Mini-Ep 466: Time For A Second Act

Summary

Forever35 Mini-Episode 466: Time For A Second Act

Date: October 22, 2025
Hosts: Doree Shafrir & Elise Hu

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Episode Overview

In this mini-episode, Doree and Elise field listener questions and discuss a wide range of issues related to self-care, aging, and navigating life changes—including family visits, travel woes, multigenerational living, towel recommendations, executive function in kids, care packages for IVF, burnout and career shifts, and the latest in anti-aging skincare trends. True to form, the conversation flows with their signature warmth, humor, and a dose of real talk about life’s transitions.

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Family Visits and Traveling Woes (01:26–07:21)

• Doree recaps her parents’ recent visit from Boston and the challenges of hosting in a smaller home.
• Elise shares travel frustrations through a story about a friend’s uncomfortable cross-country flight—middle seat woes, plane etiquette, and the lack of in-flight amenities on long domestic flights.
• Discussion of how exhausting east-to-west flights are, especially with time zone changes and tight turnarounds for older parents.

Notable Quote:
“I agree with him. You are supposed to give the middle yield, right? Yeah, you are supposed to do that. So, I mean, he's in the right there. I agree with your friend. That is like basic. That is basic plane etiquette.”
— Doree Shafrir (04:41)

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Multigenerational Living & Listener Feedback (07:24–10:45)

• A listener critiques a recent episode for overlooking multigenerational households as an option for elder care.
• Elise and Doree reflect on the realities, privileges, and challenges of having parents move in—particularly given issues like dementia and the need for round-the-clock professional care.
• They discuss the prohibitive costs of both in-home care and memory care facilities, highlighting that neither option is straightforward or universally accessible.

Notable Quotes:
“In Vanessa's defense, she lives in New York City—a notoriously difficult place to have extra space. So I actually find this text to be a little bit of, like, space privilege. Your space privilege is showing…”
— Doree Shafrir (08:28)

“So many of these memory care facilities are like, minimum, what, like $8,000 a month… And then you have to pay for, like, caregivers too…”
— Elise Hu (09:22)

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Bath Towel Recommendations (10:47–12:58)

• A listener requests bath towel recommendations.
• Elise recommends Onsen towels (“like the Japanese spa”), particularly for their quality and durability, though acknowledges the cost is high for outfitting an entire household.
• Doree notes she has no recommendations because she dislikes her own towels.

Timestamp:
[11:07] Listener question
[12:22] Onsen recommendation

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Executive Function in Kids (16:38–22:46)

• Two voicemails from educational professionals underline the increasing importance of teaching executive functioning skills from a young age.
• Advice includes creating specific, color-coded, task-oriented checklists for kids (like packing tags for activities) and resisting the urge to step in and solve problems for children.
• Both hosts reflect on the tension between not “hovering” and knowing when to intervene—especially during kids’ sporting events or when injuries might occur.

Notable Quotes:
“If we don't get to them until they're 13 or 14, it's a lot harder than if parents are doing that all along. So thank you to all the parents out there who are making efforts…”
— Nora, Educational Correspondent (19:06)

“In those immediate moments, you always wonder… in general, I agree that yes, obviously, try and not hover over your kids. When you're worried they're injured is the point where I'm like, when am I supposed to… would it be helpful if I got up? Probably not.”
— Elise Hu (21:35)

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IVF Care Package Ideas (22:51–25:17)

• Listener Ashley requests ideas for an IVF care package for her sister-in-law.
• Doree suggests distractions (books, cozy items), while Elise recommends sending meals periodically to lighten the load.
• Both stress the importance of emotional support over frequent check-ins about results: let the person going through IVF set the tone for updates.

Notable Advice:
“It’s less of a gift in a care package, but it certainly is a way to show you care.”
— Elise Hu about arranging meal deliveries (24:38)

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Burnout, Career Changes, and Second Acts (29:20–32:41)

• A listener asks for advice about switching careers without expensive retraining or side hustles, especially in the face of burnout, and what to do if a partner isn't supportive of taking a break or pay cut.
• Elise and Doree candidly acknowledge the complexity and individuality of such transitions, with Elise sharing anecdotes about friends seeking a "second act" and the realities of luck and timing in entrepreneurial reinventions.

