Here's Where It Gets Interesting: "Make Magic with Brad Meltzer"
Release Date: March 10, 2025
Host: Sharon McMahon
Guest: Brad Meltzer
Introduction to Brad Meltzer and His Work
In this engaging episode of "Here's Where It Gets Interesting," host Sharon McMahon welcomes her good friend and prolific author, Brad Meltzer. Renowned for his ability to intertwine history with thrilling narratives, Meltzer discusses his latest projects, offering listeners a glimpse into his creative process and the inspirations behind his books.
Exploring Brad Meltzer’s Latest Projects
Brad Meltzer delves into his recent works, particularly highlighting "Make Magic" and "JFK Conspiracy." He shares insights into his writing routine, humorously addressing the seemingly endless stream of projects he juggles.
Brad Meltzer [03:10]: "Every time I talk to him, I'm like, are you just sitting at your house writing books all day?"
"Make Magic": A Commencement Address Turned Bestseller
A significant portion of the conversation centers around Meltzer's book "Make Magic," which originated from a powerful commencement address delivered by his co-author, Tanya Moseley. Moseley recounts the unexpected viral success of her speech, which emphasized empathy and kindness.
Tanya Moseley [15:01]: "If you really want to change the world, unleash your kindness."
The duo explains how this speech resonated deeply with audiences, leading to overwhelming demand for a written version. They transformed the address into an inspiring art book aimed at fostering empathy and kindness in daily life.
Conceptualizing Magic in Life and Leadership
Moseley elaborates on the theme of magic as a metaphor for creating memorable and impactful experiences. Drawing parallels between magic tricks and life's challenges, she emphasizes the importance of transforming fear into empathy.
Tanya Moseley [13:22]: "The hard part of showing empathy is just thinking that you are more empathetic."
The Art of Making History Engaging
Brad Meltzer and Tanya Moseley discuss their collaborative approach to writing history-infused thrillers. They focus on making historical narratives as captivating as modern thrillers, ensuring that readers are both educated and entertained.
Brad Meltzer [36:54]: "You have a really fantastic way, you and Josh, of writing stories from history in a way that feels like you're reading a thriller novel where you are just like, I gotta know what's gonna happen."
Deep Dive into “JFK Conspiracy”
The conversation takes a thrilling turn as Meltzer introduces "JFK Conspiracy," an installment in the Meltzer-Mensch conspiracy series. The book explores a lesser-known assassination plot against JFK, intertwining real historical events with suspenseful fiction.
Tanya Moseley [32:18]: "What I love about it, you know, we all know Lee Harvey Oswald and the big plot that kills JFK, of course, but this is a plot before that..."
Moseley highlights the intricate relationship between JFK and Jackie Kennedy, portraying Jackie as a complex and resilient figure who actively shaped her legacy.
Tanya Moseley [40:21]: "She's a member of the press, actually, when she started, she was a reporter back in her younger days."
Reflections on Empathy and Kindness in Today’s Society
A recurring theme in the episode is the importance of empathy and kindness, especially in a world often dominated by negativity and conflict. Moseley shares personal anecdotes illustrating how small acts of kindness can have profound impacts.
Tanya Moseley [22:26]: "We have to fight ... to bring out the empathetic, beautiful side of ourselves."
Meltzer adds to this discussion by examining the disconnect between society's desire for a kinder world and the prevalent culture of takedowns and negativity.
Brad Meltzer [20:38]: "What do you think about this disconnect between what we feel like we want? You know, like we want smarter, kinder, more empathetic, genuine world, and yet we love the takedowns."
Anecdotes and Personal Stories: Magic and Empathy in Action
Moseley recounts a heartwarming story involving her daughter and comedian Seth Meyers, demonstrating how humor and unexpected moments can teach valuable life lessons.
Tanya Moseley [06:02]: "...and he said, is your daughter home tomorrow morning? He said, yeah, he says, I'm coming over for brunch."
These personal stories underscore the episode's emphasis on creating magical moments through empathy and genuine connections.
Reflections on Fame, Safety, and the American Dream
The dialogue shifts to a critique of the modern American Dream, juxtaposing the allure of fame, beauty, and power with the authentic kindness exemplified by everyday heroes. Moseley reflects on her own experiences of hardship and the profound impact of simple acts of mercy.
Tanya Moseley [44:55]: "And this woman was showing us. And when you were telling that story, it's funny, I never saw celebrity or fame as safety. I always associated safety with what Mercy was doing, was kindness."
They discuss how historical figures like Jackie Kennedy and JFK serve as mirrors reflecting society's evolving values and fears.
Brad Meltzer [43:07]: "The siren song of celebrity and money and fame and power... represents safety... the human desire for safety."
Conclusion: Inspiring Readers through History and Kindness
As the episode wraps up, Meltzer and Moseley emphasize the power of storytelling in inspiring empathy and kindness. They advocate for a nuanced understanding of historical figures, urging readers to look beyond surface-level narratives to appreciate the complexities of human nature.
Tanya Moseley [49:20]: "If you want to feel good, pick up Make Magic and just read any page in there."
Meltzer encourages listeners to explore their books to gain deeper insights into historical conspiracies and the enduring legacy of iconic figures like Jackie Kennedy.
Brad Meltzer [50:05]: "If you love history, it's just a slice into the Kennedy life that you've never seen..."
Notable Quotes
- Brad Meltzer [03:10]: "Every time I talk to him, I'm like, are you just sitting at your house writing books all day?"
- Tanya Moseley [15:01]: "If you really want to change the world, unleash your kindness."
- Tanya Moseley [13:22]: "The hard part of showing empathy is just thinking that you are more empathetic."
- Brad Meltzer [36:54]: "You have a really fantastic way... of writing stories from history in a way that feels like you're reading a thriller novel..."
- Brad Meltzer [20:38]: "What do you think about this disconnect between what we feel like we want? ... and yet we love the takedowns."
- Tanya Moseley [22:26]: "We have to fight ... to bring out the empathetic, beautiful side of ourselves."
- Tanya Moseley [44:55]: "I always associated safety with what Mercy was doing, was kindness."
- Tanya Moseley [49:20]: "If you want to feel good, pick up Make Magic and just read any page in there."
Final Thoughts
"Make Magic with Brad Meltzer" is a compelling episode that blends historical intrigue with heartfelt discussions on empathy and kindness. Through personal stories and insightful analysis, Meltzer and Moseley inspire listeners to seek magic in everyday moments and to foster a more compassionate society.
For those eager to delve deeper into these themes, Brad Meltzer's books, "Make Magic" and "JFK Conspiracy," are must-reads that promise both intellectual stimulation and emotional resonance.