Their Land is Filled With Idols

Summary

Gilbert House Fellowship – “Their Land is Filled With Idols”

Date: December 14, 2025
Hosts: Derek & Sharon Gilbert

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Episode Overview

This episode of Gilbert House Fellowship focuses on the early chapters of Isaiah—especially Isaiah 1 and 2—examining themes of idolatry, Israel's spiritual condition, prophetic parallels with the present, and supernatural dimensions behind biblical events. Derek and Sharon Gilbert intertwine contemporary events, like a tragic terror attack in Sydney, with scriptural study and ancient history. Throughout, they offer deep dives into Hebrew terminology, archaeological context, and meaningful practical and theological commentary—all with their characteristic blend of seriousness and warmth.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Current Events and Prophetic Parallels

• Sydney Hanukkah Attack ([00:24]–[04:10], [13:55]–[15:28])
  • Sharon shares breaking news about a terrorist attack at a Hanukkah event in Australia targeting the Jewish community.
  • Derek contextualizes it as part of a broader spiritual and historical struggle against Israel and the Jewish people.
  • Speculation on the attack’s links to Middle Eastern events (e.g., death of Hezbollah’s Ali Tabatapai).
  • Noted parallel: Ongoing hostility toward the Jewish people mirrors patterns of oppression and resistance discussed by the prophets.

Notable Quote:

“We see again and again how Israel turned away from God and God would chastise them, but then when they humbled themselves and called out to Him, God would relent and then would send a deliverer.”
– Derek ([37:22])

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2. Historical Context & The Supernatural War

• Crusader History and Knights Templar ([04:10]–[06:19])
  • Reference to Raymond Ibrahim’s The Two Swords of Christ—clarifying the true mission of the Knights Templar.
• Ancient Near Eastern Cultures
  • Museum visit notes about the Yarmoukian culture (Copper Age) and artifacts relevant for biblical and supernatural history ([06:19]–[10:22]).
  • Discussion of Gilgal Rephaim, ophidian (snake-like) artifacts, and their connections to Genesis 6 and the concept of the Nephilim.

Notable Quote:

“The Copper Age is probably about the dating of the Gilgal Rephaim.”
– Derek ([09:18])

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3. Isaiah – Themes and Literary Structure

• Authorship & Historic Context ([13:57]–[16:12])
  • Isaiah’s lifetime, reign of four Judean kings, and overlap with the fall of the northern kingdom (Israel).
  • Explanation of how the prophets anchored history by referencing kings’ reigns.
• Idolatry as Spiritual Adultery
  • The faithful city (Jerusalem/Zion) is accused of becoming a “whore” by turning to other gods ([28:11]–[29:24]).
  • The concept of unfaithfulness is described as substituting ritual and outward religion for actual covenant faithfulness.
  • Key insight: Sacred oaks and gardens were linked to demonic cults of the dead—specifically, ancient practices to venerate (deceased) “Rephaim.”

Notable Quote:

“Gardens were used by the cultures around ancient Israel as a place not to grow vegetables, but as a place to venerate the deceased kings…The word was considered a cognate to ancient Persian, Paradisa, from which we get paradise.”
– Derek ([33:25])

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4. Biblical Text Exploration – Isaiah 1 & 2

Isaiah 1 – Israel’s Condition & Call to Repentance

• Emphasis on how “new moon” rites and temple sacrifices had become empty ritual.
• Heavens and Earth as Witnesses:
  • Old Testament motif of invoking nature as witnesses to covenants and indictments ([17:03]–[20:49]).
  • Heavens/earth personified, perhaps even as ancient deities in near-eastern treaty patterns.

Isaiah 2 – Prophecy of Restoration & the Fate of Idols

• The “mountain of Yahweh” will be spiritually exalted above all others in the “latter days”—a future Messianic era ([42:06]–[45:14]).
• Idolatry and Its Demonic Roots:
  • Hebrew word “elilim” (worthless idols) derived from ancient names for principalities (e.g., Enlil, El, Dagon).
  • Idols as “radios” or focal points through which demons receive worship ([49:22]–[53:47]).
  • Prophecy that God will lay low all pride—both human and supernatural powers (“lofty mountains, oaks of Bashan” as veiled references to fallen entities).

Notable Quote:

“Idols gave locality to whatever god was being worshiped. And the elilim, then, I suggest, are just demons.”
– Derek ([51:33])

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5. Interlude: Supernatural Worldview

• Role of Demons & Fallen Angels
  • The language of “elilim” connects Israel’s idolatry to demonic activity—not just theological error ([62:08], [63:34]).
  • The battle is both seen and unseen; spirits are actively working to deceive and destroy what God has called good.

Notable Quote:

“You have these evil intelligences you can’t see…who want to destroy everything God created and called good, including us.”
– Derek ([63:34])

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6. Modern Israel and Prophetic Fulfillment

• Is the Modern State the Israel of Prophecy? ([36:51]–[41:11])
  • Refutation of the belief that end-times Israel must already be spiritually regenerate.
  • History shows Israel restored, chastised, restored again—it is part of the long redemptive cycle.
• Grace Not Works: ([41:35]–[42:04])
  • Warning against box-ticking religion—both ancient and modern.
  • Recent Barna study on American Christianity shows confusion about works vs. grace, reflecting Isaiah’s charge about outward religiosity.

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7. Islam, Eschatology, & The End-Times

• Does Revelation Foresee Islam?
  • Listener question regarding Islam in Revelation ([71:59]–[80:15]).
  • Derek argues Islam’s role in end-times is more as a tool or “cannon fodder” for fallen powers, not as the Antichrist system itself.
  • Islam’s own eschatology features the Mahdi (not mentioned in the Qur’an) and the Dajjal (counterfeit Christ figure).
• Changing Demographics and Europe’s Spiritual State
  • Significant cultural shifts due to Islamic immigration in the West, underpinning a larger spiritual battle.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Ritual vs. Relationship:

  “It’s what’s in the heart that matters.” – Sharon ([24:58])
  “No, you got these evil intelligences…who want to destroy everything that God created and called good, meaning earth, and everything on it, including us.” – Derek ([63:34])

• On Israel’s Restoration:

  “The modern state of Israel is no more righteous than Israel in the Old Testament…that does not mean it’s not the real Israel.” – Derek ([39:37])

• On The Supernatural Assembly:

  “The mountain, I think it means more than just the hill it’s on. I think it’s talking about the assembly, because the mountain where the head deity ruled always had his assembly up there.” – Sharon ([44:09])

• On the Fate of Idols:

  “The idols shall utterly pass away. The elilim, not the stone and the wooden things… the entities will just pass away.” – Sharon ([57:46])

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Important Timestamps

• 00:24–04:10: News on Bondi Hanukkah terror attack, spiritual significance.
• 06:19–10:22: Yarmoukian culture, ancient archaeological context, Gilgal Rephaim.
• 13:57–16:12: Isaiah’s historical setting and timeline.
• 28:11–30:27: Connection of idolatry to sacred trees (“oaks”) and burial gardens.
• 37:06–39:37: Israel’s cycles of apostasy, chastisement, and restoration.
• 41:35–42:04: Modern misunderstandings of salvation and works.
• 49:22–53:47: “Their land is filled with idols”—demonic roots of idolatry.
• 62:08–63:34: “Elilim” as a theological and spiritual shorthand for demonism.
• 71:59–80:15: Is Islam referenced in Revelation? End-times speculation.
• 86:29–90:23: Old People Report—Personal health updates of Sharon and Derek.

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Additional Highlights

App and Community

• Strong encouragement to download the Gilbert House Ministries app for study notes, fellowship, and event updates ([11:23]–[12:50]).

Upcoming Events

• Virtual UFO Deception Summit w/ L.A. Marzulli in January, featuring numerous Christian thinkers tackling the “alien gospel” topic ([93:34]–[97:50]).

Compassionate Closing

• Hosts share personal and listener prayer needs, offering words of encouragement for those feeling alone or burdened ([90:23]–[93:04]).

Notable Quote:

“We are never alone. We’ll feel alone because we don’t see human beings…but the Lord…He is there. I promise you, He is there.” – Sharon ([92:49])

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Takeaway Themes

• Supernatural worldview is essential for understanding both prophecy and current events.
• Idolatry is not ancient history—it’s an ongoing spiritual threat, manifesting in new forms.
• God’s faithfulness endures even when His people are in rebellion or spiritual blindness.
• The ultimate hope is not in rituals or works, but in Christ’s redemption and God’s promise to restore and judge in the end.

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For further engagement and in-depth notes, download the Gilbert House Ministries app or visit gilberthouse.org.

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Disclaimer: Timestamps are approximate; skip non-content sections as needed. All attributions and direct quotations are pulled based on original transcript marks.

Transcript

[A]

From the frigid Missouri Ozarks, greetings and welcome to the Gilbert House fellowship for Sunday, December 14, 2025. I'm Derek Gilbert and guess who I am.

[B]

I'm Sharon Gilbert. Welcome to our home, everyone. We are delighted that you have chosen to join us once again on this very brisk. If you live anywhere in cold regions, then you are in northern climes. Then you are probably either building a fire today or stoking up the furnace or whatever it's about when I got up this morning, which is about 3 o', clock, it was 9 degrees outside and minus 2 was the real feels that they're now saying. But I know many of you are living in parts of the world that are seeing spring. We've got friends in New Zealand and Australia and they are seeing spring like weather right now. But there's also news from Australia this morning. If you haven't seen the story about the Bondi Hanukkah event where at least two shooters decided that they were going to start killing people.

