Juvenile Jury - Wants To Change Birthday

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Harold’s Old Time Radio

Episode: Juvenile Jury – Wants To Change Birthday
Host: Jack Barry
Date: May 23, 2026
Theme:
A delightful episode of the classic radio show "Juvenile Jury," bringing together a panel of children aged 5–11 to tackle real questions sent in by listeners. Each query, from birthday woes to sibling sleep arrangements, is considered with honest, humorous, and often surprisingly sage child logic.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Changing Your Birthday to Avoid Income Tax Day (02:00 – 05:25)

• Listener's Problem: An 11-year-old girl from Florida wants to move her birthday from March 15 (tax season) to March 22 so her father will be in a better mood, and her birthday presents will improve.
• Panel’s Reactions:
  • Charlie Hamilton: "Nobody can change their birthday. But there's something else she can do—ask the government to change income tax day." (02:38)
  • Jack Barry: "Wait a while, Charles... The government say can't do that." (02:43)
  • John Arthur McBride III: Offers a perplexing reasoning about how changing birthdays could affect age and birthday order among friends. (02:58–03:44)
  • Peggy Brewer: Wonders, "If she changes her birthday, how old will it make her?" Barry quips she’d be a week younger; the kids run with the idea that, “if she keeps going at this rate, by the time she gets to be 20, she'll only be 15!” (04:01–04:13)
  • Elizabeth Watson: Says her own August birthday is perfectly timed—"All there is playing hard song to make a good birthday. So my birthday is the right way." (04:20)
  • Charlie Hamilton: Suggests moving the birthday to "a week before Christmas when everyone's in a giving mood." (04:41)
  • Moral: The kids point out humorous and practical issues, and the host advises planning birthday celebrations in advance, regardless of tax season.

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2. Embarrassment at Dancing School Attire (05:25 – 09:38)

• Listener's Problem: An 8-year-old boy must wear "shiny black shoes with bows" and velvet pants to dancing lessons—there’s no place to change at school, and he fears teasing.
• Panel’s Responses:
  • McBride III, Charlie, et al.: Try to determine if the clothes look ‘boyish’ and discuss that maybe the mother likes them.
  • Peggy: Advises, "Well, there's nothing wrong with being a dancer. Ask Rita Hayworth." (08:16)
  • Charlie Hamilton: "Cowboys aren't sissies, and they wear high heels." (08:08)
  • Peggy Brewer: Recalls being teased for her own dance classes but didn't mind. "I still took dancing." (08:52)
  • Charlie: Suggests untying the bows so, "everybody will think that he's a goddess," to which host Barry replies it would just look sloppy. (09:04)
  • Dickie: Tells a story: "Once I wore velvet pants and shiny black shoes in my neighborhood. And you know what happened?... Shiny black eyes." (09:27)
  • Jack Barry’s Advice: Go to and from class with other boys in similar attire so it’s not so unusual.
• Memorable Exchange: The girls highlight the importance of not minding others' opinions and finding pride in taking dance.

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3. Dog Breed Guessing Game (10:30 – 12:16)

• Featured Segment: The panel tries to identify the breed of a "live purebred dog" brought on stage each week.
• Clues Given: Small size, long ears, silky red and white fur.
• Correct Guess: Peggy identifies it as an "English toy spaniel, the Blenheim type." (11:47)
• Origin Story: Host explains the breed likely has roots in China and Spain, arriving in England later.
• Fun Banter:
  • John Arthur: Mistakes the dog for a collie, humorously rationalizing that "all dogs are small when they're babies." (11:06)
  • Discussion: The children connect historical and cross-cultural dots, showing their curiosity.

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4. Sibling Sleep Disputes (14:16 – 19:21)

• Listener’s Problem: 4½-year-old Joyce asks: "Every night when I go to sleep, my brother cries. Should he sleep in my bed or not?"
• Panel’s Responses:
  • Peggy: Asks why the little brother wants to share the bed; learns he doesn’t like his crib.
  • Dickie: Jokes, "If they both got in your bed, you'd feel like a sandwich." (15:38)
  • Elizabeth: Asks Joyce about her brother’s age; he’s two.
  • Johnny: Suggests, "The little brother should learn to sleep in his own bed. Because that's what I have to try to do now, too." (17:40)
  • Charlie: Warns about "bags under your eyes" from loss of sleep and looking like "an old hag." (18:35)
  • Dickie: With classic kid logic: "Your mother might get all mixed up and stick the bottle in your mouth instead of him!" (19:04)
  • Collective Advice: Encourages little brother to get used to his own bed, but perhaps start the night together.
• Host’s Summary: Let the younger sibling stay a while then move him back; a compromise.

