BTK Killer: Chasing the Tingle | History Hyenas

Summary

History Hyenas: "BTK Killer: Chasing the Tingle" (Oct 16, 2025)

Hosts: Chris Distefano & Yannis Pappas
Theme: A hilarious and disturbing deep dive into Dennis Rader, the BTK ("Bind, Torture, Kill") killer—his psyche, upbringing, crimes, and cultural legacy, blending dark historical facts with the hosts’ trademark irreverent comedy.

---

Episode Overview

Chris and Yannis explore the chilling story of Dennis Rader, the BTK Killer. With humor and insight, they dissect his psychological makeup, debate the nature vs. nurture argument, dive into the details of his crimes, and riff on what makes a serial killer “tick.” They also question society's fascination with true crime, discuss the evolution of serial killers in the age of technology, and sprinkle in some off-the-wall personal stories, banter about masculinity and fear, and reflections on faith.

---

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Dennis Rader (BTK Killer): Psychological Profile

• Not a Typical Serial Killer Childhood:

  • Yannis notes, "We don't... There's no evidence that we found that he had, you know, your typical serial killer childhood. He was never abused..." [03:02]
  • Chris clarifies, “He did, he did toy around with...torturing animals, I think.” [03:29]
  • Conclusion: Unlike many serial killers, Rader lacked obvious childhood trauma, leading Chris to categorize him as "just born bad, 100% psychopath." [03:37]

• Nature vs. Nurture Debate:

  • Chris links environment to criminality: “Your environment has a lot to do with who you are... your environment is kind of a parent of yours.” [18:00]
  • They riff on boring environments sparking dysfunction: “He just lived in Wichita, Kansas. So you get bored, you want to kill people.” [17:38]

• Boredom and Escalation:

  • Chris posits, “I really think boredom... combination of nature, nurture. He was just in Kansas. This kid had a lot of time on his hands...” [41:33]
  • “He just kept chasing the tingle.” [42:21] — The episode's titular theme.

2. BTK’s Modus Operandi

• Criminal Methods:

  • “He would break into their house, tie them up, bind, torture, then kill them...” [22:09]
  • “He was a meticulously compulsive control freak... He would lace the place with audio equipment...he wanted to hear the suffering...” [23:41]
  • Would avoid homes with big dogs: “He would pick no dogs.” [24:30]

• Getting Caught:

  • BTK’s cockiness led to his downfall: “He says to the FBI agent... is there any way to trace a floppy disk back to me? Be honest. So the FBI’s like... no, absolutely no way... But of course there was.” [48:27]
  • His own daughter's DNA, collected from a pap smear at Kansas State University, provided the match that led to his arrest. [48:38-49:16]

3. Social Mask & Family Life

• “He had a wife, two kids, was as normal as normal could be, that people were genuinely shocked when they found out that this was the guy.” [35:33]
• Yannis references the Netflix doc, noting the plausible deniability of Rader’s family: “I do actually believe that the children didn’t know their dad was BTK... they saw signs, but their brains just chose to not accept...” [14:23]

4. Serial Killers & Culture

• True Crime Fascination:

  • Chris wonders, “Is it that [Netflix, podcasts] are doing that [glorifying criminals], or are they fulfilling a very big demand in the marketplace? True crime is massive.” [51:29]
  • Yannis: “I think it’s probably like anything else in life... lies a little bit in the nuance.” [51:58]

• Serial Killers and Technology:

  • “Have you noticed that there are no more serial killers? ...Because of DNA and surveillance and things like that.” [57:58]

5. Humor, Personal Stories & Notable Moments

• Paranoid Childhoods & Fear:

  • Yannis recounts his inability to sleep alone: “If Jazz and the kids went away on a trip, I would not sleep in my house alone. I would get a hotel.” [05:24]
  • Chris: “You also look like a guy that no killer would ever target.” [28:39]

• Masculinity and Appearance:

  • “If a girl was at my door, I would just open the door and not care. But if I saw that it was a guy, a relatively handsome UPS guy, I would...freshen up...” [07:05]

• Philosophy and Faith:

  • Yannis, in a mock-motivational burst: “You have to live immediately, okay? ...There are no solutions in life...there are only trade offs...you have to do one thing and one thing only, and that is return to Jesus Christ and find faith.” [08:21]

• Comedic Roasting of Other Serial Killers:

  • On Richard Ramirez (The Night Stalker): “He looks like Satan...his breath was so bad...” [34:48, 35:00]

• Creative Naming and Banter:

  • Riffing on BTK’s process of choosing his moniker: “He probably sat there...I’m the pantyhose man. No...that won’t slap.” [50:39]
  • “Serial killers...are kind of like the late night set. It’s just...had its time.” [57:05]

---

Notable Quotes & Moments

• "Let's just say this kid's roof fully blown off. I mean, let's just say this kid lived in an open air prison." – Chris Distefano [02:43]
• “I’m gonna start calling this kid Helen Hunt because he had a twister, Rol. I mean, this kid had a twister that blew his roof off.” – Yannis Pappas [03:01]
• "He wanted to hear the suffering so he could relive it...constantly go there and just jerk off to it." – Chris Distefano [24:07]
• “The more you were scared, the more, the worse it got for you. Right. Harder he got...then he would jerk off and come on the bodies.” – Yannis Pappas [23:15]
• "He was so meticulous and data driven that he wanted to rehearse what he was going to do." – Chris Distefano [43:00]
• "He was a bad kid. He got off actually on the pain. That's what turned him on was their fear and their pain." – Chris Distefano [44:07]
• “All the stories come from human flaws, from emotions, from the gods laughing at our mortality.” – Chris Distefano [53:59]
• “If you want to see that, the new serial killers you can just go to Kill Tony.” – Yannis Pappas [58:32]

---

Important Timestamps

• Intro, show update/banter: ~00:45-02:00
• Discussing BTK's background & psychological makeup: 02:16–04:50
• Nature vs. Nurture and serial killers: 17:38, 18:00, 41:33
• BTK and his family, trophy collecting, and his secret life: 14:23–16:00
• On pets as deterrents, dog stories: 24:22
• BTK’s capture, forensic details, DNA/evidence collection: 48:27–49:18
• Taunting police, the infamous floppy disk: 48:27–51:02
• True Crime and culture, tech impact on killers: 51:29, 57:58
• Climactic reflection on faith and society: 56:29
• Comic riff on serial killers as stand-up comedians: 58:17–58:32

---

Overall Tone

Irreverent, fast-paced, outrageously funny, and profoundly dark. Chris and Yannis toggle between absurdist asides, hard-hitting true crime analysis, wild personal confessions, and occasional genuine philosophical reflection. They chew on the horror and weirdness of serial killers but always bring it back to a very human—and uniquely Hyenas—take on fear, masculinity, and the chaos of life.

---

Takeaways

• Dennis Rader, despite outward normalcy, was a meticulous, narcissistic serial killer who exemplifies “born psychopathy.” His case raises questions about nature vs. nurture, the mask of normalcy, and society’s unending appetite for stories of horror.
• The BTK story provides a lens through which to examine fear, masculinity, and the modern world’s mitigation of serial killers through technology.
• The hosts’ blend of humor and history provides both comic relief and meaningful insight, punctuated by big laughs and dark truths.

---

If you’re curious about the darkest corners of human psychology—and aren’t afraid to laugh at the madness—this episode is essential (and hilarious) listening.

Transcript

[Chris Distefano]

Arc Raiders, a multiplayer extraction adventure video game set in a lethal yet vibrant future earth. As a raider scavenging the remnants of a derelict world, you settle into an underground settlement. Hoping to thrive. You jump on the chance to start over. But doing so means you must return to the surface where ark machines roam and survivors motives remain dangerously unclear. But if you're brave enough, who knows what you might find.

[Yannis Pappas]

Play the server slam open test from.

[Chris Distefano]

10-17-19 on PlayStation 5, Xbox Series XS and PC. What's up, everybody? We got a great episode today about Dennis Raider, the BTK killer and how he had a fully blown roof off. We do a psychological profile on him and have a lot of fun right now. Catch us. You must know our fans. We are going to be live November 12th at the Crown Hill theater in Brooklyn at the New York Comedy Festival.

[Yannis Pappas]

Our biggest live show ever.

[Chris Distefano]

Yes. So get your tickets at history hyenas pod or history hyenas is back.com youm can see me on the road this weekend in Toronto and then next weekend in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Cute.

[Yannis Pappas]

And you could see me next weekend in Richmond, Virginia and Atlanta at the Tabernacle. So go to Christy comedy.com or really just go to hist back.com or historianispod.com for all the dates. Now get yourself some rope and some duct tape and listen to our episode about the BTK Killer. What's up, everybody? Welcome to another episode of History Hyenas. We have a good pretty wild episode for you today. We're going to be just. You're not going to want to listen to this one alone. You're going to want a friend. You're going to want all the lights on because I know if this was me and I heard this episode alone, I'd be scared to go down in the basement.

[Chris Distefano]

This episode is going to make you want to get a big dog.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

If you're a woman or you live with your mom and you're a woman or if you identify as a woman, you don't want to live alone.

[Yannis Pappas]

You don't want to live alone because who could be lurking and who I'm actually still afraid of because as you.

[Chris Distefano]

Know, me and the Maurice Wiggins stockings trying to do relive. Btk.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah, it's the BTK Killer, Dennis Lynn Raider. And that's actually making me nervous because my mother's name is Lynn and so is the BTK Killer's middle name is Dennis Lynn Raider.

[Chris Distefano]

All of this killing. We're going to talk about his psychological profile today because that's the most interesting part about it, let's just say this kid's roof fully blown off. I mean, let's just say this kid lived in an open air prison. Let's just say that this kid was more west coast, open concept, indoor outdoor living.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

Roof really was not pertinent to his situation.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah, I'm going to start calling this kid Helen Hunt because he had a twister, Rol. I mean, this kid had a twister that blew his roof off. And the interesting thing about Dennis Raider, AKA the BTK Killer, AKA the BTK Cutie, is we don't. There's no evidence that we found that he had, you know, your typical serial killer childhood. He was never abused, he never lit animals on fire. He never wanted to eat black people. He didn't do any of that.

[Chris Distefano]

He didn't do any of that stuff. He did, he did toy around with. He did start with torturing animals, I think. What you got here?

[Yannis Pappas]

Oh, did he torture. Oh, I didn't. I missed that. That.

[Chris Distefano]

Okay, no, he did torture animals, but he just. Yeah, he didn't have any abuse in his home. I mean, he. I think what we got here is one of those just born bad, 100% psychopaths.

[Yannis Pappas]

Just.

[Chris Distefano]

Just what it is straight up. And you can go back, if you're a real fan. You can go back to the early days where me and Chris actually take the. I remember the o' Hare psychopath test and we rate each other to see if we're psychopaths. Right. And I think I might have scored higher than you.

[Yannis Pappas]

Let's take it again. Yeah, well, and so. And it's interesting though, but just I want to make it clear, just because you like to torture animals or watch things suffer does not mean you want to be a serial killer. Because when I was a little kid, I used to throw a Tide pod or two in my dog's food, but that was just because I was being curious.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah, you're being curious. You're exploring.

