Mini-Ep 467: We Can Relate

Summary

Forever35 Mini-Ep 467: “We Can Relate”

Hosts: Doree Shafrir & Elise Hu
Date: October 29, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this lively and relatable mini-episode, Doree and Elise answer listeners' questions about skincare, the emotional and financial challenges of caring for aging parents, navigating career changes in today's evolving job market, and ways of supporting friends going through IVF. The conversation is candid, practical, and filled with the hosts’ signature warmth and sense of humor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Doree’s Tennis Nationals Recap (01:43–06:18)

• Brief update: Doree returns from competing in the USTA Recreational Tennis National Championships.
• Highlights:
  • The team made semifinals by a single set.
  • The experience was intense but fun, with teammates bonding over the shared house (with its own tennis court) and road trip.
  • Plans to share more details in the next episode during a special crossover.
• Memorable moment: “People play recreational tennis their whole lives and never get to go to nationals. And I feel really grateful and lucky that I got to go.” — Doree (04:19)

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2. Listener Feedback on Aging Parents (06:26–12:48)

A. Reflections on Culture & Aging

• Episode with Vanessa about caring for aging parents resonated deeply with listeners.
• Elise notes the erasure of older generations:
  “Culture has long valorized youth... In this tech optimization world... we’re sort of not allowed to age...” — Elise (07:10)

B. Financial Realities and Privilege

• A listener raises concern about past advice to “set aside $100,000 for parents’ care”—calling it unrealistic.
• Doree shares her own family’s experience:
  • Grandparents relied on a reverse mortgage and Medicaid for eldercare (08:37–09:45).
  • Recognizes layers of privilege beyond finances—having family support and advocacy.

C. Multigenerational Living & Estrangement

• Challenges of multigenerational households and caring for estranged parents are discussed.
• Powerful listener note:
  “The very things that led me to the difficult decision to become estranged are the ones that reassure me I need not shoulder the burden of caring for that parent ever in the future.” — Listener (11:10–12:05)
• Elise offers support to those with difficult family dynamics, particularly in cultures emphasizing “filial piety” (12:05–12:48).

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3. Skincare Q&A: Vitamin E Oil (15:24–17:18)

• Listener tip: Using vitamin E oil for healing skin and extra moisture.
• Doree: Not a regular user but notes that vitamin C and E are often combined in products.
• Elise:
  • Remembers using vitamin E oil (from capsules) as a lip moisturizer since her teen years.
  • Recommends Sunday Riley CEO Glow Face Oil and Oribe Face & Body Oil.
  • Tips for winter: “Just open up one of the Nature Made supplements, pat it on my lips. It’s a very hacky way to use it.” — Elise (16:23)

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4. Big Career Changes & Skill-Based Hiring (17:34–22:05)

A. Skill-Based Hiring vs. Traditional Degrees (17:34–18:57)

• HR professional writes in: Companies increasingly value skill-based hiring—certifications or project-based skills may hold more weight than a degree.
• Doree acknowledges skepticism about certifications but recognizes their growing relevance.

B. Using AI to Transition Careers (19:14–22:05)

• Listener shares method: Pastes resume and target job description into ChatGPT to tailor both resume and cover letter for new fields.
• Result: “Its recommendations were incredible… I would encourage the listener to try to utilize AI as much as possible... it has been hugely beneficial to me.” — Listener (21:18)
• Doree: “If you’re using AI, I think that’s fine. In this current hellscape of job searching, I don’t fault anyone.” (19:45)

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5. Parenting: Guiding a “Lost” Young Adult (22:13–24:40)

• Parent with a 19-year-old in community college seeks advice on how to help her son find his path—possibly outside the traditional four-year college route.
• Elise’s advice:
  • Focus on what energizes him, not just traditional career paths.
  • “What would he do even if he weren’t paid for it?” (23:25)
  • Encourages valuing a rich leisure life and not tying identity solely to one's job.
• Doree commends the parent's supportive approach.

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6. Supporting Friends through IVF (27:00–30:56)

A. Practical and Comfort Gifts

• Listener suggests:
  • Handheld massager and electric heating pad to alleviate post-injection discomfort during IVF cycles.
    “With them (heat and massage) I did not have any soreness or bruising or lumps.” — Listener (28:17)
• Elise references Dr. Amy Baxter’s TED Talk on vibration for pain relief (28:37).

