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BACKROOMS: LIMINAL SPACE IS WORSE THAN YOU KNEW -Jay Dyer
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We go deep into the backrooms and what they signify and the emerging narrative of the collective unconscious of the BACKROOMS and this genre of liminal horror as well as other key liminal horror spaces. Credit to https://youtu.be/VR87aeT4DPs...
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Jay Dizzle
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Jay
It's oh hey piggy. Now we got reels to get to. Our good friend Tristana always dropping them crazy reels, right? The great bigot of the Internet, the secret king bigot of the Internet, Tristana. We got so many reels I want to get to. We haven't even get to these dudes people hipping me to these bad boys right here on the light working team. There's too much stuff to make fun of, dude. I don't know where to start. The Light Lords. I didn't know there was Light Lords, did y'? All? They got music too. Dr. Steve Greer going to teach us how to channel raw. Ra. We can learn how to make money with Don l Pre. That's also an option. Do y' all want to make money get learn how to get paid. Do y' all want to see some of the the crazy reels? Or do y' all want to get into my philosophy ruminations about the back rooms tonight? What's what is on your mind? We've also got this awesome stuff, right? We got VHS movies to watch. What do y' all want to talk about first tonight? Do y' all want to get into light workers, VHS movies, my back rooms philosophy, some of the liminal space, son. Do you want to get into light working channeling raw? Y' all want a chakra max? Y' all know Osho can get up in that shock. Y' all want to talk about David Wood? What y' all want to talk about. Everybody wants about the back rooms. A lot of y' all gay as hell. Talking about the back door because of my Scandal video. You just watch, right? That's on that. That's within the alien sphere. That's adjacent to aliens. Faking aliens. Everybody wants to talk about the back rooms. All right, look, I wrote some notes because I was thinking about this. I watched some good videos and I've been thinking about this for a while. What is up with the back rooms right now? We got this movie coming out, which I'm actually excited about. I think it's going to be a really good movie. And I am impressed with Kane and his skills. Kane Parsons. Your boy Kane Parsons. Listen, you got Billy Corson and you got Kane Parson. Kane Parson, Billy Corson. Okay? That's how I feel. This trailer looks awesome, I have to say. And I mean, even watching Kane Parsons clips and videos, I was super impressed. I was like, this dude is skilled dude. Got a skill set, you know what I'm saying? And so I'll show you real quick. Something's wrong with the wall, right? He's doing a late night cleanup. He looks over there and he. There's a hole in the wall. And don't, don't get upset. This black man works there. He's not there illegally. He's a. He's an employee. I know what you racist people are already thinking. What is this black man doing on the security. Is he on the security cams? He gets in there and he finds a hole in the wall and then he walks through it and lo and behold, it's the back room. It's the liminal space, son. What's the liminal space? The liminal space evolved out of creepy pastas and this idea on 4chan Reddit. This kind of stuff that there spaces that you could no clip into. You could glitch out of reality into some alternate infinite hell world, a sort of labyrinth, right? Of the corporate nihilistic empty space between worlds or between realities. The liminal space is from a Latin word that has to do with threshold. So an in between, I think, also simultaneously with that kind of its own Internet lore taking on a life of its own. You also had other films and popular books and things that popularized the liminal space, right? Stranger Things or Strangers thing, if you watch the last season and that popularized the Upside down, right? This other world, this other dimension, this other reality that is the negative space. It is a, you know, perhaps a purgatorial sort of idea. There's a lot of parallels, right? And I also think it resonates with everyone because. Well, I've got a whole list of reasons of my thoughts on. Also resonates because of the emptiness of the corporate world. The cold, calculated corporate world and it's nihilistic abandon and the meaninglessness of a corporate lifestyle to attain corporate products that ultimately go out of style within 5 to 10 years anyway. So it's a sort of meaningless Oroboros eating its own meaningless tail. And then the idea becomes, what if you entered that space of something like a stock footage video? What if you went into the world where stock footage was reality but not stock footage of today, not a present day reality, but for some reason always connected to, always grasping back to the 80s and the 90s. For some reason everyone felt that the the lore of the back rooms in the