Mini-Ep 478: Change Your Mind, Change Your Life

Summary

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Forever35 Mini-Ep 478: Change Your Mind, Change Your Life

Hosts: Doree Shafrir & Elise Hu
Date: February 4, 2026

Episode Overview

This mini-episode of Forever35 is full of listener questions, practical self-care tips, and thoughtful conversations about real-life changes—big and small. Doree and Elise chat candidly about everything from co-working spaces and comfortable pants to deeper life changes and career pivots, bringing trademark warmth, humor, and honesty.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Life Updates & Connections Outside the Home

Timestamps: 03:15–08:08

• Elise’s Co-Working Adventures: Elise tells a lively story about visiting her Venice co-working space, meeting new people, and encountering a potential connection for her documentary. Oscar, her dog, steals the show with his charm and treat appeal.
  • "You never know who you're going to run into when you get out of the house is the lesson there." (Elise, 05:23)
• Doree’s Tennis Tournament: Doree shares excitement about her team getting a wild card for sectional, making it a "last hurrah" at their current level before moving up.
• Traveling and Sports: Both hosts bond over weekend sport commitments—Doree with tennis, Elise with her kids' futsal activities—and seeing more of Southern California due to their kids' tournaments.

2. Listener Advice: Navigating Snoring Problems

Timestamps: 10:13–11:29

• Listener’s Story: A listener reports a successful outcome after their husband had surgery for a deviated septum. Although not a total cure, it transformed their sleep quality.
  • "He does still snore, but it's so much lighter, slash quieter than before. I'm no longer woken up by it in the middle of the night. So I’d say it was a success." (Doree, 10:41)
• Elise’s Anecdote: Elise brings up a photographer whose voice changed after a similar surgery—a reminder of how medical interventions can be surprising game changers.

3. Comfy Pant Recommendations for Travel & Postpartum

Timestamps: 14:31–21:29

• Listener Requests: Two listeners seek advice: one for travel pants, and another for comfortable postpartum pants (specifically after a C-section). Doree notes there’s "a lot of overlap" in needs for comfort and flexibility.
• CozeyEarth Bamboo Jogger (Listener rec.): Soft, versatile; Doree and Elise praise bamboo as a material (15:18–15:54).
• Athleta Retreat Linen High-Rise Wide-Leg Pant: Great for flights, non-constricting, comes in regular, tall, and petite—appreciated by both hosts for its comfort and pockets (16:04–17:14).
• Old Navy Bounce Fleece Collection: A dupe for more expensive loungewear brands Varley and Worry, minus a drawstring. Both hosts have fun with a story about pantsing and note that Old Navy and Athleta share parent companies (18:02–21:10).
  • "Why do I need a hundred-dollar one when I can get one for $24.99?" (Elise, 20:06)
• Tips on Fit: Doree notes that Varley tops can be too substantial and recommends sizing down for the right fit.

4. Career Change: Is It Too Late to Start Over?

Timestamps: 24:45–28:19

• Listener Dilemma: A 36-year-old listener with two small kids wonders if it’s "totally insane" to contemplate going back to school for a career change into therapy or school psychology.
  • "Is it totally insane to want to go down this path at this point in life?" (Listener email, 24:53)
• Hosts' Perspectives:
  • Doree: Encourages practical consideration of finances, household support, and whether part-time grad school is possible. Offers the example of a friend who went to therapy school while working full-time, even at an older age (25:33–28:19).
  • Elise: Shares recent examples—friend from her neighborhood and a writer who transitioned to law school in his 40s—to demonstrate it’s "doable if your family system can support it" (26:15–27:37).
• Invitation for More Stories: Doree encourages listeners who've made major pivots to write in with their experiences.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Unexpected Outcomes from Venturing Out:
  • "You never know who you’re going to run into when you get out of the house is the lesson there." (Elise, 05:23)
• On Comfort Clothing:
  • "The comfy pants is basically a circle." (Doree, 15:05)
  • "Why do I need a hundred-dollar one when I can get one for $24.99?" (Elise, 20:06)
• On Career Change Anxiety:
  • "Is it totally insane to want to go down this path at this point in life?" (Listener, 24:53)
  • "Plenty of people start all over and start from scratch at sort of midlife." (Elise, 26:15)
• Anecdotes with Humor:
  • Elise laughs about her brother getting suspended for pantsing in third grade, and follows up with gear recs—reminding listeners these are real conversations about everyday lives.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:15–08:08 — Life Updates & Co-Working, Sports, & Social Connections
• 10:13–11:29 — Listener Letter: Snoring, Surgery, and Marital Sleep Harmony
• 14:31–21:29 — Comfy Pants Recommendations (Travel/Postpartum)
• 24:45–28:19 — Career Change: Advice and Real-Life Examples