Notable Quote:
“So much of this is just luck and timing and backing… No easy answers.”
— Elise Hu (32:01–32:41)

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Skincare Trends: Exosomes & Growth Factors (32:41–35:13)

• A listener requests insight into exosomes and growth factors in anti-aging serums—are they a scam or a breakthrough?
• Neither host can provide definitive advice (they aren’t chemists or dermatologists). Doree references mixed reports online, noting that professional-grade treatments might be a different category than OTC products.
• They plan to raise the question with dermatology experts in a future episode.

Notable Quotes:
“I don't know enough about this. I'm not like a chemist…”
— Elise Hu (33:01)

“I don't know the answer. Jury is out. If you have professional thoughts on this, expert thoughts, let us know and we will also do some investigating.”
— Doree Shafrir (34:24)

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Closing Thoughts & Takeaways

• The episode captures the spirit of midlife check-ins—delighting in small pleasures (towels, cozy mysteries), wrestling with big transitions (career changes, family care), and tackling practicalities with humor and realness.
• Doree and Elise invite ongoing listener engagement, particularly for crowd-sourced recommendations (towels, IVF care packages, and skincare experiences).

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Family Visits & Plane Etiquette: [01:26–07:21]
• Multigenerational Households & Elder Care: [07:24–10:45]
• Bath Towel Recommendations: [10:47–12:58]
• Executive Function in Kids: [16:38–22:46]
• IVF Care Package Ideas: [22:51–25:17]
• Burnout & Career Changes (“Second Act”): [29:20–32:41]
• Skincare Science: Exosomes & Growth Factors: [32:41–35:13]

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Tone:
Conversational, warm, humorous, and reflective—staying true to Doree and Elise’s style.

Memorable Closing:
“I don’t know the answer. Jury is out… If you have professional thoughts on this, expert thoughts, let us know and we will also do some investigating.”
— Doree (34:24)

For More:
Listeners can contribute recommendations, questions, or feedback at 781-591-0390 or forever35podcastmail.com.

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Useful for:
Anyone interested in adulting, self-care, navigating midlife changes, or simply enjoying the reliably relatable perspective of Forever35.

Transcript

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[Elise Hu]

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[Dory Shafrir]

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[Elise Hu]

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[Dory Shafrir]

Hello and welcome to Forever 35, a podcast about the things. Things we do to take care of ourselves. I'm Dory Shafrir.

[Elise Hu]

And I'm Elise Hu. And we're just two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.

[Dory Shafrir]

And this is a mini episode where we hear from you, we share your comments and your thoughts, and we answer your questions to the best of our ability. But please remember, we are not experts. We're podcast hosts. And we always encourage you to seek support first and foremost from a medical and or mental health professional as needed.

[Elise Hu]

That is right. And we are back after Dory. Your parents visited last weekend. They sure did tell me everything. How did it go?

[Dory Shafrir]

Yeah, it was good. I mean, it was a lot like they stayed with us. So, you know, that's always like, our house is not that big. We don't have a Hugh hideaway.

[Elise Hu]

Oh, right.

[Dory Shafrir]

We don't have a back house.

[Elise Hu]

The back house, just to be fair, is a converted garage, but it is its own space. So that is nice.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yeah, but, you know, it was good. I think Henry enjoyed having them here. He was. He was like, why didn't they stay for longer? So, like, you know, that was nice. We didn't do anything like cuckoo, but it was nice. It was just nice to have them here.

[Elise Hu]

I think it's so crazy that your parents fly all the way from Boston for like two days because. Or is it three days, two nights?

[Dory Shafrir]

I guess they got here Thursday evening and they left yesterday afternoon. So three nights.

[Elise Hu]

Three days, Three nights. Okay. Because that flight is really long. It is quite long flight. It feels like you're on the plane forever. And I'm reminded by this because on Friday night, our friend Matt was flying back from Boston like a Nonstop flight back from Boston, the old ye olde Delta flight that arrives around 7pm here. And he was texting me throughout with just how brutal a time he was having on this flight. He's like, why won't it end? I feel like I'm in Europe. I should be in Europe after being on this flight for so long.

