The Branch of the LORD

Summary

Summary: Gilbert House Fellowship – "The Branch of the LORD"

Episode Date: January 11, 2026
Host(s): Derek & Sharon Gilbert
Main Theme:
This episode dives deep into Isaiah chapters 3–5, exploring the prophetic judgment and restoration of Judah and Jerusalem. The Gilberts analyze these passages through historical, linguistic, and theological lenses, connecting ancient prophecy to the contemporary world—including commentary on free speech, societal decay, and the messianic symbolism of "The Branch." Thoughtful, accessible, and often humorous, the Gilberts blend Bible study, prophecy, current events, and their own spiritual journey.

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1. Intro & Social Commentary ([00:14–11:45])

• Setting the Stage: The Gilberts marvel at entering the year 2026, discussing the rapid passage of time and the value of younger generations embracing Christ.
  • Quote, Sharon: "We need young voices lifting up Christ." [00:43]
• Free Speech Concerns:
  • They discuss threats to free speech in the UK and broader Western world, referencing statistics about arrests over social media posts and regulatory overreach.
  • Quote, Derek: "The United Kingdom leads the world... twice as many [arrests] as Belarus." [02:38]
• Political Shifts & Memetics:
  • Banter about political memes on X/Twitter and how shifting global politics portend less freedom for Christians to spread their message.
  • Quote, Sharon: “The day will come when we are no longer free to speak our minds. For now rejoice that we can post scripture...” [08:02]
• Trends in the Church:
  • Noting that young people are returning to church, yet what is taught may differ from Biblical orthodoxy; Jesus is often depicted as a “life coach,” not the conquering Messiah.
  • Quote, Derek: "What they're hearing in church may not necessarily be biblical... Jesus is sort of a life coach." [08:21–08:58]

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2. Replacement Theology & Intro to Isaiah ([09:12–13:16])

• Book Plug: Mike Spalding’s new book on Replacement Theology is highlighted, revealing key concerns about supersessionism and affirming Israel’s role in God’s plan.

  • Quote, Sharon: "'Replacement theology'... is just not biblically sound." [10:24]

• Transition to Study:

  • The hosts pray for wisdom and guidance before opening Isaiah Chapter 3.

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3. Isaiah 3–4: Judgment and the Hope of "The Branch" ([13:16–39:40])

3.1 Historical Setting ([11:55–14:34])

• Judah faces Assyrian menace; northern kingdom has fallen.
• The translation debate: ESV vs. Septuagint (LXX); the loss of supernatural worldview among Jewish commentators post-2nd century.
  • Quote, Derek: "The Septuagint...the Bible of the apostles and the early church." [15:38]

3.2 Social Chaos as Judgment ([14:35–23:13])

• God’s withdrawal of support, leading to social and political disorder; leaders lacking maturity or wisdom (“boys...infants...malicious young men/mocks will rule...”).
  • Discusses translation nuances and why reading multiple versions is valuable.
• The inversion of social and moral order (women and children ruling, mockers in charge).
  • Quote, Sharon: "It really is an upside down world." [21:55]
• Warnings against pride, especially among the wealthy women of Judah, whose ostentation and idolatrous jewelry is likened to flaunting cultural and spiritual rebellion.

3.3 Connection to Modern Times ([23:14–27:42])

• The hosts overlay ancient descriptions onto today’s “influencer” culture and widening wealth gaps.
  • Sharon connects the jewelry and clothes listed in Isaiah to ancient pagan customs and to today’s consumerism.
  • Quote, Sharon: "[This is] about a society...so divided that you have the wealthy who don't mind showing off...flaunting...to people who have no food." [26:49]

3.4 Humiliation and Purification ([27:43–29:42])

• Prophecy of public shame for the arrogant; the “Day of the Lord” approaches.
• Women outnumber men (due to war), and shame is associated with unmarriageability.

3.5 The Messianic Branch: Restoration Prophecy ([29:43–39:40])

• Isaiah 4:2–6: “The Branch of Yahweh shall be beautiful and glorious...” The Gilberts stress that this is a Messianic reference to Jesus.
  • Quote, Sharon: "This is a reference to Christ." [32:58]
• Discussion of key Hebrew words: netzer (Isaiah 11), semah (Isaiah 4) —the “branch” as a recurring prophetic symbol.
• Connection to end-times prophecy, the feast of booths, and foreshadowing of the New Jerusalem’s glory and protection.

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4. Isaiah 5: The Parable of the Vineyard ([39:41–58:59])

• God’s Vineyard:
  • The parable condemns Israel/Judah for producing only “wild grapes” (corrupt fruit) despite God’s investment and care.
  • Quote, Sharon: "It starts out almost like Song of Solomon. And then you get the Beloved...I waited for it to bring forth grapes, and it brought forth thorns." [40:26]
• Wordplay & Social Justice:
  • Hebrew puns (“justice” vs “bloodshed”, “righteousness” vs “outcry”) convey God’s disappointment.
• Condemnation of Greed & Exploitation:
  • Accusations against those who accumulate land and wealth at the poor’s expense—linked to modern “You’ll own nothing and you’ll love it.” [43:24]
• Warnings Against Drunkenness & Ignoring God:
  • Condemns pleasure-seeking, ignorance, and social injustice.
• Imminent Judgment via Foreign Nations:
  • God will use pagan nations as instruments of discipline; includes descriptions of devastation, exile, and supernatural connections (comparison to Joel, Revelation, and “the day of Yahweh”).
  • Discussion of wordplay, the role of supernatural beings, and the motif of “already, but not yet” prophetic fulfillment.

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5. Communion, Q&A, and "Geezer Report" ([58:59–whole episode end])

5.1 Communion Service ([58:59–61:17])

• The Gilberts share communion, commemorating Christ’s sacrifice and his coming return.

5.2 Listener Questions ([61:17–75:21])

• Fallen Angels, Satan, & Genesis 6:
  • Did Satan corrupt the Watchers to thwart the Messiah’s line? Is angelic rebellion ongoing? The hosts discuss biblical ambiguity on timing—some events possibly still future (cf. Revelation 12).
  • Quote, Sharon: "I think we need to credit L. A. Marzulli for saying that Satan may have tricked Shimyaza and company, who probably were sent down here with a good commission...instead [they] help[ed] themselves to mankind." [64:27]
• Best Commentary Recommendation:
  • Sharon suggests older works (e.g., Matthew Henry), “The Coming Prince” by Sir Robert Anderson, and free online resources: BlueLetterBible.org, BibleHub, NetBible, FaithLife Study Bible.
• End-Times Timing ("Futurism") ([75:21–78:40])
  • Discusses Jesus’ “this generation” quote, how it could refer to the generation witnessing Israel’s rebirth (1948), the ongoing fulfillment, and why apocalyptic events in Revelation have not yet occurred.
  • Quote, Sharon: "The marker for that...is probably 1948." [75:58]
  • Quote, Derek: "There's so many apocalyptic things in Revelation, like the opening of the abyss...that hasn't happened yet." [77:38]

5.3 Personal & Ministry Update ("Geezer Report") ([78:40–87:30])

• Health updates: Sharon’s eyes have improved, Derek’s ongoing struggles with neurological issues, COPD, and ministry adjustments.
• Book projects: Sharon working on The Red Wing Saga Book 9 and more, Derek on “War of the Watchers.”
• Touching Moment:
  • Quote, Sharon: "The Lord's timing on it...when you needed a driver, the Lord fixed my eyes." [79:55]
• Future podcast/book topics: Jewish-Christian history, differences between the Septuagint and Masoretic Text, and how supernatural worldview shapes biblical interpretation.

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6. Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Bible Translations:
  • Derek: "The Septuagint...the Bible that was the Bible of the apostles and the early church." [15:38]
• On Supernaturalism Versus Modern Rationalism:
  • Sharon: "The rabbis began de-emphasizing the supernatural in the Old Testament." [14:35]
• On Cultural Trends:
  • Derek: "We are seeing that today...cruelty will rule over them." [18:13]
• On Reading Scripture:
  • Derek: "Read and understand it the way the original audience would have." [50:09]
• On the Current Spiritual Battle:
  • Derek: "What's going on now...is spiritual, because Israel is a small little piece of ground, smaller than the state of New Jersey...the fallen realm know that's where God has placed his name." [80:26]

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7. Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• Intro and free speech discussion [00:14–08:58]
• Replacement theology & prayer [09:12–11:46]
• Isaiah 3–4 reading/discussion [13:16–39:40]
• Isaiah 5 reading/discussion [39:40–58:59]
• Communion [58:59–61:17]
• Q&A section [61:17–78:40]
• Personal/geezers update [78:40–87:30]
• Upcoming ministry projects/outro [87:30–90:50]

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8. Tone & Atmosphere

The Gilberts maintain their trademark blend of candid humor, honest vulnerability, and scholarly yet accessible Bible teaching. Their approach encourages listeners to engage Scripture deeply, question assumptions, and find hope in the prophetic promises of God—despite challenges both ancient and modern.

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For New Listeners:
This episode offers a rich, verse-by-verse engagement with Isaiah, relevant application to today’s world, passionate defense of a supernatural view of the Bible, and a personal connection as the hosts share their triumphs and trials. Whether you’re new to prophecy, a seasoned student, or simply wrestling with cultural turmoil, the Gilberts leave you with biblical insight, resources, and encouragement to stay steadfast in faith.

Transcript

[Sharon Gilbert]

Foreign.

[Derek Gilbert]

From the beautiful Missouri Ozarks. Greetings and welcome to the Gilbert House fellowship for Sunday, January 11, 2026. I'm Derek Gilbert.