liminal space was necessarily connected to the 80s and 90s. Why is that? Here are my theories, this is my thoughts. It is resonating with people because we are at a threshold of generations where people like myself on the cusp of Gen X and Millennial. As a Zennial, I remember the world prior to Internet, okay? Prior to Internet everywhere. The generations under me do not know that world. And that world was still essentially primarily human. Me tech was obviously beginning to invade our life with VHS, CDs, DVDs, Etc. MP3 began to be popular in the late 90s, early 2000s. But your daytoday did not include significant amounts of Internet at all. Unless you had some lame ass dial and then you could wait 20 minutes for a low resolution picture to load up, right? Otherwise you didn't spend a whole lot of time on the Internet until the early 2000s, right? So we are remembering there is still in the collective unconscious, this memory of a time when there was a human realm. Even at work, the corporate work part of your life, there was still this human element to where you had a limited time there. You went to a physical location, you had your own office, you had your own desk, etc, right? Even when you got started having cubicles, right? You still had your own space, you decorated it the way you wanted, etc. And even office space changed with the times to where you didn't have your own office. Everyone worked in an open space in the cubicles, and then the cubicles went away and you went to having open, open spaces and then you have shared desks that you do like at Verizon or whatever, right? So you've seen less and less individualism even within the workspace. It's all been homogenized, incorporatized and made linear and made flat. And because the back rooms are a labyrinth that has no resolution that immediately expresses the nihilism of the modern corporate mindset and corporate world. But it's frozen in the 80s and the 90s because that was the period when there's the last remembrances of it being still human, right? So you have people's desks, people's property, their own expressions now completely erased. And in the back rooms there's no people. So a human being is actually out of place in the corporate world or in this corporate dystopian hell dimension because it's anti human. The corporate world had assets underlying engine and ethos, an anti human idea the entire time. Because the logic of it was everything is quantified, everything is quantifiable. It's inherently nihilistic and anti natalist and anti human. So it must, of its own logic, eventually eliminate all of the human and all of the particular and all of the individual to eventually just propagate itself as negating any of the commodities that it produced. And so the corporate space exists eventually to only perpetuate an anti human, non human corporate space with no objects or no products. Why? Because the ultimate goal of the monopoly attitude is actually to destroy all competition and thus the products that it sells. Even after it's gotten rid of the humans, the products are no longer necessary. In other words, products were an end or a means to an end. It was never about creating a better product, it was about creating the end of humanity. Thus we look back on the threshold of a time to a time when it was still human. We look back to the liminal spaces of the shopping mall, right? Perhaps shopping mall back rooms and liminal spaces are even more telling in this regard, right? I also have some theories too as to why this has become so popular online. I actually think the Internet is itself the liminal space as well. I'll show you what I mean here with a couple examples of this. Dead malls, right? The dead mall, as we like to call it, is an eerie corporate liminal space with its own aesthetic and vibe that now has no people and has no product and becomes this sort of ideological museum to a forgotten time and a forgotten way of being. That we can remember, but also we can't remember. Because when you look at it without any people, and the purpose of the shopping mall was to sell the products, right? So to see it without humans and without products, it almost seems like a dystopian hellscape. Where what if the purpose of all this and its purposelessness was actually to produce a kind of purposelessness in the humans themselves? Now, I'm not saying that every mall owner. And I'm not trying to make some Marxist socialist critique or something like. That's not what I'm saying here. I'm not a Marxist or a socialist, but I'm saying when you have a materialist capitalist society. And the same goes for Sovietism too, because they're both materialist, atheistic presuppositions. If you have a monopoly, monopoly capitalistic societies presupposition about the attainment of meaningless corporate goods that also become meaningless within a few years because they're no longer trendy and they're not actually made to last. They're actually made to, through planned obsolescence, go away. It speaks to the emptiness of the cycle. Right.