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5. The Picket Fence Dilemma (19:21 – 22:38)

• Listener’s Problem: Neighbor kids climb a garden fence, get stuck, and don't use the gate—damaging the fence.
• Panel’s Reactions:
  • Charlie: "It's a good thing they don't try to squeeze through the fence or else the lady will have to have their head shrunk!" (20:09)
  • John Arthur: Suggests adding things "like pinchers" to the gate so no one can climb over. (20:24)
  • Peggy: "Let the fence collapse because you'll just get exhausted picking them all up." (22:15)
  • Charlie: Proposes, not-so-seriously, to "put cactus on the fence." (22:06)
  • Dickie: Wonders, "Don't they tear their pants on the fence?"
  • Host Comment: Suggests explaining safety to the kids so they use the gate.
• Memorable Quote: "She should tell the children that if they want to visit her, they'll just have to climb over the fence and you just wait and see—they’ll insist on going through the gate." (21:24)

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6. Afraid to Recite in School (24:33 – 27:27)

• Listener’s Problem: 6-year-old Joseph is always asked to recite something in school plays, but wants to "save his voice" for when his father asks questions.
• Panel’s Responses:
  • Peggy: "Why do you want to save your voice?" Joseph: "Because when my father asks me questions, I won't be able to answer him back." (25:14)
  • Elizabeth: Shares her whole class’s experience—everyone recited and "we still have voices." (26:03)
  • Dickie: "Why don't you go ahead and recite and lose your voice, then you won't have any more problems." (26:24)
  • Johnny: "I think he should do what the teacher said. Because my teacher already lost a voice from yelling already." (26:39)
  • Peggy: "When you get a little older, your voice is going to change anyway. So why should you save it? You might as well use it all up now." (26:52)
  • Charlie: Advises patience—people will eventually leave you alone.
  • Host’s Encouragement: "You do it so well, Joe. You keep right on doing it because you're doing a swell job." (27:27)
• Memorable Poem Performance: Joseph recites "Choosing Your Nest. If you were a baby birthing and could choose your kind of nest, which do you think would be nicest? Which kind would suit you best?" (25:36)

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7. Juvenile Jury Art Contest Winners (27:27 – 29:26)

• Celebration: Five top winners and 200 runners-up are announced in the nationwide Juvenile Jury art contest.
• Notable Judges: John Groth, Ralph Ellsworth, and Norman Rockwell.
• Host’s Reflection: "These children make us feel ever so confident of our country's future. For only with creative people can a country progress and grow." (28:55)
• Prizes: Art outfits for winners; art supplies for their schools as well.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On shifting birthdays: "If she keeps going at this rate, by the time she gets to be 20, she'll only be 15." – Charlie Hamilton (04:07)
• On dance school attire: "Cowboys aren't sissies and they wear high heels." – Charlie Hamilton (08:08)
• Sibling logic: "If they both got in your bed, you'd feel like a sandwich." – Dickie (15:38)
• Safety through humor: "It's a good thing they don't try to squeeze through the fence, or else the lady will have to have their head shrunk!" – Charlie (20:09)
• There’s always a moral: "It ain't the gift that counts, it's the thought. But I always say you can keep the thoughts. Just give me the gift." – Dickie (05:13)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Changing Birthday Discussion – 02:00–05:25
• Dancing School Embarrassment – 05:25–09:38
• Dog Breed Guessing – 10:30–12:16
• Sibling Bedtime Woes – 14:16–19:21
• Picket Fence Problem – 19:21–22:38
• Reciting in School – 24:33–27:27
• Art Contest Winners Announced – 27:27–29:26

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Tone & Style

The episode remains true to its late-1940s charm: light-hearted, friendly, playful, and sometimes hilariously tangential thanks to the whimsical minds of its child panelists. Jack Barry’s role as a gentle moderator allows the kids’ personalities and perspectives to shine. The segment transitions are smooth, and every moral or bit of advice is delivered with warmth and a sense of fun.

