The Son of Man

Summary

Gilbert House Fellowship – “The Son of Man”

Date: January 25, 2026
Hosts: Derek and Sharon Gilbert

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Overview

In this episode of the Gilbert House Fellowship, Derek and Sharon Gilbert continue their monthly study of 1 Enoch, focusing on chapters 43–49 and the emergence of the messianic “Son of Man” concept. They situate these passages in their ancient Jewish context and connect them to New Testament ideas about messiah, judgment, and the supernatural conflict underlying worldly chaos. Along the way, the Gilberts blend practical observations on winter storms and contemporary geopolitics with deep dives into ancient texts, all suffused with their trademark warmth, humor, and spiritual encouragement.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Weather and World Events

• Winter Storm Recap — The episode opens with tales of severe winter weather across the U.S., with warnings about ice, power outages, and heartfelt prayers for those affected.
  • “About eight, maybe nine inches of snow... Many of you didn’t get snow, you got ice.” —Sharon (00:22)
  • “Somebody commented... Americans will do anything to avoid using the metric system.” —Derek, on a ‘golden retrievers in trees’ meme (02:08)
• Driving in Dangerous Conditions — Advice includes:
  • “Drive as if you’re going to a Sunday pitch-in after church. You got your grandma and a pot of gravy in the car—you do not want to spill gravy on grandma.” —Sharon referencing a social media post (02:16)

Socio-Political Context and the Spiritual War

• Current Turbulence and Its Deeper Roots
  • The Gilberts note the proliferation of “chaos” and political division as a manifestation of deeper spiritual battles.
  • Discussion of the London School of Economics and the Fabian Society as illustrative of subversive, long-term strategies for societal change.
    • “Named after a Roman general... a wolf in sheep’s clothing. You wait until you get people sufficiently fooled...” —Sharon (05:46)
  • “If you don’t look at the spiritual forces behind [the chaos], you’ve got blinders on.” —Derek (07:59)

Return to 1 Enoch: The Book of Parables

• Contextual Importance
  • 1 Enoch, especially the section known as the Book of Parables (chs. 37-71), reflects Second Temple period Jewish expectations and is foundational for later Christian messianic thought.
    • “1 Enoch is important because it showed that there was a group of Jews in the Second Temple period... convinced the world had been so corrupted by the rebellion...” —Derek (08:51)
  • Emphasis on the Essenes as the likely originators of these ideas, situated in the Galilee and further north.

Supernatural Themes in 1 Enoch (Chapters 43–49)

[14:45–55:17] In-Depth Exegesis:

• Angels, Stars, and Lightnings as Supernatural Beings (43:1–2)

  • “He’s referring to supernatural entities here... lightnings, stars, righteous balance, weighed according to their light...” —Derek (17:05)
  • “Stars is an image people are familiar with, but the idea of lightnings being angelic beings...” —Derek (18:21)
  • “In Revelation, when John hears seven thunders—are these just sounds or entities speaking?” —Sharon (18:30)

• Loyalty of Angels, the Judgment of Rebelling Entities

  • Discussion of faithful angels (the “holy ones”) who “dwell on the earth” and act according to God’s design (20:53–24:46).
  • “The messenger angels... look just like men. Maybe it’s because they’re blending in.” —Sharon (24:39)

• The Second Parable and the Fate of Apostates (45–46)

  • Introduction to a messianic judge who will separate the righteous from those who deny the “name of the dwelling of the holy ones.”
    • “If you deny the name... you are in sort of a limbo state... you don’t get to go to heaven, you don’t get to be on earth.” —Sharon (29:22)

• The “Son of Man” as Messianic Figure (46:1–4; 48)

  • The first clear title of “Son of Man” as a preexistent, righteous judge and king, predating even Daniel 7’s use.
  • “This is the first appearance of this as a title... probably written in the last 20 or 25 years before the birth of Jesus.” —Derek (34:57)
  • “He will crush the teeth of sinners... overturn the kings from their thrones... because they do not exalt the name of the Lord of Spirits.” —Derek reading Enoch (36:38)

• Judgment, Restoration, and End-Times Imagery

  • Judgment against the unrighteous, rest for the faithful, and the Son of Man’s role as both redeemer and eternal king.
  • “Wisdom is poured out like water, and glory fails not before him forever... unrighteousness shall disappear as a shadow...” —Sharon (54:44)

• New Testament Connections

  • The Gilberts draw direct lines from Enoch to the Gospels, Paul, and Revelation, noting how ideas like messianic pre-existence, living water, judgment, and the divine council are rooted in these older texts.
    • “This confirms that this Son of Man is God himself.” —Derek (46:11)
    • “He shall be the light of the Gentiles... all who dwell on earth shall fall down and worship before him.” —Sharon (46:02–47:46)

Spiritual Application & Theological Cautions

• Rejecting “Messiah Plus” Theology

  • Critique of doctrines suggesting believers must “prepare the world” for Christ’s return.
    • “If you have the mindset that we as human beings have to prepare the earth... that is Jesus plus, that’s Messiah plus... it starts with us, and he just doesn’t have the power to come back? It’s wrong.” —Sharon (57:35)
  • “We are not to take control of the world through political means ... that’s playing into the hands of the Antichrist.” —Derek (58:41–58:57)

• Historical Context of Messianic Expectation

  • “Jews generally... would not accept a suffering servant. Some of them just didn’t want to lose their jobs. If Messiah is actually here... we’re gonna have to give up our nice cars and our mansions...” —Derek (59:42)

• Practical Spirituality

  • Encouragement to trust God in the midst of personal and societal suffering, echoing themes from Job.
    • “Just because we have problems doesn’t mean we’re not in the Lord’s hand... sometimes it’s to show the fallen realm, do you see how much they continue to trust?” —Sharon (86:06–86:22)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On The Metric System:
  • “Somebody commented... Americans will do anything to avoid using the metric system.” —Derek (02:08)
• On Humility in Interpretation:
  • “So we need to approach this subject with humility and praying for wisdom and discernment, which we always do.” —Derek (11:40)
• On the Son of Man Title:
  • “The first appearance of this as a title... The Son of Man... this was probably written in the last 20 or 25 years before the birth of Jesus.” —Derek (34:57)
• On Messianic Authority:
  • “This confirms that this Son of Man is God himself.” —Derek (46:11)
• On Spiritual Warfare:
  • “Trust is a powerful weapon... If you trust in the Lord, it is like coals of fire on the heads of those who didn’t.” —Sharon (86:22)
• On Suffering:
  • “Many of you out there listening, you’re going through it, too. You’re going through things that are just as hard and maybe much worse... Trust in him.” —Sharon (87:18–87:41)

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Timed Segment Highlights

• 00:22–03:49 — Midwest winter storm stories; opening banter and driving advice.
• 05:06–08:36 — Historical context: Fabian Society and its influence on culture and politics.
• 08:51–11:40 — Introduction to 1 Enoch, the supernatural context of the world, Essene theology.
• 14:45–26:44 — 1 Enoch 43-44: Angels, lightnings, stars, and parabolic meanings.
• 27:02–33:10 — 1 Enoch 45-46: Second parable; judgment of those who deny the dwelling of the holy ones.
• 33:21–40:53 — 1 Enoch 46-47: Head of days, Son of Man, and his messianic functions.
• 44:15–55:17 — 1 Enoch 48-49: Pre-existence of the Son of Man, judgment, hope for the righteous, dissolution of unrighteousness.
• 57:35–58:57 — Theological caution against “Messiah Plus” or dominionist thinking.
• 62:47–67:46 — Q&A: Ron Wyatt’s archaeological claims discussed.
• 70:28–72:00 — Personal update: Rehoming pets for practical and health reasons.
• 81:23–86:22 — “Old People Report”: The Gilberts discuss personal health challenges and faith.
• 90:00–92:59 — Closing prayer: “May we reflect your light to those around us.”

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Closing Reflections & Resources

• Book Recommendations & Further Study:
  The Gilberts encourage listeners to explore 1 Enoch (including Mike Heiser’s companion volumes) for its foundational influence on messianic expectations, and reference free tools provided in their show notes.
• Community & Support:
  Listeners are invited to share prayer requests via the Gilbert House app and connect in community, especially those struggling with hardship or isolation.
• Upcoming Events:
  Information about Israel tours, conferences, and ongoing collaborative work is shared enthusiastically.

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Summary

This episode’s deep dive into Enoch and the emergence of the “Son of Man” motif reveals not only vital connections to Christian doctrine but also the importance of context, humility, and supernatural awareness in interpreting both scripture and current events. The Gilberts’ warmth and wit shine as they guide listeners through ancient texts, contemporary challenges, and the hope found in Christ’s ultimate victory—a message especially poignant in trying times.

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For Further Information

• Show notes and linked translations: gilberthouse.org
• Community and prayer requests: Gilbert House App
• Books discussed: Mike Heiser’s Companion to the Book of Enoch (see show notes for special offer)
• Upcoming events and Israel tour: See “Upcoming Events” at gilberthouse.org or the app calendar

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Transcript

[A]

Foreign. From the snow covered Missouri Ozarks, greetings and welcome to the Gilbert house fellowship for Sunday, January 25, 2026. I'm Derek Gilbert.

[B]

I am Sharon Gilbert and welcome to our home. Everyone. We're delighted that you've chosen to join us this Sunday morning. You know, many of you, Derek just opened saying snowy coverage. We've got about eight, maybe nine inches of snow. Many of you didn't get snow, you got ice.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Down in Dallas.

