Egyptian Demon & Freemason Influence

Summary

Haunted Cosmos – “Egyptian Demon & Freemason Influence”
Episode Date: March 18, 2026
Host(s): Ben Garrett, Brian Sauvé
Guest: Taylor Johnson

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Episode Overview

In this riveting "Graveyard Shift" episode of Haunted Cosmos, hosts Ben Garrett and Brian Sauvé welcome guest Taylor Johnson to recount his personal, chilling encounter with the spectral and occult, centering on a mysterious, hooded figure near a Masonic temple. The trio explores the intersections of secret societies, generational curses, real-life spiritual warfare, and the visceral experience of encountering pure evil. The conversation delves into family history, perceived supernatural phenomena, and the importance of spiritual vigilance for Christians.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Taylor's Chilling Encounter Near a Masonic Temple

[05:47 – 13:47]

• Taylor describes a nighttime drive past a prominent Masonic temple in his city when, coincidentally, the podcast he’s listening to shifts topics to Freemasonry.
• He’s suddenly overwhelmed by a sense of dread, then spots a hooded figure walking in the darkness.
  • “As I get closer... it whips around and it kind of took a big step towards my vehicle, almost as if it was like lunging at me... the shocking part was that it didn’t have like, a person’s face... it was like a black hole with teeth.” (Taylor Johnson, 07:19–08:07)
• Taylor, startled, swerves away, narrowly avoiding the sidewalk, and flees the area.
• The figure didn’t pursue, and Taylor reflects on the heavy darkness in the area, noting the almost total absence of streetlights.

2. Immediate Aftermath and Family Revelations

[13:47 – 17:29]

• In the aftermath, Taylor tries to rationalize the event as a mask or optical illusion.
• Days later, his mother brings up, unprompted, the family’s Freemason lineage (grandfather), expressing that she’s been feeling compelled to pray over this aspect of their heritage.
  • “For the next couple of days, I didn’t say anything to anybody because I was... still convincing myself it must have been a mask.” (Taylor Johnson, 11:41)
  • His mother relates stories of unexplained "bad luck" and bizarre happenings in their family, wondering if these could be spiritual effects linked to Freemasonry oaths.
• Taylor later discusses the incident with a Christian counselor, who asks if there is any Freemason background in his family – an uncanny coincidence that unnerves Taylor.

3. The Phone Call & Terrifying Audio Phenomenon

[17:30 – 20:15]

• Taylor recounts calling his mother to recount the counselor’s question; as he speaks, her voice fades, replaced by a “deepest, most guttural scream” through the phone.
  • “Replacing her voice was this growing scream... like the deepest, most guttural scream I have ever heard.” (Taylor Johnson, 17:45)
• The phone glitches: the screen swipes, apps open and close rapidly.
• Taylor’s father, listening in, confirms: “The demonic screaming? Yeah, I heard that, dude... I started praying down angels.” (Taylor Johnson & Dad, 18:41–19:55)
• Both Taylor and his dad, typically sober-minded and not prone to sensationalism, agree the experience was truly inexplicable and demonic in nature.

4. Podcast Parallel & Further Confirmation

[22:35 – 25:49]

• Taylor, unsettled, prays for more understanding. Soon after, he listens to an episode of Astonishing Legends about the haunted Sally House, where the hosts play a notorious, unexplainable EVP (electronic voice phenomenon) capturing rage-filled, supernatural screams.
  • “I listened to the whole thing, and then that [EVP] came on, and I was like, boom. That’s what I heard…exactly what I heard.” (Taylor Johnson, 24:47)
• Taylor shares this with his (newly curious) pastor, who interprets it as confirmation to continue learning about spiritual warfare and occult influences.

5. Connecting Experience to Larger Patterns

[25:49 – 34:00]

• Ben draws connections between Taylor’s experience, ancient Egyptian and Greco-Hermetic traditions, and the esoteric lore of Freemasonry, suggesting that such societies may tap into (or attract) genuine supernatural entities.
• Notable reflections on how, post-incident, Taylor becomes hyper-aware of Masonic symbols in everyday life, leading to opportunities for prayer and evangelism.
  • “I never saw, like, Freemasonry stuff...since then, I’ve seen it for some reason, like, everywhere.” (Taylor Johnson, 33:02)

6. Spiritual Lessons, Exhortation, and Final Thoughts

[34:01 – End]