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Recommended for:
Those nostalgic for classic family radio, fans of unscripted children’s perspectives, or anyone in need of clever, laugh-out-loud solutions to life’s little problems.

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Transcript

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[Jack Barry]

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[John Scott]

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[Jack Barry]

Thank you very much and hello again, everyone. Waiting to prove that children should be heard as well as seen are five average alert youngsters. Their ages ranging from five to 11. Reading from left to right, meet eight

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

and a half Elizabeth Watson, age six and a half. Charlie Hamilton, age eight. Peggy Brewer, age 11. Come on, from McBride III, age five.

[Jack Barry]

Thank you very much, kids. Now we'll dip into our mailbag for the first question. As you know, for each question put before the jury, the sender receives a modern and efficient Underwood universal portable typewriter with a smartly appointed carrying case. The Underwood will make your writing easier and speed your homework. Our first letter came to us from Jacksonville, Florida from a Ms. A.C. she'll receive a smart looking portable typewriter. 11 year old Ms. A.C. writes, My birthday is on March 15th and the trouble is that my father is in a bad humor because of income tax and I never get to have a birthday party. The presents I get aren't so good either because my father says the family has to save money somewhere. I want to change my birthday to one week later, March 22, because by then daddy will be feeling better and he won't be upset anymore. It's too late now, but I want to get ready for next year. What do you think about this Charlie,

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

nobody can change their birthday. But there's something else she can do.

[Jack Barry]

Something else. What?

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Ask the government to change income tax day.

[Jack Barry]

Wait a while, Charles. Wait a while. The government say can't do that.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Make it. What do you mean? The government won't like that because they'll get their money earlier.

[Jack Barry]

Oh, quite true. That may be a good suggestion at that. John Arthur McBride III.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

You know what? He shouldn't change his birthday. You know why? Because if he gets a new birthday, I guess that birthday and he had might have been ahead of the other one. And now if he had that damn birthday and he wanted maybe when he had the one, when your other boys had their birthday, maybe his would have been first.

[Jack Barry]

You know, I've been sitting here trying to figure out what you've been saying, and I'm about three sentences behind you. What did you say?

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

I said if he change his birthday.

[Jack Barry]

Thank you very much, Dickie. You're all Adam.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Well, if she changes her birthday, how old will it make her?

[Jack Barry]

Well, she'll be about a week younger, I guess.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

A week younger?

[Jack Barry]

Sure.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

That girl ain't so dumb

[Jack Barry]

if she

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

keeps going at this rate, by the time she gets to be 20, she'll only be 15.

[Jack Barry]

You're right. She was number all. And there is Elizabeth Watson.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

My birthday did a good time because then income tax day is gone. Everything's gone. All there is playing hard song to make a good birthday. So my birthday is the right way.

[Jack Barry]

When is your birthday?

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

August 27th.

[Jack Barry]

Oh, that's a good case. I don't see you happy birthday at the wrong time.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Well, if she's going to change her birthday, then why doesn't she change it for a week before Christmas when everyone's in a giving mood?

[Jack Barry]

A very, very good suggestion, Charlie.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Well, if the father's trying to save money by not buying his little girl a present. Yeah, but look at all the money and taxes he would have to pay every man the bachelor.

[Jack Barry]

Unfortunately, Charlie, I know what you mean. Vicki, you're a lamb.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

It ain't the gift that counts.

[Jack Barry]

What's that?

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

It ain't the gift that counts, it's the thought. But I always say you can keep the thoughts. Just give me the gift.

[Jack Barry]

Well, the thought, of course, is very important. But perhaps plans can be made for the celebration of this girl's birthday well in advance so that any business or outside difficulties which may arise won't interfere with her birthday party each year. Incidentally, at the end of today's program, I'm going to announce the winners of The Juvenile Jury art contest. So all you kids and parents who had the kids send in some of those wonderful drawings and paintings, keep on listening. That'll be at the end of the show. Here's a letter from Akron, Ohio sent by a Master PH who will receive an Underwood Universal portable typewriter for putting this problem before you kids. In his letter, 8 year old Master PH writes that my mother wants me to go to a dancing school. But when I go to school I gotta wear shiny black shoes with bows on them and those velvet pants. There's no place to change in this school so I have to have these clothes on me when I go for my lessons. I know that the boys will all tease me and say I'm a sissy when they see me wearing those shoes and velvet pants. And they'll find out I go to dancing school and it's going to be very embarrassing. What should I do about this? John Arthur McBride III.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Well, what kind of pants are they?