[A]

Yeah, it is. I've not even had a chance to look at the news yet this morning because I, for some reason wound up sleeping more than 12 hours overnight tonight.

[B]

You needed it. You got up early yesterday.

[A]

Yeah, but I thought, well, they've tweaked my thyroid, so I thought maybe, okay, maybe I don't need as much sleep because yesterday for me, getting up early meant I only got about seven or eight, which is what I used to. But anyway, it's. Yeah, it is a sad day for the Jewish community in Australia as the Hanukkah attack took place. There was an event in Sydney on Bondi beach. Yeah. And I24 news, which is of course the Israeli news source, but often in English, some of their programs in Hebr, but, but much of it in English. Yeah. What is the, the current count there?

[B]

Well, at least 11 people were killed by gunmen who targeted a Jewish holiday celebration of Bondi beach in Sydney, what authorities called a terrorist attack.

[A]

12 dead now.

[B]

Yep. There was a gentleman who jumped in and took down one of these shooters, took his gun and then started shooting at the shooters. He himself, the hero is last I saw, was in surgery because he was injured. I mean, this man probably saved a lot of lives.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. The thought is that this might have beenand I guess they're looking for reasons, but clearly it was an Islamic attack on the Jewish community. But the speculation is that this might have been in retaliation for the death of Hezbollah's chief of staff, Ali Tabatapai, who was Killed just about three weeks ago in southern Lebanon.

[B]

Well, that's possible, but there were fireworks set off by Muslims in the area who were celebrating the attack.

[A]

Yeah. And, you know, we were in the process of reading a new book by Amra by Raymond Ibrahim. Sorry, I'm still a little slow this morning.

[B]

Need more coffee.

[A]

Which was just released about two weeks ago. It was released on November 25, called the Two Swords of Christ, which really focuses on a couple of the heraldic orders of knights, the Knights Templar, which are not.

[B]

They're not exactly what we've been told.

[A]

Yeah, we think today that, oh, they were occult groups and they amassed all this money and it's hidden on Oak island or whatever. No, they were there to protect Christian pilgrims trying to get to the holy sites in Jerusalem. Because even after the First Crusade in 1095 AD, when Western armies were able to set up Christian kingdoms in Jerusalem and in Acre and in Antioch and Edessa and a few other places in and around what is now Israel, Muslims were still all over the place. They were pretty cheesed. And so Christian pilgrims coming to visit those sites were at risk. So, anyway, when you read the history of the region and Raymond's earlier books, Defenders of the west, and especially Sword and Scimitar, which documents the most consequential battles in the history of Islam's relations with the west, which is called the west, because that's all that was left of Christendom at the high point of Islamic conquest in the 8th century. They'd conquered everything that had been previously Christian in North Africa, the Middle east, most of Turkey. They'd crossed Straits of Gibraltar, they'd conquered Spain. All that was left was the West. So that's why we still today, to this day, call Western, the Western world, the West. Islam had a lot to do with that. Islam really ushered in the Dark Ages. The Middle Ages were the Dark Ages because Islam severed the connection with the Eastern Roman Empire.

[B]

You know, it's really interesting because this morning you were still asleep, but a message on messenger came in from our good friend Aaron Lipkin. He was at a museum for the Yarmouki culture, the culture along the Yarmouk river and the battle of Yarmouk. 636. It is not 636. Yeah, 636.

[A]

36, yes, yeah.

[B]

Is when the. The Romans were kicked out. The Byzantine Rome, Roman cause, the Eastern Romans. Yeah, yeah, the Eastern Romans were kicked out. So essentially this was the end to Roman rule.

[A]

Yeah, until about the year 1100.

[B]

But it was a Long time. And it was. The Yarmouk, by the way, is the second biggest river in Israel and it is essentially the border between Israel and Syria.

[A]

Between Jordan and Syria.

[B]

Sorry. Yeah, you're right. Jordan and Syria.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, that. And this followed a couple centuries where the Eastern Roman Empire and the Parthians had been fighting back and forth, which weakened both. And that's why the Arabs were able to then go ahead and conquer Persia and establish Islam as the religion of Persia. So, yeah, we tend to think of traditionally Muslim lands as always having been Muslim. But remember, the Muslims didn't even exist until the early seventh century. And they spread their religion by, to use a hot buzzword among liberals today, colonized the Middle East. So anyway, when you read those books and read Islamic history or Islamic eschatology, the works of Dr. Timothy Furnish, you really get an understanding that this conflict between Islam and the west really won't end until Jesus comes back.

[B]

No, it really won't. I'm sorry, I was trying to see why I thought it was between Israel. It's because it also borders Israel. It's a big river.

[A]

Yeah. The Yarmruk empties into the Jordan just south of the Sea of Galilee. So. And we would. And that's that Yarmoukian culture named for the river is a Caucolithic or Copper Age culture that was very prominent in and around Israel back it ended around 3500 BC.

[B]

Yeah. The things that Aaron was showing in his little here I'm at this museum kind of teasing thing, they were the very things that you and I find so interesting because we really are. I'm fascinated by the Copper Age.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

A lot of things changed between the Copper Age and the Bronze Age going into the Iron Age.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And the Copper Age is probably about the dating of the Gilgal Refaim.

[A]

Yes, Gilgal Refaim dates to about, according to Dr. Mike Frickman, the archaeologist who we spend a day with at the site. This is that big megalithic site on the Golan Heights about 10 miles east of the Sea of Galilee. 3710 BC was the number he came up with, plus or minus 180 years. But they found evidence that there was an older structure there at the site that had been dismantled and the stones reused to build Gilgal Rephaim. So I'm looking at the pictures that Aaron sent and oh, look, you got those little coffee bean ice figurines.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Just like the ophidian structures from ancient Uruk.

[B]

Ophidian, as in Snake like.

[A]

Snake like. Yes, you may have seen those. They're little pointy headed, almost alien looking creatures but they're doing mammalian things like a mother suckling her young.

[B]

Yeah, it is really super creepy. So it harkens back I think to Genesis 6.

[A]

It does, yes. Well, today we definitely would like to visit that museum on our next.

[B]

I know, I know. Aaron is going to be here, I think in February.

[A]

February, yeah. So we're looking forward to hopefully Aaron and Ettie Lipkin making a stop here in the Ozarks.

[B]

Yeah, I asked him if we were going to get to see him. If you are interested in having Aaron speak to your church. Yes, he is taking. Adding to his itinerary so you can let us know or you can contact him through Facebook.

[A]

Yeah. And he is setting up an itinerary to go and speak at churches and share the archaeological evidence for the biblical narrative. Yeah. Because the stones are crying out and really helping to confirm what's in the Bible.

[B]

They really are. Well, speaking of the Bible, we are in the book of Isaiah today.

[A]

Oh, excellent.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

Oh, which is so important.

[A]

Right. Where you can. The prayer request section, very active. But you've also got sections there where you can comment on these studies, ask questions of Sharon and me, an open forum where you can post whatever's on your heart and of course section for us to post announcements about things that are coming up.

[B]

Yeah. By the way, the announcements part, if you could just let Derek and I use that. That way you know that whatever the whenever announcement is up there, it's from one of us. That's kind of why we recreated it. If you've used it in other ways, it doesn't upset us, just it makes it easier for us to get something through that thread of information.

[A]

There's a lot of activity on there and we're very thankful for that but oh so thankful. We will also got a new event to tell you about. We'll talk about that at the end of the study.

[B]

I love events.

[A]

Oh yeah, yeah. Ye, Louisiana. I was thinking Mr. Zulli. Yeah. Mr. Zulli, Louisiana. Zulli.

[B]

LSMFT.

[A]

So we'll talk about it at the end. I really need to have more of this coffee. I'll get into that when we get to Isaiah chapter two. But we'll open with a word of prayer. Father, thank you for bringing us together over your word. And Father, we just ask for clarity of thought. Help us Lord, to understand your word in the context in which it was written. Help us to see the world to the best of our ability through the eyes of the prophets and the apostles. Father, we thank you for preserving your word through these many centuries. And Lord, we just ask your spirit to grant us wisdom as we study in Jesus name. Amen.

[B]

Amen.

[A]

So the prophet Isaiah.

[B]

Yeah. What can you tell us about good old Isaiah?

[A]

Well, we, we see right off the, right off the Top in verse 1, he names the four kings who ruled during his lifetime. And of course, we probably all know about Hezekiah because of the miracle of Hezekiah's, you know, the sundial, basically the sun going back on the steps.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which was a sign to Hezekiah that he would be healed. But Isaiah lived quite a long time. He probably lived into his 80s, if not longer.

[B]

That's really a long time. Yeah, but you know, it's not Moses. Moses lived longer. Of course. Adam lived the longest.

[A]

True.

[B]

Well, no, Methuselah was the longest.

[A]

Well, yes, but Isaiah lived during the reign of four kings and that probably spanned 60 years. So we're going to say, according to the scholars have looked at this, the full reigns of the four kings covered a span of about a century from 790 BC to about 687 BC Isaiah, because he refers to the death of King Uzziah, who we talked about last week in the beginning of Isaiah. Chapter six means his ministry probably began around the year 740 BC so we're going to say that Isaiah probably roughly 740 BC to about 687 B.C. that's the time frame.