[A]

Dallas across to the Carolinas. I'm gonna have to check in on my sister and brother in law a little later today because they're expecting about a half an inch of ice over there.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

But those power lines, you get a quarter to half an inch of ice and power lines start snapping. So I haven't seen this morning yet, I haven't checked the news to see how many people are without power around the nation.

[B]

You know, it could be that much ice to snap the power lines, but also you'll get trees that will lose limbs and the limb coming down can snap the power line or at least

[A]

cut off your electricity and perhaps, you know, land on a roof which can also cause damage. It's a serious thing. But there was a rather comical infographic that was displayed on social media. Some, you know, weathercaster decided to calculate the weight of a quarter inch of ice on a tree with a 30 foot crown. So like a medium sized maple tree or something. And I forget what the weight is, but the calculate the equivalent weight was 109 0.5 golden retrievers. And it showed all these little golden retrievers sitting in the tree.

[B]

Sitting in the tree. Don't let that many golden retrievers get in your tree.

[A]

Well, yeah, the 110th golden retriever is just one too many.

[B]

It's just one too many.

[A]

Yeah. Somebody commented to that post that Americans will do anything to avoid using the metric system.

[B]

You know, there, there was a graphic that I shared to social media of advice from a weathercaster. And so it was a screenshot or a photo of the television of the advice was, okay, here's how you drive on ice. You drive as if you're going to a Sunday pitch in after church. You got your grandma in the car with you. She's got a bunch of gravy that's hot. And you, you don't want to spill gravy on grandma.

[A]

Exactly. That's a good way of doing it. I think another way to do it is you just don't.

[B]

Yeah, don't.

[A]

Because there is no traction for you on ice. Unless you have studded snow tires. And those really aren't very popular anymore.

[B]

They're. Well, they're not legal anymore in a lot of states.

[A]

In a lot of states, they tear up the roads. Yeah. So, yeah, if you're living in that area, anywhere from Texas to the Carolinas, that banned stretching across Arkansas, Tennessee, Northern part of the southern states, it's really, really a hazardous day. And we just pray that if you are in danger of being without power that you are prepared. This was a major event, and this is one of those storms that will be talked about for quite a long time, especially because following this storm is a winter blast. We're expecting temperatures, I think the lowest temperatures we've seen in the middle part of the country since 1985.

[B]

Boy, that's a long time.

[A]

Yeah. Where's that global warming when you need it?

[B]

Yeah. Well, you know, it wasn't that long ago that Al Gore said in five years that most of the north was going to be warm.

[A]

Yeah. No more snow.

[B]

No more snow, no more ice.

[A]

Yeah. Well, that showed that turns out not to be.

[B]

You noticed how gorgeous went into hiding.

[A]

Well, he was at the World Economic Forum.

[B]

Oh, did he show up there?

[A]

He was at the World Economic Forum. And he actually booed Treasury Secretary. Not Treasury Secretary, the Commerce Secretary, Howard Ludnick, who gave a really good speech, a couple of them actually, basically saying globalism is dead. And his comments so upset the globalists at Davos that Gore booed his remarks at a private dinner hosted by the CEO of BlackRock and the chairperson of the European Central Bank, Christine Lagarde, walked out on him.

[B]

Was it. What was the name of the blackrock guys? Think.

[A]

Larry Fink. Yep.

[B]

He has essentially said that all of this Net Zero stuff has got to go.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. And that didn't play well with the globalists either.

[B]

No.

[A]

But. Yeah. Well, we're starting down a PID radio road here, but.

[B]

We are. But really quickly, I know that there's a lot of chaos going on in the world and that does get to supernatural activity. But just one little tidbit. You and I are familiar with London School of Economics.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it. And the London Economics Forum, which is sort of tangential to that. But the economic. The School of Economics, if I remember correctly, was founded by Fabians.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Who were socialists.

[A]

Yeah. Fabian. Not the, you know, the 1950s singer who had left one head.

[B]

This guy was named after a Roman general. This, this organization, the Fabian Society, were. They were named after a Roman general who was sometimes called the famous Fabian the delayer, because he knew how long to wait. I think they may have done that because their original crest or. Or one of my choices. Yeah. Coat of arms. Thank you. Was a wolf in sheep's clothing. So you wait until you can you get people sufficiently fooled that you're really a sheep before you reveal yourself.

[A]

Then you start getting bitey.

[B]

Yeah. Well, there are a lot of Fabianists in society.

[A]

There are. And I think that's at the core of a lot of the chaos that we're seeing here in the United States.

[B]

I think so too.

[A]

We've developed into a two party system here in the United States. There are other political parties. Basically, the Republicans and the Democrats hold all the power and they collaborate to keep other parties from getting a seat at the table. So communists, socialists have figured out that they've just burrowed into the Democratic Party and then in certain areas they have taken it over. Like in New York City. I would suggest that Minneapolis is another one. Portland, that area out there. Portland. Seattle. On the far west coast.

[B]

By the way, early on, the Fabian Society embraced eugenics.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Which I find so interesting because they also essentially liked the idea of people on the dole.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

Yeah. Which is what we see now. Essentially a whole bunch of people who've been imported to be on welfare.

[A]

Yeah. Well, it's a guaranteed one party rule.

[B]

Yeah. But a true eugenicist would have said, no, I'm sorry. If you're too lazy to work, you're not worthwhile for society. Therefore we got to weed you out.

[A]

Yeah. Remove you from the gene pool. Well, it is. Yeah. We're living in very interesting times. And as you say, we could talk about the politics of it, but we don't really get an understanding of it. You've got blinders on if you don't look at those spiritual forces behind them. And that is what's at work here in the country right now. And again, that's not to say one party is good and the other party is bad. It's not that. We just need to look at the spiritual forces that want the chaos and why they want us at each other's throats.

[B]

And this segues into today's return to First Enoch because it really takes a look at the supernatural truth about the world we're living in.

[A]

Yeah. First Enoch is important because it showed that there was a group of Jews in the Second Temple period. And as we discussed in our first episode of the book of 1 Enoch, our study, which we do on the last Sunday of each month, was written by Essenes and probably various groups of Essenes, but almost all of them located in the north, not just around the Sea of Galilee, but further north, all the way up to the city of Dan at the foot of Mount Hermon. And these Essenes were convinced that the world had been so corrupted by the rebellion.

[B]

I gotta close. I can hardly see my screen. Yeah, the white snow cover is making what light is out there seem like it's a spotless.

[A]

It's a gray, cloudy day, but it's snowing fairly heavily here right now. And it has been for about the last, oh, day, 24, 36 hours, really, that unlike other Jewish groups, or I hesitate to say sects, but say the Pharisees and the Sadducees, the Pharisees in particular believed that as long as they just continued keeping the feasts and the festivals and offering the sacrifices, that things would ultimately work out. Messiah would return and the world would be purified. The Essenes were the group who believed that the rebellion of the fallen angels as described in Genesis 3, Genesis 6 and Genesis 10, Tower of Babel incident, Genesis 11. Excuse me. That only God's personal intervention through an agent of his judgment would fix the world. And that's why we're in the book of 1 Enoch. It is a supernatural, as Sharon puts it, it's theopolitical world that we live in. So we just need to be careful that we don't assume that because we call ourselves followers of Jesus Christ, that anyone who disagrees with us is a heretic, you know, disagrees with us politically is a heretic.

[B]

Oh, no, no. We all have different opinions on president. You could walk into a church, you know, congregation of Baptists and ask them, okay, who should be president? And you could get five different answers. Even though two candidates are all you've got.

[A]

Exactly. So we need to approach this subject with humility and praying for wisdom and discernment, which we always do. But again, the book of 1 Enoch helps us to get a window into the understanding of Jews in that period of time just before the birth of Jesus. Especially this section, the Book of Parables. So we'll open with a word of prayer and then we'll dive into the text. Father, thank you for granting us this day. And Lord, we pray for those who've, who are in the path of this storm, who've been receiving this downpour of frozen rain especially. But Lord, we especially lift up the first responders, the drivers of the plows, the police, the EMTs, fire crews and linemen working to restore power to those areas that have already lost it. So, Father, we pray for their safety and that those who have lost power would have it restored soon, especially in the face of this oncoming bitter cold. Lord, we pray as we read this text today to help us discern those portions that help us better understand the supernatural war in which we are. Of which we are apart. Lord, we know that there are forces at work in our world, not just inside the United States, but things that are happening in other parts of the world. The brutal crackdown of the protesters taking place in Iran and the threat perhaps of war between the United States and Iran. We pray for the wisdom, your wisdom, to guide our president and other world leaders as they seek to resolve this situation. Lord, as we study today, help us to focus and we pray for your spirit to guide us and show us that which you would have us learn. And we ask this in Jesus name, Amen.

[B]

Amen. It's really quiet outside.

[A]

It is. It's almost as though, in part it's because there's not much traffic out there because the road is covered, but. And the road on which we live is rather twisty and windy.

[B]

Very.

[A]

The Ozarks are hilly, lots of hills, so.

[B]

Yeah, it's the Ozarks.

[A]

Exactly. It's a really good way to find yourself off the side of the road somewhere. And on this particular road, because it follows the ridge, if you go off the road, you could wind up going down the side of the hill and being lost for several days.