[Jack Barry]

Velvet pants.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Well, are they boys pants? Do they look like boys pants?

[Jack Barry]

Yeah, but they look like boys pants. But they're velvet.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Well, why did her anyway? Why she. The boy. The father. Maybe her mother thinks that they look nice on her. But maybe the boy.

[Jack Barry]

It's a boy. What's this? Her? It's a boy. An 8 year old boy that wears the pants.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Well, why don't the boy? The boys are. She'll make fun of them either. Because maybe his mother thinks that they're nice of them. Maybe the mother thinks that it's nice and maybe the mother thinks that he can wear that.

[Jack Barry]

Are you finished?

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Yes, thank you.

[Jack Barry]

To Dick Dior for that.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Well, why don't he take his dancing clothes along in a suitcase and change there in the bathroom. They have a bathroom there, don't they?

[Jack Barry]

I don't know. Oh, wait a while. It says there's no place to change in the school, so I guess there is none.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

No bathroom.

[John Scott]

I don't know.

[Jack Barry]

Why, what's that?

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Boy, that kid has a bigger problem than he thinks he has.

[Jack Barry]

Well, maybe he'll run downstairs to the corner delicatessen. Charlie, I.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Well, sissy. He shouldn't think he's a sissy because he wears those velvet pants and bows on his shoes. Look at cowboys. They're not sissies. And they wear high heels.

[Jack Barry]

That's right. Very good thinking, Charlie. Peggy Brewer.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Well, there's nothing wrong with being a dancer. Ask Rita Hayward.

[Jack Barry]

Yes, well, I don't think I can ask her, but Allie can. Um. Charlie. Charlie Hakisson.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Well. Well, in a Minute.

[Jack Barry]

Yeah, go ahead, Johnny. What are you looking at? John Arthur McBride III. The what?

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

The lights.

[Jack Barry]

Do you like the lights here?

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Yeah.

[Jack Barry]

Why?

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Because I like the colors of them.

[Jack Barry]

You want to take them home?

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Yeah.

[Jack Barry]

Fine. After the show, we'll take all the lights down to the stage here. You can take them home? Yes. Peggy Elizabeth Watson.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

They used to make fun of me because of the kind of dancing I took, but I didn't mind it. I still took dancing.

[Jack Barry]

Ms. Darrell, you didn't mind, huh? Neither did my friend Little Mo. She's a wonderful dancer. Yes, Charlie.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Well, if it's the bows he's worried about, why doesn't he just untie them and let him drag? Then everybody will think that he's a goddess.

[Jack Barry]

That might get to look a little bit sloppy, Nikki.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Well, once I wore velvet pants and shiny black shoes in my neighborhood. And you know what happened?

[John Scott]

No.

[Jack Barry]

What happened?

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Shiny black eyes.

[Jack Barry]

So don't ever do it again, Becky.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Well, boys don't need dancing schools. They just have to be sure that they're strong enough to hold girls up.

[Jack Barry]

You're very right. Well, perhaps they could arrange to go back and forth in dancing school with some of the other boys who go there. And then this boy's friends would see that the clothes go with what he's doing, and they won't make fun of him at all.

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[Jack Barry]

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[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

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[Jack Barry]

Now here's our popular Featured Games Dog Guest of the week. Each week we bring a live purebred dog on stage for the juvenile jury to identify. And here he comes now.

[John Scott]

This is John Scott speaking off stage. The jurors can't hear me, but our dog guest today is an English toy spaniel.

[Jack Barry]

Now back to Jack Barry. Well, kids, I don't know if you ever saw a dog like this before. Look at that pug nose.

[John Scott]

It's almost like A bulldog.

[Jack Barry]

Bet you could hide a marble in the stop between his eyes and nose. He's a little fellow though. Stands about 12 inches at the shoulders. Weighs about 10 pounds. His ears hang down very long and his coat is long, silky soft. And he's red with a white chest. Anybody want to guess what breed of dog he is? John Arthur McBride.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

I think it's a collie.

[Jack Barry]

Pretty small collie, wouldn't he?

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Yeah, I know. It's the same. Some collies are small when they're babies, but you know when they're babies. All those are small when they're babies.

