Tex and Jinx 47-11-04 Tex McCrary and Jinx Falkenberg

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Harold's Old Time Radio – "Tex and Jinx 47-11-04"

Host: Harold's Old Time Radio

Episode Air Date: February 21, 2026

Main Guests: Richard Kenny (Aviation Editor, Daily Mirror), Walt Disney (Animator, Filmmaker), Rose Pitchinson (NYC Career Woman)

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Overview

This episode of "Tex and Jinx" from the Golden Age of Radio blends timely news, cultural commentary, and a lively mix of interviews. Central themes include the recent tragic death of Ambassador John G. Winant, Howard Hughes’ groundbreaking plane flight, and a rare, engaging conversation with Walt Disney reflecting on his career and the rise of Mickey Mouse. The program concludes with a lighter segment featuring career woman Rose Pitchinson and her fashionable finds. The hosts, Tex McCrary and Jinx Falkenburg, maintain their authentic, conversational style, capturing the pulse of late 1940s America.

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Key Discussion Segments & Insights

1. Headlines & Reflections: The Tragic Death of John G. Winant

• Jinx opens with a somber discussion on the suicide of John G. Winant, former U.S. ambassador to England, delving into the circumstances and public mystery surrounding his death.

  • Quote [00:32]:
    "You wonder why a man who has contributed so much... should take his own life. It's apparent from reading the stories that he thought long and hard before he did it. There were two pistols in the room..." — Jinx

• She reflects on Winant’s wartime pressures—especially related to his son’s service and the anxiety of not knowing whether he was alive—a personal, empathetic narrative.

• Tex clarifies [02:46]:

  • "But Texas son was found, wasn't he? He was all right."
  • Jinx responds confirming the son was safe and treated well as a POW.

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2. Election Day & The State of the World

• The hosts discuss Election Day coverage, focusing on proportional representation, highlighting the intense media attention on democratic processes.

• Jinx spotlights journalist Walter Lippmann’s striking new column on geopolitics:

  • Quote [03:22]:
    "The Russians have lost the Cold War and they know it. We on the other hand, do not know this and are afraid to believe it." — Jinx, quoting Walter Lippmann

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3. Breaking Aviation News: Howard Hughes’ “Spruce Goose” Flight

Guest: Richard Kenny (Aviation Editor, Daily Mirror)

• Introduction:
  Kenny recounts his first-hand experience covering Howard Hughes’ massive flying boat, the H-4 Hercules (“Spruce Goose”), in California.

• Behind the Scenes:

  • Kenny details the laborious process of getting the huge plane onto the water and the unexpected, spur-of-the-moment flight attempt.
  • Quote [07:02]:
    "He took her out and taxied her out on two engines... kept starting them up two more at a time, so we had all eight going." — Richard Kenny

• Media Reaction:

  • There was skepticism among the press, some believing Hughes' timing was orchestrated for headline impact during ongoing Senate investigations.
  • Quote [09:41]:
    "There were some who felt that way, but others who... like him very much think he's great. I'm one of them. I think it's wonderful a man in his position can get out and fly every ship he builds himself." — Richard Kenny

• Speculation on the Future:

  • Kenny and Jinx briefly debate whether the gigantic plane could serve military or cargo purposes, with Kenny asserting it’s promising especially for troop transport.
  • Quote [11:44]:
    "The 700 troops part of it can contribute a lot if this cold war isn't over." — Richard Kenny

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4. The “Green Light” Department: Reviews & Fashion Finds

• Theatre Review:
  Jinx and Tex discuss recent Broadway openings, lamenting a lack of critical praise for new plays.

  • They preview French singer Edith Piaf’s sold-out shows.

• Fashion Feature:
  Detailed recommendation of matching “Gibson girl blouses” for mothers and daughters at Orbach’s department store, emphasizing style, color, and availability.

  • Quote [14:14]:
    "And I think if you just look a little bit to the right, Tex, you'll see me wearing one... but in plain white instead of the stripe. Do you like it?" — Jinx

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5. Headliner Interview: Walt Disney

A Rare Conversation with the Icon

• Introduction:
  Tex and Jinx introduce Walt Disney, highlighting the worldwide popularity and various international names for Mickey Mouse (e.g., “Miguel Ratoncito,” “Michel Suri,” “Miki Coochie”).

• Walt Disney’s Journey:

  • Early life drawing cartoons in Missouri and Chicago, leading up to failed ventures and finally, success in Hollywood.

  • Origins of Mickey Mouse, stories of legend and inspiration.

  • Walt Disney on his breakthrough [18:38]:
    "Oh, Snow White."

    • Discussing his first full-length animated feature, Walt reflects on “Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs” and subsequent features like “Pinocchio,” “Fantasia,” “Dumbo,” and “Bambi.”

