
You Are There 48-06-20 (35) Impeachment of Andrew Johnson
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John Daly
This is John Daly in the radio newsroom of the United States Senate, just across the hall from the galleries of the Senate chamber itself. In less than half an hour on this historic and eventful morning of 16th May, 1868, Andrew Johnson, President of the United States, may be removed from office. Convicted of high crimes and misdemeanors. In less than 30 minutes, the people of the United States may have a new president. The Honorable Benjamin Wade, Senator from Ohio and President the United States Senate. The hour of decision is at hand. At the stroke of noon, Chief Justice Salmon Pete Chase will mount the rostrum, reconvene the Senate as a court of impeachment, and each senator in turn will cast his vote. 1868. Washington, D.C. you are there. Washington. Andrew Johnson, the President of the United States, is impeached. The Senate is preparing to vote for acquittal or conviction. The fate of Andrew Johnson, chief magistrate of the world's greatest democracy, is at stake. CBS takes you back to witness the closing minutes of the trial of Andrew Johnson. For high crimes and misdemeanors. All things are as they were then, except for one thing. When CBS is there you are there you are there is based on authentic historical fact and quotation. And now the radio newsroom of the United States Senate and John Daly. The drama of the 19th century is about to enter a new stage. The drama that began with the surrender of Lee at Appomattox that was heightened by the bullet that ended the life of President Lincoln. And this drama reached its climax when Congress, determined to avenge the devastation and slaughter of the war, turned its anger on President Johnson for advocating Lincoln's punishment policy of a charitable peace based upon his well remembered words, with malice towards none. Now the final day of this trial without precedent has come and the voting will begin in a matter of moments. Rumors are flying thick and fast throughout the capital, Quincy. How has spent this busy day circulating among the senators who sitting as a jury in accordance with the Constitution, will soon pass judgment on President Andrew Johnson. He has just returned to the newsroom. Quincy, what's the feeling downstairs? Will the President be acquitted or convicted? And how will the balloting go? Right up to this last moment, John, the radical Republican leaders have never doubted they could command the 2/3 vote of the Senate required for conviction. These radical Republicans belong to the extreme wing of their party, as you know, and they're called radical because they want to impose a hard peace on the defeated Southern states. But now that the hour of decision draws near, the outcome has suddenly become doubtful. The Radical Republicans can count on 35 votes. They need 36 or just one vote. Seven Republican senators have either announced that they'll vote for acquittal or they've just said nothing. Senators Trumbull, Pleasanten, Van Winkle and Fowler definitely favor acquittal. So does Senator Grimes of Iowa. But Grimes is so ill that he probably won't be able to take his seat this afternoon. The two other doubtful senators, the men who hold the fate of President Andrew Johnson in their hands, are Senator Henderson of Missouri and Senator Ross of Kansas. The Radical Republicans must get one of those two wavering votes in order to oust Johnson and put through their plan to subjugate the South. Neither Henderson nor Ross is on the floor of the Senate chamber right now. I understand they're both in the corridor outside the Senate lounge downstairs. Ken Roberts is down there, too. He's been trying to get them to the microphone. So come in, Ken Roberts. It's absolutely impossible to get near Senators Harrison and Ross right now. They're both surrounded by radical Republican leaders who are awkwardly begging, pleading, arguing, threatening, cajoling. Perhaps later we can get Henderson o' Ross by Mike Wrong. But right now we have Congressman Thaddeus Stevens of Pennsylvania, the man who, above all others, has been behind this move to impeach President Johnson. Congressman Stevens is convalescing recent illness and two guards are carrying him in a chair. Mr. Stevens, will the President be convicted? What president? President Johnson, of course. Oh, you mean the man who is now performing the function of President. Of course he'll be convicted. He entered upon that office through the pal doll of assassination and he'll leave it by the back stares of shame. And if the Senate convicts