[Jack Barry]

Yeah. Did you ever see a baby elephant?

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Yeah, I saw a lot of them in the circus.

[Jack Barry]

Uh huh. Okay, Charlie, what kind of. What breed of dog do you think this is?

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Maybe a Pekinge?

[Jack Barry]

Nope.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Elizabeth, Let me think.

[Jack Barry]

Sure, Dickie.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

I need to spit.

[Jack Barry]

You do. I hope to take your handkerchief out. We'll call on our dog expert, Peggy Bruder. What kind of dog do you think it is?

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

I think it's an English toy spaniel. The Blenheim type.

[Jack Barry]

I don't know about Blenheim type, but it certainly is an English toy spaniel and his name is Jerry. You're right. Anybody? Anybody? We missed you last week, Peggy. Anybody have any idea where these dogs originated? And I don't mean England. I don't mean England. Elizabeth?

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

France?

[Jack Barry]

Nope. Peggy?

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Well, I'll say Scotland, because Mary of Scotland had them. And in fact they stayed at her scaffold when she was killed.

[Jack Barry]

Well, no, you're on the right track. But according to the toy spinning in America, they probably came from China in very ancient times. But they may have originated in Spain and been taken to the Orient because some very early breed dogs of this breed were given to King J. Go ahead, Peggy.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Well, Captain Sarahs took them across to the. They were a gift of. Of Japan from the Emperor of Japan to, I think, to China.

[Jack Barry]

No, it was King James the first of England that they gave you a gift to. But Mary Queen of Scots, as you said before, had one of these dogs almost a century earlier which she had brought with her from France. It was believed, however, if the original ancestors of this breed did come from China, that they've been crossed with cockers and springers and reduced to their present size by selective breeding. But even though we don't know exactly what blood flows in their veins, we do know they make wonderful pets and companions. After all, that's the important thing.

[John Scott]

Well, Jack, isn't that true also of the food we feed our dogs? What the Food will do for them is more important than what's in the food.

[Jack Barry]

More important? Yes, we like to know both.

[John Scott]

Well, in that case, I'll tell the folks what's in Gaines dog food that enables it to nourish every inch of a dog. Every five pound package of Gaines contains as much protean as in seven and a half pounds of fresh beef, as much carbohydrate as in two and a half gallons of cooked oatmeal. And the fats that would be provided by six and a quarter ounces of pure creamery butter. That and all the minerals and vitamins a dog is known to need.

[Jack Barry]

I have a line here, Scotty. I'm not going to forget it like I did last week. You might also mention why games contains these particular food elements.

[John Scott]

Yes, I might. You see, it's because the people who make games have spent an awful lot of money and time finding out just what a dog requires for good health. They've not only had 19 years of experience in making dog food, but they maintain research kennels where hundreds of purebred dogs have been fed games regularly. And that's also why every 5 pound package of gains provides nourishment equal to 151 pound cans of canned dog food, yet costs less than half as much to feed. So, folks, let your dog speak. Speak for Gaines. It's America's largest selling dog food.

[Jack Barry]

Thanks, Scotty. And thanks to our games dog guest of the week. Take a bow, Jerry. Once again, our regular feature on Juvenile Jury. Well, we invite our younger listeners to present their problems in person. This week we have with us four and a half year old Joyce Donheiser of New York City. And Joyce is wearing a great big flower. Joyce, tell us what your problem is. What's your problem, Joyce?

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Every night when I go to sleep, my brother cries. And should he sleep in my bed or no? Now, my problem is should he sleep in my bed or not?

[Jack Barry]

You know, I think you need a bed right now. You look pretty tired. So your problem is whether or not your brother should sleep in your bed. Well, kid, you got some questions? Peggy?

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Well, does he want to sleep in your bed? Yes. But why does he want to?

[Jack Barry]

Why does he want to sleep in your bed, Joyce?

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Cause, I don't know.

[Jack Barry]

He just likes to. Huh? Well, I think he probably needs a nice comfortable bed.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Yes, Peggy, but where is he supposed to sleep? Where's he supposed to sleep? In his crib.

[Jack Barry]

Oh, that's it. He doesn't like to sleep in his crib. That explains why not well, you know, a crib's uncomfortable, probably. Peggy.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Dickie, you have any other brothers? Only one. Well, you're lucky that he's not twins. Otherwise, if they both got in your bed, you'd feel like a sandwich.