[Sharon Gilbert]

And I'm Sharon Gilbert. We are in 2026. Did I just fall asleep and wake up? You know, 20 some years have gone by. Rick Van Charon.

[Derek Gilbert]

It is strange, but it is true. The older you get, the faster time appears to move.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Yeah. You young whippersnappers listening to this. First of all, thank you. If you are listening and you're younger, we so appreciate that we need young voices lifting up Christ.

[Derek Gilbert]

Amen.

[Sharon Gilbert]

And reading God's word.

[Derek Gilbert]

That is a fact.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Finding Christ from the very first, all the way through the very end. He's throughout the Bible that, that. That strand of our Lord's blood is throughout. But yeah, 2026, it sneaks up on you. I'm 73 and so things go faster and faster for me. Soon I will be nothing but a blur to you. Honey, I'm just going to. So fast.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yep. Well, I'm catching up.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Oh, I don't think your little cane can go as far.

[Derek Gilbert]

Well, that's true. That's true. If you are listening on YouTube or. Because there's really nothing to watch as we don't put any video up there. Thank you. If you would subscribe, the address is at Gilbert House and that gets all of our video content and audio content. Actually, we throw everything up there but the video content.

[Sharon Gilbert]

If it sticks to the wall, it stays.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yep. At Gilbert House. Please subscribe, share. Click the bel for notifications and of course always hit the like button. Leave your comments and please download our app. Yes, once you do that, download the app. Because while we've got a friendly administration now, that may not always be the case. And something may pop up, whether in the future or they may dig into the archives, which has happened in the past. Yeah, they go back into the past and look for things that were said years ago.

[Sharon Gilbert]

If you and I lived in other countries right now that aren't as free and I'm looking. United Kingdom. Exactly. They have the highest arrest rate for hurty words than any country in the world.

[Derek Gilbert]

It was astonishing. There was a statistic that was shown and it was done as an infographic number of arrests last year for social media posts. And the United Kingdom leads the world. And not by a little bit. No, we're talking like twice as many as Belarus.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Yeah.

[Derek Gilbert]

Which is not exactly a bastion of free speech.

[Sharon Gilbert]

It is not.

[Derek Gilbert]

So, boy, what is going on? And you can't just blame the labor Government. Because this began under the Tories.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Well, Keir Starmer is sending out his Starmer troops.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yes.

[Sharon Gilbert]

To every door to make sure that A, have you paid your BBC license fee and B, have you said anything that we don't like.

[Derek Gilbert]

Exactly.

[Sharon Gilbert]

And what we say that we don't like, it changes day to day.

[Derek Gilbert]

Changes day to day. Who's the protected group today? So, yeah, it is. It is sad. But if. Because now they're talking about using Ofcom, which is their regulatory organization, the regulatory agency.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Office of Communications.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. To go through and look at X and perhaps ban X in the United Kingdom or charge a fine. Of course, you know, Elon Musk would just say fine, we'll just pull the plug on the uk.

[Sharon Gilbert]

I shared an interview with a gentleman this morning that was on X. And X is a wonderful place where you can speak your mind, regardless of where you fall on that spectrum. Left, right, middle. It tends to be more conservative overall. But you get to say what you want to on X.

[Derek Gilbert]

Right. Quite a few liberal voices in progressive. So called progressive.

[Sharon Gilbert]

This person does not live in the United States and said that the only way to save free speech in the United States is to limit free speech.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sharon Gilbert]

So basically he wants to tell you what you can say.

[Derek Gilbert]

Right. This is actually a. The direction that the Democrats have been going for a little while lately. They believe we've got to, you know, kill democracy to save it.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Which is why Elon Musk used to be very popular until he bought Twitter and.

[Derek Gilbert]

Right.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Turned it into a free speech field

[Derek Gilbert]

when he was just making electric cars. That was all well and good, but, you know, now, you know, he's.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Now he's.

[Derek Gilbert]

He's.

[Sharon Gilbert]

He's one of those.

[Derek Gilbert]

He's. Yes, he's. Yes. One of the others. Yeah. Outlander. Yeah. Or whatever, you know, point and shriek.

[Sharon Gilbert]

I know. Well, we're sort of going in this direction because Derek and I had to run an errand yesterday, which took most of our day. So we did not get to record PID radio yesterday. It was going to be our first day back for the year, which is kind of why we're going in that direct. We can't help it.

[Derek Gilbert]

We just can't. Yeah.

[Sharon Gilbert]

But we're here to.

[Derek Gilbert]

Going on in the world out there. Pray for the people of Iran, pray for the people of Venezuela as things are in flux there and Cuba. President Trump is. Let it be. He is really enforcing what he's calling now the Donroe Doctrine for Donald and of course the Monroe Doctrine, which goes back 200 years where President Monroe basically said, you Europeans, keep your.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Stay out of the Western Hemisphere.

[Derek Gilbert]

Stay out of the Western Hemisphere. Stay off the west side.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Yeah. Yes, exactly. We are men of the West. You are not.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. And that was enforced. Well, I mean, really, after World War II, it didn't need to be enforced so much anymore. But the last since Reagan, anyway, our presidential administrations have talked big, but it's the reverse of Teddy Roosevelt. Speak softly, carry a big stick. They've been speaking loudly and carrying no stick. So that's why we've got a number of large oil companies who had their assets nationalized by Venezuela back in 2007.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Yeah. They've handed over the stick and given it to their enemies.

[Derek Gilbert]

Right. And Trump has taken back the stick and he's wielding it a little bit. And of course, the rest of the world. Yes. And the rest of the world is going, oh, well.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Oh, I know. But if you are not on X, you need to be. Because I've got to tell you, the memes on X are gold. They're just memes gold. And for the most part, you can't download many of them. You have to actually find them and enjoy them on X platform.

[Derek Gilbert]

The Marco Rubio memes are hilarious.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Oh, my goodness. I created my own this morning. I won't even tell you about it. But the thing about the being told what we can and cannot do by other countries, that is where we are going to move eventually. We will not have a friendly administration.

[Derek Gilbert]

Exactly.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Right now, the European Union. Union and the uk, which seems to think it's back in the Union now. Thank you, Storm troopers. They have decided that they're going to ban X. Yeah. They're not banning anybody else. They're banning X and Grok, but nobody else.

[Derek Gilbert]

Right, Right. And it's just to punish Elon Musk. Well, good luck with that.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Yeah. So anyway, the day will come when we are no longer free to speak our minds. For now rejoice that we can post scripture to the Bible. We can lift up Christ. In fact, right now, there are churches the world over that are filling up with people.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. Which is amazing. A lot of. A lot of young people going back to church. In fact, the younger generations here in the United States are getting involved in churches. But what kind of church is the question? Because the research by George Barnum at Arizona Christian University shows that while millennials may be returning to church, what they're hearing in church may not necessarily be biblical. In other words, Jesus is sort of a life coach instead of the one who Actually confronted the forces of darkness.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Even conservative seminaries have sort of failed their students.

[Derek Gilbert]

Well, a lot of pastors come out not really believing in the Bible as it was written. Oh, it's been changed over the years. Well, no, that happens not to be the case.

[Sharon Gilbert]

By the way, before we get into reading Isaiah 3 this morning and praying, of course, first, may I just mention that our good friend Pastor Mike Spalding has a brand new book out. We just got a copy of it, so it's in our little hands. We can't wait to read it. It's all about replacement theology.

[Derek Gilbert]

Right. I read a preview of it and wrote a. An endorsement that he.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Did you write an endorsement? The forward?

[Derek Gilbert]

I didn't write the forward, no. Wrote an endorsement that. And again, I was honored to be asked because this is a very important book right now. Replacement theology is an easier to understand term for a doctrine called supersessionism, which is based on the word supersede, meaning we, the church, have superseded Israel, the Jews in God's end time plan, so that all of the promises that were made to Abraham, the unconditional covenant, we now are going to be the recipients of those blessings.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Yeah, I'm sorry, but that's just not biblically sound.

[Derek Gilbert]

It is not. Israel still has a role to play. And in fact, one of our questions today will deal with this. Got a good question about futurism then.

[Sharon Gilbert]

We will talk about it then and pray.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah, but again, look for it. Replacement Theology by Dr. Mike Spalding. Father, thank you for bringing us together over your word today. And as the world erupts in turmoil both here and overseas, we pray for peace. But we know, according to your word, Father, that peace will not come until you return at the head of your heavenly army. But until then, Father, we pray for our elected officials that you would grant them wisdom to know how to respond to these events. We pray for peace so that those who are in the midst of these events would be kept safe. And that through these events, somehow your glory would be made manifest. Father, we pray for wisdom as we read and study your word today. Pray, Father, that you would guide us and direct us, help us to understand your word to the best of our ability. And we ask this in Jesus name. Amen.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Amen. By the way, in case you're wondering, we will have the old people report at the end of this study along with communion.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yes, since we were in the final week of our vacation last Sunday, we did not do communion last Sunday. So we will have the Lord's Supper at the end of this at the end of this study. So we pick up in Isaiah chapter 3 and the judgment on Judah and Jerusalem. At this point, the northern kingdom has already been sacked and taken away. So this is post 722 B.C. the kingdom of Judah is hanging on, but the might of Assyria is arrayed against it. And God is basically saying, yeah, turn to me or there's some trouble coming. For behold the Lord Yahweh of hosts, which means Yahweh of armies is taking away from Jerusalem and from Judah, support and supply all support of bread and all support of water. The mighty man and the soldier, the judge and the prophet, the diviner and the elder, the captain of 50 and the man of rank, the counselor and the skillful magician.

[Sharon Gilbert]

And he says, wise artificer and the intelligent hearer.

