Elise Hu (2:58)

And I'm Elise Hu. And we're just two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.

Dory Shafrier (3:03)

And this is a mini episode where we hear from you, we share your comments and your thoughts, and we answer your questions to the best of our ability. But please remember we are podcast hosts, we are not experts. And we do always encourage you to seek support first and foremost from a medical and or mental health professional as needed.

Elise Hu (3:21)

That is correct. By the time this comes out, I may or may not be flying to New York because there is a massive blizzard on the way.

Narrator/Advertiser (3:31)

I would.

Elise Hu (3:32)

I might be coming back. I don't know.

Dory Shafrier (3:33)

I think you would be coming back.

Elise Hu (3:35)

Yes, I would be coming back. And I don't know if I'm going to make it though right now because it looks like there's going to be several inches just like snow vomiting all over that area.

Dory Shafrier (3:46)

And weren't you also only going to go for like a night?

Elise Hu (3:50)

Yeah. So maybe like 18 hours or something like that. Maybe not worth it. Maybe. Maybe a little dangerous, maybe a little unsafe.

Dory Shafrier (3:57)

Yeah, I feel like maybe not worth it if. Look, I don't want to tell you what to do, but if I were you, I would be like, I'd rather not take the chance of getting stranded.

Elise Hu (4:10)

I wonder if I can game it somehow and get like a very good voucher from the airlines. But that's if people actually wanted to fly. And I'm guessing people don't want to fly. And so the supply and demand man in this case does not benefit me.

Dory Shafrier (4:24)

Well, usually they allow you to make free changes when there's like a big storm coming. Now, I don't know if they let you make free changes like whenever, or if it's like you have to make free changes within a certain amount of time. I kind of forget how they do it.

Elise Hu (4:42)

Yeah. And then the policies just get like more and more draconian. But anyway, okay, catch me up on you. Sorry, I'm like, we just started the show and I'm already off on a tangent. What's happening? How was your week?

Dory Shafrier (4:55)

Well, you know, it's funny you bring up weather because on Monday, last Monday, which was President's Day, Henry was doing a one day camp and it was like an outdoor camp, like a hiking camp that he's done many times before. But the weather prediction for Monday was last Monday was quite bad here in Los Angeles. It was like, you know, a lot of rain, possible tornadoes, thunderstorms. And I emailed the camp, and I was just like, hey, like, what's the. What's the plan if things get really bad outside? Like, do you have an alternate indoor location? And the co owner was, like, really condescending and was kind of like, I have looked like you're not looking at the exact microclimate weather report for the exact air area that I chose to send the kids to. And, you know, it's probably best if you just don't. If. If you just keep them home because, you know, I don't want you to worry.

Elise Hu (6:01)

Wow. They really didn't want their expertise questioned.

Dory Shafrier (6:05)

Yeah. It was, like, very strange. It was a very strange response. And then. Then Matt was like, I think you're overreacting. Like, it's probably going to be fine. And I was just like. There was, like, one more back and forth. And then I was like, okay. You know, he really wanted to go. He was, like, excited to go in the rain. And so I was like, okay, I'll send him. But it was clear she would have just rather had me keep him home because she didn't want me to be, like, annoying. You know what I mean?

Elise Hu (6:38)

Yeah.

Dory Shafrier (6:40)

So I'm like, all right. So we send him. I got in this rain suit. He's like, you know, all prepared. Yeah. Then I get a call at, like, I don't know, 11 from the counselor. And she's like, henry's really cold. He wants to go home. And she's like, can I put him on with you? And I talked. I was like, can I bring you a sweatshirt and, you know, some warmer clothes and maybe you'll stay? And he was like, okay. So I asked the counselor to drop a pin, and I drive to this location in Elian park, like, way up a hill.

Elise Hu (7:14)

Okay.

Dory Shafrier (7:15)

And I'm driving there, and I get a thunderstorm. Like, a flash. I get a flash flood warning as I'm driving up, and I'm like, also, this road was, like, flooding. So I'm already.

Elise Hu (7:26)

As you were driving already?