[B]

Yeah, we don't joke when we say that our neighbors on one side are cattle, the other side it's just coyotes. Because. Yeah, no one could have a house on that slope.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, we. We sit on top of the ridge. But it's also like the snow just sort of sucks up the sound.

[B]

It's like a. That's true.

[A]

A blanket of sound absorbent material out there.

[B]

Oh, I like that. A blanket.

[A]

So in First Enoch, we are now in Chapter 43, and this is according to the chapter designations developed by R.H. charles. Chapter 43 is where we'll begin today in the J. Winter translation, which is one of the free translations available, which, by the way, we've linked to in our study notes as well as a PDF copy of the RH Charles translation.

[B]

We are in the same chapter we were in last time, except we're beginning with verse 49.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

The reason I can't. If I back up, I will lose my spot. Because it's a continuous PDF. Well, I don't have pages that I can. It's the only option I have.

[A]

I would not do that if I were you. There's also an earlier translation, by the way, of the book of First Enoch, done by a guy named Richard Lawrence, and that was done in 1821.

[B]

Oh, that is early.

[A]

Yeah. And one of the links that we've got in our study notes, and we put it there every week so that you can find these again. There's a couple of free PDFs, again, the Dr. J. Winter translation, which is a modern translation, the R.H. charles translation. We've got a link to a free PDF of that that you can download. But then there's an online Parallel translation with R.H. charles on one side and the Richard Lawrence translation on the other. I've also got my Logos Bible software. I've got the R.H. charles side by side with another new translation by Dr. James Charlesworth. So Charles and Charlesworth. And I'll be reading from the George W.E. nicholsburg translation, called the Hermonia translation, or as Nicholsburg and James Vanderkam. They are both scholars of Enochian literature and the other translations, all based just on the. The Ethiopic copy that was found. Nicholsburg and Vanderkamp tried to collate that with some other translations that have been found in other languages, Syriac and Greek and so forth. So. All right, now that we've got all that out of the way. Chapter 43, verse 1. And I saw other lightnings and stars of heaven, and I saw that he called them by their names and they listened to him.

[B]

Oh, listen to that.

[A]

Yeah. So clearly he's referring to supernatural entities here.

[B]

Exactly. You don't just call out to, hey, Star, how you doing tonight?

[A]

Yeah, the fact that he's mentioning lightnings reminds me of Psalm 78. And let's see if I. Well, I'm not going to dig that up, but it's where Moses is retelling the plagues, recounting the plagues of Egypt. And he talks about how God destroyed the cattle of Egypt with hail and with thunderbolts. And the word in Hebrew translated thunderbolts is Reshef fem. Now, Reshef was the plague God of the Canaanites, known to the Greeks and Romans as Apollo. And then that line is followed by a company of destroying angels. So it's almost like the Reshyafim was a class of angel.

[B]

I agree with that. Yeah. And I think that we might have also had baradi.

[A]

Yeah. Angels that had that power to manipulate weather phenomena.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[A]

So interesting. Stars is an image that I think most people are familiar with. But the idea of lightnings being angelic beings.

[B]

Oh, I agree. I think that we also, in the book of Revelation, when John hears seven thunders.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Are those just sounds or are these entities speaking? Because he wants to write down what

[A]

was said he's told to seal it up. Right. Remember that you used the seven Thunders as a sort of plot device in the Church of the Seven Thunders.

[B]

Well, exactly. In fact, that story was originally called Skinwalkers, and it's changed the name to. Because I'm expanding it a little bit to Angel Falls. But that's one reason that, you know, John Thundercloud is named John Thundercloud because he writes all of these things down.

[A]

Yeah. Wonderful character that Sharon has developed for her novels. And of course, play on the words there. You know, the name of a town. Angel Falls. But also referring to an angel who falls.

[B]

Exactly. But I think getting back to the verse Stars of Heaven, and I think we talked about this previously on the Enoch study, that there were stars who. Angels. Stars who were being punished because they didn't come out in their corrections, their appointed times.

[A]

Right. Yeah. And they were like burning mountains in the netherworld. Yeah. And Mike Heiser pointed out that that was sort of a link, and again, in Jewish religious thought, to the stones of fire in Ezekiel 28, that the rebel from Eden was called out from the midst of the stones of fire.

[B]

Well, these angels actually listen to the Lord.

[A]

Exactly. And they listened to Him. Verse 2. I saw righteous balance, how they are weighed according to their light. Weighed according to their light and according to the breadth of their spaces and the day of their appearing. I saw how their revolution produces lightning. And their revolution is according to the number of the angels.

[B]

Now, in the Winter version, it says, and I saw how they weigh. They are weighed in a righteous balance according to their proportions of light, the width of their spaces and the day of their appearing, and how their revolution produces lightning, and their revolution according to the number of the angels. And they keep faith with each other. These are loyal angels and they do what the Lord has designed them to do.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Again, contrary to the other ones we saw earlier back in chapter 18, I think I'd have to go back and look somewhere around there. And I asked the angel who went with me and showed me what was hidden, what are these? And he said to me, the Lord of Spirits, That's God. The Lord of spirits has shown you a parable concerning them. These are the names of the holy ones who dwell on the Earth and believe in the name of the Lord of spirits forever and ever.

[B]

Now, I love this because. Dwell in the winter, it says. And he said to me, the Lord of spirits has shown the. Their parabolic meaning.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Not parable, but parabolic.

[A]

Yes. R.H. charles translated it. Their parabolic meaning, but then he adds in parentheses, literally, their parable.

[B]

Well, that could be parable. Parabolic implies a path.

[A]

Yeah, true.

[B]

These are the names of the holy who dwell on the earth and believe in the name of the Lord of Spirits forever and ever. They dwell on the earth. Does this mean that one day the loyal angels will dwell on the earth?

[A]

Interesting. Or do they already.

[B]

That's a good question. Because you and I, we believe that there is spiritual warfare going on all around us between the loyal angels and the rebels.

[A]

And there's that verse, and again, I don't have it at hand, but the verse that says that the. The angels of the little ones are before the face of God forever. So in other words, guardian angels.

[B]

It's in that section of the Scripture where it says, essentially, woe to you if you harm any of these little ones, because their angels are before, you know, the throne at all times, interceding for them. Yeah, I'm paraphrasing.

[A]

I'm trying to look it up now really quickly.

[B]

It may be where it says, woe to you, and better that a millstone be tied around your neck.

[A]

And of course, I. The way I typed it in, it's going to Revelation. And the angels before the throne. That's not what I wanted. Well, anyway.

[B]

But it implies guardian angels.

[A]

It does.

[B]

Or interceding angels, at the very least,

[A]

I will look that up and I will add that verse into the notes. So wherever you're listening to this, check the notes, because I want to connect that to this. Because, again, that's an important concept. The angels on the earth among us, we see in Hebrews. And I'll look this verse up as well. I believe it's Hebrews 2. Some have entertained angels unawares, meaning we may encounter angels on earth in our daily lives without recognizing them for what they are.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

They don't have wings. At least not that we perceive.

[B]

No, some do.

[A]

Some do. But the Malakim look just like men. The messenger angels.

[B]

Well, exactly. And it could be because that's how they always look. Or maybe it's because they're blending in.

[A]

Right. That's how they manifest to us because

[B]

we don't ordinarily see them.

[A]

Correct. Yeah. That is very interesting. Now, the James Charlesworth translation Renders verse four this way. And he said to me, the Lord of the Spirits has shown you the prototype of each one of them instead of the parable.

[B]

That's odd.

[A]

Yeah. Again, parabolic does imply movement, but he notes that the word in Greek or ethiopic means the significance or literally the parable or the similitude. And it's worth reminding you that chapter 36 through 71 is titled the Book of Parables, or similitudes.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

So the Lord of Spirits has shown you a parable concerning them. These are the names of the holy ones who dwell on the earth and believe in the name of the Lord of Spirits forever and ever. Now, chapter 44 in the RH Charles. It's only one verse. And another thing I saw regarding the lightning, how some stars arise and become lightning and they cannot depart from their form.

[B]

This says they cannot depart with their new form. Oh, they become lightnings and they cannot depart from. They cannot part with their new form.

[A]

I see. Charlesworth renders it, become lightning and cannot dwell with the rest.

[B]

Now, by the way, I have figured out where we are in the Jay winter, because as I scroll down, I discover chapter two of the Book of Parables.

[A]

Gotcha. Okay.

[B]

It begins by saying the second parable.

[A]

So now we move on to, in the RH Charles numbering system, chapter 45. And do you want to.

[B]

Does it say the second parable?

[A]

It does not. It says the lot of the apostates, the new heaven and the new earth,

[B]

Verse one. And this is the second parable.

[A]

Oh, yes, it does say that concerning

[B]

those who deny the name of the dwelling of the holy ones and the Lord of spirits. I'm going to read that again.

[A]

Deny the name.

[B]

Yes, deny the name of the dwelling of the holy ones and the Lord of spirits.

[A]

And again we should point out holy ones, translated from the Greek or the Ethiopic, has a different root word, a different base word. But in our study of the Book of Daniel, we found that holy ones and watchers, those phrases were used interchangeably, so that it's possible that the holy ones here, referring to the loyal watcher

[B]

class, angels, verse 2. And into the heaven they shall not ascend, and on the earth they shall not come. Such shall be the lot of the sinners who have denied the name of the Lord of Spirits, who are thus preserved for the day of suffering and tribulation.

[A]

That's. Hmm.