• Brian closes with a passionate exhortation against the allure of secret societies and Gnostic quests for hidden knowledge:
  • “My exhortation is just don't go through those doors. There is no knowledge or benefit... they only seek to steal, kill, and destroy. It’s the power of Christ that protects, even from the sins of forefathers.” (Brian Sauvé, 34:03)
• He reminds listeners that Christians are equipped for both offense and defense in spiritual warfare, citing 2 Corinthians 10:3–5.
• The episode concludes affirming the real presence and protection offered by Christ, the dangers of occult curiosity, and the value of spiritual discernment.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• The Encounter:
  “It was like a black hole with teeth.” (Taylor Johnson, 08:07)
• The Phone Phenomenon:
  “Replacing her voice was this growing scream... like the deepest, most guttural scream I have ever heard.” (Taylor Johnson, 17:45)
• Father’s Response:
  “Yeah, I heard the demonic screaming. I started praying down angels.” (Taylor's Dad via Taylor, 19:55)
• Supernatural Parallels:
  “It’s interesting... The whole Masonic tradition is this esoteric, like Hermes Trismegistus, Greek and Egyptian syncretism. If you look at the pantheon... there’s so many just straight-up monsters.” (Ben Garrett, 21:34)
• Warning Against Occult Curiosity:
  “There is no knowledge or benefit... only to seek to steal, kill and destroy. It’s the power of Christ that protects.” (Brian Sauvé, 34:03)
• On Persistent Occult Symbols:
  “Since then, I’ve seen [Masonic symbols]... everywhere. Maybe it’s more opportunities to share the gospel.” (Taylor Johnson, 33:02–33:59)

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Important Timestamps

• [05:47] – Taylor begins telling his story: passing the Masonic temple, encountering a hooded figure.
• [08:07] – Describes the creature: “black hole with teeth.”
• [13:47] – Family revelations about Freemason ancestry and generational spiritual effects.
• [17:45] – Terrifying phone incident: screaming replaces his mother’s voice.
• [18:41] – Father’s confirmation: “the demonic screaming.”
• [24:47] – EVP podcast parallel and confirmation.
• [34:01]–End – Exhortation on spiritual warfare and closing thoughts.

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Tone & Style

The conversation is candid, personable, and marked by a blend of humor, vulnerability, and serious reflection. While the hosts interject with banter and warmth, the gravity of Taylor's experience is treated with respect and theological depth. The episode encourages believers to be spiritually vigilant but also bold and confident in Christ's authority over evil.

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Summary Takeaway:
Taylor Johnson’s testimony weaves together personal spiritual phenomena, family history, and broader themes of occult influence and spiritual warfare. The episode serves as both a chilling account of supernatural encounter and an exhortation to Christians: stay vigilant, don’t seek secret knowledge from forbidden sources, and trust the power and protection of Christ in the face of real spiritual darkness.

Transcript

[Ben Garrett]

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[Taylor Johnson]

The topic switches to freemasonry and I could see this figure walking ahead of me on the sidewalk. I'm out.

[Ben Garrett]

And then you see this black hole teeth thing.

[Taylor Johnson]

And so I call him back and I'm like, hey, did you hear that? And my dad goes the demonic screaming. Yeah, I heard that, dude. And

[Brian Save]

foreign.

[Ben Garrett]

Hey, everybody. Welcome to this episode of the Graveyard Shift. My name is Ben Garrett, your host and I'm joined by my co host and good friend Brian Save.

[Brian Save]

I am. What I wanted to say something dramatic like, behold Destroyer Worlds. Did it not come off? No, dang it.

[Ben Garrett]

No, it really didn't.

[Brian Save]

So it made. So I didn't look really cool?

[Ben Garrett]

No. I mean, I guess Evan. I guess Evan's the judge of that.

[Brian Save]

Okay. Hey, listen, listeners like this video if you think I sounded really cool, comment if you also think I sounded really

[Ben Garrett]

cool, like, and subscribe if. If you don't think he sounded cool or if you do, any action you

[Brian Save]

take that's positive will take as I was cool. And any action that you take as negative will also be like, that is cool.

[Ben Garrett]

Okay. We're also joined by a special guest today. His name is Taylor Johnson. Taylor, say hello to the people.

[Taylor Johnson]

How you doing, everybody?

[Ben Garrett]

Yeah, see now that was cool. Hey, it was a bit of that Texas, like low key cool.

[Brian Save]

I'm right here.

[Ben Garrett]

I'm just saying you can take notes.

[Brian Save]

Ah, that's true. I need to be a little bit more like Taylor.

[Ben Garrett]

Yeah, yeah, I think we all do.

[Brian Save]

Okay, don't try so hard.

