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Giannis Pappas
Hey, everybody. This episode coming up with Big J Okerson is a smash. We talk Philadelphia, we talk a little Frank Rizzo, and we talk some fun liposuction stories.
Chris Distefano
Big J's got some of the best stories in the business. This one is legitimately hilarious from start to finish. Right. I will be on the road this weekend. This Friday, I'm in WA. I'm sorry. This Thursday, I'm in Washington, D.C. at the Warner Theater. Friday I am at the Carolina Theater, Durham, North Carolina. Saturday I am at Charleston Music hall in Charleston, South Carolina. Christy comedy.com if you want to see Chrissy Antebellum. Chrissy Southern Bell.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah. And only thing I have in the books is November in Montana at the performing arts center or something. November 22nd or something. Go to my website giannispapiscomedy.com for tickets. And the special's coming out somewhere. What's up, everybody? Welcome to another episode of History Hyenas. Today we got a special guest, one of the funniest comedians, one of my favorite comedians, one of your favorite comedians who's got a new special out right now on YouTube. Part two.
Big J Okerson
Him, her, them, they, them.
Giannis Pappas
They. I got my pronouns wrong.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
I got the pronouns gendered.
Giannis Pappas
My special, the great Jay Okerson. Everybody.
Chris Distefano
Yes.
Big J Okerson
What's up, gentlemen?
Chris Distefano
What's up, everybody? Now listen, dude, we're going to come in here. We said we're going to talk about your Philadelphia kid. We want to talk about the wild history of the crazy Philadelphia mayors. What is it about the city of Philadelphia that just gets the wildest mayors?
Big J Okerson
I don't know. I never lived in, in Philadelphia through voting, so I never paid attention much. I would just see like what they left in their wake. The mayor itself position, never when I lived there, never meant much to me.
Chris Distefano
Right.
Giannis Pappas
Didn't come from like a strong political family. Who is saying we got to vote for this person for this reason?
Big J Okerson
No, no my mom's ever voted. Ever.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, well, it's the same thing in New York. No, I don't know anyone who's ever voted for the mayor.
Big J Okerson
Yeah, yeah.
Chris Distefano
Like, I don't know how they actually get elected. I don't know anyone who votes.
Giannis Pappas
I didn't know anyone who was like aware of local politics or who those politicians were until about like four years ago. Now it seems like even 12 year olds are vot for like city councilmen.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, yeah.
Big J Okerson
We just hear the names of people. When I first moved to New York, it was Giuliani and they were like, clean up the city, handled 911. Great.
Chris Distefano
Right.
Big J Okerson
And then. And then it went to. Right after that was Bloomberg. Bloomberg, yeah. Whoever was like, this guy's gonna suck. And then they were like, he was great.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
He should have stayed forever.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
And then it was the guy who slept through the snow.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah. That was Wilhelm. His real name is Vilhelm.
Chris Distefano
Oh, Bill de Blasio.
Big J Okerson
Yeah.
Giannis Pappas
How great is it to build? People hate him. He's a German guy who changed his name to Bill de Blasio to sound Italian.
Big J Okerson
Really?
Chris Distefano
He's a real scum. He's like, true scum. And his wife. Ex wife. Now stole something like $80 million from the city and just was never prosecuted for it. That's what they say, really, that she just stole it. Like, this money was never cash.
Big J Okerson
Just turning her bra.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Little something for me.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. I mean, I remember Mike Bloomberg. Like, everyone in New York was mad at him because he banned Big Gulps.
Big J Okerson
Yeah. Yeah. You can't just have big sodas anymore.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
But that was several small sodas.
Chris Distefano
That was the worst thing about him.
Giannis Pappas
Yo. Being a mayor of Philly is difficult because. I don't know, Philly, to me is always. I've always felt like, you know, some cities are block to block. You go to Jacksonville, Florida. You're on, like, a great block. Then you turn a corner and you're like. You see a couple black kids without shirts on speed bikes, and you're like, this is bad. Philly's like, person to person.
Big J Okerson
Oh, yeah.
Giannis Pappas
You're like. You're right there at the, like, Ben Franklin grave. And then you turn a corner, and then you're like, oh, my God. It's not even. You're in a bad neighborhood. You're just around bad people.
Chris Distefano
Bad guy.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
It's, like, dilapidated.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Itself. Like, when you go to places down there, if someone gives you an address once you get off, like, the highways.
Chris Distefano
You'Re like, what the hell?
Big J Okerson
Someone burned this down already?
Chris Distefano
Yeah, yeah.
Big J Okerson
The work's been done. It's. Yeah, it's a very, very strange place. And Phil. Yeah, it was person to person for sure. But it's also like, bad neighbor. You know, usually they said, like, people would come in and like, gentrify an area and then pushes everything out. It went the opposite. It was. It was like black people would move in, and then the Jews started moving to where the Italians were, which pushed the Italians completely out.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
And it just kept going. And then, like, the. So North Philly and West Philly just kind of converged. Would have became an All a bad neighborhood.
Chris Distefano
Right.
Big J Okerson
And then there is no East Philly for some reason.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Giannis Pappas
There is no East.
Chris Distefano
It just doesn't exist.
Big J Okerson
Yeah, Just. Just New Jersey.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah. Wow.
Big J Okerson
They start calling Center City. Yeah, it's like, center city north, south and west, right?
Giannis Pappas
Yeah. It's funny because, like, South Philly still.
Big J Okerson
Like, I guess it's hilariously white to a degree, like, the areas of it. But, like, that's where it gets people to people. It's like the worst kind for you to have worked and tried and did everything your whole life. And, like, your grandma's house is still like a row home next to a trap house. And. Yeah, when I went to my grand. My grandmother in West Philly, before she moved my parents and went to, like, nursing home, ultimately, she just would never move. And so it was just. But they would just, like, integrate them into the neighborhood.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Like, the older people that stayed. So it would. I remember going there and just like, battle raps happening on the front steps of my grandma's house.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Because the neighbors were just one of those houses. Like, it was a, you know, half plywood doors. The other one took a bag. But they were just like. As soon as my grandmother, you know, I'd be walking up to her house, like, ah, shit.
Chris Distefano
Right?
Big J Okerson
And then my grandmother would be like, you know, say, hey, T bone Tyrell, hey, Ms. Jeanette.
Chris Distefano
Two rags.
Big J Okerson
She would tell me stories of, like. She goes, there was some kids outside and they were throwing rocks at the house. And I got the one, like, little girl. He goes, and I brought her inside. And I was like, I've been very nice to you and I've done this. And I let you use my phone when you were locked. You're, like, telling her. And I was like, did she attack you after? Like, I just couldn't believe she gets there, starts yelling at kids and stuff. You're out of your mind.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah, yeah. Well, they were neighbors. There is a friendly community.
Chris Distefano
I think, too. Like, you and I, when we go to Philly, I think we only ever go to South Philly. Right. Like, we would have never been to West Philly or these other parts. Like, what? Every time I go Philadelphia, you hear how bad it is, the drugs, and I think Kensington. But I'm like, every time I go to Philly, it feels like an alternative New York. But I must be going to, like, just the tourist part of.
Big J Okerson
Right. Well, if you're down by, like, heliums and, like, the comedy, that's where I go. Yeah, it's that center city. So that's like no work during the day. I'm sure there's crimes at night time. It's desolate.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. Right.
Big J Okerson
Also, just like you said, there's still bars down there and everything. So it's more of a jumping area. Yeah. Once you get to the residential shitty, if you go to pretty bad.
Giannis Pappas
Is that really still bad? Yeah. So I did my senior thesis paper on magnet school schools and the one that was like right by Temple. You know what magnet schools are?
Chris Distefano
No.
Giannis Pappas
Where they like try to collect, like, you know, disenfranchised kids and they all go to the same school.
Chris Distefano
Okay.
Giannis Pappas
And yeah. The neighborhood around Philly is like, it looked like Iraq.
Big J Okerson
Yeah.
Giannis Pappas
At the time because I was in college. It was like, it's so dangerous.
Big J Okerson
Yeah, yeah. Temples, Right. In North Philadelphia. It's in like the skated temple. I was driving by Temple once when a hooker jumped in my car. When everyone just had a Nokia phone.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
And it cost money to use it constantly.
Chris Distefano
Oh, yeah. You have to pay for minutes.
Big J Okerson
Yeah, yeah. And this, this lady jumped in my car and she was just offering me, you know, to. For money. And I was like, I was like, get out of my car, please. No. And she goes, she's let me use your phone to call my mama. Like, no, get out. And she goes, she goes, come on. Well, give me $2 to get out. And I gave it to her.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Please get out.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
This got robbed politely by a junkie prostitute. Yeah. That is Kensington is the beautiful thing about it. Because that's so. That's just drugs. And they have those. If you go on YouTube, I've killed many an hour just you could put on. There's. They have cameras just up in Kensington. You just watch at night, like the chaos.
Chris Distefano
Right.
Big J Okerson
Of that drug riddle place. But because it's so drug riddled. No race lines whatsoever in Kensington. That's what's good. You don't even see a thing. You don't see white people afraid of walking by black people or vice versa in any kind of way.
Chris Distefano
Right.
Big J Okerson
Because everyone is just there for drugs.
Giannis Pappas
Nothing, nothing brings people together, if you notice, like money. Like there's no racism amongst the really rich. There's no racism amongst like drug addicts.
Chris Distefano
No.
Big J Okerson
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
I always say there's no racism amongst money, drug addicts or children. They're all. Everyone just gets along there.
Big J Okerson
Even drugs?
Chris Distefano
Yes.
Giannis Pappas
It depends on who the parents of the children are.
Chris Distefano
No, I'm telling you, dude, it's hard to corrupt these little kids.
Giannis Pappas
Well, one time I was in a supermarket and I did see a lady with her daughter, and there was a black guy walking by, and she went, look, mommy, a nickel. So I was like, that one. She's getting started early. Yeah, she's tiger mom in that one. Racism, huh?
Big J Okerson
Is that where you live?
Giannis Pappas
No, this was in Brooklyn. Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Really?
Giannis Pappas
Yeah. Not up. I moved. She just went, look, Mommy, there's a nickel.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, it's just. What?
Giannis Pappas
Nickel? Yeah.
Big J Okerson
You teach racism in Brooklyn, you're setting your kid to get killed.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah, set it up.
Chris Distefano
You're just going to see the group you hate on the next train stop. Yeah, it's. Yeah, it's stupid.
Giannis Pappas
But.
Chris Distefano
But so. So for me, Philly, you know, we did an episode five, six years ago on this show about Frank Rizzo, the legendary mayor of Philly. Is that Chris Italian?
Giannis Pappas
Could have been Chris Italian walking by.
Chris Distefano
Going by in a chair.
Big J Okerson
Hey, guys.
Chris Distefano
So we did this episode on Frank Rizzo, legendary Philadelphia mayor. Crumbum. I'll take the both of these. Physically. We watched. We watched video after video after video.