[B]

You want to read verse one and two of your.

[A]

Well, in the Hermonia translation, which again, is the more modern English. Here. This is the second parable concerning those who deny the name of the dwelling. Deny the name of the dwelling of the holy ones.

[B]

Yes. What it says here, too.

[A]

Okay. Yeah. For some reason that didn't register with me the first time. Was that there just five minutes ago?

[B]

Yeah, it was.

[A]

Deny the name of the dwelling of the holy ones and of the Lord of spirits to heaven they will not ascend, and on earth they will not come. Thus will be the lot of the sinners who have denied the name of the Lord of spirits, who will be kept thus. Who will be kept thus for the day of affliction and tribulation.

[B]

Yeah. It's very, very similar to what is in the Winter Version. And it seems to imply if you deny the name of the dwelling of the holy ones and the Lord of spirits, that you are in sort of a limbo state. You don't get to go to heaven, you don't get to be on the earth.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But you are reserved and preserved for the day of suffering and tribulation.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, verse three gets really interesting.

[B]

Oh, I know. On that day, mine elect one shall sit on the throne of glory, My chosen one. Same thing.

[A]

Yeah. On that day. A reference like in the Old Testament to the day of the Lord.

[B]

Exactly. This is different from coming Messiah, necessarily. Old Testament ideas. This is very unique. A king is coming. Yes. He's an anointed one, but he's coming to reign. On that day, mine elect one shall sit on the throne of glory and shall try their works. And their places of rest shall be innumerable. And their souls shall grow strong within them when they see mine elect ones. Plural.

[A]

So a difference between the chosen one and the chosen ones.

[B]

Yeah. Or the elect one and the elect.

[A]

And their souls will be.

[B]

Well, this is it. Let me read it again. On that day mine elect one shall sit on the throne of glory and shall try their works. He's going to judge them. And their places of rest shall be innumerable. And their souls shall grow strong within them when they see the minulect ones.

[A]

Okay. I was wondering about that, because Hermania translation says souls will be distressed.

[B]

See, that's entirely different from grow strong within them. That sounds positive.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Distressed? Not so much. These are the same individuals as are referred to in verse two. And when the Lord returns and reigns from. From Jerusalem, he will have the judgment seat of Christ. And they won't be happy.

[A]

No, they will not.

[B]

Verse 4 In the winter version. And those who have called upon my glorious name, then will I cease. Sorry, then. And those who have called upon my glorious name. Then will I cause mine elect one to dwell among them. And I will transform the heaven and make it an eternal blessing and light. And I will transform the earth and make it a blessing. And I will cause mine elect ones to dwell upon it. But the sinners and evildoers shall not set foot thereon.

[A]

Ah, okay.

[B]

For I have provided and satisfied with peace my righteous ones, and have caused them to dwell before me. But for the sinners, there is judgment impending with me, so that I shall destroy them from the face of the earth.

[A]

This is the break now to chapter 46 in the R.H. charles translation. That is interesting, though, because there we get this idea of a judgment and an eternal punishment for those who have.

[B]

Right. Of course, I'm continuing in the same chapter. I don't have to. I'm just saying in the winter, it just continues.

[A]

Yeah, chapter 46. And this. This gets really interesting here because we're seeing New Testament theology here, which is.

[B]

Well, in this next verse is very similar to one in the Old Testament. Yeah.

[A]

Then I there I saw one who had a head of days, and his head was like white wool.

[B]

The ancient of Days.

[A]

The ancient of days, Right. This clearly is a callback to daniel7, the term ancient of days being changed to head of days. But yeah, and this is amazing, what

[B]

you're about to read

[A]

again, a call back to Daniel 7. And with him was another whose face was like the appearance of a man. And his face was full of graciousness, like one of the holy angels. Like in Daniel 7, where he looks up and says he saw one. Like a Son of man.

[B]

Yes, exactly.

[A]

Meaning one who looked human. That's what that means in Daniel. But here we're getting to the first appearance of the title, the Son of Man. The Son of Man, yes. And I asked the angel of peace, who went with me and showed me all the hidden things about that Son of Man, who he was and whence he was, and why he went with the Head of Days. And he answered me and said to me, this is the Son of Man who has righteousness, and righteousness dwells with him. This is the first appearance of this as a title, the Son of Man. It's really important for us as Christians because this was probably written in the last 20 or 25 years before the birth of Jesus.

[B]

So disciples probably knew about this.

[A]

Oh, they clearly did, because they lived

[B]

up in that whole region.

[A]

They all came from the upper Galilee. And we see in Matthew 16, when he takes the disciples to Caesarea Philippi. And before he asks the question, who do you say I am? He asked the crowd, who. Who do people say the Son of Man is? And they were. Well, some say Jeremiah, some say Elijah,

[B]

but nobody said, what do you mean?

[A]

Yeah, so this is where this comes from. Now, there are those who say, oh, no, no, that comes from Daniel7 again, Daniel7. It's clearly clear that they're referring to Daniel7. But this is the first time that the Son of Man is applied as a title. In Daniel 7, you've got a guy up there next to the ancient of days, and he's given an everlasting kingdom, but he doesn't do anything. But here in first Enoch, we're going to see that he's got a role to play in the end times. And that's how Jesus used the term of Himself. Verse 3 Again. And he answered me and said to me, this is the Son of Man who is has righteousness, and righteousness dwells with him. And all the treasuries of what is hidden he will reveal. For the Lord of spirits has chosen him. And his lot has prevailed through truth in the presence of the Lord of Spirits forever.

[B]

Can you read the last part of that again? And His Lot.

[A]

And his lot has prevailed through truth in the presence of the Lord of Spirit.

[B]

Okay, pretty much the same here. And whose lot hath preeminence before the Lord of Spirits in uprightness forever.

[A]

Verse 4. And this Son of Man whom you have seen, he will raise the kings and the mighty men from their couches and the strong from their thrones. He will loosen the reins of the strong and he will crush the teeth of the sinners. He. He will overturn the kings from their thrones and their kingdoms because they do not exalt him or praise him or humbly acknowledge whence the kingdom was given to them.

[B]

Now, question for you. Do you think these are humans or is it possible they're humans?

[A]

And I think. I think these are humans.

[B]

Well, I'm looking forward to that day.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, this is. He's clearly going to fix what is broken in this world,

[B]

make Earth great again.

[A]

Yes, there we go. Verse 6. The face of the strong. He will turn aside and he will fill them with shame. Darkness will be their dwelling and worms will be their couch. In other words, they're dead. And they will have no hope to rise from their couches because they do not exalt the name of the Lord of Spirits. Again, this is not his reputation. The name concept in Jewish theology, Old Testament theology, was Another manifestation of God himself, The name. These are they who judge the stars of heaven and raise their hands against the Most High and tread upon the earth and dwell on it.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

They judge the stars of heaven, huh?

[B]

Raise their hands against the Most High. That's not in this.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

It just says, these are they who judge the stars of heaven, tread upon the earth and dwell upon it.

[A]

Looking at the Charles translation, Charles has that, but it's in brackets.

[B]

Well, the question is, these are not good guys. The they is referring back to these kings, et cetera, that are in their wormy beds.

[A]

Yes, exactly. They presume to judge the stars of heaven. It's almost like in the references in Jude and Second Peter to those who blaspheme the glorious ones.

[B]

Yes, yes.

[A]

Yeah. These are they who judge the stars of heaven and raise their hands against the Most High and tread upon the earth and dwell on it. All their deeds manifest unrighteousness. And their power rests upon their wealth. Their faith is in the gods they have made with their hands. And they deny the name of the Lord of spirits.

[B]

Well, you know this. If you just took that verse, which in the winter is verse 14. They. Their faith is in the gods which they have made with their hands. You might think, okay, well, they're just believing in these bits of stone or wood or whatever. The fact is that those were created to give locality to fallen entities. That's where the. The belief is. Foolishly these humans were convinced to build these little radios to the fallen.

[A]

Exactly. Yeah.

[B]

Tuning them in with their rituals and

[A]

feeding them with sacrifices, which often were blood and.

[B]

Yes, exactly.

[A]

Verse 8 now. And they persecute the houses of his congregation and the faithful who depend on the name of the Lord of spirits. Gonna get a little further this week than I thought. Do the next chapter. We might actually get a couple more chapters in this. Next in the RH. Shar. Else is chapter 47.

[B]

Okay, well, I'm on verse 16.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And in those days shall have ascended the prayer of the righteous and the blood of the righteous from the earth before the Lord of spirits.

[A]

Ho, ho, ho. The blood of the righteous one.

[B]

This just says righteous. The prayer of the righteous and the blood of the righteous from the earth before the Lord of spirits.

[A]

Yeah. The Hermenea translation says the blood of the righteous one.

[B]

That's entirely different.

[A]

That is entirely different.

[B]

Let me keep reading just to see if it gives us any clue.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

In those days, the holy ones who dwell above in the heavens shall unite with one voice and supplicate and Pray and praise, give thanks and bless the name of the Lord of Spirits on behalf of. Of the blood of the righteous which has been shed. Now, maybe still righteous one, but it could go either way.

[A]

It could go either way.

[B]

Keep reading. And that the prayer of the righteous may not be in vain before the Lord of Spirits, that judgment may be done unto them and that they may not have to suffer forever. This sounds like the righteous, not the righteous one. There's no chance of Jesus suffering forever.

[A]

That's true. Yeah.