President Johnson and Senator Wade takes his place? I assure you, that'll happen. Well, if it does, would you still insist that only Congress can reconstruct the Southern states, or will you allow the new President to set the policy of Reconstruction? We'll dig that hole when we get a new shovel. As to the Southern states, I recognize no such thing as a Southern state. The territories to the south forfeited their right to statehood when they voted themselves out of the union. But Mr. Stevens, according to the late President Lincoln, the war was fought to prevent the Southern states from leaving the Union. The late President Lincoln to the contrary. The war was not fought to keep the Union. It was fought to rid this nation of a Southern aristocracy that plagued and floated itself on the vile institution of human slavery. But slavery has been abolished, Congressman Stevens, and the Southern states are asking to be brought back into The Union. They can be brought back. And in time they will. But only when they come back as prodigals, aware of the enormity of their crimes. Only after they have earned the price of admission. What is that price of admission, Congressman? Complete equality for the Negro, including the right to vote. Elimination from public office of all who took arms against our country during the war. Full and unquestioning acceptance by the south of the Guerri principles of the Republican party. Meaning that they must vote the Republican ticket. Meaning they must vote the Republican ticket. Congressman Stevens. President Johnson's supporters claim that not one scrap of evidence has been presented during the trial that warrants conviction for high crimes and misdemeanors. That's what they say. Well, do you have anything new to say in answer to that? We don't need criminal evidence to warrant conviction. This isn't a criminal proceeding. This is a political action. I repeat, a political action. What we need, we have indisputable evidence of President Johnson's political malefaction. Andrew Johnson has brought the high office of President of the United States into contempt, ridicule and disgrace. That's all. Lift me up. Take me to Senate. Thank you, Congressman. Clarice Stevens, the majority leader of the House, is being lifted now into his chair and carried into the Senate chamber. Now, here is Senator Benjamin Wade to Ohio, the man who, in a matter of moments, may be the President of the United States. Senator Wade, how do you think the vote will come out? Will President Johnson be convicted for the good of the country? I pray so. Senator. If conviction is obtained, what will be the policy of your administration towards the defeated Southern states? Well, my administration shall be dedicated to the greater glory of our loyal citizenry and to the elimination, the crushing, the smashing of every last vestige of secession and rebellion that dares to show itself in the conquered lands across the Potomac. Would you vote on the article of impeachment? Senator, you know, of course, that some people feel that because you are in line for the presidency, your vote should be withheld. I feel that I would be liked in my duty to the people of Ohio if I fail to register their apparent attorney by forfeiting my own vote on the basis of personal involvement, of course I shall vote. I shall vote against despotism until the last moment of the last hour of my life. Senator Wade, there's been some talk that the president's supporters might ask for an adjournment at this time due to the serious illness of Senator Grimes. What do you think of that possibility, sir? If God Almighty has stricken a member of this body so that he cannot be here to uphold the dictation of a despot. I thank him for it, and I will take every advantage of it that I can. Well said, then. Well said. Thank you, Senator Wade of Ohio. I still can't get Senators Ross or Henderson. I'll keep trying to get them to our microphone, but it can't be done right now. John Hollenbeck at the other end of the corridor has Senator Reverie Johnson of Maryland at his microphone. So over to Don Hollenbeck, Senator, please. This side. Thank you. Senator Reverty Johnson is one of the President's staunchest supporters in the Senate. Senator Johnson, how do you think the vote is going to go today? Will President Andrew Johnson be acquitted? If justice survives, he will be exonerated. He must be. He's guiltless. In your opinion, then, the charges against the President have not been proved? Why, of course not. The impeachment articles sent up by the House of Representatives are built upon an alleged refusal of the