The Four Archangels

Summary

Gilbert House Fellowship: "The Four Archangels"

Podcast: Gilbert House Fellowship
Hosts: Derek and Sharon Gilbert
Date: December 21, 2025
Main Theme:
An in-depth verse-by-verse study and lively discussion of 1 Enoch (chapters 40-41), focusing particularly on the Four Archangels. The Gilberts blend biblical scholarship, Second Temple Jewish context, and supernatural worldview—peppered with humor, encouragement, and personal updates.

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Episode Overview

Derek and Sharon Gilbert conclude their 2025 studies with a reading from 1 Enoch, examining the identities, roles, and spiritual warfare implications of the Four Archangels. They dig into translation differences, discuss Second Temple worldview, and address questions from listeners, tying in practical theology and contemporary relevance.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Context (00:13–07:00)

• The Gilberts greet listeners, acknowledge the winter solstice and the cultural significance of the season, reviewing pagan traditions around the solstice.
• Derek debunks the myth that Christmas is a pagan holiday derived from Saturnalia, explaining the historical reasoning behind December 25th.
  • Quote (Derek, 06:12):
    "Christmas does not fall on or even near the winter solstice... [It] really is just that simple."

2. Updates & Community Life (07:00–12:30)

• Sharon shares personal updates, including the joy and sadness of their dogs, Grace and Glory, finding a new home.
• The hosts express appreciation for their online fellowship and community prayer support.

3. Introduction to 1 Enoch and Textual Background (12:31–15:35)

• Derek provides background on the Book of 1 Enoch:
  • Multiple English translations exist; main versions referenced are Jay Winter, R.H. Charles, Richard Laurence, and Hermenea by Nickelsburg & VanderKam.
  • The "Book of Parables" (Enoch chapters 37–71) is the focus, written around the time of Jesus and John the Baptist.

4. The Four Archangels in Enoch – Close Reading (15:36–25:38)

• The Gilberts start in 1 Enoch 40 (traditional numbering).
• Enoch witnesses "four figures" (interpreted as the four archangels) before the throne of God.
• Breakdown of Each Archangel’s Role:
  • Michael: Merciful and long-suffering.
  • Raphael: In charge of every sickness and wound ("healer of God").
  • Gabriel: Oversees all powers ("principalities and powers" of Ephesians 6).
  • Phanuel (Fanuel/Penuel): In charge of repentance unto hope for the righteous.
• Quote (Sharon, 18:31):
  "We call... some call them guardian angels... petitioning and praying for us."
• Discussion of "Satans" as multiple adversaries (not just a single being), noting that Second Temple literature and the Greek text reflect 'the Satan' sometimes as a title, not always a proper name.
  • Quote (Derek, 20:07):
    "In the Greek... it is not a proper name. Even when Jesus is saying 'Satan,' He's actually saying 'the Satan.'"

5. Interpreting 'Satans' and Angelic Roles (23:28–25:38)

• Exploration of prosecutorial angels (adversaries/accusers) and intercessory angels.
• Discussion of the Job narrative, comparing it to the Enochic understanding.

6. The Weighing of Actions and Spiritual Justice (27:28–30:55)

• Sharon reads about "the actions of men are weighed in the balance," discussing similarity and distinction between biblical and pagan ideas of judgment.
• Clarification that Christian soteriology is not works-based, but works are still judged for reward (bema seat of Christ).

7. Cosmology: Weather, Stars, and Angelic Order (35:14–52:41)

• The Gilberts explore Enoch’s descriptions of the weather, stars, and heavenly bodies—tying to ancient beliefs about deities controlling rain, storms, etc.
  • Sharon gives examples from mythology (Egyptian, Canaanite), popular culture (Dracula, Godzilla), and prophecy (Revelation).
  • Brief tangent: Godzilla as symbolic Titan referencing biblical giants, with film analysis connecting mythic and biblical imagery.
• Discussion of the sun and moon’s gender assignments in ancient mythologies and their depiction in Enoch.
• The "oaths" that keep sun, moon, and stars in their courses—contrasted with rebellious "stars" (angels) who left their prescribed roles.

8. Wisdom as a Figure and Gendered Language in Scripture (53:44–56:50)

• Derek and Sharon comment on the personification of Wisdom in Enoch and Proverbs, correcting misreadings that make the Holy Spirit feminine; the feminine aspect is a function of Hebrew grammar.

9. Listener Question Segment (65:06–77:58)

The Gilberts answer several listener-submitted questions:

• On health and Lyme disease: Derek's autoimmune health challenges and diagnostic process; Lyme tests were negative.
• On Armored Sheep merchandise: How to find and order listener-requested apparel.
• On comets and prophecy: Clarifies Tom Horn’s Wormwood Prophecy as separate from comet 3i ATLAS.
• On similarities between Mormonism and Islam: Both began with a singular revelatory figure being visited by an angel and introducing teachings outside prior scripture; biblical Christianity is rooted in multiple witnesses and archaeological confirmation.

10. Contemporary Relevance and Encouragement (79:08–End)

• Call for listeners to connect in community, especially at holiday times.
• Sharon and Derek promote upcoming events and books, including an upcoming virtual conference on "The Great UFO Deception."
• Prayer and encouragement to keep running the race, especially as challenging years approach.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Angelic Intercession (Sharon, 18:31):
  "Some call them guardian angels... petitioning and praying for us."
• On 'Satan' as a title (Derek, 20:07):
  "In the Greek... it is not a proper name. Even when Jesus is saying 'Satan,' He's actually saying 'the Satan.'"
• On Cosmic Order (Sharon, 45:47):
  "Those stars that did not come out at their appointed times... representing the Titans."
• On Christmas origins (Derek, 06:12):
  "Christmas does not fall on or even near the winter solstice... really, it’s just that simple."
• On community (Sharon, 79:08):
  "We are called to minister to one another. If you are not alone, go online and see if any of the family in the app are alone and... minister to one another."
• On ancient wisdom and myth (Sharon, 49:46):
  "Pre-flood in Sumer... the moon was male and the sun was also male... later, the moon became female and the sun remained male."

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Important Timestamps

• 00:13 – Episode opening, holiday/solstice intro
• 07:00 – Personal and ministry updates, dogs, community life
• 12:31 – Introduction to 1 Enoch & translation notes
• 15:36 – Start of Enoch 40: vision of the Four Archangels
• 17:33 – Roles of each archangel detailed
• 18:39 – Discussion of 'the Satans' (multiple adversaries)
• 23:28 – Angelic advocacy vs. accusation; judicial themes
• 27:28 – Weighing of deeds, judgment, Great White Throne
• 35:14 – Enoch’s meteorology, cosmology, and myth commentary
• 45:47 – Astronomical order, fallen stars, connections to prophecy
• 53:44 – Wisdom personified, feminine language in the Bible
• 65:06 – Listener Question Segment: health, prophecy, doctrine
• 79:08 – Encouragement for community & closing prayer

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Tone and Style

Conversational, enthusiastic, and deeply rooted in scriptural authority with frequent lighthearted exchanges and personal warmth. The Gilberts maintain theological depth, clarity, and practical application, while regularly referencing both ancient sources and modern cultural phenomena.

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In Summary

This episode provides a thorough and accessible unpacking of the Four Archangels within Enochic literature, their roles in spiritual warfare, and how these ancient texts interface with both biblical doctrine and contemporary Christian living. Peppered with listener questions and wide-ranging cultural references, Derek and Sharon encourage listeners to discern the times, celebrate Christian hope, and stay connected in fellowship.

Transcript

[A]

Foreign.

[B]

From the beautiful Missouri Ozarks. Greetings and welcome to the Gilbert House fellowship for Sunday, December 21, 2025. I'm Derek Gilbert.

[A]

I am Sharon Gilbert. And welcome to our living room. Everyone. We're delighted that you've chosen to join us. This is our last study of 2025, and because we are taking next Sunday off, we are going to go ahead and do the Enoch reading today.

[B]

Yes, we are back in the book of first Enoch. And of course, as we approach the end of the year, this would be a good time to catch up on all of our previous studies, which you can do through our free app. Yes, you can download that to your smartphone or tablet. It's got access to our studies going back to Genesis chapter one, and we've even got a section for the previous New Testament study. We'll eventually get to the New Testament, God willing, and probably go through it much more slowly than we did the first time, just as we are going through the Old Testament much more slowly this time and even more slowly because we've decided to intersperse the book of first Enoch into the studies. You'll find the link to the app stores for the various [e-mail] app.

[A]

You know, also, this is the official start of winter. Today is. It is the shortest day of the year.

[B]

Oh, well.

[A]

Which means tomorrow is going to be two minutes longer.