[Ben Garrett]

Now, everyone knows the rules. The graveyard shift is ideal if Brian has never heard the story and if I have forgotten the story, which in this case I have. So we are good to go. But before we hop into the story, we have an icebreaker question for Taylor so that we and the people can really get to know you.

[Brian Save]

Yeah. Need to know about you is going to be determined by this question.

[Ben Garrett]

And that that question is this. Now, I'm not going to say what city he lives in, but he does live in the state of Texas. And so the question is, what is your favorite American state. But you can't say Texas.

[Taylor Johnson]

I'm going to say I lived in Idaho. Loved Idaho.

[Ben Garrett]

Yeah, that's a really good answer.

[Brian Save]

Idaho is such an S tier state.

[Ben Garrett]

It really is.

[Brian Save]

It's amazing. It's got everything.

[Ben Garrett]

You got the Palouse, you got the sawtooth, you got. You got everything. There it is.

[Brian Save]

It's a beautiful climate.

[Ben Garrett]

Wood, Coeur d' Alene. Land o lakes. But like northern version.

[Taylor Johnson]

The northern part too.

[Ben Garrett]

Oh yeah.

[Taylor Johnson]

Boise. But yeah.

[Ben Garrett]

Heck yeah.

[Taylor Johnson]

Border Washington.

[Brian Save]

Oh, beautiful up there. So like so much rain and glory.

[Ben Garrett]

Like blood memories.

[Brian Save]

Utah, sad and dry.

[Taylor Johnson]

I've been to every state but Hawaii and Alaska, so I feel like I'm qualified to.

[Brian Save]

Yeah.

[Ben Garrett]

Wow, man. That was the. Providentially the perfect question.

[Brian Save]

That was. You tapped into it. Those are the skills right there.

[Ben Garrett]

Hey, glory be to God.

[Brian Save]

Yeah, Glory.

[Ben Garrett]

Okay, well, hey, let's hop right in.

[Brian Save]

Yeah.

[Ben Garrett]

We have a fascinating story here from Taylor. So Taylor, we're gonna let you take it away and Brian and I will try to interrupt minimally.

[Brian Save]

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[Ben Garrett]

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[Brian Save]

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[Ben Garrett]

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[Brian Save]

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[Ben Garrett]

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[Brian Save]

No mom jokes yet, but yeah, tons of drama.

[Ben Garrett]

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[Brian Save]

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[Ben Garrett]

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[Brian Save]

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[Ben Garrett]

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[Brian Save]

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[Ben Garrett]

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[Brian Save]

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[Taylor Johnson]

All right, so I will try to share as few details as possible without losing the important parts, because the details kind of make it so. About one and a half, two years ago now, I was driving downtown where I live, and where we live downtown has one of the biggest Masonic temples that you're ever going to see. Huge. And so I'm driving, it's nighttime. I'm listening to a podcast about something else. And for some reason, the podcast, the topic switches to Freemasonry. And then I look up and I just so happen to be passing the temple, like right at the same time. And this might sound kind of cliche, but as soon as that happened, like, the combination of it somehow kind of filled me with like this really strong feeling of dread. And I didn't really have too much background info on Freemasons, like, at the time. And so I wouldn't say that there was anything that I knew that would warrant feel like any kind of strong feelings one way or the other. And so I'm like, wow, that's like this really intense feeling. And so I pull off onto this side road that kind of runs parallel, and I could see this figure walking ahead of me on the sidewalk.

[Ben Garrett]

I'm out.

[Taylor Johnson]

And it had like a. It had a hoodie on, so I couldn't see like any features, anything like that. And remember, it's like nighttime. So I just see him in the headlights. And so as I get closer, I'm going pretty slow. I'm like, he's like five feet from the passenger side window. And when I get close to him, all of a sudden it like whips around and it was. It kind of like took a big step towards my vehicle, almost as if it was like lunging at me. Didn't hear any sound, anything like that. But the. The shocking part was that it didn't have like, a person's face.

[Brian Save]

Okay.

[Taylor Johnson]

Yeah, it did it have like a person's face. And like, the best way that I can describe it is that it was like a black hole with teeth.

[Ben Garrett]

Okay, now I have a cup. I I'm sorry. I know I just said we're not going to interrupt. I have a couple questions. One, did you turn onto that road because of the sense of dread, or was that just the way you were going?

[Taylor Johnson]

That's the way that I was going.

[Ben Garrett]

Okay.

[Taylor Johnson]

It was the gps.

[Ben Garrett]

Okay. Okay. So you're just, like. You're already going that direction. You pass the temple, the. The podcast changes. You start feeling uneasy, and then you see this black hole, teeth thing.