[B]

I would say at the very least, this may refer to those people who have been under the. The lash of these kings. Yeah, the righteous ones. And in those days, I saw the head of days when he seated himself. When he seated himself upon the throne of his glory. And the books of the living were opened before him. And all his host, which is in heaven above, and his counselors stood before him. We're there. We're in that council.

[A]

The divine council being. Yeah. Restored to our place in the divine council.

[B]

Absolutely. Now, in the English, it says counselors as in someone who counsels you, not Cil, as in someone on a council. But I'm thinking it's still the divine council.

[A]

Yeah. Here it says all his host, which would indicate army. Army. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And Charles also has that all his host.

[B]

And this kind of sounds like the Great White Throne judgment, because we've got bad guys.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So let's see where we go from here. And the hearts of the holy were filled with joy because the number of the righteous had been offered and the prayer of the righteous had been heard. And the blood of the righteous had been required before the Lord of Spirits.

[A]

Again, this is in the Hermonia translation. And a reckoning of the blood of the righteous one had been required in the presence of the Lord of spirits.

[B]

And in that place I saw the fountain of righteousness.

[A]

Okay, this jumps into. This is chapter 48, if you can continue going.

[B]

And in that place I saw the fountain of righteousness, which was inexhaustible. And around it were many fountains of wisdom. All the thirsty drank of them and were filled with wisdom.

[A]

Living water.

[B]

And their dwellings were with the righteous and holy and elect dwelling places.

[A]

Jesus has gone on before us to prepare homes for us. In his Father's house there are many mansions. Yeah.

[B]

And at that hour, the Son of Man was named in the presence of the Lord of spirits. And his name before the Head of days.

[A]

Oh, yeah, here we go.

[B]

Yea, before the sun and the signs were created, before the stars of heaven were made, His Name was named before the Lord of Spirits.

[A]

He was created from. From the beginning.

[B]

Alpha and the Omega.

[A]

Alpha and the Omega. Yeah.

[B]

He shall be a staff of the righteous whereon to stay themselves and not fall. Now look, honey, you use a cane to walk around. You got a staff.

[A]

Yes, I do.

[B]

You know what it's like to really depend upon that?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, you cannot walk without that.

[A]

I can walk. I can't stand still without it, though.

[B]

Well, but you have a difficult, difficult time walking.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

You couldn't go more than a few steps.

[A]

Yeah, It's a balance issue. Not a. Not a weakness in my life.

[B]

Well, that. You can't feel your feet.

[A]

Yeah, my feet are paralyzed. Which does. Which is kind of important.

[B]

Yes, pretty important. He, Jesus, the name. He shall be a staff to the righteous whereon to stay themselves and not fall. And he shall be the light of the Gentiles, light of the nations.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yep. And the hope of those who are troubled of heart. All who dwell on earth shall fall down and worship before him.

[A]

And this is the thing, because this confirms that this Son of Man is God himself.

[B]

Exactly. And all who dwell on earth shall fall down and worship before him and will praise and bless and celebrate with song the Lord of Spirits. Now I just want to veer just to the left a bit. When this beast, the son of unrighteousness, the Antichrist, the Son of perdition, whatever you want to call him, when the coming world leader stands, steps onto the scene, he's not going to be obviously an anti Christ figure. No, he is going to be there claiming to be Christ, claiming to be the name that is above all names. And when you see. And all who dwell on the earth shall fall down and worship before him. That's going to happen.

[A]

Yeah, because he'll be plausible. It will be plausible enough. Oh, he's so nice. He's so good. He's so tolerant. He's so inclusive.

[B]

But if you don't fall down and worship him.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, you will be hunted.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You won't get to buy or sell.

[A]

Right.

[B]

There are going to be a lot of things that will fool people with the carrot to come in and then comes the stick. But this is the real deal here.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And all who dwell on the earth shall fall down and worship before him and will praise and bless and celebrate with song the Lord of spirits. And for this reason.

[A]

Sorry, here we go.

[B]

And for this reason hath he been chosen and hidden before him before the creation of the world and forevermore the Alpha and Omega. Yes.

[A]

There it is right there.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

If you're looking at the Rh, Charles, mark that verse. Chapter 48, verse 6.

[B]

I would. I would say that the Ouroboros is a pale imitation of what the Lord truly is. He is the beginning and the ending. He is eternal. He is. He never stops.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He has always been and he will always be. The fallen realm have a creation date, and they have a Best Buy date. They just don't realize it. But that dates coming up.

[A]

Yeah, that, that, that verse. For this reason he was chosen and hidden in his presence before the world was created and forever.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The Alpha and the Omega and the end.

[B]

Hallelujah.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And the wisdom of the Lord of spirits hath revealed him to the holy and to the righteous. For he hath preserved the lot of the righteous. Because they have hated and despised this world of unrighteousness and have hated all its works and ways. In the name of the Lord of spirits, for in his name they have saved, and according to his good pleasure hath it been. Yes. What says, for in his name they have saved, and according to his good pleasure hath it been. In regard to their life.

[A]

The Hermenea translation, I think, cleans that up a little bit. Good indeed. All its deeds and its ways they have hated. In the name of the Lord of spirits. The age of unrighteousness, that's us. For in his name they are saved. And he is the vindicator of their lives.

[B]

Hallelujah. That makes that so much easier. Jay Winter, what were you thinking?

[A]

In other manuscripts. And this is the note attached by Nicholsburg and Vanderkam. In other manuscripts, this is an abstract noun denoting God's good pleasure for their lives.

[B]

The next verse, which is 28 in

[A]

winter, verse 8 in chapter 48 in the Charles.

[B]

In these days, downcast in countenance, shall the kings of the earth have become. We feel so sad now. And the strong who possess the land because of the works of their hands. For on the day of their anguish and affliction, they shall not save themselves. And I will give them over into the hands of. Of mine elect capital, my capital M, capital E. That's Jesus.

[A]

Well, here it says my chosen ones.

[B]

Well, do we get to. You know, maybe that's because we're part of the council. So what do you guys think?

[A]

Well, he was pretty bad.

[B]

We don't like them very much. Yeah, we've hated them.

[A]

Well. Oh, okay then. Off you go.

[B]

As straw in the fire, so shall they burn before the face of the holy.

[A]

Oh. As straw in the fire. And as lead in the water.

[B]

Well, that's coming.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, okay.

[B]

Next part. As lead in the water shall they sink before the face of the righteous. And no trace of them shall shall any more be found. And on the day of their affliction, there shall be rest on the earth. And before them they shall fall and not rise again. They, I assume, being the unrighteous, which is sort of hilarious. And not rise again. Rise has so many connotations to it. Rise as in rise up. You know, insurrection. But also rise as in rise back to life.

[A]

Yeah,

[B]

and there's a promise that they shall not rise in the Old Testament.

[A]

Yes. Oh, gosh. Was that Ezekiel 39, 11?

[B]

Possibly the that, but I think it's in the Septuagint version of it.

[A]

Oh, no, no, no. It's Isaiah 26.

[B]

Oh, yes, you're right.

[A]

Yeah. It's Isaiah 26. They are dead, they shall not live. They are Rephaim, they shall not rise. Yeah,

[B]

I'll read that verse again. And on the day of their affliction, there shall be rest on the earth. And before them they shall fall and not rise again. There shall be no one to take them with his hands and raise them. For they have denied the Lord of Spirits and his Anointed One. The name of the Lord of Spirits be blessed.

[A]

You may want to mute the TV there. Oh, we had the fireplace on the tv, and it's getting ready to flip over to.

[B]

No, not that.

[A]

Previews of coming attractions or something. Well, we'll stop there with chapter 48.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Well, actually, there's. There's one more verse here, and then we go into another. Chapter 50 begins a new section.

[B]

Well, I'll read the last verse. For wisdom is poured out like water, and glory faileth not before him forevermore.

[A]

For he is mighty in all the secrets of righteousness.

[B]

Well, that's the verse that follows this.

[A]

Yeah, I know.

[B]

There was just one more verse.

[A]

One more chapter. Sorry.

[B]

Oh, okay. I'll go back to verse 31 in the J. Winter. For wisdom is poured out like water, and glory fails not before him forever. For he is mighty in all the secrets of righteousness. And unrighteousness shall disappear as a shadow and have no continuance.

[A]

The shadow.

[B]

Because the elect one standeth before the Lord of spirits, and his glory is forever and ever.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And his might into all generations. Keep going.

[A]

Two more verses.

[B]

And in him dwells the Spirit of wisdom and the Spirit which gives insight. And the Spirit of understanding and of might, and the Spirit of those who have fallen asleep in righteousness. And he shall judge the secret things. And none shall be able to utter a lying word before him. For he is the elect one before the Lord of spirits. Spirits according to his good pleasure. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. That concludes chapter 49.

[B]

Okay, now we'll do my translation highlighting of the next thing highlight.

[A]

And next month, on the final Monday of the month, we will pick up first the book of First Enoch, Chapter 50, which lays out a scenario for the end times.