[B]

Well, it means today, whatever you got to do, you better hurry up.

[A]

You better. And tomorrow, what are you going to do with those extra two minutes of daylight?

[B]

No, no, four minutes.

[A]

The day after that.

[B]

Yeah, well, it's like that. We were joking before we started recording. There's a relatively popular song for barbershop quartet. You know, give me five minutes more. And so we're just approaching that week where we're very soon gonna get five minutes more.

[A]

You know, it's really interesting, too, because this is the winter solstice. You get pagan groups the world over who still like to. Honestly, I think in many ways they're just LARPing, live action, role playing, putting on their little costumes and going out to places like Stonehenge. Yeah, Stonehenge actually marks the winter solstice.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's just so happens to also mark the summer. But the winter solstice was the big one to most pagan organizations.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Most in antiquity, because the rise of Osiris. Oh. On the horizon.

[B]

Osiris.

[A]

Well, Orion.

[B]

Oh, okay, okay. Which in the ancient world would have been Tammuz.

[A]

Well, yeah. And, you know, I have done a lot of reading on Tamuzi Tammuz, whose mother was. According to some semiramis. But she wasn't. No, no, his wife was. According to most accounts that archaeologists and linguists have found, his wife was Inanna.

[B]

Yeah. Otherwise known as Ishtar or something.

[A]

That's why I say Osiris.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Whose wife was Isis.

[B]

Isis, Yep.

[A]

Dumuzi, Lord of the dead. He spends half of his year in the underworld and half of the year in the upper world, which. You know, that sounds really familiar, doesn't it? Rising and dying God like Mithras. And remember Elijah? Hey, maybe your God is asleep.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In other words, in the underworld.

[B]

Yeah. That Melqart was the chief deity of. The patron deity of Jezebel's hometown. So. Yeah, that was a dig at Melkart, which was just the Phoenician name for Hercules. So could have been the priests of baal, but BAAL just means lord, so it could have been the priests of Hercules that Elijah confronted.

[A]

You wouldn't think that. Yeah. I just picture picturing a cartoon up there.

[B]

Yeah. Disney cartoon. He's so nice. He's so funny. He's so handsome. He's so strong. Adonis is another dying and rising God, which again is another name that just means lord. Like Adonai. It's the Greek form of Adonai.

[A]

Exactly. The. The part of. I think it's in Turkey or is it in Anatolia? Not Anatolia or Armenia. It's somewhere in that region. If it's Turkey, it's southeastern. I think that there's a falls that has enough iron oxide in it that it looks once a year it's bleeding. And that's allegedly where Adonis was killed.

[B]

Phoenicia.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

It was in Lebanon.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah. Dr. Edward Lipinski wrote about that in his very important paper called El's Abode. E L, apostrophe S. El's Abode.

[A]

Yeah. The mythology we've been taught is pretty much history.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But you know, from the Fallen Realm version, it's fake news of things that they claim that they could do and had ownership over.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, an important day on the pagan calendar, but we are free of all that. And yes, today would have been the final day of the Saturnalia in the ancient world. I wrote about that a bit in the second coming of Saturn just to debunk the idea that Christmas has anything to do with Saturnalia. It does not. The dates don't match. Christmas does not fall on or even near the winter solstice. Even in the ancient world. They tracked the movement of the bodies in the heavens closely and carefully enough that they knew when the winter solstice was and Christmas. Just to give you a very quick summary, the early church in the second century trying to figure out the day that Jesus was born. There was an old tradition that well known prophets were conceived on the same day of the year as their death. And so they calculated or tried to calculate the day of the crucifixion. They got it wrong, but they came up with March 25th. So you add nine months to that, you get December 25th. It's really, it's just that simple.

[A]

It really is.

[B]

Church had. They were coming out of paganism. They weren't going to try to adopt some pagan practice and say, hey, this is. They were very much. They were more aware of that than we are today. So anyway, so we're coming into that season, which is why we will not be here next weekend. And that's why again, we're going to do the.

[A]

Well, we'll be here in our living

[B]

room, but we won't be wherever we are. When you're listening to us right now, we're not going to be in your ears.

[A]

We're going to be enjoying our vacation. Derek and I don't get very many actual vacations. We don't take very many vacations. We could. We just don't. Yeah, we like our Christmas break. In fact, the Whole Sky Watch TV family gets two weeks off.

[B]

Right. So 5 and 10 will not be available for the next couple of weeks. There are programs that will be airing from Skywatch TV that have been pre recorded, as they all are, of course, but they work ahead so that there was enough backlog to get through the holidays.

[A]

We had our company Christmas party last Thursday. And because Derek has issues with standing on his, you know, for a very long time because of balance, he likes to sit down whenever possible. So the photo was taken. Beautiful lodge in the Branson area where we had our Christmas party. Gorgeous room. So this big old chair where they allowed Derek to sit.

[B]

Big old wing back chair. Yeah.

[A]

And I'm standing next to him and then everybody's around, around his little. And he's got his little Kate. He looks like he's, you know, like the grandfather, the, the leader, the, the old man.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Who is in charge of all. And you were probably the oldest guy there actually.

[B]

Yeah, I thought about that because I figured if Dennis wasn't there, I was going to be the old man there

[A]

and I was the oldest woman.

[B]

So yeah, you and me, we're sort

[A]

of Like Grandma and Grandpa.

[B]

Grandma and Grandpa. So that was kind of funny. And of course, Joe Horn had to make a joke about it. Joe's got a wonderful sense of humor. Sent me a note, text, note, saying I should have put my chair in front of your chair because otherwise everybody thinks you're going to be running the show. Well, all right.

[A]

I made that photo. My desktop picture.

[B]

Wonderful picture.

[A]

I just love that picture so much.

[B]

The Skywatch TV family. An honor to be part of that. And we love being part of your family as well in this virtual sense.

[A]

We really do. By the way, if you haven't heard the announcement a couple of weeks ago, three weeks ago now, I think our beautiful dogs found their forever family. When we've talked about the need for health reasons to re home the dogs and we, a couple we've known for over 10 years that in fact, they helped us to buy this house. They helped us with a donation that allowed us to put enough money down that it was a good deal. They have adopted Grace and Glory. And that's still their names, Grace and Glory. And they, those girls are already loving that family.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. And they've got a wonderful location.

[A]

They're close to the.

[B]

The Space center, close to the Kennedy Space center, close to the ocean.

[A]

I think those, those girls may go to the moon. Who knows?

[B]

Well, they've. They've heard stories about things up there that need to be taken care, need to be addressed. So anyway, so your prayers. It was really the best case scenario for Grace and Glory. I mean, we miss them, we love them. We know that they were. We treated them as well as we could, but they were not getting the kind of exercise and interaction that really energetic breeds need.

[A]

Yeah. Dogs especially like that. Sam was very low key, but dogs like that need that being able to engage their noses to get out there and investigate. Because it's like you and, you and I, when we get to do reading and research, we're tickling that brain part. We need that engagement. And dogs do, too.

[B]

Yeah. And when, you know, before my mobility became limited, I was able to take Grace out and you were able to take Glory out.

[A]

Yeah, we took them out.

[B]

Both walking forward. Right. For you, trying to walk both of them would have been dangerous because Grace is really strong.

[A]

She's super strong.

[B]

Yeah. And me trying to keep her on the leash on one hand and McCain in the other would have been. Was just. Anyway, did you notice that the new family is able to do that? Walk them around the neighborhood?

[A]

Did you notice that Grace didn't pull at all.

[B]

Yeah, the young ladies, when they took him out there, she was very gentle.

[A]

They just walked as nicely as he.

[B]

Oh, yeah. New family. This is great. So, anyway, thank you for your prayers for grace and glory. And they now have a forever home where they will get the home that they deserve. So let's open with a word of prayer. Father, thank you for bringing us together over your word. And Lord, we know that there are good reasons why First Enoch is not in the Bible. However, we also know that it was well known to the apostles, not just to Peter and Jude, but to Paul and certainly to Jesus himself, John the Baptist as well. So, Lord, as we read, help us to find those places where the. The interaction between this book that helped inform the New Testament theology that we have. To which we hold dear Lord, we pray, Father, for your spirit to guide us and grant us wisdom. Help us to learn that which you would have us learn in Jesus name. Amen.

[A]

Amen.

[B]

Boy.

[A]

Yeah. I know your voice.

[B]

Gunk on the vocal cords. Yeah. The last couple days has really been.

[A]

Yeah. Even when you have no gunk. I mean, I've noticed that whatever is going on in your body, it tends to make you sound a little bit raspy.