Giannis Pappas
You remember this one? Frank Rizzo, Nobody Loves Me like the Negro community.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, yeah, we watched it last time on you. Can we put a little bit.
Giannis Pappas
He hit the. It was like, close to Negro.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
I'm pretty sure when we asked Johnny Brennan of the Jerky Boys when they would do Frank Rizzo, open yours. I was like, was that bait? And they were like, oh, yeah, we got the name.
Chris Distefano
Were they Philly guys?
Big J Okerson
They were just like. The guy was so notoriously, like, wow.
Giannis Pappas
I didn't realize that it was based on the Frank Rizzo.
Big J Okerson
Just using that term. Is the name, like, Frank Rizzo is jerk off.
Giannis Pappas
Our Frank Rizzo episode is like one of our fans classics, and you're a guy from Philly. So we wanted to talk about some of the wild mayors that we've had and revisit Frank Rizzo. Do you remember you were a little kid.
Big J Okerson
I guess you were pretty young for Frank Rizzo.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah. The lore was around, right?
Big J Okerson
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I feel like he had, like, murals painted of himself, which was great. It might still stand there.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Just old, like, you know, they have, like that tonic hair. What do you call it? Like the talc.
Chris Distefano
Oh, yeah.
Big J Okerson
Where, you know, they dip a comb in something before they comb it every day. That's somehow in the. In the mural.
Chris Distefano
They said that they removed the Frank Rizzo statue in the protests of 2020 in Center City Philly. They took his statues down.
Big J Okerson
Really?
Chris Distefano
Yeah. Pull up the video, Jesse.
Giannis Pappas
There you. He was a really tough guy.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
He was.
Giannis Pappas
He was just a Philly Italian.
Big J Okerson
Oh, yeah, absolutely. You know, my dad grew up in Philly, and there was like, a pretty prominent Philly mobile actually at that time. Yeah, that was younger. My dad remembers a story of a. Do you have your chicken Sal Testa?
Giannis Pappas
No.
Chris Distefano
No.
Big J Okerson
Blew up his house. Like, his house was blown up in Philadelphia. There's like, great, like, Philadelphia mob stories. It was pretty serious until when I was a teenager. The Philadelphia mob was laughable. I think they were violent, but they were young guys, right? And they were like. It was the era of, like, young mobsters who were like, yeah, we're mobsters.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
You're like. They wanted the world to know. Like, they weren't hiding in any kind of way. They're just constantly in trouble and not letting to the Atlantic City casinos. And one of those.
Chris Distefano
One of those Philly. Philly guy, I think is Nikki Scarfo. He was like, bad, bad. Like, legendary. Like, absolutely. Like, kill you, dismember your body type. Real.
Big J Okerson
And I think Joey Merlino is the kid who stood up to him and kind of took it over.
Chris Distefano
Right.
Big J Okerson
And it was just become a young. Bunch of young violent guys.
Chris Distefano
Let this put in Frank Rizzo.
Big J Okerson
It looks like Stalin.
Giannis Pappas
Statue. It's a statue of a mayor. Like, he's Mao.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. Get crumb bum Jesse down there. Like, fourth down. Thank you.
Big J Okerson
Yeah. Ye.
Chris Distefano
These. These are the one. Yeah. This one. This one.
Giannis Pappas
Have you ever seen this?
Big J Okerson
I love. There's a statue of him. The statue of Iverson's this big.
Giannis Pappas
Yes.
Chris Distefano
Does this look like a normal Philly block to you?
Big J Okerson
Suburbs.
Giannis Pappas
He must be in the main line. So Frank Rizzo gets a little annoyed with the reporter here.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, yeah. Just. He's had enough.
Giannis Pappas
He's had enough for this guy.
Big J Okerson
People go on Mr. Rizzle's property. Yeah.
Chris Distefano
Can't go on the guy's property is.
Big J Okerson
What cameraman Meyer saw through the lens of the hidden 19 camera that morning. Not much happened for about three hours.
Giannis Pappas
Well, you know, in his defense, your cap. You're camped out outside the guy's property. You get a little annoyed.
Chris Distefano
I would get pissed off, too.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
Comes out and walk his dog.
Big J Okerson
What was the guy. I don't think that was his cabinet at all. That's the guy who shot himself on live tv.
Chris Distefano
Oh, yeah, that. Remember that? Was that a Philly guy?
Big J Okerson
He was like the Philadelphia treasurer or something. It was something crazy.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. Have you ever seen that?
Giannis Pappas
No.
Chris Distefano
That guy blew his brains out.
Big J Okerson
They really. It's almost never censored, by the way. When you see it.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, you can totally see it. Yeah.
Giannis Pappas
Oh, I remember that video. Yeah.
Big J Okerson
He starts, everybody, get away. He's like, get away?
Giannis Pappas
Yeah, get away.
Big J Okerson
First he tells people they're gonna leave. He goes, don't leave. You're gonna want to see this. And then he starts telling people to get away so they don't get hurt. And.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Blows his brains out on tv and just. It's so real.
Chris Distefano
Hey, Jess, can you just play. Because I love the part when he.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah, just let it go. It's about to happen.
Big J Okerson
Over this official Philadelphia police press pass in order to clearly identify himself to everybody on the scene. And also remember, as Frank Rizzo is not a member of the Philadelphia Police. Like a. And this is supposed to be an official Tom Landry.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Here we go.
Chris Distefano
Here we go. All right. Look at this.
Big J Okerson
Wait a minute.
Chris Distefano
Let him.
Big J Okerson
My damn primes. That's enough. We want to know who you are.
Chris Distefano
Who are you, sir?
Big J Okerson
Identification. Come on out. Like Mayor Joey Diaz.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Come out holding your hands up like that. You'll get.
Chris Distefano
You'll get.
Big J Okerson
You'll get in trouble.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
You want to know who you are and what you're doing up here.
Chris Distefano
It's crazy to have a mayor in your face like that.
Giannis Pappas
Look, he's still jacked, too. He's still a big guy with his.
Big J Okerson
With his, like, members, the detail of, like, cops with him.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
A lot easier to stop and tell us you're here.
Chris Distefano
We don't know.
Big J Okerson
He's saying you have a dog in here.
Chris Distefano
Right?
Giannis Pappas
Dog?
Big J Okerson
We could have shot you or something. We don't know. Yeah.
Giannis Pappas
Frank, Rizzo just attacked. Good.
Big J Okerson
Turn that off. It's on.
Chris Distefano
It's on.
Big J Okerson
It's still on.
Chris Distefano
Still on.
Big J Okerson
Let me tell you something. What a better time.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
I wish our mayors did this.
Big J Okerson
I just can't understand. It's all right. Get out of here. You want another pop? Give me another pop. Eh?
Chris Distefano
I mean, yeah. The crumb bum. When did you say crumb bum? That was classic.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah, that was another time he was getting followed. You have to. Hey, you pulled it up. Crumb gum. And this is what came up. Yeah. It happened on this day. Maybe later in the video.
Chris Distefano
Maybe later in the video.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just scroll. Just scroll with your. No, scroll on the timeline.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah. There we go.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, yeah. Hit it right there. Yeah. This. Yeah, that's where.
Big J Okerson
Look, creep. Get out of here. How could you justify your actions at our cameras last Monday in front of your house? You're a creep. Remember? The best is creepy. It's definitely. He knows he's on tv.
Chris Distefano
Oh yeah.
Big J Okerson
He knows they're gonna air this.
Giannis Pappas
He doesn't care.
Big J Okerson
That's 3 is 3's NBC about hiding behind anything. Dude, there's a gang of you here. There's enough of you here by myself. I'll take you physically get away from me. Well, sir, I'm on the third street. I should be. I should be authorized to be here. That break it over your head from me. You crumb.
Chris Distefano
You crumb.
Big J Okerson
Challenge. Except I'll put my dog away and I'll come back and you got 1, 2, 3. And I'll do it alone with you in that back of that fence. Just the three of us. It's such great talk because show you what kind any two guys are going to beat the out of Franklin. He's an older man. It's like, you know, I get it but like there's no way. I'm sure the guy a guy was holding that 1980 camera individually beat the out of Frankfurt. I love. He still thinks he can spirit.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Still thinks he can. I bet it still looks scary though when he. When he gives you like a. Yeah. Base of the chin. Like he's gonna give you a pop.
Chris Distefano
Dude that's.
Big J Okerson
He's got thick fingers like for sure.
Chris Distefano
But honestly, I think if somebody came out politically today and acted that way, the people would love it. They would rally around it. You don't think so?
Big J Okerson
I mean there's a faction that. Where the problem is like the. The flack for it would be too much. This guy never saw any of his flack.
Chris Distefano
He didn't know what going viral was.
Big J Okerson
Yeah. There was no such thing. So he would just say whatever he wanted and people were like probably afraid of him.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Giannis Pappas
I mean just back then.
Chris Distefano
I mean Frank Rizzo, man, he was term.
Giannis Pappas
It's funny because Philly had him probably at the same time that we had.
Chris Distefano
Ed Cox who everyone thought was gay.
Giannis Pappas
Which he was gay.
Chris Distefano
He was. Right. Is that a fact?
Giannis Pappas
That closeted homosexual. I mean he wasn't. He wasn't closeted in that he was hiding it from himself. Like he just. It was just. He was always like he had no wife or anything. He talked like I met Koch and like.
Chris Distefano
Right.
Giannis Pappas
He was. It was just again when you get.
Big J Okerson
The judge show he started spinning around all the time. So this is slimming.
Chris Distefano
Wasn't he the mayor? I think he really did this. He took people from a mental institution and let them loose in Central Park. Didn't he do that or is that an old wives tale.
Big J Okerson
Just let him go.
Giannis Pappas
No.
Chris Distefano
See, if Ed Koch actually did that, Mayor Ed Koch went to, I think it was Creedmoor or Bellevue Mental Institution, and he took them out and he let them loose in Central park one day. Yeah. Release mental patients.
Big J Okerson
Perfect. One mistake.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, yeah. Ed Koch releases Now while we look.
Giannis Pappas
That up, let me ask you, you never had any, like, dreams of, like, moving back to Philly and moving to Radner big house.
Big J Okerson
When I first left. You guys are both from New York, so it's like when I first left, I think anybody you leave with, like, the. All right, let me just move here, do what I got to do, get where I got to get so I can finally come back to Philly. Like, I couldn't even imagine.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Going back to Philadelphia.
Chris Distefano
Never.
Giannis Pappas
You're in New Yorker now. You've been here a long time.
Big J Okerson
Yeah. 23, four years.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
It's like, yeah. At this point, I'm a New Yorker. Not the teams.
Giannis Pappas
You never really lose the home phone, though. It's always there. Right.
Big J Okerson
I'll pick it up quick. I. I say water.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
But there's not a time that I say it where I don't think, like, the word water is coming up. Don't say water.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, like your, your mind, your brain is saying water, but your mouth saying water.