[B]

Yeah. Over 50 years.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. So that's. And some pretty consequential things there because the northern kingdom of Israel was destroyed by the Assyrians in 722. So during the time, the lifetime of Isaiah.

[B]

Yeah, you know, there are some that think he may have reigned. Reigned prophesied for more than 60 years.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

And that's if he was contemporary with. And it looks like he may have been with Manasseh, then he may have prophesied for. At least according to this, for as long as 64 years.

[A]

Well, that would. That would track, obviously, since they didn't have the same dating available to them that we have today. They didn't. They would always, you know, beginning in the such and such, you know, the

[B]

fourth year of the fourth.

[A]

Yeah, the reign of so and so.

[B]

So you have to figure out when did they reign exactly according to our

[A]

date, and then cross check those numbers with the calendars of other surrounding cultures and so forth. So we'll begin with Isaiah, chapter 1, verse 1. The vision of Isaiah, the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah. Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth. For Yahweh has spoken. Children have I reared and brought up, but they have rebelled against me.

[B]

Just want to stop for a second because this is really interesting. Hear, O heaven. Hear, O earth. Hearken, O earth. Asking like their witnesses. And there was a. Even at this time, the heavens and the earth were personified as deities as well as locations.

[A]

Yeah. And in Hebrew, that would be shimeyim. So it's plural. O heavens and Gevir, O aretz.

[B]

And that could be the underworld.

[A]

Yes. So the world above and the world below.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which is like the Sumerian concept of. Embodied in the fact that their word for mountain, Kur, was also the word for netherworld. And so, you know, look at the context, which is why, as we discussed, the chief God of the Mesopotamians, Enlil, whose epithet, as was the epithet of Dagon, the Philistines and the Amorites, was great mountain. But what if it. Because that entity had been relegated to the netherworld by the time of Abraham. In the Mesopotamian texts, it could also mean great netherworld or great blow.

[B]

Well, Hades is a place and a deity.

[A]

So is Tartarus, Which is why I argued in Second Coming of Saturn that Abaddon was the equivalent of Tartarus, A deity, but also a place, given the way it's used in some parallels with death, Maat in Hebrew or Maveth in Hebrew, it suggests that that might be the case, or at least that's where the Greeks may have gotten the idea.

[B]

So here's the thing. The Lord is speaking through Isaiah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he's asking the heavens and the earth to hear what he's saying. They're the audience.

[A]

Yeah, in fact, the Faith Life Study Bible. And this is one of the reasons we like the Faith Life Study Bible. They note this, there are a couple of other places in Deuteronomy where heavens and earth witness the formal acceptance of the covenant between God and Israel. But this is consistent with the way treaties were witnessed in the rest of the ancient Near East. There were always deities that were called upon to witness the treaties. Now, the biblical writers here are not saying the heavens and the earth are necessarily deities themselves, but they're being used in the same way that treaties in the ancient world were witnessed. And this is why we know that, for example, Enlil and Dagon and El are all one in the same and Kumarbi of the Hurrians, because this was considered so important in the ancient world that scribes who had to translate or create copies of treaties in the languages of the various nations involved would come up with lists of the deities and then correspond one to another, which many of you have asked us to do in our writings, because they don't always correspond one to one.

[B]

No, they don't.

[A]

Yeah, but we have to know that, you know, Enlil is El and BAAL is, you know, Teshub or whatever. So it's very helpful. Sort of like clay tablet version of Google Translate, kind of. Yeah, yeah. I hear, O heavens. And give ear, O earth, for Yahweh has spoken. Children have I reared and brought up, but they have rebelled against me. The ox knows its owner and the donkey its master's crib. But Israel does not know. My people do not understand. Ah, sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, offspring of evildoers, children who deal corruptly. They have forsaken Yahweh. They have despised the Holy One of Israel. They are utterly asleep, estranged.

[B]

In the Septuagint in verse four, A sinful nation, a people full of sins and evil seed. Lawless children. Interesting way to put it. An evil seed.

[A]

Yeah. I'm going to go down a little further here. I've got some thoughts that are kind of brewing in the back of the. My mind related to the relation between the modern nation of Israel and God. We can discuss that later. Why will you still be struck down? Why will you continue to rebel? The whole head is sick and the whole heart faint from the sole of the foot, even to the head. There is no soundness in it but bruises and sores and raw wounds. They are not pressed out or bound.

[B]

It says festering ulcer.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, good description. They are not pressed out or bound up or softened with oil. Your country lies desolate. Your cities are burned with fire. And again, bear in mind that Isaiah was at the beginning of his ministry. It was toward the end of the, the life of the Northern kingdom of Israel when the Assyrians were constantly attacking from the north. There'd been a number of incursions before that had been held off over the previous 100, 150 years. AHAB was part of a coalition of Aramean, Phoenician and, you know, and the, the Israeli, or Israelite kingdom that withstood incursions by the Assyrians. But eventually the Assyrians just overwhelmed them. And we're getting toward the time here where the Northern Kingdom just couldn't withstand Assyria any longer. Your cities are burned with fire in your very presence. Foreigners devour your land. It is desolate as overthrown by foreigners. And the daughter of Zion is left like a booth in a vineyard, like a lodge in a cucumber field. In other words, the kingdom is like, you know, a little tent made of sticks, like a besieged city. If Yahweh of Hosts had not left us a few survivors, we would have been like Sodom and become like Gomorrah. Hear the word of Yahweh, you rulers of Sodom, using Sodom as an image for the wickedness of the people of Israel and Judah, give ear to the teaching of our God. You people of Gomorrah. What to me is the multitude of your sacrifices, says Yahweh. I have had enough of burnt offerings, of rams and the fat of well fed beasts. I do not delight in the blood of bulls or of lambs or of goats. When you come to appear before me, who has required of you this trampling of my courts? Bring no more vain offerings. Incense is an abomination to me. New moon and Sabbath and the calling of convocations. I cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly. Basically coming to temple and saying, yeah, it doesn't matter what we believe as long as we do the rituals.

[B]

It's what's in the heart that matters.

[A]

Right? This is the beginning of the idea that, hey, look, it's not the ritual that saves you, it's what's in your heart. Your new moons and your appointed feasts, my soul hates. They have become a burden to me. I am weary of bearing them when you.

[B]

Oh, hold on. It says in the Septuagint, I will no more pardon your sins.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

That's different from worrying bearing them.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. And again, this gets back to the difference between the Septuagint, which was translated 3rd century BC or thereabouts, and the Masoretic text on which our Old Testament is based, which was completed around the year 900 A.D. there's almost more than a thousand years difference between the two. And the idea of pardoning of sins, repentance for the forgiveness of sins, which was that new doctrine that John the Baptist brought, which is why the priests and Levites had to send a delegation to find out what he was teaching and who gave him the authority to do it. But it's rooted in what you just read in the SEPTUAGINT. Yeah. Again, 15.

[B]

Unless you're gonna read 14. Again.

[A]

Yeah. Your new moons and your appointed feasts. My soul hates. They've become a burden to me. I am weary of bearing them.

[B]

Yes, they've become loathsome to me. I will no more pardon your sins.

[A]

When you spread out your hands, I will hide my eyes from you. Even though you make many prayers, I will not listen. Your hands are full of blood. Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean. Remove the evil of your deeds. From before my eyes. Cease to do evil.

[B]

Verse 16 in the Septuagint is a little different, and I really like it. Wash you, be clean. Remove your iniquities from your souls before mine eyes. Cease from your iniquities. So, again, it's what's in your heart, right?

[A]

Learn to do good. Seek justice. Correct depression. Bring justice to the fatherless. Plead the widow's cause. Played the widow's cause. Come now, let us reason together, says Yahweh. We all heard that verse. Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be white as snow.

[B]

This says, though you're. Oh, yeah. Though your sins be as purple. Interesting.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Scarlet and purple were sort of close. I think they came from the same die source.

[A]

Though they are red like crimson, they shall become like wool. If you are willing and obedient, you shall eat the good of the land. But if you refuse and rebel, you shall be eaten by the sword. For the mouth of Yahweh has spoken. How the faithful city. That's Kirya. Okay. Like the modern Kiryat, as in.

[B]

Oh, yeah,

[A]

and Kharbet in Arabic. Yeah. I was looking to see if it was year, as in Urim. Cities or Watchers. Yeah. But no, it's Kirya. How the faithful city has become a whore.

[B]

This is actually the faithful city, Zion. It's actually spelled out Septuagint.

[A]

Interesting, they took that out. The Masoretic. How the faithful city has become a whore. She who was full of justice, righteousness lodged in her. But now, murderers, your silver has become dross. Your best wine mixed with water. Your princes are rebels and companions of thieves. Everyone loves a bribe and runs after gifts. They do not bring justice to the fatherless, and the widow's cause does not come to them. Therefore, the Lord declares yahweh of hosts, the Mighty One of Israel. I will get relief from my enemies and avenge myself on my foes.

[B]

Okay, can you start 24 again?

[A]

Yeah. Therefore the Lord declares. And that is not L in all caps, that is Adon, as in Adonai. Therefore the Lord declares Yahweh of hosts, the Mighty One of Israel.

[B]

Okay. This says, therefore, thus saith the Lord, the Lord of Hosts. Woe to the mighty men of Israel.

[A]

Oh, I will get relief from my enemies and avenge myself on my foes. I will turn my hand against you and will smelt away your dross, as with lye, and remove all your alloy. And I will restore your judges, as at the first, and your counselors, as at the beginning. Afterward, you shall be called the City of righteousness, the faithful city.