[B]

Yeah, a little bit. Yeah. Anyway, we are looking at first Enoch, beginning of chapter 40. Once again, this is the part of the Book of Parables, which is that second section in the way the book has been compiled today. But it was the last section written of the five in the book of First Enoch, completed about the time of the birth of Jesus and John the Baptist, right around the time of the death of Herod the Great.

[A]

Now, there are a number of English translations of First Enoch. Yeah, I'm going to be reading along and I'll occasionally, if there's a big difference, I will speak up. I am in the Jay Winter version. You can get it for free online. That's how I got mine. And Jay Winter divides it up in a radically different fashion. This is chapter one of the Book of Parables in his edition, and it's beginning in verse 25 of that chapter.

[B]

And by the way, if you don't have a copy of the book of 1 Enoch, we've got links to online copies such as Dr. Jay Winter, who made his copy available for free. There are also translations by R.H. charles. There's an earlier one that is available and I've put links to all of these, by the way, like every week in the notes below the study. You can go and find the link. There's. Let's see. Dr. Jane Winter. The RH Charles. There's a Richard Lawrence translation.

[A]

I wasn't aware of that one.

[B]

Yeah, that was 1821.

[A]

That's really old. I gotta find that one.

[B]

R.H. charles was 1917. Well, there's a link right here.

[A]

Well, R.H. charles started his in earlier than that because it took him a while.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And I think it would. The. There are a lot of publications that show 1917, but I think he was in the late 1890s. I think he was working on it.

[B]

Okay. But, yeah, one of the links is online. It's parallel, so it's got Lawrence on one side and Charles on the other.

[A]

Oh, that's handy.

[B]

Jay Winter. That link opens a PDF. There's a PDF version of the RH Charles translation, which is the one that's been published by Defender Publishing. And then there's the modern English translation called the Hermenea translation by George W.E. nickelsberg and James Vanderkam, scholars of Enochic literature. And that is the one I'll be reading from here. But then when we. When you read from Winter, I'll be looking at the RH Charles and the James Charlesworth translation, which is yet another English translation.

[A]

Oh, my goodness. How many eyes do you have? Just the two. But you can see double. So take your glasses off and you

[B]

will see double the. The way the chapters are divided. And this goes back to Lawrence in 18. What was that again? 18. Whatever.

[A]

21.

[B]

1821. Something like that. Anyway, this would be chapter 40. So if you're reading anything but the J. Winter translation, chapter 40 is where we're beginning. And after this, I saw thousands of thousands and 10,000 times 10,000 they were, innumerable and incalculable, who were standing in the presence of the glory of the Lord of spirits. There word for God. They're termed for God. I looked, and on the four sides of the Lord of spirits, I saw four figures different from those who sleep.

[A]

Not now. That's interesting.

[B]

Yeah. Those who sleep, Watchers.

[A]

Those four presences different from those who sleep, would not. But, yeah, the watchers. But we also know that our Lord God the Father, never sleeps. He who never slumbers never sleeps. It's. It's really interesting. And it gets back to this dying and rising entity.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or entities. Various names that do sleep.

[B]

Yeah. Hence, yeah. Elijah's mockery. And I heard the voices. Or rather, and I learned their names because the angel who went with me and showed me all the hidden things made their names known to me. And I heard the voices of These four figures uttering praise in the presence of the Lord of Glory, are these the Caravim? Well, we'll continue reading and find out. That would be the, you know, the first. That would be the Assumption. But no, these are the four archangels. As we, as we get. As we get further in the first voice blesses the Lord of spirits forever and ever. And the second voice I heard blessing the chosen one.

[A]

This is elect one. But it's the same idea.

[B]

Yes. In other words, this here again is a reference to the coming Savior, the coming Messiah and the chosen ones who depend on the Lord of spirits.

[A]

That's really interesting. So capital E, capital O, Elect one

[B]

or chosen one, and then lowercase chosen ones. And the third voice I heard petitioning and praying for those who dwell on the earth and interceding in the name of the Lord of spirits.

[A]

I wonder if this is a reference to scriptures. It talks about the angels for these little ones, the angels who understand before

[B]

the face of God. Yeah. Are always before the face of God. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

We call. Some call them guardian angels.

[B]

Guardian angels. And the fourth voice, this is interesting. Verse 7. And the fourth voice I heard driving away the Satan's.

[A]

Yeah, this. This says that too. Fending off the Satans.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

At warfare with him.

[B]

So this is really interesting because we think of Satan as a proper name and we discussed this in the past, that we've gone through the Old Testament and the references to ha. Satan, the Satan, the adversary. The adversary. Mike Heiser used to describe that as being like a job title, like the prosecuting attorney or the district attorney, whatever. But here you've got clearly this idea. And there are other texts from Qumran, among the Dead Sea Scrolls that make references to the Satans prayer, asking for protection from the Satans, the adversaries. So begs the question, was there a belief in Second Temple Judaism that there was more than one adversary?

[A]

I would say so it's interesting that the Lord himself, Jesus, actually named Satan, was a proper name by then.

[B]

No, in the Greek it's Ho Satanus.

[A]

Oh, it's yes, the adversary.

[B]

But sometimes, sometimes the definite article, the is not there. So it's almost like it was a transitional period.

[A]

That's what I'm saying.

[B]

But in the Greek. You know, Doug Van Dorn pointed this out to me during one of our iron and myth roundtables a year and a half, two years ago. It's like. Wait, what? I mean, I knew the definite article. The.

[A]

There.

[B]

In the Old Testament, every time you see Satan, it's the Satan. Even in, like, Zechariah 3, where he's rebuking Satan, who's accusing the high priest Joshua, and it actually says, yahweh, rebuke you O the Satan in the Hebrew, that's literally what it reads, but it's in the Greek too. So, like, oh, so even when Jesus is saying Satan, he's actually saying the Satan, like, okay.

[A]

Which begs the question, is ho always there? They said there are times when it's not.

[B]

There are times when it's not. And I'd have to go through and look specifically, but I did a search for in the New Testament, Satanas and found that there were a few references where the definite article is not there. Now, is that a textual variant? I mean, ascribed in, you know, third, fourth, fifth century, whatever. Leave it out. Because by then it was assumed that it was a proper name.

[A]

But if it says Satanus, that's a singular. It would have to say Satani. If it's plural.

[B]

Well, yeah, in the New Testament, it's never plural, but the definite article, the. Is almost always there prior to Satan in the Greek.

[A]

That's interesting.

[B]

Yeah. So again, even in the Greek, in the New Testament, it is not a proper name.

[A]

Well, read the rest of the verse. I think it's really interesting.

[B]

The other question I want to ask, though, is it possible that more than one entity has been the Satan?

[A]

I agree. Read the rest of the thing and then we'll talk about it.

[B]

And the fourth voice I heard driving away the Satans, and he did not let them come before the Lord of spirits to accuse those who dwell on the earth.

[A]

And the reason I did want you to read it was because it does make it sound like they are prosecuting attorneys. Their job is to. As in Job, when Satan or the adversary goes before the Lord, or Shaitan goes before the Lord, and he says, have you noticed? Oh, no, the Lord says, because he's allowed up there in that one, he calls all the angels together and Lord says, have you noticed my servant Job?

[B]

Right.

[A]

And. Well, you know. Okay, challenge. Well, I can get him to deny you. I can get him to, you know, figure you. Don't.

[B]

Let me.

[A]

Let me at him. Give me. Give me a chance and I will tempt him away from you.

[B]

Yeah, no, it's interesting here. And I was looking at the. The RH Charles and the James Charlesworth translations. Charlesworth, which is a more modern translation, but like the RH Charles, it's based on the Ethiopic text, the Hermenea, the one I've been reading from. Combines the Ethiopic, the Syriac and Greek manuscripts to try to come up with a consensus. Charlesworth renders it the fourth voice I heard, expelling the demons and forbidding them from coming to the Lord of spirits. But he adds a footnote. Says literally the Satans.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So it's like I can't say the Satan's because people like. Oh, no, that's. That can't be right.

[A]

Well, it can't be demons because they're not allowed in heaven.

[B]

Right, exactly. So Charles Worth was taking a liberty with the. The text there. Yeah, yeah. Did not let them come before the Lord of spirits.

[A]

So to accuse them who dwell on the earth.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

So we've got angels petitioning and praying for.

[B]

Yeah. And then a fourth one who is basically keeping the accusers, the adversaries, to not allow them to accuse those who dwell on the earth. Verse 8. And after that I asked the angel of peace, who went with me and showed me everything that is hidden. Who are these four figures that I have seen and whose words I have heard and written down? And he said to me, the first one who is merciful and long suffering is Michael. So again, we're getting the archangels here. The second one who is in charge of every sickness and every wound of the sons of men is Raphael Rapha. Rapha, yeah.