[Dory Shafrir]

Well, the flight, the east to west flight is the longer leg. So, you know, for my parents, they get that leg out of the way in the beginning. So then going back, it's not as bad. But yeah, I mean, that. That east to west, it's. It's quite long. It's over six hours usually, and no snacks, just.

[Elise Hu]

It's just rough on it. You know, transatlantic flights, they break up the flight, especially if it's six and a half or seven hours long. They break it up with, like, mini meals and that. But because it's still considered domestic, even though it's the same length from Boston to la, it's all like, meals for purchase. And so he was. He was upset about that. And then he was stuck in a middle seat and got into this dispute about the armrests. Because his point of view is, if I'm stuck in the middle seat, I should have armrests, because I agree with that. But then the people to his left and right were felt otherwise.

[Dory Shafrir]

Oh.

[Elise Hu]

And so he stuck in this situation. And when she was in these, like, armrest, one upsmanship, because anytime they did remove their arm from the middle seat armrest, he would, like, go and try and claim it. And it was this big back and forth, at least with one of the guys on one of the sides. The other kind of acquiesced, conceded the arm.

[Dory Shafrir]

Okay.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah.

[Dory Shafrir]

I mean, I agree with him. You are supposed to give the middle yield, right? Yeah, you are supposed to do that. So, I mean, he's in the right there. I agree with your friend. That is like basic. That is basic plain etiquette.

[Elise Hu]

What etiquette is even remaining these days? It feels like there's all these things that we came up with thinking that, oh, that would be shameful to do in polite society, that these days is just now considered okay, or at least okay for segments of it. And so plain behavior is one where you see all sorts of egregious.

[Dory Shafrir]

You see all sorts, like the shoes.

[Elise Hu]

And socks off and then the feet up on, like, various surfaces. It's so cool.

[Dory Shafrir]

The bare feet. The bare feet is like. I mean, come on, people.

[Elise Hu]

Anyway, so I know all this because Matt got off the flight and then Met us out for dinner. Celebrate Rob moving. Because it was Rob's big moving weekend, and he came off the flight and was just wrecked. Like, he rolled into the restaurant with his roller bag and was like, where have I just been?

[Dory Shafrir]

Well, also, you're tired because you're sort of still on east coast time. So if it's like 7pm here, it's like 10pm there, you've just gotten off a flight. It's a lot.

[Elise Hu]

Yep. What a champ. What a champ.

[Dory Shafrir]

My mom. My parents took a 3.20pm flight home on yesterday, on Sunday, which landed at, you know, close to midnight in Boston. And my mom had to teach this morning at 8.

[Commercial Narrator]

Wow.

[Dory Shafrir]

Tight turnaround.

[Elise Hu]

I know. That's the kind of stuff I don't do. I will not fly red eyes anymore. I just. I don't want to do that to myself. It wrecks my day day. I don't get a good night's sleep, you know?

[Dory Shafrir]

So, yeah, there's something I do not. I don't take red eye. I don't like to take red eyes either. I mean, Matt is always annoyed. Like, whenever we go to the east coast, he's always like, it wastes the day. I'm like, well, I would waste the day anyway because I would be so tired. But it's not like it's a day that I can just hang out. I'm exhausted, so I can't sleep. I also really can't sleep on planes. And he can just, like, conk out, and so can my dad. So they're both like, what's wrong with red eyes? And I'm like, you know what? Just shove it. Okay.

[Elise Hu]

Not for everyone. Not for everyone.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yes, Elise, we got a text, actually, about our episode with Vanessa Gregoriadis that.

[Elise Hu]

Just aired Monday Already. Already some feedback.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yes. And this listener says, I found the guests have such a negative and western centric attitude. Tons of people just have their parents live with them as they get older and can't take care of themselves on their own. And that's a super normal option that costs very little money if you have the space. Multigenerational households are extremely common, and there are huge benefits to kids and grandparents. It is absolutely hard to take care of aging parents while taking care of young kids. And I don't mean to minimize it, but it just felt like a big hole in the episode.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah, I remember asking her if she considered moving her mom in. Does your mom live with you? Or something like that. But I don't know if we left it in the episode or whether it was sort of just like a quick no or something like that. But, yeah, absolutely. It is an option and very common across the world if you should have the space. So, yeah, that's a really important thing to remember.