[B]

This says the faithful Mother city of Zion.

[A]

Hmm.

[B]

It says Zion again.

[A]

Yeah. Well, verse 27. We get to Zion. Zion shall be redeemed by justice and those in her who repent by righteousness.

[B]

Yeah. It says, for her captives shall be saved with judgment and with mercy, but

[A]

rebels and sinners shall be broken together, and those who forsake Yahweh shall be consumed, for they shall be ashamed of the yokes that you desired. Day. Some manuscripts in Hebrew, say you.

[B]

It says they. In the Septuagint, it says they shall be ashamed of their idols. You said oaks.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

Sacred trees is the way they translated in the Net Bible.

[B]

Oaks of the terabyte sometimes.

[A]

Well, they were. Oh, interesting. Yeah. It's Elim, which is a contracted form of Elohim.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you shall bless for the gardens that you have chosen. Genoth, which is plural of Gan or Ganoth.

[B]

This says gardens, which they coveted.

[A]

Yeah. For you are like an oak. Elah, the word is very similar to the singular form of Elohim, which is Eloah and Elim. In fact, I've written about this in. I don't want to say Second Coming of Saturn, but it might be another book. We're at the point now where I forget what we've written in which book might be in veneration, but we did a chapter on gardens and sacred gardens. We've written about this a few times, and I think you wrote the chapter on gardens, that gardens were used by the cultures around ancient Israel as a place not to grow vegetables, but as a place to venerate the deceased kings. So the Amorites would be buried and the Gan, or the garden, was considered a place for the cult of the deceased king. Now, the word was considered a cognate to a word in ancient Persian, Paradisa, from which we get paradise. And the idea, the concept of the word. And this is based on a. This was. Edward Lipinski wrote about this, that the word meant a ramparted enclosure. In other words, a place with walls around it that was reserved for the king. But again, in the ancient world, I mean, like the hanging gardens of Babylon, that was to. Here's where the cult of Nebuchadnezzar would be worshipped, or the cult of all the dead kings.

[B]

Which is really interesting when you think that these were probably gardens hanging from the terraced ziggurat.

[A]

Yes, exactly. Exactly. And when we get to, you know, deeper into Isaiah and we read about. Or deeper into Second Kings and 2 Chronicles, we read about the son and grandson of Hezekiah, Manasseh and Amon. Unlike every prior king of Judah who is buried with his fathers in the city of David, those two were buried in the garden of the king. I think they went native and were tried to become members of the assembly of the Rephaim after death. I think that's what Isaiah is communicating here. Because when we get to Isaiah, like 57 and 65, we'll see that he definitely was condemning them for this sort of thing.

[B]

And that's why I think in the Septuagint, it's better it says, and they are made ashamed of the gardens which they coveted.

[A]

Yeah, I think you're right. It's not about prize winning roses. It's about, this is where the cult of the dead was celebrated. They shall be ashamed of the oaks or the terabytes. But again, the word Elim, contraction of Elohim, of the gods that you desired. And they shall blush for the gardens again, where they would venerate. The Rephaim that you have chosen for you shall be like an oak whose leaf withers like a garden without water. And the strong shall become tinder, and his work a spark. And both of them shall burn together with none to quench them. The thing that was kind of tickling in the back of my mind as we were reading about how Israel had separated itself from Yahweh. There are those today who argue that the modern state of Israel cannot be the restored Israel, it's prophesied. And again we even see here in Isaiah chapter one, that. Here in Isaiah, beginning in verse 25, I'll turn my hand against you and I will smelt away your dross as with lie. Remove all your alloy and I will restore your judges as at the first, and your counselors as at the beginning. Afterward you shall be called the City of Righteousness, the faithful city. There are those who are arguing and Dr. Mike Spalding has got a good book just released and we are expecting a copy in our PO Box any day now because Mike promised he would send one. Which is good because I'm going to be citing that book in book two of War of the Watchers, that there really is no biblical support for the idea that modern Israel is not the real Israel. There's a belief, I think, that when Israel is restored, it's going to be righteous and God fearing. And the underlying current there is that when it's restored, they will all recognize Yeshua as Messiah. In other words, it's going to be restored as a Christian nation.

[B]

No, they will eventually when he returns upon him whom they have pierced. And I believe, I think that it's more than just Israel looking upon. Oh yeah, I think it's the whole world.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Suddenly they all realize, oh, that's actually all the things we were told are real. And some will then have a belief in him, in their heart.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And others will recognize who he is and despair.

[A]

Yeah, we see again and again how Israel turned away from God and God would chastise them, but then when they humbled themselves and called out to him, God would relent and then would send a deliverer. You know, we saw this through the period of the Judges, even down to the time of Isaiah. Again and again this happened.

[B]

I think Isaiah is one of his sons. The name means God has a remnant or something like that.

[A]

Yeah, I know. We'll get to that here in a few chapters.

[B]

Yeah. Isaiah is actually his name means Jehovah has saved. So if Jehovah has saved a remnant, then you go to his Son. So I think oftentimes looking at the meanings of names is really important.

[A]

So then we go to chapter two, one more point.

[B]

Oh, sorry.

[A]

My point was that when you get to verses 25, 26, 27, that you don't see in the last days, you know, afterward you shall be called the city of righteousness, the faithful city. We get there, but it's after another period of being chastised. It's not suddenly it's reconstituted brought back together, and it's already this spotless bride waiting for the return of the king. It's as we see in Zechariah 12:14, that they will undergo a period of real trouble. And then Messiah comes.

[B]

Oh, yeah. When you became a Christian listener. When I became a Christian, did either one of us become perfect?

[A]

No.

[B]

In the eyes of the Lord, yes. Because we're covered in the Lord's blood. We're covered in Jesus blood. But inside. Oh, no. I make a lot of mistakes. I do a lot of really stupid things.

[A]

So my point is that the modern state of Israel is no more righteous than Israel in the Old Testament. And I don't know why there are Christians who seem to think that this can't be Israel because they don't believe in Jesus.

[B]

I know. Yeah, I know. But that's my point. Say belief in Jesus doesn't make you perfect on the inside. You still make a lot of stupid. So that can be as an individual, as a family, as a people.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So even if modern Israelis are messianic, they still make mistakes.

[A]

Well, yeah. Yeah. And clearly the majority, you know, Israel is about 70% Jew, and many of them are secular. Of course, you got many Muslims living inside the borders of Israel. It's about 2% Christian. But that percentage has been growing. It's the only place in the Middle east where Christians are growing in percentage and in number. But, yeah, the fact that they are not Christian yet does not mean it's not the modern state of Israel, that Israel is not the real Israel.

[B]

Well, I suspect that the Old Testament brand of Judaism was similar to, well, certain large denominations today. Won't name them because I just don't want to name. And shame. But, yeah, if you have a list of. Okay, here's the list. It can be the Jesus plus or whatever you want to call it.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Here's the list. As long as you tick those boxes every week, you're fine. As long as you go to the temple and you sacrifice on the particular season and you do this, this and this, you're fine. But no, that's outward. It's whitewashed sepulchers. Inside, you're filled with dead men's bones.

[A]

As we discussed on PID radio yesterday, the recent Barna survey from Arizona Christian University, more than half of American Christians believe that doing good things for other people or being good enough will get you into heaven. That's about 75% of Roman Catholics. But even, you know, about 40% of evangelical Christians believe that to be true. So, no, I Mean that number. That percentage should be zero. Zero percent of Christians believe you can earn your way.

[B]

It is not Jesus.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Chapter two. The word of Isaiah, or Isaiah, the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. It shall come to pass in the latter days. Underline that. It shall come to pass in the latter days that the mountain of the house of Yahweh shall be established as the highest of the mountains and shall be lifted up above the hills and all the nations shall flow to it. I got to tell you, geographically, it is not the highest mountain.

[A]

No, the Temple Mount in Jerusalem is not even the highest hill in Jerusalem.

[B]

No, it's almost in a bowl, kind of.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, the Mount of Olives is 200ft higher. Mount Scopus is higher. The western hill is higher. So, yeah. There are a number of hills in Jerusalem that are taller that you can look down on the Temple Mount from these vantage points.

[B]

It's sort of an echo. And I'll give all credit to Zeb Porat for teaching this of Mount Garret Simon, Mount Gabal. A ball that in the middle was Joshua. Yeshua was in the middle right of a good choice and a bad choice. They were both really high. He was down in the valley. And of course, Zeb Porat then talks about how that's similar to the thief who accepted Christ and the thief who did not. There are so many wonderful things in that teaching, and I don't know if those shows have played yet, but if they have, go back and watch them again. Because Zeb Porat. Amazing. Yeah, amazing, amazing teacher.

[A]

He really is.

[B]

So, yes, it shall come to pass in the latter days. Latter days mean prophetically, end times. It's what we're in. We're in the latter days, but this hasn't come to pass yet.

[A]

No,

[B]

in the latter days, that the mountain of the house of Yahweh. The mountain, I think it means more than just the hill it's on. I think it's talking about the assembly, Because the mountain where the head deity ruled in the pagan realm always had his assembly up there. So this was a place where the entire kingdom got together. The Lord, the king, the head deity, Zeus, Satan, baal, the idea of like

[A]

a Mount Olympus sort of thing, kind of.