B. Care Packages & Thoughtful Gestures

• Other practical ideas:
  • “Malicious Women Candle Company” with “badass” and humorous messages.
  • Arrange deliveries of flowers, cupcakes, and luxe self-care treats (Whole Foods or similar) for friends in tough times, not just IVF (29:19–30:44).
  • Elise: “It’s not even just for IVF support… I have a friend whose dog is now in hospice care and I should do it for her today.” (30:44)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Culture has long valorized youth... we’re sort of not allowed to age.” — Elise (07:10)
• “You live for your job or that your job is your identity. You know, we don’t have to be that way either.” — Elise (24:00)
• “If you’re using AI, I think that’s fine. In this current hellscape of job searching, I don’t fault anyone.” — Doree (19:45)
• “Thinking blood is thicker than water has allowed many people to enable and cover for a multitude of sins.” — Listener (11:10)
• “With them I did not have any soreness or bruising or lumps. The shots were tedious but that’s the worst thing I can say about them.” — IVF listener (28:17)

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Important Timestamps

• Doree’s Tennis Nationals Story: 01:43–06:18
• Listener Reactions: Aging Parents: 06:26–12:48
• Skincare & Vitamin E: 15:24–17:18
• Skill-Based Hiring & Career Change: 17:34–22:05
• AI for Job Search: 19:14–22:05
• Parenting a “Lost” 19-Year-Old: 22:13–24:40
• Tips for IVF Support Gifts: 27:00–30:56

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Conclusion

This mini-episode weaves together relatable listener queries and responses around aging, self-care, family, work, and friendship. Doree and Elise, with empathy and wit, offer validation for life’s messiness and practical tips for navigating change—whether in careers, relationships, or self-care routines.

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Transcript

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[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

Hello and welcome to Forever 35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I'm Dory Shafrier.

[Elise Hu]

And I'm Elise Hu. And we're just two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

And this is a mini episode where we hear from you, we share your comments and your thoughts, and we do answer your questions to the best of our. But with that said, we are not experts. We are podcast hosts. We do always encourage you to seek support first and foremost from a medical and or mental health professional as needed.

[Elise Hu]

And we are recording this episode after Dorie has returned triumphant from her recreational tennis team's big trip to the national championships of USTA Recreational tennis.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

It's true.

[Elise Hu]

Give us the readout.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

Well, I'm going to give a brief readout, but we do have a lot to cover today and so I'm going to give more of a readout on a future episode.

[Elise Hu]

Okay.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

So in fact, I believe I will be giving more of a readout on Monday's episode because we have a really great crossover episode coming up.

[Elise Hu]

That's right.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

All right.

[Elise Hu]

We can't say too much about that, but we do have a crossover episode planned for next Monday and you'll hear more about Dory's adventure in Scottsdale, Arizona.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

Yes.

[Elise Hu]

At Nationals.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

The top line takeaways are that it was an amazing Weekend. It was exhausting, but so much fun and really intense. Some crazy shit went down.

[Elise Hu]

Like tiebreaker stuff or like behind the scenes team days.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

No, not behind the scenes really, but like we made the semifinals by one set, which if you know, out of four matches that had five matches each. So it came down to one set. And the way that happened was just so insane. So I will be talking about that more on Monday's episode, so stay tuned. But it was super fun and everyone just played such great tennis, had a good time. The weather was nice. We shared a house. Like the team shared a house. It was just really. It was really nice.

[Elise Hu]

And did the house have a tennis court?

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

Yes, the house had a tennis court. One of my teammates. Yeah, one of my teammates found a house in Scottsdale with a tennis court.

[Elise Hu]

So you could practice.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

So we could practice there. It was like a.

[Elise Hu]

It had.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

It was like a turf surface. I never really played on that, but. And so the balls bounced a little differently. But it was great to just like have a court there to warm up and. Yeah, I think nine of us stayed in the house together.

[Elise Hu]

How cool. How cool.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

So it was super fun. And it's just. Yeah. And I drove there and back with three of my teammates, so I feel especially bonded to them.

[Elise Hu]

Yes. You know, all their favorite gas station snacks. Now, which one's into the combos? Which one's into the Slim Jims? Yes.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

It was really, really great. Definitely feels like, you know, I mean, I don't know, I could never. I might never go to nationals again. Like, people play recreational tennis their whole lives and never get to go to nationals. And I feel really grateful and lucky that I got to go.