  • On impact of Bambi:
    Quote [19:56]:
    "Oh, [hunters] said that they couldn't face their children when they come home with the deer over the front of the car, you know, because they've gone out and shot the deers." — Walt Disney

• The Latin American Influence:

  • Discusses Disney’s government-encouraged tours in Latin America and the creation of “Saludos Amigos” and “The Three Caballeros.”
  • Stories about being compared in appearance to Mexican President Aléman.

• Musical Legacy:

  • On "You Belong to My Heart" ("Solamente una vez"):
    "Well, it was a Latin tune, and we gave it English lyrics." — Walt Disney [22:11]

• Upcoming Projects:

  • Previews future features: “Melody Time” with stars like Dennis Day and Roy Rogers, and “So Dear to My Heart.”

  • Animation Process Revealed:

    • Voice acting happens before animation.
    • Artists "animate to the sound," dissecting each scene into roughly 80 drawings per sentence for perfect sync.
    • Quote [25:43]:
      "I'm not good at mathematics here, but I should imagine that would take about 80 drawings." — Walt Disney

• Mickey's 20th Anniversary:

  • A grand celebration including gifts and letters from 48 state governors.
  • Quote [27:09]:
    "He's the mouse that made me the man that I am." — Walt Disney

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6. Everyday NYC: Rose Pitchinson, Career Woman

• Intro to Rose Pitchinson:

  • A regular New Yorker, Rose shares her roots in Spring Valley, NY, and her city life.

• Weekend Escapes & Shopping:

  • Rose details her routine of taking ski-train getaways and her appreciation for the affordable fashion selection at Orbach’s, especially suits and dresses that fit her stature.

  • Quote [28:57]:
    "I will. And extra weekends because of the prices. That's what you found about shopping at Orbach. Love it." — Rose Pitchinson

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• “Why does a man, a brilliant man, an able man, take his life? Is it... he found something in the past that made him feel this mood of despair?” — Jinx, [01:59]
• “We have mistaken the violence of Mr. Vashinski’s language for Russian power and are therefore unprepared to use constructively the opportunity for a European settlement which is closer at hand than we think it is.” — Walter Lippmann, read by Jinx, [03:31]
• “He took her out and taxied her out on two engines... So we had all eight going.” — Richard Kenny, [07:02]
• “What we do, we analyze [the soundtrack], you see, and, and draw a graph, you see. Then from the graph we animate. It's simple.” — Walt Disney, [25:12]
• “He's the mouse that made me the man that I am.” — Walt Disney, [27:09]

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Segment Timestamps

| Segment | Start | |--------------------------------------------------|-----------| | John G. Winant discussion | 00:32 | | Election Day & PR debate | 02:49 | | Howard Hughes H-4 flight experience | 04:41 | | Green Light theater and fashion segment | 12:33 | | Walt Disney in-depth interview | 15:41 | | Rose Pitchinson, NYC career woman & weekend ski | 27:25 |

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Tone & Style

Throughout the episode, Tex and Jinx balance gravitas (in their reflections on tragedy and world events), journalistic curiosity (detailed, firsthand interviews), and lighthearted banter (fashion and lifestyle tips), offering listeners a vivid snapshot of mid-century American radio’s breadth.

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Conclusion

This episode is a vibrant example of postwar American radio at its finest—mixing hard news, lively reporting, celebrity interviews, and glimpses of everyday life. The Walt Disney segment stands out for its candid, behind-the-scenes look at animation’s golden age, while the coverage of Howard Hughes’ aviation exploits brings immediacy and color to front-page headlines. The program closes with relatable style as career girl Rose Pitchinson reminds listeners of the joys and practicalities of city living and weekend escape.

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Transcript

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[Jinx]

Hi, Jinx.

[Tex]

Hello, Tanks.

[Jinx]

Well, Jenks, front pages this morning are topped by a shocking, grim headline about the death of the former ambassador to England, John G. Winant. You read the story or you listen to the story on the radio this morning and you wonder why a man who has contributed so much to the happiness and welfare of this country and to all countries through his activities with the ilo. The why a Man Should Take His Own Life. It's apparent from reading the stories that he thought long and hard before he did it. There were two pistols in the room. One was unloaded. Apparently he took it up, tried to commit suicide with that pistol, threw it against the wall in anger or desperation when he could find no bullets for it, and then finally committed suicide with another pistol. Anybody who knew him, you can't possibly help but wonder why he did it. He had either just completed his memoirs or he was nearing completion of his memoirs. You wonder if there was something in reflection on his contribution to the welfare of the world, whether he realized some shortcomings, whether that brought on grief and this mood of desperation. Those of us who knew him in England during the war, we saw him at the time when his son came to England to fly with the 8th Air Force over Germany. We knew the tremendous pressure on him then because at that time everybody felt that if the Germans captured a man who was close to someone in high place, they would torture him in order to get information from him. And then I saw him immediately after he was informed that his son had been shot down over Germany. No one knew whether his son was a prisoner or had been killed for a long, long time. He bore up tremendously under that great grief. Mrs. Wynant did too. And so the mystery remains. Why does a man, a brilliant man, an able man, take his life? Is it because he knows something dreadful about the future, that's something ahead of all of us? Or that he found something in the past that made him feel this mood of despair?