[B]

Yeah. But geographically, like I said, it is not the highest. So in the latter days, the mountain of the house of Yahweh shall be established as the highest of the mountains and shall be lifted up above the hills and all the nations shall flow to it. Underline all the nations. All of Them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

All means all. And that's all. And many peoples shall come. Interesting. All the nations and then as. And many peoples. Is this a reputation? A repetition?

[A]

Septuagint renders them both from the word Ethne. So.

[B]

So, yeah. Tribes.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Peoples. And many peoples shall come and say, come, let us go up to the mountain of Yahweh, to the house of the God of Jacob, that he may teach us his ways and that we may walk in his paths. Boy, howdy. That's going to be a day. I can't wait for that. Let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, the mountain of Yahweh, to the house of the God of Jacob, that he may teach us his ways and that we may walk in his paths. Paths. For out of Zion shall go forth the law or the teaching and the word of Yahweh. From Jerusalem he shall judge between the nations and shall decide disputes. This is the assembly part. And shall decide disputes for many peoples. And they shall beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation shall. Shall not lift up sword against nation. Neither shall they learn war anymore. Boy, there's a. There's a ton of. There's almost a book in that verse.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

A, that hasn't happened yet, clearly. B, they weren't. Will not learn war anymore. Who taught them war? Azazel.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Who is. Was given a special sentence. Yes, exactly. He is in Duda El beneath many, many, many sharp rocks. So we have been at war since Cain and Abel, O house of Jacob. Come, let us walk in the light of Yahweh. For you have rejected your people, the house of Jacob, because they are full of things from the east. Fortune tellers like the Philistines. And they strike hands with the children of foreigners. So not quite doing what they were taught to do.

[A]

Right. It's not so much that they married outside the tribe, it's that they were worshiping outside the faith.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, Solomon married outside the tribe for political reasons, but he didn't have to build those high places.

[A]

He didn't. But he did.

[B]

He did.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Their land is filled with silver and gold, and there is no end to their treasures. Their land is filled with horses, and there is no end to their chariots. This was something the Lord told Israel not to do. When you have a king.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He shouldn't multiply horses. And this was because horses meant war.

[A]

Right? Right. Kings rode on donkeys. Horses were strictly for war.

[B]

Their land is filled with idols. They bow down to the work of their hands, to what their own fingers have made. So man is humbled and each one is brought low. Do not forgive them. Enter into the rock and hide in the dust. From before the terror of Yahweh. Again, this is end times prophecy. So enter into the rock and hide in the dust.

[A]

I've got to back up to verse 8. The land is filled with idols. Yes, that word. There is a word that is credited to Isaiah as the one who created it. But we see it also in earlier writings from the Psalms and Proverbs. But that word is El Alim. And the reason that word translated idols and it's often translated worthless idols. Elsewhere in the Old Testament, a scholar by the name of At Clay more than a hundred years ago suggested that the origin of that word, the etymology of the word derives from the chief God of the Akkadians, Babylonians and Sumerians, the equivalent of El to the Canaanites in Akkadian, his name was Elil. To the Sumerians and Babylonians was Enlil. Wrote a chapter about that in the second coming of Saturn. Because Enlil was El, who was Saturn, who was Kronos, who was, you know, number of other Molech. And we argue that this is Shemyaza, the leader of that Genesis 6 rebellion, the El Elim. Then I think I titled the chapter Isaiah's Worthless Idols. We'll get into a like around Isaiah chapter 9 and 10, where he's condemning the oncoming Assyrians and their chief deity Asher, who was Enlil, who was El, who was Molech, etc Etc. Etc and the El Alim. It's essentially, I argue, the demonic minions of this entity who is now in Tartarus, chained up in the abyss. According to Peter and Jude, Paul wrote that the pagans in his day were worshipping demons, that there was demons that they were worshiping through the idols who gave the demons like a physical location, like a radio. Right. The idols gave locality to whatever God was being worshiped. And the El Aleem then I suggest are just demons.

[B]

I would too. And in this verse where it says they bow down to the work of their hands, to what their own fingers have made. Now, the Lord says in a number of places in the Old Testament, by the Lord I mean the Holy Spirit talking about how you can. These are worthless because we make them with our own hands. It's the fact that humans were willing to carve something to chip away at a piece of stone, to set up a even just anything. If you believed that that Anything. It's what's in your heart. If you believed that, that something like, I'm looking at a pillow on our couch. If I became convinced that that pillow would allow me to talk to somebody that I felt would give me power, you can bet that pillow would eventually become that thing. Because that's all the demons and the fallen angels are looking for, is something that we use with our own free will to say, hey, come talk to me.

[A]

Exactly. Could be. I think the most popular example of that in the modern world would be the Ouija board, which, hey, it's a game.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But you're focusing on that thing. You're giving locality to whatever spirit you're trying to contact.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Or to a spirit and they're to trying. Spirit you're trying to contact is probably not the one that'll answer you.

[B]

No, no. Anything will come and pretend to be right. What? Gosh, I want to talk to George Washington.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And suddenly. Oh, yeah.

[A]

Hey, I'm George.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. So I had highlighted that verse because this was part of the research I did for the second coming of Saturn. But as I was looking at the Septuagint version, it took me. It did translation. It took me a minute to realize, hey, wait a minute, that looks familiar. Let me go back. Oh, yeah. So Anyway, yeah. Isaiah 2, verse 8. The land is filled with idols. The land is filled with El Alim. The land is filled with demons being worshiped through these idols.

[B]

You know what I find so interesting is that by giving, first of all, by giving in. In the garden, Adam relinquished his position as a counselor in the divine council.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

He threw away a position as one of the Lord's own princes and gave it away. And this activity is a similar thing. You are giving away with your free will, opportunity to serve Yahweh, and instead you throw yourself away. You throw your life away by bowing down to the work of your own hands to allow the fallen realm to have control of your life. So, verse nine. So this means by doing this, so man is humbled and each one is brought low. Do not forgive them. Enter into the rock and hide in the dust from before the terror of Yahweh and from the splendor of his majesty. Oh, that's Revelation chapter, was it 6. When we see them, the men of the world who are panicking, rocks fall on us, hide us from the face of the sun.

[A]

Six is the chapter with the four horsemen.

[B]

Yeah, well, six also has the big earthquake. And I don't know if that's it or Not. But eventually, somewhere in the Book of Revelation, you're going to see these guys asking. The rocks just fall on us. We're going to. We're going to go in our little bunkers and we want the rock to come down and fall on us, to hide us, because we are terrified of the splendor of His Majesty.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The haughty looks of man shall be brought low and the lofty pride of men shall be humbled. And Yahweh alone will be exalted in that day. For Yahweh of Hosts, this is Lord of Armies. Yahweh of Hosts has a day against all that is proud and lofty. Against all that is lifted up and it shall be brought low. Against all the cedars of Lebanon.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Lofty and lifted up and against all the oaks of Bashan. These are speaking to these fallen entities.

[A]

Spirits. Right. They're not talking about trees. He's talking about spirits.

[B]

Against all the lofty mountains and against all the uplifted hills. Again, spirits. Against every high tower and against every fortified wall. Against all the ships of Tarshish and against all the beautiful craft.

[A]

Verse 16 is not even mentioned in the Septuagint.

[B]

Can you read the verse 16?

[A]

Verse 16 is. And against every sea. Ship. And against every sea. Sight of ships, of beauty.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The beautiful mentioned.

[B]

Let's see, what does it say here? For craft says here. Yet ship, craft, meaning very dubious is what it says here in the strongs. So, beautiful craft, verse 17. And the haughtiness of man shall be humbled and the lofty pride of men shall be brought low on. Yahweh alone shall be exalted in that day. And the idols shall utterly pass away. The Elim, not the stone and the. The wooden things that we've created.

[A]

Right.

[B]

The entities who just pass away, Septuagint

[A]

reads, and they will conceal artificial God.

[B]

What?

[A]

Yeah. Now that word was translated Gods was added by the translators of the Lexham English Septuagint. For clarity. The Brenton Septuagint reads, and they shall hide all idols made with hands. So. Yeah, but again, El Alim is a difficult word. The fellow who wrote the paper that pointed back to the work of A.T. clay was a scholar by the name of Christopher B. Hayes, who's written.

[B]

I think you've talked about him before.

[A]

I have because he's the one who points to Isaiah 14 and the use of the loan word from Egyptians. Egyptian. The word translated branch actually is an Egyptian loan word that means dead God, which was applied to Osiris It's a reference to Osiris, who is the equivalent of El enlil, Dagon, Molech, etc.

[B]

By the way, I meant to say this to you the other day, and then I forgot, which is typical of me. My brain, I so quickly just. Things vanish. Vaporware is what's in my brain all the time. The Maya, their burial customs. They gave their kings jade masks. They were making them green.

[A]

Oh, gotcha. Which is how Osiris is always depicted in Egyptian art. Right?

[B]

Yeah, that just dawned on me.

[A]

Turns green upon, you know, death in the. In the desert.

[B]

And people shall enter the caves of the rocks and the holes of the ground from. Yeah. Bunkers.

[A]

And you're right, by the way. It was. It is Revelation, chapter six.

[B]

Oh, I thought so.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

From before the terror of Yahweh and from the splendor of his majesty when he rises to terrify the earth. I don't think that most people, when they, you know, the. The churchgoers that think that, you know, good works get them there.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't think they picture God terrifying the earth. No, he's nice. He's like a nice baby, gentle Jesus, meek and wild.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No, when he rises to terrify the earth, and it may be to terrify Arets, the underworld. And in fact, literally. He literally rose again and terrified the underworld.