[Elise Hu]

Man, I wish I could have been there. I've been listeners, I think in one of our previous casual chats, we talked about how I was going to try and be there because Rob spends half his time in Scottsdale. Um, but the flights to and from Los Angeles to Phoenix were astronomically priced. It was shocking.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

It was shocking. I was just saying to Elise that, you know, the, the ride there was fine, but it was long. And by like Saturday evening, I was really tired and I was like, well, maybe if there's a cheap flight, I'll just fly back in the afternoon. And then I looked at the flights and they were $688 in the afternoon. You could get on a morning flight for like $350. Which also seemed exorbitant for a one way flight that is less than an hour. And so I was like, okay, guess I'll be driving back. Yes. So, yeah. But Rob came to watch.

[Hannah Burner]

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[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

One of our matches, which was so sweet. Someone came up to me and they were like, someone's looking for you. Were you like, they were like, oh, there's Dory. And like, I was like, who is. Am I in trouble?

[Elise Hu]

Have I been called to the principal's office?

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

Right. And then Rob was like, hey. And I was like, oh, my God. Yeah, it was really sweet. And he was like. And he happened to get there at a very intense moment. And I was like, they're in a tie break. It was just. And he was like, whoa. Like, this is. I don't think he was expecting, like, the level of intensity. Intensity from either team.

[Elise Hu]

Sure wasn't.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

It was so, so sweet of him to come.

[Elise Hu]

Good, good.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

So, yeah. So more to come on that. But in the meantime.

[Elise Hu]

Yes. In the meantime, your questions and your voicemails and voice memos.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

Yes, yes. And we've actually gotten quite a bit of feedback on the episode we did with Vanessa about aging parents, some of which we will actually get to next week because there was, like, so much.

[Elise Hu]

Wow.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

Yeah. That I think. And I think people will kind of continue to, like, write and call in about this because it seems to have really, like, struck a chord with a lot of people. So first off, we have a text that said. Just wanted to say I found Monday's episode about aging parents very refreshing and validating. It is a perspective we don't get to hear much these days due to changes in our culture.

[Elise Hu]

Culture has long valorized youth, but in this tech optimization world we're in constantly optimizing for everything, including our bodies. We're sort of not allowed to age. I mean, we talk about this with respect to our skin, but it's like it makes so many large swaths of the population, like, have to disappear into the shadows, you know, And I don't want to disappear into the shadows. I don't want to not have digital solutions or just solutions, you know, community based solutions for what is a major demographic shift, which is there's so many boomers who are now in their 70s and 80s. Yeah. And we've got to take care of each other and take care of our parents and so. And it's so exorbitantly expensive. Which actually gets into the next text.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

Yes.

[Elise Hu]

Just to piggyback off of Wednesday's texture re episode 374 with Vanessa, I also felt overwhelmed by the financial privilege. I know it was an example, but the advice to set aside some money, like $100,000 is so wildly unrealistic for most people. My parents have nearly nothing to their names, and I hate to think I'm alone in this. I would have liked to hear options for those of us who have parents that didn't or couldn't set themselves or their children up. Thank you for reporting on this important subject, though.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

So I didn't really talk about this in the episode because I felt like we were sharing Vanessa's story.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

But my grandparents basically had nothing when they got older, and they were only able to stay in their home because they had a reverse mortgage. And when my grandmother died, my grandfather, I mean, he couldn't function like he was. He couldn't take care of himself, but he couldn't really take care of himself. And she had died because she fell. They were still in their house. They were still, like, mentally fine. And so my mom kind of arranged to move him up to the Boston area to move into a nursing home. And she was able to get it. She was able to get it covered by Medicaid because he had, like, zero assets. He didn't own the home anymore because they'd done a reverse mortgage. And that means you basically, like, sell it back to the bank. So, yeah, I want to, like, offer that. Like, they definitely did not have $100,000 saved. They had, like, no, they had, like, nothing to their name. But yeah, so I worry about how.

[Elise Hu]

Predatory some of these banks are too, for seniors too, because, like, you watch Fox News and half of the commercials are like anti blood coagulants, and then the other half are reverse mortgages. But yeah, there needs to be a whole lot much larger structural change toward caregiving.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

Totally.