[Tex]

But Texas son was found, wasn't he? He was all right.

[Jinx]

His son was perfectly all right. And was never tortured, was treated with the special prisoners, was put in a special prison camp. Another story on the front page this morning, Jenks, the Herald Tribune. Every paper front pages the fact that today is election day, but the Herald Tribune lays special emphasis on it prints a box on the front page of instructions not how to vote, but where to vote and when to vote. It's interesting that the front page headline on the Tribune predicts that proportional representation will be killed, although its editorial page makes one last plea to vote against the amendment which would kill proportional representation. PR, as it's generally known. I think the most interesting thing in any paper this morning is not on the front page, but on the first page, second section of the Herald Tribune. Walter Lippman's column. He's come back from Europe. You Europe Revisited is the title of it, of the column today. And it starts off like this. My strongest impression after a turn eastern and in Western Europe and in Germany is that the Russians have lost. The Russians have lost the Cold War and that they know it. We, on the other hand, do not know this and are afraid to believe it. We have mistaken the violence of Mr. Vashinski's language for Russian power and are therefore unprepared to use constructively the opportunity for a European settlement which is closer at hand than we think it is. That is even more interesting than the columns Mr. Lippman wrote on the Cold War. His column today, Europe Revisited, in which he says the Russians have lost the Cold War and they know it. But now, Jenks, we have a special guest here this morning, an old friend of mine who sits in the same office I used to work in on the Daily Mirror. Richard Kenny, the aviation editor of the Daily Mirror.

[Tex]

We have another guest also text Walt Disney. Don't.

[Jinx]

Walt Disney coming on in the second half of the program. But Richard Kenney is going to tell us the story behind the story that made headlines on every front page yesterday morning. Richard, you were out in California when Howard Hughes lifted his plane on the third taxi run into flight, weren't you? How did you happen to be out there?

[Richard Kenny]

Well, I'd been out there on vacation for the past few weeks.

[Tex]

Got back yesterday, just yesterday morning, and he said he's very tired and it's only because his uncles have been on the program. And I suppose maybe they said it was was not too hard. That's why Richard Kenny's here this morning.

[Jinx]

Uncle Nick Kenny and Uncle Charlie Kenny. Well, now, Richard, you got to do good this morning. You were out there and you. How did you happen to Find out about the flight, about the Hughes flight.

[Richard Kenny]

Well, there were some statements in the papers that he might fly at around November 5th, and I sort of smelled the story and figured maybe I could sneak a quick look at it before I came back east.

[Jinx]

So you had a busman's holiday?

[Richard Kenny]

Yeah.

[Jinx]

You went over and covered the story. Well, now, can you tell us exactly what happened?

[Richard Kenny]

Oh, about the flight.

[Jinx]

About the flight. I mean, did you suspect that he was going to really try to fly it that day?

[Richard Kenny]

No. We all hoped he might be foolish enough to try. We thought he'd be foolish if he tried it. $25 million invested in it and $7

[Jinx]

million of his own money.

[Richard Kenny]

Yeah, a little more after this deal.

[Tex]

But this wasn't the first day, was it, Richard?

[Richard Kenny]

No, it took him all of 7 hours to inch it out on site, to inch it out of its dock. And that was a tremendous operation. Hughes directed the whole thing from atop the plane. My walkie talkie remind me of a mahout, you know, on top of. I don't mean the plane is a white elephant, but he got it out then and a strong wind blew up. He couldn't bring back in, so he moored it out in the bay. Then the next morning, we all got out there very early, about 8am where were you?

[Tex]

What were you on, Richard?

[Richard Kenny]

We were on PT boats, following them in the taxi runs.

[Jinx]

About how many newspaper men were out there, would you say?

[Richard Kenny]

Oh, well, I wouldn't say newspaper men, but newsmen, radio men and newsreel men and wire service men. There were about 200 all told, I suppose.

[Jinx]

So it was a pretty well covered story. And then what happened? The first he tried. He tried a taxi run first, did he?

[Richard Kenny]

Yeah, he took her out and taxied her out on two engines and, oh, felt it out a little bit on two engines and then kept starting them up two more at a time. So we had all eight going.

[Jinx]

Make a lot of noise when he had eight engines going.

[Richard Kenny]

No, not too much noise. There was a B25 flying around up above and that was making more noise than anything.

[Jinx]

More noise than all eight of it. He was playing, y'.

[Richard Kenny]

All. They're quite noisy. So then he, he, he made two runs and he got her up on a step and she looked like she'd go off.

[Jinx]

You better explain that up on a step.