[A]

That is correct, yes. Again, whenever you read the word earth in the Old Testament in Hebrew, just remember in context, it might mean the netherworld and the spirits of the netherworld, meaning the rephaim, which are demons.

[B]

Yeah. In that day, mankind will cast away their idols of silver and their idols of gold, which they made for themselves to worship to the moles and to the bats. You know, grace and glory would be horrified by this.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They're. They're now living in a wonderful new home with a new family and being loved on every minute of the day. Yes, they're happy dogs, but moles and bats, well, these are some of the entities that they worshiped.

[A]

That. That's, you know, that they say that's why they, you know, hate moles and voles and.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That live in holes

[B]

they made for themselves to worship to the moles and to the bats, to enter the caverns of the rocks and the clefts of the cliffs. From before the terror of Yahweh and from the splendor of his majesty when he rises to terrify the earth. Stop. Regarding man, in whose nostrils is breath, for of what account is he?

[A]

Interestingly, that's added that is not in the Septuagint.

[B]

Ah, See, it seems out of context. It's like, okay, did some. This is like, okay, what?

[A]

Yeah, I think we've got the title of this week's study here, When He Rises to Terrify the Earth. But yeah, it is more than just God rising to bring judgment on humans because as we see here, several references to the El Lim. And if you've got a copy of the Second Coming of Saturn and you want to read about this study, this would be chapter 12 in the second coming of Saturn. Interestingly, the term Elil, or the word Elil, the name there was a belief, and this is based on the assumption, that culture in the ancient near east emerged in Sumer, which is southeastern Iraq today, and then spread northward. And now, just the last 20 years or so, scholars have begun to realize, wait a minute, that's not true, because they've been excavating almost 30 years now. Some of the cities in northern Mesopotamia, like Telmozan and Tell Halaf that there were cities in northern Mesopotamia emerging at the same time as the great cities of southern Mesopotamia like Ur and Uruk and Eridu. The name of Enlil does not derive from Sumerian words meaning en equals lord, Enlil meaning the ether, that it actually derives from Semitic words il or el, ilu, or Il, meaning God of gods, or God of all, all the gods. That's what we're dealing with here. We're dealing with the minions, the El Elim of this entity, Enlil, El Dagon Ashur. He was considered to be the father of the gods. Now, of course, that's a lie, fake news version of what really happened. We believe he was the leader of this rebellion. And of course, that rebellion, Genesis 6, the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were fair and took wives of any they chose. And from those illicit unions came the Nephilim, the giants who were on the earth in those days and also after that. And of course, it was the belief of jews through the 2nd century A.D. and Christians until the 5th century A.D. that demons were the spirits of those giants who died in the flood of Noah. What Isaiah appears to be describing here, and we'll see it again, it's in Isaiah 10, where he condemns the Assyrians for their haughtiness, that Isaiah uses this phrase a lot, the Elilim for the idols or worthless idols of the pagans. Paul echoes that in the New Testament with his condemnation of doctrines of demons and the idols of the pagans who worship demons. When you dig into the language. And you dig into the culture around the ancient world, you see that the prophets knew what their neighbors believed. And we need to bring that into the Bible because it makes the conflict in the spirit realm more three dimensional. It's not just, oh, well, sometimes I think bad thoughts and so I'm a sinner. No, you got these evil intelligences that you can't see most of the time, thankfully, who want to destroy everything that God created and called good, meaning earth, and everything on it, including us. So Isaiah here, when he's saying the idols shall pass away, it's like, okay, so he's going to destroy these carvings. No, he's talking about. He's going to destroy these spirits, these evil spirits against whom Jesus waged war right from the beginning of his ministry.

[B]

Well, also, I think it's important that when it says that the Lord, when he rises to terrify the earth.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

This is the idea of the king standing up and going to war. It's. It's like when Michael stands up.

[A]

Think. Think of this, the image, and this isn't accurate, but just in terms of the. The way it was depicted on screen and the way you just want to stand and go. Yes. In Lord of the Rings, when Theoden King suddenly begins to. He's removed from the influence of grime at Wormton. And suddenly Theoden regains his vigor and he's no longer just this old man just kind of sitting there. Now, of course, that doesn't apply to God.

[B]

No.

[A]

God is sitting there and he's patient because he's loving kindness. And his faithfulness, his chesed, is not conditional. He will chastise us. Yes. As he has chastised Israel. I mean, 1900 years without a. Without a nation, that's. That's pretty big chastisement.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But when he stands up, it's like. Yeah, it's. It's like in Daniel 12, when, at that time, Michael stands up to go to war.

[B]

Exactly. Because when the Lord comes back, when Jesus comes back, he's not a baby.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He's not meek and mild. He's leading an army. He is Lord of armies.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And we will very likely be with him, but I think all of his warrior angels are going to be with him. And woe to anybody, spirit or human, who is in. Well, is his target.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

He's here to. He's coming back for the Remnant. He's coming back for us. He's coming back for those who trust in him. And everybody else is a target.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

And has targets on Their backs.

[A]

Exactly. And this is why to this day, when you think about, you know, why does Israel get such a disproportionate amount of news coverage? Why is Israel such a point of contention?

[B]

It's a teeny weeny little nation.

[A]

Yeah. You look at the percentage of Jews on planet Earth, it's like 0.2% of the planet. 99.8% of the people on Earth are not Jews. And of those 14 million, a good percentage of them are secular and, you know, assimilated into the surrounding culture. They are not Jews in the sense of that they are distinct and separate, a priesthood to the nations as they should be. And this is God. I think we'll see when we return to Isaiah 3 and 4, because next week we'll continue in the book of 1 Enoch, so it'll be in the new year when we get to Isaiah 3, we'll see more of this chastisement that God is laying on the people of Israel. And yet Paul wrote in Romans 11, 700 years after Isaiah, God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew, despite the fact that, as we see in Isaiah, they were turning to the El Alim, they were worshiping. And when we get to later in Isaiah, amongst the oaks, you know, burning with lust, they were worshiping amongst the tombs and eating forbidden food. They were, they were worshiping and venerating these spirits who were coming up from the earth from the Aretes. And yet Paul said God has not rejected his people. Yes, those branches have been broken off, but if they've been broken off, they can be grafted back in again, just as you can be broken off, meaning us who've been grafted in. So, yeah, we're getting to some really interesting stuff here. And we, we were talking before we began this morning that when we went through Isaiah the first time back around 2015, boy, that was a long time ago. We thought we had pulled everything out of Isaiah that we could, but boy, have we learned some stuff since then.

[B]

So much more.

[A]

Yeah, Isaiah was really attuned to the supernatural war. So I think we're going to spend a lot of time on Isaiah over the next, I don't know, half a year or whatever. And it'll be interspersed with 2 Kings and 2 Chronicles because of some of the historical things taking place. But boy, just in the first two chapters here, I'd forgotten almost that I had flagged those verses in Isaiah 2 because of the use of the word elilim, which we will encounter again as we go through Isaiah.

[B]

Isaiah is A fascinating. It's one of my favorite books.

[A]

He was famous for his love of wordplay. And we will see. Boy, I can't wait to get Isaiah 14 because there is so much in there.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Of course, that's if you're not familiar, that's the chapter that says, how thou art fallen or how art thou fallen, O Lucifer, son of the morning.

[B]

Don't give it away.

[A]

All of that. Spoilers, spoilers. But yeah, things to look forward to in 2026.

[B]

I know. I am looking forward to 2026. I know many of you are, too. And, and I guess we could go ahead and do the. Do you want to do a question first or the old people report?

[A]

Let's do it.

[B]

For those who missed it yesterday.

[A]

Let's do a question.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah, got a question. And again, you can send those to us through the app or if you want to email it to us, you can email info@gilbert house.org gorg info gilbert house.org yeah, forgive me. You can hear my voice is rough. And sadly, this is not illness. This is just. This is part of the autoimmune issue I'm dealing with. And the fact that I've only got, you know, I'm working with one lung tied behind my back.

[B]

Kind of.