[Yannis Pappas]

Also, I used to like to throw it in the bathtub and throw a Walkman in there.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah. But you know what I mean. I will act as your therapist right now as I have great insight into the human psyche. I think that situation was more about that the dog was sleeping on the bed and you wanted your mom's bed all to yourself.

[Yannis Pappas]

That's what was.

[Chris Distefano]

Guys, you slept in your Bob's bed till you were 16.

[Yannis Pappas]

Six, I want to say, when he was junior in high school.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah, 16. Yeah. Yeah.

[Yannis Pappas]

And then it was. And then I was given an ultimatum and said that I need to go sleep in my own room or I'm going to be sent to military school.

[Chris Distefano]

So she tried to get you out of there, but she just couldn't run a defense that you couldn't figure out.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah. And then. And then she did it to me in steps. I remember being maybe 15, 16 years old, and her saying, you have to sleep in the bed. And then me. And then her coming up with a compromise or me begging for a compromise. And she put a chair outside my door and sat outside my door guard. Even though we lived in a three bedroom apartment, she sat outside the door and guarded it. It's what it is, right?

[Chris Distefano]

It's what it is. It's what it is.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah. And she allowed me to sleep with the lights on and the TV on, which I still too, to this day. Make absolutely no mistake, Yanni. Bonnie. If I. If. If Jazz and the kids went away on a trip, I would not sleep in my house alone. I would get a hotel.

[Chris Distefano]

No. Yeah. I'd wake up and you'd be outside my house stalking out my basement, just like BTK Killer used to do. I just see you out there trying to figure out a way to get in to get it.

[Yannis Pappas]

Well, it would be interesting. It would be interesting to know. To watch the BTK Killer try to break into your house. Because he would break it through the basement and say, this guy's already got himself in stockings and roped up.

[Chris Distefano]

He would say, by breaking into my own house?

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah. He would be a little perplexed and say, this kid's already filming himself with a wig on and stockings and the rope around his neck. So I guess I'll just go to the next house.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Yannis Pappas]

He would be a little. Right. A little confused. He'd be a little confused and say, why is this kid doing what I was going to do to him?

[Chris Distefano]

Wait at my home. What's going on?

[Yannis Pappas]

He would say, wow. Yeah. Yeah. He might go alert your wife and kids, say, you got a real psychopath down there. You might want to call the cops.

[Chris Distefano]

Can I just say, address the elephant in the room right now. Yeah. We both look super cute.

[Yannis Pappas]

We really look super cute right now. And I could tell Nick is sitting with his legs crossed because he's hiding his boner.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah. I mean, you look super cute. You got a quid shirt on. Because I got the same one because you got him when we got the free quiz.

[Yannis Pappas]

And it's good to feel super cute once in a while.

[Chris Distefano]

Once in a while, you just it's nice. Like today I'm just meeting my brother, so I just, you know, I just want to look super cute for him because he's a gay.

[Yannis Pappas]

That's the thing is what I've said this time and time again is if we're around gay men or just other men in general, we want to look super cute for other guys because we deep down know girls don't really care. Yeah. But like, if a girl. If. Here's the truth. If a girl was at my door, I would just open the door and not care. But if I saw that it was a guy, a relatively handsome UPS guy, I would go like this in the mirror and I would just freshen up and I would just freshen up the sides and just go like. And then, you know.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah.

[Yannis Pappas]

Maybe I throw something on to make me look more jacked. Or I might do a couple of push ups.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah.

[Yannis Pappas]

To get a pump. Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

And that's what I used to do. I remember when I was in college and we would have girls over me and my roommate would always drop down and do 10. Oh, yeah, that's an old guy trick where you just come out, feel palm out, do 10 and then.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

You know when. Just so the girls can see that your. Your bicep is swelling a little bit now.

[Yannis Pappas]

Let me ask you a question. You're looking super cute because you're going out to dinner with your. With your brother. Mm. Just. What? Just a little catch up?

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah, just a little catch up. But. And you know what? It wasn't even really about that, but I woke up today and I was like, you know what? I haven't worn a. I haven't worn a button down in a little while. And then I looked at my top shelf sneakers.

[Yannis Pappas]

Wow.

[Chris Distefano]

And I was like, you know, I've had these for 10 years and I never wear them because they're top shelf. I mean, these are Prada. Yeah. So I said, you know what? I'm going to start wearing these now because pretty soon I'm going to be 70, right. So it's like, let me. What am I saving these for?

[Yannis Pappas]

No, I think, I think you have to live immediately. You live right now. My friends, welcome to the beat cast. You have to live immediately, okay? I want you to live urgently. I want you to do, my friends, whatever you have been delaying, I want you to do it right now. There is no tomorrow. You can only live for today, Okay? I want you to persist until you succeed. I want you to renew yourself daily. Every single day you wake up is A new day. And I want you to think about life like this. I want you to think about. There are no solutions in life, okay, my friends. There are only trade offs. So you will never actually get to the permanent right or wrong answer. It's just instead of thinking of what's the solution, think what's the trade off? Okay, my friends. And I think if you just try to embark on life that way and understand that life is nuance and life is the gray zone and the Internet is not. The Internet is binary and black and white. And the mob wants you to succumb to certain things because the Internet cannot think in nuance. And you, as a human being, my friend, are only alive in nuance. Your chaos, you live somewhere between the chaos and the order. That's why I think the Internet is not good for you. And that's why I think you have to do one thing and one thing only, and that is return to Jesus Christ and find faith.

[Chris Distefano]

Also, the Internet can't understand when you need a new riff.

[Yannis Pappas]

They cannot, it cannot, but return to Jesus Christ. Return to Catholicism or Judaism, preferably Catholicism. And the other day, one of the mothers was yelling at my Jasmine for something, and I called her a momslam. I said, you're acting like a mom's.

[Chris Distefano]

Look, I'm gonna use that on my wife.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah. I said, she was acting like a mom's love. And Jazz laughed because she was being a terrorist to Jasmine.

[Chris Distefano]

That's very funny.

[Yannis Pappas]

There you go.

[Chris Distefano]

Now. Now I want to give you my quick beam cast, my friends. Okay, you're feeling blue, you're feeling down. Let me ask you this. There's a lot of self help on the Internet, but has anyone ever suggested to you, if you're feeling blue, if you're feeling down, have you tried doing something super cute for yourself today?

[Yannis Pappas]

Okay.

[Chris Distefano]

Have you ever been in a bad mood and done something super cute for yourself? Yeah. Like went and got a massage or went and got a smoothie and kicked your heels. Looked in the mirror and said, I'm a super cute kid. Styled your hair different. Called a friend, yelled cute, got the gay out. Have you done anything super cute? So don't tell me you're depressed or you're down if you haven't tried something super cute today.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

So, my friends, I want you to try something super cute today. And we also have from the great Jesse Scaturo. We call him One Frame Half Jew Jesse Scuturo, because our fans got one frame of him and they turned him into a meme over and over again.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yes.

[Chris Distefano]

So he's one frame Jesse Schetero. He has a beamcast today.

[Yannis Pappas]

Come on, you rooted the illusion.

[Chris Distefano]

You're supposed to read it like it's yours. No, but they want to hear your beam cast.

[Yannis Pappas]

No, but yeah, we want. I want to hear you.

[Chris Distefano]

So he says, my friends, today we're talking about making beautiful music. You see, my friends, you are an instrument and you're capable of making beautiful music. All you need to do is learn how to play your instrument. We read this beam cast. No.

[Yannis Pappas]

What about the third one? What about the big storm is on the horizon? Did we do that one good one.

[Chris Distefano]

My friends, when a big storm is on the horizon, are you a port in the storm for your fellow man? I want you to be that port in the storm. This sounds like a gay docking thing.

[Yannis Pappas]

This is. Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

I want you to open your port and let your fellow man dock in you. Yes. I called it.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah, dock.

[Chris Distefano]

And my friends, when you allow them to use your port, which is your asshole docking in and out, over and over again until your port is full, you will feel a deep satisfaction, my friends. And that, my friends, is how you stay on the beam and inside of an ass.

[Yannis Pappas]

I like that. And that's a nice one from Jesse. And then Nick has one, but it's in Spanish, so we can't read it.

[Chris Distefano]

We can't read it. We can't read it because we have to ask permission from man. Tifa.

[Yannis Pappas]

It's just what it is.

[Chris Distefano]

I think it's part of their.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

Mission statement.

[Yannis Pappas]

Nick the stick.

[Chris Distefano]

Nick looks like a wrestler who just lost a lot of weight, is doing Diamond Dale's page yoga.

[Yannis Pappas]

I had Nick because we had three pastries. And I had Nick hold up and I let him do it like a grab bag, like which one he wanted. And he picked the apple bar, which was the one.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah, it's pretty.

[Yannis Pappas]

Well, he picked a healthy one. But was it yummy? Yummy in your tummy? Okay.

[Chris Distefano]

What happens is Nick's Latin parents are upset that he. He's hung out with too many gringos.

[Yannis Pappas]

Too many gringos.

[Chris Distefano]

He doesn't need any Maduro's.

[Yannis Pappas]

Now, Nick. Nick was at Comic Con this weekend. He sent me a picture of him and a friend of his that was dressed up as the Flash.

[Chris Distefano]

Nick's what we call a finger sniffer.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah, Nick is a little bit of a finger sniffer. Yes. Nick, yes. RFK would say that he's got some nerdy interests. Yeah. Yeah. And Nick circumcised. So therefore, according To RFK is autistic.

[Chris Distefano]

That's right.

[Yannis Pappas]

That's what it is.

[Chris Distefano]

That's the. Is that the new one is the circumcision.

[Yannis Pappas]

That's what RFK said. You're circumcised. Because he said. He said it's really. You know, if you're circumcised, there's a high correlation of being autistic. But he said it's because they're given Tylenol after the circumcision, and that's what gets the autism.

[Chris Distefano]

Oh, so what about the girls who are autistic?

[Yannis Pappas]

That I don't know. You're going to have to ask rfk.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah. We could just ask the president of Egypt.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah. It's what it is.

[Chris Distefano]

It's what it is.

[Yannis Pappas]

What it is. I was in Boston this weekend. A lot of beautiful Asian women in Boston. And all I'm going to say is, come honey pot me.

[Chris Distefano]

Call you Winnie the Pooh.

[Yannis Pappas]

I mean, I want to get honey potted. Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

You. You texted me. You said, I'm in Boston and I could get honey potted. Big up there. You really like Boston girls. Boston has everything that you love.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

Smart girls and Chinese girls. Because there's a lot of universities. Make zero mistake about it. Make zero mistake about it. If your town does not have a Chinatown.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

But you do have an Ivy League school. Guess what? You got a Chinatown.

[Yannis Pappas]

You got it.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

So whatever. There's a ramen noodle spot. I assure you.

[Yannis Pappas]

Now, Boston has an Ivy League school and a Chinatown. So that's what we call a base for Shanghai.

[Chris Distefano]

That's what we call double stuff Oreo.

[Yannis Pappas]

That's what it is.

[Chris Distefano]

That's what we call. Let me get an extra pair of chopsticks.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah. That's what we call a yin yang.