Dory Shafrier (7:27)

Yes. As I'm driving, I'm like, huh, this doesn't seem good. And I get up there, and there's other parents picking up kids. They're. All the kids are huddled under this, like, picnic area. You know, covered picnic area. Everyone's freezing. Kids are crying. Like, some kids are sort of trying to do this, like, coloring activity. All the counselors are standing around like, what are we supposed to do? And then I see Henry, and he Comes, like, running over. He's like, I want to go home. And I was like, we're getting out of here.

Elise Hu (7:54)

This sounds like. But also crucially, you get to say, I told you so.

Dory Shafrier (8:00)

Well, big time. Because then we drive home. It was like, scary driving home. And I emailed her when I got home and I was just like, look, like, this doesn't really reflect well on your organization. Like, I described the scene and like, there was a flash flood warning. And again, she was kind of like, yeah, I was up there handing out sweatshirts. I guess I missed you. Yeah, you must have just gotten there at that. At the, like, exact, like, bad moment or something like that. And then she called me and I was like, I don't even want to, like, engage with this person. I was just like, this is weird. Also, they clearly have no, like, emergency protocols. And then yesterday she sent out an email to everyone who had been at the camp, totally walking it back and apologizing. This never should have happened. Now we know for the future, I'm giving you all a credit, like, And I was like, yeah, you fucked up.

Elise Hu (8:59)

Thank you so much. Yes, you get the mic drop here. Exactly.

Dory Shafrier (9:04)

And I sent the screen grab of the email to Matt and he was like, this might be the most, like, I told you so, right? You've ever been.

Elise Hu (9:15)

Oh, so satisfying.

Dory Shafrier (9:16)

It was very satisfying. I realized that was a long tail, but I was like, no, I was like, it needed the build up.

Elise Hu (9:23)

It needed the exposition.

Dory Shafrier (9:24)

Yeah, this, this interaction is strange. And also, clearly I was not the only parent to be like, clearly not.

Elise Hu (9:31)

Yeah, she was probably. Now, in retrospect, the reason why she was condescending to you was probably because you were the 14th email that she received. Like, it wasn't just you, clearly.

Dory Shafrier (9:43)

I. I think initially I was one of the first. I was one of the only emails she had received. Like, she seemed really sort of like, whatever. But I suspect because parents showed up there to pick up their kids and saw what was happening. Yeah, there was no way she could be like, well, it actually wasn't that bad because it actually, like, was that bad. So that was that. Wow.

Elise Hu (10:11)

Wow.

Dory Shafrier (10:12)

Yeah. It also took her like three days to send like the follow up emails. So I was like, how many people complained until she was like, oh, I guess I up.

Elise Hu (10:21)

You know, I need to do a mea culpa.

Dory Shafrier (10:25)

Yeah, exactly. But, you know, it's like, it's. I get it. Like, you know, she had like, There were probably 40 or 50 kids there. Like, if she had canceled, that's you know, that's a big hit. So I understand the impulse not to do it, but I also was, like,

Elise Hu (10:45)

not wise.

Dory Shafrier (10:47)

Not wise. So anyway, I feel like sometimes I get painted as a little bit of a worry wart, especially when it comes to. To weather and natural disasters. But I just want to say that I was the first one in my family to really raise the alarm about COVID and everyone laughed at me.

Elise Hu (11:03)

You've been validated.

Dory Shafrier (11:04)

Proven right. Yes, exactly. Thank you, Elise.

Elise Hu (11:08)

Hey, man, I got you.

Dory Shafrier (11:11)

So that's what's going on with me.

Elise Hu (11:14)

That's a big week. It's a big week. You should feel good. I feel you should feel satisfied.

Dory Shafrier (11:19)

Thank you. Thank you so much. Before we take a break. We do. We did get a text for you that said, oh, my God, Elise, you have to watch and or pausing the pod to say, it is truly one of the most important television shows of our decade.

Elise Hu (11:34)

I wholeheartedly agree. I wholeheartedly agree. I'm, like, almost done with the first season already. I took almost.

Dory Shafrier (11:42)

Wow. Okay.