[Elise Hu]

Not only for the very old, but also the very young.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

Yes. And, you know, I also just want to acknowledge they obviously had, like, there are levels of privilege. Like, they had no financial assets, but they had my mom who was able to, like, spend the time to figure out how to make it all happen and get him into a home that would take Medicaid. And, you know, so he had that, you know, and I don't know, it's. There's definitely, like many layers of privilege involved, even if you don't have the financial assets. So I just want to, like, acknowledge that too. But kind of, you know, the. The listener who wrote in last week talking about, you know, why didn't we talk about multigenerational households? I mean, there was no, I don't think there was any world in which my parents could move my grandfather into their apartment like that you know, that wasn't really an option either, so it's tough.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah, it's a structural problem in the way we live, where this country favors these nuclear families, but that's an incredibly, totally vulnerable unit.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

Yep, yep, Exactly. Okay, and last message about this before we take a break. Hi, Dorian. Elise, thank you for having Vanessa on to talk about aging parents. It's a topic that scares me, so it's nice to dip a toe into it with the lovely community you've created. One thing that jumped out at me during the interview was the conversation about estrangement. I've long been estranged from a parent 20 plus years, and it's given me immeasurable peace over the years. The very things that led me to the difficult decision to become estranged are the ones that reassure me that I need not shoulder the burden of caring for that parent ever in the future. I know not everyone has reached a similar stage of peace and wanted to speak up about it, lest that interview leave them with guilt or doubt that does not serve them. Thinking blood is thicker than water has allowed many people to enable and cover for a multitude of sins.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah, especially in some cultures, you know, that really favor, like, filial piety, like Asian cultures like mine. You know, one of my closest friends has decided to become estranged from her father, who was very, you know, in lots of ways, emotionally abusive and toxic towards her. And she still kind of goes back and forth on like, oh, but, you know, he deserves to see his grandkids and, you know, I still need to check up on him. And this whole sort of going back and forth, forth on it because of the values that you learn, you know, respect your elders. Respect your elders. And that's true for so many other cultures. So, yeah, it's like, give yourself a lot of grace, I think, is just the only overarching advice that we can give because everybody's situation is unique.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

Yes, that's a really. That's a really important point. If you would like to weigh in on this, you can call or text us at 781-591-0390. You can email us at forever35podcastmail.com you can also email us voice memos at that address. You can Visit our website, forever35podcast.com we have links there to everything we mentioned on the show. We are on Instagram @forever35podcast, and we have a [e-mail] newsletter. And you can shop our favorite products at Shopmy Us Forever35. And after the break, we have a bunch of messages about career change.

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Second.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

Acts, second acts and also a request for feedback on some skincare stuff.

[Elise Hu]

So, okay, great.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

Stay tuned. We'll be right back.

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[Listener Caller 1]

Hi Doreen, Elise, have you or anyone in the POD group ever used vitamin E oil for moisturizing your skin? I do and I find it really helpful. When the weather changes or when I need kind of a little bit of extra moisturizer, I usually do that and then we'll put petroleum or something along those and I notice a pretty good difference in my skin also, like if I've picked anything and it's healing, the vitamin E oil usually helps heal that pretty quickly as well. So I was just curious on any feedback about that.

[Elise Hu]

Dori, are you a vitamin E user devotee?

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

I am not. I'm a vitamin C user. Although vitamins C and E are often combined like the SkinCeuticals CE Ferulic is vitamin C and vitamin E. I when.

[Elise Hu]

When I was little, I don't know, I read some Seventeen magazine or something about vitamin E oil on your lips and so I got like a bottle of vitamin E pills, you know, like just the supplement and you can just open them up and I would use that. Yeah, I would just open them up and use that on my lips and I actually found it very hydrating. So I like that in the winter. I also like face and body oils and I think I've talked about this before. The body oil I really like is the Oribe face and body oil for face oils. Sunday Riley does that CEO glow oil that I like a lot and I think that they have supported us in the past. You can also find it at Sephora and that's a good one too. But I don't know if it has vitamin E in it. To the extent I use vitamin E, I just open up one of the nature made supplements, pat it on my lips. It's a very hacky way to use it.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

I'd love to hear if other listeners have found vitamin E in any form helpful. So if you have, let us know. All right, and now we're going to move on to a completely different topic. Elise, do you want to read this next email?

