faces should wear their hair long because it elongates the face. Every hairdresser I've asked has agreed with this and advised I never cut my hair shorter than shoulder length. Last year I decided to throw all this advice out the window and get a French bob. I got bangs and my hair is now shorter than chin length. It's as short as I can cut it without having to shave the back of my head. And guess what? I love it. And I get complimented all the time. Not only by friends, but also from strangers on the bus or people in the checkout line at the store. Everyone says my haircut suits me. If I had listened to the advice given by so called experts, I never would have discovered a new haircut that I absolutely love. And I'm kind of pissed about it. I feel like these kinds of articles box people in and make them afraid to try new things. Do other people think that too? Is all this advice nonsense we should just discard because each person is too unique to categorize like this. Would love to hear your stories if anything like this has happened to you.

[Elise Hu]

Yes, we are all too unique to be categorized. Yes, we are too Unique to be following narrow beauty standards. Yes. I have a TED talk about this. You know, do something different. And I think our conversation with Sable Young was a real reminder of this. When we did that live episode with Sable Young, she's like, you know what I find most beautiful? I find what I find most beautiful is people who do something a little bit different, like have their own thing or go off the. You know, go out of the norm, out of the standard deviation, or, you know, just, like, pick a thing that's theirs, whether it's not shaving your armpits and making sure that, like, you or. And then having your armpit hair be long or having a haircut that's different than what's recommended for your hair shape or head. Face shape. Having a little fashion thing that's yours, like, let's say you wear brooches all the time.

[Dory Shafrir]

So.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah, I love that. I love that you did that. And those hair cut recommendations for face shape kind of remind me of those tables that they had in Seventeen magazine growing up, like, what you were supposed to do for different face shapes or what you were supposed to wear for different body shapes. And, yeah, it does all seem so prescriptive. Right. And yet those are really lasting charts in our heads, I think, about what we can do and what we can try. And so don't limit yourself.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yes. I mean, I think, like, take. Take everything with a grain of salt and don't let some seemingly arbitrary rule dictate everything that you do. If you love the way a color looks on you, but it's not, like, in your color family, who cares? You know, like, all those kinds of things if, like, do what you feel good in and what makes you happy and take what's useful to you and ignore the rest.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah. Speaking of colors, I have yet to try that. You know how everybody's into color theory now, or a lot of people are into color theory. Like, are you a cool autumn or a warm summer? And that was always very big in Korea. There had lots of consultants for that 10 years ago when I was there. And now there's all these apps and things that you can do. I. I really want to try it, like, as an experiment, so I might pay for that. Like a stylist to do color theory. I don't know if our listeners have done it.

[Dory Shafrir]

Well, we had an advertiser a few years ago called Color Guru, and so we had our colors done.

[Elise Hu]

Oh, which. What are you? What season are you?

[Dory Shafrir]

I am a moonlit winter.

[Elise Hu]

Moonlight winter. Okay.

[Dory Shafrir]

And it actually, like, When I saw the description and, like, what colors look good on you? I was like, yeah, that's actually accurate. Like, I don't look great in, like, pastels. You know what I mean? But there were some colors that I was like, oh. Like, when I. When we got it done, I feel like earth tones were still very in. And it was like, it was basically like, please never wear an earth tone or anything, like, remotely, like, neutral. Like, no beige, no rust, no olive. Like, it was just like, you need more, like, vibrant colors.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dory Shafrir]

And I was like, oh, okay. And so I have used it as a guide, I will say, because in some ways, it does help to have these sort of guardrails to go shopping or something or to buy new.

[Elise Hu]

Better in some colors versus other colors.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yeah, exactly. But, like, you know, every so often, there will be something that I'm like, oh, this is so cute. Oh, but it's not my color. And I'm like, okay, whatever. Like, yeah, you know, So I think. I think it's just, again, it's like, take what's useful to you and forget the rest.

[Elise Hu]

Great.

[Dory Shafrir]

So. All right, we are going to take another short break, and when we come back, we have some thoughts about what to do with empties and then also some jeans.