[Derek Gilbert]

Okay. The skillful magician and the expert in charms. And I will make boys their princes and infants shall rule over them.

[Sharon Gilbert]

This says, mockers shall have dominion over them.

[Derek Gilbert]

Huh.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Now I'm reading from the Septuagint. In case you're brand new to this study, One of us will read aloud from. We generally read aloud from the esv, but Derek and I read from a lot of sources ourselves and I think that's a really good way. You know, Mike Heiser, when he was asked, which, which version do I read from? And he said, the one you'll actually read. But then from there we recommend that you read others and compare and contrast and you can do side by side in a lot of the Bible apps.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. And the reason for the Septuagint. And this is the discussion I'm going to have with Doug Van Dorn, Brian Godala and Dr. Jed Burton. Tonight, Doug is writing a book which grew out of an academic paper that he is working on getting published about how, as Doug Woodward has written in his two volume set, Rebooting the Bible.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Which is all about the Septuagint.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. And how to say why the Septuagint is important? Because beginning in the second century, the rabbis began de emphasizing the supernatural in the. In the Old Testament. Of course, the New Testament was not something they were concerned with. And they were doing it to take away verses that Christians had been using to show from the Old Testament the prophecies of Jesus and the existence of the second power in heaven. Yahweh, but not Yahweh, like the angel of Yahweh.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Right. The Septuagint was translated around 200 BC or so from Hebrew manuscripts that were available to those translators and they was translated into Greek Right. So this was the Bible that was used by most people living in the area that we call Israel in the first century ad.

[Derek Gilbert]

Right. In other words, this is the Bible that was the Bible of the apostles.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Yes.

[Derek Gilbert]

And the early church. And in fact, and I was not aware of this because I had cited it in my forthcoming book, there's a manuscript written by Justin Martyr in the middle of the second century A.D. called discussion with Trypho T R Y F O, who is a Jew. And they were arguing in this discussion. It was a debate back and forth. And Justin makes the point that things had been changed by the Jews, by the Jewish religious leaders and scholars. And this really came about after the real final split between Jews and Christians after The Bar Kokva rebellion, 135 BC or AD is when it ended because Christians had refused to fight the Romans for Simon Bar Kokva, Jews were just furious at Christians and began really at that point to tweak the Old Testament. And for example, the supernatural interpretation of Genesis 6, that the sons of God were angelic beings that suddenly became, you know, anyone who believes that is cursed amongst the Jews.

[Sharon Gilbert]

But the Old Testament was not changed so radically.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yes.

[Sharon Gilbert]

That the information we need is gone. A lot of it was interpretation. But just so you understand, there are a lot of people who want to teach that. Oh, no, the Bible, you can't trust it. We can.

[Derek Gilbert]

We can. Yes.

[Sharon Gilbert]

God has preserved his word, but at the same time, because he inspired this translation of the Septuagint, we have that to compare to the Masoretic text which was compiled over a thousand years later. Yeah, that we can take a look and see. What did the first century church read?

[Derek Gilbert]

Exactly.

[Sharon Gilbert]

That's why I love reading along in it. And that's why if it's. If it's got something really different, I'll just pop up and say, so.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah, that verse, by the way, Isaiah 3, verse 4. Let's see back up here. And I will make boys their princes and infants shall rule over them. The new. The new English translation, the Net Bible renders it malicious young men will rule over them.

[Sharon Gilbert]

That's kind of going on here now, isn't it? In this generation, we've got malicious young men and women.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. The Hebrew. And one of the reasons we like the Net Bible is because the translators include their notes. And you can find that for [e-mail] netbible.org but you also use the Faith Life Study Bible and the FaithLife Study Bible, which is another free tool. If you go to our website, Gilberthouse.org in the right hand column we've got a list of our links to some of our favorite tools. A faith life Study Bible is one. The net Bible is another. And they point out that the word translated infants or malicious young men. What did the Septuagint say there?

[Sharon Gilbert]

It says mockers.

[Derek Gilbert]

Mockers. The word in Hebrew is often understood as an abstract plural, meaning cruelty or wantonness. So in this case, the chief characteristics of these leaders is substituted for the leaders themselves. So cruelty will rule over them, or wantonness. But other translations, like the ESV, emend the word to mean children or infants. So that's how we get these differences. Sometimes the Hebrew is a little difficult. Verse 5. And the people will oppress one another. Everyone his fellow and everyone his neighbor. The youth will be insolent to the elder and the despised to the honorable. You're right. We are seeing that today here in America. For a man will take hold of his brother in the house of his father, saying, you have a cloak. You shall be our leader, and this heap of ruins shall be under your rule. So in other words, you don't really need to know anything or have any qualifications. You've got a cloak. So you're the leader.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Apparently so.

[Derek Gilbert]

Saul, you're the tallest. You're the king. Yeah.

[Sharon Gilbert]

We're going to put do a show because my aunt has a stage in her barn. Yes, that kind of rationale.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. In that day he will speak out, saying, I will not be a healer. And I just checked, that word is not the Hebrew word actually means binder of wounds. It is not Rephaim this.

[Sharon Gilbert]

In the Septuagint it says, for he shall answer in that day and say, I will not be thy ruler. Following up on the guy with the raiment. You're going to be the ruler. That kind of makes sense. For I have no bread in my house, nor raiment. I will not be the ruler of this people.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah, yeah. So verse seven in the esv, in that day he will speak out, saying, I will not be a healer or binder of wounds, or the net Bible renders it, I am no doctor. In my house there is neither bread nor cloak. You shall not make me leader of the people. For Jerusalem has stumbled and Judah has fallen, because their speech and their deeds are against Yahweh, defying his glorious presence or the eyes of his glory is what the Hebrew literally means. For the look on their faces bears witness against them. They proclaim their sin. Like Sodom. They do not hide it woe to them, for they have brought evil on themselves. Tell the righteous that it will be well with them, for they shall eat the fruit of their deeds. Woe to the wicked. It shall be ill with him, for what his hands have dealt out shall be done to him. My people. Infants are their oppressors and women rule over them.

[Sharon Gilbert]

It really is an upside down world.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. O my people, your guides mislead you and they have swallowed up the course of your paths. Yahweh has taken his place to contend. He stands to judge peoples. Yahweh will enter into judgment with the elders and princes of his people. It is you who have devoured the vineyard. The spoil of the poor is in your houses. What do you mean by crushing my people? By grinding the faces of the poor, declares the Lord, Yahweh of hosts.

[Sharon Gilbert]

So, basically, the rich got richer and the poor got poorer.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. That's it.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Imagine that.

[Derek Gilbert]

Has that ever happened?

[Sharon Gilbert]

Is that it? You said for the chapter.

[Derek Gilbert]

Oh, no. I've got a bunch left to go.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Yeah, me too. That's why I wonder.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. Yahweh said, because the daughters of Zion are haughty and walk without stretched. Next. Glancing wantonly with their eyes mincing along as they go, tinkling with their feet. They're wearing little bells.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Yeah, yeah. I'm thinking belly dancers.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. Therefore the Lord will strike with a scab the heads of the daughters of Zion and Yahweh will lay bare their secret parts.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Okay. Verse 17 in the Septuagint. Therefore the Lord will humble the chief daughters of Zion and the Lord will expose their form in that day.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. The upshot of this is it means they will be humiliated.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Yeah.

[Derek Gilbert]

In that day. Are we talking about the. Well, on that day is the day of the Lord.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Yeah. It's difficult to say. Well, continue reading. In verse 18.

[Derek Gilbert]

In that day, the Lord will take away the finery of the anklets, the headbands and the crescents.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Crescents. Interesting.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. Like a crescent moon type thing.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Well, yeah, I know that there, in many cultures, you will see, including the Levantine area, you'll see these, what appear to be crescent moons in gold, worn.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. Like a necklace. The crescents, the pendants, the bracelets and the scarves, the headdresses, the armlets, the sashes, the perfume boxes and the amulets,

[Sharon Gilbert]

These are all representations of various deities, I think. And some of these, the armlets, which probably was. Was jewelry, but also some of these veils and these scarves and things, they were in imitation of ritualistic behavior.

[Derek Gilbert]

The signet rings.

[Sharon Gilbert]

So these weren't very nice girls.

[Derek Gilbert]

No, they were not. They were not the kind of girl you'd bring home to meet your mother. The signet rings and nose rings, the festal robes, the mantles, the cloaks and the handbags, the mirrors, the linen garments, the turbans and the veils. That's verse 23 there.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Well, let me just back up to verse 21. And the earrings and the garments with

[Derek Gilbert]

scarlet borders that began with the signet rings and nose rings.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Not in this one. Okay, I will back up to verse 20 then. And the array of glorious ornaments and the armlets and the bracelets and the wreathed work and the finger rings and the ornaments for the right hand and the earrings and the garments with scarlet borders, verse 22. And the garments with purple grounds and the shawls to be worn in the house and the Spartan transparent dresses. These are listed as verses 21A and 21B.

[Derek Gilbert]

Interesting a reference to Spartan verse 23.

[Sharon Gilbert]

And those made of fine linen and the purple ones and the scarlet ones and the fine linen interwoven with gold and purple and the light coverings for couches. These are very exciting, expensive garments and jewelry.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah, the. The Lexham English Septuagint renders the Spartan garments as Laconian, which is a term that means Spartan.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Yeah.

[Derek Gilbert]

And it's in, in the Greek it was laconica.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Well, the Spartan transparent dress is also of. This is extremely showing off your wealth. And again, it brings me to. Now, because young people, they want to dress in the latest styles and many of those styles are very expensive and it doesn't mean you've got money.

[Derek Gilbert]

Right.