[A]

Which means healer of God.

[B]

Hebrew word meaning healer. Right. The third one who is in charge of every power is Gabriel Powers.

[A]

That's a type in Ephesians 6.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Principalities. Powers.

[B]

Right, exactly. The third one interceding on the name of the Lord of spirits. Okay. The fourth one, who is in charge of the repentance to hope, of the repentance to hope of those. What? Who is in charge of the repentance to hope of those who inherit everlasting life.

[A]

This one says something very similar. Who has said over the repentance unto hope of those who inherit eternal life. It's.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

An interesting way to put that, but it's sort of like intercessor. We've got accuser. Accuser.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And the one who is keeping the accusers away.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Is petitioning for us.

[B]

Right, right. That's Fanuil. P H A N U E L. I've got a note there. What does that note say? Hello. What is the note? Oh, okay. Attached it to the wrong verse. I'd made a note. Raphael is based on Raphael.

[A]

According to this, Funuel is in the Gospel of Luke.

[B]

What?

[A]

That's what this is saying, known as the angel of repentance, of hope. Archangel Phenuel. Trying to see where it is in the Gospel of Luke.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Sometimes spelled Penuel.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Or Peniel or Fanuel.

[B]

Well, I can do a quick search here.

[A]

Penuel sounds more familiar.

[B]

Yeah, I think that is a name that has shown up once or twice in the. In the Bible. Let's do an inline search here.

[A]

Penuel, he's leader of the Ophanim.

[B]

Well, there. There are a few.

[A]

Allegedly.

[B]

Yeah. Jeroboam built a city called Penuel.

[A]

Well, yeah, I don't know that that is related, but definitely not name that sounds familiar.

[B]

Yeah. The only archangels that are mentioned in the Bible itself are Michael and Gabriel. Yeah. Okay, back to, let's see, verse 10 of chapter 40. These are the four angels of the Lord of Spirits and the four voices I heard in those days. And now we go to chapter 41. So over to Jay Winter.

[A]

Okay. Jay Winter, we're still in chapter one. So I'm now at verse 35. And after that, I saw all the secrets of the heavens and how the kingdom is divided and how the actions of men are weighed in the balance. It's an interesting statement because a lot of pagan beliefs believed that your. Your actions were weighed in the balance in the afterlife, depending upon, for instance, Egyptian, your heart is weighed against a feather.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And if the heart doesn't weigh more than the feather, then you get into the great, sweet, sweet afterlife. But otherwise you don't.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you are doomed.

[B]

Crocodile food.

[A]

Yeah. You and I both know, and I know that you listening. You are aware that Christianity, faith in Christ, in his redemptive blood is not works based.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So weight in the balance. We are indeed. However, as believers, we are going to stand or kneel before the bema seat of Christ. The bema seat. And it isn't whether or not you are saved or not, because his redemptive blood already did that. He's going to. You're going to see how your many actions in this life are received by the Lord. And those that have no value iron, sorry, Hay, stubble and straw, they will burn up. And I had a friend many years ago, John, who said, don't be anywhere near me in that line, because mine is going to be a conflagration. He was one of the most humble men you'd ever meet.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And yet he, as with the Apostle Paul, who called himself the chief sinner. Right. Anyway, those are the things that our sins are forgiven, but we still have actions that we can do, free will. So. Yes. And how the actions of men are weighed in the balance. And there I saw the mansions of the elect, the mansions of the holy. And mine eyes saw there all the sinners being driven from there, which deny the name of the Lord of spirits, and being dragged off. And they could not abide because of the punishment which proceeds from the Lord of spirits. Boy, that sounds like the Great White Throne judgment.

[B]

Yeah, it kind of does. Charlesworth renders it a little differently. He said, there I saw the dwelling place of the sinners and the company of the holy ones, instead of the mansions of the elect and the mansions of the holy.

[A]

Well, it seems to be in this. The way I'm getting it is that mansions, mansions sounds. It's diametrically opposed to being dragged off.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. So I'm not sure.

[A]

Here's the good place, the mansions prepared, as our Lord says, He prepares a place for us.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And those who, frankly, aren't covered by the blood of Christ, they are pulled away.

[B]

He is.

[A]

And bear in mind, first, Enoch is not in the Bible for a reason.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

You can learn what the. The traditions and the belief systems were of those who lived during this time period.

[B]

Yeah. And one of the things that. This is a window into how some religious Jews in the Second Temple period, which includes the period of Jesus and the apostles, understood theology, which was based on the Old Testament as we look at it today from a Christian perspective. The thing that is really interesting, and this was a discussion that we had on iron and mythology, not the most recent program, but the one before where we talked about the Book of. No, the one before that, actually, where we discussed the Book of Jubilees.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

Yeah. Which was written at about the same time as the first section of 1 Enoch, the book of the Watchers. Whereas the Book of Enoch's theme, even though it's written in different sections and this section, again written by the Essenes in the North. Well, so is the Book of the Watchers actually. The Essenes actually came from the North. The group at Qumran was a splinter group that split off from the main body of the Essenes. The theme of the Book of first Enoch is that the world is in such a mess because the intrusion of the Watchers, the angelic sons of God, that only the intervention of the Chosen One can put things right. God's direct intervention. We'll see as we get deeper into this that the Chosen One clearly is identified as God himself. It's another manifestation of God, the second power in heaven, Yahweh, but not Yahweh. Like the angel of Yahweh in the Old Testament. Whereas the book of Jubilees theme was the world's in a mess, so we have to follow the law. It was a reaction to the Greek influence on the Jews and the fact that they were forbidding them to be circumcised, requiring them to do Greek things like you have to participate in the gymnasium or whatever. And the Jews were. The religious Jews were very much opposed to that.

[A]

Well, let me read this again because there's a little part of it that I think is really important and I would. If you're on a tablet or your phone or whatever, then highlight it. Otherwise, if you've got a paper copy, then highlight it the old fashioned way. And there I saw the mansions of the elect and the mansions of the holy. And mine eyes saw there all the sinners being driven from there which deny the name. The name of the Lord of spirits, Second power in heaven. Hashem.

[B]

Yeah, that's. Boy, you could do a whole hour just on name theology. The name was an aspect of the person of God. In other words, it wasn't his reputation.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Yeah, we even see that in Eugaritic with the. In the Rephaim texts. Those were the texts that summoned the Rephaim to the threshing floor or tabernacle of El, which is the summit of Mount Hermon. And there the blessing of the name of El would revivify or resurrect the Rephaim.

[A]

Yeah, it's the fake news version of what really happens. The name Hashem. Jesus Christ.

[B]

So again, we're not talking about the reputation of God. We're talking about, you know, an aspect of God manifest.

[A]

So again, the sinner is being driven from there which deny the name of the Lord of spirits, and being dragged off and they could not abide because of the punishment which proceeds from the Lord of spirits.

[B]

Nickelsberg and Vanderkam use the word scourge that went forth from the Lord of spirits. Charlesworth says, plague, you will need to

[A]

holler when I reach the end of your chapter.

[B]

I will.

[A]

Okay. And there mine eyes saw the secrets of the lightning and of the thunder, and the secrets of the winds, how they are divided to blow over the earth and the secrets of the clouds and dew. And these I saw from where they proceed or from whence they proceed in that play, in that place, and from whence they saturate the dusty earth. A couple of comments.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Did you want to say something first?

[B]

Well, yeah, yeah. Okay. We're getting to some weird chapter divisions Here. Okay. They. Yeah. Charlesworth and Nicholsburg in the Hermenea translation, insert after verse nine there. For no angel hinders and no power is able to hinder.

[A]

That's not in here at all.

[B]

Yeah, that's verse nine. For the judge sees them all and judges them all in his presence. Then. Yeah. Okay, goes Verses. Okay, here we go. They reorder the verses here. Verse 1, verse 2, then verse 9. Then they go to 42, verse 1, 2 and 3, and then back to 41, verse 3.

[A]

That's very strange.

[B]

That is very strange. So I'm going to pretend that. That I'm going to go over to RH Charles.

[A]

I think it's best. Because frankly, most people listening probably have the RH Charles. Many of you may already have that wonderful Defender edition of the book first and perhaps even Dr. Michael Heiser's commentaries. I'll say again, in the winter. It's verse 37. And in the RH Charles, it is.

[B]

Which verse are you referring to?

[A]

And there mine I saw the secrets of the lightning.

[B]

That's 41, verse three.