[Dory Shafrir]

In Vanessa's defense, she lives in New York City and a notoriously difficult place to have extra space. So I actually find this text to be a little bit of, like, space privilege. Your space privilege is showing, like, if you have room in your house for grandparents, great. But a lot of people don't. A lot of people are, like, struggling to have enough space for their own families, let alone move their parents in. And I think there's an extra complication, like with Vanessa's mom, that she has dementia, and so she needs a caregiver with her at all times. So then you have another person in your house. So I hear this, and I think we could have addressed multigenerational households. But I also think it's important to acknowledge the real privilege in having the space and the resources to move your parents into your home.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah. I wonder what's more expensive, you know, because so many of these memory care facilities are like, minimum, what, like $8,000 a month.

[Guest or Caller]

And.

[Elise Hu]

And then you have to. On top of that, you have to pay for. If you have them in your house, then you're having to pay for, like, caregivers too. Rob's dad died of Parkinson's and was ailing with Parkinson's for more than a decade. And while he was able to stay at home, it came at a huge cost because they had 24 hour care, which means three people worked eight hour shifts inside of one day every day. So essentially, like, living in their home in order to care for Rob's dad. And so ultimately, it's sort of like, would it have been, I don't know. I mean, I don't know. Like, the cost of it is. They're all enormous. And then how subsidies and insurance work for all that ends up playing a huge factor, just as.

[Dory Shafrir]

Also, I mean, I think. I think if you have healthy parents, that's very different than having parents that need constant caregiving. Like, it's also a big ask for people to move their parents in that need. Like you said, 24 hour care.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah.

[Dory Shafrir]

So I think there are a lot of variables that don't make it as clear cut as, like, we'll just have a multi generational household, you know?

[Elise Hu]

Yeah, Yep, totally.

[Dory Shafrir]

So.

[Elise Hu]

But thank you. Yeah, yeah. It is important to remember. And thank you.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yeah, totally. Okay. We did get also one listener who said, at the risk of annoying that listener who got sick of dish rag wrecks, bath towel wrecks, please ready to replace our mix of old mismatched ones for a nice set.

[Elise Hu]

Okay, just off the top of my head. So first of all, listeners, please call in with your bath towel faves, but maybe don't call in too much because then we're gonna run into the same problem that we did with the dish towels. Or we can just, we could just edit them. Like, we tend to try and play all of your messages and share all of your texts, but we could just try and call them down. I do have one wreck off the top of my head and I have yet to splurge on a set because I want to be the kind of rich in which I can just buy a set of this for my entire house and for the back house, so for all the guests so that we have all the same bath towels in the house such that it's not confusing, like, oh, these go in this part of the house and this, these go in the other. The towel brand is called Onsen, like the Japanese spa onsen onsen towels. And they are these waffle towels. They're incredibly absorbent. They come in different colors. I kind of want them in the oatmeal color, but I am not the kind of wealthy to be able to replace all of my towels for sets and sets of these Onsen towels.

[Dory Shafrir]

Let me see.

[Elise Hu]

Yes, A complete set is $159.90.

[Dory Shafrir]

Oh, okay.

[Elise Hu]

I have a five family or five member household plus guests frequently. So I don't know it. I. I just can't afford it. But if you can, your ownsen towels are my favorite bath towels and they're excellent and they'll probably last forever.

[Dory Shafrir]

Okay. I have no wrecks because we. I like, I hate our bath towels. And so you're anti influencing those.

[Elise Hu]

De influencing those.

[Dory Shafrir]

I am. But I would love to hear our listeners recommendations. All right, before we take a break, just a reminder, you can call or text us with your bath towel or any other recommendations, comments or questions at 781-591-0390 and email us at forever35podcastmail.com we also have our website forever35podcast.com. We have links there to everything we mentioned on the show. We are on Instagram @forever35podcast. Our newsletter is forever35podcast.com newsletter and you can shop our favorite products at Shopmy Us Forever35. Okay, let's take a break.