[Chris Distefano]

Wei Song Xi. That's who we call it. Double Wei Zhong Xi. Yeah.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah. Here's the thing.

[Chris Distefano]

That's what we call it. Yao Ming.

[Yannis Pappas]

A Yao Ming.

[Chris Distefano]

Big, big Chinese.

[Yannis Pappas]

Now serial killers. Dennis Raider. The reason why I want to speak about him. There's a great Netflix documentary that's out right now that really interviews his daughter and what his daughter's life was like. You know, she claims she never knew anything about him and the wife never knew. Which. There's a part of me that I do actually believe that the children didn't know that their dad was a BTK killer. However, I think it's one of those. Like, they did. They saw these signs, but their brains just chose to not accept that that's what it was. Right? I mean, because you got to know something. You got to know something's a little off, but you're choosing to not. You're choosing not to admit it.

[Chris Distefano]

I mean, the guy kept his trophy file like. Like behind a. Like, wood panel in the basement. Like, all they had to do was snoop around in the basement. And they would have had a big.

[Yannis Pappas]

Big, big surprise when the police finally arrested him in 2005. When they went into his door. When they went through his front door, in his coat closet, where all the other coats and shoes were, was his kill bag, which had rope and tape and all this other stuff. So it's like, how do you explain that to your family? You just have a bag of rope and tape and women's panties and duffel bag.

[Chris Distefano]

My wife lets me live so much and kind of isn't curious and doesn't, like, minds her own business. I've thought that I've been like, if I was a serial killer, I think I could get away with it for at least seven years. Yeah.

[Yannis Pappas]

Because your wife just doesn't care about you.

[Chris Distefano]

Does not come down.

[Yannis Pappas]

It's about the children.

[Chris Distefano]

She does not come down to my jerk lab.

[Yannis Pappas]

Right. It's just what it is.

[Chris Distefano]

She just never comes down. She never uses that bathroom. She never comes down. I could have dead bodies down there. She just wouldn't come down. And she comes straight down to do laundry. She'll come straight out. It's something. It's just nice that we have old school Greek rules in my house.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah. It's just what it is.

[Chris Distefano]

When a man's sitting on the couch, you do not speak to him unless you tell him that there's something that he needs to do, which is often what she tells me. I almost feel like my wife waits for me to sit down.

[Yannis Pappas]

Right.

[Chris Distefano]

In order to tell me that there's something that needs to be done.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah. I got a call today while I was in the car, as per usual, where she just called and said, freddie pissed on the chair.

[Yannis Pappas]

Right.

[Chris Distefano]

I'm like, great.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah, thanks. Yeah, it's good that.

[Chris Distefano]

I know.

[Yannis Pappas]

Right?

[Chris Distefano]

Thank you for letting me know.

[Yannis Pappas]

And now not home.

[Chris Distefano]

And now what? Yeah, what do we do now?

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah. So what did she do?

[Chris Distefano]

She know. She just threw it in my lap.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

She just threw it in my lap and said, I don't want to be alone with this. So.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

Here's something to ruin your day, too.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah, they do.

[Yannis Pappas]

Is there a way you could talk to the chair and clean it up?

[Chris Distefano]

Is there Any way I can BTK her? Yeah, it's what it is. Yeah.

[Yannis Pappas]

I mean, look, here's the truth with this kid, Dennis Lynn Raider. First of all, he was born in 1945. So the kid was born in the USA glory year when we would just win in World War II. Oh, and by the way, and I'm going to talk about [e-mail] history but I found a newspaper in my house from 1939, and I've been reading the articles and it's just wild. Well, I'm just saying life in 1939 wasn't that different than it is today. So anyway, buying torture Kill the BTK Killer, who I'm sure everybody's familiar with, they said he killed 10 people in Wichita, Kansas. And I think that what you were saying, Yanni, is true, is that he didn't have any really red flags from his childhood, but he just lived in Wichita, Kansas. So you get bored, you want to kill people.

[Chris Distefano]

You know, I think your environment has a lot to do with who you are. And I didn't really think that until I went to Tacoma, Washington, and I found out that Tacoma's. There's a reason why not too many famous people are from Tacoma, but the most known person is actually infamous. And that happens to be the great Ted Bundy. Ted Bundy and great. I put that in quotation marks.

[Yannis Pappas]

Right.

[Chris Distefano]

And when you're in Tacoma, you go, this, your environment is kind of a parent of yours.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

It's like you're raised by your parents, but you're also raised by where you are.

[Yannis Pappas]

Right.

[Chris Distefano]

And Tacoma, if. If you were to make it into a person, would be a serial killer. It is a serial killer.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

That's how shitty Tacoma is. Tacoma's disgusting weather is nuclear fallout. The people just look miserable. The old women have, like, bright red hair.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

They're all carrying shields, yelling about the government.

[Yannis Pappas]

It's like a war zone down there. Truly is gusting. Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

And the architecture is like. Looks like Eastern European. Like Soviet.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah. It's just a Gonzaga University. That's all they have. That's good. Gonzaga is not far.

[Chris Distefano]

It's not far. That's the only thing they got much different from Seattle. It's so crazy that those two cities are only like an hour apart because they really are centuries apart as far as cuteness.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah. But Seattle is one of those places too, where it's like, I like Seattle. I think it's beautiful. Got the rain, but it's like, I don't want to have to Fly six hours to go watch people do heroin. If I want to do that, I'll go right here to the Lower east side of Manhattan.

[Chris Distefano]

That's right.

[Yannis Pappas]

I could just, you know what I mean, Take an Uber in.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah. It is super cute, though, down there by the water.

[Yannis Pappas]

By Seattle water.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah.

[Yannis Pappas]

Well, what's beautiful is the Puget Sound is good. What I really like, what one of my favorite things to do is, is to walk by the original Starbucks, get a coffee, and then get a clam chowder in a bread bowl and sit there and look out at the Puget Sound.

[Chris Distefano]

That's nice.

[Yannis Pappas]

And you also can go to the original Red R. That's where Red Robin, the burger joint started in Seattle. I know all the super cute places to go.

[Chris Distefano]

Have you been in that diner? That was in Sally. No.

[Yannis Pappas]

When Harry Met Sally.

[Chris Distefano]

No, it was another Tom Hanks movie.

[Yannis Pappas]

No.

[Chris Distefano]

Sleepless in Seattle. Have you been to the Sleepless in Seattle dump? No, because it's a dump. Let me just say this. It's a tourist attraction. It's down there fucking by the seaport or wherever it's called, those restaurants. The food is disgusting and it's a fucking dump. Yeah. I'm so, okay, Tom Hanks, an actor, sat there and that's like their big claim to fame. And then there's the booth and you can sit where he's at. But how about the food? How about make the food? Not fucking dog food, right? That would be nice.

[Yannis Pappas]

Well, what Seattle's got that's very good is coffee. Because they got stoppage liberals, so they got. Yeah, yeah, well. But the only thing I like about performing in those liberal cities is that usually it brings out the counterculture like it does. Like, these cities themselves are very annoying. Like people, whatever, upset at everything. But the people who live there and who like comedy typically aren't that way.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah.

[Yannis Pappas]

And they'll just laugh at anything. They just want to get a break from their life.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah, I like liberals. I like New York liberals. I think Seattle and Portland liberals are what you call annoying liberals.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah, I agree with that.

[Chris Distefano]

It's just an adjective. It's annoying liberal. They yell, they yell, they yell. But then Seattle, you gotta pay like $3000 for a one bedroom apartment too, so. Get off your high horse. You're a money town too, okay? Ichiro's probably the best baseball player of all time and.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah, and there's too much human shit in the streets in Seattle and Portland for me to just take anything you guys say seriously.

[Chris Distefano]

There you go. There's the weather. When you, when you turn, you turn on the weather in Seattle, they go, it's a chance of rain today and also a 14% chance of tear gas.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah, that's what it looks like. All right, so let's go back BTK killer. I mean, first of all, Dennis Rader.

[Chris Distefano]

Not cute.

[Yannis Pappas]

Not a cute kid. The only cute serial killer we've ever found is really Ted Bundy is the only dude. Handsome kid.

[Chris Distefano]

Let me ask you this though. Btk, right? Psychopaths, they do have good personalities. Like, you know, they do know how to fucking ham it up.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

Do you think he would have been a fun hang?

[Yannis Pappas]

100%.

[Chris Distefano]

I think he might have been a good hay.

[Yannis Pappas]

100%. And then you're kind of like before you even know, you just got your legs roped up. I mean, cuz, before you even know with him, you got high heels on, you got a mini skirt and you, you just rope up. Yeah, same with John Wayne Gacy. You just got roped around.

[Chris Distefano]

You just got roped up. But even when you see the interviews with John Wayne Gacy, like, he has personality. Yeah, he really, really does have personality. And the kid could paint. How come all these fucking evil people can paint?

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Chris Distefano]

Hitler painted John way. Gacy can make you Paytons. What's up with.

[Yannis Pappas]

They're all artists. I mean, cuz they're artists. So the first people that he killed was in 1974, and he killed an entire family.

[Chris Distefano]

And you know what I hated about this?

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

What I hated about this most of all was the family that he killed was called the Otero family.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

So I think he's targeting Hispanic families like I place.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

And I don't like that. I like the white family. I would have been a little less disturbed. Yeah, right, Nick.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

His first family was a Latino family.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah, don't like that, don't love it. And he also killed kids. That piece of. So I'm surprised he's still alive in prison. Normally, like somebody would just let this guy get killed in prison, but the kid's still alive.

[Chris Distefano]

He's still alive and he's read, he's writing like grievance letters all the time. What real like grievance letters about the prison and stuff. Stuff. Because the guy just needs attention.

[Yannis Pappas]

Well, he's, he's, he's a wild narcissist.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah.

[Yannis Pappas]

Dennis Raider wild. We'll get to it when they, when he gets captured. And the video of him like just matter of factly talking about the murders and eating French Fries and it's crazy.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah.

[Yannis Pappas]

But then he killed. He would kill people. He would break it to their house and then he would tie them up, bind them, torture them and then kill them. And I think he. The more you were scared, the more, the worse it got for you. Right. Harder he got, harder he got. He wanted that. And then he would jerk off and come on the bodies. Right.

[Chris Distefano]

He liked it. It was so he liked to just finish on you without you being conscious. That was sort of his. That was his.

[Yannis Pappas]

His coup.

[Chris Distefano]

That was his.

[Yannis Pappas]

He needed you to die though.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah. It was like Finn. How do you say it when they, when they say the end, at the end of a movie that his denouement is the word I'm looking for.

[Yannis Pappas]

Got it.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah. Yeah. He would also sometimes camp out in the house. So he would stalk the place pretty thoroughly. Kid walked around with a pad and he would write down details.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

Pick victims. He'd write down all the data. He was like a meticulously compulsive control freak. And what he would do is he would stalk out a victim. Usually a woman who lived alone or a woman who lived with her mother. He didn't like guys around dogs. Always skipped that really thing about him is we know everything because he kept these detailed journals of everything. And he also told the cops everything. Cause he was so proud of it. Yes, he was proud of it. So he would sometimes get in there before they were home because he knew their schedule. And he would lace the place with audio equipment. So he would lace the place with hidden mics in the vents. Cause he wanted to hear the suffering so he could relive it. Cuz he would constantly go there and just jerk off to it.