Elise Hu (11:42)

An entire day last weekend to just binge it because it is about an anti fascist resistance. I mean, why? There is no more important thing to watch right now than a show about an anti fascist resistance. And it's written by the great Tony Gilroy, which I've talked about before, because he wrote Michael Clayton, which is a film that's in my letterboxd. Like, if I had to pick my four films for a desert island, Michael Clayton would be one of them. And I think Michael Clayton is also such an important film about who. America. Like, who we are in America and like, how. Or just in the western world and just how much corporate power exists.

Dory Shafrier (12:21)

Yeah.

Elise Hu (12:21)

And how there's fixers among us everywhere. And as it turns out from the Epstein files, we know that to be the case. So Tony Gilroy and his whole, like, framing of our moment and our problems and the prescription for it, he ended up being able to put all of that and channel that all into the Star wars universe, which I care not that much about. But I am partnered with somebody who, for his birthday, I gave Rob a chance to tell me the entire story of Star wars and, you know, a New Hope, the original one, and, like, just speak about it for 25 minutes. And that was my gift to him.

Dory Shafrier (12:59)

Wow. And he felt really generous. That was really generous of you.

Elise Hu (13:04)

Anyway. Andor is fantastic. It doesn't have the force or anything, but it has some, like, really cute robot or robots that. That show up and yeah, really am enjoying it. Thank you. Listener.

Dory Shafrier (13:17)

Great tip. Just a reminder that you can call or text us at 781-591-0390. You can email us at forever35podcastmail.com Our website is forever35podcast.com we have links there to everything we mention on the show. Follow us on Instagram @forever35 podcast. Our newsletter is on our Patreon now at patreon.com Forever35 where you also get our casual chats, our monthly pop culture episodes. You can add free episodes. There's so much going on on our Patreon. And you can shop our favorite products at shopmy us./forever35. And after the break we have a little decluttering chat and some IVF convos. Great.

Elise Hu (14:00)

We'll be right back.

Dory Shafrier (14:04)

You know Elise, I feel like we've talked about digital storage a lot on this podcast and how we all have so many pictures that like never make it out of our camera roll.

Elise Hu (14:18)

Guilty.

Dory Shafrier (14:18)

Well, aura frames are the solution to those photos. We all love a group chat photo but then they get lost and now you can text photos straight to the aura frame which is so cool. So we've been doing this for our frames at our house and at my parents house and at Matt's parents house. We've been texting them to our frame to Matt's parents frame to my parents frame. It's super easy. So now you can either download the free Aura app or just text photos straight to the frame. And with free unlimited storage, you don't have to worry about filtering pictures in and out. Just add as many photos and videos as you want. Name number one by Wirecutter. You can save on the perfect gift by visiting auraframes.com for a limited time. Listeners can get $35 off their best selling Carver mat frame with code Forever35. That's a U R A frames.com promo code. Forever35 support the show by mentioning us at checkout. Terms and conditions apply.

Elise Hu (15:22)

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Dory Shafrier (16:43)

All right, we are back. We got this text that said every time door mentions decluttering, I just think it can't be that bad. Don't clean up for the six year olds. Every time Elise talks about the dog eating something, I say, thank God I don't have a puppy. You know, this is very generous of you to say. I, it can't be that bad, but please trust me when I say it. It was that bad. And part of the house continues to be that bad. I was shredding mail from 2000 from 2023. Okay, it was bad. There was stuff just, I mean, every, every nook and cranny was it like, it was just, it was just very bad. My good friend Mallory, who gets great satisfaction in like before and after decluttering pictures, is so annoyed with me because I didn't take a before picture.

Elise Hu (17:39)

But what I did do for her

Dory Shafrier (17:41)

is I took a video of my office and our bedroom, which is like the next sort of like big project I have to do, and narrated like all the piles and she was like, oh, thank you so much for sending. But it's, it's pretty, I mean, look, it's pretty bad. I will say it's pretty bad. So I, I appreciate the like, generous interpretation, but I, I, I think it is inaccurate. And it's not cleaning up for the six year olds, it's cleaning up for their parents. Their parents are coming over. These aren't drop off play dates.