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Summary Tone

The episode maintains a conversational, supportive, and practical tone—infused with humor and warmth. The hosts are candid about their own experiences, encourage honest conversations, and build community by sharing listener feedback and their own anecdotes. If you’re seeking real advice about self-care, lifestyle upgrades, or navigating life’s fork-in-the-road moments, this mini-episode will feel like chatting with good friends.

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Transcript

[Hayden]

Howdy, howdy ho, and welcome to Fantasy Fan Fellas. I'm Hayden, producer of the Fantasy Fangirls podcast and your resident lover of all things Sanderson.

[Stephen]

And I'm Stephen, your bookish Internet goofball. But you can call me the Smash Daddy.

[Hayden]

And we are currently deep diving Brandon Sanderson's fantasy epic Mistborn. But here's the catch. Steven here has not read Mistborn before.

[Stephen]

That's right.

[Dory Shafrir]

Hey.

[Stephen]

Hey. So each week you'll get my unfiltered raw reactions to every single chapter.

[Hayden]

And along the way we'll do character deep dives, magic explainers, and Steven will even try to guess what's next. Spoiler Al he'll be wrong.

[Stephen]

News flash, I'm never wrong. Episodes come out every Wednesday and you can find Fantasy Fan fellows wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dory Shafrir]

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[Elise Hu]

I get it.

[Dory Shafrir]

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[Elise Hu]

And I'm Elise Hu and we're just two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.

[Dory Shafrir]

And this is a mini episode where we hear from you, we share your comments and your Thoughts. And we answer your questions to the best of our ability. But on that note, please remember, we are not experts. We are podcast hosts. And we always encourage you to seek support first and foremost from a medical and or mental health professional as needed.

[Elise Hu]

Speaking of mental health professionals, over the last couple of weeks we've been talking about one of our listeners who wanted to break up with her mental health professional. Her therapist.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yes.

[Elise Hu]

And she wrote, just for those of you who've been following, she wrote in our Patreon chat that she did successfully say farewell, bid adieu to said therapist. It happened.

[Dory Shafrir]

It all happened. We're so happy for you, listener.

[Elise Hu]

What a journey.

[Dory Shafrir]

What a journey. Elise, what's going on?

[Elise Hu]

I spent the morning at my co working space, which is why I was a little late to this taping. So I joined that co working space town in Venice and it was so much fun. Every once in a while I like, well, first of all, I'm trying to take advantage of the membership. So I try and go at least once a week. And this week I was gonna go anyway because we tape Raising Us my parenting podcast from the Lighthouse that that work co working space often now. And this morning we just, I took Rob as my guest because I get guest guest passes. And this morning we just decided to go and bring Oscar the dog. And Oscar loves it because everyone wants to pet him and give him treats, and he's just like, this is the best. And then he comes home and he's totally exhausted. But it was funny today we were standing in the lobby and met two people as we were like, waiting to go in. One of them recognized Rob and was like, I knew you're, you know, and you worked with my brother or whatever. And so because Rob's been in like the creative community for a long time. And so he saw an old friend that he hadn't seen in 10 years. And then this woman was like, and what are yalls names? And we said, hi. It's just like a very friendly ethic there. And yeah, this woman, she was like, I don't know how we got onto this. I mentioned that I was making this documentary about the fires. And she was like, I represent an Olympian who went to Pali High, which happens to be one of the schools that burned. Yes. And is a school that one of our kids in the film attends. And I was like, really? Do they want to be an EP on a documentary? And she's like, maybe. I mean, that's his school. Like, the fact that this is happening, I have chills. And so Anyway, she was really excited about that. And so we've followed up. Yeah. So already there have been some connections, so I don't know, I feel like that's like my latest update. Kind of excited about that. You never knew. Know who you're going to run into when you get out of the house is the lesson there.