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Jay Dizzle
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Jay
Yeah, I've seen. I think I've seen all of Kane Kane's videos. Yeah, I think Day of the Dead and Chopping Mall, although they're goofy B movies, they actually have some of these deeper philosophical themes in them. And we did a whole analysis of Chopping Mall. If you didn't ever watch that back in the. In the old days, we actually hit on some of that back when we did Chopping Mall. Because if you don't remember, the villain in Chopping Mall is like a Robbie the Robot version. It's like a Terminator, but it's like a B movie version of Terminator. So it's like, yeah, here we go. See? Now I hate it when it doesn't come up because we did a whole stream on it. Anyway. I can't think of the name of our stream, but yes, we did. We did do Chopping Mall. I'll have to find it later, but. So the liminal space speaks to all of these realities and some philosophers have called it. I watched a guy's video on this. It was pretty good. I'll give you a link to that video in a second. Where it's just a guy who does sort of philosophical ruminations on YouTube. And I have disagreements with some of his assessments. He comes off as kind of an existentialist, sort of agnostic sort of character. But I did like some of his takes on the liminal space in the mall. And he noted that it's almost like, as some philosophers are calling it, a existential. How did he put it? He said it's industrial gothic or corporate gothic. So, you know, go back to gothic literature in the UK and then in Victorian era, and then we have in the US, Southern Gothic with people like, you know, Flannery O' Connor and. And whatnot and Cormac McCarthy as well. But with the liminal space, you have a modernized version of corporate industrial gothic, where the great horror is the meaninglessness of what was so meaningful apparently at the time, right in the 1980s and in the 1990s. And the mall ones are really interesting. And again, remember, Stranger Things also, I think, played a huge role in this because what was the season three, the whole season was about the mall, right? The dead mall being this sort of portal to the in between, to the hell world. And so it becomes its own aesthetic, its own vibe. And this is Kane's channel, who originally sort of popularized a lot of these and his videos, his, you know, film school stuff was so good and it became such a viral sensation over the last several years that they actually made him the director. So I think he's going to do well. I'm expecting it to be really cool. But if you go back to his older videos, and I think I've watched most of these when he was doing film school stuff, He did one here. This was the original back rooms that's had like 80 million views, which is crazy. And it was a genius idea, right, to just kind of play around with looking into abandoned buildings or abandoned cargo stuff, and then you. You walk in and you find another reality, another dimension. And then people started getting more and more philosophical with it. And he was filming it with this sort of old school VHS look. But also people helped contribute to the lore, right? You had Reddit people, creepypasta people telling their own versions of the back rooms and then on top of that you had TV shows that that came out probably also influenced by this, even though I know this was from a book. But severance, everybody said what about severance? Severance, Severance. I've been meaning to get to severance for so long, but the reason that I haven't got to it is because I think there's so many other things that it ties in with like the back rooms, the liminal space that it makes sense to kind of talk about them all together. Because in severance the premise is that you have an intentional process that you can go through where they split your consciousness so that you are MPD did to have an innie and an Audi. The any being the person that is at the work world and they have their own life in the work world and they are the playoffs are in
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Jay Dizzle
full force and you can trade every game in every series on Couchy, New York is trading at 11 to win the finals. That means a hundred dollar trade pays out 800, 356 if they win it all. On Cowshi, you're trading against other people in a live market. That means no house and no odds maker. And as the odds move, you can buy in or out anytime throughout the postseason. For a limited time, download the Cowshe app. Use code heart to get $10 when you trade 10k a l s H I Kalshi trade on anything.
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Jay
Split so that they don't know the life of the person outside of work. So it's actual like split, you know, multiple personality disorder. But it's engineered by a mega corporation that does it to benefit supposedly the workers and to help production and all this kind of stuff. And I've seen season one, I thought it was really good and I'm about halfway through season two and it's, it's interesting, but it also I think speaks to Ethan probably unknowingly, the elements of the actual MK Ultra projects and how they were studied and how they were perfected by entities actually working for corporate structure, corporate interests. In other words, the Tavistock Institute, which was the first to really study MPDDID through studying shell shock and then got all this money put into it through the Rockefellers. They brought in Carl Jung, brought in all kinds of people over the years to study and perfect social engineering and human control. That's ultimately what Tavistock is about. And what began as World War I wartime psychological operations actually turned into an entire global institute connected to MK Ultra. Intent on engineering the human mind to be obedient and to be involved in groupthink. So they really pioneered and mastered groupthink. And they did it to. They were contracted out by not just the CA, not just the US government, the Pentagon, but the Fortune 100, Fortune 500. So, for example, when you see people like Peter Drucker, who comes up with the business church model of Ruslan and all these other people, from Rick Warren to Rick Warren to Ruslan business church model is this. It is Tavistock Social