Elise Hu (18:21)

Oh, it's not a drop off.

Narrator/Advertiser (18:23)

No. Okay.

Dory Shafrier (18:24)

I have to like entertain these moms for two hours. So, you know, I don't like. And the house is not going to be, you know, obsessively clean either. But I want to get it to a state where I'm not like mortified the second they walk in the door. You know what I mean? Which I think is reasonable.

Elise Hu (18:43)

The most cleaning I ever did or do is before I have A ton of people over, you know, because I just have to, like, clear stuff out. But I also think it's a great opportunity to clean.

Dory Shafrier (18:53)

It's a good excuse.

Elise Hu (18:54)

I always try and have people over at, like, good clips, because then I'm like, great, I'll get rid of some stuff that piled up since the last time I had people over, you know,

Dory Shafrier (19:02)

that's also why I used. Like, there was a period of my life where I moved, like, every year or two, like. Yeah. And that is also, like, a great opportunity to get rid of stuff.

Elise Hu (19:13)

Yep.

Dory Shafrier (19:15)

But I haven't moved in a long time, so, you know, here we are. Here we are. Elise, do you have any Oscar updates since. Since this listener brought up Oscar?

Elise Hu (19:26)

I don't. I mean, that's good. He's still.

Dory Shafrier (19:29)

No, this is good news. No news is good news. Oh, my gosh. His.

Elise Hu (19:36)

His wound is healing nicely. His incision is healing nicely.

Dory Shafrier (19:40)

I'm glad to hear that. Mm.

Elise Hu (19:42)

I'm really glad as well.

Dory Shafrier (19:45)

Yikes. Okay. Do you want to read this next text that we got?

Elise Hu (19:52)

Sure. I just wanted to send some well wishes to the listener doing ivf. Dory's podcast truly prepared me for the realities of it all that weren't discussed with my doctor. So thank you for that amazing resource. I didn't hear if the listener had a partner also going through the journey, but our clinic recommended couples counseling during the process, and it really supported our communication. There are also so many emotions that it was so nice to have someone mediate us through it. Also, a friend purchased the IVF WTF coloring book for me, and it was the humor I needed on the tough days. Best of luck. So we will link to that in the show notes. And yes, we are also thinking of you, listener.

Dory Shafrier (20:33)

I kind of love that their clinic suggested couples therapy. Like, that's. That's pretty cool.

Elise Hu (20:43)

Yeah.

Dory Shafrier (20:44)

That they did that. Okay, next text. Hi, Dorian. Elise. Writing into the listener who is asking for advice about ivf. I am currently in my first round and had my egg retrieval yesterday. I am a dance teacher and choreographer, so not being able to exercise or teach normally during this process has been extremely challenging. What has helped is that one of my friends is a fitness instructor for P Volve. A few years ago, her team put together an online movement during fertility treatment exercise series with a reproductive endocrinologist slash IVF specialist. The program is broken down into each week of the egg stim cycle and has classes for some gentle strength training and stretching that is safe to do during this time. This was Helpful for me because it showed me the types of movements I could still do safely while teaching dance. To be honest though, I didn't really feel like doing much quote exercising due to the bloating and fatigue. But it was, it was nice to still incorporate some movement beyond walking being post retrieval. I have one more week or so where I still can't do much, but I'm definitely going to keep referring back to P Volve's program as my ovaries shrink back down. Wishing you all the best on your IVF journey. You got this Exo.

Elise Hu (22:08)

These are really great actionable tips.

Dory Shafrier (22:11)

I love that they have like a week by week workout program. That's, that's cool. I will say this reminds, I had forgotten about this, but this reminds me that I didn't realize that you can't work. You're not supposed to work out, I think until you get your period after the egg retrieval. So you usually have at least another week or two post retrieval. Like for my first cycle I was like, okay, just gotta get through the egg retrieval. And then they were like, oh no, you gotta wait another another week or two. So that was a, that was an unpleasant surprise. But yeah. Yeah.

Elise Hu (22:56)

Especially for this listener who is so used to moving all the time.

Dory Shafrier (23:00)

Yeah.