[Brian Save]

Black hole face, teeth. Black hole teeth, face thing.

[Ben Garrett]

Was this.

[Brian Save]

Was the temple? A Masonic Temple?

[Taylor Johnson]

Yes.

[Brian Save]

Okay. I thought so. I was just like, I'm Utah. I thought Mormons, and I just wanted to make sure I was following.

[Taylor Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ben Garrett]

Wow.

[Taylor Johnson]

Yep. Yeah, it was. It was pretty. It was pretty jarring. And like I said, I didn't hear anything, but it kind of, like, just the look of it, it almost gave me the impression that it was, like, screaming at me. Like it was yelling. And so I don't know if it was just, like, if it wasn't or if it was and I couldn't hear it, like, over the sound of, like, the. The podcast or, like, whatever. But, I mean, so it wasn't this at all, but the. For reference, it's almost like. Like a Demogorgon from Stranger Things.

[Ben Garrett]

Oh, yeah.

[Taylor Johnson]

Without the flaps, essentially. Yeah.

[Brian Save]

Yeah, A flapless Demogorgon.

[Ben Garrett]

So it's like. It's like the face is a hole, and then. And then it's like the whole face is filled with.

[Brian Save]

Let me do an artist rendition.

[Taylor Johnson]

Yeah, there you go.

[Ben Garrett]

Evan, can you carefully craft an artist rendition? So.

[Brian Save]

So that's insane.

[Ben Garrett]

You see this thing? You kind of get the sense that it's. You don't hear it, but it seems like it's screaming or it's at least upset with you. It's hooded. It's still, like, a hooded figure. And then what do you just, like, slam on the gas?

[Brian Save]

What'd you do?

[Ben Garrett]

Get out of Dodge?

[Taylor Johnson]

So it was coming up, like, he was, like, right at this spot where I was already turning to the left.

[Brian Save]

Yeah.

[Taylor Johnson]

And. And so I was already kind of, like, in the middle of a turn a little bit.

[Brian Save]

Yeah.

[Taylor Johnson]

And then when I saw it, I just, like, swung the wheel, like, way too far and almost, like, went up onto the sidewalk on the other side of the street. Yeah, yeah, but that's. So I just, like, overcorrected.

[Brian Save]

Can I do another artist rendition of what I would have done?

[Ben Garrett]

Well, no, I was gonna say good instincts.

[Brian Save]

Yeah.

[Ben Garrett]

To not stop.

[Brian Save]

Like, wait a second.

[Taylor Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ben Garrett]

So it's Insane. But you miss.

[Taylor Johnson]

And thankfully I wasn't moving. Like, thankfully I wasn't moving very fast.

[Ben Garrett]

Yeah, yeah.

[Taylor Johnson]

Like at that moment it must have been like 15, 20 miles an hour.

[Ben Garrett]

So you missed the sidewalk though, and you were able to just keep going and the thing just like stayed back, didn't pursue, nothing like that.

[Taylor Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. So I kept driving. And see the thing about that spot, because I thought back on it and the thing about that spot is it's really dark back there. There's not really any street lamps on that side, anything like that. And so it's like pitch black almost. And so I did look in the mirror and I didn't see anything, but I was like, it is possible that like without any lights on it, that it was just, you know, in the dark. Yeah, I couldn't see it, but. Because I did just keep going.

[Ben Garrett]

Yeah, that's one of the more terrifying things that I've heard firsthand that.

[Brian Save]

Yeah, that's why. Have you. What do you think it was like, is this a. Was it connected to the freemason stuff? Is it like, wow, there are demons around this place? Like, what do you think?

[Taylor Johnson]

So the first thing that I thought was, okay, like, obviously, you know, in the headlights, it's dark, whatever. There was either like some kind of optical illusion or this person had a mask or it was just trying to scare me, something like that. And so like I said, I didn't really know all that much about freemasonry stuff before that. And so for the next couple of days, I want to say like two or three days I didn't say anything to anybody because I was like, still convincing myself that it must have been a mask. I pretty sure like that's what I settled on. Right. And. But then like two or three days later, I'm at my parents house and my mom just like out of nowhere goes, hey, did you know that your grandpa was a freemason, dude? And I was like, I had heard like a couple things about that in the past, but didn't really know any details. And so she said, I don't know what it is. And she said, but over the past like week or so, I've been getting this really strong impression that I'm supposed to pray about that. Like pray like pray over that. Essentially.

[Ben Garrett]

This is your mom saying this to you, dude.

[Taylor Johnson]

So.

[Ben Garrett]

Mother's instinct.