[Elise Hu]

We'll be right back.

[Dory Shafrir]

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[Elise Hu]

Great. Okay.

[Dory Shafrir]

A popular topic.

[Guest or Caller]

Hi, Jory and Elise. I am a speech language pathologist. I currently work in the school, but previously worked in a hospital. And executive function is a passion of mine. I'm so happy we are now talking about it in children because it's been a huge thing that has been overlooked, especially in our neurospicy population, as I like to call it. Dory, I heard you bought luggage tags and I am so happy that you're starting to do this. It is life changing in terms of making lists. My recommendation is to be specific in your lists. So if you have, you know, your practice luggage tag versus your match luggage tag, that would be super helpful because otherwise what's going to happen is you're going to just ignore things that you might need for a match and only bring the things that you need for practice. And then when the time the match comes around, it might be ignored again. So I would color code it and I would also just, you know, ignore the tag until it's the time. And the same thing for Henry or your daughters, which is just be specific with the list and you can put it on like a little ring that you can attach to it and then you can flip through easily or you can laminate some index cards and kind of do the same thing. I hope this helps. And I don't know if that was covered in your talk, so if this is redundant, I apologize. But I am so happy you're talking about this and I'm so happy that they're doing talks in schools about this. I really appreciate it. You guys are the best. I love this podcast and I love you. Keep up the wonderful work that you do. Thank you.

[Elise Hu]

Bye. Aw, yeah.

[Dory Shafrir]

So nice. I have to, you know, full, full disclosure, I have not yet put the luggage tags on, but I will, I promise.

[Elise Hu]

But he's on it, right? Like, he's. Well, he's doing his checklists.

[Dory Shafrir]

He's doing his checklists. He's still into the checklists.

[Elise Hu]

And the luggage tags are for what you need to remember to pack on in inside your bags, right?

[Dory Shafrir]

Yes, exactly. All right. We got another voicemail about executive function.

[Elise Hu]

Hi, There.

[Nora (Educational Correspondent)]

My name's Nora. I have called a couple times with teaching related things, so I feel like I'm your educational correspondent, but I just wanted to validate and reinforce a couple of things I've heard on the podcast. Dori, I love that you're working on executive functioning skills, and I want to echo what sue said about not stepping in to solve problems for your children. I teach at the high school level and the lack of executive functioning skills and problem solving skills, that are two of the biggest issues we see in students. And they really have a huge effect on the way that those kids are able to navigate their academics, keep track of their assignments, like fulfill deadlines, get good grades. But also just seeing kids not having the independence to think on their own or problem solve on their own, it's like really concerning. And I think that it's something that teachers struggle with and are worried about and we're trying to teach them those things, but if we don't get to them until they're 13 or 14, it's a lot harder than if parents are doing that all along. So thank you to all the parents out there who are making efforts. I know it's really hard and from a teacher, I hope we can continue building up our young people. Thanks so much.

[Elise Hu]

Bye. Lovely to hear. You know, one, one, one area that I always struggle with, or it came up, I guess, over the weekend about when to step in, is if your kid goes down in a sport, sporting match of some sort, like in their on the field, they're injured or potentially injured, like I'm always just like, do I, Am I supposed to do anything? Are they gonna shake it off? Cause Luna had one incident yesterday or the day before, I don't know, she had like back to back games and over the weekend where she was just down on her side in fetal position and then the game was continuing, but then the ref saw that she was down and she stopped it. And I was sort of like, do I need to? Do I need to? And then the coach was like, shake it off, Luna, shake it off. But then I don't know because they're just kind of like down, you know, like, what are you? So I was with my ex husband, Maddie, and we were just like, what? She's probably gonna get up, right? And so we just waited it out and she did, she ended. And we, the coach asked whether she wanted to be subbed. They ran onto the field and made sure she was okay. But yeah, in those like immediate moments, you always wonder in general, I agree that yes, obviously. Try and not hover over your kids when you're worried they're injured. Is the point where I'm like, when am I supposed to. And would it be helpful if I got up? Probably not. I thought, you know, if we get up and go and try and help her or try and like get on the field or whatever, then she'll probably milk it. She'll probably seem more hurt than she actually is. So ended up totally staying back. But that is. That is something that I wrestle with. Yeah.