[Richard Kenny]

Well, a step is sort of like a hydroplane. You get up on the. It's hard to explain over the air.

[Tex]

What is it on a pontoon? You mean

[Richard Kenny]

the hull has a notch in it. You know.

[Tex]

No, I don't go on, you two men talking.

[Jinx]

The point is that it was just about to take off and he decided to go on and take it off, did he not?

[Richard Kenny]

Then he. He stopped and said the tests were over for the day and got. Got the newsmen off the ship. He had a representative of each wire service and newsreel men aboard the plane on the tactic tests. I was in a PT boat running alongside when he got them off. He put them in a boat and then he decided to try it one more time, we thought. We sat by and watched him and he came roaring down and had the flaps on and sure enough, she leaped off very smoothly and he kept her up maybe 30 to 50ft for about a half mile or so, and then he dropped her back in.

[Tex]

You mean 30 or 50ft off the water?

[Richard Kenny]

Yeah, and then he dropped her back in. And then everybody went wild out there.

[Jinx]

Even the newspaper men cheered a little bit. Did they?

[Richard Kenny]

Yeah, they sure did.

[Tex]

Could you see the plane? Were you near enough to the plane to see it off the. Off the water?

[Richard Kenny]

No, I wasn't near enough to really actually see it off the water. There was a breakwater in between me. We were on our way back when he let the newsmen off. We figured that that was the end

[Tex]

of the tests, and everybody thought that.

[Richard Kenny]

In fact, I came back in and wrote my story before I was sure he had taken it off. And I had to send a new lead in which got to my paper before my original story did. And they got quite mixed up on it over at the Mirror.

[Jinx]

But you say newsmen. How did the newsmen feel about Howard Hughes? I mean, he's been through a couple of tough investigations. One crack up and he's going into the second round of his investigation. How do you think all these newsmen felt out there? Do you feel that they thought that they were being used to make a headline at a critical period in his career or what?

[Richard Kenny]

There were some who felt that way, but others who. Who know the man and like him very much think he's great. I'm one of them.

[Walt Disney]

Mm.

[Richard Kenny]

I think it's wonderful. A man in his position can get out and fly every ship he builds himself. He's not afraid to try out something he's built.

[Jinx]

You didn't. You didn't have a feeling, though, that he had. That the public relations firm that is handling him and doing a very fine job of it is. Had picked Sundeed in order to break a Monday headline and that this thing you used the Word foolish there at the beginning, did you feel that he was foolish to try to fly it so soon after its first taxi run or its second taxi run?

[Richard Kenny]

I thought he would be in the beginning, before he had done it. And then when I questioned him after he came in, the way he explained it to me, I thought that it was true, that it was a spur of the moment thing. He said it felt so buoyant and so good that he just wanted to ease it off a little bit. Just to, you know. Put a bug in Brewster's ear was the term he used, I think.

[Jinx]

Well, he sure put a bug in Mr. Brewster's ear. Senator Brewster's ear. Mr. Brewster's been trying to get it out ever since. Richard, are you going down and cover these herrings in Washington?

[Richard Kenny]

No, that's news report. I have to do cover local flying around New York and do a little flying myself. I've missed it.

[Jinx]

Well, I hope that Jack glade and Charles McCabe will send you down to Washington, because I think that these herrings should be covered by an aviation writer instead of a political writer. And that's the way they've been covered in the past.

[Tex]

Howard Hughes himself said that the investigations had switched and they weren't about the plane now, were they? They changed their course.

[Richard Kenny]

He said he wasn't. He didn't think Brewster was actually interested in whether the plane flew or not.

[Tex]

But you saw the plane or you really didn't see it fly, but you heard firsthand reports that it did go off the water. And you think it will fly next April?

[Richard Kenny]

Yeah, I think it'd fly tomorrow if he got out there. She looks like a beautiful ship. Right?

[Tex]

It's really fly, though.

[Richard Kenny]

Yeah, but.

[Jinx]

And you think that it'll contribute much to Aviation, this eight engine plane?

[Richard Kenny]

Well, not the eight engine part of it, but the 700 troops part of it can contribute a lot if this cold war isn't over.

[Jinx]

Even though she doesn't fly more than 175 miles an hour. You think that.

[Richard Kenny]

Well, say, for cargo use, she'd be good.

[Jinx]

Well, Richard, I really hope you do go down and cover that investigation, because one thing that might get it back on the track is to have aviation writers instead of movie critics, columnists, newsreel cameramen and political writers covering investigation. Thank you very much for your firsthand report. And I tell Uncle Nick and Uncle Charlie, if they aren't awake yet, that you were very calm, cool and collected on your first trip on the air.

[Tex]

That's Richard Kenny. Text Richard Kenny and Uncle Nick Is Uncle Nick Kenny. Just for those who don't know him as just Uncle Nick. Okay.