[Dory Shafrir]

Ain't that the truth.

[Elise Hu]

Maybe I should leave my house sometimes.

[Dory Shafrir]

I mean, you leave your house a lot, to be fair.

[Elise Hu]

But now I sound like a prostitute. Like, maybe you should leave your house. Not at night.

[Dory Shafrir]

Well,

[Elise Hu]

yeah. Yeah. So that's what's going on. What about you? What. What's happening? You just, like, trying to live out your intention lately? Just keeping it. Keeping it focused?

[Dory Shafrir]

Yeah. Just trying to, like, keep it focused and not, you know, stress out too much. I have yet another tennis tournament this weekend. Wow. Because my, like, lower rated team, my 2.5 team got a wild card for sectional, so we didn't win the league. We had the same record as the team that won the league, but we had won, like, fewer games over the course of the season. But we got a wild card. So we're going. And it's kind of fun because all, like, pretty much all of us got bumped up to 3.0. So it's like our. Our last hurrah at 2, at 2. 5. So it'll be fun. I'm only going for one night. It's a shorter tournament than the. Than the other one.

[Elise Hu]

So is it also out in the desert?

[Dory Shafrir]

Yes, it is. In the same. They do it in the same place over there.

[Elise Hu]

All right.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yeah. Just two weeks later last year they did it one like they did the following weekend. So I did the first tournament, came back on Sunday, and then I had to go back on Thursday. Wow. So I'm just. I'm glad. First of all, they were, like, reversed this year. So I did 3.0first and it's 2. They're two weeks apart, which is nice.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah.

[Dory Shafrir]

So.

[Elise Hu]

So you get a little bit of a break.

[Dory Shafrir]

Get a little break. Not that I'm, like, mad about having to drive out to the desert, but. Right. It is a long drive, so maybe.

[Elise Hu]

Maybe you'll pass beautiful Norco, where. Which is halfway out to the desert where I spent last weekend for Luna's tournament. I'm seeing so much of Southern California.

[Dory Shafrir]

I was gonna say you are really getting a grand tour of Southern Calif. I have definitely driven through Corona. I am not familiar with Norco, California. It's.

[Elise Hu]

It's conveniently only 10 minutes away from Corona. So you probably will drive past it.

[Dory Shafrir]

All right, well, you know, that's fine for you.

[Elise Hu]

Yes.

[Dory Shafrir]

All the places, all the fun places. So, yeah, just, you know, living my, living my best tennis life.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah, good.

[Dory Shafrir]

But otherwise just, you know, recording podcasts and trying to get all my other done. But do you have any, do you have any soccer or volleyball tournaments this weekend?

[Elise Hu]

Actually just futsal. I have futsal this weekend. Futsal is like soccer with a smaller ball and usually indoors. Right. I think that's the general thing. And, and there's smaller teams. I think they play like 5v5 instead of like 7v7 or 9v9. So I just have that. It's not really a tournament. I think they're just, it's just like to stay skill, keep their skills up in this interim period. I don't know when the actual season starts because there are still some end of season tournaments going on. I'm trying to think if I have anything exciting going on this weekend. Wuthering Heights, the movie with Jacob Elordi, just premiered last night. Like the official premiere where all the stars go because one of our friends works on that or he works for Warner Brothers and he was there with his wife. And I asked if it was good. I asked his wife. I was like, oh my gosh, how was it? Because I'm so excited about it. Heath Heathcliff, literature, you know, of. Of Wuthering Heights, the story, that character that Jacob Elordi plays is like literature's most famous fuckboy. And so I'm so excited to see what, how, how Emerald Fedel, the director, who also directed him in Saltburn, how she handles it. And she was like, it was really great. He's super hot in it, but not enough sex. She's like, this is marketed as a really sexy film. But she was like, if you ask me, not enough, not enough. So I'm so excited about that film, but I don't think it comes out officially until Valentine's Day. I believe it's a Valentine's Day release. And so, yeah, I don't know what I'm going to do this weekend. I don't have any, like big exciting plans. Besides, I wouldn't call futsal a big exciting plan.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yeah, futsal is probably not a big exciting plan, with all due respect to footsall.