[Yannis Pappas]

Wow.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah. Full blown. No roof.

[Yannis Pappas]

No roof. And that's interesting that the dog would. Would deter.

[Chris Distefano]

Oh yeah. He would pick. He would pick no dogs.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah. Because make no mistake, cuz I got big news. We just put in a bid and I think Jasmine said we got it. I got it. A puppy. That's a Doberman lab mix.

[Chris Distefano]

That's going to require a lot. It's going to require a Doberman lab. Yeah, those. That's a good mix. And a great family dog. Yeah, that's a good choice.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

But you're going to have to do some reading and it's going to need some time. But you're going to find out a lot about yourself. For example, you're going to find out that you want to poison dogs.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

And you're going to find out that you don't Have a lot of patience.

[Yannis Pappas]

Here's the thing is that. That's what I was thinking about that it's going to be. I knew that it was going to be a lot of work and it was going to need to get a trainer. That's why I'm also proud to announce that Sergio Chacon's got himself a new and that's training my dog.

[Chris Distefano]

But how about this?

[Yannis Pappas]

So the BTK killer is not going to come my house with a dopamine and.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah, and that's the thing. What does it feel like that you're going to be able to maybe sleep with the lights off?

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah, I'm still. I mean.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah. I'm still not. Because you know that I'm still just. What I'm gonna have to do is just get over the urge of trying to electrocute that dog. Yeah. I'm not gonna do it. I not do it. I'm gonna tell you and show you pictures all my dog right after this. Cuz I want to tell you about AG1, hon.

[Chris Distefano]

I love it. Since we got our samples, I'm hooked. It just gives you your vegetables and everything you need.

[Yannis Pappas]

Well, that and it's got the five probiotic strains and the vitamins and minerals that you need. And AG1 Next Gen replaces the need for a multivitamin probiotics. And I just take that and it's so easy and I actually like the way it tastes. I throw it in a little water first thing in the morning and I just enjoy it. I even started giving it to the kids.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah. I start my day with it every day. If you, it'll positively impact your day, your morning, your health. It's helping to raise the standard with multiple gold standard clinical trials.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yes.

[Chris Distefano]

In an industry where not everyone invests heavily in research they got, they go to great lengths to continue to invest rigorously in peer reviewed clinical trials now.

[Yannis Pappas]

And here's the thing, guys. I know that, you know, we do a lot of research here, you know, you know a lot about the blood brain barrier and how things get into your body quickly is do not stick this powder in your ass directly.

[Chris Distefano]

That.

[Yannis Pappas]

Do not do that. I've done it. Giannis has done it. Do. We are telling you and the company has asked us to tell you guys, do not open up the package of the powder and sit on it and rub your ass in it like a dog after it shits on the rug. Do not do that. Put it in water and drink it through the mouth.

[Chris Distefano]

Yes. We had to tell them that our fans do Tend to do that sometimes.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yes.

[Chris Distefano]

So we're telling our fans simply put it in water and drink it. That's the way to do it. Head right now to drink ag1.com hyenas to get a free welcome kit including a bottle of vitamin D and a free AG1 travel pack when you first subscribe. That's drinkag1.com hyenas Uncommon Goods cause this.

[Yannis Pappas]

So if you're looking for like gifts and stuff for wife friends, something cool like you don't want to just get them something generic. Uncommon Goods is the spot. It's exactly what the name says. They have these handcrafted products and things that, you know, maybe they're seasonal. It's rare items, things like that. I've gotten so many gifts on Uncommon Goods and they're dope and what I like.

[Chris Distefano]

So this is great for Christmas.

[Yannis Pappas]

This is the, the only thing you should be thinking about for Christmas and holiday shopping. Stress free, joyful, one of a kind gifts. You go to Uncommon Goods. They got something for everyone. Book lovers, history buffs, football fans, foodies, mixologists. Whatever it is, whatever the gift, either you know, first for a loved one or for you do Uncommon Goods will make. I'll make the person be like wow, where'd you get that?

[Chris Distefano]

Wow. When you shop at Uncommon Goods you're supporting artists and small independent businesses. Many of their handcrafted products are made in small batches. So shop now before they sell out this holiday season.

[Yannis Pappas]

And they do sell out because I've went on there for a couple of things and I'm like damn, sold out. So right now go to uncommongoods.com look.

[Chris Distefano]

They also give a dollar back to not their non profit partner.

[Yannis Pappas]

Of your choice.

[Chris Distefano]

Of your choice.

[Yannis Pappas]

They've donated more than $3 million to date. Good for you. Uncommon Goods.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah.

[Yannis Pappas]

So you can get 15% off your next gift if you go to UncommonGoods.com hyenas that's Uncommon Goods.com hyenas for 15% off. Don't miss out on this limited time offer. Uncommon Goods were all out of the ordinary.

[Chris Distefano]

The funny thing about you really is that you do sleep with the lights on. I do sleep with the television on. And you do run the water when you go to the bathroom. Yeah, you've said it before. Ye but you also look like a guy that no killer would ever target.

[Yannis Pappas]

I know, but yet I still, I still find myself terrified. I like I said yesterday, Giannis sent me these, the pictures that I sent you, Jesse. These are pictures of Dennis Raider, the BTK Killer. And he just said, this guy's roof has been blown clean off. This picture and then these next ones. And I showed Giannis a picture because I was being dead serious. He sent it to me at about one o' clock in the afternoon. It was a rainstorm, so it was a little cloudy and gray. My family was downstairs. I was upstairs taking a shower, AKA tell him I was taking a shower, but I was really just masturbating. And I couldn't open the door because I believed, even though Dennis Raider is in prison right now, locked up behind bars, doesn't even know that I exist, after I saw these pictures, I believed that this man was on the other side of the door looking at me. And I couldn't open it for about five minutes. And I actually hung up. I actually stopped texting Giannis, and I got on the phone with my dad and we started talking about baseball. And I. And I said, what? What the Yankees do you just. Because even though the Yankees had been knocked out of the playoffs. And he said, what do you mean? And it's just having my dad's voice, just having to know that there was another man on the other side of that phone. I walked out proud and naked.

[Chris Distefano]

So you just needed that conversation to get you on the other side of that door.

[Yannis Pappas]

I needed to do that because I absolutely was terrified. Like, we were driving home from Boston, me, Steve and James, we were driving home. And there's a way you can go. You can either take i95, which has lights, or the Merritt Parkway, which is dark, and it was 12 o' clock at night. And even though I was in the car with three other guys, two other guys. I said, Steve, stay on I95 with the lights. I'm not getting on the Merrick Parkway with no lights.

[Chris Distefano]

Now, how did Incy Bitsy Stevie see over the wheel Stevie?

[Yannis Pappas]

Well, what we did, we got. It's. We got Stevie a lift. We got Stevie a lift. He's got his own.

[Chris Distefano]

Didn't we call him Teeny Stevie? Teeny Stevie, Yeah.

[Yannis Pappas]

And then you sent me a picture of your kitchen, which is beautiful. And then I noticed on this. On the corner, right, small lower right hand corner of your kitchen, you also had a little. A toy kitchen, Fisher Price Kitchen, for your daughter. And I wondered if that was Stevie Weenie's kitchen.

[Chris Distefano]

Because you see, when I look at these pictures. Can we post Jesse? Are they seeing these right now?

[Yannis Pappas]

Because when you look at these pictures, they made.

[Chris Distefano]

They made me laugh.

[Yannis Pappas]

They make you laugh? Well, because especially the one on the left makes you say that guy stole my act.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah, he stole my act. I mean these just made me laugh. Here's the thing about serial killers and why they don't scare me. And I hate to say this. Yeah. They usually go after women or gay guys.

[Yannis Pappas]

So it's like few. Right.

[Chris Distefano]

It's like, I mean, we just don't have to worry about.

[Yannis Pappas]

So if you're walking home late at night and it's really dark out, you're not, you're not worried about a guy coming up behind you and, and, and feeling.

[Chris Distefano]

Currently or when I grew up, because currently I'm not scared of anything. Yeah. Because my neighborhood has no dangs what it is. But when I was growing up, I was scared of teenagers. Yeah.

[Yannis Pappas]

Because it really shouldn't be called a ring camera. Should be called a ding camera.

[Chris Distefano]

Up Ladder 14 searching for DS.

[Yannis Pappas]

Sorry. Yeah, yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

There's just no dents.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

But when I was growing up, I was scared of teenagers. What were you scared? The funny thing is cuz you grew up with some people who are very bad kids.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah. I.

[Chris Distefano]

You grew up with some naughty boys. But you're scared of the B Take killer.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

When all you got to do is you could bleep this where he lives and the Be Take killer is, is toast. All you gotta say is the BT killer said Hillary's great and it's kill him.

[Yannis Pappas]

But it is. Yeah. And then, and then you know what?

[Chris Distefano]

I know some dangerous kids.

[Yannis Pappas]

I really do. I grew up around some dangerous kids.

[Chris Distefano]

Some of them were your family.

[Yannis Pappas]

I know, but do you think that maybe it's because I was the only, you know, I was the only man boy I had. I had my mom, my aunt, my cousin because you know, my dad wasn't there and my cousins also went through a divorce. So. Do you think you might have been.

[Chris Distefano]

Scared of your uncle downstairs when you heard it's just what it is plugged that thing.

[Yannis Pappas]

Well, you know what? It's a scary thing.

[Chris Distefano]

This has to be cackled.

[Yannis Pappas]

But you know what is actually scary thing? Well, this doesn't have to be but one thing. No, cackled.

[Chris Distefano]

What I just said.

[Yannis Pappas]

Oh yeah, cackle what he said. But the thing that is was scary is I do have a memory of when my uncle was. Would work on like stuff down in the basement, welding stuff. I went down there one day to like get something from the laundry room, whatever my mother asked. And he was down there with the welding mask down and he was just messing around with me and he started running at Me with the welding mask with like a. With like the tool. But like joking around. But he never put the mask up. And I didn't know that it was him.

[Chris Distefano]

Right.

[Yannis Pappas]

And so I have like this trauma where sometimes even still in the middle of the night, I'll go up and take a piss and I'll think I'll see a guy with a welding mask.

[Chris Distefano]

I think that might have left the trauma.

[Yannis Pappas]

He.

[Chris Distefano]

But you didn't know it was him.

[Yannis Pappas]

Did he say anything?

[Chris Distefano]

Cuz if you said if he talked, you would have known because he would be like, yeah, get back over here. Get over here. B. Get over here.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

Chris, go back upstair by.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah, he's a.

[Chris Distefano]

He was a Puerto Rican. Uncle Victor was a Puerto Rican. Big, big, big.