[A]

Okay. And there, mine. I saw the secrets of the lightning and the thunder and the secrets of the winds, how they are divided a blow over the earth, and the secrets of the clouds and dew. And there I saw from whence they proceed in that place, and from whence they saturate the dusty earth. Now, what I wanted to say a couple of things. There is very rarely in Dubai a major lightning storm, a major thunderstorm. There was one a few days ago, and some may have been one of these CCTV cameras that caught amazing footage of lightning strikes. And in that area, you'll see a lot of really tall buildings. And there is an extremely tall building. Building with a very. In fact, it moves up like a spire.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And gets very skinny toward the top. At least it looks skinny from a. From that photo and appears to have some sort of tower on the top as well. You know, like a. An antenna. I don't really know what it is, but it got struck by lightning and it was a. I would. I would recommend that you go to any news source online and just type in Thunderstorm Dubai and you'll see this amazing footage. But that's the kind of thing that at the time this was written, getting rain in that dusty, dry area meant everything, because it doesn't rain that often in Israel. And this was. If you had a deity who could guarantee that you would get rain, then that's more than likely a deity that you would want to pray to. And of course, you and I and all of our listeners, we know who the real creator of the rain and the one who brings the rains, he created all of these things. And all of the entities who pretend that they're the storm gods, they're liars.

[B]

Liars. Yep.

[A]

However, they might have some control. Very limited, but they may have some control over what, bringing winds and things like that. And the second comment I wanted to make on this verse just relates to. As I'm writing book nine of the Red Wing Saga, I have a number of plot points that relate to Dracula the novel. And the reason I'm doing that is because Bram Stoker is. If you haven't read the Red Wing Saka, Bram Stoker's part of the story and he's one of the good guys in the story and hangs out with the good guys and helps them. And his book Dracula was published in 1897. This opens in April of 1894 and goes through the end. Book nine will go through the end of that century. And so he will get into writing that book. And in the book Dracula, he makes it clear that Dracula the vampire can control the weather, he controls fog, he can create mist, he can create thunder. He brings a great storm when he's on board a ship.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He has a. As a vampire cannot cross running water, so he has to, since just about everybody on the ship is now dead. You know, got a long voyage, got a snack. So he. He was killing the sailors, and in order to get his ship to the location, he created a storm that blew it into the shore.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then he jumped out of it as a dog. As a wolf, I should say. So the idea of a storm deity is actually in the book Dracula.

[B]

Yeah. And we've talked about this before. We actually devoted an episode of Unraveling Revelation to the movie Godzilla, King of Monsters.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Which is 2016 film, if you like Kaiju films. You know, giant monster films.

[A]

And we'll be watching those.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah. It's our.

[A]

It's our annual Christmas Kaiju marathon.

[B]

Because nothing says Christmas like Kaiju.

[A]

The.

[B]

If you're familiar with the Godzilla mythos, there. There was one main enemy. One of Godzilla's main enemies was King Ghidorah. Ghidorah, which was a three headed dragon,

[A]

originally was designed to be seven, but they couldn't control the puppet. Couldn't control.

[B]

Right back in the 60s when they did the original films and they were using guys in rubber suits, the puppeteers couldn't control that many heads. It's based On a Japanese myth, actually an eight headed dragon. And I forget the name of the dragon in the Japanese legends, but still, I mean, you know, seven, eight, you're getting into the same territory now. It's like, gee, where in the Bible do we find a seven headed dragon? Oh yeah.

[A]

And you see the eighth is one of the seven.

[B]

Yeah, a couple of them actually. You've got Satan, which is the seven headed red dragon. And then you've got the seven headed chimeric beast that comes out of the sea in Revelation 13, which is actually how dragons were depicted in the ancient world. Part leopard, part, you know, serpent, part, you know, whatever, that's how they, they saw dragons. But in the, in the 2016 film, first of all, they rebranded all of the monsters as Titans, which if you've been following us for any length of time, you know that we believe the Titans of Greek mythology. And the Greeks just got their religion from Canaan. BAAL is Zeus, Kronos is El. The Titans are the sons of God from Genesis chapter six. They are the old gods of the Hurrians and the Hittites. Basically, it all connects together. So the Titans are these giant monsters and Ghidorah is suddenly given the power to control the weather. Not only that, he falls from space in the story, you know, he's not from earth, he came from outer space. In other words, he fell from heaven. Like Satan in the Gospel of Luke. Godzilla then would represent the one coming out of the abyss, which would be the sons of God, Abaddon, Apollyon. Even though there is another monster in the film called Abaddon. But anyway, that's sort of the way they've adopted, whether they know it or not.

[A]

Yeah, because his home is under the ocean.

[B]

Yeah, in the abyss. And the sea in the Old Testament represents primordial chaos and the bottomless pit. So, yeah, so the storm God, when you see that Jesus identified baal, who was the storm God of the canaanites, Zeus, Jupiter, etcetera, as Satan. Matthew 12, beginning verse 22. Also Revelation 2:13, the Pergamum where Satan dwells, that's a reference to the great altar of Zeus. Satan, Storm God Ghidorah. Satan. Yeah. Anyway, just some interesting connections there. If you have eyes to see, you can start looking at these things for the symbolism that the filmmakers may not have even realized that they were putting into the film.

[A]

That's entirely possible. So verse 38, the winter version. And there I saw closed chambers out of which the winds are divided. The chamber of the hail and winds, the chamber of the mist and of the clouds, and the cloud thereof hovers over the earth from the beginning of the world. And I saw chambers of the sun and moon, whence they proceed, and whither they come again, and their glorious return, and how one is superior to the other, and their stately orbit, and how they do not leave their orbit, and they add nothing to their orbit and take nothing away from it. And they keep faith with each other in accordance with the oath by which they are bound together. Now, this is really an interesting verse. Those stars that did not come out

[B]

at their appointed times.

[A]

At their appointed times, yeah.

[B]

Gosh, what was that first Enoch, chapter 21? I think so.

[A]

Yes. I think so.

[B]

Yeah. The Seven Burning Mountains. That these are among the stars of heaven which have transgressed the commandments of the Lord, might have been verse 18.

[A]

What's interesting is chapter 18, rather the sun and the moon in this, this tale, this parable, chapter 18. Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They. They do stick to their orbits.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They don't change them. They come out when they're supposed to.

[B]

Right.

[A]

They. They go away when they're supposed to.

[B]

Yeah. That's very interesting. Yeah. That they would be. Again, stars is an Old Testament type reference to angels, as in the book of Job, where, you know, the morning stars sang with joy, which is reference to the angels singing for joy when God creates the universe.

[A]

And in prophecy, when we see that these stars fall from heaven, a third of them.

[B]

Yeah. Coming down with Satan's tail sweeping them from heaven. So. Yeah. One Enoch 18. He sees seven burning mountains and was told that those are the stars that the angels that did not come out

[A]

at their appointed times, representing the Titans.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think that was what Mike Heiser believed. Am I mistaken on that?

[B]

I don't remember him saying that, but he could be right.

[A]

He did talk about those seven burning mountains.

[B]

He referenced them and connected them to the stones of fire in Ezekiel 28.

[A]

Oh, that's right. That's right.

[B]

It came out from the stones of fire. You know, the rebel from Eden being cast out from among the stones of fire.

[A]

It's also interesting that the next verse. And first the sun goes forth and traverses his path according to the commandment of the Lord of spirits. And mighty is his name, Name forever and ever. The fact that today is the winter solstice has to do with the path of the sun.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so the Lord set up the moon and the sun to have specific. Specific points where they rise and set throughout the year, which affects the length of the days. Yeah, I Think it's fascinating that so many ancient civilizations figured that out.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And the 18 and a half year track of the moon.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You have to really have generations, you know. Okay. I'm going to mark where the moon comes up today and where it sets today and then go on from there.

[B]

And to be able to do that generation after generation and to communicate and preserve that knowledge in a culture like, for example, the Chaco Canyon in Colorado.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Where they didn't have writing.

[A]

Mm. They. The actual confirmation of their buildings.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You can see that. That is how they laid it out. Next verse. And after that, I saw the hidden and the visible path of the moon. And she. She accomplishes the course of her path in that place by day and by night. The one holding a position opposite to the other before the Lord of spirits. Now, I think this is. You've got a male sun and a female moon. Now, before the flood in Sumer Sumer, the moon was male and the sun was also male.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But later on, as you got more towards 1st century and beyond, especially in medieval times, the moon became female and. And the son, the judge, Judge Saul. The Romans worshiped a male son and a female.

[B]

But in Canaan, it was a female son, Shapash, and a male moon, Shemesh. Eurek.

[A]

Well, interesting.

[B]

Eugaritica is Hebrew is Shemesh.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So, but male sun, male or female sun and male moon. Yeah, so yeah, they. They kind of go back and forth.