[A]

Yeah, modified like what Rush Limbaugh used to say, working with half my brain tied behind my back. My diaphragm on my left side is. Is frozen. So. Anyway, Wendy sends a note. Derek, I just finished watching a video that piqued my interest. It mentioned that Islam is in the Bible and used Revelation as its source. Can you talk about that? I see you had something on that. But specifically with. Regarding the Islamic religion in Revelation, Wendy, I think it's the other way around. I don't see Islam referenced specifically in the Book of Revelation. Now, I had written in the book Bad Moon Rising that I think Islam's role in the end times, which we have to account for, I mean, depending on who you ask, there are between 1.7 and 2 billion Muslims on earth right now. Christians about 2.3 billion. And, you know, figure both of those religions, many of those are just nominal Christians and nominal Muslims. But still, if your end times chart, spreadsheet, graph, whatever, doesn't factor in the Muslims, then you're really missing a huge piece of the puzzle. The easy thing is to say that the Antichrist must be the Islamic Mahdi. And the Mahdi is sort of the. Sort of like the Muslim equivalent of the Messiah. Interestingly, the Mahdi is not even mentioned in the Quran for such an important figure. And this is where the work of Dr. Timothy Furnish F U R N I S H is so important. His doctorate is in Islamic eschatology. He points out that the recent survey by the Pew Research Group found that upwards of like 70% of Muslims in the Middle east, places like Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan believe the Mahdi will return in their lifetimes, meaning probably in the next 20 to 40 years. That's huge for a character who's not even mentioned in the Quran. Tom Horn and the late, well, the late Tom Horn and Chris Putnam wrote in their book the Final Roman Emperor about a Christian work from the 6th century, 7th century, 7th century, the apocalypse of Pseudo Methodius, that there would be a final Roman Emperor who would emerge. And this was in response to the teachings that had emerged about the Mahdi. The Muslims said, well, you've got a Messiah coming who's going to save the world? Well, we've got the Mahdi and he's going to conquer the world for Islam. And so then this, the author who was probably living in Syria, which had been overrun, as Sharon mentioned early on, between 634 and 638 AD, what is today Syria, Lebanon, Israel had been overrun by Arabs. So Christians were trying to figure out, they were stunned, how could this be what happened? So they invented this final Roman Emperor who would then, you know, get rid of the Mohammedans. I think what's going to happen is that Islam will be used as cannon fodder by the fallen realm to draw Israel into a war that Israel will miraculously win with the help of some dynamic geopolitical leader. And that leader will be heralded as the Moshiach by the rabbis who are looking for the fulfillment of end times prophecy. There have been ultra Orthodox rabbis saying for more than 10 years now that Messiah is already here. He just hasn't revealed himself yet. But he will be the wrong man. That's my belief. Now it's speculation. But the bottom line is I don't see Islam specifically in the book of Revelation. You have to kind of read into Revelation, see Islam there. The Islamic prophecies of their Mahdi are essentially based on a cribbed version of the book of Revelation. It's like, yeah, we see your Revelation, we raise you a Mahdi. And then again in the seventh century you've got, okay, we see your Mahdi and raise you a final religion.

[B]

Yeah, a lot of things in the Quran were actually based upon Jewish sources, Christian sources, perhaps Manichean for all I know. There may have been other things in the area that were either used by Muhammad or used by the entity that lied to Muhammad.

[A]

Right.

[B]

To make it all seem worthwhile. But don't forget, get that there's a being that is supposed to rise up before the Mahdi, called the Dajjal.

[A]

Right. Who is sort of their version of the Antichrist. So it's likely that. And again, I wrote about this in Bad Moon Rising, that the Dajjal could be considered their version of the Christian Messiah. But I think they'll misidentify him because if they're looking for Messiah, it's like, ah, there's the Dajjal. No Messiah. When he comes, he's. He's going to win.

[B]

Oh, I know. The true Messiah.

[A]

The true Messiah will win.

[B]

Now the Lord himself said that there will be liars.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I'm not false Christ.

[A]

False prophets and false Christ.

[B]

What I find the reason I was smiling is because during the Bush administration. The Bush administration. 40. I think he was 40. 41. Bush Jr. W. George W. Bush. That he was thought to be the Dajjal. There were those who followed Osama bin Laden who were being. Who were teaching that George W. Bush was the Dajjal.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because of. Yeah. Okay. The invasion of Iraq and all that. Yeah. I think the idea of the Mideast Beast, which is a book by Joel Richardson, I respect Joel, like him a lot, but I think that's a little too obvious. I think for an Islamic leader to rise up and say, ah, there's the Antichrist. I think that'll be too obvious because they will try to use our own beliefs against us in sort of a spiritual jiu jitsu move or judo move. Use your enemies momentum against him. So they will try to draw. And again, this is back to where Israel, being such a small percentage of the world, is such a focus of the enemy, by which we mean the principalities and powers. And their attention is because they want to make God a liar. Let's make his promises to restore Israel a lie. Let's take God's mountain from him, which is the Temple Mount.

[B]

Yeah, I. I agree with that. The. You could tell by my face. I wanted to say something before I forgot it.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And that is that we're seeing an invasion of sorts throughout Europe that the population is turning over.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The immigrants, quote unquote, are coming in and those who've already immigrated there and have had children and been there for maybe two or three generations in Western European countries, that the belief in Muhammad is becoming the primary belief system, I

[A]

don't know how many years in a row in the uk, the number one name for new baby boys is Muhammad.

[B]

I know, but think about that if you can. I'm going to use the word infect because I think that this is a mind virus. This is a. A fallen entity who is infecting the hearts and minds of people the world over, influencing them. That is really starting to permeate the planet. Like if you put a little bit of leavening into a loaf, pretty soon it's all leavened. You can just do the tiniest little bit. And it goes throughout this idea of leavening, or diffusion, if you want to call it that, but the turnover is happening and because of that, we are going to see a lot of unrest in Western Europe, the West.

[A]

Well, yeah, we're already seeing it. There was a. An effort to commit a terror attack at a Christmas market in Germany. That was just foiled. The Christmas markets there in Germany and in other northern European nations, they've had to install new security measures that they've not had to have in the past because you get a bunch of people going to these markets, you've got big crowds and then suddenly somebody driving a car, truck just plows through. And that's happened a couple of times now. France. So it's. You're right, we're seeing it. It happened.

[B]

Yeah. We need to pray for all of the people of the world because

[A]

the

[B]

Lord has no desire for a person to choose to use the free will we're given to choose badly.

[A]

Right.

[B]

The Lord wants everyone to choose wisely. He doesn't want to see Mohammedism take over the earth.

[A]

Right. But he is not going to take away our free will.

[B]

No. And nor is he going to take away, so far, take away the opportunity for us to share the gospel. The day is coming in the last days during the tribulation period, where finally he says, okay, angels, you go do it.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. One of the things I would change in Bad Moon Rising is the identity of Allah. I argued in that book that Allah was sort of a Wizard of Oz, like Simulacrum. Don't pay any attention to the God behind the curtain that the old gods of Mesopotamia, you know, BAAL and Astarte and, you know, whatever BAAL who Jesus identified as Satan, that Satan and his minions, other fallen angels, were caught by surprise when Jesus was resurrected and they had to come up with a plan B. I would suggest now that they are all in service to Allah and that Allah is in fact Shemiyaza. In the abyss. And just like his Mesopotamian identity, Elil, whose name means God of gods, ILU elu Alah means the God. He is likewise a God of death, a God of destruction, a God of sending people, convincing people that they want to die and take as many kuffar or kafir with them as possible. That is not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Allah is not Yahweh.

[B]

No.

[A]

Muhammad thought they were the same, but was so angry when he was rejected by the Jewish tribes who lived in his area when they rejected him and said, no, you are not the final prophet, that he then began to wage war on them. That was when he received his epiphany that the way to spread his religion was at the point of a scimitar. And that's when suddenly his number, his following went from his extended family, about120,150 people, to conquering all of the Arabian Peninsula.

[B]

Well, I'm looking at the clock because

[A]

we're probably, we are running away.

[B]

We need to quickly update with the old people report and I got to

[A]

tell you about the upcoming event.

[B]

Okay, I will give you mine really quickly. My eyes, I have been diagn with possible Sjogren's and I'll find that out about that in February, which affects your meibomian glands. Your eyes also have been definitely diagnosed with ocular rosacea, which is the proliferation of extra little bitty tiny fragile capillaries in my sclera. So that's causing some issues. The rosacea in your eyes also attacks your meibomian glands. And I am on a very low dose of doxycycline for three months and then I go back and get checked to see if that has helped to make it go away. By then I will have seen the rheumatologist. So I will know more by then.

[A]

You know, every time you mention the name of that drug, I have a mental image of a dachshund riding a cycle bicycle.

[B]

That's exactly what it is. Yeah. Little dachshund in my eyes.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Docs of my eyes. Jackson Brown, the great song I know I am.

[B]

You're still. I think your. Your symptoms continue to progress a little bit.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Every couple of weeks you're starting to notice it in your hands more.

[A]

Really noticed it when we were in Israel. But I went back and I was looking at examples of my handwriting over the past

[B]

year.

[A]

Four months. Yeah. Well, especially the last four months. And I began to notice my changing change in my handwriting around September. But I noticed while we were in Israel, it really became noticeable where I was really having trouble with buttons and snaps and things. So that's really when it began to progress.

[B]

So we've done away with buttons and snaps.

[A]

Yeah. So if you watched Skywatch TV of recent episodes, or 5 and 10, you'll notice I'm wearing a lot of T shirts because there's no buttons. And now we're starting to. Starting to, you know, order me some old man pants. You know, the kind with just elastic

[B]

on the waistband, Even some jeans.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. So that's pretty, that's pretty great. You know, just put a belt on, nobody ever notices. I can, I can still work the belt and then just.

[B]

There you go.

[A]

I don't have to worry about snaps and zippers. And that's really helpful. I am going to my doctor's suggesting a process called intravenous immunoglobulin, which he. And in fact my primary care physician who's got a nurse practitioner on staff who worked with a neurologist previously, they had recommended, you know, six months ago that I start doing the ivig.

[B]

It's awfully expensive.

[A]

It's hideously expensive. But. And you know, Obamacare priced us out of that market years ago.

[B]

Yeah, but if it worked, I wouldn't care. We mortgage the house.

[A]

The thing with IVIG is that in some cases, about a third of the cases, it will send the cidp, which is the condition that describes the body's immune system attacking nerves in the extremities, feet and hands. It will send it into remission. The other 70% provides temporary relief. So you get relief for like three, four weeks. Then you got to go back and do it again. And it takes like three or four days out of a week to do it. So you lose a week of work every month, basically. But again, if it's the best way forward, we'll, we'll do that. I'm going to ask my doctor though, this week if we can try the other alternative, which is far cheaper but has long term side effects and that is steroids.