[Jinx]

Well, now, Jenks, little music to cue in our green light department. Good news. Well, Jenks, two plays opened last night, and I'm afraid neither one of them got a green light from the critics this morning.

[Tex]

No, I afraid we cannot give a green light to either of the plays that opened last night. This time tomorrow or. Oh, dear. Trial, honey, Honeymoon. I didn't. I pushed the papers aside. But I do think that we can give a sort of preview. A green light for Edith Piaf, the famous French chanteuse who's singing at the playhouse. Is that the way you pronounce it?

[Jinx]

I think so. I grinned, but I couldn't do any better.

[Tex]

She sings at the French Singer? Yes, and I understand from several people who've been trying to get tickets that she's sold out for the coming four weeks that she's going to be there. We'll be seeing it Thursday night, and then we'll be able to give a firsthand green light.

[Jinx]

I know, on Friday morning. But now, Jenks, I think we have a very special green light for Orbax this morning.

[Tex]

Yes, for those cameo Gibson girl blouses in a mother and daughter combination.

[Jinx]

Too bad they don't make them in mother and son combination, but anyway. You mean that mothers and daughters can both wear matching blouses?

[Tex]

Yes, and the particular blouse that I'm talking about is a lovely striped chambray in rose, maize or lime stripes on gray, and it has full puff Gibson sleeves. I can't talk this morning. I'm going to start all over again. It has full puffed Gibson sleeves, and around its high neck is a detachable grosgrain ribbon with an adorable cameo. And I think if you just look a little bit to the right, Tex, you'll see me wearing one of the blouses, but in plain white instead of the stripe. Do you like it?

[Jinx]

I love it. Do you trust them with stripes?

[Tex]

All right. And I wish, as you say, that I had a little girl so that she could wear the daughter combination, but

[Jinx]

since I no propaganda.

[Tex]

All right.

[Jinx]

Ask Ruth McCabe. Anyway, these can be found on the main floor of either store in sizes 32 to 38 for mothers and for

[Tex]

the daughters, you'll find sizes 7 to 14 and 10 to 16 on the fourth floor in the New York store and in the downstairs store in Newark.

[Jinx]

In Newark, New Jersey.

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[Jinx]

now. Jenks about our next guest Our next guest is Walt Disney, the film father of a certain little animal famous all over the world. In Soviet Russia, he's known as Mickey Mouse. And in Spain. I hope my accent's all right.

[Tex]

In Spain, they call him Miguel Ratoncito. Brazilians know him as Comandongo Mickey. And in Argentina, he's El Raton Mickey.

[Jinx]

And the French have given him the name of Michel Suri. And in Japan, it's Miki Coochie. But here at home, we all know Walt Disney's most famous cartoon character, just as Mickey Mouse.

[Tex]

Well, Tex, you know, Walt Disney was only 10 years old when he did his first commercial artwork. He used to get a free haircut every week in his hometown of Marceline, Missouri. And for sketches that he drew and gave to the barber to display on the walls of his sh. And then at 16, he was in Chicago taking a night course in cartooning at the Academy of Fine Arts.

[Jinx]

But about this time, the First World War broke out, and Walt was too young to join the army. But he managed to get overseas as an ambulance driver for the Red Cross. And then after the war, he began making his first animated cartoons in Kansas City, and he called them Laugh O Grams.

[Tex]

Well, people must not have laughed very much because the company failed and Walt packed up and went to Hollywood to try his luck. And that's when Mickey Mouse was born. Exactly 20 years ago. In fact, they just celebrated the 20th anniversary last week. And then, of course, Walt Disney was on his way to fame.

[Jinx]

You know, Jenks, there's a lot of stories about the original, the origin of Mickey. One says that the original was a little fella who lived in a waste basket where Walt worked in Kansas City. The Mouse got so tame he used to run across the top of his drawing board. And Walt made friends with him and named him Mickey.

[Tex]

Well, I don't know about that story text, but Mickey was just the beginning. That I do know. Then came Donald Duck, the Three Little Pigs, Goofy and Pluto, and the Big Bad Wolf, and oh, so many others. You know, Walt Disney's cartoons have won over a dozen Academy Awards in the short subjects division. And Walt doesn't draw much of the cartoons anymore, but he still supervises every detail of their productions.

[Jinx]

And that means working round the clock in busy times. I wonder how many people know though that Walt is the voice of Mickey Mouse.

[Tex]

I didn't know that until just the other day.

[Jinx]

Well, you'll find out again in a minute. But now let's switch to transcription, Jinx, and listen to your interview with Walt Disney, Mickey Mouse's boss.

[Tex]

Hello, Walt. Hello.

[Walt Disney]

I mean, hello, Jinx.

[Tex]

Hi, Walt. Now let me see, what was that character?

[Jinx]

Well, that was just a sort of

[Walt Disney]

a slip into a mouse.

[Tex]

Well, that was a slip into a mouse. What's the last word that I've heard about the mouse?