Big J Okerson
So what's funny about that? What's going back is my step. Pop is the smartest person I know. He's just like book smart, speed reader, funny. Also a power lifter, which is very funny. Like, he's. His personality. He's never been of a smart person, but he just is very, very smart. And when I talk to him on the phone, they're still like, they have the accents hard. So to hear someone who I respect that much smart. And he goes, just need to get a drink of water real quick. Like, you dummy.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah, yeah. It doesn't sound.
Big J Okerson
That's not how you say.
Chris Distefano
He's talking about, like, geopolitical. He's like, so, Jay, when are you coming home? Yeah, yeah.
Big J Okerson
When are you going to come home? Come buy the house.
Giannis Pappas
The problem is with Israel, Palestine. Yeah.
Chris Distefano
So funny.
Giannis Pappas
Because the British accent makes you feel smart even if you're saying the dumbest shit, but the Philly accent makes you sound stupid. Shane is smart shit.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Then it stretches right down to through Delaware and Maryland.
Chris Distefano
Right.
Big J Okerson
Maryland has it too.
Chris Distefano
Oh, yeah.
Big J Okerson
Jenna know that when I watched the Wire, I thought I was like, oh, maybe it's like they're gonna make. This character was like, Philly transport They go, no, they have the same accent.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah, it's like Atlantic kind of. What. Where does it come from? I wonder how it evolved in that.
Big J Okerson
Because it's unique, not attractive. Well, but I heard as bad as Boston and ugly.
Chris Distefano
But the, But I heard, I think, think it's, I think it's Philadelphia or Boston, which I know is a big. I got to know which one it is. But that whichever one is the closest to what the, like George Washington sounded like. Like that accent.
Giannis Pappas
That is true.
Chris Distefano
I forgot which one it is. It's either Boston or Phillies. What? They think they sounded like Franklin and, and Lincoln. Not Lincoln. Franklin.
Big J Okerson
And I'm gonna say it's definitely Boston. But it could be either one.
Chris Distefano
It could be either one. I, I, that's, you forgot.
Big J Okerson
And there are two local dumb people's interpretations of that. That's why they sound bad.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, they, that is, that would be.
Giannis Pappas
Really funny to hear that speech coming out of George Washington's mouth. And he just sounds like an Eagles fan.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, yeah. Or, or Boss Tony would be funny too.
Big J Okerson
Kurt Metzger wanted to make a show years ago called Young Ben Franklin, where I play young. Because he's like, ben Franklin's got a crazy history of a wild motherfucker. And he was like, just do a young Ben Franklin with exactly the accent and everything. Yeah, yeah, we're gonna Dead Kate, Liberty Bell today. Down statues.
Chris Distefano
I mean, they say Benjamin Franklin. Like, they literally. Historians kind of all agree on this, that that's why he was able to get France to join the war, because he was having sex with like four or five of the king's mistresses. And so he knew they had an ear to the king. So he was hooking up with all because he was a bonafide celebrity in his day. It wasn't like a lot of these guys are famous after the fact. He was famous during his life. And so they were saying that he was able to get like whoever the king's top mistress was. He was having sex with her. And he said, you know, get to the king's ear, tell him that he's got to join our war. And, and, and that's what he did.
Big J Okerson
Yeah. Huh.
Chris Distefano
Seriously, dude.
Big J Okerson
It was a funny thing of. Picture him like being like, slob, like four girls lying asleep in a bed. He's got like an open robe with like the key in. The girls sleep up. I gotta figure something out real quick.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, yeah.
Big J Okerson
I'll come back in when I need a top off. Yeah, dude.
Chris Distefano
He would be like, he would write letters and Say, like, you know, his autobiographers said, like, how much he loved his wife and kids, but then he just would go eight, nine years without seeing them. Because he was just in France. Yeah, he just wouldn't see them. Yeah, it wasn't even there when his wife died. His wife died. He came home like six months later.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
He goes, sorry, I'm trying to swim out of all this foreign.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah, he, like, when he went to.
Chris Distefano
He lived there. No, dude, he did not. When he left Philadelphia, he did not. There was one time where he was in England, did not come back to the United States or 13 colonies for like nine years.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
When like the revolution was happening, he wasn't there. He was like, I'm afraid.
Big J Okerson
Yeah, I'll go our way into getting some help.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Yeah, send your Coxman over. Yeah, I used to do that with Julian McCullough. Hey, see if we can get to the front of this line. There's a pretty girl up there. Yeah, go handsome guy or.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah, go handsome guy. Yeah, yeah, you need a guy like that around.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, yeah. Julian.
Big J Okerson
Ben Franklin, by all. By all drawings of him. Certainly does not look like a good looking guy, but it's almost like that. Like the hedgehog. Yeah, like Ron Jeremy. He had that confidence, though. Yeah, I've met guys like that in several markets around the world. There's Florida. There's always a guy like that. A big fatso who just has young hot chicks around. He keeps them coked up.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah, yeah. Or a big dick. I mean, look, Ron Jeremy just had a dick on him and he could.
Chris Distefano
Count down his come.
Big J Okerson
Could you imagine a guy that can. It kills everything because you're like, oh, well, maybe my dick isn't enormous because I'm fat. And you're like, now fat's not going to make a difference.
Chris Distefano
No.
Big J Okerson
Ron Jeremy got morbidly obese. That dick always hung 12. True.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. Yeah. So it's not your theory.
Big J Okerson
It didn't matter.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Maybe you had to give a little more bass pullback.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
To get that last inch. But I mean, come on.
Giannis Pappas
That's true. Because. Yeah. There's always you always thinking about, if I just lose 10 pounds, it'll grow an inch.
Big J Okerson
Yeah, I know. Bobby keeps tell me. He goes, dude, my dick's so much bigger than I lost. We go, is it much?
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah, yeah.
Chris Distefano
You're in your mid-50s. Your dick's bigger.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Wait, how does that turns out there was so much more in there.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Giannis Pappas
I mean, that's not even a real thing. I mean, What? So how does that even work? You lose weight here and it goes in your dick, Dude.
Big J Okerson
I. The only.
Giannis Pappas
It's just. You can see it better. It's the illusion of it.
Big J Okerson
The only, like, cosmetic surgery thing I've ever got, like, we call it consultation on, was. I was like. When I started losing weight, I was like, I wonder if I should get liposuction on that right about around my dick area. It will make it look better, certainly when it's soft. And I go. It just seems like a weird place that I don't even know how I could attack losing weight there, Right. And I never went back because I went to the guy first. You gotta get so many forms that they're, like, telling you, like, hey, just. If you die during anesthesia, like, whatever. Yeah, Sign this.
Chris Distefano
Can't sue us.
Big J Okerson
Yeah. Just. You're probably gonna die during anesthesia. So that scared me right away. But then the girl takes me to the back room. The doctor comes in. I mean, so cold about everything, where he's just like, all right, so what you're looking to do here, he goes, let me see. He goes, drop your pants from real quick. And you're like, first of all, it's awful. Not prepared for that at all.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. The hot chick still.
Big J Okerson
And you still. No, no, no. Thank God.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Giannis Pappas
But even with the doctor, you want to chop up a little bit.
Big J Okerson
I do. I wanted a man to also think it was nice.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
So you don't want anyone because, listen, all he's gonna do is go out there and tell that nurse, like, whatever it is, it's gonna be. I mean, I think she. I think I already had the humiliation of, like, on the paperwork, like, writing. It's like, whatever. It's like, you know, pelvic, whatever, liposuction just.
Giannis Pappas
It's called the make my dick look bigger surgery.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Yeah, it might as well. But when the guy goes, drop your pants. And I'm like, okay, so I dropped it. And he goes, come over here in front of the mirror, which is already another night. And you're like, oh. And I'm like, okay. I'm standing there, and it just. His thing, like, if this is my dick. He goes, okay, Every this close now. Here's how it looks now. And. And he takes his hands around my dick, and he just pushes back, and he goes, and here's how it will look after. And I went, okay, okay, let's breath on your dick. He's like, it only. He's like, it costs this much. Everything. I'm Like, I'm already in my mind. I'm like, I will never be back here. I can't get through this. Just the way it was. So gentle. He's like. And it will look like that.
Chris Distefano
Thank you, sir.
Big J Okerson
Thank you. That looks fantastic.
Giannis Pappas
I like that. He just took some of the fat and just pushed it.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. Your dick just hung out. Yeah, just.
Big J Okerson
I just go right before the balls and above the dick. You just push back. Yeah, I know, I know. Yeah, I've done that myself.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Giannis Pappas
Did look a little sweeter, though.
Big J Okerson
No, it did look sweet, but I didn't get it done.
Giannis Pappas
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Giannis Pappas
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Chris Distefano
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Giannis Pappas
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Chris Distefano
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Giannis Pappas
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Big J Okerson
Yeah, I know.
Chris Distefano
I remember like one of your old bits I saw on tv. Maybe it was like white boys and her something. You had a bit where you were just like something about I forgot the pro, I forgot the punch on. But it was like I that you kind of have like just a sad looking dick. Yeah, yeah, it's kind of just sad. It was a good bit. Yeah.
Giannis Pappas
I got one of those Dicks. I got one of those dicks that, like, sticks to my jeans shorts. And like, I gotta, like, let it breathe a little bit. It's like wine. I gotta let it get some oxygen. Sort of. Tell you what, Revitalize every once in.
Big J Okerson
A while when I take like a Viagra or something like that or Cialis, just because. Why not sure. When I take those. What's. It's not so much like, I don't have, like, boner issues ever. So it's not really. That's the thing is that for the next two or three days, though, the dangle is sweet.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
People would know. Yeah. Yeah. You walk around your underwear, you're like, what's going on here? Christine, my girlfriend are gonna be like. I was like, are you hard? I'm like, it's not even.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Crazy.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
I think that's what it's always supposed to be.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. It's amazing.
Giannis Pappas
Wow. So you get a good post boner dangle.
Big J Okerson
Never realized that for a couple days.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
You're. I think it's because the. It's so ready to go.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
That like the slightest, like, graze of like, be underwear or sweatpants or anything, like, get it ready to go. So it's always like half.
Chris Distefano
Does it hurt? Like, do you get boners for so long if they won't go down or. That's not how it works.
Big J Okerson
Yeah. I mean, I'm. They say that's a terrifying thing that could happen, but I've never had that. Doesn't take it very often.
Chris Distefano
Doesn't happen with bluechew. Use that promo code. Hyenas, dude.
Big J Okerson
I was about to say, it does not have a blue cho.
Chris Distefano
Blue Cho. Gray.
Giannis Pappas
That is underserved, under known about benefit that they could really.
Big J Okerson
It's the hang market. They should mark. I don't know. Listen, maybe it's not a guarantee. So it's not why they won't market that way, but that's what I've always.
Chris Distefano
Well, like, if you're one of those guys, like. Like, you know, you're 24 years old, you're like, I saw a bad bunny. He's got a big Calvin Klein head right there. Here on Houston street, it's like, take a Viagra, take a Cialis, take a blue Chew just to get pumped a little bit for the shoot. Not hard, just. Just nice and soft, but pumped.
Big J Okerson
Absolutely.