Elise Hu (23:00)

If I had a break from working out for two weeks, I'd be like, yes, because I don't enjoy it. My, my body does not crave it. I'm just like, oh, here I am having to do this. But maybe it's like grass is always greener on the other side because I, I, I have the privilege of getting to work out. You know what I mean?

Dory Shafrier (23:18)

You have the choice. You have the choice, right? Yeah. Yeah. Well, I echo this listeners sentiments. You got this. Good luck and we are rooting for you.

Elise Hu (23:33)

Yeah.

Dory Shafrier (23:34)

All right. We are going to take another little break and when we come back, we have some chatter about electric pianos and a product recommendation. So we will be right back.

Elise Hu (23:50)

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Dory Shafrier (26:28)

Okay, we are back. Elise, do you want to read this?

Elise Hu (26:33)

Sure Dory Would you be willing to share the type of electric piano you have? My 5 year old son started taking piano lessons which means I'm taking piano lessons in order to help him practice. We don't have the money or space for a full size piano but should probably invest in something. Thank you for your suggestion.

Dory Shafrier (26:50)

So I bought my. I bought my piano, my digital piano pre Covid so I've had it for a long time. I couldn't tell what the model number is. It's probably like under the piano but it's not immediately apparent. It is a Roland. I think it is the RP107, which is like one of their sort of like base digital piano models that still has like pedals and weighted keys and like all the things you sort of want in a digital piano that distinguish it from just like a keyboard. And when I bought it, I want to say we got it at Guitar Center. I want to say it was around a thousand dollars. But again, this was pre Covid and I looked it up and now it's $1300.

Elise Hu (27:37)

So, man, pianos are expensive. If my piano didn't have sentimental value, I would sell it for money. Like, well, pianos were so expensive.

Dory Shafrier (27:48)

Non digital pianos are hard to sell because people have to have them professionally moved.

Elise Hu (27:55)

Oh yeah, that too.

Dory Shafrier (27:56)

So this is the digital piano that I have. And yeah, it doesn't take up that much space, but it has like the full 88 keys, which is nice. Okay, last note that we got. Prod Rec Trader Joe's nighttime moisturizer in the glass pot. As someone in California, it seems to hit the sweet spot of a thicker, more luxurious cream without being greasy or leaving a residue. Maybe not sufficient for the east coast winter, but could be a layer in a more intense routine. But I just picked it up last week and have really been enjoying the experience of applying it and feeling moisturized while not sticky in the morning. Gotta love TJ's.

Elise Hu (28:41)

Have you seen this product? I haven't seen it. We use one of their lotions, but it's just in a pump bottle.

Dory Shafrier (28:47)

I have not seen it. But there is another new Trader Joe's product that I've seen a lot of people raving about.

Elise Hu (28:58)

What's that?

Dory Shafrier (29:00)

The ultra rich body wash oil.

Elise Hu (29:03)

Oh, you know, I like body oils.

Dory Shafrier (29:06)

It's like a. It's a body wash though. It's not. It's not. It's like, it's. You use it in the shower and I guess it has a vanilla orchid scent and it's 5.99. And I guess it's like sold out everywhere because people are obsessed with it. So.

Narrator/Advertiser (29:23)

Wow.

Dory Shafrier (29:24)

That's just what I've. What I've seen and heard.

Elise Hu (29:28)

The other thing that's gonna be gone really quick and I'll just mention that it has arrived. And I saw some. But even the people at Trader Joe's were like, this is gonna be gone in a week is their pistachio gelato. Their pistachio gelato is back. And it's like back briefly. And it's a limited time. Yeah.

Dory Shafrier (29:45)

Situation.

Elise Hu (29:46)

So even by the time this comes out, I don't know if it's still going to be there. But you guys can look, check it out.

Dory Shafrier (29:51)

All right. Hot tip. Okay. Well, Elise, great to see you listeners. Thanks so much for joining us today. And please do call and write in with your questions, comments, concerns, product recommendations. We love them all. We'll talk to you soon. All right, bye.

Elise Hu (30:10)

Talk to you next time.

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