[Elise Hu]

Sure. I am responding to the caller who was asking about making a career change without getting an expensive degree. I work in HR and want to share my perspective. Many companies are now shifting towards something called skill based hiring versus degree hiring. That means hiring managers are looking for people who can show that they have certain skills versus a degree in a certain field. Let's say someone wants to work in project management. They can take a course in project management, often at a reasonable cost, and receive a certificate which certifies that they have project management skills and can work as a project manager. I suggest the caller to start thinking about what they enjoy doing, what energizes them and what comes easy to them. And then put these things into a generative AI tool and ask what skills or roles these interests could translate to and then look into certificate programs or certifications that they could get. Also, if the caller is currently employed at a company, many have tuition reimbursement programs for their employees that also cover certificate or certification programs. This might be something else to look into. Good luck on this journey.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

Okay, this is great advice. I. I am always curious whether those like certifications or courses are like if anyone cares about them, you know what I mean? Or are they Just sort of like money grabs, like, I, I, I can't tell. So it's like, interesting to hear this person say that. Maybe some hiring managers actually do look at those.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah, yeah. I think for certain methods, like, you know, the Agile Scrum method, like, you people want you to be certified in that if that's the kind of project management system that they use in their shop, you know, so it could be, could be helpful, especially if it's low cost to get the certification.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

Sure, for sure. All right. And now we have a voicemail that some people might consider a little controversial because it involves how people can use AI to help them with the job search. My view on this is that job searching right now is so messed up and hard that if you're using AI, I think that's fine. In this, like, current hellscape of job searching. I don't fault anyone for using AI at all. And I do think it's, like, helpful to hear about how you can use AI to help you in your job search. I think we got to do whatever it takes to get jobs right now. So that's where I stand. Yeah. I do not speak for Elise, so she might.

[Elise Hu]

Well, I told you I saw that chart that eating beef is way worse than a simple search. And so now I'm like, I need to cut back on my beef and.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

I already don't eat beef. So, you know, it's like, I've bought carbon. Have your search or something.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah, have your search.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

Exactly. All right, here we go.

[Listener Caller 1]

Hey, Dory and Elise. This message is for the caller that was looking to switch fields completely and wondered how to switch and was asking for HR folks to weigh in. Like, if your resume is all one thing, how do you switch to something else? And this might be a controversial recommendation, but I work for the federal government and it's terrible out there and we're all scrambling. And I've done this my whole career, like 20 years. But for obvious reasons, I'm starting to work outside of the federal government. And I attached into chat GPT my current resume and the job description that I wanted to apply to, which was outside of the federal government. And I said, I just talked to it like, like I was a person. I was like, I've worked for the federal government doing this forever with tribes, with federally recognized tribes, but I want to work for a law firm with tribes doing policy stuff. Can you make my resume turn it some of federal facing resume to like a law firm resume? And within literal seconds, it's advice. And its recommendations were Incredible. And then I asked it to spit out a cover letter which was also incredible. It all needs editing and it's not perfect, but like I would encourage the listener to try to utilize AI as much as possible and really say like these are the qualities I have. This is what I want to go to, tailor it towards this. And it honestly is really incredible. I know there's like an environmental impact. I work at epa. I get it, AI and the water resources. But I mean really use it as a tool for you. And it's been hugely beneficial to me.

[Elise Hu]

Okay. It is amazing what some of these models can do and help you think of. So thank you for calling.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

And now this is also a career related question, but on kind of a different, different angle. Okay, so a listener named Coco wrote in and said, hi Dorian. Elise. I have a 19 year old son who never really loves school, although he did well in high school and is now attending community college. Both my husband and I have degrees from four year colleges and it never really occurred to me when my son was younger that he wouldn't follow in our footsteps in that way. He does not know what he wants to study and or if community college is the right path for him. We have talked to him about looking into the trades as well. My question is, have other listeners experienced this? How did you help your child explore what is out there for them? Any recommendations on where to turn to help them find their way? I know we can't do it for him, nor should we, but I just want to give him some ideas about where to look. He seems a bit lost these days. Thank you for reading this and for all you ladies do love the Forever 35 community. I mean who isn't lost these days?

[Listener Caller 2]

I know.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

First of all, I really sympathize. 19 year olds are not the only ones lost these days. But correct to your question. Elise, do you have any thoughts on this? This is sort of like I would.