Chris Distefano
It's like putting creatine in your dick.
Big J Okerson
It's the. It's the only time that I would comfortably ever pull my dick out. Soft right before anything, I'm more. I said, because even, like, the times I've taken it before, you know, I think something's happening tonight, and then it doesn't. And then you're like, yeah, just enjoy this guy for the next couple days.
Chris Distefano
Like, two months ago, Jazz, my girl, she. She literally, you know, it was fine. We've, you know, been together 10 years, and I'm. I came out of the shower, whatever, you know, I'm just. Towel. She's in there brushing her teeth, whatever, and she's just looking at my dick in the mirror. She goes, I never notice your soft penis doesn't go past your balls. She said that to me, and I was like, yeah. She was like, oh, no. Like, when it's hard, it's good. She's like, but I just never noticed. It doesn't act like your balls are longer. I was like, yeah, go yourself, especially get older.
Big J Okerson
I say the age starts grabbing your.
Giannis Pappas
Balls, starts pulling you down.
Big J Okerson
However, a heavy set of balls also will make your dick look a little bigger.
Giannis Pappas
That's true.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah. What I would do is I, I. I would. If I got that dangle, that post. That post boner dangle, I would want to make up for all those times that I wanted to take it out impressively.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Giannis Pappas
In those days where it had to dangle.
Chris Distefano
Right.
Giannis Pappas
So I just try to create situations where I may have to take it out.
Chris Distefano
Take it out, pull it out.
Big J Okerson
I think it'll still be good the next morning.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Pop out of the shower. He goes, hey, do we have a. Can you have me a bar of soap?
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Giannis Pappas
What's going on?
Big J Okerson
He goes, nothing. That's how it is off, dog.
Giannis Pappas
Come on, Podcast. I just. I take. I just readjust my pants by taking them off for a second.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Giannis Pappas
Let the flop.
Chris Distefano
Let the flop hit it out. Like, I'm good, guys. Yeah.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
I just. I.
Giannis Pappas
Life could have been better if I had more of an oppressive dick. I think it really does have something to do with your psychology.
Big J Okerson
Well, the scary thing is when you're happy where you're at in life in any way, when you get to, like, a. At least a comfort point where you're like, this is good. I wouldn't want of anything to fucking change that trajectory. If I was just. If I had a dick that could have just been pulled out and garner you getting pussy from debt. I mean, that I've seen happen with Kevin Hart, specifically.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
He was like, pull it out. And we're like, God damn.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Yeah. I'll go.
Giannis Pappas
He's got. Kevin Hart's got a big dick monster.
Big J Okerson
Especially on a five foot three body.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
And when we would do like shows together and hang out after the shows and like talk to girls or pull girls and how fast he would be like, jay, dare me to pull my dick out. I go, okay, Kevin, I dare you to pull your dick out. He'd pull this out and, you know, be three black women in the room going, ooh. And they'd be like, jay, I dare you to pull your dick out. And I was like, you're nuts. Nope.
Chris Distefano
No. Yeah.
Big J Okerson
No. It was my job. I was the entertain the two fat friends.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Who look like, I mean, sanitation workers. These two chicks.
Chris Distefano
Right. They're the same jean shorts you are.
Big J Okerson
The Matrix just came out on hbo. Was out of the theaters how long ago? This was Matrix one. And I remember Kevin went in the bathroom with this girl and you could just hear the work of a 10 inch penis.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Doing what it does.
Chris Distefano
Sure.
Big J Okerson
And I got these girls out there who have, I mean, two women, their hair and cornrows. But cumulative between two girls, 10 cornrows. Just these big thickies. Like, they're like the Godfather, the old wrestler in. In wwe. But they were like. Yeah. I just remember like Matrix came on. Which. It's funny because at the time, what I used to complain about was like, Matrix was so. Made a lot of stupid people feel smart. So. So sick of everybody doing like the. It makes you think a lot.
Chris Distefano
Makes you think.
Big J Okerson
It makes you think. I'm like, like, no, no, it doesn't. It's just. It's a good movie though.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
And I remember those two girls came in like, they kind of had like a. What are we gonna do on it? They're definitely getting horny hearing their friend get drilled.
Chris Distefano
Sure.
Big J Okerson
Loud. And I go, matrix Ago. Have you guys seen this? It really makes you think, like, this is kind of. So they were just watching Matrix? Loud.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Giannis Pappas
Did they show. Ever show any interest, like they wanted to hook up with you or.
Big J Okerson
No. Like, oh, it would have had like, just the energy in the room.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
It would have happened. But I was just like. And by the way, I wasn't above banging two big fat women.
Giannis Pappas
Right.
Big J Okerson
It wasn't about that certainly at the time either. I was like, I'll take what's coming.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Giannis Pappas
You didn't want them.
Big J Okerson
It was that, like, I was like. After they just saw his. Like, yeah, come on.
Chris Distefano
It's bad.
Big J Okerson
Me and Kareem Green had a couple stories of hooking up with chicks. Together where it was like, come on, man, don't make me go first.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. Oh, Kareem Green, great comic. Has to have an absolute missile, right?
Big J Okerson
I don't even know if his was necessarily that, like. I don't remember being like that crazy big.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Other than it was just black and better, right?
Chris Distefano
Yeah. Well, Wilson Vince was famous for pulling out his dick pic. Sometimes sitting there at the Comedy Cellar, he'll just pull it out and you're like, that's gotta be Photoshopped. But he's been pulling that out since 2007.
Big J Okerson
I used to talk about it on stage all the time. It was like I said, when someone, a woman described it in the audience saw it. Cause we asked him, I go, do you want to see the picture? I'll show it to you if you want to see it. It was a lady and her mom and they were like, oh, my God, it's like a. Like a tripod. I was like, do you understand what she's saying? That if you fell forward, your own penis would save you from bashing your nose into the ground.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. It's just.
Giannis Pappas
I got a funny Kareem Green story. You were there in Montreal. Remember Nate and Kareem Green. We were there. Cream Green was the black guy.
Big J Okerson
I thought that was too Ray. Wasn't that too. Oh, that's too Ray also. Yeah.
Giannis Pappas
Just confused. Yeah, you just.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. Dude, we better get back to the.
Giannis Pappas
History of Philadelphia mayors. Yeah, they're too easy.
Big J Okerson
Never seen 2 Ray's dick. I'm sure.
Chris Distefano
Gotta be huge.
Giannis Pappas
Dude, I tall really confused two black people, but those are two guys easily confused. Yeah, they look similar, but Two Ray.
Chris Distefano
Philly comic, great comic, man.
Big J Okerson
We were first mentor, I'd say. Really? The guy kind of pulled me and Kevin and. And Metzger and kind of showed us like at least a black circuit.
Chris Distefano
He's awesome. He was awesome. He was doing the comedy seller for a while, but then I guess just stays in Philly now.
Giannis Pappas
I always. You ever wonder what black people, black guys dream about? I found out. Remember the story? So I walked in, I was going to get the keys from Nate's pocket. We were staying in the same apartment in Montreal, and Toure and him came home plastered and Two Ray passed out on the bed. And I was going in your guys room. Yeah, in Nate's room. Right. I don't know where Nate was sleeping. So I walked in to get the keys because I was actually going to this girl's hotel room and I needed the keys to get back in. So I Go in there and two Ray. I guess I woke two Ray up. And he just shoots up and he pulls the ironing board closer to the bed and he puts his hands on there. He's like, yeah, yeah. So what are we talking about? Royalties on this album y' all are gonna be giving me because I, you know, we really need to market it the right way. And I went, what? And he went. And he just went.
Big J Okerson
Cashing checks and snapping next. Dude, that's all he dreams about.
Giannis Pappas
He was having a dream about having a record company deal, dude.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. With royalty.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah, I swear to God.
Chris Distefano
That's exactly.
Big J Okerson
Now I want some points in the back end, you see?
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Giannis Pappas
He pulled the ironing board.
Big J Okerson
He put his hand. Boardroom meeting.
Chris Distefano
That's great.
Big J Okerson
Okay.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Okay. I'll take less up front.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
For more points in the back.
Giannis Pappas
True story. I mean, that's what he must have been dreaming about, was getting a record deal. I mean, dude, it's funny because he's in comedy, but, you know, black kid, I think it's just a dream, like, to just get that deal.
Chris Distefano
Record deal. Or get drafted in the NFL. Yeah, that's what you want.
Giannis Pappas
Or NBA or.
Big J Okerson
That's why black comics keep making albums instead of specials. Because they want to get a record deal. They want to see their album drops. Yeah. Dropped because. But no one's doing that anymore.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah, they're like, really loved your. Really loved your comedy album. Well, yeah. Yeah, but what about. Have you checked out my. You checked out my music? Checked out my mixtape?
Big J Okerson
There's a club in the Bronx now. I want to say that, like. Or Harlem. I think it's called a comedy in Harlem or something that's like, everyone's doing albums there. I keep seeing the thing. It's like, yo, come catch a. You know, Sleepy Floyd. Come do his new album recording goes. Album.
Giannis Pappas
Album. Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Just throw up two cameras and call it a special.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, yeah.
Giannis Pappas
But it's funny because they love it so much. Like, even when guys get successful in something else, they'll put out an album, dude. Kawhi Leonard, the basketball player, the quietest guy. He put out a rap album.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Giannis Pappas
Guys would just put out an album.
Big J Okerson
I've said a thousand words. Or I've had a thousand words back and forth between me and Tiffany Haddish, 990 of them were about her music.
Giannis Pappas
Dude, think about it. We had.
Chris Distefano
That's a good point.
Giannis Pappas
We just had it. I'm just blanking.
Chris Distefano
Oh, Pac Man Jones.
Giannis Pappas
Pac Man Jones got an album. He was like. But he Was like, really? Yeah, yeah. I don't want to talk about football and all that. Blah, blah, blah, blah. He's like. And then he made us listen to.
Chris Distefano
His music, and he was like, see, he was more than rap. He was actually singing vocals. Pac Man Jones. Yeah.
Giannis Pappas
And he was like.
Chris Distefano
And I was like, you have cte. He was like, nah. And then he was like, listen to me sing. It was like, most off. Well, actually, no, his music wasn't terrible.
Giannis Pappas
It was pretty bad. Yeah, it was terrible.
Chris Distefano
Cte.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah, it was pretty bad. It was pretty bad.
Big J Okerson
But remember Iverson did that?
Chris Distefano
Sure.
Big J Okerson
Kobe Bryant met his wife on the set of his music video.
Chris Distefano
They all.
Big J Okerson
And none of them are great. No, they try. Dame Lud. I said, but you have to respect the ego because, like, again, it's something. Derosa has this to some degree, which I'm always impressed by.
Giannis Pappas
Well, he's 10. Ethiopia.
Big J Okerson
Several.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah, he's got several.
Big J Okerson
Several albums. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So it's like. But I mean, like, Joe, it's more. It's not so much about putting out the music. You want to put it out and go out there and act like it's not happening.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Joe, like, he's promoting it all, and it's like, come check it out. He'll have comics come to the show. And it's so, like, disarming that you don't make fun of it the way we should.