[Jack Barry]

And if I were between them, it would be a ham sandwich. Yeah.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Elizabeth, how old is your brother? Two years old.

[Jack Barry]

Tell me, what do you want to be when you get older? Joyce.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

What?

[Jack Barry]

What do you want to be when you get older, when you grow up?

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

I want to be a dancer.

[Jack Barry]

A dancer? Oh. And what did your daddy do?

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

He works in the hospital.

[Jack Barry]

In the what?

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

In the hospital.

[Jack Barry]

Oh, yeah. I know a sturgeon that works there, too. Megan, you have some more questions?

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Well, if your brother would sleep in your bed, then where would you sleep? I had a bright, big bed. Oh, great bed. Oh, you mean sleep together? Yeah.

[Jack Barry]

Johnny, did you have an important question to ask? I'm sure.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Well, why does humble brother want to go in the bed for no reason?

[Jack Barry]

No.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Can't go on the bed for no reason. My mother, she tries to make me stay on my own bed.

[Jack Barry]

For no reason?

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Yeah, for no reason. So I want to sleep in her bed, and she won't let me.

[Jack Barry]

Why do you want to sleep in her bed for no reason?

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Because it's more wider, and I like to spread my feet, and my bed is wider. Now,

[Jack Barry]

Peggy.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Well, you said that your brother cries. Why does he cry? Cause he wants.

[Jack Barry]

Well, kids, let's take a run down here. This little fella wants to sleep in her bed, and she wants to find out whether you think he should or not. You think so, Johnny?

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

I think the little brother should learn to sleep in his own bed. Because that's what I have to try to do now, too.

[Jack Barry]

Yeah. And for no reason she tried to force me.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Now, when she has the role, that she has to see a problem. Now, I know that she's going to force me.

[Jack Barry]

I can see now why you got that wonderful telegram from Mayor John Kenney over in Jersey City congratulating you on your work here on the program. For all these wonderful answers you get for no reason, Johnny. Peggy.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Well, your mother should get your brother a big bed just like your own, and then not only will he have a night's sleep, but the rest of your family will get a night's sleep.

[Jack Barry]

Say, tell me, Joyce, are you interested here? Joyce is way out in the audience. I think Charlie Hankinson's got a good answer for you. You listen to him, Joy. Do you think that her brother should sleep in the bed? Or not, Charlie?

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Well, you know. You know, when you. You know. You know, when your brother sleeps, goes into bed, then at night, you know, you lose a lot of sleep. And, you know, before you know it, you'll get bags under your eyes and you look like an old hag.

[Jack Barry]

Well, maybe she could replace Fred Allen for next year. He's got a few bags himself.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Elizabeth, I think he should let him sleep in his daddy bed.

[Jack Barry]

All right. What do you think, Dickie?

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Well, you see. Well, I don't think that he should sleep in your bed either, because it's too crowded. Because your mother might get all mixed up and stick the bottle in your mouth instead of him. She might change you instead of changing him.

[Jack Barry]

The whole thing might be very confusing. So if you do have enough room to be comfortable and you want to do it, Joyce, perhaps you could let your little brother stay with you for a little while until he gets sleepy, and then your mother could move him back to his own bed. Thank you so much for being with us. Joyce Sonheisen. Mrs. M.M. of Washington, D.C. will receive an Underwood portable typewriter for this problem. Kids. Mrs. MM's letter reads as follows. She says, my backyard garden has a picket fence around it. And whenever my neighbor's children come to. Children come to play in the garden. They climb over the fence, but they get stuck on it and start yelling for me to come and rescue them. I told them that they must come in through the gate, otherwise they're not to come in at all. Well, they still climb the fence, but now when they get stuck, they don't call for me. They just sit there, and my fence is about ready to collapse. What should I do about this, Charlie?

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

It's a good thing they don't try to squeeze through the fence, or else the lady will have to have their head strung.

[Jack Barry]

Their heads shrunk.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Yeah.

[Jack Barry]

You sound like you've been studying an African tribe or something. John Arthur McBride III.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

The mother just should put a gate up and have those things on it, you know, and has those pinch things, like, you know, pinch it, like, you know, we have a gate like that, and nobody could climb over it because it has those things.

[Jack Barry]

What things?

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

No, like, you know.