[B]

Well, we'll continue in the J. Winter, Chapter 2, the Book of Parables,

[A]

the Elect One in Jay Winter, the Chosen One in RH Charles, Charles Worth and the Hermenea translations. We have to stress again that this is a radical departure from Old Testament theology, the idea of a coming Messiah. And we can see it, you know, with New Testament theology, looking back at the one like a son of man in Daniel 7, the coming of Messiah in, say, Zechariah 14, where he lands on the Mount of Olives and splits it in two. But Jewish thought to this point, and we're talking this part of one Enoch written just before the birth of Jesus. So toward the end of the first century B.C. until that point, and what was still being taught in the temple was that we just need to keep doing the feast, we need to keep offering the sacrifices. And then when we have successfully purified the world enough through our repetition of the ritual, then Messiah will come and judge the nations and everything will be fine. First Enoch and the Essenes, who were living away from Jerusalem, although there was an Essene quarter in Jerusalem, but this group here around the Sea of Galilee, somebody or somebodies, multiple persons perhaps had this revealed to them that there was a coming Savior called the Anointed One or the Chosen One, or as we saw here for the first time in chapter 48, the son of man, he will come. He was created before the world. He is forever. He will be worshipped when he returns. This was all brand new in Jewish theology in the first century BC and the early first century ad.

[B]

I absolutely agree with you, and I hope that all of our listeners are aware of this. If you have the mindset that we as human beings have to prepare the earth, we have to make it good enough to receive Messiah, then that is Jesus plus, that's Messiah plus, right? That's Anointed One plus it starts with us and he just doesn't have the power to come back, or he doesn't care to come back. Either way, it's wrong.

[A]

And we've heard Christians recently, I mean, within the last 10 years preaching the same thing based on a MisApplication of Psalm 110, verse 1. The Lord said to my Lord, remain at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool beneath your feet. Well, we have to make them the enemies of God. A footstool. It's like. No, no, no, no, no.

[B]

That's not what it said.

[A]

That's not how it works. Jesus didn't say that. We're to preach. We're to go to proclaim the gospel to all nations. If they won't receive it, shake the dust of that town from your sandals as a reproach and move on.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

We are not to take control of the world through political means. Through taking over the economy, education, family, government, military, whatever.

[B]

No, by doing that, you're playing into the hands of the Antichrist.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. But clearly there were those who had the same idea back in the first century, and they expected a Messiah who was going to come and first of all, kick the Romans out of Judea and then set up a kingdom in which the Jews would be the preeminent people.

[B]

Well, Simon Zelotes was one example of that. He was part of a sect that believed that it was going to be a military operation. When the Son of Man arrived, he was looking for Jesus.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He just didn't quite understand what Jesus was going to do. They all thought he was going to march into Jerusalem, take over.

[A]

Yeah. As did. You know a lot. Well, yeah. And that's why Jesus was rejected altogether. They didn't. Jews generally, then the rabbis would not accept a suffering servant. But some of them just didn't want to lose their jobs. If Messiah is actually here, I mean, he's healing people, raising people from the dead. Oh, man, we're gonna have to give up our nice cars and our mansions.

[B]

The equivalent thereof. It was a pretty good deal to be a high priest. Well, or even to be the father in law of a high priest.

[A]

Fascinating stuff. And again, this idea, we read it in the New Testament and we just assume, oh, okay. We just, you know. Well, where did that come from? It never occurred to me to ask. When Jesus asked the people at Caesarea Philippi, who do people say the Son of Man is? Instead of saying, wait a minute, what do you mean by the Son of Man? The first time it appears is in this text that we just read today that was distributed, began to be distributed in the upper Galilee, around the Sea of Galilee, and further north, 30 years before Jesus began his ministry.

[B]

It's so Important. And this is why we love stuff. Studying this is why Mike Heiser loved studying this.

[A]

And that's why Mike wrote the Companions to the Book of Enoch, which, again, if you check our notes, we've got a link to a special offer still available at the Skywatch TV store, where you can get the RH Charles translation of First Enoch from the Skywatch TV store published by Defender Publishing. And then also get Mike's two volume set, A Companion to the Book of Enoch. And you also get a DVD with Mike talking with Stephen Bankhars about Enoch and various other things and why it's relevant to us as Christians today. So I'm glad they've kept that in the store and hopefully you're taking advantage of it because it's like a donation of $35 to Skywatch TV plus shipping and handling.

[B]

Yes. Seriously, that is a really good deal.

[A]

Yeah. And good for. Good for your study. Good for your reference library. Okay, well, we got a question.

[B]

We do.

[A]

Yeah. We went through a lot of questions last week. If you want to ask a question of Sharon and or me, you can address those to us through the Gilbert House app. There are sections there in the community, sections for questions for Sharon, questions for Derek. Or you can send us a note at infoilberthouse.org, infoilberthouse.org this one is addressed to you and it says. Hi, Sharon. Ron Wyatt. What about his discoveries? Fact or fiction? I was given a DVD about them. Mount Sinai, Red Sea Crossing, Noah's Ark, Ark of the Covenant. Would love to hear about any research you and Derek might have discussed or found regarding his work. I've only been listening to you for a bit over a year. Found you in a rabbit trail. Now you're like some of my closest friends. Thank you, Cynthia.

[B]

Oh, Cynthia.

[A]

Yeah, thank you.

[B]

Yes, thank you very much for the question. Good question. Actually, in the past three decades or so, I've read reports of some of the things that the late Ron Wyatt, you know, wrote about.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I believe that he found something. Did he find what the reports say? I don't know. I'll be honest, I don't know. Yeah, I think if he had that, others would have verified that because that's the, the nature of science.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You make a discovery and then others come in and try to replicate it. So you say, I found it here. Here are the coordinates. Here's the location, and someone else should be able to find it.

[A]

Yeah,

[B]

I. I don't think he was misrepresenting things. I think this is what he believed.

[A]

Right. Yeah. There are those who say that or who think that they've not been corroborated because of jealousy amongst archaeologists. But I would suggest based on the archaeologists that we've come to know who are working in Israel, the biblical archaeologists, when things like this are found, they want to trumpet it to the world because they want to show these discoveries that validate this story in the Bible. Now, his discovery. His discovery. Mount Sinai, Jabal laws, there are in Saudi Arabia. We personally disagree with that finding, but there are friends of ours who think that it is Joel Richardson, for one.

[B]

Yep. And we are. Look, if it turn out, it turns out that Joel is correct, hey, great.

[A]

Yeah. But, you know, but you know, until then, we're happy to explain to him why he's right. We joke with Joel. We love Joel and he's actually got a book about that and he leads tours to Jebela and we've talked to

[B]

him about the possibility of going over there. It's a little tougher for us these days, but, you know. Yeah, you might want to consider going with him.

[A]

Noah's Arp. He was also a one who was early in identifying the Durupinar site in Turkey. Southeastern Turkey. And we recently had Rick Renner on the Bible's greatest, greatest mysteries. And Rick has been to that site and has found more information that seems to corroborate that site.

[B]

So also, just recently there was a report in the news. I think it was ground penetrating radar, but something was used like that, or it was the laser thing and it showed an imprint at the Darupinar site that corresponds. So there's corroboration in mainstream media, let's put it that way.

[A]

Yeah. So at least two of his findings appear to be correct. Ark of the Covenant. I believe the Bible when it says it'll never be seen or thought of anymore.

[B]

Yeah, me too.

[A]

It'll be seen the next time when it is revealed in the book of Revelation. When it is seen in the throne room of God. The Red Sea crossing. Don't know. There are others who think that that place that he found, which is. Oh, and I forget the name of it. There are others who agree with him. That one I honestly don't know.

[B]

I will say this about Ron Wyatt. God bless him for getting out there and looking. You're not going to find anything if you don't look.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

The late Adam Sertal discovered a lot of things because. And this was when he was an atheist.

[A]

Yeah, because he looked and he became a believer because he found Things that were where the Bible said they were supposed to be.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And found the altar of Joshua. And again, there were a lot of skeptics who said, no, no, that can't be. It is. Okay, well, it's dated to the right time period. It's. But it's on the wrong side of the mountain. Okay, maybe you. Your presumption, your assumption about which side of the mountain the ark is supposed to be, the altar is supposed to be on is incorrect. By the same token, our friend Dr. Scott Stripling, who found the lead curse tablet.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

There's a story that was just out this week that not only did they find strange through. Oh, gosh, some really high tech means, the writing on the inside of that lead curse tablet, because it was so brittle they couldn't unfold it without destroying it. There's writing on the outside. Oh, visible to the eye. And so there's a paper forthcoming about the writing on the outside of the lead curse tablet found at Joshua's altar.

[B]

The. The idea of lead curse tablets that was very prominent in the ancient world. In the ancient world, exactly. They would take lead, which was relatively soft, and a stylus, and they would write what to the God that they wanted to curse so and so. And it might be just on one side or both sides. And then they would offer it in a temple.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. And this one mentions the name of Yahweh, which is why they're has been such pushback, because people don't want to admit that the name Yahweh was being used or that the Hebrews even had a script in the. I think this is dated to the 14th century BC. Oh, they did, they did. Actually, Dr. Doug Petrovich makes the case that it goes back to the 19th century BC in Egypt. In fact, he even identifies the sons of Joseph.

[B]

But the Lord himself, Yahweh, tells Joshua, you do this blessings, you do this other stuff cursings.

[A]

And so then you find this little curse tablet there. Curse you are by the God Yahweh. And then Scott also has found the location of the tabernacle at Shiloh, which

[B]

I think is a really important thing that doesn't get mentioned nearly enough. Because if Israel wanted to start sacrifices again, they could just do it over there.

[A]

They could. Yeah. Don't have to do it at.

[B]

No.