[Sharon Gilbert]

But this is, this, this whole section is about a society that is so divided that you have the wealthy who don't mind showing off their wealth in public in very, not very nice ways. Overtly sexual. The women described here. That's overt sexuality in public, which was never done. But also it's flaunting your wealth to people who have no food.

[Derek Gilbert]

Exactly. And yeah, we're. We're kind of in a world today where that's encouraged by social media, you know, TikTok and insta and so forth. Yeah, yeah. Verse 24. Instead of perfume there will be rottenness. And instead of a belt, a rope.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Okay, I'm sure. Okay, okay, sorry, read that again.

[Derek Gilbert]

Instead of perfume there will be rottenness. And instead of a belt, a rope. And instead of well set hair, baldness. Oh, for a woman, that's humiliation in Old Testament period. And instead of a rich robe A skirt and sackcloth and branding instead of beauty. Your men shall fall by the sword and your mighty men in battle.

[Sharon Gilbert]

This says, in thy most beautiful son, whom thou lovest shall fall by the sword. And your mighty men shall fall by the sword. And shall be brought low.

[Derek Gilbert]

And her gates shall lament and mourn empty. She shall sit on the ground again. The idea here is that Judah and Jerusalem are about to be humiliated.

[Sharon Gilbert]

And now to chapter four. Is that correct?

[Derek Gilbert]

Yep.

[Sharon Gilbert]

And this time I'll read aloud and Derek will be follow along. Following along in the Septuagint.

[Derek Gilbert]

Oh, that's a short one.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Oh. Chapter four and seven. Women shall take hold of one man in that day, saying, we will eat our own bread and wear our own clothes only let us be called by your name. Take away our reproach.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Being a single woman.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yes. Was considered humiliation back in the day. And because the men had fallen in battle, the ratio of women to men was out of whack. Sort of the reverse of what's going on in China right now, where you've got like two and a half men to every woman.

[Sharon Gilbert]

You know, this is a short chapter, but verse to get into some really interesting stuff in that day.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Now, this could be prophetic because oftentimes that phrase beginning with that adverbial phrase in that day often refers to the final days of, well, the world as we know it in that day, the branch underline that. The branch of Yahweh shall be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the land shall be the pride and honor of the survivors of Israel.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. Rather than being the day of judgment, the day of Yahweh, this seems to refer to a day when. It's. When Israel is restored.

[Sharon Gilbert]

And it says survivors.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sharon Gilbert]

What does it say, actually, in verse two in the Septuagint?

[Derek Gilbert]

On that day, God will shine on. I'm looking at the English. The Lexham English Septuagint, which is a more modern English translation. Again, excuse my voice. This is part of my.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Part of your illness.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. So I don't have a cold, don't have bronchitis. It's just. This is how my voice is now. But on that day, God will shine in council with glory upon the land to raise and to glorify the remnant of Israel.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Yes, very much like that in the Brenton. And in that day, God shall shine gloriously in council on the earth to exalt and glorify the remnant of Israel.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. I've got those two up side by side so I can compare and contrast.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Yeah, I love that. So, yes, in the esv, it says, an honor. She shall be the pride and honor of the survivors of Israel. Now, just getting back to what we talked about when we first opened this study, and that is replacement theology in Mike Spalding's new book. This says of Israel, we have been grafted in to that vine. We have been grafted into that tree. We are not direct descendants of Jacob.

[Derek Gilbert]

No, we are not.

[Sharon Gilbert]

But we've been grafted into that line. It doesn't mean we've replaced it.

[Derek Gilbert]

Right. We have not become the olive tree.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Did you want to say something else?

[Derek Gilbert]

Well, yeah. The Net Bible translates it a little differently instead of the branch. And by the way, that word is not netzer, which is the word used in Isaiah 14:19 about the loathed branch that's cast away from the grave. Yeah. That word is netzer, from which some interpret as a reference, sort of a veiled reference to Nazareth, which is where Jesus was from. What is it? Isaiah 9, where we get to the reference to the. The root of Jesse.

[Sharon Gilbert]

I. I don't know. Sorry. But in the translation, in the ESV and also in others, NASB and things, branch is capitalized. This is a reference to Christ.

[Derek Gilbert]

Okay. Is it capitalized here in Isaiah 4?

[Sharon Gilbert]

It is.

[Derek Gilbert]

I'm sorry, I'd skipped ahead trying to find the reference to Jesse.

[Sharon Gilbert]

It is. It's capitalized. The word is Shemach is capitalized. It refers to the branch of Yahweh is Christ.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah.

[Sharon Gilbert]

And he shall be beautiful and glorious.

[Derek Gilbert]

Okay. Just because the version of the ESV I'm looking at here does not have that capitalized.

[Sharon Gilbert]

It's not capitalized in the esv. Sorry. It's capitalized in the nasb, which is usually what is in the. Yeah, I went to see what the NASB is, what is shown in the breakdown of the original Hebrew.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. And I agree, by the way, that is a messianic reference.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Yeah. Which is why. And it's one thing, I love the nasb too. In fact, I've. Back in the day, before you and I ever met, I probably had five different translations of the Bible that I read at various times. And this is back when you didn't have an app. You actually had to have a Bible, a paper Bible. Yes.

[Derek Gilbert]

Which is a good idea to have at home anyway, because you never know.

[Sharon Gilbert]

You. And I've got a bunch of different ones. Verse 3.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah, sorry, I got derailed. The Net Bible renders that the crops given by Yahweh will bring Admiration and honor. And they say, the translators say, because the Hebrew literally means vegetation. But many English versions, reading from the translators notes here, many English versions understand the phrase semach Yahweh as a messianic reference. And they reference them the kgv, nab, nasb, niv, nrsv, nlt. Yeah, where it's capitalized. And that word is used later by other prophets of a royal descendant like Jeremiah and Zechariah. So it. Yeah, there's some. The net Bible translators, I think, go in the direction of a human ruler rather than a messianic prophecy. Yeah, I think the pride and the honor of the survivors of Israel. I think it's talking about a messianic

[Sharon Gilbert]

prophecy because then it goes on in verse three. And he who is left in Zion and remains in Jerusalem will be called holy. Everyone who has been recorded for life in Jerusalem. This is the book of life recorded for life. When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion and cleansed the blood stains of Jerusalem from its midst by a spirit of judgment and by a spirit of burning, alternately purging. Then Yahweh will create over the whole site of Mount Zion, over her assemblies, a cloud by day and smoke and the shining of a flaming fire by night. For over all the glory there shall be a canopy. What's interesting about that is this idea of a canopy. And in verse six, you get into a booth that will shade you. This may be a reference to the fulfillment of the feast of Booths, which Tom Horne used to talk about a lot. He used to say, that has not been fulfilled yet and we will see that when Messiah returns.

[Derek Gilbert]

And that was very interesting because we connected that to the. To the just passed past October 13th, the three and a half years marking three and a half years until the

[Sharon Gilbert]

arrival of asteroid Apophis, which honestly was an observation. It was not a prediction.

[Derek Gilbert]

No, it was not.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Tom has never said. He never did say that that was a prediction. He's saying, this is what I saw.

[Derek Gilbert]

And neither, by the way, neither did we.

[Sharon Gilbert]

No, we didn't.

[Derek Gilbert]

There were some folks who asked us, you know, why didn't you spend more time talking about that? It was an interesting observation, but yeah, there's nothing in the Bible that says asteride Apophisis is in fact the midpoint of the Tribulation.

[Sharon Gilbert]

It's really interesting because this verse, verse 5 is just full of stuff. You could almost write an entire chapter or book just over this because you've got Yahweh as the Branch, you've got Yahweh, who is creating a different type of assembly on Mount Zion, and references to the pillar of cloud, the pillar of smoke, pillar of fire, all of the things that had been previously seen in the Old Testament, and this flaming fire by night. For over all the glory, there shall be a canopy. Remember this idea of the glory being so bright, so you need shade from it. And what do we see in. I think it's the book of Revelation when it says that the new heaven and new earth come down, there is no sun, there is no moon.

[Derek Gilbert]

Right.

[Sharon Gilbert]

The Lord is our light. So bright. Yeah, we need a little canopy over us. Verse 6. There will be a booth for shade by day from the heat and from. For shelter and refuge from the storm and rain. These are promises of bounty and blessing contrasted with all of these judgment verses from the opening. Yeah, yeah, There's a lot in that. Chapter four.

[Derek Gilbert]

I did, by the way, find what I was looking for. That reference to the branch NETZER Is Isaiah 11, verse 1. And I'm sure that there are. You're probably sitting out there at home, been shouting it out for the past five minutes. There shall come forth a shoot from the stump of Jesse, and a branch netser from his roots shall bear fruit. But coming back to this and simach, in Isaiah 4. Two, you've got Jeremiah 23, verse 5, which uses that word, behold, the days are coming, declares Yahweh, when I will raise up for David a righteous branch. And there the ESV does capitalize it, Jeremiah 33:15 in those days. And at that time it will cause a righteous branch, capital B, to spring up for David, Zechariah 6:12, and say to him, thus says Yahweh of hosts, behold the man whose name is the branch, capital B. And so, yeah, this is a messianic prophecy in Isaiah 4.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Oh, I believe it is. Do we have time for chapter five?