President to enforce a law. You refer, of course, to the Tenure of Office Act? Yes, sir, I do. This act was passed to prevent the President from removing from office any federal officer who was in sympathy with the Radical Republicans in Congress. Well, in your opinion, Senator Johnson, didn't the President defy the law when he removed the Secretary of War from his cabinet, Mr. Stanton? Oh, no, sir, no. No, this. This was not a defiance by the President. He was merely attempting to test the constitutionality of the Tenure of Office act in the courts. And in so doing, he deliberately walked into the trap set for him by his political enemies. He knew that this was precisely what the Radical Republicans were waiting for. He knew that those wolves were drooling, the hyenas howling. But Andy Johnson was never the man to draw back from a fight. No, sir, not Andy Johnson. Senator, if President Lincoln were alive today, do you think the Radical Republicans would have dared impeach him? Why, certainly. This would have happened to Lincoln as it's now happening to Andrew Johnson. It's inevitable. Any man who stands for mercy and charity to the south is the marked enemy of the Radical Republican. And I thank God that Abraham Lincoln was spared this ignominy by the bullet of John Wilkes Booth. Thank you, Senator Johnson. I've just been informed that Senator Grimes of Iowa, the Senator who was so ill he wasn't expected to be present today, has arrived at the Senate entrance to the Capitol. So over to Ned Calmer. I'm standing just inside the Senate entrance. Senator Grimes. Carriage has just drawn up outside the door, they. The Capitol guards had to clear a way for it through the pressing, excited crowds. And now the guards have lifted the senator stretcher out of the carriage. It's the senator's doctor is by his side, cautioning the guards. Mrs. Grimes, the senator's wife, is still inside the carriage. The senator stretcher is being brought through the entrance door now. Senator's face is white. Ashes white. His eyes are closed. His breathing is labor. He hardly looks alive. It seems impossible that this man will be able to vote. Yet here he comes, walking beside him. Doctor. I beg your pardon, sir. No, no, no. This is cbs. If your patient can spare you for just a moment, may we ask you a question? No, no, no. I'm sorry. I've got my hands full. I'm sorry. The doctor has gone past me, following the stretcher. Mrs. Grimes is just coming through the door now, her hands full of pillows. I'll try to. Mrs. Grimes, if you could stop just a minute. This is CBS. Could you tell us, Mrs. Grimes, is the senator any better? My husband is very ill. He's been brought here against the advice of his physician, but he insisted. He feels that he must be here, even if it means his life. Do you think he'll be able to vote? If his heart is as strong as his will, he will vote. Oh, I'm so sorry. I must go with him. Thank you, Mrs. Grimes. The senator's wife is going up to the caucus room now, and she. Wait a minute. I understand that Ken Roberts has at last been able to get Senator Henderson to the microphone. So over to Ken Roberts. Senator Henderson is standing beside me. Senator Henderson, have you made up your mind as to your vote? Will it be for conviction or acquittal? For the past two weeks, my life has been unbearable. I have been spied on, followed, hounded almost to death. I am a Republican. Yes, but, Senator, my desk is piled high with telegrams, Most of them calling for my vote for convictions. But I shall not be swayed by threats or bribes. Put your vote. Senator, how are you? I have in my hand a telegram. It is from my State, Missouri. From St. Louis. I will read it to you. There is intense excitement here. Meeting call for tomorrow night. Can your friends hope that you will vote for conviction? If so, all will be well. Signed, E. W Fox. Senator, I have already wired Mr. Fox by reply. Here it is. Say to my friends that I am sworn to do impartial justice according to law and evidence, and I will try to do it like an honest man. Does that mean, Senator Henderson, that You have decided it means that I shall follow my conscience and not my party. I shall vote for acquittal. Senator Henderson will vote not guilty. Back to the radio newsroom. This is Quincy Howe Henderson for acquittal. Ross still uncertain. Grimes here, but so ill that he may not have the strength to register his vote of not guilty. If Senator Grimes fails to answer his name when the vote is called, the Radical Republicans will have achieved their purpose. The conviction and removal of Andrew Johnson as President of the United States and the elevation of Benjamin Wade to that outfit. There's the bell. The Senate is reconvening. So over to John Daly at the doors of the Senate gallery. Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase has taken his place on the rostrum. Taps his gavel. Now for order. Every seat but one in the Senate chamber is filled. That one Senator Grimes chair is empty. Still empty. A little stirring in the seats. But the Chief justice is demanding and has gotten order. Will make proclamation. Hear ye, hear ye. All persons are commanded to keep silence on pain of imprisonment. While the Senate of the United States is sitting for the trial of the articles of impeachment against Andrew Johnson, President of the United States. The Senate is now going through the preliminary routine incident to its convening as a court of impeachment. The curtain is going up on one of the great dramas of our time. For the first time in our history, a President of the United States stands in peace, waiting for the historic verdict of the Senate. The stage is set and in a moment the preliminaries will be over. The business of the court will then be ready to begin. Mr. Chief Justice, Senator Williams of Oregon is calling for the floor. I move that the Chief justice, in directing the Secretary to read the several articles of impeachment, shall direct him to read the 11th article, first article, and thereafter the other 10 successively as they stand. The Radical Republicans have moved to consider the 11th article of impeachment first. Quincy Howe is here with me. Quincy, what do you think is behind behind this last minute maneuver? It looks like bad news for President Johnson. You see the 11th article, the so called Stevens article contains no specific accusations. It's a generalized article. Among other things, it accuses the President of having in some public speech or other denied the right of Congress to interfere in the internal affairs of the Southern states. Now this 11th article is known as the catch all article. If the Radical Republicans can snare a majority of senators into approving this 11th article, then the Johnson conviction seems almost certain. And now a vote is being taken. Those in favor signify by I. Those opposed signify by. No, no, no, in the majority. It is so ordered. The president's enemies have won another round. As the Senate adopts the order. Senator Edmonds of Vermont. Gentlemen, from Vermont. I move that the Senate now proceed to vote upon the articles according to the order of the Senate just deducted. And Senator Edmonds has just moved that the Senate proceed to vote immediately on the 11th article. Senator Fen of Maine. Gentlemen, from May, before the motion is made, I move that voting be postponed for half an hour. I understand the reason why I make this motion. The gentleman from Iowa, Mr. Grimes, is not in the chamber. I saw the gentleman last night and he told me that he should certainly be here this morning. It was his honorable member. Permit me to interrupt him for a moment. Johnson of Maryland. He's here. I have that one. He's on his way. He will be in the chamber at a moment. He's here. Grimes is in the Senate chamber. Senator Grimes is here. One of the rare victories for President Johnson. For his vote will surely be for a quittal. Two of the Capitol guards are carrying him to his seat on a stretcher. He seems to be unconscious. I don't see how Senator Grimes can vote. It looks impossible. Now back to the Chief Justice. The question is now the motion submitted by the Senator from Vermont. The motion will be read that the Senate now proceed to vote upon the articles according to the rules of the Senate. Is that an objection? It is so ordered. Before we proceed to the vote, by a direction of the Senate, the Chief justice admonishes the citizens and strangers in the galleries that absolute silence and perfect order are required. It will be a matter of unfeigned regret if any violation of the order of the Senate should necessitate the execution of its further order that the persons guilty of disturbance be immediately arrested. Senators, in conformity with the order of the Senate, the chair will now proceed to take the vote on the 11th article as directed by rules. The Secretary will read the 11th article, article 11. That said Andrew Johnson, President of the United States, unmindful of the high duties of his office and of his oath of office, and in disregard of the Constitution and laws of the United States, did heretofore bewitched on the 18th day of August. The clerk continues to read the familiar 11th article of impeachment, accusing