[A]

On the Temple Mount. Although I know that there is a movement. But. Yeah. And again, because Scott found that curse tablet and has now found the. There are people saying, oh, that's impossible. How could this one guy find all of These important things because he looked exactly.

[B]

By the way, Derek and I got to see the heifers, the red heifers, last year when we were in Israel. And we're going to go again this year. We would love for you to join us. I know Derek walks with us with a cane, with a staff. He is mostly paralyzed in his feet, but he hasn't changed much since we went last year. The only change in our household is that we did re home Our two dogs.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because they were just we, we doctor so much anymore. We're gone a lot.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And the girls also were getting underneath Derek's feet. Sometimes they would run outside and if I was already in bed, Derek had to be the one to take care of whatever issue was out there, be it a, I don't know, raccoon or poor a possum or many, many voles at various times.

[A]

Yeah. Sharon, can you come out here playing with something again and it's not one of her toys.

[B]

Yeah. Because I told Derek he wasn't allowed to go out there and take care of it. So if I was already in bed, he had to come and get me, otherwise I was going to be upset. But anyway, we were home. Them wonderful family that live in a barrier island off the coast of Florida. And those girls are so happy.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. And they've got younger people around.

[B]

They've got three college age, college age kids that are home most of the time. And these girls, two daughters and a son. These three wonderful young people. They take the girls for walks. They take them to the ocean. They, the girls get to. They got a huge yard that's fully fenced.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Lots of zoomies. We've had reports of many a zoomie

[A]

and that is a good sign because dogs typically do that when they are happy. And it's a way for them to burn off excess energy but also kind of reset their mood. And you know, Glory was definitely one who did zoomies crazy occasionally, but Grace is a little older, a little more mature, but that's really the main thing as far as I'm concerned. Maybe it's because I don't worry as much about my balances as I should, but the fact that they are getting the quality of life that they deserve, which we were no longer physically able to give them.

[B]

Exactly. Yeah. It did worry me because there was the one time that I heard you fall and you'd been bringing the dogs

[A]

in and yeah, dogs were very upset. They were very concerned.

[B]

They really were. Yeah. So anyway, they're delighted. They get to Play with Hazel Puddle Duck. And they actually do actually play with her. They consider her a part of the family and also the cat.

[A]

Yes. So that again, lots of stimulation, lots of activity, and again, more energetic human companions. And, and that is a true blessing to us.

[B]

And they're missing snow, but they have lots of sand and ocean.

[A]

And I can tell you this, knowing where they are, we'll be watching the hurricane forecast a lot more closely.

[B]

We will be.

[A]

But anyway, the Israel tour set for October 11th through 23rd of 2026. And I know that there are concerns going on right now with the situation in Iran. A number of European airlines, European United Airlines here in the US have suspended flights to Tel Aviv for the time being. El Al still flying. But you know, we went last October and there were similar concerns and it was a smaller group than we've had previously because of that. But that means we've got a more intimate group and we all got to be on the same bus at each stop instead of previous tours. We'd have to, you know, some of the sites would have to go in shifts. Bus one goes here, Bus two goes there, Bus three goes there. And then we rotate and then we all get back together for dinner. It's still a wonderful experience, but if we're all on the same bus, it really helps. So consider that this year we'll also have the optional three day extension to Jordan.

[B]

Yes, finally we get to go back to Jordan. Well, one example of the. Each bus forming its own family, so to speak, which is great. The first year that you and I went with Mike Heiser and. And his wonderful wife, Drina. Erica Kirk. Yeah, she was not Erica Kirk at the time. She was on Mike's bus because she'd been following his ministry.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And so she, I think her mom went too.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

But they, those two were on Mike's bus. So we saw them a few times and we didn't really get to bond with them because they were on a different bus and we ate in different shifts in the dining room and all this kind of stuff. But when we went to Mike's memorial, we saw them there. Yeah, I regret it. I thought, I wish I got to know you guys better. Because by then Erica, of course, had married Charlie.

[A]

And interestingly, Erica and Charlie went back to Israel and had Lipkin Tours arrange their visits. And they got to meet Aaron and ETI Lipkin met with the curse and

[B]

Aaron planted a tree in Charlie's arm.

[A]

That's right, he did. So there is a memorial to Charlie growing now in the land of Israel.

[B]

And I want to see that. I hope Aaron can take us there.

[A]

Yeah, that would be wonderful. Yeah, I know that. Well, I don't want to rabbit trail, but.

[B]

Yeah. But we do a whole lot of wonderful things, including we go to Bridges for Peace, which is a great organization that stands literally as a bridge between Christianity and Jewish citizens. And they take food and backpacks for kids, you know, Bibles in whatever language they need them in, and just get. Sometimes they're the only people, the representatives of Bridges or Peace are the only people that an older Holocaust survivor sees.

[A]

And then you've got the new arrivals in Israel, people who just made aliyah, who don't yet have a support network

[B]

in the land, don't have a job, don't have a place to live. Sometimes they will provide the first few months rent and furnish it for them. These are through donations. So Bridges for Peace is a great organization, wonderful ministry.

[A]

Yeah. And if you go through the. Let's see on our, our app, we've got. Yeah. The Gilberts in Israel. There are little video updates. And I did one from Bridges for Peace showing the group packing and then praying over one of the pallets for food that we. We packed while we were there.

[B]

They pray over every pallet that goes out.

[A]

And we will be doing that again in October. A couple of conferences this year, still early days, so we don't have details on other speakers yet, but the Go There for conference in July, July 24th and 25th, in suburban Dayton. That's Dr. Mike Spalding's conference. He's got a new book out that's gonna stir some.

[B]

It already has.

[A]

Stir the Pot.

[B]

Yes. It's gone out. Nothing. It has.

[A]

Posting a picture of me holding his book stirred up several c. Posted a picture.

[B]

It stirred up.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So everybody loves Kenny.

[A]

I know. Well, I will be speaking on the subject of Mike's book because I'm working on. Well, that's essentially the same ground I'm covering with my book, War of the watchers. But that's July 24th and 25th, just outside Dayton, Ohio, Brookville. It's a wonderful church, the Harvest Revival Center. Wonderful facility. Pretty easy to get to. Dayton's got an international airport, so because you got Wright Patterson real close there. You see, year before last, when we went there, they had the annual air show at the airport just as we were getting. Oh, that was so much fun to fly out. So we got to see a recreation of the attack on Pearl harbor from. From the. The airport.

[B]

We had the. Where we the gate where we were a perfect place to sit and watch it.

[A]

It was amazing. Pyrotechnics and everything. Oh, here come the Japanese. Oh, look at the explosions.

[B]

And I know you leveled.

[A]

Oh, I do. World War II aircraft. That is a. Yeah. It's found some great YouTube channels. Well, old People Report and the remnant Rising Conference, August 7th through 9th. That's in Springfield, Ohio. That will be here. The Watchmen and great facility there as well. The Oasis Hotel and Convention Center.

[B]

It's only an hour away for us, so we don't have to get on a plane. We can drive there. We can take, you know, we don't have to. It's just so much easier.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it's a great place. The Oasis Hotel. It's a great place.

[A]

So consider that as well joining us here in our backyard because I'm sure you'll see others from Skywatch TV there as well. Just as last year we had Joe Artist, Horn, Donna Howell and then Mondo de la Vega.

[B]

We need to get him back because he is incredible, by the way, in Ohio. I mean, the.

[A]

Go there for conference.

[B]

Yeah, go there for. Thank you. There's so many conference names. I probably, if I do speak, I probably will continue. The Kronos Tale, which is about an AI that becomes sentient, takes over.

[A]

Yeah. That was the first chapter in our book, the Gates of Hell.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Was the fictional scenario. And then Sharon will continue that.

[B]

So I will.

[A]

Yeah. We've got information on these. You can find them in the calendar section of the Gilbert House app or at our website, Gilberthouse.org under upcoming events.

[B]

So old people report. I'll go first. Since I'm older, I. Today is one of those days where I kind of got up pretty early. Pretty early.

[A]

Crazy early.

[B]

Yeah. Midnight. For whatever reason, I just sometimes can't sleep past that. But I am having a goopy eye day. So I haven't been able to do any writing, even though I've been up for many, many, many hours. And that's why I've been sitting here reading, blinking a lot, because my eyes are just super goopy. And yes, I put drops in them. I take cyclosporine drops. I also take doxycycline orally. And these are things that are supposed to help with the dry eye symptoms. And I suppose maybe that would be worse than they are if I didn't get it. I do think that most days it's pretty good. But a day like today, maybe because I got up so early, but even minute I got up there was just super goopy. So I'm a super goopy girl today. But, you know, the Lord is good, so I trust in him. I'll get the book done. And. And you may have heard me say yesterday that Jeffrey Martis, who's our cover artist, cannot finish the covers if he doesn't know the word, the page count. So I can't give him that until the manuscript is finished. And I know the page count after it's been laid out. So once I can give that to him, he's taking some time off for his health and relaxation. And probably, I'm saying May or June before book nine will be finished. But I'm trying to do some other books at the same time. So once I get that one done very quickly thereafter, there should be other books in the Laodicea Chronicles and in the. A new series and in the John Thundercloud. Yeah. Book one of that.

[A]

So, so wonderful. This past week, I. What do we do? This past week we went to. Oh, I. Yeah. Eye appointment to follow up on the new prescription. That's correcting the double vision issues. Still occurs occasionally, but now it's maybe once a week, which is better because

[B]

it was occurring pretty much every day.