[Taylor Johnson]

Yeah. So she, she starts telling me like a few details and about like how he left and like when he was there, all of that. And she said that something happened that caused him to leave. And. And that he won't share, like, what it is. And that because my whole mom's side of the family, they're not believers. She's the only believer on her side. And so he. Which is weird because apparently you can only get into the Freemasons if you believe in a higher power. Yeah, but he. He doesn't. And so she said that when something scares him, he kind of shuts down and refuses to talk about it.

[Ben Garrett]

Interesting.

[Taylor Johnson]

And. And so we don't really know exactly what happened. Even he wouldn't share it with my grandma either. And so then we were looking it up, kind of like researching it and things like that. And. And I might be off about some of this, but this is just from, you know, like, what I gather. Apparently there are certain oaths that they take sometimes where if you leave the Masons under certain circumstances, then you're essentially cursed and that. And that the. The spiritual effects can follow to members of your family down the line. What? Yeah, that's what. That's what I was told. That's at least what one of the oaths involves, whether, you know, how much of that is accurate or not. And so she was like, oh, but, you know, look at, you know, your, like, my side of the family. And. And the thing is about them is that, like I said, they're not believers, but their lives seem to have been marked by an unusual amount of bad luck. Like, we've thought that over the years, you know, not even making any kind of connection to anything other than, oh, just like, really bad luck. And. And then she said. And then she's like. I was wondering. She's like, I don't know, you know, how true any of this is, but she said, you know, you're a believer. And she said, so obviously, if there were any kind of, you know, negative spiritual effects, it's not going to affect you, like, in the same way. And she said. But she was like, I have to be honest. She was like, I have thought over the years that there are a lot of really weird, unexplainable things that happen to you. And. And I was like, that's interesting. And I was like, because I've thought that many times as well. And she's like, yeah, things that seem to be, like, almost outside of your control. And I was like. I was like, yeah, I was like, I have thought that. And so, long story short, I ended up telling her about what happened when I was driving by the. The temple. And she was like, oh. She's like, well, she's like, do you want to, like, talk about that with somebody? You know? And. And so I want to say, like, three, four days later or something like that. I'm talking to a. A guy who's affiliated with our church. He's like a Christian counselor about something else. And. And then I. How did it go? I said, yeah. He basically was just like, hey, like, do you have any freemasonry in your family line?

[Ben Garrett]

You just randomly asked that?

[Taylor Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. And I was just like, yeah, it's funny that you should ask that. And. And so I started. I started sharing, like, some of the details, and he was like, okay. He was like, because is like, I have, like, some experience with this, some background in this, and certain things that you've told me seem to kind of overlap with other people that I know who have either, like, come out of it, like, come out of Freemasonry or, you know, just somehow affiliated with it. And so it wasn't, you know, nothing really interesting happened. He was just like, okay. So, you know, you. If that's the case, you know, if there's, like, something, you know, affecting your family or whatever it is, he's like, let's just pray about it, you know, like, ask the Lord to remove it, like, take it away.

[Brian Save]

Yeah.

[Taylor Johnson]

So we just prayed. Like, I said, nothing happened. But then this is where it gets really weird. So I know the.

[Brian Save]

I know it hasn't gotten really weird yet.

[Taylor Johnson]

Organ was pretty interesting.

[Ben Garrett]

Now it's child's play. This.

[Taylor Johnson]

This kind of, like, brought it home, that there was, like, something real going on and what. However that looks. So I'm driving back to my house, and I call my mom, and I'm like, hey. I was like, you wouldn't believe what the counselor just, like, pulled out of nowhere. Um, and she was like, Freemasonry. And she was like. She just had, like, you know, she just had this sense that, like, that's what it was. And so I was, like, telling her, like, what we had talked about. And. And then it was almost as if, like, her voice started fading into the background. Like, her voice started getting quieter and quieter and quieter. And I'm, like, checking the volume on my phone, and I'm like, that, you know, something not normal is happening with the. My phone. And then. But, like, replacing her voice was like, this growing scream. Oh, dude. It was like the. It was like the deepest, like, most guttural scream no I have ever heard. And so I was like, okay, this. I was like, this has to be, like, static like, like something, you know, this isn't a scream. Whatever. I'm looking. So I look at my phone and the screen is swiping like right to left. And like apps are opening and closing. And I can hear the scream still, like through the speaker. And so I hang up. Like I hit the power button. It turns off. Turn it back on. And I didn't know that my dad had been listening to the phone call. And so I call him back and I'm like, hey, did you hear that? And my dad goes, the demonic screaming? Yeah, I heard that, dude. And. And I was like. I was like, okay. And I was like, it was. It sounded like a scream. I was like, it wasn't just me and he. See, the thing about my dad is that he is. I mean, he grew up Southern Baptist. Yeah. Like, he's not somebody who looks for, you know, super spiritual, not like a

[Brian Save]

wild Pentecostal kind of tradition.