[A]

Yeah. Inanna is supposed to be the moon, Nana's daughter, and the sun is Nana's brother. So.

[B]

But of course, that's all.

[A]

They're all liars.

[B]

All created at the same time.

[A]

Exactly. They're all liars.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they give thanks, they being the sun and the moon, I assume. And praise and rest not. For unto them is their thanksgiving rest. And they give thanks and praise and rest not. For unto them is their Thanksgiving rest. I'm not sure what that means. Oh, oh. Maybe by giving thanks, somehow that feels like rest to them. For unto them is their Thanksgiving rest.

[B]

Looks like it's a little difficult here in the translation. Charlesworth renders it this way. They give thanks, they praise, and they do not economize on energy, for their very essence generates new power. Well, okay, that's first seven. Let me see what the Hermonia translation renders it. And the one is opposite the other in the presence of the Lord of spirits. And they give praise and glory and do not rest. For their praise is rest for them.

[A]

Okay, yeah, that kind of is what I was thinking, for the sun changes oft for a blessing or a curse. And the course of the path of the moon is light to the righteous and darkness to the sinners, in the name of the Lord. Again, name who made a separation between the light and the darkness and divided the spirits of men and strengthened the spirits of the righteous in the name of his righteousness. For no angel hinders and no power is able to hinder. For he appoints a judge for them all, and he judges them all before him.

[B]

Okay, that is the end of chapter 41 in the traditional rendering. And I. Now I see why Nicholsburg and Vanderkam did what they did.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

Because. It appears that what we just read, chapter 42, and what you just read in the. You know, the Widder version being chapter 42 in the RH Charles, chapter 40 or 41 is what you just read. Chapter 42 appears to be out of order, and they think it actually should fit. There's only three verses in chapter 42 that it should have been inserted before the verse that reads. And there my eyes saw the secrets of the lightnings and the thunder. Oh, okay, so let me. Let me back up and take a run at this. And you can see how they put it together, because it kind of makes sense.

[A]

Okay, so this is in which version?

[B]

This is in the Hermonia translation, which is the newer translation by Nickelsberg and Van der King. Okay, going back to chapter 41. And my eyes saw there all the sinners who deny the name of the Lord of spirits being driven away from there. And they dragged them off and they could not remain because of the scourge that went forth from the Lord of spirits. And then they skipped to verse nine. For no angel hinders and no power is able to hinder. For the Judge sees them all and judges them all in his presence. Then they skip to 42, verse one. Wisdom did not find a place where she might dwell, so her dwelling was in the heavens. Wisdom went forth to dwell among the sons of men, but she did not find a dwelling. Wisdom returned to her place and sat down in the midst of the angels. Iniquity went forth from her chambers. Those whom she did not seek, she found, and she dwelt among them like rain in a desert and dew in a thirsty land. And then they come back to verse three of chapter 41. And there my eyes saw the secrets of the lightnings and the thunder.

[A]

Okay, those verses follow what I just read.

[B]

Exactly. They take those verses and like I said, they insert them into this section

[A]

Here taking editorial license.

[B]

Editorial license to make a better narrative flow. Anyway, this is. We. We've encountered wisdom in one of the psalms where she is depicted as a female.

[A]

Proverbs, isn't she?

[B]

Yes, yes.

[A]

Wisdom going through the streets.

[B]

Right. And that is used by some to claim that, see, there is a feminine aspect to the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is feminine or God is effeminate. No, it's very simply this. The word translated wisdom in Hebrew is a feminine noun.

[A]

And that's why I think that we get a gender assigned to the sun and the moon in this, what I just read. Because nouns, proper names, they all had gender. If you've ever studied a foreign language, many of the foreign languages, not English, but many foreign languages, the definite article in front of a noun.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is indicative of the gender of that noun.

[B]

I remember that from French. La and look. La or le. Feminine and masculine. So this, this. The. The gender activists really going to have some problem when they come to the European or the Romance languages where they have to. No, no. You need to neutralize all the genders there. What? The entire language has to be rewritten to accommodate our beliefs.

[A]

That's one of the real big challenges, not only understanding that you're going to have to deal with these gender assignments, but also. If it's nominative case, it's one thing. If it's accusative case, it's another thing. If it's dative case, it's another thing. If it's ablative case, it's another thing. I know. Declension of nouns, it's so hard. It is hard. I agree.

[B]

Well, anyway, so that's what we get through this week in the book of First Enoch.

[A]

Let me highlight.

[B]

Yes, make a note there and where we stopped coming back to chapter 43. And we will continue with more astronomical secrets, the lightnings and the stars of

[A]

heaven, sometime next year.

[B]

Yes, in 2026.

[A]

Here's my question. Our vacation actually runs through the 4th of January. I think Monday the 5th is when you technically sort of go back to work and you produce a 5 and 10.

[B]

Right.

[A]

By the way, that's your birthday.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Shouldn't you take your birthday off, too? Come on, Joe. Yeah, and besides Grandpa Derek, the day off.

[B]

Besides, I've got an owie. I don't really. So, yeah, it would. So I. I think we're gonna be off for two weeks then. So we'll take off for two weeks and just partly to. Yes. Enjoy the time off at the end of the year, but also both of Us are writing and wrote about a thousand words last night on War of the Watchers.

[A]

I've written about 2,000 more on book nine. It takes me longer for a lot of reasons. Many of you know that I had to take time off because of my eyes. Took a long time for them to finally get straightened out. They're doing pretty well. And old people report they're doing pretty, pretty well. Had both my cataracts removed and recovered from that. And the meibomian gland dysfunction, which is dry eye syndrome, possibly caused by Sjogren's. I'll find that out sometime in January. It's mostly under control. There are days where even my visual acuity is still good in my right eye. It's the worst of the two eyes and it will just water like crazy and feel like it's mad at me. And those are days where I can only work for 20, 30 minutes tops before the right eye says, I'm out of here. I've done it. And other days I can write for several hours. So it's moving slowly, but it's getting there. And the exciting thing, as I said yesterday, the exciting thing for me is that during the time off, and this often happens when you're sure, okay, this is exactly how I'm going to sort of wind out this plot and it's going to go from here to here to here to here to here in this particular book. And of course, all of that went out the window as I was discovering some things during our research. And because I did a lot of reading, I was able to read pretty well with just closing my right eye or putting a patch over my right eye. It's more difficult to do that writing. But I'm so excited about the things that I have uncovered in my research. Oh, yeah. So anyway, the book is changing a little bit, but that makes me happy.

[B]

Well, good. My report is simply this. Notice that, but with the compression gloves that you got me, which are for arthritis, copper infused compression gloves that when I keep them on longer during the day, I've got more dexterity. The neurological issues have been affecting my hands of late. And the paralyzed feet. Okay, I can kind of stomp around. I've got the braces and a cane so I can get around okay. But I would really like to be able to keep typing just because that's a lot of what we do is just writing. So then, you know, if I go to speech to text, all right, I can deal with that. But I noticed yesterday, as I kept the gloves on most of the day, that my dexterity was much improved. So that was. That was a good thing. Send a note to my primary care physician because the most recent set of CT scans, which we mentioned in a previous episode, which the abdominal CT scan showed that the stent that was inserted last year is doing good. Doing well, I should say. Don't have to go back for a year for a checkup on that. And Divine appointment, the nurse practitioner came in and reviewed the CT scan, was very excited to hear about where we go when we do our Israel tour. So he was going to check into that and perhaps join us on our next Israel tour.

[A]

And I pray that we're able to go.

[B]

Yeah, well, I'm planning on it.

[A]

Well, we, seriously, Derek and I, we are planning on this and we'll tell you we managed to get through it last year, but we'll see.

[B]

Yeah. But the abdominal CT scan did note enlarged liver and spleen, so. And I'm not sure that my primary care team took note of that, so I wanted to make sure that was called to their attention. So anyway, we'll see what that's all about because that was not noted on either of the two previous abdominal CT scans from last year. So this appears to be something that has. I'm literally blowing up inside that. That is concurrent with the. The autoimmune issue that's popped up. That's really flared over the last year.

[A]

Yeah. The good thing is that the Lord who is allowing this. Many, many of you are praying. We've had lots of wonderful prayer warriors pray over Derek. Derek and I pray daily. We trust in the Lord. He is allowing this for a reason. And he has spared your thinking ability, your cognitive.

[B]

So far. Yes.

[A]

Abilities so far. Yeah. And yeah, it's a little, you know, annoying, I'm sure, with the typing, especially for an error rate as you type. Yeah, that's one reason I keep my nails short. I don't have issues with typing. But if they grow very long at all, I mean seriously, much at all, then I find myself hitting wrong keys. So I don't like doing that. So I can. But I'm glad that the little gloves. We found these gloves actually on Amazon and they're. They're similar to the name brand that you've probably heard before, Tommy Copper. But they are not. They're sort of a.