[A]

Yeah. Just before we went to Israel, it was just about every day. So it does appear to be a muscular issue rather than a neurological issue, which is a good thing.

[B]

You don't know that it's not neurological. It could be your muscle control has degraded because of neurological issues.

[A]

Well, that's possible. Yeah. Because as far as the neurological issues go, you say there hasn't been much change in my neurological condition. My hands are getting weaker and my fingers don't go where they. Where I want them to. It is this condition that I've got, which is diagnosed as cidp, which is a. An acronym for a long series of

[B]

chronic inflammatory demyelinating polyneuropathy.

[A]

Yeah, I've got that down there. I can see. Basically it means my immune system is attacking the nerves in my extremities, my. My feet, my hands. It often affects other parts of the body. Thankfully, I have not experienced those. Like trouble swallowing.

[B]

I know, brain fog. That's a big one.

[A]

Yeah. It has affect my voices. I'm sure you've noticed. I've got, you know, always got, you know, stuff on my vocal cords now these days. And the other issue I've been dealing with, the finger issue, really came on. I noticed I was starting to get some tingling and numbness in my fingertips last summer.

[B]

And if you watch 5 and 10 you may have noticed that Derek has gloves on his hands.

[A]

Yeah, compression gloves. These are copper infused nylon and I don't know if that's what's helping or just the compression or maybe it's just that they keep my hands warmer.

[B]

They seem to help when my hands get cold.

[A]

I can't really, especially my right hand, can't bend my fingers.

[B]

Cut the fingers out of some gloves,

[A]

that might work too. But yeah, it was last October when we were in Israel that things just sort of really accelerated as far as the issues with fine motor control. So we'll see. I'm also noticing some tremors lately, but that may be due to the new inhaler that I've been prescribed.

[B]

Possibly. Yeah.

[A]

I've been dealing with not seeing COPD as well. A mild case of copd, so chronic asthma.

[B]

And plus you get that hemidiaphragm that just is stuck.

[A]

Yeah. So when I'm inhaling it's like, you know, 60 or 70% of normal. The, the, the, the. Oh gosh, now I'm forgetting the pulmonology. The pulmonary function test showed that I've got normal lung volume, which I thought was weird.

[B]

Well, you may have been trying really hard to get as much in and as much out.

[A]

Well, yeah, and that's what they tell you to do during the test.

[B]

They should have had you breathe normally.

[A]

Well, they do and they just said, you know, they do keep breathing out as long as you can. And so basically you're breathing out until you're just squeaking.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But the gas exchange.

[A]

The gas exchange. Hello. Dark eyed Junco just flew up against the.

[B]

Well, hi. We're out of siege out here.

[A]

The gas exchange is basically the exchange of oxygen. Carbon dioxide is not as efficient as it should be, so that makes it difficult. I mean, muscle wise, I've been working my legs, I'm doing longer stretches on the bike than I was before we went to Israel.

[B]

You do push ups and.

[A]

Yeah, so as far as upper body strength, I'm probably stronger than I've ever been, but.

[B]

Yeah, you've got some pretty nice muscles.

[A]

I've got biceps for the first time ever. And that's in large part the protocol that my primary care physician put me on, which includes testosterone because it helps to regrow the myelin sheath around nerves.

[B]

Yeah, but you're doing the exercise as well.

[A]

Yeah, but the, I think what he did early on, starting last spring on this protocol has kind of slowed the progression of the nerve issues.

[B]

I think so. But may I also say the Lord.

[A]

Well, yes.

[B]

Has slowed it. The Lord has been holding you in his hand this entire time?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

You know, just because we have problems, we have, you know, things that hit us that we don't like very much doesn't mean we're not in the Lord's hand. Sometimes the Lord is trying to get our attention because he wants us to change direction.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But sometimes it's to show the fallen realm. Do you see how much they continue to trust? I've said it in the red wing saga over and over, trust is a powerful weapon. If you trust in the Lord, it is like coals of fire on the heads of those who didn't.

[A]

Yeah. It's like the Book of Job. Not that I'm comparing myself to Job, because what he went through was clearly, you know, way beyond anything.

[B]

Yeah. I. I just seen you not go sit out on a, you know, dung heap. Yeah. And scrape your.

[A]

No, we're not going to do that. But, yeah, trusting in the Lord and, you know, I talk about my dad from time to time. He went through a lot of stuff toward the end, and he never complained.

[B]

And here's the thing. Many of you out there listening, you're going through it, too.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You're going through things that are just as hard and maybe much worse.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Maybe someone you love is going through it. Maybe you're the caregiver for someone you love. And maybe there are days where you just think, I'm just so tired. But you're still in the Lord's hands.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Trust in him. It doesn't mean the day is going to be easy. It means that you are going to. You're going to see it differently. And that's so much, much of it. But, you know, if you've got loved ones or a friend or you are going through this, we so encourage you to go on the app. There's a wonderful conversation area on there with a prayer request module. Just put in your prayer requests, your praise reports, get to know one another. If you're listening to this on YouTube, go in the comments section.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And just say, you know, I. I live in the. You don't have to say exactly where you live. Just say, maybe I live in the Midwest and I just am having a hard time because of this, this, and this. You may find that there are other people that say, me too, or, let's pray about this together.

[A]

Yeah, we got some wonderful, wonderful things in the prayer request section.

[B]

I know we do.

[A]

In fact, some other. Some folks just offering advice and guidance for people in need of help. Here's a wonderful suggestion here. Here's how you keep your pipes from freezing in the wintertime.

[B]

You know, that's important. Those are important things. I, I saw a video on how to heat your home using just the ceramic insert to your slow cooker, which is a big, big old slow ceramic thing for those of you who have ones that you can lift it out. And I think they're almost all like that now. And you turn it upside down on two. I think they're number 10 cans. They're really big cans. So that it will just sit there and then you put two multi wick candles underneath of it. The candles will heat the ceramic and it will radiate out.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

It will keep a small room relatively warm. Just make sure that is not close to anything flammable. Yeah, the ceramic isn't going to catch fire. The tin cans aren't going to catch fire. But if you've got something flammable anywhere close to those candles, there's always a chance.

[A]

Yeah. Be careful.

[B]

Be careful.

[A]

Well, speaking of prayer, let's. Let's close this prayer. Father, thank you for bringing us together and showing us that there were those. A remnant. A remnant still listening and hearing your voice and preparing the way for the coming of Messiah. It was that group, that remnant around the Sea of Galilee that was ready when Jesus appeared. Among them, John recognized him. Behold the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. He found fertile ground because you had prepared the way amongst this group of essenes who had been waiting for Messiah and expecting his imminent arrival. May we continue to carry the torches that have been lit by the faithful who have gone on before us, by those who witnessed to us, mentored us, taught us, and ran the race right to the end of their lives. May we honor their legacy by doing the same, by showing love to those around us, even those who may curse and hiss at the sound of your name. We know, Father, it is not us that they reject, but you. And even as you endured the ultimate in human cruelty, you forgave them because they didn't know what they were doing. May we remember this, Lord, as we go out into the world. Most around us don't know what they're doing. And, Lord, we often lose sight and lose our way. And for those times, we ask your forgiveness. May we see and follow your light, Lord, in a darkening world and reflect that light to those around us. We pray for wisdom and discernment. Lord, we ask for your blessing. We thank you for your love and mercy and for Your sacrifice on our behalf. In Jesus name, Amen.

[B]

Amen.

[A]

It's like my dad. I get more emotional the older I get.

[B]

Well, I love that about you, honey.

[A]

There will be a view from the bunker tonight.

[B]

Oh, wonderful.

[A]

Yeah. Going back on my, my efforts, it's like, you know, every time I try to get out, they pull me back in.

[B]

Well, I was trying to get you to reduce the number of hours you work. Just.

[A]

And I think that is. I think that's wise actually, because you try to do everything and you wind up getting nothing done. Well, but Talking with Caspar McLeod, his partner in music, Renee Truex, I love her so much.

[B]

I love Casper too. There's something bubbly about Renee that just.

[A]

She is joy on two legs, isn't she? And Ohio Amy. Amy Young is her name, but goes by Ohio Amy. She's the coordinator of these Stay Awake America tour that Casper and Renee have been. Oh, yeah, performing at their band. In fact, they just had an event last weekend in New York.

[B]

Is she connected to General Flynn in some way?

[A]

Well, they met at the Wake Up America tour.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Which Casper had done a couple of events, got to know General Flynn. In fact, on his new disc, which is called Stay Awake America, there is a song titled General Flynn and it's got such a hook to it. It turns into an earworm in about two minutes. So. But anyway, they talk about the event and why they are needed now. And they're planning on coming around the country. In fact, they're hoping to get to make an event, produce an event here in the Ozarks at some point this coming year.

[B]

Oh, good.

[A]

So anyway, that'll. That'll be released at 7pm Central Time tonight with a brand new intro on A View from the Bunker. For the first time in years, we changed and upgraded the intro.

[B]

So is Elvis going to be honest?

[A]

It's not Elvis, no.

[B]

Well, AI Elvis is not actually.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. No, it is an AI generated intro, but it's. It's a little more, you know, intense and cinematic. So anyway, that'll be at 7pm tonight and until next time, I'm Derek Gilbert.

[B]

I'm Sharon Gilbert. We love you guys so very much. Have a wonderful day. Be safe. Bye bye, everybody.

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