[Elise Hu]

To Footsall, right.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yeah, exactly. Before we take a break, I do just want to read one text that we got from a listener because they had some thoughts about our other listeners snoring issue.

[Elise Hu]

Oh, right. Okay, let's hear it.

[Dory Shafrir]

So they wrote My husband has always snored really loudly. Was tested for sleep apnea, but came back negative. Just like our listener. He went to see an ENT who found he had a deviated septum and that was causing his snoring to be so bad. He had surgery a few years ago and it's definitely made a big difference. It was not a hundred percent cure. He does still snore, but it's so much lighter, slash quieter than before. I'm no longer woken up by it in the middle of the night. So I'd say it was a success. The recovery wasn't easy, but in the long run, we both agree it was worth it.

[Elise Hu]

That's great. I had a photographer I worked with who I guess it was a deviated septum or like such a serious sinus problem that after he got surgery, his voice was totally different. Like he sounded completely different than he was than he sounded before. It was probably because he was so stuffed up for the entire time that I knew him.

[Dory Shafrir]

Oh, wow.

[Elise Hu]

So these surgeries can be real game changers for sure.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yeah. So, okay. Worth another, another possibility for this listener to check out. All right, if you want to reach us, you can call or text us at 781-591-0390. You can email us at forever35podcastgmail.com. Our website is forever35podcast.com we have links there to everything we talk about on the show. Our Instagram is Forever35podcast podcast. Our Patreon is patreon.com Forever35. We have a ton of bonus content on there. Monthly pop culture episodes, casual chats, Forever 35 questionnaires, ad free episodes. The list goes on. So that's at patreon.com Forever35. And our favorite products are Shop My Us slash Forever 35. All right, we are going to take a short break and when we come back, we have some comfy pant recommendations.

[Elise Hu]

Cannot wait. We'll be right back.

[Dory Shafrir]

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[Hayden]

Howdy, howdy ho, and welcome to Fantasy Fan Fellas. I'm Hayden, producer of the Fantasy Fangirls podcast and your resident lover of all things Sanderson.

[Stephen]

And I'm Stephen, your bookish Internet goofball. But you can call me the smash daddy.

[Hayden]

And we are currently deep diving Brandon Sanderson's fantasy epic Mistborn. But here's the catch. Steven here has not read Mistborn before.

[Stephen]

That's right.

[Dory Shafrir]

Hey.

[Stephen]

Hey. So each week, you'll get my unfiltered raw reactions to every single chapter.

[Hayden]

And along the way, we'll do character deep dives, magic explainers, and Steven will even try to guess what's next. Spoiler alert. He'll be wrong.

[Stephen]

News flash, I'm never wrong. Episodes come out every Wednesday, and you can find Fantasy Fan fellows wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dory Shafrir]

All right, we are back. And as promised, we have Comfy Pantry recommendations. I mean, the person who wrote in. So we had two people write in for pan recommendations. We had one person who's looking for travel pants.

[Elise Hu]

Yes.

[Dory Shafrir]

And then another person who was looking for pants for postpartum. Specifically after a C section. So I do actually feel like there's a lot of overlap.

[Elise Hu]

Yes.

[Dory Shafrir]

In these two pants populations. So perhaps the Venn diagram of. Yeah.

[Elise Hu]

The comfy pants is basically a circle.

[Dory Shafrir]

Exactly. Yes. So perhaps you will find what you're. What you were looking for in some of these recommendations. Elise, you want to take this first one?

[Elise Hu]

Sure. They recommend this. Listener recommends the cozy Earth bamboo jogger equals my favorite comfy pant. Travel or lounging at home. So good for travel and good for postpartum. Cozy Earth runs lots of sales, so wait until you can get a 25 to 30% off discount code.