[Richard Kenny]

That.

[Tex]

That you've built a better mouse. Can you help me out on that?

[Walt Disney]

Oh, that's the old, better mousetrap gag.

[Jinx]

Yeah.

[Tex]

Well, what is it?

[Jinx]

Well, they beat a path to your

[Tex]

door and you've built a better mouth. Well, Mickey Mouse and how. Walt, I wonder if you wouldn't help me with a little build up for you for your pictures. I want to just sort of go back over the past and, and find out what the first, the first big picture that you made. I don't mean all the Mickey Mouses and Donald Ducks, but what was your first full length feature?

[Walt Disney]

Oh, Snow White.

[Tex]

Snow White and the Seven Dwarves.

[Walt Disney]

That's when you were just a little

[Tex]

girl, about seven years ago, wasn't it?

[Walt Disney]

Oh, it's almost ten.

[Tex]

Is it really? That was a wonderful picture. That was the first full length feature.

[Jinx]

Yeah.

[Tex]

Who were some of the singers behind the scenes in that?

[Walt Disney]

Oh, we had a little girl by the name of Cassalotti from the opera family.

[Tex]

You had really an opera singer in the picture?

[Walt Disney]

Well, her father was an opera coach and her sister was a famous Carmen and she was a Los Angeles girl.

[Tex]

And then what came next? Did Fantasia come next?

[Walt Disney]

Oh, gosh.

[Jinx]

Now what?

[Richard Kenny]

What?

[Tex]

Yes, we have to go back 10 years now and then pick up the remains.

[Jinx]

Pinocchio.

[Tex]

Pinocchio. And then Fantasia?

[Walt Disney]

I think so.

[Jinx]

Fantasia.

[Walt Disney]

And then Dumbo and Bambi and.

[Tex]

Oh, Bambi was a beautiful Picture?

[Walt Disney]

Well, we're bringing Bambi out this year again. It's going to come out and run all over again.

[Tex]

It'll be reissued.

[Walt Disney]

Well, we just give it a new start.

[Tex]

Oh, I see. I see. Well, I think that you must have had great reaction from. From parents all over the world on that picture, didn't you, Walt?

[Walt Disney]

Oh, yes, it's the. It's considered now one of the best.

[Tex]

And what about children? Did you get any special letters from children? Any reaction from them?

[Walt Disney]

Well, no, but I did from hunters.

[Tex]

Did you? What did they say?

[Walt Disney]

Oh, they said that they couldn't face their children when they come home with the deer over the front of the car, you know, because they've gone out

[Jinx]

and shot the deers.

[Tex]

And they thought it was Bambi.

[Jinx]

That's right. They couldn't.

[Walt Disney]

Well, I had all the honey magazines down on me on account of that picture.

[Tex]

Oh, dear. Well, what happened after Bambi? What was the next on your line of hit parades?

[Walt Disney]

Oh, gee, the war came along. Then. I think I did the South American picture, the one Sludest Amigas, you know.

[Tex]

Oh, yeah.

[Walt Disney]

Brazil and Tico Tico in it. And. And then later on, I did another

[Richard Kenny]

one,

[Walt Disney]

Three Caballeros, featuring Mexico. And the music from Mexico.

[Tex]

I certainly remember that one. Because you have a soft spot in your spot in your heart for Mexico, just as I have. We met down there, I believe.

[Walt Disney]

Yeah, I remember it.

[Tex]

You were on an official tour then. Hadn't the government asked you down, hoping that you'd be inspired by their music and by their surroundings so that you would make a picture?

[Walt Disney]

Well, something like that. But I remember we were at the opera with the Mr. Alaman, who is now president. You remember that?

[Tex]

Then he was Secretary of the Interior.

[Walt Disney]

That's right. And the opera was long and we were hungry, and we sort of sneaked out when no one was looking and went over and all had a nice beef steak. The rest of the people suffered through the opera.

[Tex]

I remember that very well. I also remember that that night so many people were confused because they felt that the president of Mexico and you, Walt Disney, looked very much alike. Now, how do you feel about that? Do you think you do?

[Walt Disney]

Well, I have a mustache, and he has one. I have brown eyes, and his eyes are brown. And I think in a profile, we do. We had our pictures taken together that way in the profile to show the. I think he has a little more of a prominent forehead than I do.

[Tex]

Yeah, I think so, too. But you did have a picture taken in profile together?

[Walt Disney]

Oh, yes, several yeah.

[Tex]

Did you have it autographed? And do you have it in your office in Hollywood?

[Walt Disney]

No, I haven't, but I think I should.

[Tex]

I think you should. Now that he's president, you certainly should. Well, you were inspired by the music of Latin America, you said, and particularly Mexico and Brazil.

[Walt Disney]

Well, their music, I think, is. Is the most distinctive of all the Latin music.

