Matt Ledbetter talks with Julian-Sherrod Summers, also known as Red Sanford, about how their shared background in football quietly ran alongside a growing interest in old objects, self-taught artists, and the stories those pieces carry.

From there, the conversation opens up into picking, collecting, valuing art, and the long road that led both of them into the folk art world.

The conversation moves naturally between football culture, folk art discovery, picking, and the shared duality of living in both physical, competitive worlds and thoughtful, creative ones. Along the way, they talk candidly about how folk art is valued, how artists are discovered, the risks of the art world, and why certain work deserves to be preserved before it disappears.

From flea market finds and auction stories to conversations about Black self-taught artists, access, and preservation, this episode moves beyond collecting into questions of visibility, value, and who gets remembered in the art world.

Chapters
00:00 | From Football to folk art
03:47 | The folk art table that changed everything
07:25 | Why folk art has no fixed value
11:40 | Selling a Basquiat and pushing outside the art world
18:22 | When art starts to own you
23:57 | Selling a Monet and trusting experience
25:58 | Why folk art is not a get rich quick game
29:40 | Black self-taught artists and preservation
32:01 | Football toughness and artistic sensitivity
38:53 | Cultivating personal collections and living with art
41:19 | Lost houses, lost art, and what can still be saved

This conversation moves between football, folk art, and collecting, before turning toward questions of value, access, and preservation, particularly around Black self-taught artists and the environments that shaped their work.

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