[Dory Shafrir]

Okay. Hot tip.

[Elise Hu]

Like that. I like that.

[Dory Shafrir]

I love bamboo. Just like as a material, it's so soft and silky. When Henry was a baby, my favorite PJs for him were bamboo.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah. Yeah. They have swaddle. Swaddle blankets that are really soft and bamboo also. Yeah.

[Dory Shafrir]

All right.

[Elise Hu]

Okay.

[Dory Shafrir]

Another wreck. Yes, another wreck. This one came in via email and they said, I got these Athleta pants in black a year ago on sale and they're the retreat linen high rise, wide leg pant. And we will link to those. And they say, I had an eight hour flight in December and they were amazing. And I feel strongly about not wearing tight circulation restricting pants on planes. These are comfortable and roomy. They have zippered pockets, so you're not at risk to have things like earbuds drop out when sitting on a plane.

[Elise Hu]

Oh, that's a problem.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yes, totally. They have a wide drawstring waistband that is comfortable. And they come in petite length for short folks like myself. Thanks. Take care. Ooh, these do look nice. And they come in tall. I will say.

[Elise Hu]

I clicked on that link. I really like the, the, like taupe ones and then the white ones. I have a pair of white ones from cotton on that I really like. That's a separate recommendation for linen pants, like drawstring linen pants. But I really like the ones that are sort of taupe or tan in this athletic collection. So.

[Dory Shafrir]

Huh.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah.

[Dory Shafrir]

These look really nice. I always worry. I guess it doesn't matter. I'm. I'm always like, is linen gonna get wrinkly? But I guess it doesn't. Like again, it doesn't matter.

[Elise Hu]

It's sort of wrinkle. Wrinkly by design. That's. That is not. That's its natural state. So.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yes, exactly. So I like it. Who cares? Yeah. So they come in regular, tall and petite lengths. The regular sizes run from extra, extra small up to 3x and then the tall is extra small to XL and the petite is extra extra small to large. They come in a bunch of different colors, so. All right, Great wreck. These look great. Okay, do you want to read this next one?

[Elise Hu]

Sure. It's also about travel pants. And the texter writes, hot tip for travel pants. I own Varley and Worry sets and swore off all other joggers as not soft or luxe enough. And then a friend tipped me off to a dupe made by Old Navy. Gasp. They wrote gasp. So I had to do the sound effect. Yeah. Which they call their bounce fleece collection. I was skeptical, but then got a pair and am convinced that the textile engineers slash clothes scientists. Not sure what they're called at Old Navy Got something right. Full disclosure. Downside is they don't have drawstrings. So if you survived a middle school era where kids de pantsed each other, pulled your pants down, these might not be for you. It's so funny she brings up this era because the one time my brother, I think he got suspended from school for, like, three days because he pantsed some girl in gym class when he was in third grade. Oh, my God. Roger. Hugh. Always getting in trouble. Always getting in trouble. Yeah. My mom was, like, beside herself. He thought it was hilarious.

[Dory Shafrir]

I'm sure these do look cozy. And Old Navy and Athleta are owned by the same company, so these also come in regular, tall, and petite. The regular go up to 4x. They do look very cozy. And I will say that the bounce fleece sweatshirt looks a lot like the Varley sweatshirt.

[Elise Hu]

It sure does. I mean, okay, to be fair, all quarter zips. All quarter zips and half zips tend to be the same, but yeah, the Varley is like, it has, like, the big, roomy arms and then is sort of cropped in the exact same way. This Bounce fleece.

[Dory Shafrir]

Yeah.

[Elise Hu]

Like it.

[Dory Shafrir]

They really look similar, which.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah. Why do I need a hundred dollar one when I can get one for 24.99? Exactly. I. I didn't even afford the entire Varley set. I just have the Varley top, as I mentioned before, because it's expensive. For the full set, it would have been, like, more than two Hyundai, so. So maybe it's time to move over to bounce fleece. Yeah. Yeah. And also, this will look really cute at a volleyball tournament, you know, when I'm volleyball momming.