[Dory Shafrir]

It's always like when Henry falls and I am sort of like waiting, but then another parent or like the coach seems like very concerned. And then I'm like, am I a monster that I'm not like running out onto the field? You know what I mean? And then like I get there and Henry's like, I'm fine. Right.

[Elise Hu]

And most of the time they're fine. And so. Yeah. And if they're not fine, you find out. You'll find out pretty quick.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yeah, totally. Elise, do you want to read this next message?

[Elise Hu]

Happy to. Hi friends, it's me, your Kansas City friend, Ashley. Hello, Ashley. I need your recommendations. And Dory, you might have the best recommendations, but at least chime in. My sister in law is going to be starting ivf. What little care package can I sent her? She doesn't even know what she doesn't know. And quite frankly, neither do I. Having never been through this. I want to get her things to make her comfortable ice packs for the area where she's going to be giving herself shots. But really, Dory, what were the things you used a lot that you didn't know about in the beginning that would have been helpful? While I'm hopeful this is the first and only time, I'm also not naive enough to believe that. So I want to set her up to have the best first experience to take her through this journey. Lots of love from the dumpster fire we call America Butts Forever. You're having to go way back in time.

[Dory Shafrir]

I know. And like, honestly, like I. I like to just have distractions. So, you know, if there's like a great book, cozy mystery, maybe.

[Elise Hu]

Speaking. Speaking for herself.

[Guest or Caller]

Yes.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah, exactly.

[Dory Shafrir]

I think just anything you can send her that like lets her know that you're thinking of her. I don't know, like a cozy blanket or something. I can't. I can't really think of anything like specific to doing ivf. I'm sure there's something, but I just, you know, I don't know. Maybe our listeners have some ideas.

[Elise Hu]

One thing that always takes one thing off of a busy person or an ailing person or an IVF person's list is just dinner. Right.

[Dory Shafrir]

Meals.

[Elise Hu]

And so I do, especially when I have friends who are like going through chemo or they are just home from the hospital from having a newborn, I try and just check in with them and see which night of the week they might want dinner, and I'll just get food sent to them. Because it's just like one thing off your list that you don't have to think about. But everybody's gotta eat. Right? So if there are times, if you could just kind of get on a schedule where you want to do that regularly, I'm sure that's. That would be very much appreciated. It's less of a gift in a care package, but it certainly is a way to show you care.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yeah, for sure. I think that's a really, that's a really nice thought. But just like, being there for her and like, letting her kind of drive the conversation, like letting her know that you're there for her. But I would say, like, not asking about results or just like how it's going, I always found those questions to be like, like, I'll tell you if it's going well and if I'm not saying anything, it's probably a good sign that it's not going well. So maybe don't ask. It's just like my general thought on that. Okay, we're going to take another short break and when we come back, we have another thought and question about burnout and then a skin. A skin related question.

[Elise Hu]

Okay, we'll be right back.

[Dory Shafrir]

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[Elise Hu]

Yep. This happens a lot in my house.

[Dory Shafrir]

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[Elise Hu]

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[Elise Hu]

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[Dory Shafrir]

All right, we are back and we have some questions about burnout for folks burned out and needing career change or additional work. How do people who have worked in one field or niche change careers without an expensive new degree or a secret talent in a side hustle? Has anyone done it? Any HR people have tips on getting an interview with a resume that is clearly all in one field. Also if you do need a break, like the one caller mentioned, what do you do if your partner's not on board with you taking a break or even a pay cut to less stressful work?