[Derek Gilbert]

It's kind of a long chapter, but we're only at about 40 minutes, so we probably do, because I know we get to Isaiah 6 when he gets commissioned and we got the vision of the seraphim. That's going to take a while.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Yeah, it's just such a wonderful chapter.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. Isaiah chapter 5. Let Me Sing for my beloved my love song concerning his vineyard. My beloved had a vineyard on a very fertile hill. He dug it and cleared it of stones and planted it with choice vines. He built a watchtower in the midst of it. And here hewed out a wine vat in it. And he looked for it to yield grapes. But it yielded wild grapes. Seems to me here we're getting almost into the, the parable of the, the

[Sharon Gilbert]

wicked tenants we we might be. I, I, I love this, this verse, though this section, I should say, because you, it starts out almost like Song of Solomon. And then you get the, the Beloved who's planted this vineyard, but then puts a hedge of protection about it and digs a trench and implanted this choice vine, built a tower in the midst of it, dug a place for the wine vat in it, and I waited for it to bring forth grapes, and it brought forth thorns. That's what the Septuagint says.

[Derek Gilbert]

Well, the, the Hebrew expression, translated wild grapes. Here in verse 2, the Hebrew expression implies, and this is from the Faith Life Study Bible, that the vineyard produced stinking, inedible fruit. So not just sour grapes or uncultivated grapes, but things that are just completely unusable. And now, O inhabitants of Jerusalem and men of Judah, judge between me and my vineyard, what more was there to do for my vineyard that I have not done in it? When I looked for it to yield grapes, why did it yield wild grapes? And now I will tell you what I will do to my vineyard. I will remove its hedge and it shall be devoured. I will break down its wall and it should be trampled down. I will make it a waste. It shall not be pruned or hoed, and briers and thorns shall grow up. I will also command the clouds that they rain no rain upon it. For the vineyard of Yahweh, of hosts, is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah are as pleasant planting. And he looked for justice. But behold, bloodshed. And Hebrew could also mean well. Okay, Isaiah using wordplay. The Hebrew words for justice and bloodshed

[Sharon Gilbert]

sound alike in verse seven says, for the vineyard of the Lord of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah his beloved plant. I expected it to bring forth judgment, and it brought forth iniquity and not righteousness, but a cry.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah, for righteousness. But behold, an outcry. And again, the words for righteousness and outcry in Hebrew sound alike.

[Sharon Gilbert]

You know, Isaiah loved playing with words. He did, and it was the Holy Spirit working through him. But the Holy Spirit designed Isaiah a certain way and sort of. Yeah, I love it.

[Derek Gilbert]

Woe to those who join house to house, who add field to field until there is no more room and you are made to dwell alone in the midst of the land.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Okay, I just have to bring this comment in on verse eight. Joining house to house and field. To field. In other words, stealing property.

[Derek Gilbert]

Right.

[Sharon Gilbert]

You'll own nothing and you'll love it. That's what we're being told.

[Derek Gilbert]

Exactly. Yeah, yeah. Apply this to today. Verse 9. Yahweh of hosts has sworn in my hearing. Surely many houses shall be desolate, large and beautiful houses without inhabitant. For 10 acres of vineyard shall yield but one bath. Bath is this says one jar full.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Yeah, it's not much. 10 yoke of oxen plow the land shall yield one jar full.

[Derek Gilbert]

What, what they're saying here is that only 10% of your additional you have the initial investment will be recouped at harvest. In other words, the wicked will go into this thinking they're going to make a killing and instead they're going to lose everything.

[Sharon Gilbert]

It's interesting. That's 10%.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. 10 acres of vineyard shall yield but one bath, and a homer of seed shall yield but an ephah. A bath is about 6 gallons. So 10 acres of vineyard to give you about 6 gallons of wine.

[Sharon Gilbert]

That's not much.

[Derek Gilbert]

Not much. A homer is about six bushels and ephah is about three fifths of a bushel. So again, you just barely. Yeah, it's like 10% of what you spent.

[Sharon Gilbert]

That's essentially your seed for next year.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. Woe to those who rise early in the morning that they may run after strong drink who tarry late into the evening as wine inflames them.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Well, that isn't me. Not only not not the wine, but I also am not, you know, awake past late afternoon. Not much. Of course, I'm up at 2 or 3 in the morning, so there you go.

[Derek Gilbert]

There. Well, see? Woe to you who love rise early in the morning.

[Sharon Gilbert]

No, well, no, I, I. Yeah, but you know, here's the thing is they're working hard, but some of them are just getting drunk.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah, that's it. That's what he's. The condemnation is they have lyre and harp, tambourine and flute and wine at their feasts, but they do not regard the deeds of Yahweh or the see the work of his hands.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Suddenly I'm picturing, you know, Herod reclining on a couch.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. Someone feed him grapes and that wonderful song.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Oh, yes.

[Derek Gilbert]

So you are the Christ.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that. I love that music.

[Derek Gilbert]

Let's see, verse 13. Therefore my people go into exile for lack of knowledge. Hosea repeats that people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Yes.

[Derek Gilbert]

Their honored men go hungry and their multitude is parched with thirst.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Well, verse 13 in the Septuagint. Therefore, my people have been taken captive because they know not the Lord. And there have been. Has been a multitude of dead bodies because of hunger and of thirst for water. A lot of people die.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah.

[Sharon Gilbert]

And those that don't die are taken away.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sharon Gilbert]

In fact, many of those that are taken away die on the way there.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yes.

[Sharon Gilbert]

They're not put into nice wagons or. Or flown there in jets.

[Derek Gilbert]

Right.

[Sharon Gilbert]

They walk and they're probably whipped. And.

[Derek Gilbert]

And sadly, we've seen this relatively recently in. In history. I mean, the Trail of Tears here in the United States. But the. The Armenian genocide.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Oh, my goodness. The Armenian. They were. In the winter time, they were marched with no clothes and no shoes.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yep.

[Sharon Gilbert]

They were expected to die because it was the Pan Turkic movement. The belief was. It was much like in Nazi Germany. The belief was that the Turkic blood was pure and you had to get rid of all the others.

[Derek Gilbert]

Right. Yeah. And just horrific.

[Sharon Gilbert]

And then you could take their land.

[Derek Gilbert]

Verse 14. Therefore, shale has enlarged its appetite and opened its mouth beyond measure. Oh, that's kind of a reference to the God of death, Mother, in Hebrew, Maveth. But Maat, the Canaanite God of death, was described as having its lip on the ground and its tongue reaching the stars. Yeah. An appetite that is just insatiable.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Endless. Exactly.

[Derek Gilbert]

And the nobility of Jerusalem and her multitude will go down, her revelers. And he who exults in her man is humbled. And each one is brought low. And the eyes of the haughty are brought low. But Yahweh of hosts is exalted in justice, and the Holy God shows himself wholly in righteousness. Then shall the lambs graze as in their pasture, and nomads shall eat among the ruins of the rich.

[Sharon Gilbert]

No, no, read that again. 17.

[Derek Gilbert]

Then shall the lambs graze as in their pasture and nomads shall eat among the ruins of the rich.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Not quite the same, but probably the same sense in the Septuagint. And they that were spoiled shall be fed as bulls. And lambs shall feed on the waste places of them that are taken away.

[Derek Gilbert]

Woe to those who draw iniquity with cords of falsehood, who draw sin as with cart ropes, who say, let him be quick, let him speed his work, that we may see it. Let the council of the Holy One of Israel draw near. And let it come, that we may know it.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Oh, oh, oh. You're going to get what you've been asking for, but it's not going to go the way you Think it will.

[Derek Gilbert]

Exactly. Yeah. Basically they're saying this and mocking about the day of Judgment.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Yes.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Yeah.

[Derek Gilbert]

Where. Where is the Lord? Yeah.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Where is the promise of his coming?

[Derek Gilbert]

Where is the promise of his coming? That's what I was trying to think of. Yeah. Verse 20. Woe to those who call evil good and good evil. Who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Highlight that verse because that's one that is awfully relevant in this day.

[Sharon Gilbert]

It really is. It's much like in chapter three, where you get a flipping of society. And we see that here too. They're flipping. They're deliberately misinterpreting promises. Perhaps. But at the very least, they. They don't seem to understand the judgment that's coming.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah.

[Sharon Gilbert]

And they certainly don't seem to believe it.

[Derek Gilbert]

No. No. And those who feel like it's okay to take things out of context, proof, text, in order to justify.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Yeah.

[Derek Gilbert]

Behavior that is clearly condemned elsewhere in the Bible.

[Sharon Gilbert]

I know you and I aren't perfect at this. We're far from perfect at this. But if we learned anything from the late Mike Heiser and. And the late Tom Hornets, read the Bible in context and try to read it and understand it the way the original audience would have understood it.

[Derek Gilbert]

Right, right. That's really what we try to do

[Sharon Gilbert]

with this in cultural context.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. And why we've done the reading that we've done and the study we've done over the last 10 years. Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and shrewd in their own sight. Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine. Heroes and valiant men in mixing strong drink.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Okay.

[Derek Gilbert]

Don't know anything else, but boy am I granted. Who acquit the guilty for a bribe and deprive the innocent of his. Right.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Boy, this sounds like most governments.

[Derek Gilbert]

It does. There's a story that I just read the other day, of course, here in the United States, it's the amount of waste of taxpayer money, specifically being leering centers. Yeah. Leering centers.

[Sharon Gilbert]

If you haven't seen that, trust me. There's an actual. That's supposed to be a child care center.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. In Minneapolis.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Instead of learning center, they left the N out and it says learning center.

[Derek Gilbert]

And the sign's been up there for eight years.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Yeah.

[Derek Gilbert]

And when asked about it, they said, well, it was too cold to change the sign for eight years, apparently. But there have been a number of people, dozens who've been prosecuted up there. In fact, this. This kind of fraud in Minnesota has been sort of an open secret. It's just now gotten national attention because of a YouTuber. But there was a court case a couple of years ago where somebody was given $200,000 to bribe the lead juror in a case involving a Somali who is accused, charged with. With committing fraud. And the person had the $200,000, skimmed 80 for herself, and only offered 20. So the briber skimmed money off the bribe. Yeah, yeah, It's. You have to laugh at it, otherwise you just, you know, start looking for torches and pitchforks.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Well, we're not going to do anyway.