[Dory Shafrir]

Oh, totally. Yes. You can get matching colors. I can't remember if I mentioned this, but I did once get the Varley quarter zip from Nuuly when I was doing newly.

[Elise Hu]

How'd you like it?

[Dory Shafrir]

They have a bunch of Varley stuff. Yeah, I did like it. I actually found it to be, like, almost too substantial.

[Elise Hu]

Oh, okay.

[Dory Shafrir]

Like, I found it to be very thick, and I like. I. I don't know. I felt like it sort of, like, swallowed me a little bit, but it was definitely. It felt like high quality, for sure.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah, Yeah, I think you have. The trick is to size. I like to wear, like, my sweat stuff a little bigger, and so I usually like to order maybe a medium or a large, but I think I went because I. Because of the way it looked. I think I sized down on the top, and it was the right choice because they're oversized a little bit.

[Dory Shafrir]

I think I should have sized down probably. Okay, well these are all hot tips and we are going to take another short break and when we come back we have a sort of like big existential question. So you know we love digging into these.

[Elise Hu]

We sure do.

[Dory Shafrir]

All right, we will be right back.

[Elise Hu]

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[Dory Shafrir]

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[Elise Hu]

Yeah. I have been in a career slump for some time now and naively thought my next big thing would eventually just come to me. As of late, the only idea that excites me is going back to school and starting fully over. I want to become either a licensed therapist or school psychologist, but would have to start basically from the ground up. I'm 36 and have two small children and plenty of school debt already, but I can't find a job that fills my cup. And I've been thinking about this for a long time. Is it totally insane to want to go down this path at this point in life? I worry that I'll feel like I'm distracting myself from the kids, but really I'm working full time as it is and not enjoy myself. Let me know what you think. What's your initial reaction?

[Dory Shafrir]

My initial reaction is to go back to school and start fully over. So I, I don't know what your. You say that you have school debt and two small children, but I don't know what your, like, partner situation is like. Is your household in a position where you could go back to school even if it meant taking on more debt? Like, can your household handle you not working potentially full time for the next two to five years? That's like my, I guess that's my question that doesn't seem to be answered in this message.

[Elise Hu]

And if you are in a situation where you could, where your household system can handle this, then yeah, there's plenty of people who start all over and start from scratch at sort of midlife. In fact, there was a mom that I know who's a neighbor who lives not too far from us who did exactly that. She started back in school to become a school psychologist or just a therapist in general. In general. And so she's been studying and working on all of that and has two small kids as well. I think that her degree was in like mathematics or engineering and she just didn't want to do it anymore. I was like, I'm going back to school and I'm going to become a therapist. So I've seen it in my own neighborhood. And then last night I was at this cocktail party or the salon thing. And I was chatting with my friend, and he. He told me to, like, he referred to some. Somebody on the other side of the room, and he was like, oh, yeah, that guy. He was in entertainment or something. He wrote Homeland or was a writer on Homeland, that show with Claire Danes. And then he was like, I'm going to go to law school, and was interested in law school. And he started. He took the LSAT and started law school, like, in his 40s or something. So, yeah, I mean, it. There are a few examples that I can actually point to where this has happened fairly recently. So you can do it so long as your family system can support it.

[Dory Shafrir]

There are a lot of therapy programs where you can go part time. Like, I. I don't know if this is possible for you, especially with two small kids, but I do have a friend who was working full time the entire time he was in grad school for therapy, and he did something in a completely unrelated field. So now his kids are a little older. His kids were, like tweens and teens, and he also was older. He was, like, in his late 40s when he started. So, you know, you might not be in the stage of life where you could do that, but I just want to say, like, that is also an option, can be done to go part time.

[Elise Hu]

Yeah.

[Dory Shafrir]

So, yeah. But I would love to hear other people's thoughts on this, and if you have done this, let us know. Let us know what you think. All right, Elise, that brings us to the end of our show already.

[Elise Hu]

Sadly, it's gone by so fast.

[Dory Shafrir]

It has gone by so fast, listeners, thank you so much. And please write in, call in, let us know what's on your mind, and we will talk to you soon.

[Elise Hu]

Okay, talk to you next time.

[Dory Shafrir]

Okay, bye.

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