the President of high crimes and misdemeanors. The crucial decision will come soon, and the scene below is one of somber tension. The senators listen to the monotonous voice of the clerk as it drones on the face Of Senator Ross of Kansas is impassive. Not a muscle moves. He just sits in his chair, staring forward, eyes unblinking, almost with the look of a man in an hypnotic state. What his thoughts may be, how his vote will be cast, is still the big question. The presidency of the United States may rest upon the vote that will be cast by this small, unassuming man from Kansas. Around the chamber are the other actors in this great drama. Sitting at the manager's table is Thaddeus Stevens, the Congressman from Pennsylvania, Majority Leader of the House, and perhaps the bitterest enemy of President Johnson. In this chamber today, no one will argue his claim to the title of father of Impeachment. Across the chamber from Stevens, in the front row is Charles Sumner, the Senator from Massachusetts and the most powerful of the Senate Radical Republicans. Behind Sumner, a few seats to his right, is Benjamin Wade, the Senator from Ohio, the man who, within a matter of minutes, may become President of the United States. Wade is nervously twirling a gold penknife from his watch chain. And he too is watching rust. Well, he's still expressionless, still motionless. He's still a sphinx, an imponderable and unknown. And now the clerk is just about to finish reading the 11th article. This is the hour, and remember, 36 votes will convict. 19 votes will acquit whereby the said Andrew Johnson, President of the United States, did then do it on the 21st day of February, A.D. 1868, at the city of Washington, commit and was guilty of a high crime and misdemeanor in office. The secretary will call the roll. Mr. Anthony. Mr. Senator Anthony, I'll say you. Is the respondent Andrew Johnson, President of the United States, guilty or not guilty of a high misdemeanor as charged in this article? Guilty. Fired. Not guilty. Buckle. Not guilty. Cameron. Guilty. Catal. Guilty. Chandler. Guilty. Cold. The voting is as expected. No surprises yet. Crumbling. Guilty. Finesse. Guilty. Corbett. Guilty. Reagan. Guilty. Davis. Not guilty. Dixon. Not guilty. Too little. Not guilty. Nine. Guilty. Five not guilty. Drake, Edmund. Guilty. Barry. Guilty. Essendon. Not guilty. Foul. Senator Fowler has voted guilty. This is a completely surprising thing. It's unexpected. His vote seems sure for a cripple. I'll say you repeat your vote. Not guilty. Or it was a misunderstanding. Senator Fowler did not speak distinctly. His vote is not guilty. He is for the triple. And the roll call now continues. Senator Grimes is next. Here's one of the crucial votes that make up the scales. The senator need not rise if he is unable. Chief Justice Chase has given Senator Grimes permission to vote from his seat. But Grimes is getting up. He is struggling to his feet. Refuses to vote. Seated. He's up now, standing, holding onto his desk for support. Not guilty. And the gallery, both those for the President and those against him are saluting the courage for bravery of Senator crimes. It must have been a superhuman effort. He drew himself up to his full height, stood a rest and proud a moment. And then, almost defiantly, he delivered his vote for acquittal. The vote is now 13 for conviction. 8 for acquittal. 36 are needed for conviction. 19 for acquittal. Now it's certain that the decisive vote will be that of Senator Ross of Kansas. The Secretary will proceed Harold G. Henderson as he announced he would. Senator Henderson has defied his party and voted for a question. Hendrick? Not guilty. Howard? Guilty. How guilty? Johnson? Not guilty. McCreary? Not guilty. Morgan. Guilty. Moral of Maine? Guilty. The vote now is 18 guilty. 12 not guilty. 36. 19 for acquittal. Senator Ross will cast the deciding vote. Morton. Guilty. Norton. Not guilty. Nilty Patterson of New Hampshire. Guilty. Patterson of Tennessee. Not guilty. Pomeroy. Guilty. Ramsay. Guilty. Ross. This is it. This is the deciding vote. Ross. Not guilty. Ross has voted not guilty. Ross has voted for a cripple. President Johnson is accepted for the vote on the first 10 articles. Will now be a mere formality. The impeachment fails and the President of this day, the Radical Republicans have lost. The man who followed Lincoln is still able to fight for Lincoln's dreams and policies. Andrew Johnson is exonerated in the policies of Abraham Lincoln. May 16, 1868. President Andrew Johnson is acquitted. And the first and only impeachment of a President of the United States. There.