[Derek Gilbert]

Verse 24. Therefore, as the tongue of fire devours the stubble, and as dry grass sinks down in the flame, so their root will be as rottenness, and their blossom go up like dust. Dust. For they have rejected the law of Yahweh, of hosts, and have despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Boy, that's big.

[Derek Gilbert]

It is big. And that's the thing for us to remember. As much as we want justice in the natural realm here and now, it doesn't always happen that way.

[Sharon Gilbert]

No. And he isn't slow to act. No, he is. He's giving us time. He is kindness. He is showing kindness, giving people time to repent.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. He doesn't act on our timescale and why we want things to happen right now and get frustrated. How long, O Lord, like the souls of those who are martyred underneath the altar in Revelation 5, I think 6. 6. Revelation 5. 6.

[Sharon Gilbert]

6, I think it's 6.

[Derek Gilbert]

Okay. Anyway, it's the frustration that we humans have at God not acting when we want him to. But as Paul quoted, you know, vengeance is mine, saith the Lord, I will repay, and he will. Yeah. Therefore, the anger of Yahweh was kindled against his people, and he stretched out his hand against them and struck them. And the mountains quaked and their corpses were as refuse in the midst of the streets.

[Sharon Gilbert]

When it says mountains quaked, it may actually be geography, but it also could be spirit mountains.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. But this also was in the within living memory of that massive earthquake that took place in the reign of Kid during the reign of king Uzziah.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Revelation 6:10.

[Derek Gilbert]

Okay. Thank you.

[Sharon Gilbert]

You're welcome.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. King Uzziah. Isaiah was a contemporary of Uzziah's for a little while, and that earthquake was so massive that Zechariah makes a reference to it 250 years later.

[Sharon Gilbert]

That's a big earthquake.

[Derek Gilbert]

It was a massive earthquake. They. They estimated like a magnitude 7.8 or something. So yeah. When the mountains quaked. And it was about the time that the Assembly Assyrians were trying to conquer the Northern Kingdom. I think it was around 740 B.C. somewhere in there. I'd have to look it up. But anyway, within 50 years of the time that Isaiah was writing, so it would have been top of mind. The mountains literally did quake for all this. His anger has not turned away and his hand is stretched out still. The Northern Kingdom has been conquered by the Assyrians. And this is the thing to remember, that God will use. Use the pagans sometimes as agents of his instruments of his justice.

[Sharon Gilbert]

He often does that.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. Verse 26. He will raise a signal for nations far away and whistle for them from the ends of the earth. And behold, quickly, speedily they come. None is weary, none stumbles, none slumbers or sleeps. Not a waistband is loose, not a sandal strap broken.

[Sharon Gilbert]

This is very familiar territory, isn't it? Sounds like Ezekiel.

[Derek Gilbert]

Sounds like Ezekiel. Also sounds like Joel. Chapter two.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Yes. And I think you also get some of that in the book of Revelation. So this is. I. This is almost sounding like a supernatural.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. Their arrows are sharp, all their bows bent. Their horses hoofs seem like flint, and their wheels like the whirlwind.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Yeah. Their chariot wheels are as a storm.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. This does sound like Joel too, which sounds also like Revelation 9.

[Sharon Gilbert]

It's sort of like. Just to put it in context, it's sort of like the elves showing up at Helm's Deep.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Or the elves in the battle of Five armies.

[Derek Gilbert]

Battle of five armies. Yeah. We're talking about, again, God's supernatural agents of judgment, but again, the fact that he's whistling for nations far away. God uses the pagans sometimes to accomplish his ends.

[Sharon Gilbert]

He does. But this may be an already, but not yet.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Fulfilled in the past, but about to be fulfilled in the future.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yep. Their roaring is like a lion. Like young lions, they roar, they growl and seize their prey. They carry it off and none can rescue. They will growl over it on that day. Day of the Lord, the day of Yahweh, like the growling of the sea. And if one looks to the land, behold darkness and distress. And the light is darkened by its clouds. So, yes, this is already, but not yet, because, yeah, Judah was later attacked by the Assyrians, and basically every city in Judah fell except for Jerusalem.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Nearly everyone was taken out. Not all of them. There were a few left when the exiles returned, but for the most part, they were taken, especially those who were the young princes.

[Derek Gilbert]

Well, that was. That was the. The Babylonians, which.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Oh, that's right. Yeah.

[Derek Gilbert]

It wasn't the Assyrians.

[Sharon Gilbert]

That's right.

[Derek Gilbert]

The Assyrians took away the Northern Kingdom.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Yeah, I do mix those up, but

[Derek Gilbert]

that was still about 120 years in the future. And yeah, in fact, we. We. When we get to Isaiah 6 will be next time, which is a. There'll be a lot to discuss there. But it shows that Isaiah was a contemporary of King Uzziah in the year that King Uzziah died. He begins. Which would be around 740 B.C. so again, when Isaiah was writing about the mountains quaking, it hadn't occurred that much longer before.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Well, we mentioned that our Lord is coming back, and he is indeed. And he left us the communion service, that we are not required to do it on specific phases of the moon or times of the year or anything like that. As often as you do it.

[Derek Gilbert]

Right.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Derek and I, as many churches do, we. We try to celebrate the communion the first Sunday of each month. So this is our first Sunday back. So if you want to hit pause now and go get, you know, if you've got some unleavened bread, that's great. If you don't, crackers aren't really leavened. So you can get, you know, some crackers. And if you have wine, that. That's up to you. Orange grape juice works too. But get those elements and prepare to join us.

[Derek Gilbert]

And Paul described it in his letter to the church at Corinth. You'll find it in 1 Corinthians 11, beginning at verse 23. For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus, on the night when he was betrayed, took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, this is my body, which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me. In the same way also, he took the cup after supper, saying, this cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this as often as you drink it in remembrance of me. For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Hallelujah.

[Derek Gilbert]

Amen. Well, yeah, that is the wonderful hope, the blessed hope that we have that he is coming back. Each week we try to remember to do.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Of course, we haven't been around for about three, four weeks.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. And so we got a few questions backed up here that we will address quickly. I also tried to address these in the app. So if you ask the question, I hope I remember to give you an answer now that I've got it set up on my had to delete it off my tablet and reinstall the app so that I could log in.

[Sharon Gilbert]

I know I've had to do that same thing. I love the app. Just I don't always remember my password and. But I have my password saved in the Apple software on my devices, so it should be there just once in a while. Gets crabby.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah, the. The app is a lot of functions to it.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Crabapple.

[Derek Gilbert]

It's got the. The calendar of coming events, the calendar of our reading schedule. It's got a Bible. All of our Bible. Yeah. With multiple translations, including. Including audio translation. So you can have it read to you, which is kind of a cool thing when you're driving or whatever, mowing the lawn. But it then also has a community function where you can exchange messages. There's a prayer request area that's very active, but you can also ask questions of Sharon or me or both of us and comment on the studies or whatever. So we've got a few questions that we'll try to get through here quickly. And like I said, if you ask these. I try to address these now in the app as well, because I'm not going to assume that you're necessarily listening to the study that we've addressed. Your question. Dan asks. Hey, Derek, I have a multifaceted question. In Genesis 3:15, the enemy knows that Messiah will be of the line of eve. In Genesis 6, the watchers, the sons of God, take wives to corrupt man's genetics to try to thwart Messiah's coming. Question number one. Did Satan corrupt the Watchers to fulfill his plan, thus making a second fall of angels? We know he took a third of the angels originally. So does this mean good angels can continue to turn to the dark side? There's a question as to whether the third of the angels swept down in Revelation 12 was in the past, or

[Sharon Gilbert]

if it's in the future.

[Derek Gilbert]

Or it's in the future. Or if it's. It was in the past, when did it happen in the past?

[Sharon Gilbert]

Or if it's a continuing thing.

[Derek Gilbert]

A continuing thing. I would say that it was once and done because then he got thrown down by Michael in the Loyal Angels. But did it happen at the beginning, prior to Adam and Eve?

[Sharon Gilbert]

It depends upon what you mean. Honey bite thrown down because in Job he still has access to heaven, right? I think he just. His home away from the original home is Earth, but he's not in Tartarus. He does have access to the Earth kingdoms. And yeah, he probably. He may. And I think we need to credit La Marzulli, for saying that Satan may have tricked Shimyaza and company, who probably were sent down here with a good commission.

[Derek Gilbert]

Right.

[Sharon Gilbert]

To help mankind instead help themselves to mankind.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. That was the belief of some of the early church theologians that they had been tasked.

[Sharon Gilbert]

You know, he's not quite that old, but.

[Derek Gilbert]

No, but he's getting it. He's getting there.

[Sharon Gilbert]

He's my age. Watch it.

[Derek Gilbert]

Satan's tail swept down a third of the stars of Heaven and cast them to Earth. So, yeah. When did that happen? The Bible doesn't tell us. No, it didn't necessarily happen before Adam and Eve. It could have happened afterwards. And it. Yeah, it could be a continuing thing. Angels were created with free will, just like us humans. So that would be.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Well, yeah. And for instance, when the Lord said, I saw Satan fall like lightning, that could mean that it was in our past, as in humanity's past. Or it could be that it was something he saw when he was not incarnate, when he was still in the throne room and was at the center of all time and space. So in other words, he is. He always is present tense. There is no past future. He sees everything all at once, which is how he knew exactly how you and I would be having this conversation before he. Before the Lord even spoke the first things into existence. So he could. In the incarnate form here on earth, Jesus could say, I saw, because it was past to that incarnate version of him.