[B]

Yeah, you can try for a short term and see. Yeah.

[A]

At the very least, we do it for the next year. And then I get on Medicare and then Bob Schoen.

[B]

Sweet.

[A]

We'll see. So that's, that's where we are. You know what's interesting, though, is looking back over this year, I had noticed back in the spring, not only was I losing weight and getting weaker to the point where getting into the house from the garage, which is like four steps, was really a Challenge. I was having trouble enunciating. It was becoming more difficult for me to enunciate, which for somebody who's made his living talking since the age of 18, was very distressing. I mean, we're talking 45 years. I've earned my living basically by talking sales, radio broadcasting, and now doing what we do. That was reversed with the protocol that my primary care physician put me on, which included testosterone, mainly because it regrows the myelin around the nerves, but it may have helped reverse or at least slow the progression of the nerve. And, you know, who knows? Maybe I was losing jaw muscles.

[B]

Well, that's possible. I think ultimately the Lord is. You are in his hands, and he is retarding, slowing what's happening. Because everything we've read about this is that it should have progressed much more quickly than it has with you. The Lord has held it back. The Lord has His hand upon you for a reason, and he's allowing this season for a reason. And we have all of you wonderful people out there praying for both of us. And you prayed for grace and glory, too, and they found that amazing home. And. And it's because of your prayers, because the Lord answered those prayers. So we just want you to know that we. We really appreciate your prayers, your support financially, your support prayerfully. But the notes that you send us when you talk to each other and you form a community on the app, that means the world to us because we see the Lord at work in all of your lives. We also know that you guys are dealing with a lot, too. So especially at this time of the year, if you are alone at home, if you are in any situation where you are financially stressed, you're environmentally stressed, if you are stressed because of things going on in your family, if, for whatever reason, you're feeling depressed, because I've been there. I've had moments like that. I know you have to, Derek. And it's. A lot of the prophets got depressed. I mean, come on. Look at the way the Lord was working in their lives, and they got depressed. So you are not alone. I try to teach this again and again and again in the Red Wing saga. We are never alone. We'll feel alone because we don't see human beings having a pet can give you that tangent, that. That touchable presence of someone else. But the Lord, whether you feel him or sense him or whatever, he is there. I promise you, he is there. Yeah, I know that many of us, you know, when we quote where two or more are gathered together, there am I in the midst of them, you. Yeah. But he's there with you even when you're all alone.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He is always with us. He promised he would never ever forsake us.

[A]

Yeah. We're so limited by our natural senses, probably for good reason.

[B]

We'd be freaked out if we could see what's around us. Yeah.

[A]

And again, the enemy tries to use that as a way to deceive, which is why God was very clear to Moses. Do not consult the mediums and the necromancers and the wizards, sorcerers. And the apostle John wrote that we are to test every spirit because not all are from God. And that is, in fact, segue. One of the reasons that Eliana Marzulli.

[B]

Ah, nicely done.

[A]

Is hosting, presenting a virtual conference in January, just a month from now that I am honored to be a part of. This is the great UFO Deception Summit. And he will be presenting along with me, Gary Stearman, Timothy Albarino, Mondo Gonzalez. Another good one, Alan Didio.

[B]

Oh, yes.

[A]

Josh Peck, Vicki Joy Anderson.

[B]

All star lineup.

[A]

Karen Wilkinson and Larry Ragland.

[B]

It is an all star lineup.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, you know, none of us would. Would consider ourselves.

[B]

I know.

[A]

But as far as the solid researchers.

[B]

Solid researchers, Good content, right? Great. Yeah.

[A]

And this is in response because la, who's been tracking this for years, in fact, the very first conference I attended where I was the. I guess you'd call master of ceremonies, but it's more like servant of ceremonies. The supernatural. No, no, no, no. This was the End of days conference in 2010, so 15 years ago.

[B]

Oh, yes.

[A]

Tom Dunn and Russ Istar put this on. It was in Nashville and LA presented on the Alien Gospel, the ET Gospel. And that was the first time I heard, of course, Joe Jordan was at that present at that conference as well, I think. Oh, from Roswell. Guy Malone, I think he was there as well. So anyway, so this is something that L. A has been talking about for quite some time, but this year things have really ramped up. There was the House Oversight Committee subcommittee back in September where our local congressman, Representative Eric Burleson, presented video of a missile fired by a US fighter jet that struck in a uap. We don't know what that was. That's why it's a U. UNIDENTIFIED and then in November, just last month, the documentary film Age of Disclosure was released. Half a dozen people, ex military, government officials, congressmen, scientists, physicists, physicist, stating that we are not alone in the universe. So this is a Christian response to this. We are being programmed. And that'll be essentially the thrust of my talk, we've been programmed to accept this great delusion, this strong delusion going back 150 years, really longer than that. But really, that's when it really ramped up with Helena Blavatsky and then Aleister Crowley and so on. So anyway, if you want information on that, go to eliminarzulli.net it's only 20 bucks.

[B]

Oh, good grief.

[A]

Yeah, 20 bucks. And they're going to stream the videos live. So it's not like On Demand. So it'll be Friday night beginning at 7pm Central Time, Friday, January 16th, and then all day Saturday, January 17th. But we're pre recording all of our presentations so that they don't have problems with. Yeah, yeah, somebody sitting on one, you know, zoom call and waiting for another zoom Call and.

[B]

Yeah, will these be available for On Demand later?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I don't know. But if you want to get a group to watch this all at once, they're offering group discounts. So if you want to bring a church group together on a Saturday, get 20, 40, 50 people together, they will, you know, cut your deal. It's not going to be $20 per person, but even, you know, just again, if you just your family. 20 bucks to stream it on your TV through a mobile device. Most smart TVs will allow you to cast the video from a, like a tablet or a laptop. Trying to think of the word. It's sitting right here to your big screen.

[B]

Phones are just. They're overrated.

[A]

But anyway, this is, I think, a very important and very timely virtual conference. And again, lamarzulli.net if you want to be. If you want to take part.

[B]

Well, we should probably pray.

[A]

Yep. Father, thank you for. Again, thank you for your word and thank you for inspiring the prophet Isaiah to write as he did. There is so much depth in the writings of Isaiah. We just pray that as we go through this over the next few months that you will grant us the wisdom to fully understand what Isaiah was trying to communicate to the rest of us. Lord, we pray for the families of those who've been impacted today by this horrific Hanukkah attack in Australia. Lord, we know that these skirmishes are just reflections of the supernatural struggle in the unseen realm. And we know that this world will not see true peace until you return. But may you bring comfort and healing to those who have lost family members today. May you restore to full health those who've been wounded. May your glory be made manifest through the first responders. And Lord, may they come to know you as we know you, Lord, not that we are perfect, but that we understand that you have made yourself manifest in this world as Father, as Son and as Holy Spirit. Lord, we know the world needs Jesus, but may we be, as Peter said, always ready. Present the hope that we have in Christ, but with gentleness and respect, rather than approaching with anger. Using the Bible as a. As a club, Lord, may we gently share with those who have not yet accepted Christ the hope that we have in you. Lord, you are the only balm that will heal the wounds of this world. As Isaiah wrote, we are as an injured man whose wounds are not being treated, they are festering. So we pray, Father, for your soon return. But until that day, Lord, may we be granted the words to say and the proper way to say them. Lord, that we would reflect the love you have shown us to the world around us, even those who have vocally and stridently refused to accept yout free gift of salvation. Lord, may we just by contrast, show youw love, Father, as we enter this this season where we can speak the name of Jesus in the public square without being banned, without being deplatformed. Lord, again, may we show the world what your love looks like. We thank you for your mercy. We pray, Father, for wisdom, for discernment, and again for your love to shine through us. And we ask this in Jesus name. Amen.

[B]

Amen.

[A]

Tonight, view from the bunker iron and myth number 46. I thought it was 45. 46 already. Yeah. We're coming up on four years of doing these roundtable discussions with Dr. Jud Burton, Doug Van Dorn and Brian Godela. Tonight we talk about the Sibylline oracles. Why would we discuss the Sibylline oracles? Because many of them were written and amended during the Christian era by Christians using this format of a so called oracle proclaiming the coming of Christ and his love to the world. Now, some of them were written by Jews, so that reflects more of an Old Testament theology, but it is not pagan, interestingly. And as we discussed during the, during the, during the program, we talk about how the Sibyls, which were consulted by, you know, regular people all the way up to the Roman emperors, began to fall silent in the second century ad.

[B]

But you're not teaching that the Sibylline oracles were scripture.

[A]

No, absolutely not. But they were used by Christians in the same way Paul would use pagan writings to illustrate a point. And. Yeah, so some interesting stuff. I didn't know that. I did. I didn't think that we would get as much time out of it. We did a full hour on the program, and, you know, we got more meat out of those, those oracles than I thought we were going to get. So very interesting stuff. So that'll be available as of 7pm Central Time tonight at vftb.net or on our YouTube channel, which is YouTube.comilberthouse where we ask you to subscribe, share, click the bell for notifications and hit the like button. So until then, I'm Derek Gilbert.

[B]

I'm Sharon Gilbert. We love you guys. Bye. Bye, everybody.

[A]

Thank you for joining us. We post a new Bible study each Sunday morning, subscribe to the podcast and explore the archives [e-mail].

[B]

Sam.