Harold's Old Time Radio transports listeners back to the Golden Age of Radio, reenacting historical events with authenticity and dramatic flair. In the episode titled "You Are There 48-06-20 (35) Impeachment of Andrew Johnson," released on August 12, 2025, host Harold Old Time Radio immerses the audience in the pivotal moment of President Andrew Johnson's impeachment trial in 1868. This summary captures the essence of the episode, highlighting key discussions, insights, and the dramatic unfolding of events that led to Johnson's acquittal.
The episode begins by setting the stage in Washington, D.C., on May 16, 1868, a historic and tension-filled morning where President Andrew Johnson faces impeachment proceedings. John Daly, the narrator, anchors the listener in the Senate's radio newsroom, emphasizing the gravity of the moment:
[00:02] John Daly: "In less than half an hour on this historic and eventful morning of 16th May, 1868, Andrew Johnson, President of the United States, may be removed from office."
The narrative underscores the political climate post-Civil War, highlighting the conflict between Johnson's lenient Reconstruction policies and the Radical Republicans' desire for a stringent reintegration of Southern states.
The episode introduces crucial players in the impeachment saga:
Andrew Johnson: The incumbent President facing impeachment for "high crimes and misdemeanors."
Benjamin Wade: Senator from Ohio, poised to assume the presidency if Johnson is convicted.
Thaddeus Stevens: Congressman from Pennsylvania, a leading Radical Republican pushing for Johnson's removal.
Senator Reverty Johnson: A staunch supporter of the President, advocating for acquittal.
Senators Henderson (Missouri) and Ross (Kansas): The pivotal votes that could sway the Senate's decision.
The drama unfolds as the Senate convenes to deliberate Johnson's fate. Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase presides over the trial, and the tension is palpable as senators cast their votes. Highlights from the proceedings include:
Senate Preparations and Initial Sentiments (00:02 - 05:30):
Interviews and Perspectives (05:31 - 15:00):
Quincy Howe, a correspondent, discusses the shifting dynamics as the vote nears, highlighting the crucial undecided votes of Henderson and Ross.
Thaddeus Stevens vehemently expresses confidence in Johnson's conviction, emphasizing the need to uphold Republican principles in Reconstruction:
[12:45] "I shall vote against despotism until the last moment of the last hour of my life."
Senator Reverty Johnson counters Stevens' assertions, defending the President's actions and framing the impeachment as politically motivated:
[18:30] "Andy Johnson was never the man to draw back from a fight."
The Critical Votes (15:01 - 40:00):
[25:15] "I shall follow my conscience and not my party."
Clerk's Roll Call and Final Verdict (40:01 - 50:00):
[48:50] "Ross has voted not guilty."
The episode skillfully interweaves notable quotes that encapsulate the era's political strife:
Thaddeus Stevens on Impeachment Purpose:
"We have indisputable evidence of President Johnson's political malefaction."
Senator Henderson on Integrity:
"I shall vote for acquittal."
Chief Justice Chase's Protocol:
"All persons are commanded to keep silence on pain of imprisonment."
These quotes not only provide authenticity but also highlight the personal convictions and political strategies at play.
As the final votes are cast, the Senate falls short of the two-thirds majority needed to convict President Johnson. Senator Ross' vote of "not guilty" solidifies Johnson's acquittal, preserving his presidency and delaying the implementation of harsher Reconstruction policies proposed by the Radical Republicans. The episode concludes with a reflective narration:
"The impeachment fails and the President of this day, the Radical Republicans have lost. The man who followed Lincoln is still able to fight for Lincoln's dreams and policies. Andrew Johnson is exonerated in the policies of Abraham Lincoln."
This resolution underscores the episode's focus on the delicate balance of political power and the profound implications of impeachment on a nation's democratic foundations.
You Are There 48-06-20 (35) Impeachment of Andrew Johnson masterfully recreates a seminal moment in American history through immersive storytelling and detailed reenactment. By focusing on the procedural intricacies, personal convictions, and political machinations of the time, Harold's Old Time Radio offers listeners a comprehensive understanding of the impeachment's significance and its enduring impact on the United States' political landscape.