[Derek Gilbert]

Right, right.

[Sharon Gilbert]

So when. When did it happen? Will it happen? It will happen or it has happened.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah, but when? We. We don't know. I think there's some that teach that it was prior to what happened in the garden. And the Bible doesn't tell us that.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Well, I'll say again, does it mean that you don't have. He doesn't have access to the heavenlies anymore. I think that hasn't happened yet. Because when we see he's thrown down to Earth and his time is short and he's mad.

[Derek Gilbert]

Right.

[Sharon Gilbert]

I don't think that's happened yet.

[Derek Gilbert]

I agree with you.

[Sharon Gilbert]

See, there you go.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah, I agree with you. That is Revelation 12, beginning of verse 7. War arose in Heaven. Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back, but he was defeated and there was no longer any place for them in Heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down. So, yeah, I still think that's a future event.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Yeah. And that may be a point when he takes down a third.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah, yeah. But clearly there are other fallen Angels out there. Those would appear to be the angels in Psalm 82 who are judged by God. You know, though you are God's, all of you, sons of the Most High. And I think we've already addressed question number two, Dan. Did God assign good angels as watchers and they fell, or were they fallen angels assigned to watch over mankind? They were probably good in the sense that they haven't rebelled against God yet, but in the sense that they have free will, just like all of us. There is none righteous. No, not one. So, yeah, Sharon. This is from. Well, someone else named Sharon.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Well, good name.

[Derek Gilbert]

I can only purchase. Unless I. Unless, well, maybe I miscopied her name. Anyway, forgive me if your name is not Sharon, but the question was addressed to you. I can only purchase one commentary to help me in my reading of the Scriptures. If you could recommend just one, which would it be, and why?

[Sharon Gilbert]

Oh my goodness, that's a really good question. And I guess it depends upon your purpose for reading the commentary. If it's just to educate yourself, if you're writing a book. I mean, Matthew is a. Henry.

[Derek Gilbert]

Matthew, Henry.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Yeah. I kind of like reading his sometimes because it was some time ago. So you're not getting. Since the reestablishment of Israel, there are a lot of prophetic verses that. Okay, I can. I know exactly what that says because I've seen Israel come back, things like that. But he hadn't seen it yet. And I like to see how prophecy in particular was understood. An example of that, it's not in a commentary, but it's a book. The Coming Prince by Sir Robert Anderson.

[Derek Gilbert]

Right. Yeah.

[Sharon Gilbert]

He was involved in the Jack the Ripper investigation. So he was a cleric and a policeman. Yeah, and a floor wax. But he had a brilliant under understanding of the Bible and he especially thought it was important that we as believers understood the book of Daniel and its prophetic significance.

[Derek Gilbert]

Right. In fact, he wrote another book called Daniel in the critics den which defended the. The authenticity of Daniel as written by Daniel, not by. Yeah, some guy later. Because his prophecies of the coming prince. Well, the coming prince, but also the. The wars between the Greek kingdoms of Syria and Egypt, the Seleucids and the. The Ptolemies were so accurate, the wars of the 3rd and 2nd centuries BC that a lot of critics said it must have been written afterwards.

[Sharon Gilbert]

It was. Yes, exactly. But the problem is that Daniel is in the Septuagint.

[Derek Gilbert]

Right. And so the Septuagint actually predated some of those wars. So. And that was what Sir Robert Anderson was that was part of his point. In fact it was Chuck Missler who said it was the prophecies of Daniel that convinced him the Bible was true and all of the prophecies yet to be fulfilled will be fulfilled 100% so and for somebody like Chuck Missler to say that was just really astounding.

[Sharon Gilbert]

But but let me also say to you Sharon Other Sharon or or and forgive us if we don't have your name correctly, I'll double check here while you're There are a lot of free resources. If you're thinking you want to go purchase a hard copy or even a purchase a download, say a Kindle version of a commentary there are a lot of free resources. The blueletterbible.org you can click on the verse and it will give you a ton of resources for that including commentaries and and looking at the concordance the the meanings of the ver and you get to see all of the various translations as well including now they Blue Letter Bible now has the English sabrenton translation of the Septuagint there for a long time they only had the Greek and because I barely read Greek and I do mean barely I know chi means and and a few others in there Hop means the yeah. EPI means beyond or above Meta means don't even go there because that's Facebook. Exactly. But yeah I I don't pay for these for the most part. Derek has a prescript a subscription to Logos Logos Bible software which can be a little pricey if you want to get the bigger packages. But I like the free resources. Biblehub.com is another one. It's a wonderful source free and you

[Derek Gilbert]

can also go to the well the Faith Life Study Bible that we use is available online for free. You can get that at Biblia B I b l I a.org biblia.org and they allow you to create an account there and you can read translations like the Eskimo, the nasb, niv, whatever you prefer KJV on one side of the screen and have the study Bible on the other side of the screen you can also go to netbible.org and get the translators notes and they also have study notes. So if you're really wanting to do a deep dive into why did they translate this word branch here and this other word branch over there the translators will explain explain that in the net Bible. That's wonderful if you want to do

[Sharon Gilbert]

a deep dive in many ways. Yeah there are so many awful things taking place in the world right now but at the same time, the Lord has opened up these resources to us so that we can understand His Word better.

[Derek Gilbert]

And I was mistaken. It was Cynthia who asked that question.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Cynthia.

[Derek Gilbert]

Cynthia. Sorry about that. Appreciate the question though. It is a good one. And that's why we [e-mail] as we mentioned in the right hand column, links to our favorite study resources that are available for free online. And you can, in fact, the links that we've Talked about here, NetBible, Biblia Bible Hub, Blue Letter Bible, those are all there and those are all things that we use. And one final one, and I think this is a good one because it refers to end times prophecy. Again, Tim asks. I've been doing a deep dive into eschatology lately, and I'm hitting a wall with futurism. I grew up being taught that revelation is almost entirely about the future. But the more I read the actual text, the more I see language suggesting the original audience expected these things to happen soon or within their generation. For example, Matthew 24:34, Jesus says, this generation will not pass away. Matthew 16:28 tells the people standing there, some would not die before seeing him come in his kingdom. The epistles full of phrases like the time is short or the judges at the door. Matthew 26:64, Jesus tells Caiaphas, you shall see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of power and coming on the clouds of heaven. Revelation 1:7 Behold, he is coming in the with the clouds and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him. If we take these verses at face value, a first century fulfillment seems much more natural to the text than a 2000 year gap for those who hold to futurism, which includes us. How do you interpret these specific timing verses? For example, this generation will not pass away. The word in Greek is genea, which

[Sharon Gilbert]

is talking about the ones who see the revival of the fig. That's the context of that verse.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yes.

[Sharon Gilbert]

When you see the fig sprout its leaves.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yes. Which is often interpreted as the restoration of Israel. Yeah. Generation in the context, what Jesus is saying there would seem to refer to the age. In other words, this age, the end of the age being the return of God.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Right.

[Derek Gilbert]

So this generation, this, these people, this, this race.

[Sharon Gilbert]

That. That's probably true, but I'll, I'll say again, the marker for that, if I understand it correctly, is probably 1948.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah, I would agree with you. The time is short. Judge, at the time, John did get

[Sharon Gilbert]

to see the Lord in his glory.

[Derek Gilbert]

He did.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Stephen got to see the Lord in his glory.

[Derek Gilbert]

That's right. When he was being stoned, he looked up and he saw the Son of Man at the right hand of God the Father. And the Reference In Revelation 1:7, every eye will see him, even those who pierced him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn. That's a reference to Zechariah 12, 10.

[Sharon Gilbert]

And those who pierced him, that's all of us.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yes.

[Sharon Gilbert]

It was our sin. Right, My sin.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. Zechariah is referring to Messiah's return, and they will look on me, on him whom they have pierced, and mourn. And specifically, yes, referring to the house of Judah, the house of David, but in a general. In a broader sense, yes, all of us. Because it's our sin that put him on the cross.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Oh, I agree. So agree. Because if you want to get really particular about it, you can say, no, it's the Romans.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Because technically they're the ones that drove the nails.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. But bottom line is he would not have had to go to the cross

[Sharon Gilbert]

if had we not sinned.

[Derek Gilbert]

Right. But we have all sinned.

[Sharon Gilbert]

We have all. Exactly.

[Derek Gilbert]

1 John 1:3. If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is in us.

[Sharon Gilbert]

It is not in us.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. So the other aspect of that, Tim, is that there's so many apocalyptic things in Revelation, like the opening of the abyss.

[Sharon Gilbert]

It hasn't happened.

[Derek Gilbert]

That hasn't happened yet. I mean, that would be something that'd be very difficult to miss, because those things coming out for five months, those are. Yeah, those are not attack helicopters.

[Sharon Gilbert]

That didn't happen in the first century.

[Derek Gilbert]

It did not. So, yeah, the. The earth shaking earthquake, the likes of which had never been seen. Yeah. Those things have yet to be fulfilled. So, yes, we understand there's some difficulty with that language there, but then you got to look at the things in Revelation yet to be fulfilled. The mountain hitting the sea. The sea and the rivers turning to blood.

[Sharon Gilbert]

And I think that is one reason why in Revelation 6, we see those souls under the altar saying, how long? Because to some of them, it's been 2,000 years.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. And longer, I think, because some of those would be the. The prophets who were killed in the Old Testament. You know, most of them did not lead very happy.

[Sharon Gilbert]

They did not.

[Derek Gilbert]

Happy lives.