[Elise Hu]

All good questions. All good questions without easy answers because they tend to be so individualized. I was actually just talking to Rob last night. We were out at dinner, and he was saying, like, I'm ready for my second act. Because we were talking about, like, he was. He had moved all his things in and so much because he's been a creative his entire life, like, writing screenplays and writing commercials and working at advertising agencies and on television shows. Like, there was just so much, like, physical media that came with him. So there were hard drives and hard drives of his old work. And I think for any creative person, you do have a lot of the things that you created, especially if you created them 20 years ago. You have, like, actual physical evidence of everything you created. Like, I've been digitizing VHS, MiniDV, CAM, BetaCam, and CDs for weeks. I've been on this project, right, because of how much television I've produced, and then subsequently radio. And he was like. And that made him think, actually, like, I need a second act. But how do you have a second act? Like, he's like, I'd love to come up with some sort of snack. Because he had heard that the person who came up with Celsius, you know, the energy drink that's everywhere, came up with Celsius, like, four years ago or something, like, very recently. And then. Which got me thinking to my boss at one of my bosses. I have many bosses. One of my bosses at a kids co. Which owns the parenting podcast I host, and she was on. Was a contestant on Shark Tank. She made this snack called Pipcorn. Yeah, Pipcorn. They originally sold it at, like, the Union Square Farmers Market and went from selling it at the farmer's market to getting, like, Barbara on Shark Tank. I only know who Barbara is because Issa, my middle daughter, watches a lot of Shark Tank. Barbara invested in them from their Shark Tank pitch, and it became. And then it became Oprah's favorite snack. And now she's, like, doing great.

[Dory Shafrir]

So that's crazy.

[Elise Hu]

How do you do that thing? And I don't. I don't know. I'm sure there's, like, a million business books about this to try and break it down into steps, but so much of this is just luck and timing and backing. So those are the questions, you know, like, how do people have. Who have worked in One field, change careers without an expensive new degree or a secret talent. Has anyone done it? And then if you need a break and your partner is not on board with you taking a break or even a pay cut, how do you handle big questions?

[Dory Shafrir]

Big questions.

[Elise Hu]

No easy answers.

[Dory Shafrir]

All right, final question. How do we feel about exosomes and growth factors infiltrating our anti aging serums? They're everywhere right now. Scam. Magic bullet. I've been looking for insight and expert consultation. Welcome. Love the pod. Your new pics on the website look great. Oh, thank you.

[Elise Hu]

Oh, thank you, thank you. Forever35podcast.com I don't know enough about this. I'm not like a chemist and I feel like the people who could answer this are the glow job girls who, who are really into formulations. But I did. I do think this is a great question for this list that we are saving for.

[Dory Shafrir]

For a dermatologist.

[Elise Hu]

For a dermatologist. Because there's a lot of questions that come in for Rachel Goodwin that should probably go to a dermatologist rather than Rachel Goodwin rather than a makeup artist. And so this one could work really well there too. But do you have any feelings about exosomes and growth factors?

[Dory Shafrir]

All I know is kind of like what I've been seeing. I've been seeing chatter on Reddit but it's like hard to say if these are real people. Do you know what I mean? I don't know if these are just like big exosome commenting on Reddit so that I think that they work. But someone did post in one of the Reddit subreddits that I follow, skincare addiction, about some new treatment she had done in Korea that uses growth factor and exosomes and she was like, this is real. Like this actually works. Now I don't know if it's the kind of thing where like it's only going to work if you do the medical grade treatment in the office. You know what I mean? Right.

[Elise Hu]

That's how I feel about pdrn because they put PDRN in everything now.

[Dory Shafrir]

I think yeah, maybe that was one of the things she was talking about. Anyway, just the thing that I buy with growth factor. I don't know if that. I haven't done it. I haven't used it enough to know. I will say that when I did like PRP for hair growth, they do have you put exosomes on like they have you put exitomes on your scalp afterwards. But like I don't know if that really does anything. I don't know the answer is, I don't know. Jury is out. If you have professional thoughts on this, expert thoughts, let us know and we will also do some investigating.

[Elise Hu]

Oh, and I'm happy to try it out in Korea next time I go to Korea. Totally good. Totally down to be a guinea pig.

[Dory Shafrir]

Great. Yes.

[Elise Hu]

All right. Okay, that's it for today.

[Dory Shafrir]

It is it for today. Thanks, everybody. Elise, great to see you. And I will talk to you soon.

[Elise Hu]

Okay, bye.

[Dory Shafrir]

Bye.

[Elise Hu]

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