Giannis Pappas
Right?
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Just for having a passion of music at all. Like, we just thought. Because no one knows what to do about it. But, I mean, performing like that. So Dame Lillard, when they had him at the. At the All Star game, I guess, go out there and do your. Do your raps. I'm like, there's actual rappers in that audience that gotta be like.
Chris Distefano
Like, yeah, yeah.
Big J Okerson
He just went out there full confident, like, doing it. It's pretty nuts, but yeah.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
Well, that's what. At the end of the day, it's just about the confidence to do it. Like when I saw. When I saw Derosa, when we did the. The Comedy jam.
Big J Okerson
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
And we did it. And, you know, he went up and was like a legit rock star up there. So I get your point. Like, we were all waiting. Soda was there. We were waiting to destroy him when he came back to the green. But we just started giving him high fives.
Big J Okerson
Couldn't help it.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. Because he was, like, passionate.
Big J Okerson
I love doing the Comedy Jam because it's a chance to, like, like, really do it, but just for that five minutes. Yeah, dude. I mean, it's not. Like, after I get off the comedy jam, I'm like, I should start a band. I'm like, nah, it's very fun to do. But, like, you gotta, like, check out of it. It's too earnest.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. Yeah.
Giannis Pappas
You have to be serious. You can't smile and sing.
Big J Okerson
I used to have a thing on stage, like, pointing, just about just going, like, I can't. Like, I know how to, like, call anybody in my field and go like, hey, is this funny? Like, blah, blah, blah. You know, it goes. But to call someone, like, Patrick Swayze, you had to call somebody and be like, hey, is this any good, dude? She's like the wind through my trees. And you have your friends got to go. It's beautiful, man.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
We still live in a world where I feel like you can come back. Goes, hey, is this a good lyric?
Giannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
Well, it's funny.
Big J Okerson
Does it show you how deeply I love my lady?
Chris Distefano
I had a cousin who was, like, wanted to sing. Like, she was a singer, and I thought she was good because it's family. She's confident. I was like. And she was like, can you please get this to Sway? Like. Because I knew Sway as I said, all right. Because I genuinely thought. I was like, this is good. She's got a good voice. And then I. I said, yo, Sway, I got a cousin. He's like, all right, man, I'll take a listen. And I texted it to him, and he called me five minutes later. He goes, don't ever waste my time with that again. He was like, she's awful. And I was like, what? He was like, it's awful. And then he knew, like, everything. How we would know, like, a comedian, like, my mom will tell me, like, oh, did you see so and so? They're so funny. And like, mom, that's awful.
Big J Okerson
Yeah. Yeah.
Chris Distefano
He knew it like that with the music. He was like, she's offbeat. She doesn't know what the hell she's doing. She's stealing half her musical tone from, like, Beyonce. So he was like, this is. And she's also 38 years old.
Giannis Pappas
That's the tough part. Yeah.
Chris Distefano
None of it works.
Big J Okerson
Also, let's say all that was working.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Giannis Pappas
Also because they could totally take not too talented.
Big J Okerson
Sure.
Giannis Pappas
If they're young and hot, they could fix that.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Well, now I would say I was. I watched some of the coachella stuff on YouTube and, like, hip hop at this point. Like, it's like, no one's, like, performing live. Like, it's. It's. They Play the CD version over, like the PA system. And then they say like every fifth or sixth. But they're not even like pretending they're not lip syncing. They're like, they're just letting it play and like half like dancing and then say like every fifth word or something. It's very. I'm like, man, what a grift. Almost.
Giannis Pappas
It's almost like DJing. Yeah, exactly. It's like professional wrestling. When everyone kind of thought it was real. Like now I guess singers are just going, hey, man, this is. Has always been fake. Yeah, yeah.
Big J Okerson
Like, no, someone does it. It's like crazy.
Chris Distefano
Well, now it's more about like Benson Boone stuck out.
Big J Okerson
Because I was going to say. I was going to say him particularly, I was going to say I just watched this thing from Coachell. I'm like, this guy.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Goes for and can sing amazingly.
Chris Distefano
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Big J Okerson
I hope it's like a half. I hope it's a half. Twist each. Shit. Like he's like. Like he just realized he's not making it around the whole time. He's hip. If you get the audio of his thing. Goes just beautiful. Beautiful. Just now right away goes down. Yeah. Came off wrong. Came off wrong.
Giannis Pappas
Or if it's just like a Sigmund and Freud type like tragedy where he just goes like his legs backwards.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
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He's still trying to sing.
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Big J Okerson
Yeah. And Coachella. He did it.
Chris Distefano
Like it's crazy.
Big J Okerson
Onto the floor from the stage.
Chris Distefano
Dude. But he does it. If you look at his Instagram. I mean he's insanely talented kid. I mean he does it on bicycles. He like knows how to flip. He does on rollerblades. He does it. So this kid's just confident in the flip. Flip. But there will be one last flip.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
It's just gonna happen.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
You gotta hope maybe he won't stay famous long enough for the flip.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Happen.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. Like he does it at some backyard. He does it at Soldiers Fell all the way down.
Big J Okerson
So that's the problem with like. I mean I saw the Stones recently and they were so good still. They were really, really good. And he's still like dude, he's 80. I know.
Chris Distefano
30. 35 year old hot girlfriend or 25 year old hot girlfriend.
Big J Okerson
I mean and he just like is all over the stage and has it. It's amazing when someone who's even like 30 plus years younger when you see them lose it. I guess somebody was saying like a like a Sebastian Bach or Marilyn Manson's actually lost weight and kind of like I think that. Me too. When the fact that it went away. I think he like turned his life around stuff like yeah, he's like in shape and healthy and thin and sober.
Giannis Pappas
He got me tooed bad. I don't remember.
Big J Okerson
Well, it was a girl. It was the girl. Evan Rachel Wood accused him of like a bunch of stuff and then but she apparently. I mean from what they all say now, the girl's like. She kind of rallied up everyone he's ever been with and said, you know, hey, can you like back me up on this? And they kind of did. So it was coming from all different angles. And then all the other girls said like now that girl actually just kind of got us all like worked up and stuff. And the real tell I'd say who knows, maybe he's a deplorable, terrible person. But I will say that he. Whatchamacallit a stone. Lost my train of thought from that laugh.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. What are they doing out there?
Big J Okerson
Oh no. Rose McGowan.
Chris Distefano
Oh yeah.
Big J Okerson
Was his ex girlfriend.
Giannis Pappas
She really went.
Big J Okerson
She said she not only she not go after him she came out and goes, I support any women saying something happened to him because I have no. No experience. I got with him, and I'm like, that'd be the one you would put cigarettes on and. Yeah, yeah, do it. And if you're going to do it in her time.
Giannis Pappas
So he's back now. Looking good.
Big J Okerson
He does look good. Yeah, yeah. But, like, yeah, that came down him really hard guard. Yeah, for a minute. Like, he had. He had to disappear for a minute.
Chris Distefano
Kevin Spacey, too. Like, people don't realize that Kevin Spacey just legally beat all the charges. They were like, all these.
Giannis Pappas
Few of them die. A few people died.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. But. But the ones that actually went to court. I'm just saying, like, if we live by the law, the law said there's nothing here.
Big J Okerson
Yeah, yeah. I have to. I watched that documentary. You gotta have to remember, like, what he did, like, the. The nefarious things he actually did. Because his initial, like. Like that documentary, that thing, all that stuck with me from. That was the guy who was like, yeah, I was, like, hanging out with him a bunch, and then he tried to kiss me, and I was like, whoa, whoa. Like, I'm not gay. And, like, you know, I got him on, kind of away from me, and. And then I ignored him, didn't talk to him for a while. Then I wrote a script, and I was like, oh, you know, it'd be a great producer for this. The one celebrity I know, you know? So he goes. And I figure, I guess that's what you got to do, is you have to, like. Like, do something gay with a guy to get far ahead in Hollywood. So he went on a date with him, gave him the script, and blew him in the car. And then he's like, his genuine argument. He's going, hey, the guy doesn't even look at the script. You thought just because you blew him, he was gonna, like, build. That's. That's crazy.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
So I was like, for that right there. I'm like, that's a railroading right there. Why are you even on this documentary?
Giannis Pappas
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
You believe you blow. A guy doesn't even look at your script. Did he say he was gonna produce it if you blew? I'm like, no, I thought that's what Hollywood.
Giannis Pappas
I just thought that's how it worked.
Big J Okerson
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, dude. I met him. I met him, like, right before the Me Too stuff. Me and Jazz actually went down. I had to hosted something in D.C. that he was like, him and Cal Ripken. And I got to be honest, even Jazz was Like, I love this guy. He was so awesome and fun and funny and, like, was definitely being, like, gayish with me in front of Jasmine. But Jasmine was always like, he wasn't trying to hide anything. He was just being like, yeah, you know, like, touching me and whatever. And it was fun because he was just, like, the talk of the town, the talk of the party. Him and Cal Ripken were making some of the craziest, like, you know, like, those old man, like, racist jokes in public. You know, like, it was just a different time. It was like 2015 before Trump got in, where it was like, we always. Me and Jazz always think about, like, how that was, like, one of the last moments, remember, where it was like. Like, it was. Everybody was just being themselves.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah. It's not me, too. And it's two guys involved. It's like, fellas, work it out.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
About this. This. When they kept making those. Woodstock 99, they had those two documentaries came out. I forget which one it was, but one of them made the moment of DMX doing My N Words at Woodstock. And everybody's singing along and, like, going for. And they're making that now. Like, they're like, look at everybody just saying the word willy nilly, not giving a. I go, I didn't go to Woodstock, but I'm like, the energy of just the nine. I remember the 90s very well. That was like, you know, all of my, like, high school and like that. So I was like, I don't know. I thought it was a much better time, race relations, because no one thought about it.
Giannis Pappas
Right.
Big J Okerson
I'm saying everyone made jokes and whatever and all the stereotypes and everything, but our group of friends was three black dudes, two Italian kids. No one ever thought about it.
Chris Distefano
You didn't think about it at all?
Giannis Pappas
No.
Big J Okerson
Now it's always only thought about it. Seems like, yeah.
Giannis Pappas
Which is weird. That's weird because it's ironic. They're like, oh, we're gonna fix it by thinking about it. But then you're going like, well, everyone's just thinking about it now.
Chris Distefano
There's no incentive for the media. Why would they get rid of racism? That's. That's how they get supercharged views and get talking points. If you said, hey, if people came out, CNN or whatever came out, I was like, racism isn't as bad as we thought. Their numbers would plummet even more.
Big J Okerson
Oh, but I mean, the thing is, like, DMX wasn't. Every time it was happening, when he was putting the microphone, he wasn't going like, oh, no, no.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
I can't believe they're doing it. He was, like, so into them doing it.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, it was awesome.