[B]

About half the price of Tommy Copper.

[A]

Much less than half.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And anyway, I, Yeah, there's a fellow who spotted me watch wearing them on an episode of 5 and 10 and asked about them and I told I gave him the link at Amazon and he's got rheumatoid arthritis and he tried them and said that they're really helping. So. And again, yesterday I noticed really a definite difference. I mean, until yesterday I would have said, yeah, maybe, kind of. But the day before I noticed I was really having trouble typing. My typing rate was just awful. Yesterday helped a lot.

[A]

So you probably have some days that are better than others anyway.

[B]

Yeah. So that. And like I said, just trying to get a handle on what's going on with the. The enlarged liver and spleen. It could be Epstein Barr virus, which I know the blood work I had done in the spring showed I'm carrying quite a bit of EBV around me.

[A]

Yeah, well, those two are. It very well could be. There. There are other things that may point to ebv. And some of you have asked about the possibility of Lyme disease. Derek has just going to go to

[B]

that in the questions here, Jan, because we've got several questions. We end up the year with several questions. Jan had sent a note asking to you, actually, through our app. This would be in the conversations area inside our mobile app asking whether she recommended listening to the RFK junior Lyme Disease Roundtable. And Lyme is one of those diseases that is becoming more. People are becoming more aware of it and doctors are learning to look for it. But, Jan, thankfully my primary care physician is really on the ball. And that was one of the first things that they did when he sent me for blood work. They had a number of tests run for autoimmune issues, but they also made sure to check for Lyme antibodies and those were negative. So that was something we would have asked about because, yes, we are in an area that's got a lot of ticks.

[A]

We.

[B]

I've been bitten by three that I can remember over the last 10 years.

[A]

But you got them off. We got them.

[B]

Got them off very quickly.

[A]

Very, very quickly.

[B]

And one of them was the Lone Star tick that can inject you with that alpha Gal protein that can cause an allergic reaction to red meat. Thankfully, that's not been a problem. I'm planning on getting a big old hamburger when we go out to lunch today with our friends.

[A]

There you go.

[B]

So, Jan, thanks.

[A]

It's our annual lunch.

[B]

Thank you for your suggestion. You were thinking right along the lines of my primary care doctor.

[A]

You've got a great primary care doctor. He is a big believer in nutrition.

[B]

Yeah. Yes, very much so.

[A]

More of a less. Let's get some chemicals in you and hey, let's see if there are ways that we can do that are natural.

[B]

And he was looking at also some off label uses of some generic medications to slow my immune system and the use of testosterone, not for muscle growth, although that's been a great side effect because that's helped put weight back on that the autoimmune issue had taken off. I mean, I again just the other day saw a video that was recorded back in the spring and thought, how did I not see that? I was getting really gaunt. I know I didn't see it at the time, but I can see it now anyway. Testosterone regrows myelin, which is the protein sheath around nerves, and I think it has slowed the progression of this issue over the past year.

[A]

I so agree with that. So thank you for your prayers and for your questions. Got another one?

[B]

Yes, Deborah asks Good morning, Sharon. I would like details on where to order the armored sheep mugs.

[A]

Oh, Deborah, we can put a link in the notes for here, but it is through Kenny C. And his fiance Gidget Manning. She does those. She makes the teach, the caps and the mugs. And you can get an armored sheep T shirt or, you know, hoodie. I think she's got those too. If you so desire.

[B]

Yes. In fact, if you go into our show notes below every episode, episode, every study, I've got a bunch of, you know, notes and things. Get our free app video on demand of our teachings, a link to our streaming video site where you can, you know, rent teachings or travel documentaries, whatever. And then there's a link to where it says we have merch. And if you click that link, that'll take you to our online store and from there you can link to the place to get. No, it takes you right to Lighthive Creations.

[A]

Well, there you go.

[B]

So you can get armored sheep. There's a garment sheep cap, armored sheep shirts, the lovely and talented Kenny C. Modeling the armored sheep T shirt and holding an armored sheep mug at the same time.

[A]

Yeah, I love that.

[B]

So yeah, if you click the link that says we have merch, that's where you can find all of the armored sheep stuff. There is even a listener, God bless her, who had that logo turned into a sticker and put it on the hood of her car.

[A]

Big magnet that she put on her car. And just our permission, mind you.

[B]

That was wonderful.

[A]

So, yeah, yeah, I'm glad. I'm going to try to get back to doing armored sheep once I get through book nine. Also next year, book wise, probably going to release a book called Angel Falls.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[A]

Which if you've read Winds of Evil and you know about John Thundercloud, it is an adventure with John Thundercloud when he was younger.

[B]

John Thundercloud is a wonderful character.

[A]

I love that character. Also going to be releasing Signs and Wonders, which is book three of the Laodicea Chronicles.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And possibly even a fourth book. I don't know if it's going to be White Skies, but essentially it's book four and it sort of follows the characters of Armageddon's Train in another adventure.

[B]

So the God Conspiracy, like book two and a half or something.

[A]

That's really kind of what I'm calling is two and a half because your, your cover does not say book three.

[B]

Yeah, it does not.

[A]

We just sort of say it shares the universe with.

[B]

Right. So, yeah, we're sharing characters and writing in the same fictional universe. The novel I've been working on, slowly, the God Game, actually brings in some Red Wing or some Red Wing stuff.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. There's a character that I so, so love.

[B]

Oh, wonderful creation. Thank you for sharing. All the great ideas in my books come from Sharon.

[A]

Oh, I don't know about that.

[B]

Wendy asks. Good morning, Derek. I have a question about this comet that's getting closer to Earth. That'd be 3i. ATLAS called 3i because it's the third interstellar stellar object spotted coming through the solar system using the ATLAS telescope. The question is this. Didn't Tom Horton mention this in one of his books long before it was even spotted? Were I getting it mixed up with another comet? Hope all is well. Thank you, Wendy. Yes, this was Tom's book, the Wormwood Prophecy, which is about asteroid Apophis.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Which is the one that is coming on April 13th of 2029.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Yeah. And in the discussion, the interview about that, which was in the old Skywalk TV studio, you and I were interviewing Tom and he'd mentioned that and said that there are some teachers who believe that Wormwood. And again, this is assuming that this is Wormwood From Revelation chapter 8 comes at the midpoint of the seven year great tribulation.

[A]

It's not 100% obvious that it is that, but I think it's a good assumption.

[B]

Yeah, but there is nothing in the Bible, by the way. We have to be clear. There's nothing in the Bible that says Wormwood marks the midpoint of the seven year Great Tribulation. There are just some teachers who believe that.

[A]

Right. But just on the clues, it seems that very well could be midpoint. And if it is, then we backed

[B]

up three and a half years. We got to October 13th of this year. Since we're past that. No, we didn't get raptured out of here. So either we're looking at pre wrath, mid wrath or mid 24th, or it's simply not. It's simply not the midpoint of the seven year old.

[A]

But it will show up eventually. And it gets into the stuff that we were talking about today. The stars and the sun and the moon and all of them obeying what the Lord designed them to do and what he called tells him to do.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

Except for maybe other things. But Three Eye Atlas just made its close path.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Pass on 20th or the 19th.

[B]

Yeah, just a couple days ago.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So it's, it's already swinging back out towards outer space.

[A]

Yeah. And it danced past and.

[B]

Yeah. So the. See the wormwood is the third trumpet. The second trumpet, judgment is the great mountain burning with fire that's thrown into the sea. And we argued in the book Giants, Gods and Dragons that those two trumpets, the great mountain and wormwood could be entities rather than asteroids.

[A]

Right. I think that it's entirely possible. We'll see.

[B]

You know, we, we won't know for sure until we're looking at it in the rearview mirror. And it's because God does not reveal his plans completely to the fallen realm, because trust us, the enemy's reading the scriptures as well.

[A]

It's why so many in the first century missed.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. You already come. What happened?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And one final question here. Leon writes. Hi, Derek. Have you ever noticed the eerie similarities between Mormons and Islam? They pretty much have the same origin story, but with different names and locations. Is it possible Islam is just a twisted version of Christianity, much like the Church of Latter Day Saints? Similarities in that you have one guy, Joseph Smith and Muhammad, who are visited by an angel. We'll put that well. Well, we'll say an angel in one case Moroni, the other Gibriel, AKA Gabriel, but delivering a message that contradicts the Bible. So yes, in that regard there are some eerie similarities because unlike Christianity and Judaism, you can't confirm any what Joseph Smith or Muhammad was told.