[Taylor Johnson]

Right. Yeah, right, exactly. And he's. Yeah, he's not looking for things like that. He's going to assume there's like a natural explanation. But like his first thing was. Yeah, he's like, I heard the demonic screaming. And he goes, I don't know what that was. And he's like, but I heard that. And he was like, I started praying down angels.

[Brian Save]

Dude, good dad.

[Ben Garrett]

Dude, good dad response. That's crazy.

[Brian Save]

He's like calling in airstrikes. Michael, we're going to need you right now. There's a. There's a freemasonry demon. He's a flapless demogorgon. We're going to need you to strike. 3, 2, 1. Target engagement.

[Ben Garrett]

That's like the Taylor. Have you ever seen Skinwalker Ranch?

[Brian Save]

I was gonna ask the same thing.

[Ben Garrett]

Okay. Do you remember the part where they're at the mesa with Thomas Winterton? Thomas Winterton and the guy, he's some kind of like guest that they have on to test stuff. And his phone is going now there's no screams. That's an added, like terrifying detail.

[Brian Save]

Right.

[Ben Garrett]

But his phone is like wigging out, doing a similar thing, opening apps and swiping and turning itself. It turned itself off and back on again at one point. Like crazy how it interferes with that electromagnetism and stuff like that.

[Brian Save]

And they had even more where the phone would like all of a sudden do this weird line thing. And they could only replicate it by bringing the phone close to an extremely powerful magnet.

[Ben Garrett]

Yes.

[Brian Save]

It was like multiple technology related things and they never explained it.

[Ben Garrett]

That was the same time that Travis Taylor, he Got all swimmy headed and he was like about to pass out

[Brian Save]

and no one else.

[Ben Garrett]

There was a bunch of people around and no one else was feeling it. And he was literally pass. Passing out.

[Brian Save]

And then he got radiation burns.

[Ben Garrett]

Yeah, yeah, I forgot that.

[Brian Save]

Did you get radiation burns?

[Taylor Johnson]

I did not.

[Ben Garrett]

Okay, well, that's good. Yeah, that's good.

[Brian Save]

I'm glad to hear that.

[Ben Garrett]

It's interesting, like, kind of going back to the Demogorgon thing. The whole Masonic tradition is this esoteric, like Hermes, Trismegistus, Greek and Egyptian syncretism. And if you look at some of the pantheon, especially in the Egyptian tradition, there's so many just straight up monsters, terrifying monsters. If you were to see them, you would think that is a terrifying monster. It's like Lovecraftian. And it's crazy how you're passing this esoteric place and you see a cloaked being, this humanoid chimera monster thing. That really does. Like, if you. It doesn't. It's not a big leap to think that that's what, you know, that's what the Egyptians were seeing when they were doing these rites and rituals. And that's crazy to me how it was like that explicit of a connection for you. That's. That's wild.

[Taylor Johnson]

Yeah, it was. Yeah. Unlike. Both of those experiences were nothing that I had a reference point for.

[Brian Save]

Yeah.

[Taylor Johnson]

Yeah. But, yeah. And then what was interesting was, you know, my mind is still at that point thinking that there has to be, you know, like some kind of other explanation. Like I'm trying to explain it away. And. And so I forget what the podcast was. But like, that day, the rest of the day, I was. I was praying about it and I was thinking, okay, like, Lord, if there is something that you. If this was, you know, a spiritual thing and there is anything else that you, you know, want me to know or you want to reveal. I was like, then, you know, like, let me know. And like the next day I was listening to a podcast and it's. It's popular. I'm trying to. What was it? I can't remember which one it was, but there's a guy on there and he. They go and they investigate, you know, spiritual stuff, and they always start the episode saying that they don't believe in the supernatural and that everything has a logical explanation. And the guy. And they've done hundreds, possibly like thousands of episodes. It's a big one. And the guy starts the episode by saying, he's like, okay, guys. He's like, I don't know exactly what happened. He's like, but he's like, I want you guys to know that I had an experience. And he's like, I'm still trying to figure out exactly what it was, but I believe in the supernatural now. Wow. And he was like. He was like, so he's like, I'm on a journey, basically. And. And he said, there is a recording that I'm going to play at the end of this episode. And he's like. He's like, don't want to be dramatic. And he was like, but as you. As I said, it changed my perspective on the supernatural. And he's like, so listen at your own discretion.

