Frank Schaeffer speaks with Professor Michael D.C. Drout about Tolkien’s work and why it continues to resonate.

They explore themes of loss, beauty, and moral clarity, and talk about how Tolkien’s writing reflects the reality that everything meaningful comes with a cost.

The conversation also touches on teaching, younger readers, and how grief shapes the way we understand stories.

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The Tower and the Ruin: J.R.R. Tolkien's Creation

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