[Jack Barry]

Does anybody here know what things? Go ahead, Johnny. Everybody knows.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Well, you know, they're crisscross, you know, just like the car wheels are. And, you know, they're little things that hang up on the gate.

[Jack Barry]

They are?

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Yeah. We have one of them. And, you know, nobody climbs over our fence. You know why? Because. Because if you get stuck in one of them things. Boy.

[Jack Barry]

Thank you. Red Skelton thingies.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Well, she should tell the children that if they want to come and visit her, they'll just have to climb over the fence and you just wait and see. They'll insist on going through the gate.

[Jack Barry]

Oh, sort of reverse child psychology, huh? Yes, said Dickie.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Well, how come they sit on a picket bench without hollering? Don't they feel it?

[Jack Barry]

Well, that's probably pretty tough kids.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Wise boy. Getting a spanker must mean nothing to those kids, Elizabeth. Same thing with us people kind of at picket fence. But what do they do? They stayed in. Now we don't have any ticket fence.

[Jack Barry]

Gee, that's a shame. Charlie.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

What? Why didn't the lady put cactus on the fence? That won't tickle him.

[Jack Barry]

That's pretty rough treatment, Charlie. I don't know that you'd want to do that, Peggy.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Well, she should just let the fence collapse because otherwise she's just gonna get exhausted from picking them all up and she'll collapse first.

[Jack Barry]

All right, Dickie.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Well, don't they tear their pants on the fence?

[Jack Barry]

They probably do sometimes, I suppose.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Well, maybe it's easier to climb over the fence than walk through the gate. But it certainly must be drafted going home.

[Jack Barry]

Well, I suppose it would be. That wouldn't deter them too much. But I think they ought to explain to the children that for their own safety, they've got to stay off the fence. Otherwise, you'll have to ask them not to play in the garden. I'm sure they'll understand and cooperate with you and appreciate having a nice place to play. Our jurors will be back in just a moment with more questions and answers. Now, here's John, Scott and Gaines. Talking dog.

[John Scott]

Well, hi you, Gainesy. Come on over here.

[Jack Barry]

Say, what's this I hear about your

[John Scott]

having 20 food bowls in your kennel? Why do you need so many running a restaurant?

[Jack Barry]

Well.

[John Scott]

Well, what's on your menu, Gaines? Crunch on.

[Jack Barry]

Is that all

[John Scott]

dogs? All crunch, huh? Well, I'm not surprised to hear that. Is that the only reason you serve it? It's convenient.

[Jack Barry]

Well, how.

[John Scott]

How do you mean? No dishes to wash. Oh, I see. No cans to open. Well, that would be quite a job for you to do. Doesn't spoil. That's right. It doesn't. Economical too. That's quite a point when you're feeding hungry dogs. Now, tell me, Kim, do you have many regular customers? All regular.

[Jack Barry]

Uh huh. I see.

[John Scott]

I suppose that's because Franchon's nourishing. That's right. It sure is. You see folks, Francon is Jane's meal compressed into bite sized chunks so it provides all the balanced nourishment of. Looks like you have the perfect setup, Gainesy. You certainly do. And the same thing goes for you dog owners who have only one or two dogs to feed. Gaines crunch on provides scientific nourishment. It's convenient and it's economical. So Gainesy, come on and speak. Speak for Gaines. America's largest selling dog.

[Jack Barry]

Thank you, Gainesy and Scotty, Here comes our second person guest this week. He's Joseph Sestar and he is six years old. He lives in Brooklyn, New York. Joe, come right out up to that microphone and tell the kids in the jury what your problem is.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

My problem is when every time we have a play, I always have a part to say.

[Jack Barry]

You always have something to recite, a part to say, and you don't like that? Uh huh. Well, that's kind of a problem. Yes.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Peggy, why don't you like to recite? I like to recite, but I want to save my voice. Why do you want to save your voice?

[Jack Barry]

Why do you want to save your voice?

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Because when my father asks me questions, I won't be able to answer him back.

[Jack Barry]

That's if you lose your voice, huh?

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Yes.

[Jack Barry]

Maybe you ought to recite something for us here so that we have an idea of just how you recite. Would you recite something for us, Joe? Yes, go ahead. You write into the microphone, though he looked out in the audience. Go ahead.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Choosing your nest. If you were a baby birthing and could choose your kind of nest, which do you think would be nicest? Which kind would suit you best?