Big J Okerson
Now, it's funny when you get people who know what they're. What they're gonna be upset about, though, because when I went to go see a couple months back, I saw Ghostface and raekwon at Terminal 5.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
And Ghostface just full in words, the songs. Raekwon says ninjas every song. Because the audience is 80% white.
Giannis Pappas
Right.
Big J Okerson
For a Wu Tang show at this point. And so he just knows, like, instead of getting upset if the audience is singing it back, he just leads them in a different way.
Chris Distefano
But he's always got one guy yelling the N word. For real.
Big J Okerson
No doubt, no doubt. There's always one guy going, like, it's not how it goes.
Chris Distefano
I'm about to be inauthentic.
Big J Okerson
Album quality or nothing.
Giannis Pappas
At some point, I think the black community's got to say, all right, we love the word with the A at it. We use it a lot. We're going to create two words, and then they're going to have to start slowly with the whites and start giving certain whites the ability to say the A1 and see how it goes.
Chris Distefano
Legalize it.
Giannis Pappas
Just see how it goes.
Big J Okerson
Saying the ER sound like a robot.
Giannis Pappas
But it's two words. Like, the ER is off the term, but let's see how the. Nice. The A1.
Big J Okerson
It's like testing drone deliveries.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Yeah, let's get him out there, see how he does.
Chris Distefano
Yeah, it's testing the products.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah, let's do with it.
Big J Okerson
Yeah, Several key cities. Yeah, we're just releasing a few out.
Giannis Pappas
Just gonna let. Yeah, we're gonna put it out. You know, we're gonna start in Chantilly, Virginia, and see how. What the whites do with it.
Big J Okerson
We quoted you, Giannis, on something the other day that. That was one of my favorite conversations in Montreal about when you got there, we saw each other in, like, that cross street right there. And you were. And we were both just going like, yo, the home was here that particular year, too. It was like, if you walked out of the hotel, you were almost surrounded by them asking for.
Chris Distefano
In Montreal.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah, they were. They were really went at you.
Big J Okerson
And I was like, yo, it's actually making me not want to be here. How. Would never want to leave the hotel. How bad is on these streets? And, you know, I was like, yeah, I know. At least in New York, like, once a year, we set one on fire. So they know what's up. They keep them in line. They don't corral. They don't corral you in groups of 10. Because he goes, you might have to set one on fire.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah, you set one on fire. The word spreads and it creates sort.
Big J Okerson
Of like a boat. Hey, just, you know, these people you think you're bullying out of money, one of them might say, you on fire. No. Is that happening? I heard it happen to a guy.
Chris Distefano
It happened a guy in St. Catholic.
Giannis Pappas
So this is part two. You're releasing these, the specials. You did part one. Was that she Her?
Big J Okerson
No, no. So it's. It was them. They is the thing. So them was part one. They was the second.
Giannis Pappas
Nice. That's. I like that. So the first one's them. The second one's they.
Big J Okerson
Yeah, yeah.
Giannis Pappas
And this. It's doing real well. It's like half a million already.
Big J Okerson
Doing good. Yeah. In a week, we got to a half, so.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
Hell, yeah.
Giannis Pappas
The original crowd work guy.
Big J Okerson
Oh, thank you. I mean.
Chris Distefano
Here'S the thing you got.
Giannis Pappas
He's like the. He's like the black. He's like the black rock and roll. He's like Chuck Berry.
Chris Distefano
Right.
Giannis Pappas
And like, all these other guys are like Elvis.
Big J Okerson
I find it more fun. But what it came from genuinely was like, not kind of like. Like popping, like on the road. I just couldn't get the road. The road changed, like, in my career at some point. It was like when I started going with a tail all the time. Time. He was sort of like, yeah, you come with me to these clubs. You have an hour ready to go. He goes, and then you'll start headlining. And then I'd go, call these clubs. And they go, do you sell any tickets? And you go, no, no. No one knows who I am. So they wouldn't. So I was like. I thought it was great. I mean, it was my. My job essentially, was the seller. Every night was going there. And I was going after the best joke writers. You know, I was always after a tell, pretty much. And these guys were just killing. So I just did. I just did that. Because also, like, you did crowd work. Yeah, there's a comic, and we all know who I'm talking about, but never changed their act very much. And I would see the staff.
Giannis Pappas
I think we all know who you're talking about.
Big J Okerson
We all do. Yeah. When the staff would, like, see them shitting on that or rolling their eyes and mouthing the words of his joke, he's closing with again, like, I was like, oh, no. That's like, I just don't want them. Because also, I know they're very friendly with the same guy. They're kind of like mocking while he's on stage.
Chris Distefano
Sure.
Big J Okerson
And I'm like, I don't want him doing that to me. Like, she loved me. So I just tried to do that to like, something different at the end of the night, because I was going like 2:30 in the morning.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
I mean, that was also. The seller at that point was still being barked in. It was like one show going continuous. So, like, when I'd be going on at 2 o' clock in the morning, it wasn't people that were there since midnight that are still like, stoked for it. Some of them were there since nine or, you know, some people just came in.
Chris Distefano
Right.
Big J Okerson
It was like rotating constantly. So.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Because five people there.
Chris Distefano
Because the comedy seller now is expanded. If you know comedy, like to four clubs. There's a bunch of comedians there there. But I remember even I first got in there in like the end of 2013, and it was still. It wasn't. It was. It was multiple shows, but it was still like you were the. Still the guy. Like you close every show. Like you were just the guy who was there. The late night one closed them. And I remember Dan Soder got in a little bit before me, but before Dan Soder, you were like the, like, nobody. They weren't just like letting everybody in. It was like you guys were pretty much a process, same lineup.
Big J Okerson
Like, not get in on the process too. And it was like, over.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Tom McCaffrey, I remember, had a rough audition. Very funny guy. Had a rough audition.
Giannis Pappas
I think I had a rough audition. I just never tried again.
Big J Okerson
Dave Smith. Dave Smith had a rough audition.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. When I got him, Luis Gomez was in for a little bit.
Big J Okerson
She stopped. But, you know, she's a lunatic. I could talk about her for hours, about how awful I think she is, but she. Yeah. And then the comeback around is even, like, when people accept it, it gets me in the way. Like Nate, the fact that Nate comes in and does the cellar. I get it. I get completely why he would do it, but I'm just like, dude, you got in here before this stuff popped. And then after a month or two, she just stopped working because she was like, nah, I don't get it. It's not my thing. And it's like, no, it's more time than anything else. I just don't have really time to do it on the road every weekend. Then I'm broadcasting 13 hours and three days every week.
Giannis Pappas
So you're saying she, like, she didn't let him in. And then now these huge. She's, like, letting him.
Big J Okerson
Well, she let him in and then was like, stopped work. Just took the phase out. Like, ah, he's not really catching here. And then when he comes back in town, you know, she'll be, oh, Nate. You're like, shut the up front.
Chris Distefano
I know. It's. It's one of those things where, like, you know, the. The. The. That from, like, years and years and years, like at the Comedy Cellar is. It does still have. You know, people say it's just a room, and I get that, but it is still that thing where it's like, I remember, like, when you were there and you would. I remember, like. Like, I remember one time vividly. We were. I was up sitting at the table. I was brand new. You weren't closing the show. You were going, like, for some reason. I don't know why, like, maybe third or fourth. And I was closing the show. I was going on at, like, 1255, and you were just, like, annihilating. And I remember going down there and watching, and you were just doing it so chill, sitting on the stool, just ripping people apart. And I remember telling myself, like, I'm just. I'm gonna bomb. I'm gonna bomb. And I went out there and was like, you know, trying to imitate my dad and Puerto Ricans, and it was just bombing. But I remember then saying. I remember then saying to myself, oh, maybe I should do the crowd like Jay does, and then try to do that. And that bombed, and it gave me so much respect. I remember that moment. I was like, oh, now, like, just. You can't just do crow. I think sometimes people think that now because of how big crowd work has become, or they just think, oh, anybody could do it. It's like, no, no. A lot of people try to do it, and a lot of people just suck.
Big J Okerson
I think every excellent. I think all funny, like, comics that are funny can do it. Because I've had to give that peps talk so many times when I do the show where I have everybody do crowd work is like, now it's like, you didn't. You never. It was almost Patrice advice he gave me, kind of, like, reworded almost. But, like, you were. You were funny around your friends. That's why you decided to do comedy. And, like, you never overthought that. You just kind of were. So it was like, if you tapped into. If you tapped into that kind of level of comfort on stage, like, it would come to you, like, that fast. And you can kind of do it same way. I just did it so much. The seller was such an interesting thing because especially that stage. If I went on that stage right now, it would feel so foreign to me that I'd probably have a little, like, almost nerves to it and stuff, where at the time you're talking about, I was there. Like, I said, I was never on the road except with a tell. And I had, like, three, four clubs in the country that would, like, headline me here and there, but that was really it. So I was there seven days a week almost at the point. So that room was so comfortable to me.
Chris Distefano
Oh, yeah.
Big J Okerson
Like, it was going to go if they were like, hey, can you go up in three seconds? Like, yes.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
What do you need me to do? Two hours right there?
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Because you just know the place so much, like, inside and out. So that was super comfortable there. Yeah, it was a great place to develop it, I guess, because it makes it, like, yeah, not so scary to do, but it could definitely go haywire. That was Denver. I did the specials in which, like, bagged phones, everyone's facing forward.
Chris Distefano
Comedy works. Was it?
Big J Okerson
Yeah, it's like, set up to win.
Chris Distefano
It's the best that.
Big J Okerson
That this weekend, again, that's where they.
Chris Distefano
Did skanks for the memories, too. One of the best albums ever. Tell Skank. I think comedy. Comedy works. Denver, I. I think is. I mean. I mean, if it's the best or.
Big J Okerson
Definitely top three, it's in the conversation always for best. Because, like, just that. I love that American comedy company in San Diego. I love.
Chris Distefano
Good. Yeah, yeah.
Big J Okerson
I know some people don't like it. The owner, like, is divisive with people. I love that, too. That's a funny thing. It's a funny conversation to have. Almost is like, there's so many people. Because estie, as we say Estie, is a great example. I do the show with Bobby. We do the bonfire. Bobby Kelly. Bobby Kelly loves esti because esti loves Bob. You know what I mean? They've had this history that kind of goes. It's always, like, been that.
Chris Distefano
That.
Big J Okerson
And I fully get that. The lady who ran broad ripple.
Chris Distefano
Oh, my God. Ruth.
Big J Okerson
Ruth. People were like, yo, she's a vicious, mean, terrible lady. And I've seen her be vicious and mean to her own staff and stuff. Something about me. She just likes me. So you're like, she liked me, so I think she's great. All those weird people like that.
Giannis Pappas
We're all each other's angels and demons. That's what it Is man and Story Wars. Great show. I love the concept. Check out Story Wars.
Chris Distefano
Story Warrior. I. I told. I told Lewis, man, I think like that show. I mean, not that I know, but it just feels like that's such a repeatable format. Like, obviously the best move right now is YouTube, but I could see somebody wanting to give like real money for that to put on like a network if they needed it because it's such a repeatable format, such a different kind of show. And what I love about it is being a participant on is like you, you. You forced to tell these stories that you never thought about and then you put them in your act.