[Tex]

You. You had a very big hit song in. In one of your pictures called you Belong To My Heart, which had a Latin American origin, didn't it?

[Walt Disney]

Well, it was a Latin tune, and we gave it English lyrics.

[Tex]

What was it in Spanish? Do you remember?

[Walt Disney]

Solamente, unavez.

[Tex]

Solamente, unavez. How did it go?

[Jinx]

I'll cut it out.

[Tex]

All right. I'll cut it out. I think that's it. That's good enough. Well, that's very good.

[Walt Disney]

What did you say?

[Tex]

I just said, how is your Spanish?

[Jinx]

That's as far as I go.

[Tex]

That's as far as you go. Well, now, let me see. We stopped in South America with Saludos Amigos and Three Caballeros. What came next?

[Walt Disney]

Oh, gee, you got me. I think. Wasn't that Song of the south, or do you remember?

[Jinx]

I don't know.

[Tex]

I think it was Song of the Song.

[Walt Disney]

A lot of war films.

[Tex]

Yes, I remember. Didn't you do the picture with Major Alexander Seversky?

[Walt Disney]

Oh, yes. Huh.

[Tex]

That was very good. And that was the first time I'd seen color. And I mean. I mean, you had live and animation at the same time, didn't you?

[Walt Disney]

Well, I had Seversky in there.

[Tex]

You had Seversky, too. Yeah, but Song of the south was a big hit. There were a couple of very good hit songs in that one. What were they?

[Walt Disney]

Well, I think the two biggest were Zippy Da Duda and. Oh, Gosh.

[Tex]

Oh, oh. Uncle Remus said.

[Walt Disney]

Uncle Remus said. And sooner or later.

[Tex]

I remember that. And now Fun and Fancy Free. Now Fun and Fancy Free, isn't it?

[Walt Disney]

Is that my cue?

[Tex]

No, no, no. Oh, I. I love the song, but I wanted to talk about the picture a little bit and find out what you plan to do next, Walt.

[Walt Disney]

Well, we got a lot of things. I got one coming out next year called Melody Time, and then one following that called so Dear to My Heart, which is a nostalgic thing about early America, about nineteen hundred and. Oh, gee, I can't think.

[Tex]

Well, Melody Time sounds very good. What's the background of that? Are you going to have again. Are you going to have famous singers, really big names behind the scenes? Singing?

[Walt Disney]

Yes, it's a musical story and music and things. And I have Dennis Day telling the story of Johnny.

[Jinx]

Singing.

[Walt Disney]

Telling and singing the story of Johnny Appleseed and Roy Rogers and the pioneers sing and tell the story of the fabulous cowboy Pecos Bill. And then Fred Waring does a beautiful number, Freddie Barton does Bumble Boogie. And Ethel Smith does another Brazilian number for us. And let's see, who else? Francis Langford and OG oh, that sounds awfully good.

[Tex]

And the name of that is Melody Time.

[Walt Disney]

Melody Time.

[Tex]

We're going to remember that. And, and, and then of course, you say you're working on some others, too. I'd like to find out something. And I'm sure that everyone listening would be interested, Walt Disney, in finding out how you do the sound, how you do the, the. All the sound in your movies, whether it's done after the film is, is put together or before. Can you tell a sort of behind the scenes story of that?

[Walt Disney]

You mean the voice?

[Tex]

Yes.

[Walt Disney]

Well, we do the voice first.

[Tex]

I mean, Donald Duck talks first.

[Walt Disney]

He talks first. And then we dissect the soundtrack, you see, and then we draw to fit the sound.

[Tex]

Wait a minute. You dissect the soundtrack? Do you mean that you take out just one sound and draw.

[Walt Disney]

No, no. What we do, we analyze it, you see, and, and draw a graph, you see. Then from the graph we animate. It's.

[Jinx]

It's simple.

[Tex]

It is. Well, now tell me how, how many times you have to animate for just for one sentence? Eh? How many pictures roughly do you have

[Walt Disney]

to have on the sentence, you know?

[Tex]

Oh, I see. All right, now I'll give you a sentence. I'm going to go home and see Mrs. Duck.

[Walt Disney]

I'm not good at mathematics here, but I should imagine that would take about 80 drawings.

[Tex]

About 80. And that, that I still don't understand, but we might have someone checking. I'll let you know if you're wrong. But, but let me see, I still don't understand how it gets in sync then, how the sound is in sync with the drawings.

[Walt Disney]

Well, we draw to fit the sound.

[Tex]

I understand. I'll take your word for it.

[Jinx]

All right.

[Walt Disney]

Well, Walt, it works anyway.

[Tex]

It certainly does work. And it comes out even, doesn't it? Walt, tell me, what are you doing in New York? Are you getting some background on, on the next pictures coming up on Melody Time?

[Walt Disney]

No, really. I came back for big shindig. The Bandit Banshees put here the 20th anniversary Mickey Mouse.