[Jack Barry]

I'm still waiting for the punchline. That's the end of the poem, huh? Well, that was short and sweet, wasn't it, Elizabeth?

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

In our school, when it was Memorial Day, our class, the girls were dressed in a costume and we had to stand up and recite. We didn't mind. We still have voices.

[Jack Barry]

That's good, Dickie.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

But your problem is that you don't want to recite because you're afraid you'll lose your voice. Right?

[Jack Barry]

That's it.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

So why don't you go ahead and recite and lose your voice, then you won't have any more problems.

[Jack Barry]

John Ottoman. I guess we'll have to take a run down here. Johnny, do you think that he should recite that much in school or not? What do you think?

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

I think he should do what the teacher said. Because my teacher already lost a voice from yelling already.

[Jack Barry]

Probably Yelling at you, Peggy.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Well, when you get a little older, your voice is going to change anyway. So why should you save it? You might as well use it all up now.

[Jack Barry]

Very good, Charlie.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

You know, I have, you know, I had that same problem. But you know. You know, some people ask me to do this and recite that. But you know, you have to be patient with them. And then they'll leave you alone. But, you know, you gotta be patient.

[Jack Barry]

Thank you very much, Dickie.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Well, all I can say is that I'm sorry that you're not in my class. Because the teacher would keep calling on uterus site and she'd forget all about me.

[Jack Barry]

No, forget about you. I think if you call upon to recite a great deal in school, you do it so well, Joe. And you keep right on doing it because you're doing a swell job. Thank you so much for being with us, Joe. Well, friends, after several weeks of study and judging, I have before me the final results of the Juvenile Jury Art Contest. I'd like to say that we were all overwhelmed by the tremendous number of paintings and drawings which were submitted. And it was really a tough job for the judges to decide which were the best five and the 200 runners up. But careful decisions were made. And here are the results. The names of the five children whose entries were considered to be the top winners of the Juvenile Jury Art Contest. Richard Buchanan of 24 Askan Avenue, Forest Hills, New York. Elizabeth Hulseman of 11 Baymuth Road, Newton Highlands, Massachusetts. Dickie A. Ford, 4142 East Wilton Street, Long Beach, California. Emily Sherrill of 108 N Salem Ave, Arlington Heights, Illinois. And Ted Hoffner of 259 Raymond Street, Rockville Center, Long Island. Juvenile Jury sends its warmest congratulations to all of you. Each of these five winners will receive a complete art outfit made by M. Grumbacker Incorporated. And in addition, each of the children's schools will each receive $250 worth of colors, brushes and artist materials made by M. Grumbacker, makers of the world's finest paint. The 200 runners up will receive especially prepared scrolls personally signed by each of our judges for their efforts on behalf of this important contest, I'd like to thank our judges, John Groth, Ralph Ellsworth, art director of Paris Magazine. And the distinguished artist, Mr. Norman Rockwell. Also, our thanks to M. Grumbacker for their advice, counsel and cooperation. But above all, our thanks to the thousands and thousands of children who participated in this Juvenile Jury Art Contest. These children make us feel ever so confident of our country's future. For only with creative people can a country progress and grow. Now here's John Scott to tell you how you may win a typewriter.

[John Scott]

If you have a question, send it to Juvenile Jury Box 148, N.Y. 46, N.Y. all questions become our property. If your question is used, you receive a trim modern Underwood portable typewriter and carrying case made by the typewriter leader of the world for your personal writing.

[Jack Barry]

Our time's up, so until next week, good luck from you all, Elizabeth Watson,

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Holly Han, Peggy bruder, Donald Master McBride

[Jack Barry]

and say and for me, Jack Harry. With this closing thought, out of the mouths of babes oft times come gems. Goodbye.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

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[Jack Barry]

You bet you will.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

While the water for breakfast drill is log cabbage syrup on your pancakes.

[John Scott]

Yes, Log Cabin is a syrup of that delicious Northwoods maple flavor. It's America's most popular quality table syrup. Enjoy it on waffles or pancakes for Sunday night suppers as well as at breakfast.

[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

Log Cabin syrup on your pancakes.

[John Scott]

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[Jack Barry]

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[Juvenile Jury Children (including John Arthur McBride III, Charlie Hamilton, Peggy Brewer, Elizabeth Watson)]

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