Big J Okerson
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
Like you refine them and put them in your act so everybody wins, which is very cool.
Big J Okerson
Things I used to do when I was doing just crowd work and getting lost in that before Ben dc, Benny used to do like just anybody. No pressure to be funny. Just tell a story. And that was great because you have some long form stuff too. Get too pigeonholed.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. Great show, story.
Big J Okerson
Thank you.
Chris Distefano
Story Wars.
Giannis Pappas
So go check out his special right now. It's on YouTube. See him on the road. J okerson.com Big J comedy. Big J comedy.com BigJ comedy.com, go watch they and them. Please don't misgender it like I did. Yeah, that was actually a great setup for it, though.
Big J Okerson
Yeah.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
See her.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
How dare you. Oh, my Gian.
Chris Distefano
Enjoy. All right, guys. As always, when you join patreon.com history, where all the fun happens, where all the exclusive bonus content happens, where our community is. You get your name read out on the podcast when you join. And if you make a funny name, you have a chance to win the ppw, the pseudo penis of the week, chosen by Giannis, Jesse and myself. Okay? So right now, welcome to the Patreon TT Jerry's Coffee can of Piss and nice name.
Giannis Pappas
Fun. Yeah. Can't disparage a family.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. What are you gonna do, though?
Giannis Pappas
So walked in, Nick.
Chris Distefano
Big Mike's hammer. Timothy Sumner, Logan Van Riper, Kemper Blundell. That FF with both legs behind his head again. Okay. Brett Hickey, Brendan Bateman. Pope Francis from the other side. Middle name Leroy, but I'm white. It goes both ways.
Giannis Pappas
Okay.
Chris Distefano
Brian Lynch. Brandon Spentico. Fjord Monkey.
Giannis Pappas
Oh, he's like a Norwegian kid. Norwegian kid, right?
Chris Distefano
Icelandic kid.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah. I like that chicken finger.
Chris Distefano
Tyler Watts. The hottest place that listens to the show, probably. Oh, the hottest piece that listens to the show, probably.
Giannis Pappas
Send us a pick.
Chris Distefano
Yes, send us a pic.
Giannis Pappas
Are You Mongolian history hyenas, Instagram, send us a pic.
Chris Distefano
Rusty, Pee Wee Fuhrman.
Giannis Pappas
Peewee Fuhrman is a chicken finger. Yeah, I'm putting him on the list.
Chris Distefano
Oh, wow.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Chris Distefano
Huberman, the Muzzy Nazi, adolf, Allahu Akbar.
Giannis Pappas
Gazian8 Put them on the list.
Chris Distefano
Okay, there we go.
Giannis Pappas
Back to back home runs.
Chris Distefano
Okay, here we go. The Portuguese walked into one. Yikes.
Giannis Pappas
Okay, I think that one probably gets the award for the day.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Giannis Pappas
Walked into one award.
Chris Distefano
A screwed in piece. That's another walk in the wine plank and pine. Gluey CK's leaky piece. Can't disparage though.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
Friend in arms, brother honorary honor.
Giannis Pappas
Okay, yeah.
Chris Distefano
Brian Bauer, Ladder 14 with a tiny frank, no beans.
Giannis Pappas
Drexler, Strong Drexler.
Chris Distefano
Trisha Sims, kamala mamala kitty, Mr. Sainty, nasty Benghazi, My bussy, Trifon Monteris Leroy hit me with a city bike. Now we split rent in Astoria.
Giannis Pappas
Take the catapult out for the funny. Yeah.
Chris Distefano
Nathan Sealy. I like when they're autobiographical. It tells the story about you.
Giannis Pappas
It's just very funny.
Chris Distefano
Very funny.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah, very funny.
Chris Distefano
Nathan Sealy, Graham Little John Pete, Alex Barclay, Saddam's Persian side piece. 90210, Kirsten Lansing, Matthew Phelps, Amy Lewis, Jay BLAIR W. A WNBA team. WNBA teams cut the $3 bills. Jack Jones, J Bone, Titus Wu, Maddie P. When will Akash admit he's just Teemu Aziz? Okay, Frisbees to the left of me, muzzies to the right. Here I am working on my Roman solutions loot.
Giannis Pappas
Okay. Yeah, walked it away.
Chris Distefano
Do that.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
Gary Laporti, Nathan Black, Jamie West, David Allen. Didn't want Hot Wheels in my ass. Call it the Lincoln Tunnel.
Giannis Pappas
Put them on the list. Get that catapult down. Funny. Yeah, it's a probable winner right there.
Chris Distefano
Jacob Britain.
Giannis Pappas
I mean that's probably the winner right there.
Chris Distefano
Yanni's Dracula Spectacular.
Giannis Pappas
Very good. We're gonna drex for that. It's a good one though. Any of the day, unfortunately.
Chris Distefano
What's up? Names. Phagos. Here's to be the table.
Giannis Pappas
Okay. The. The eunuch here to be the.
Chris Distefano
Oh, here to be the table.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
What's up? Names here to be the table.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah, that was outside of the Great Bagos.
Chris Distefano
And he's for the table.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah. His name was Bagos.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. Bagos. Yeah. Yeah, Jimbo. Leave it to the frisbees to steal tunnel monkeys from the crab. Hey, walk into 1, 3 1. Disparaging. Can't do that. D Wang, Wigger Witz. The white trash frisbee.
Giannis Pappas
Yikes.
Chris Distefano
Walked into another one.
Giannis Pappas
Funny, though.
Chris Distefano
Brad Lightsey. Fumey kid whose anus you can fistula. Call me Louis xiv.
Giannis Pappas
Drexler.
Chris Distefano
Melania Trump side piece. Humberto. Kayla Massey. Henry Cora Leroy's washcloth.
Giannis Pappas
Chicken finger. Big time chicken finger.
Chris Distefano
Jonathan Stewart.
Giannis Pappas
Every Leroy's got one.
Chris Distefano
Yep. Taylor Tripp, Justin K. Meyer, Matthew Mitchell, Amy Jones. Atticus Micklays. Mary Jane Dershon, Katie K. Trenton, Henning Gerbils in the turd tunnel make the squeaky piece harder than von Braun's rocket.
Giannis Pappas
Get out the catapult.
Chris Distefano
He's in there.
Giannis Pappas
Wow. Yeah.
Chris Distefano
I mean, turd tunnel and Lincoln tunnels.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah, I mean, you know, just call this list Ice because people are getting catapulted.
Chris Distefano
What it is Lisa Johnson, we have your reparations. Please come back.
Giannis Pappas
Put her on the list. Okay, so we love you another Lister. I mean, this is a good list.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. Gunner Noble, Kyle Frank Rizzo's pinky ring. They call me Spider man, but I swing with my glue gun. Tim Stalz.
Giannis Pappas
I swing with my glue gun. Very funny.
Chris Distefano
No country for old squeaks. No Father Bill hot glue gun to frisbee on my head. Please get it all off. Okay, he.
Giannis Pappas
So he used this glue to put the frisbee on his head, which is an original Father Bill. And I'm going to direct that one because of how original it is because he. He jacked off on his head and then he put a frisbee on it. Yeah, it's tough there. Yeah.
Chris Distefano
Candy in your pants. Damen D. Ethan Koticha. Jake, make no mistake, Ladder 14's chill chili cook off turned my hole into a burn victim.
Giannis Pappas
Funny.
Chris Distefano
Drexler Benjamin Guido Bono mega tent. My house because it's full of fumes. Gabe owners. Anissa Cutie with the tutti seb fuse. Ann Franken Bean's leaky roof and attic repair Teeth rotting. So when I do a fart noise, it smells like one.
Giannis Pappas
Put them on the list.
Chris Distefano
Interesting. I like when it says something about you.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah, yeah, it's very funny.
Chris Distefano
Huge feet, squeak peaks. Rebar09. Emma Manuel Barrios woke up in the Vatican. Now I'm in Leo's glueless eunuch.
Giannis Pappas
Huge piece. Squeak piece gets a chicken figure. Okay, what was the one woke up in the Vatican.
Chris Distefano
Woke up in the Vatican. Now I'm Leo's glueless eunuch.
Giannis Pappas
Okay, good one, good one.
Chris Distefano
Aaron told Father Bill Belichick, slip it in CT easy. Okay.
Giannis Pappas
Tried for a good one one Drexler.
Chris Distefano
Chicago is on top. The New Pope is an Italian beef monkey. Dre. No blue. If it ain't right, it's why the glue is always white. Okay, Mitch the half sauce monkey, half surrender monkey. That unfortunately looks muzzy. Laplante.
Giannis Pappas
Who's a surrender monkey? French. Probably French maybe calling them surrender monkeys if he would have just said I'm. Oh, God, that's good.
Chris Distefano
Surrender monkey is fun.
Giannis Pappas
You're just. You're getting a Drexer for that.
Chris Distefano
That Sean Murphy, Damon Miller, Brady Franks, Jonathan Newfield. Sarah Palin was my sexual awakening. Habis a free jet. Habius a free jet. Okay. Shooting my glue gun in Morse code. Bruce. Sheely Trump is my ppw. Chrissy D. With the glue gun. Degree. Frisbee fumigation and shower installation.
Giannis Pappas
Okay, you want to. That's a walked into one, right?
Chris Distefano
You didn't even see.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah. You're Frisbee fumigation.
Chris Distefano
Yes.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah. Read the whole thing again.
Chris Distefano
Slow Frisbee fumigation and shower installation. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Not good. I get it.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
Curves to the left. It's what it is. Jared Lehman. Palco Garcia. Animaniac Canal. Reading the names off the. Reading the names of the Chinese gym team is making me hungry.
Giannis Pappas
On the list.
Chris Distefano
On the list. Yeah. That's what it is.
Big J Okerson
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
It's funny.
Giannis Pappas
It's very funny.
Chris Distefano
Jeff Walsh, Eddie Garcia, Darren Brossard. The furor of fumes.
Giannis Pappas
Okay, okay. Close.
Chris Distefano
Austin, Derek Colton. Place. Michael Carbone. Ryan Cohen. Brendo. Dominic Hagan. Cole Clark.
Giannis Pappas
Here for the content.
Chris Distefano
Yep. Shock show. Choctaw and Irish. So I scout my taters and I'm a bit thirsty. Okay, Sorry. Rico Suave, Cameron Williams. Leroy Ceiling Cricket.
Giannis Pappas
Cricket.
Chris Distefano
I don't get it.
Giannis Pappas
Leroy Ceiling Crazy. Is that a cockroach or something?
Chris Distefano
Maybe. Let my girl stick a finger. Now she can crack me open with her Leroy pseudo penis Trip Birding. Dan Evans. Harley and me. Jake Kyle. GLAB. 100 men versus one. Chrissy D. Yass.
Giannis Pappas
Oh, we're. We're really catching up. This is the whole ape thing from, like, last week.