[Ben Garrett]

Was it astonishing Legends?

[Taylor Johnson]

I think it was.

[Ben Garrett]

When they went to the Sally House.

[Brian Save]

Was it the Sally House?

[Taylor Johnson]

That's what it was.

[Brian Save]

The evp, dude.

[Taylor Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ben Garrett]

Was that what it sounded like on the phone?

[Taylor Johnson]

That's what it's.

[Ben Garrett]

Okay. Sorry, sorry.

[Brian Save]

Whoa, bro, let him cook.

[Ben Garrett]

Sorry.

[Taylor Johnson]

That. Yeah. So I listened to the whole thing, and then that came on, and I was like, boom. I was like, that's what I heard, dude. I was like, that's exactly what I heard. And. And then I. I went and I talked to my pastor and wanted to tell him, and he was like, okay. He's like, that's very interesting. He said, because he's like. Two or three months ago, he was like, I got the impression that I was supposed to start, like, learning more about this stuff. And. And he said, I have been. I have been learning about it, and things have been coming to me. Like, information's being presented to me without me, you know, like, going to. Searching it out. And he said, but he's like, you were the first person since then to come to me and tell me about, like, an experience that you've had. And he was like. So he was like, that's crazy. And he's like, thank you. He's like, I'm kind of taking that as, like, confirmation that I'm supposed to, like, continue, like, learning more about this stuff.

[Ben Garrett]

Wow.

[Taylor Johnson]

Interesting.

[Ben Garrett]

Well, yeah, I mean, it's.

[Brian Save]

It's a whole.

[Ben Garrett]

I. If you ask me, it's a whole aspect of even pastoral ministry that kind of. In our modern day, where, you know, we have fallen victim to some of the material materialism, even in the church. Like, I think that's an aspect of pastoral ministry that's. That's generally neglected, or maybe not neglected without with any malice, but just kind of, like, glossed over, not really thought about, kind of ignored out of ignorance, you know, more than anything else. That's really fascinating, man. I mean it, man. I lost my train of thought. I. There was something else that I thought of when you were saying that, but.

[Brian Save]

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[Ben Garrett]

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[Brian Save]

So we kind of buried the lead a little bit on it. The story behind the podcast episode is that Scott Philbrook and Forrest Burgess, who are the co hosts of Astonishing Legends, they go to Atchison, Kansas.

[Taylor Johnson]

Yeah.

[Brian Save]

And there's this house that's allegedly haunted. They tell the whole Story of it. We've done episodes on it, on the house, and some of the. It is crazy, some of the stories. But they had this one digital recorder. It's an early digital recorder, and ghost hunters swear by it. You get great EVPs with this. They say, electronic voice phenomenon. Don't do this, by the way. Don't go ghost hunting. Don't try to talk to demons. It's bad. It's all bad. I would have told Scott this too, Scott Philbrook, if he asked me. Scott, call me up. Can I call you Scott? I feel like we're friends, but they. They basically did this. They put the recorder on a table. They said, hey, you know, Sally, we want to talk to you. Do you want to have a message for us? I'm going to leave this recorder here, talk into it, and I'm going to leave the room. You hear him step out of the room, close the door. And then there's like eight or three minutes of the recorder being in voice activation mode.

[Ben Garrett]

Right.

[Brian Save]

Which only turns on when it registers sound.

[Ben Garrett]

Yeah.

[Brian Save]

And then you just hear this. They go over it. They. They literally send it to a forensic audiologist who works for like the FBI and have it analyzed. And he says, I can't replicate it in the recorder. I don't know how this sound got in, but what it sounds like is that it blew out the microphone, that it was the air moving, not just digital interference, which makes no sense because they were around. They were in the house when it happened, not in the room. And they know that there was no sound in that room. And the sound is like the most rage filled, guttural screaming mixed with this weird garbled sound of almost like a hundred people talking at the same time.

[Ben Garrett]

Yeah.

[Brian Save]

Don't go listen to it. It's actually probably horrible. And it's. I think it's demons.

[Ben Garrett]

It's horrifying to listen to, but it

[Brian Save]

is wild that you would hear that and go, that's what I heard, man.

[Ben Garrett]

Yeah.

[Brian Save]

That's terrifying because that's one of the only things I've ever listened to that genuinely scared me.

[Taylor Johnson]

Yeah.

[Brian Save]

Because I listened to it and I was like, this is. That was a demon.