[Elise Hu]

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[Dory Shafrir]

Okay, we are back. This listener writes loving mini app461 thank you. Wanted to write in to spread the word about refilleries. Exactly as you said. It's like a whole store that is the bulk section of whole foods for cleaning supplies, soaps, cosmetics, spices, teas, oils, et cetera. You bring containers, they weigh them and then you fill them and they weigh them again to get the price. We even have one here in Knoxville, Tennessee called Knoxville and many of the refillable products are also local. They also have recycling bins from TerraCycle so you can bring your empties, batteries, et cetera to be recycled. Quick search brought up Refillery LA and Sustain LA near you all.

[Elise Hu]

Maybe Refillery is by me.

[Dory Shafrir]

There's a refillery that I sustain is in. I think it's in Highland Park. Not super not that close to me but could be worth a stop like if I'm on that side of town. Definitely worth. Worth checking out. I think I'm curious like all the things that they, that they offer. Okay, I see they have, they have. Yeah, they have cleaners. They do have like some body oils, soaps, some other stuff. So definitely worth checking out.

[Elise Hu]

Oh but my refillery LA is permanently closed. The one that's right by me. Oh no, I know we, we have a re grocery. We have a re grocery that's like a refill grocery place. But that's more like.

[Dory Shafrir]

That is. That's like the bulk section. This listener also wrote also an unsolicited career suggestion. I've always thought Dory Would be great in collegiate advising or admissions. Not sure if that's something she's explored. Sending love to you both.

[Elise Hu]

Have you ever explored anything like that?

[Dory Shafrir]

I have not. I. I agree. I would be great at that. I have not explored it.

[Elise Hu]

I do think you would be great at that.

[Dory Shafrir]

How do you get into college admissions? Else?

[Elise Hu]

Let's see. Probably like every other job, which is somebody that you know.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yeah. It's hard to. To Google it, because when you Google how do you get into college admissions? You just get how do you get to college?

[Elise Hu]

But not even admissions offices for colleges. Like, I could see you doing it for some really elite school or something too.

[Dory Shafrir]

I'll put that on the list. It's not a bad suggestion. Thank you. All right, Elise, you want to read this next one?

[Elise Hu]

Sure. I put my empties in the recycling bin. I do opt for large containers and refill for products like face wash. The refill packaging is less plastic than the original bottle, which I get to reuse. I can't really do samples due to my sensitive skin. I have trusted products and don't really like trying samples, Especially when I'm traveling and then have to have a breakout or a reaction. When samples are given to me. I often pass them to my preteen nieces. I, who love samples. Oh, and jeans. I have taken ripped jeans to textile recycling bins. I'm lucky in Boston that these bins are in every neighborhood. I've heard that you can turn jeans into insulation for a house if you don't have access to something like this. There are companies that will send you a bag you can fill and ship back. Oh, for textile recycling like Trashy or zws. I do do that. I do subscribe to Trashy because I have a lot of towels and linens that we have to change out fairly, you know, at least every year, a couple of years or so that we. We have to update since there's so many people in this house and the sheets get washed a lot. So. Yeah, it's a good, good idea.

[Dory Shafrir]

Okay.

[Elise Hu]

Good idea.

[Dory Shafrir]

All right. We got another. We got a recommendation for some actual jeans. This was also a callback to a listener question. Someone suggests the Abercrombie and Fitch jeans curve. Love. Specifically the dad jeans.

[Elise Hu]

Oh, and then while we're on jeans, our original writer did say jeans that are in good condition. She donates to places that have a thrift store to benefit a cause that I care about, like AIDS research, young adults in foster care, etc, so that's another good. Okay, jeans recycling idea.

[Dory Shafrir]

And then a final text because Elise had been talking about getting her IUD taken out, and this person texted us that's and said, as someone who has never given birth and gotten four IUDs, getting an IUD taken out is way easier and nearly painless.

[Elise Hu]

Oh, thank God. Okay. All right, I'm just gonna go schedule that then.

[Dory Shafrir]

Great.

[Elise Hu]

All right, sweet.

[Dory Shafrir]

Love that. Okay, thanks everyone for listening, and we'll talk to you soon.

[Elise Hu]

So bye.

[Dory Shafrir]

Bye.

[Elise Hu]

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