[Tex]

Oh, gosh. And what happened there?

[Walt Disney]

Big shindig over there. And they had a statue that they gave to Mickey Mouse and everything, a beautiful book with letters from the 48 governors and. Oh, gosh, I hadn't seen the book myself. I mean, the newspaper guys took it right away from me and I haven't got it back.

[Tex]

And you haven't seen it.

[Richard Kenny]

Well.

[Tex]

Well, Mickey Mouse must feel very close to. To you, doesn't he?

[Jinx]

Yes.

[Tex]

I mean, you feel that he's. He's almost a person. I always feel mouse that may be

[Jinx]

the man that I am.

[Tex]

That's. He's the mouse that made you the man that you are. I think we should close with that. And I wish you'd just repeat that once more. Tex always says if he hears something he likes that's very good, he wants to hear it again.

[Walt Disney]

He's the mouse that made me the man that I am.

[Tex]

Well, thank you very much. Yam on that, the true yam. Thank you, Walt Disney, very much. And we'll be looking forward to Melody Time and all the pictures that you have lined up for the next few years.

[Walt Disney]

Well, thanks, Jinx. Been nice seeing you.

[Jinx]

Well, it's been a lot of fun for me hearing you two hard at work while I sat in the control room and listened. But now it's time for our next guest, Jinx, A career girl, a New York career girl. A girl who has learned that all wise women find their way to Orbex. And her name, Rose Pitchinson.

[Tex]

Rose Pitchinson. We usually like to get our bearings with the guests, so I'll ask you first if you're a native New Yorker, are you not of Manhattan? Not of Manhattan. Where are you? Spring Valley, New York. Spring. Oh, that's where Paulette Goddard and Bridges Meredith have a farm. That's right. Have you been by their farm? Just by it. Don't people in Spring Valley talk about the neighbors up there? They talk about them, but they don't visit. Oh, I see.

[Jinx]

Well, now, I understand you've been a customer of Orbach's for three long years, which means you must have been living here in Manhattan for a long time, haven't you?

[Tex]

I've been here five years.

[Jinx]

You've been here five years? It took you two years to find out about our backs. Well, shame on you.

[Tex]

I still go up to the country for weekends. You go away to Spring Valley, don't you? That's right. That's my. My contention with Tex, always to get away, sort of back to the soil as often as possible.

[Jinx]

Well, now, we understand that you've got a very interesting Hobby that really takes you away for weekends and that's skiing. How in the dickens do you find time to go skiing? And where do you go skiing, living and working in New York as you

[Tex]

do, Rose, just because they manage these wonderful weekend ski trains.

[Jinx]

Well, how do they work? When do you get on and where do you get on? Where do you go?

[Tex]

Get on at Grand Central Friday night at 7, back in New York Sunday night at 11.

[Jinx]

Aren't you exhausted when you get back?

[Tex]

Right.

[Jinx]

You are. But you still go.

[Tex]

That's right.

[Jinx]

When did the ski ski train start?

[Tex]

Usually around Christmas, depending upon the snow weather. And we have something here that we shouldn't officially mention yet, but all backs are going to have a good, great selection of ski clothes very soon. So we hope that you'll keep listening to the program, Rose, so that you can know when to go down and get these new ski things that they'll have on the line very soon. And from what you said about the things you've bought there, you might be able to buy a few more extra ski outfits. Do you think so? I will. And extra weekends because of the prices. That's what you found about shopping at Orbach. Love it. Yeah, you said that you got a very handsome suit there. A beautiful suit and a beautiful dress at wonderful prices. What was the suit like? Can you describe it? The new ballerina length and the new style jacket. And you're quite tall, aren't you? I am. Are you taller than I am tall? We have to sit next to each other. But that's a very important item to find the right length and as you say, the right prices. So I hope you will keep listening for the new ski clothes that will be shown at Orbax and then you might be able to get that extra weekend that you want.

[Jinx]

Thank you very much, Rose.

[Tex]

Thank you. And thank you, Rose, for me also. And we'd like to remind you, of course, you know, and all our listeners the address of Orbach's 14th street and Union Square right here in New York City. Just take the nearest bus or subway and you'll be there. And in New Jersey, in Newark, New Jersey, it's at Market and Halsey streets. We wanted to remind you of Orbach's address. And now a reminder about tomorrow's program. Text. You should be very excited about what we have on.

[Jinx]

Well, I don't know why I should be particularly excited. Everybody should. Because it's the first lady of Hollywood.

[Tex]

Yes. Greer Garson, who's the famous, famous lady. She's played so many famous women in movies, among them Mrs. Miniver, for which she won the Academy award, Madame Curie, Mrs. Parkington and random Harvest.

[Jinx]

This program, in part transcribed, has come to you from the WNBC studios in Radio City.

[Walt Disney]

You're listening to Same Time, Same Station, the Best of Old Time Radio.

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