[A]

You have to take them at their word.

[B]

Right. Whereas this is why Paul wrote First Corinthians, chapter 15, which was all about resurrection and the importance of believing in the literal bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ. And he writes that he appeared first to Peter and then of course he appeared first to Mary, the two Marys, but to Peter and then to James and then to the 12, then to 500 brothers all at once, most of whom are still alive. In other words, there are still witnesses. Don't trust me. Go to Jerusalem. Ask around. That is how we've got the confirmation. Then you've got the archaeological confirmations of finding things just where the Bible puts them, like the recently discovered Pool of Siloam. Again and again, these things are found that confirm the Bibles. In fact, I just watched a wonderful video by a man wearing traditional Arab dress. He apparently is a Jordanian. And he said, a friend of mine here in Jordan was telling me that there's no evidence that Israel ever existed. It's a modern creation. It never existed. And he said, come with me. And so they went to the museum in Amman, the archaeological museum in Amman, Jordan, which we would love to visit.

[A]

Oh, yes, yeah.

[B]

There is a replica there of the Moabite stone.

[A]

Well, we saw that. We saw that in the one we visited.

[B]

Yes, they've got another one in Amman. But, yes, we saw the one in the citadel, and maybe that's where I took them to.

[A]

Yeah, there's another.

[B]

There's the Jordan. Yeah, the Jordan Museum. Yeah, we didn't get to go to that one.

[A]

No, we went to the one on the citadel, and that's where the meeting stele duplicate.

[B]

Yeah. And he said, now, right here reads that it was that for many years his kingdom had been oppressed by Omri, King of Israel, for Chemosh was angry with his land, the Kingdom of Moab. So his friend was like, what? Well, yeah, see? But Israel lost. He said, that's not the point. You said Israel didn't exist. And here's this thing from the 9th century BC says Israel. Anyway, yes, archaeology is confirming the narrative of the Bible. Archaeology does not confirm Islam. In fact, archaeology says there was nothing at Mecca in Arabia prior to like 900 AD, which is 200 years after the time. 300 years after the time of Muhammad.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And Islam. You know, the Mormons. I'm sorry, those gold tablets.

[A]

Sorry, Running with those. Running with those very heavy.

[B]

Several hundred pounds of gold tablets. Yeah. Okay. So anyway, yeah, Leon, good question. Yes. Similarities between Mormons and Islam. Fallen angel coming and finding somebody who was able to promote. Look, Mormons are very nice people. Wonderful people.

[A]

They are.

[B]

And many Muslims are very nice people. We've been to Jordan three times and just really, really had wonderful experiences.

[A]

It's not being nice, but being nice

[B]

does not get you in heaven.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Which, sadly, a majority of American Christians still believe anyway. So thank you for your questions. If you want to toss questions at us. Feel free to do it through our app or you can send us email@infoilberthouse.

[A]

So in the meantime, we want all of you to have a wonderful, wonderful Christmas season celebrating with family and friends. And if you're there by yourself, you know, I know some of you do spend your holidays alone and feel free to go on the app and talk to others.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, that's a really good.

[A]

Don't be alone. Go on the app and talk to others.

[B]

I need to get my app to where I can actually get at the. Get at the messaging section on my tablet here because I've got a keyboard.

[A]

I know I have.

[B]

My fingers are getting jittery and trying to swipe type on my phone and

[A]

that's why I very rarely actually type out answers. So that's why I like doing it this way.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But many of you, you do, you, you interact with one another. You forming a family. And that's what we' called to do. We are called to minister to one another. And if you are not alone, go online and see if any of the family in the app are alone and, you know, minister to one another.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. A lot of prayer going back and forth and people asking, how are you doing? Praying for you, praying for your son, praying for your husband. You know, it's really a wonderful thing. One other note that I want to bring to your attention, and this is something only because this is coming up very quickly after the first of the year and I don't want it to get lost. Elie Marzulli is hosting a very timely virtual conference on the UFO deception. And this is timely for a couple of reasons. Several reasons. First, Congress in the fall held hearings on the UFO issue. In fact, our congressman from here in southwest Missouri, Representative Eric Burleson, has taken a lead in trying to get at the heart of what's going on here. He's a Christian, he's become friends with Tim Albarino, and so he understands there's a spiritual component to this and he's getting it out in front of into the Congressional Record. So pray for Representative Burleson because surely there will be some who will come out and start attacking him for that. Secondly, we had the documentary that was released just last month on disclosure. And so the world is being proselytized not just through that so called documentary, through congressional hearings. Hey, there's a whistleblower who says we recovered biologicals, but through Hollywood. And that's the other aspect. You may have seen the trailer for the new Steven Spielberg film. I mean, a Spielberg movie is always a big event because, I mean, Jurassic Park, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, ET the extraterrestrial.

[A]

Indiana Jones movies.

[B]

Indiana Jones movies, all of those. Spielberg's got a movie coming out next June. June 12th of 26. 6 12. Oh, that's two sixes. Six. Six. Six of 26. Called disclosure day. And the trailer is very mysterious. It doesn't really reveal what the, you know, disclosure is, but clearly there's going to be a religious aspect to it because one of the characters featured in the trailer is a nun and you see it close upon the crucifix in her hand. And she's asking, why would God create such a big universe just for us? Okay, well, that's why L A Marzulli is presenting this conference. I've got my presentation turned in, but other speakers include Gary Stearman, Alan Didio, Vicky Joy Anderson, Timothy Albarino, Josh Peck, Larry Ragland, Mondo Gonzalez, and great lineup. Yeah, this will be January 16th and 17th. So it's coming up very quickly. Very affordable. Just 19, just 20 bucks. Basically, if you want to get a group together and watch this, it's on a Friday evening and then all day Saturday, they're going to stream it one after another. So in other words, it's not like you go online and then click what you want to watch. Go to L. A marzulli.net lamarzulli.net and that will be where you will purchase access to it. Yeah, so anyway, that's the deal. And actually we've offered a special for anyone who signs up for that. You'll get 20% off with a special promo code when you sign [e-mail], 20% off on our streaming video site.

[A]

So anyway, by the way, the Spielberg movie is coming out, as you say, on June 12, 666. Sort of hidden 666. But June 12 is also the creation day of Superman. Superman day is celebrated amongst those who love those comics and the whole many films that are and other TV shows that have been based on Superman. And Superman is just an alien who has godlike powers.

[B]

Right. So that's kind of what we're expecting with the Spielberg film. I don't know. Well, of course, we live so far away from a theater that I was going to say that might be one worth seeing.

[A]

Yeah, we'll wait until.

[B]

We'll wait until it's available.

[A]

They come to the streaming sites pretty quickly. You just have to pay for them if they're kind of new.

[B]

Yeah. So anyway, trying to counter that with that disinformation, with some biblical information. That's the La Marzulli Great UFO Deception Summit coming up in just three weeks. So lamarzulli.net in the meantime, Merry Christmas

[A]

to you and happy Happy New Year. We will see you in probably, gosh,

[B]

second Sunday of 26, I guess. Well, look at a map, look at a map, look at a calendar. Yes, we're going to map out the new year. Yeah, that would be the. That would be the 11th. We'll close with a word of prayer. Father, we thank you for bringing us together again. And Lord, we pray as we come into this season where we remember your entrance into our time space domain as one of us. May we remember the reason for which you did it, to redeem us from these fallen entities who have rebelled against your authority. Try to claim dominion over this beautiful creation that you've entrusted to us. May we feel that love and reflect that love to those around us. Our family members, our friends, our colleagues. May we remember those who are alone at this season. Reach out to them so they don't feel quite so alone. Father, we pray for your blessing. We pray for those in need of healing. We pray for those who do not yet know you, Lord. Father, we pray for those who've been affected by wars, by conflicts, as we know from your word that we are seeing tribe against tribe rising up even here in America. We see the division, the anger, the hatred. Lord, may we reflect love to those around us and always be ready to give the reasons for our hope in you, but with gentleness and respect. Father, we also pray for the peace of Jerusalem. We pray for our friends in Israel and we pray that your spirit would manifest to them shining the light of truth and being a blessing. Lord, we know the years ahead will not be easy. But we know that you have already prepared places for us in your kingdom until the day that we are called home or until the day that you return. Lord, may we continue to run the race with all of our strength. We ask for your blessing on all those who are hearing my voice right now, Father. And we give thanks for your mercy and for your love. We pray in Jesus name, amen.

[A]

Amen.

[B]

Until the new year. I'm Derek Gilbert.

[A]

I'm Sharon Gilbert. We love you all. Bye bye everybody.

[B]

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[A]

Sam.