Frank Schaeffer talks with political strategist and author Atima Omara about her new book The Instigators and the deeper failures shaping American politics today.

They discuss race, religion, Trumpism, Project 2025, Kamala Harris, media ecosystems, the Democratic Party’s blind spots, and the historic role Black women have played in defending democracy while rarely receiving full recognition or power.

Atima also reflects on growing up in Virginia as the daughter of Ugandan immigrants and what years inside political organizing taught her about how change actually happens.
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Our June It Has to Be Read. offering,
The Instigators: How Black Women Have Been Essential to American Democracy (And What We Can Learn from Them) on Bookshop
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