Chris Distefano
Yeah. Good. N A. Diego Ramirez. Brandon D. Slick. Kelsey Gorsha, Anthony Uraeus. Gonad. The Ballarian.
Giannis Pappas
Gonad. The Bulbarian is a great Drexler.
Chris Distefano
Do FCFS moan during prostate exams. Turner Doom Shop. Scouts for the win. Carmelli Victoria Richie. Nathan Baxter, Zachary Duranda, Kevin Pruden, Jordan Price, Alejandro Galve, Tristan Acevedo. Cam wife. Ladder 14. I'm a failed third grade dancer. Both UCF Kyolson. Joey H. Lawrence of Alabia.
Giannis Pappas
Funny.
Chris Distefano
Nice. Still farts on my dick. Hey, can't disparage family. Kevin, Owen, Bill, Jack H. Frisbee plus Leroy's equals rap.
Giannis Pappas
It's a good point.
Chris Distefano
It's a good point.
Giannis Pappas
Equals rap.
Chris Distefano
It's true.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah, you get a chicken figure. That's very true. Put those two together, you're gonna get music. Yeah.
Chris Distefano
Eric Gurney, Matt Hamilton. Haley Matt Phelps, Hyena Cackle. Jesus Torres, Brook Se. Okay, one more page. Lassie Mason. Rob P. Diddy's. P. Diddy's Lube guy. Okay. ESPN draft. Walked in one. Yeah. Jason had to name my dog Muhammad because he loves catching Frisbees.
Giannis Pappas
Lot of 14 that. I'm sorry, but that's going on the list. I'm sorry.
Chris Distefano
That's contender.
Giannis Pappas
I'm sorry. I know it's a walk. Contenders, but that's barely a walked into one. And it's just so funny.
Chris Distefano
It's just so funny. It was always there, and the kid found it.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah. Yeah.
Chris Distefano
Frisbee.
Giannis Pappas
This is. This is too hard.
Chris Distefano
Frisbee, but don't want to be dad.
Giannis Pappas
It's a chicken finger.
Chris Distefano
Dad won't talk to me.
Giannis Pappas
Walk in. Yeah.
Chris Distefano
Matt Simpson. Pint Butterfucker. I. I blacked out at UCF and woke up with an eight ball and pink eye.
Giannis Pappas
Okay.
Chris Distefano
Please don't heckle my schmeckle. I'll pay the extra shekel. Hashtag Frisky Frisbee with the teeny peen.
Giannis Pappas
Oh, I. I just would have been nice as a frisky Frisbee with a teeny pin. So I'll direct. So you just edit your. Edit it a little bit.
Chris Distefano
Trevor Santa Cruz. William Seretta, Blind Al O Icon. Alexander Desnito. FDR Stands for fake. Okay. No good.
Giannis Pappas
The walked into ones are really good. Yeah, but they're also walked into ones.
Chris Distefano
Call the piece a Y2K ticket. The way Dick Vaney is hanging with the Bush. Okay.
Giannis Pappas
General Vaney hanging with the bush. Great.
Chris Distefano
Nice finger, General. General Hines, Goodenry and Frisbee Find.
Giannis Pappas
That's a walked in one.
Chris Distefano
Yep. Yep. Kyle Van Wyck Markinator. Steven Nunez, Tyler Fear, Andrew Hendrickson, Jacob Austin Enochs Michelle Drew P. Balls.
Giannis Pappas
Drew P. Balls.
Chris Distefano
Chicken finger, Puerto Rican leroy's.
Giannis Pappas
Okay.
Chris Distefano
Ladder 14's favorite Frisbee. Michael J. Martin, Gregory Palalo and Frank's ventilation installation.
Big J Okerson
Her.
Giannis Pappas
Way song. She Ain't. They're so Good.
Chris Distefano
Not good. Joshua Christopher Davis, Stiff Blanto. Bernie's Veins Pumping Blue. Chew on a Private Jet with AOC Puing Negroni's in Paris.
Giannis Pappas
Funny, funny.
Chris Distefano
Chicken Finger Jack Dapper. Dude, three beers. I'll show you my nuts.
Giannis Pappas
Drexler.
Chris Distefano
That one girl. Anthony Colasco. Jacob Mole. Yor Bjorklund. Lou Skunts. Fumes make my glue gun go boom. Sixto Morales. Matilda Searcher. Josh Hollandshead. Joe Greenfield. Julio Jimenez. Owen Gibb. Kyle Claxton Epstein Island Cleaving Service. Cleaning service. The Gluey Decimal system. Mexican Morpheus. Saint 25 Dragos Christian D. Nice. Oh, nice. And then last but not least, Kanye wants to fuck his cousins. Habeas corpus.
Giannis Pappas
Drexler on that last one.
Chris Distefano
Okay.
Giannis Pappas
Okay. We got a toughie here.
Chris Distefano
We got a tough one.
Giannis Pappas
I love reading these lists. It's so much fun.
Chris Distefano
Here we go. So had to name my dog Muhammad because he loves catching frisbees.
Giannis Pappas
Contender.
Chris Distefano
Contender. So that's still there.
Giannis Pappas
Yeah.
Chris Distefano
Reading the names of the Chinese gym team is making me hungry.
Giannis Pappas
Very funny. We're gonna Drexler. Unfortunately, literally any other day.
Chris Distefano
Fortunately, this is the placement.
Giannis Pappas
It's just your placement.
Chris Distefano
Gerbils in the turd tunnel make the squeaky piece harder than von Braun's rocket.
Giannis Pappas
We're going to direct through that because the other one is funnier and I'm leaning towards it, to be honest with you.
Chris Distefano
Lisa Johnson, we have your reparations. Please come back.
Giannis Pappas
This is so good. It's a little inside.
Chris Distefano
Yeah.
Giannis Pappas
So I'm going to drex through it. But shout out Lisa Johnson from the First Reich.
Chris Distefano
Teeth rotting. So when I do a fart noise, it smells like one.
Giannis Pappas
Any. Another one. I'm just going to drex through it. But you deserve to win. I'm just letting you know that you do. Guys deserve to win.
Big J Okerson
Win.
Chris Distefano
Leroy hit me with a city bike. Now he split rent in a store. Yeah.
Giannis Pappas
Again. Deserve to win. But you're being Drexler just because the tunnel is just too good.
Chris Distefano
Peewee Furman.
Giannis Pappas
Drexler. Peewee Herman.
Chris Distefano
Play the mutz. The muzzy Nazi. Adolf Aluha, AKA Bargazi.
Giannis Pappas
Very funny. You're getting dressers. We. I think we had another one. Not Bar Nazi. Nate Barnazzi.
Chris Distefano
Now, last but not least, we got Hot Wheels in my ass. Caught the Lincoln Tunnel.
Giannis Pappas
That's just. It's just. Just.
Chris Distefano
So it's between Hot Wheels in my ass. Call it the Lincoln Tunnel. And had to name my dog Muhammad because he loves catching Frisbees.
Giannis Pappas
I. Okay. The other one is a slight. Walked into one. Very funny. But this is what the list is about. That type of creativity. Funny and just tight chicken finger. It's just perfect. I'm going. Listen to what he said there. He said he's got a Hot Wheels in his ass to call his ass to Lincoln Tunnel. It's just go.
Chris Distefano
So that's the winner.
Giannis Pappas
That's the winner.
Chris Distefano
All right. Right. Congratulations. You are the PPW Hot Wheels in my ass. Call it the Lincoln Tunnel. Go to history. Hyenas is back.com to see your name up in lights. This is the show. Tell your friends we're having fun, baby.
Giannis Pappas
We're having fun.
Podcast Summary: History Hyenas with Chris Distefano and Yannis Pappas
Episode: The Return of Frank Rizzo with Big Jay Oakerson
Release Date: May 29, 2025
Guests: Big Jay Oakerson
In this electrifying episode of History Hyenas, hosts Chris Distefano and Yannis Pappas welcome their special guest, renowned comedian Big Jay Oakerson. The trio embarks on a journey through the tumultuous history of Philadelphia's mayors, with a particular focus on the infamous Frank Rizzo.
Discussion on the Nature of Philadelphia Mayors
The conversation kicks off with the trio delving into the unique and often "wild" history of Philadelphia's political leadership.
Chris Distefano [01:37]: "What's it about the city of Philadelphia that just gets the wildest mayors?"
Big Jay Oakerson [03:00]: "He should have stayed forever."
Frank Rizzo's Legacy
A significant portion of the discussion centers on Frank Rizzo, a controversial figure in Philadelphia's history.
Big Jay Oakerson [10:34]: "He goes, 'Sorry, I'm trying to swim out of all this foreign.'"
Chris Distefano [12:25]: "Frank Rizzo just attacked."
The hosts reminisce about Rizzo's tough demeanor and his complicated relationship with the community, highlighting pivotal moments such as Rizzo's confrontations and his eventual statue removal during the 2020 protests.
Experiences in West Philadelphia
Big Jay shares personal stories about his grandmother's residence in West Philly, painting a vivid picture of the neighborhood's dichotomy between historic row homes and contemporary challenges.
Kensington's Struggles
The group discusses the notorious Kensington area, emphasizing its issues with drugs and the absence of clear racial divides due to the pervasive drug problem.
Big Jay's Liposuction Tales
The conversation takes a comedic turn as Big Jay humorously recounts his experiences considering liposuction, highlighting the awkwardness and unexpected nature of cosmetic procedures.
Comedy Jam and Crowd Work Insights
The hosts and Big Jay delve into the art of crowd work in comedy, sharing insights and personal experiences from performing at venues like the Comedy Cellar.
Big Jay Oakerson [62:50]: "That room was so comfortable to me."
Chris Distefano [58:07]: "We do the Comedy Jam because it's a chance to really do it, but just for that five minutes."
Impact of Social Movements on Comedy
The trio reflects on how movements like Me Too have influenced the comedy scene, altering interactions and the dynamics between comedians and their audiences.
Chris Distefano [63:45]: "Everybody was just being themselves."
Big Jay Oakerson [54:07]: "Why are you even on this documentary?"
Evolving Relationships and Respect in Comedy Circuits
Discussions highlight the importance of mutual respect and support within the comedy community, especially when navigating personal and professional challenges.
Chris Distefano [03:11]: "His wife, ex-wife, now stole something like $80 million from the city and just was never prosecuted for it."
Big Jay Oakerson [08:18]: "Nothing brings people together like money."
Giannis Pappas [55:22]: "Have you ever wondered what black people, black guys dream about?"
As the episode wraps up, the hosts and Big Jay Oakerson blend humor with historical insights, offering listeners both laughter and thoughtful reflections on Philadelphia’s political legacy and the evolution of comedy in modern society. They also celebrate the return of Frank Rizzo’s legacy through Big Jay’s latest special, They and Them, which has garnered substantial attention online.
Final Notes:
This episode masterfully intertwines historical discourse with personal anecdotes and comedic brilliance, making it a must-listen for those interested in Philadelphia's political history and contemporary comedy dynamics.