[Elise Hu]

Actually go back to the voicemail that we just heard earlier in the show about what do you love? What does he love? What does he find easy doing like what would he do even if he weren't paid for it? I feel like that's always a great place to start because I think that I would be chatting with friends at and it doesn't have to be at a mic, but asking questions and exploring ideas even if I weren't paid for it. And so it's just like a huge privilege that I get to do it for work and get paid for it, you know, so maybe, maybe like Observe. You know, everybody has things that make them feel more alive and more energized and observe that in your son. And that could lead to a path. The other way to think about it is just to get a job and do the job that's a job. And this maybe can be kind of a grind, but then have really a rich leisure life, you know, have a, have a rich life with hobbies and friends and community outside of whatever you do for work. And you can kind of like separate the two because we don't all have to buy into the mantra that your work is your family and the. And that, you know, you live for your job or that your job is your identity. You know, we don't have to be that way either. So there's different ways to take it.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

I love that advice and it sounds like you're a really supportive parent and I just want to, like, acknowledge that. So, yeah, thanks for, thanks for being supportive of your, of your son. All right, we are going to take another short break and when we come back, we have a couple suggestions for the listener who wrote in or called in recently about how to support a friend of hers going through ivf. So we got some great suggestions from listeners.

[Elise Hu]

All right, I'm looking forward to it.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

All right, we'll be right back.

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[Listener Caller 1]

Wow.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

It's never too late. And they say I'm writing In regards to the listener who was asking for suggestions for an IVF care package for her sister in law, there are actually two things that really helped me and would be easy to gift. They are good handheld vibrating massager and an electric heating pad. My son was born through IVF almost four years ago. We had to do two cycles so it was approximately four months in total of daily progesterone shots in my butt. Oh been there. I'd read about lots of people suffering terrible bruising and lumps and soreness from these shots and so I was looking for all the tips to avoid this. The ones that I kept seeing repeated were heat and massaging. When it was time for my shot I would lie down on my stomach and just relax with the heating pad on my butt for about 10 minutes. My husband would administer the shot. Look up Dr. Lisa on YouTube for the best technique for this.

[Elise Hu]

We'll link to that.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

Then he would use the massager on the injection site through the heating pad for five minutes. We did not try doing any shots without heating and massage so I don't know if I would have been fine without them. But with them I did not have any soreness or bruising or lumps. The shots were tedious but that's the worst thing I can say about them. Love you guys and thanks so much for all that you do.

[Elise Hu]

Elizabeth this actually made me remember a ted talk that Dr. Amy Baxter gave. She is a pain expert and she's been like researching pain and reduction of pain and reduction in how we feel pain for her whole career and found that like the buzz like buzzing and vibration is Something that really reduces pain. And so we need to be using, yes, like, vibrating massage, a lot more than, you know, than we do. So that's what made me think of it. There's a TED Talk, Dr. Amy Baxter. It is hilarious and enlightening. So check that out and thank you to the caller.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

Okay, very cool. Thank you for that. All right, and to wrap things up.

[Listener Caller 2]

We have a voicemail, two recommendations for the what to send to a friend going through IVF or anything else that's really hard. One is the Malicious Women Candle company on Amazon. They have really funny sayings on them. And, like, they're. You just have to go look at them. Like, one of them is the badass in me. Honors the badass in you. Just funny things like that. And I sent one to my friend, like, completely, like, unannounced. And she got it and she just thought it was hilarious and, you know, so she would, like, light it whenever she wanted to kind of think about me and know that I was thinking of her. And then the other thing that my friends did for me, I think, after one of my kids was born, was if you have, like, Whole Foods or another, like, fancy grocery store near you that you can do delivery, they had just a bunch of stuff delivered to my door. And like, the nice thing about someplace like Whole Foods is, like, you can deliver flowers and cupcakes and face masks and, you know, just granola bars, like, different. Like, they picked out, like, just fun treats that I would have never bought for myself. And they just appeared at the door, you know, with flowers and cupcakes and was just a really nice thing. Those are both things that you can do also for someone who doesn't live near you at all, which is great.

[Elise Hu]

Okay, bye. I really like that. And it's not even just for IVF support, too. Like, I have a friend whose dog is now in hospice care and I should do it for her today, you know, so that's great.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

Oh, that's a bummer. I'm sorry about your friend.

[Elise Hu]

Oh, pets. Yeah. Aging pets. So hard.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

Well, everyone, thank you so much for listening, for writing in, for calling in, and we will talk to you again soon. For those of you on the Patreon, we will talk to you on Friday in the casual chat.

[Elise Hu]

That's right. Talk soon.

[Dorian (Dory) Shafrier]

Bye.

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