[Yannis Pappas]

And he, I guess theoretically would keep it safe, but then he moved out. So maybe it's that. But I am like Jesse and Nick, if you're watching the BTK Killer documentary all by yourself, no lights on, say you have a home that has a basement. Would you be a little nervous after seeing all this stuff? Would you be a little nervous walking up the stairs for real? Real? Yeah, I would. I'm a chicken. You would. You would think that he's out there. I'm scared.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah. When I watch like a horror movie, I get really. You know what Nick would do? Nick wouldn't be scared. Nick would hear a little rustle in the basement. He'd go into his closet, he threw out. He'd throw on his wristbands.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

He'd put on his Hulkamania.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

Hulkamania thing.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

You go, all right, brother. Whoever's down there, I'm coming down, brother.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

Jake the snake, is that you? Yeah.

[Yannis Pappas]

Nick would dress up like Iron Man.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah, I dress up like Iron Man. Go right down there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Yannis Pappas]

So, okay. Yeah, I. It is interesting that other grown men would feel because I even. Even me looking at this now. The one. And we're going to get more into Dennis Raider. But the one, the documentary that still to this day haunts me the most is the one about. Is it Richard Ramirez, the night stalker?

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah.

[Yannis Pappas]

That one is so freaky. There's a part of that one where they're panning. He looks like Satan.

[Chris Distefano]

That was a disgusting part. In a very nice outfit.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah. Thank you. He looks like Richard Ramire. Genuinely looked like the face of Satan. And people would say the one to five said his breath was so bad that they actually had never smelled anything like that. Like he was a demon.

[Chris Distefano]

I disagree because I think he looked like a cute, cute kith model.

[Yannis Pappas]

You think?

[Chris Distefano]

I think the kid was a good looking kid, yes. I mean if he went another way, I mean this could. He could have been like posing an Adidas.

[Yannis Pappas]

I mean we'll get, we'll get another episode on him.

[Chris Distefano]

Think he's a cute kid?

[Yannis Pappas]

I mean. Yeah, but his teeth are bad.

[Chris Distefano]

They said they're bad. But in another light cutie, this kid would have been super cute.

[Yannis Pappas]

I mean, but so Dennis Raider, let's get back to him. The BTK killer. What was very interesting about him is that much like he's really one of the only serial killers we can think of, that he had like a wife, two kids, was as normal as normal could be, that people were genuinely shocked when they found out that this was the guy.

[Chris Distefano]

There was this one guy who's very similar to btk. Even their modus operandi was similar. And I think their, their sexual dysfunction was. That was a squeaker.

[Yannis Pappas]

It's a squeaker. Yeah. That was what we call an aftershock.

[Chris Distefano]

It was, it was a Canadian, A Canadian air. A Canadian military guy.

[Yannis Pappas]

Okay.

[Chris Distefano]

And he used to also steal the panties and put them on. If you could just google that and pull up the picture. Cuz it makes me laugh every time. I know I shouldn't be laughing, but just to see this guy, a military guy with the stern look on in a full underwear and bra just makes me laugh. He was very similar. And he also had a family like that, right? And his family. And when he got caught, he just. That was the thing he was most concerned about was his wife. And you know what BTK said when they caught him?

[Yannis Pappas]

What?

[Chris Distefano]

When they, you know, they waited for him. It's funny because the cops stalked him, waited for him to drive home and they pulled him out of the car and he put him down. He just said, can somebody call my wife and tell her I'm not gonna make it for dinner? Yeah, that's just how psychopaths are. Like just no feelings. All data.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah, just.

[Chris Distefano]

Well, that's the thing is Russell Williams, he's my guy. There he is.

[Yannis Pappas]

And this guy, not known. He's fully blown. Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah. What it is.

[Yannis Pappas]

This guy has a fully blown up. Wow.

[Chris Distefano]

It's fully blown off.

[Yannis Pappas]

And you know, don't really ever see that. That's like a two piece. That was like. That's like a two piece four guys. Because it's like a little longer at the top. Yeah, he found a nice piece. So he's in jail for life, this guy, right?

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jesse, make sure you put these photos up so people can see him.

[Yannis Pappas]

And what, what was interesting about him?

[Chris Distefano]

He was very similar to BT dk, right? Very similar.

[Yannis Pappas]

But he only killed two, so he must have got caught much quicker.

[Chris Distefano]

No, he killed more than two. He killed more than two.

[Yannis Pappas]

Maybe he only admitted to killing.

[Chris Distefano]

He could win too. He. How many did he get?

[Yannis Pappas]

Dude, he was. He was like a high ranking Canadian officer.

[Chris Distefano]

He was a high ranking. And also here's the thing.

[Yannis Pappas]

Why is he not that famous then? It's Canada.

[Chris Distefano]

He's Canadian. It's like, you know, nobody cares.

[Yannis Pappas]

Right?

[Chris Distefano]

Really gotta, you know. Yeah, you really. If he gets in a. A dis beef with Kendrick Lamar, maybe people will know more about him.

[Yannis Pappas]

It's just what it is.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah, he's just Canadian. But the Canadians got some good ones. I mean, the homoca. Kathleen Homolka and Bernardo. What was his name? Bernardo and Kathy Homoco. It was the.

[Yannis Pappas]

They were like a Bonnie and Clyde.

[Chris Distefano]

Bonnie and Clyde of killing were very, very famous. They were probably the two most famous. He gets overlooked, I think because of those too.

[Yannis Pappas]

But. But he is the same thing as btk. Exactly.

[Chris Distefano]

He would also do the same MO. He would stalk. He would stalk and then he would slip into the house and wait for him.

[Yannis Pappas]

But he didn't want to torture and kill.

[Chris Distefano]

No, he did a little bit of that.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah, he did.

[Chris Distefano]

He tortured them and he got off on the fear.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah, but these guys don't want to go after guys.

[Chris Distefano]

They don't want to go after guys. Here's the thing. He. He also would film it and take trophies like that. And here's the thing about BTK also. He was a military guy and his dad was a Navy guy and he was in the Air Force Force.

[Yannis Pappas]

Right.

[Chris Distefano]

A couple years as well, so. But he was his. His commanding officer said he was very lazy and not a. Not a good officer.

[Yannis Pappas]

Dennis Raider was not. Yeah, yeah. You could scroll down a little bit. He was also a church leader. He was a church leader. He was also an ADT security employee, which was interesting because he knew what phone lines to cut. He would cut. He would cut the power basically to these people's homes.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah, he was. He was animal officer. He would like compliance officer. Yeah, he was. He had a whole bunch of jobs.

[Yannis Pappas]

Very.

[Chris Distefano]

He was a church deacon or something.

[Yannis Pappas]

I'd like to do some type of like that movie Minority Report. I'd be interested. I'd be absolutely into getting like, if you could scan someone's Brain. If they have that in them, then you just can put them. If you don't want to kill them, you don't have to kill them, but you could put them in some type of penal colony where like they just, you know what I mean? Like they're just out of society. Here's how do we remove them?

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah. The thing is, neuroimaging has really changed the game. These guys, their neuro, their mirror neurons just don't fire the way you're supposed to fire mirror neurons. Like I'm happy. Your neurons go, you smile. If I smile, you smile, you know.

[Yannis Pappas]

Right.

[Chris Distefano]

It's like it shows you're connected.

[Yannis Pappas]

We're transferring each energy in, in many ways, just from a scientific point of view. As soon as you and I lock eyes with each other, we're inside each other.

[Chris Distefano]

We're inside each other.

[Yannis Pappas]

I could get inside you with my mirror neuron.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah, yeah.

[Yannis Pappas]

And then maybe that's the way to stay in the program and say, I'll have sex with her with my neurons. Neurons. Our neurons are having sex.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah. Just wanna.

[Yannis Pappas]

Okay, yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

You just want the neurons to bang.

[Yannis Pappas]

That's all.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah. So he. But the complicated thing is you can absolutely tell by looking at a neuroimage who a psychopath is 100%.

[Yannis Pappas]

Wow.

[Chris Distefano]

But the problem is, is that there's a lot of psychopaths who are just law abiding, good people. A lot of them go become pilots, a lot of them become, become military officers. A lot of them become race car drivers.

[Yannis Pappas]

And they never want to kill anybody.

[Chris Distefano]

Because they have a low fear. One of the things, one of the hallmarks of psychopathy is you have a smaller amygdala, you don't feel fear.

[Yannis Pappas]

Right.

[Chris Distefano]

So they don't feel fear, they don't get nervous, they don't have anxiety. So those people are who are raised in good homes, you know, just go and thrill seeking jobs. That's what it is a lot of times. And a lot of times they're heroes and stuff like that. And they are given a, a moral compass. And they do have a moral compass. It's just more cognitive.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

And also this thing that psychopaths don't feel, they do feel, they just feel kind of more through themselves. The thing they lack is empathy.

[Yannis Pappas]

But how does the roof get blown so clean off that you are going to motels every Friday night and tying yourself up and putting on clown masks and wigs and taking videos of yourself? How does it get so blown off to this? I think, tell me how it happens.

[Chris Distefano]

I really think boredom. I really think it was a combination of nature, nurture. I think he was born right. With a psychopathic wiring. And then he was just in Kansas. Yeah. This kid had a lot of time on his hands. He probably started by burning ants. And because he was a. We all, like, burned a few ants. We all threw salt on caterpillars. We were all fucking dicks. We all played matches. But I think when he did, he got a little bit more of the tingle.

[Yannis Pappas]

It's just what it is. He went a little puing.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah, he went a little puing and he got a little more of the tingle. And then because he was in Kansas, there was nothing. There was nothing else to do. He couldn't go play Wiffle Ball. He couldn't go break windows of buses. You did Right, right. Couldn't throw eggs on Halloween. He just sat around. So he said, why don't I just burn more ants? And they just kept burning ants.

[Yannis Pappas]

And then he needed more of a.

[Chris Distefano]

Tingle and he just kept chasing the tingle.

[Yannis Pappas]

That's what it is. And make absolutely.

[Chris Distefano]

Name of the episode, Dennis Radar chasing the tingle.

[Yannis Pappas]

That's it. Make absolutely no mistake. I know there have been many times where you and I have been texting and you have been in that position on the bottom. Right. And I've tried to FaceTime and you won't pick up because you're in a motel, tied up, texting.

[Chris Distefano]

I'm predisposed at the moment. It is now, he would do this not to get off, which is crazy. So you know why he did this?

[Yannis Pappas]

Tell me.

[Chris Distefano]

He was so meticulous. He was very smart in a maniacal way. He was so meticulous and data driven that he wanted to rehearse what he was going to do.

[Yannis Pappas]

Oh, so this. He would do these things on Friday nights because he had a victim planned out.

[Chris Distefano]

He would. Yeah, he would just. He wanted to know how it would look. Look, he also wanted to. And this is all according to him. We know everything, which is unique about his situation because of his detailed journals that the FBI got ahold of, law enforcement got a hold of. He would want to know also what the victim would feel, but not for empathy or not to be like. He wanted to know because it helped him get off more. Right. So he would strangle himself to feel the pain of the suffocation.

[Yannis Pappas]

So that's how all of them died from strangulation. Not. He didn't shoot them or stab them.

[Chris Distefano]

No, he shot them. Shot the brother of one who didn't die. He Was he. But mostly strangulation. And he would cut him up, he would stab him, he would torture the shit out of him. He would like put pliers on their nipples. I mean, he would torture them for.