[Sharon Gilbert]

And now, speaking of happy lives, the old people report. The geezer report.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah.

[Sharon Gilbert]

See, because we are the old G's. The old geezers.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yes. The Leaning Tower of geezers.

[Sharon Gilbert]

That's us.

[Derek Gilbert]

The Pyramid of Jesus.

[Sharon Gilbert]

That is us. I'll just Go really quickly. Mine's fast. Still working on book nine of the Red Wing saga. My eyes are now able to do really well, actually. I see. I do the driving for both of us now, Derek, because he has double vision a lot, doesn't drive anymore, but. And this. The Lord's timing on it. Seriously, when you needed a driver, the Lord fixed my eyes so that I can now drive, but I can now write. I can only write for an hour or two at a time before I have to really take a break because my eyes dry out very easily, and so I have to give them a break and just close them for a while. But I'm working on it. Also planning on really quickly. Also planning on releasing book three of the Laodicea Chronicles. Garrick's book was kind of 2.55, but not really. So technically, book three is coming. That one's called Signs and Wonders. Just saw the COVID for it from Jeffrey Martis, our genius, who. Who does our book covers for us and for Defender and. And many others. And it is wonderful. He always does such a good job. But, yeah, I'm feeling much, much, much better. And now to you.

[Derek Gilbert]

I turned in my manuscript for War of War of the Watchers, book one,

[Sharon Gilbert]

because it was getting too long.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah, yeah. I'd gotten 100,000 words and had only gotten up to World War I. It's about the supernatural struggle for Israel.

[Sharon Gilbert]

In a way, it kind of addresses the book, the question we just had.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah, it does. I began in prehistory to show how there's been a cult of the dead. A cult. You know, put dead in air quotes there, because it really is the demonic spirits of the giants destroyed in the flood of Noah, demons who inspired people to worship them. And that's been that cult in and around Israel since before the invention of writing. I mean, that was what Gilgal Rephaim was for. And its sister site that we visited back in 23 with Doug Van Dorn and Doug and Janelle Van Dorn. But my purpose is to show that what's going on now and why the whole world seems just obsessed with Israel and has been since 1940, even before then, is spiritual because Israel is a small little piece of ground, smaller than the state of New Jersey. And yet it seems to be at the center of so much that happens on the world stage. And specifically that 35 acres called the Temple Mount. You know, there's no rational explanation for it except that the fallen realm know that that's where God has placed his name, where he said he will Dwell forever. And anyway, that's turned in and the book should be out by summer based on when it's going to go to the editor. We've now got to start the research for book two. As Sharon pointed out, because I had completely forgotten about the occult, the occult organization called the National Socialist Party in Germany. I need to go into all of that. So I got to do some reading on that to get at the spiritual forces behind what brought the Nazis to part.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Right. And that will take you back to the last quarter of the 19th century.

[Derek Gilbert]

Right, right. Which I dug into just a little bit with what was happening with the anti Semitism in Europe and Russia, but had not really gotten into the. The occult aspects of.

[Sharon Gilbert]

You have to do Blavatsky.

[Derek Gilbert]

Blavatsky and what, what that led to. Yeah. So there'll be all of that coming in the. That, that'll probably be my project for this year and that will be turned in by the end of the year, hopefully health wise. Part of what you're hearing with my voice and, and you're probably hearing when I inhale, it sounds a little louder than, than it used to. It's because of the, the elevated hemidiaphragm, meaning my diaphragm on the left side of my body is. It's paralyzed, it's frozen. And that makes it more difficult for me to breathe, basically. But also just dealing with a lot of bronchial stuff. And it's not an infection, it's just for some reason. Bronchial tightness.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Yeah.

[Derek Gilbert]

I've been diagnosed with a mild case of COPD this coming week. Going to go visit the pulmonologist and have them listen because I've been wheezing a lot and having to use a lot of the inhaler.

[Sharon Gilbert]

You also have some. The X rays revealed so some scars in your lungs from probably from childhood asthma, some other things, but you've been able to get past it most of your life, but now that you have diminished capacity in the left lung, it just makes it harder.

[Derek Gilbert]

Right. So that's, that's something. We'll find out more about this this week. The, the other issue, the neurological issue affecting my hands more. And I, I would say that as much as anything else because, you know, the, the double vision is once every few days, maybe once a week. Depends on how fatigued I get, but the fact that I can't. My feet are probably about 80% numb at this point. So when you're driving, you kind of need to feel the pedals.

[Sharon Gilbert]

It really does.

[Derek Gilbert]

Besides, Being paralyzed. I mean, I was able to drive with the, the braces previously and in an emergency I probably could if I had to. But safety wise, it's better for you to do it. And the fact that it's affecting my fingers, there are times when my hands are so weak that the childproof caps become geezer proof caps. Now medications, I can't get those bottles open.

[Sharon Gilbert]

I know. And I'm grateful to the Lord that I still can do it. So.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. And I've got. So you can see my hand there, my little fingers just sort of twitching right back and forth.

[Sharon Gilbert]

I know.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. So it's better if you've got a good strong grip on the steering wheel when you need it in an emergency. So. But as Sharon said, we're thankful that the Lord corrected her eyes at a point where we need. We needed somebody to drive, so she is able to do that. We'll, we'll see. I mean, we got some good news regarding medical insurance, so hopefully that will help defray the expected costs of the treatment that my neurologist is recommending. We'll find out more about that in the next couple of weeks. So. But yeah, because the treatment that he wants is without insurance. It's. It's crazy expensive. It's, you know, but it's crazy expensive. Crazy expensive.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Half a million a year.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. If you go through. Because it's the kind of thing that I might have to do every three to six weeks and it may take a week out of our schedule. Every time that it comes around, you

[Sharon Gilbert]

feel better for a little bit.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah.

[Sharon Gilbert]

But then you have to go back in again.

[Derek Gilbert]

You go back. Yeah.

[Sharon Gilbert]

It's not a cure.

[Derek Gilbert]

We'll just put it down.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Yeah, but the Lord has a plan.

[Derek Gilbert]

The Lord has a plan and he's allowing it for his reasons. And you know, if it comes, I can still type at this point, although my, my error rate sometimes gets to where I get really frustrated.

[Sharon Gilbert]

But you're starting to practice the voice to voice.

[Derek Gilbert]

To text. Yeah. May start having to use that to, to write. And we've got the tools to do it, so there. Anyway, that's the geezer report. Other than that, I mean, health wise, you know, I don't feel bad. It's just, you know, there are things that when I like try to sign my name, it looks like I'm a three year old. Just, well, oh, isn't that cute? He signs his, he can sign his name.

[Sharon Gilbert]

My signature is pretty bad too. I think as we age it, it just, it becomes harder. But in your case, you know.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. I can't hang out of the pen very well. Yeah, well, you know, I can laugh about it because, you know, the way it is kind of amusing. You just look back and things you took for granted. I had a good conversation with Judd Burton about this the other. Other day and just learning to let go of your pride when it comes to certain things.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Yeah. And there is our segue into VFTB recording. You're going to be having a conversation.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yeah. With Judd and Doug and Brian Godauer. We're going to talk tonight about a new book, relatively short, that Doug is working on.

[Sharon Gilbert]

You're recording it tonight or are you playing.

[Derek Gilbert]

Recording it tonight. And it'll. It'll be out next week, Sunday. But it is about. As we discussed earlier, the reason we read the Septuagint is because of tweaks made to the Masoretic text by the rabbis beginning in the 2nd century AD after the bar Kokba rebellion. We've referenced this, in fact, in a couple of our books. How things were changed a little bit after Bar Kokba because of the division that the fallen realm has caused between Christians and Jews, sowing discord, historically speaking. I mean, I would have thought that the split between Jews and Christians took place after the crucifixion, but that's not true. The early church, really, until Bar Kokba, was mainly Jews, Jews who had converted and become Messianic. But after that, when Simon Barkokva said, hey, I want you to fight for me, and Rabbi Akiva said, he's the Messiah, and Christians looking at the text to see Jesus said he'd come back in the clouds with great glory. And you're just standing there, pretty sure that's not you. Yeah. And so when the Romans crushed that rebellion and basically the Emperor Hadrian depopulated Judea, that caused some real resentment amongst the Jews. And then you had. While Justin Martyr, who I'd mentioned earlier, around 150155 AD wrote his apology to the Roman Senate, which was not saying, hey, we're sorry. No, it was a defense of the Christian faith.

[Sharon Gilbert]

Exactly.

[Derek Gilbert]

And he threw the Jews under the bus. Look, we Christians are good citizens. We're loyal to the emperor, not like those Jews. And, oh, man, that just. Things got worse from there. And so Doug shows how and where texts were tweaked just a little. The rabbis weren't so bold as to actually just outright rewrite the Old Testament. So as Sharon said before, we can still trust our Bibles, but it's helpful to know where these little tweaks were made. For example, the sons of God in Genesis 6. After that, the rabbi said, oh, no, no, those were human judges. Those were not the sons. Those were not angelic beings. But the Septuagint says the angels of God saw that the daughters of man were fair.

[Sharon Gilbert]

So later today, you're going to record a conversation with Doug Van Doren. It will be very. Dr. Cowbell.

[Derek Gilbert]

Yes, right. We had somebody said we need to hear more from Judd Burton. He's my cowbell. More cowbell. So, yeah, that'll be tonight and then released next week, Sunday. And well, next week PID Radio will be back. And until God willing. Yes, until then. I'm Derek Gilbert.

[Sharon Gilbert]

I'm Sharon Gilbert. We love you guys. Guys, so much. Bye bye, everybody.

[Derek Gilbert]

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