[Ben Garrett]

I remember when I first heard it. I've told this story before, I think, on the show. I was at work, I was an engineer at the time, and I was just listening to the podcast in the background while I'm writing away at a report or something like that. And that came on and I literally stopped and went outside and was praying.

[Brian Save]

Yeah.

[Ben Garrett]

Because I Was like, no, that's messed up, dude.

[Brian Save]

And Scott had the same experience. That was a moment in his life. I hope that he comes to know Christ, because that was a moment in his life where it became like, yeah. Is the supernatural real? I don't know. I'm a real skeptic, too. It's real. He said, I don't care if somebody else thinks that they can explain that recording. We've tried everything. They went to ham radio specialists, everybody and said, what is this? They said, we don't know. That's a demon. And he was like, I don't care if anybody else tells me. I think it was this. I know it was a demon. I know that it was this.

[Ben Garrett]

There was also the added kind of baggage, and this is similar to your mom and dad interacting through this with you, Taylor. Like, Scott had his son with him on the trip. Now, his son was not in the house, but he was like, my son was in danger. Like, he, like, ran out of the house and he refused to go back in. That's an amazing story. And, I mean, one of the positives is just the testament to kind of the awareness of your parents and praying for you and being there for you, and even, like, that motherly instinct to just to listen for, like, what is my son needing me to pray for right now? Yeah, the spirit leads. Yeah. Like, that kind of covenantal power, negatively with your grandfather in the Masons, but then positively with your own mom and dad. Praise God for that. That's amazing.

[Brian Save]

Was there anything else to this or anything else happened since then or any other layers to it?

[Taylor Johnson]

No, I was just thinking that I was glad that there was somebody else who was there to hear what I heard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that they can always be like, yep, that definitely happened.

[Brian Save]

That happened.

[Ben Garrett]

Yeah.

[Taylor Johnson]

I was there. The only other thing I can think of which isn't, you know, necessarily anything is that I never saw, like, Freemasonry stuff, symbolism, anything like that. Just growing up. And, like, since then, I've seen it for some reason, like, everywhere.

[Ben Garrett]

Yeah.

[Taylor Johnson]

Yeah. And if I pull up to the gas station and in front of me is a giant. Like, the whole windshield of this guy's car is the Masonic temp.

[Ben Garrett]

Yeah.

[Taylor Johnson]

Symbol.

[Ben Garrett]

Yeah.

[Taylor Johnson]

And. And so, yeah, I told my pastor that, and he was like. He's like. Well, he's like, maybe it's just now that you know that something like this is real for people, then it's like, opportunities to pray. Opportunities. More opportunities to share the gospel, you know, things like that.

[Brian Save]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ben Garrett]

Amen yeah.

[Brian Save]

Well, can I close this out?

[Ben Garrett]

Go ahead.

[Brian Save]

Before we end. Thanks. Thanks, Taylor, so much for your time. We really appreciate it. I just want to leave our audience with an exhortation on this because this stuff can be really interesting. One of the lures of the Freemasonry of the esoteric is this promise of secret knowledge. It's the Gnostic, you know, I will whisper secret, powerful truths into your ear if you will. Just take the. Go through the next door of initiation and the next rite and take the next vow and come into the next inner ring of spiritual influence and higher up the echelons. And this is Freemasonry. This is how they get you in this big front door and then they bring you up through it. And my exhortation and admonition is just don't go through those doors. There is no knowledge of benefit. There is no spiritual power on the other side of those doors that are going to serve you. They only seek to steal, kill and destroy. And they promise what they can't deliver. You see it even in this story, that it's the power of Christ that protects a line even from the sins of forefathers. And the demons keep trying to get in, but if we will trust the Lord and keep the door closed, then they have no real power over us. So keep taking up the sword of the Spirit, wear the full armor of God, but when you do, maybe the Lord in his providence weaves something like this into your story. Know that Christians, we don't just play defense, we play offense. Like 2 Corinthians 10, 3, 5 says that we don't, you know, we're not just wrestling with spiritual, you know, with physical things, but we have divine power to tear down strongholds and dismantle every lofty argument raised against the knowledge of God. So don't fear, don't go through the door, but also don't live in fear. The demons should fear the Christian. The demons should fear Christ, who is our king. So we hope that this was helpful and that at even points, you. What do we do with a story like this? That's what we do. We pray against the strongholds of Satan and we make war in the, in the spiritual places by faith and, and by the grace of God. So thanks for listening, guys. We hope this was a good episode for you. Thanks again to our guests for, for joining us and giving us this time. And we'll catch you in the next graveyard shift.

[Taylor Johnson]

Sa.