[Yannis Pappas]

As long as he could until they died. He.

[Chris Distefano]

But he didn't want them to die quick. He wanted to do slow. So a lot of times what he would do is he would strangle them until they would black out, whatever, and then he'd let go right before they died, he'd splash water on their face, bring him back and do it again.

[Yannis Pappas]

What a scumbag.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah.

[Yannis Pappas]

So why does he get to live though, in prison?

[Chris Distefano]

I think he called it something some weird type of like death cpr. He was, he was a bad kid. He got off actually on the pain. That's what turned him on was their fear and their pain what he really liked.

[Yannis Pappas]

Right?

[Chris Distefano]

So that was, that was his. That's what made him go peeling.

[Yannis Pappas]

Guys, I'm gonna let the audience members out there who are coming to this go clean themselves off and we're get to the last half of this episode. Cuz you got great hair.

[Chris Distefano]

I got great hair. Jesse's got great hair now.

[Yannis Pappas]

Jesse does have great hair now. And why? Because of hims.

[Chris Distefano]

Hims.

[Yannis Pappas]

That's what it is, right?

[Chris Distefano]

Only pronouns I want to hear, that's hims.

[Yannis Pappas]

Hims. What they do is they have a convenient access to a range of prescription hair loss treatments with ingredients that work, including chews, oral medication, serums and sprays. Now Jesse was saying he can't swallow and hims came in and got him the chewable kind.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah, that's right.

[Yannis Pappas]

They got him like, like Flintstone vitamins.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah. These are doctor trusted clinically proven ingredients like finasteride and minoxid dill that can stop further hair loss and regrow your hair in as little as three to six months. No hidden fees, no surprise costs, just real personalized care on your schedule.

[Yannis Pappas]

And it's amazing. Think of hims as your digital front door that gets you back to your old self with simple 100% online access to trusted treatments for real health concerns all in one place. For simple online access to personalized and affordable care for hair loss, ED, weight loss and more, visit him hims.com hyenas I feel like they're talking directly to my friend group. That's hims.comhyenas for your free online visit hims.comhyenas now here's the thing. Individual results may vary based on studies of topical and oral minoxidil and finasteride. Featured products include compound and drug products which the FDA does not approve or verify for safety, effectiveness or quality. Prescription required. See website for full detail. This episode is brought to you by cbs. DMV is a brand new workplace comedy turning misery into magic and chaos into comedy. Starring Harriet Dyer And Tim Meadows, DMV.

[Chris Distefano]

Is here to serve you laughs.

[Yannis Pappas]

Watch Mondays at 8:30 7:30 Central on CBS and streaming on Paramount. Plus fictions and important safety information. Go get some hymns.

[Chris Distefano]

You know there's a couple of fully ruthless kids sitting there cock in hand right now.

[Yannis Pappas]

Now Statistically, yeah, statistically 100% if we neuro imaged every single one of our fans, there's at least one that has the same brain as BTK who's listening to us right now.

[Chris Distefano]

Without a doubt.

[Yannis Pappas]

They may not know it, but they have that brain.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah, without a doubt. So that's why I think it's just a combination of things like who knows what happened to this kid. But I think Kansas probably had a lot to do with it. Just like I think Tacoma had a lot to do with it.

[Yannis Pappas]

So he kills from 1974 to roughly 1991. And then the killings just stopped. The people of Kansas thought that they were out of it, whatever. And then in 2004 he, he started contacting the media and the police again, which ultimately led to the, to an investigation. And he said to them, the floppy disk, you know, this is 2004, 2005. Digital forensics is new. BTK sent a floppy disk to. There was a victim, one of the victims that I believe was killed. The, the medics got there before the police. This is in the 80s. The medics got there before the police. And this is creepy. The me. The medics got there first and so the body was gone by the time the police got there. So the police did all their forensics and stuff, but the body was on its way to the hospital where it eventually died. And in 2004, this case, which is from the 80s, on this floppy disk is pictures of that victim in the house. So it was from. They knew it was BTK because he had taken those pictures and he had them on him and then he escaped. And then the, you know, the, the body wasn't there when the police got there, so it couldn't have been from the cops. So it's from him. And he says to the guy, he says to the FBI agent he's talking to, he says is there any way to trace a floppy disk back to. Back to me? Be honest. So The FBI is like, you know, of course they're like, no, there's absolutely no way we're being honest. But of course there was. And then he sends them the floppy disk and within an hour, they found where it came from, the church that he was the pastor of, Christ Lutheran Church. And the author named Dennis.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah, his long name was Dennis.

[Yannis Pappas]

Dennis. So they used the metadata and they found there's only one guy named Dennis at the Christ Lutheran Church, and he is the. The. The pastor.

[Chris Distefano]

And to confirm it, what they did was they saw that his daughter, this guy, Dennis's daughter, went to Kansas State University. So the guy, the investigator went there as well, that same school. And he knew that if you had any medical condition, they kept your records and had your DNA. So he went and found his daughter. And she did have a pap smear there.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yep.

[Chris Distefano]

And so they just. Without anyone knowing or her permission, they took her DNA and it was a dead on match to be the daughter of BTK, because they had BTK's DNA from an earlier crime.

[Yannis Pappas]

Because he was coming on all the.

[Chris Distefano]

Victims, he just would leave a little. He would just. It was like. It was just like a little. Yeah, you know how, you know, salt bay just sprinkled a little. Yeah, it was his little salt bay. Now, he probably did it like this. He took it, put in his head, he went like that.

[Yannis Pappas]

Now, Jess, if you can make another, you know, page, because I still want to get to this. But the BTK letters to the police are interesting because he's just a very, very, very pompous, like, wildly narcissistic. That to the point where you're like, okay, there's some kind of issue here.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah. Because he's been corresponding with the police the whole time. Teasing them.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah. With them. Well, he says, no, if you could go, like, there must be a website for it just because. Yeah, maybe here. There was. Because he says something. Yeah, go down a little bit. He says something. He's basically taunting them and saying, like, you know, there will be another victim. You need to find me first type thing. Yeah. And I forgot would have been good to just. If I had this.

[Chris Distefano]

They all, like, do this, right? Jack the Ripper did it too, right? Yeah. He would contact the police. They get off on it. They get nice dopamine hits from just the game of it.

[Yannis Pappas]

Right.

[Chris Distefano]

And the attention in the media, they love it.

[Yannis Pappas]

Maybe that's it. Yeah. The notorious BTK killer sent. Now what's this mask?

[Chris Distefano]

That was the mask he would put on when he would rehearse his I seek. And btk, he gave himself that nickname because he said, yes, find him. You can call me the btk. He probably sat there. Do you think he had a brainstorming and he went over a couple of names? Yeah. He was like, I'm the pantyhose man. No, that doesn't click. Yeah, that doesn't. That won't hit. That won't slap. Yeah, he was looking for one that slapped.

[Yannis Pappas]

And by the way, I know in a way we're doing. Not in a way we are doing this, and I know that there's some. Some wrong in this, but if you scroll down a little bit, just like the first comment, and it's true. Glorifying criminals, that's what essentially Netflix and all that has become is just a way to glorify criminals and make this thing, like, be interesting to people. And it is. It is kind of like, I think in 200 years from now, the future, people, and be like, all those kids. Roofs were blown clean off.

[Chris Distefano]

Let me ask you a question, all of us here, because that's an interesting point. Is it that they're doing that, or are they just fulfilling a very big demand in the marketplace? Because let's talk about true crime. True crime is massive.

[Yannis Pappas]

Sure.

[Chris Distefano]

It is absolutely massive. And we all consume it. We all want to watch it. So is it them doing it to us, or are they giving us what we want?

[Yannis Pappas]

I think it's probably like anything else in life. Lies a little bit in the middle, lies a little bit in the nuance.

[Chris Distefano]

It lives in a nuance.

[Yannis Pappas]

That's where it lies, I think. It dances between chaos and order, which is just where life goes.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah.

[Yannis Pappas]

And that and this interview right here, if you. If you play that. This is where they are the day they caught the BTK killer, Dennis Raider. And then he's just confessing to the murders to the police, and he just. I mean, he's literally eating a cheeseburger and French fries as he's telling them one by one, even the ones that they missed. He's just telling them, this is what happened. Stupid.

[Chris Distefano]

There was one girl who fought back a little bit, and he called her in his journal a troublemaker. Yeah, like, that one was a troublemaker.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

And he didn't get the torture the way he liked, so he called it unfinished business.

[Yannis Pappas]

Now, do you think they'll ever, like, could they give, like, these people pills and medicine in jail to make them realize, like, what they've done? You think they're just so far gone that they're just going to die because. Because the thing is, Dennis Raider doesn't feel any remorse because he. In his mind, he doesn't think he did anything wrong, Right?

[Chris Distefano]

Well, yeah. I don't know. Does he? Yeah. I don't.

[Yannis Pappas]

I don't think he does.

[Chris Distefano]

I don't think he. Maybe you're right. I don't know. I think they probably will be able to do something because, look, they can already stimulate. You know, they have that electronic stimulation for depression. They can do things, right. The electricity of your brain.

[Yannis Pappas]

Right.

[Chris Distefano]

I wonder if there will come a point where they can. Where they can enhance your amygdala. They can do things right? With neuralink type of technology. I mean, pretty soon, I think that we're gonna have a cure to a lot of things. My only question is, will we then become very boring?

[Yannis Pappas]

Right.

[Chris Distefano]

Like, you know, will there be no more affairs or murders or things that really give us the thing?

[Yannis Pappas]

Spice it up.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah. There will be nobody to give us a tingle.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

No more Al Capones, because they'll just turn him into a choir boy.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

I mean, what. What's. What's it gonna be?

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah, that's true.

[Chris Distefano]

I, like, go in and you go, hey, I want to be a good person.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

I want to be a monogamous, good father.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

Doesn't covet thy neighbor's wife. And then you're going like, well, where are all the stories going to come from?

[Yannis Pappas]

Right.

[Chris Distefano]

Because all the stories come from human flaws, from emotions, from the gods laughing at our mortality.

[Yannis Pappas]

See that? And that's just true, like, in human brains. I mean, like, you know, me and my girl have been on such good terms, and we don't fight anymore. So I just have to pick fights with my manager now, right? That's just what it is, right?

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah.

[Yannis Pappas]

Now let's listen to this.

[Chris Distefano]

Why does he have a nickname?

[Yannis Pappas]

Whoa. Your manager? Yeah, he's another guy that gave himself the nickname, like, btk. Good. And he started talking and kind of danced around for a while. Gets close now.

[Chris Distefano]

Can you pause it for a second? Every white guy to me in the Midwest looks like they could have panties right? In their basement.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah. They all look like.

[Chris Distefano]

I don't know why they all look that way.

[Yannis Pappas]

They all look like they have panties in their basement. They all look like they have active congestive heart failure. I mean, this. That guy looks like. Get. And they could nail him. Let's see. Here we go.

[Chris Distefano]

Get out the DNA, right? You can't get out of your DNA unless you've had a Total blood transfer and lost every.

[Yannis Pappas]

It's there and is at the almost.

[Chris Distefano]

The exact three hour mark of them.

[Yannis Pappas]

Being in the room. And you said, you got me. I'm.

[Chris Distefano]

I'm btk.

[Yannis Pappas]

Just.

[Chris Distefano]

You guys know.

[Yannis Pappas]

They'Re talking to ray raider and Lt. Lanwear pulls up in a Ziploc evidence baggage.

[Chris Distefano]

By the way, great commercial for McDonald's.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

He's having a little Mickey D's.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yummy. Know what this is? Dennis Raider starts poking his finger forceful on this floppy desk. And he says, I got a question on your desk. Sure. Because I was trying to catch you. And Lieutenant says, I was trying to catch you.

[Chris Distefano]

It took a while for Dennis. Yeah.

[Yannis Pappas]

The narcissism's crazy.

[Chris Distefano]

He told police, like, why did you follow my rules?

[Yannis Pappas]

Right. But you see that? Like, that's what I mean. Like, and there's more when you watch the documentary and if you just go. Dennis Raider himself has given many interviews, like on YouTube. And it's. The narcissism is like that. Like, there is absolutely zero remorse or zero accountability. He's like, why? You just. You've wronged me.

[Chris Distefano]

Right.

[Yannis Pappas]

It's very interesting. Right.

[Chris Distefano]

Well, that's how all psychopaths are. High levels of narcissism. And they always blame. That's what narcissists do is they blame everyone else.

[Yannis Pappas]

Right.

[Chris Distefano]

They're victims, perpetual victims of circumstance, of other people.

[Yannis Pappas]

This is why, going back full circle from the original bean cast, go find Jesus. He's out there. He's waiting for you with open arms. Okay? Those holes in his hands and feet are for you to crawl into and you to get through, okay? Go back to church. Embrace whatever religion it is. As long as Jesus is at the helm, you're safe, baby. Gorgeous.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah. I mean, at the end of the.

[Yannis Pappas]

Day, Jesus will save you.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah. At the end of the day, this is really a dead breed. This is, you know, these are like. This is. Serial killers are kind of like the, the late night set.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

It's just, it's. It's had its time.

[Yannis Pappas]

It's like mass shootings. It's like there's a mass shooting every other day now. It's not news anymore.

[Chris Distefano]

That's not what I was saying.

[Yannis Pappas]

Okay, Sorry for point. Okay. I'm just saying everything's a mass shooting now. It's like a guy goes and kills, you know, his, his, his ex girlfriend's, you know, husband, and now that's a mass shooting because he killed two people. Okay? News just wants to use words.

[Chris Distefano]

That's what that's what Chrissy's group chat leaks into the podcast.

[Yannis Pappas]

What it is.

[Chris Distefano]

There was. There was one yesterday, which is really funny. In South Carolina, they four were killed. It was at a restaurant in South Carolina. No, but they happen so frequently. Yeah, nobody cares. Some guy just went into a restaurant, just started fucking shooting. But.

[Yannis Pappas]

Oh, that. I thought that was like a domestic dispute. That was just a rando.

[Chris Distefano]

I don't know. I didn't read the article.

[Yannis Pappas]

It's probably I didn't even read the.

[Chris Distefano]

Article because I was like. Yep. But what I was saying is not so much that analogy, but that serial killers can't get away with it anymore.

[Yannis Pappas]

Right.

[Chris Distefano]

Have you noticed that there are no more serial killers?

[Yannis Pappas]

Because Dennis Ray. Because of technology.

[Chris Distefano]

Exactly.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

It's the same thing with the late night sets. Now they got the Internet. Internet. So interesting.

[Yannis Pappas]

That's what you meant.

[Chris Distefano]

That's what I meant. So it's like we lost them but they. Where are they're doing? What are they getting into now?

[Yannis Pappas]

Right.

[Chris Distefano]

Because they can't. They can't get away with it the way that they could. Right. Because of DNA and surveillance and things like that. So I wonder what these personality types are up to. I'm sure I would guess a lot of them have become stand up comedians.

[Yannis Pappas]

It's what it is.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah. If you want to see that, the new serial killers you can just go to kill Tony. All right, folks, as always, patreon.com history Hyenas, the newest members of the matriarchy. We like to read your names out. This is the most fun we have in the show. Tell your friends about our pod. Tell our friends about our Patreon. We're really going wild here. And let us know, did you learn anything today in about the BTK killer? Write a comment. Did you like it? Did you not like it? Let us know patreon.comhistoryhyenas. here we go. Leading off, Bonnie Blue getting glued by a thousand Jews.

[Chris Distefano]

Wei Song, Xiang Drexler right off the bat. Very good.

[Yannis Pappas]

Jada Schaefer, Luke Di, Flippo Sleepy. Then we got my favorite part of a blowjob is the taste on the list. And he put hashtag squeak on the list.

[Chris Distefano]

That's what you call a reversal.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

Nice one. Yeah. Misdirection.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah. Then we got a kangaroo Jack who cut off his cap, sent it to Bibi, but like Greta was Frisbee right back.

[Chris Distefano]

Put him on the list. Okay.

[Yannis Pappas]

There you go.

[Chris Distefano]

That's a contender. Take a second to think about that. You have to know current Events have to know that she was on the flotilla. I love the name of that. And that she was sent back and, you know, got circumcised. There's a lot of stuff, a lot of layers there.

[Yannis Pappas]

Layers. Working for ICE in hopes of cuffing Chrissy's wife. Put him on the list, even though it's stupid because she's Puerto Rican and she's a citizen.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah. But, you know, it's funny. We just had maybe for the first time, a hat trick. That was three in a row.

[Yannis Pappas]

That's a hat trick.

[Chris Distefano]

That's what you call a strong long draft year.

[Yannis Pappas]

That's what it is. We call that a Gretzky.

[Chris Distefano]

We call that a lottery.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah, it's a lottery.

[Chris Distefano]

Picks.

[Yannis Pappas]

Were Frisbees with ADD exempt from concentration camps.

[Chris Distefano]

Walked into one. He was going for a drug. I don't really understand it, I guess.

[Yannis Pappas]

Because he's saying if they had add, they can't concentrate.

[Chris Distefano]

WEI SONG she ain't. Oh, it's good.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

Wow. It's so good. It went over my head. Yeah, it's a walked into one, but it should be on the list. Okay, you know what? I'm going to list it because you're going to lose.

[Yannis Pappas]

So then we have four in a row. Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

Just because it's so good.

[Yannis Pappas]

That's what we call the golden sombrero. Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

They have add, so no, concentrate. I mean, that's a good one.

[Yannis Pappas]

Then we got Skyler. Then we got crack, crack AOC and leave her. Crack AOC and leave her. Call it the Tootin Scoot. Okay. Ty Boland. Matt harmon. Our King, 1996. Oh, Rodney King, 1996.

[Chris Distefano]

Okay.

[Yannis Pappas]

Walked into one.

[Chris Distefano]

Walked into one.

[Yannis Pappas]

Dustin Kress. Bruce Leroy. Jasper.

[Chris Distefano]

Bruce Leroy. Chicken finger.

[Yannis Pappas]

Bruce Leroy is actually chicken finger. Yeah. Mky Branda. Then we got Ari Shafir's Frisbee turned to a mask since Kobe. 19. Okay.

[Chris Distefano]

Okay.

[Yannis Pappas]

Dan White, Theodore Rim Jobs. Felt. Portuguese Catholic boy from Azores. Banged 4 muzzy in Lahore. Now my crooked glue gun points toward Mecca and shooting shoots.

[Chris Distefano]

Okay. It's a mouthful.

[Yannis Pappas]

L.J. obama's swimming school Way song.

[Chris Distefano]

She Ain't Drexler. Very good one. Any other day. Any other day. That was a really good one. Should I list it?

[Yannis Pappas]

List it. All right, all right. Gotta let.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah.

[Yannis Pappas]

Genuine laugh. David Lopez. Justin Sandberg accidentally came in her ass. Now expecting Leroy's.

[Chris Distefano]

Ladder for a D game.

[Yannis Pappas]

We got to put on the list this. This is a crazy list so far.

[Chris Distefano]

You got to put. I mean, it's a walked into one.

[Yannis Pappas]

Kind of.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah, It's a bad one.

[Yannis Pappas]

Put it on the list. All right. It's on the list. Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

This might be a walked into a list.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah. Leroy, who loves a nice game. Okay.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah, it's a walked in one.

[Yannis Pappas]

Jesus A. Barrios.

[Chris Distefano]

But it's funny because it was a black guy who made that.

[Yannis Pappas]

That. Yeah. Robbie Bouchard, Eli Schwartz. Nicotine fiend with a zinni in my peen. Ladder 14. Kyle Nussbaum. Travis Whittam, Yanni Consales. Clitorsaurus Rex.

[Chris Distefano]

Chicken finger.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah, that's what it is.

[Chris Distefano]

Chicken finger.

[Yannis Pappas]

Vlad the Impalers Discount Proctology Clinic.

[Chris Distefano]

That's a good one.

[Yannis Pappas]

It's a good one.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah.

[Yannis Pappas]

Historically accurate. Drexler, Tammy, Nicholas. I cracked open Chrissy D's body. Dysmorphia. Pierre tried to fart, but da shit.

[Chris Distefano]

Very good.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

Very good.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

Is that a Dash it. Dash it. Chicken finger.

[Yannis Pappas]

Joey donuts. Poop. Slurper. Straight to the crack. Chicken finger high all great list high all Hitler. That's. There's my sound bite. Jackson. Manure is just there to mask the Amish fumes. Ok.

[Chris Distefano]

It's true.

[Yannis Pappas]

Tanner X now has stick shift and got close with God. Manual transmission.

[Chris Distefano]

Don't understand it.

[Yannis Pappas]

Don't get it. OK. Davis Cummings tree. Kelsey Wilson. J.D. prance. Made his eyeliner run. My glue gun. Okay. He said he came on his face.

[Chris Distefano]

We have a sticker on the window there. Look at that. Reality Suggestions?

[Yannis Pappas]

Sticker.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah.

[Yannis Pappas]

Boom. We made it.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah. By the way, go to our website, get our merch. We have stickers up there as well.

[Yannis Pappas]

History Hyenas is back dot com.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah.

[Yannis Pappas]

Like my cars. Like I like my fridge.

[Chris Distefano]

No, that's.

[Yannis Pappas]

It.

[Chris Distefano]

Walked into one big.

[Yannis Pappas]

Walked in one hand cannot do that. All right. Frisbee Bernstein sinking an Iranian submarine with laser beam. Leroy's fume machine.

[Chris Distefano]

He went for everything. He threw the whole kitchen sink at it.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah. Hanging Epstein files of Babylon. Frump for Friends Inc. And Coco Patel. Chrissy, make no mistake. Chrissy, make no mistake. And on to leave your 13 year old home alone with Karl Malone.

[Chris Distefano]

I know what he's going for, right? Karl malone impregnated a 13 year old.

[Yannis Pappas]

Got it.

[Chris Distefano]

Okay, it's. Say it again because it's probably good.

[Yannis Pappas]

Chrissy, make no mistake. And. And don. Leave your 13 year old home alone with Carl Malone. It. It probably should have just been. Leave your 13 year old alone home with Carl Malone. Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

If he would have done, he might have even won. He. I mean, he would have been a contender if he did something with the Home Alone movie. 13 year old home Alone car. I know what you're going for, but you need to just chat GBD to help you punch it up.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah. Jeremy vezina, Mitch Raymond, $5 Patreon to see Muhammad Chrissy had drawn Dylan Stolicker, Alex B. Jonathan Gilrone, Noah Bergman, Alex Steely off the beam since St. Thomas. Aqua anus Black holed my atheist meat vessel. Analogously. Analogously, how do you say. Yeah, all right, couple more. Dawn Holland, Michael Clark Jordan, Fart guy.

[Chris Distefano]

Call me Fart guy.

[Yannis Pappas]

Chicken finger like it call me Julius Seizure because of the amount of sauce monkeys that go up my ass. He spelled a seizure like a seizure.

[Chris Distefano]

Yes. We're gonna Drexler the other day.

[Yannis Pappas]

Okay, then we got Jamil Rahman. Oh, welcome Muzzy cousin David Johnson. Thought you played at St. Joe's with my boy Jo. Chet Stachiches. Hashtag Whites playing from the blacks. Okay.

[Chris Distefano]

Some kid recognized St. Joe's.

[Yannis Pappas]

All right. Chase Ward, Brian Logan, Jonathan Friedkinson, Billiam H. Gates, Digby Thick, Brandon Farlow stuff Stiff Frisbee Nut Sock. Anthony Skyler Leaf.

[Chris Distefano]

So he jerks off in his sock a lot.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah, yeah, that's what it is. Play Frisbee Inside job. Hashtag October 7th. Okay. Chrissy Wissy's Cummy Tummy. Christopher Van Haren, Tony L. Joel, Rub my Russets Fitzpatrick One fish, two fish, the 911 Jew fish way song.

[Chris Distefano]

She ain't what?

[Yannis Pappas]

Call me JFK. The way I get Messy head in the back seat.

[Chris Distefano]

Okay, good, good.

[Yannis Pappas]

Toasty Jacob Smith, Zachary Barrett, Harry Bird, Josh David Swain, no Opinion. Brandon Cripps, CK Murdered and no buildings burned. It's what it is. Luciano. Luciano Rabbi sucked my foreskin. Now I have herpes Frank Sauce. Mel Gibson's voicemail greeting service.

[Chris Distefano]

That's a good one. Yeah, that's a good one.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah, that's what it is.

[Chris Distefano]

That's a good one. We're going to put that on the list.

[Yannis Pappas]

Mel Gibbs. Oh, sorry. Tim Bueller, Morgan Meyer, Sam Bot, Wefy, Hayden Cook, Wesley Levon Cameron Weeds, Eric the Eternal Fruit, Chicken Finger, Paul Smith, the Goat to Goat. And last but not least, Jessica Kierson's plastic glue gun on the list. Oh, wow, we got a list.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah.

[Yannis Pappas]

That's hilarious.

[Chris Distefano]

Okay, she's lesbian.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah. This is some freaking list.

[Chris Distefano]

Today we got our work cut out for us.

[Yannis Pappas]

All right. Okay, here we go. We go. All right, so let me start from the top. My favorite part of a blowjob is the taste. Hashtag squeak.

[Chris Distefano]

I Like it still in. I still in. I like it.

[Yannis Pappas]

A kangaroo jack who cut off his cap, sent it to bb, but like, Greta was frisbeed right back.

[Chris Distefano]

I love that. Okay, so you not like it now? I like it. Yeah. Keep it for now.

[Yannis Pappas]

Keep it for now. Working for ICE in hopes of cuffing Chrissy's wife.

[Chris Distefano]

We're gonna chicken figure that cuz you can't disparage the.

[Yannis Pappas]

Can't dispatch the family that's called.

[Chris Distefano]

And.

[Yannis Pappas]

And it would be better if she was Colombian, but she's Puerto Rican, so it doesn't make sense.

[Chris Distefano]

Why?

[Yannis Pappas]

Because I can't get the Puerto Ricans.

[Chris Distefano]

Oh, that's right.

[Yannis Pappas]

Right. Because.

[Chris Distefano]

Right. She's an American.

[Yannis Pappas]

She's the Commonwealth. So she's born with a passport. Right. I looked into it.

[Chris Distefano]

Right?

[Yannis Pappas]

Right.

[Chris Distefano]

That's right.

[Yannis Pappas]

It doesn't matter. They can't get deported.

[Chris Distefano]

Wow.

[Yannis Pappas]

They're us.

[Chris Distefano]

You can just flaunt their Puerto Rican. Right.

[Yannis Pappas]

Born in Puerto Rico, you get a full U.S. passport.

[Chris Distefano]

Right.

[Yannis Pappas]

What it is? Nicknotes.

[Chris Distefano]

So you got it. It's almost like you got a free ICE pass.

[Yannis Pappas]

It's what? Yeah, they're fine. Were Frisbees with AD exempt from. Were Frisbees with ADD exempt from concentration camps? That's the question.

[Chris Distefano]

Really good. It's a walked in one, but we're going to keep it around because of just how good it is.

[Yannis Pappas]

Okay.

[Chris Distefano]

I'm sorry. It's just so good.

[Yannis Pappas]

Obama's swimming school.

[Chris Distefano]

We're going to keep that around. This is going to be a tough one. That's a tough one.

[Yannis Pappas]

Accidentally came in her ass. Now expecting Leroy's.

[Chris Distefano]

We're going to keep that one around. I mean, we got to work cut out for us boys.

[Yannis Pappas]

And then we got Mel Gibson's voicemail greeting service.

[Chris Distefano]

We're going to chicken finger that.

[Yannis Pappas]

All right. All right.

[Chris Distefano]

Okay. So we got to cut it down.

[Yannis Pappas]

And what about Jessica Kirsten's plastic glue gun?

[Chris Distefano]

We're going to. We're going to chicken figure that. I. I like that one, though.

[Yannis Pappas]

Okay. All right.

[Chris Distefano]

We got our work cut out for us, boys.

[Yannis Pappas]

All right, so here we go. My favorite part of a blowjob is the taste. Hashtag squeak.

[Chris Distefano]

Should we chicken figure that?

[Yannis Pappas]

It's a good one this direction, but.

[Chris Distefano]

It'S just really unfortunate.

[Yannis Pappas]

A kangaroo jack cut off his cap, sent it to bb, but like, Greta was frisbeed right back.

[Chris Distefano]

So he. So he circumcised himself.

[Yannis Pappas]

Right?

[Chris Distefano]

Like, sent it to Bibi and then he was sent back like Gret on the flotilla. It's complicated. Jesse doesn't love it.

[Yannis Pappas]

What's a kangaroo jack mean? Australian.

[Chris Distefano]

Australia.

[Yannis Pappas]

Okay. Okay.

[Chris Distefano]

What do you think? Keep it or go, Nick. We're going to take it. You drexlered, unfortunately.

[Yannis Pappas]

Okay.

[Chris Distefano]

But. But thank you for your service. Funny.

[Yannis Pappas]

So now we got were frisbees with ADD exempt from concentration camp.

[Chris Distefano]

That is so good. But it is kind of a walked into one.

[Yannis Pappas]

So it's got to go for that.

[Chris Distefano]

I got to go.

[Yannis Pappas]

But different list.

[Chris Distefano]

But next level as far as the word play.

[Yannis Pappas]

Then we got Obama swimming school.

[Chris Distefano]

That's. That's so funny. We're going to keep it for the funny factor.

[Yannis Pappas]

And then we got accidentally came in her ass now expecting Leroy's.

[Chris Distefano]

That's kind of a walked into one.

[Yannis Pappas]

But it's good.

[Chris Distefano]

It's really good.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah. Because he's saying that her kids are gonna.

[Chris Distefano]

I get it. Yeah. I get it. It. I get it. It's so good. But if we're gonna. If we're gonna.

[Yannis Pappas]

Well, the only ones left are Obama swimming school and accidentally came in her ass.

[Chris Distefano]

Now I know that's what I'm. That's what's weirding me out here is because let me just say this. Obama swimming school is funny, but it's really kind of just a quick chicken finger. Rarely do chicken fingers win. You have to be a lot better, I think to win as a chicken finger.

[Yannis Pappas]

Right.

[Chris Distefano]

In my opinion.

[Yannis Pappas]

Right.

[Chris Distefano]

The other two are walked into ones, but they're both better.

[Yannis Pappas]

Right.

[Chris Distefano]

So if we're going to chicken finger the concentration. I think really, if we're going to go just on level of creativity, I think it's between the concentration camp. I think we chicken finger the Obama swimming school.

[Yannis Pappas]

Okay.

[Chris Distefano]

Am I right there?

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

So everyone. So you think bringing one back from the dead. Yeah, we're bringing back the concentration camp from the deck. Unfortunately, that couldn't be done then, but we just did it now.

[Yannis Pappas]

So it's really between where frisbees with ADD exempt from concentration kids camps. And accidentally came in her ass now expecting Leroy.

[Chris Distefano]

So who do we want to offend more? The blacks or the Jews?

[Yannis Pappas]

I mean, you know what, guys? You know what, Cuz here's the thing. Here's what I've noticed from performing live and from going through our members is we have more Jews than black. But listen, so should we. So let's offend the black. I want to keep the Jews.

[Chris Distefano]

So are we going to. So we're going to put that one up in the lights.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah, I think we just put up the lights because it's also funny. And the thing is, what I go for is, is I go for clips. When I think of clips for the show, I'm like, what made Giannis laugh big? And then with Patreon names, if it makes Jesse laugh big, go there and that. He laughed big. Yeah. That was.

[Chris Distefano]

Well, I think his biggest laugh was Bob's swimming School.

[Yannis Pappas]

No, no.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah. The Leroy's.

[Yannis Pappas]

The Leroy's in the ass. Caught him off guard. That one caught me off guard.

[Chris Distefano]

So congratulations. This is what we call the slip past the goalie episode because we're letting a walk into the one. Up into lights.

[Yannis Pappas]

Thank.

[Chris Distefano]

I mean, you're the headliner.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

Your name is up in lights.

[Yannis Pappas]

Yeah. Ppw. Sabrina the hyena will put your name up in lights on history dot com. Accidentally came in her ass. Now expecting Leroy's. You are the winner. Congratulations. I also want to shout out Sabrina Thyena. She brought wonderful linz tarts to my show at the Chevalier Theater in Boston, and they were amazing. We ate them on the way home.

[Chris Distefano]

And Doug Limu and I always tell you to customize your car insurance and save hundreds with Liberty Mutual. But now we want you to feel it. Cue the emu music. Limu. Save yourself money today. Increase your wealth. Customize and save. We say that may have been too much feeling. Only pay for what you need@liberty mutual.com.

[Yannis Pappas]

Liberty.

[Chris Distefano]

Liberty. Liberty. Liberty Savings. Very underwritten by Liberty Mutual Insurance Company Affiliates.

[Yannis Pappas]

Excludes Massachusetts.