Engineering Group. Think models of how to streamline the business side of the church to make it more efficient. Taylorism, etc, all the above, right? But to get back to the back rooms and to severance, which because I haven't finished season two, I don't exactly know where severance is going to go. But it is also consciously alluding to the corporate MK Ultra elements within the show. And then of course, you can imagine in the story it's a question of, well, do we really want to be divided against ourselves? Which is probably a kind of a Marxist line of argumentation, because Marx's whole theory of alienation includes the idea that you're divided against yourself and against your product and against nature through the corporate world. I'm not a Marxist, but I do think at times Karl Marx said some things that were correct. And I do think that at times, if you commodify everything, that would be the natural result, right? You would have man divided not just against other men, but also alienated from the work that he produces from his hands, and also from nature. Thus, you'll notice in the back rooms, the hellscape, the hell world of the backrooms, there's never anything typically nature related. There might here or there be a plastic palm tree or a plastic tree, but usually it's. There's not. Usually there's just variations on the corporate scape and the corporate hellscape or the patterned versions of the way that they do hotels now, which are becoming more and more, if you haven't noticed, like hospitals and the same with. And I know this because we've traveled a whole lot in the last five years and we've stayed everywhere, coast to coast countless times. Hotels are. They don't have any flavor to them, right? The corporate ones, they all become a kind of representation of the exact same thing that you get in a hotel, in a hospital and in a hospice, an old folks home, and then also perhaps in a bank. The. And that's why you guys, we've all noticed this with McDonald's too, right? Suddenly all of the corporate businesses out There are gray. McDonald's is gray. Tons of fast food restaurants, they all have the same gray look. We went by a Barnes and Noble, the other bookstores, it looked no different than a McDonald's with corporate Soviet gray. Isn't that interesting that what was Soviet brutalist architecture, supposedly the opposite of capitalism, right? The opposite of, of capitalism. Let's look up Soviet brutalist architect. And it's like all giant concrete, you know, it looks like nuclear concrete, you know, bomb refuge type stuff. Like Chernobyl is no different than the freaking hotel, right? Like this, what was supposed to be a, you know, Chernobyl structure is basically the same thing as the hotel. Soviet brutal brutalism in terms of architecture, right? Everything is gray, everything is ugly. And there's a reason for that because it expresses the philosophy of everything being streamlined and homogenized. Because anything that's not streamlined for efficiency is purposeless. So to have decor, to have, you know, neoclassical baroque styles, that would be a waste of money. It's inefficient. So you notice that corporate mega structure, monopoly capitalism's ethos is exactly the same as the Soviet brutalist ethos. Isn't that fascinating? And if you watch, I mean, look, that was like a damn Death Star or some. Just hideous, right? It's brutalist, it's dystopian. Now let's look at. What does every McDonald's look like now. This the same thing, a giant concrete block where you get your soy slot go, soy slop. Just hideous, colorless, worthless looking slop out of a giant concrete block. Come to the dystopian concrete block where all of the bipoc persons will serve you your slope. And by the way, this is what boomers think you should go die for in other countries. So go die for Israel in the Middle east to get this, to make sure that we can put a McDonald's on every corner of Tehran, I don't know, maybe Tehran already has McDonald's. But you see that this end goal of the corporate sphere is indistinguishable from the Soviet, Soviet brutalist atheist. Because they're all nihilistic, they're all atheistic in their vibe, in their ethos. And the Black rooms are basically expressing the same type of critique. Also I think that if you remember Vaporwave, right, Synth wave, as synth wave became popular, you know, 10, 15 years ago, synthwave is expressing an. In an innate dystopian idea within it. Because a lot of the art, a lot of the vibe of the synthwave was dystopian. In the 1980s and 90s there were hosts of dystopian films. So they kind of became attached. They're adjacent to the milieu, the ethos of the 1980s, of its zeitgeist. And then it's only natural that what develops out of synth wave as a kind of first phase critique of corporate nihilism would develop. Vaporwave, right? And Vaporwave gave us a critique of mall music, right? Corporate, meaningless, overproduced Muzak. If you don't know because you're young or something, in the 1980s and 90s, when you go to the mall or when you're an elevator, they would have these specific types of stations or boxes called Muzak. Mu Z A K, right. And it was the corporate way to have all of your favorite songs in a non copyrighted way. So it was like elevator music. And you might hear Kenny G, but it's the Muzak version of Kenny G. So it's not the actual song. It's a voiceless corporate version of an actual pop song. Now Muzak existed earlier in the 60s and 70s, but I'm say by the 1980s Muzak was doing, you know, I don't know, you would hear Go west, but it would be the Buzak version of Go west, right? So sounds for the supermarket, right?
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Jay Dizzle
The playoffs are in full force and you can trade every game in every series on cowshe New York is trading at 11 to win the finals. That means a hundred dollar trade pays out 856if they win it all on couchy, you're trading against other people in a live market. That means no house and no odds maker. And as the odds move, you can buy in or out anytime throughout the postseason. For a limited time. Download the Kalshi app, Use code heart to get $10. When you trade 10k a l s h I kalshi trade on anything.
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Jay
causeforalarm.org and so vaporwave was a layer of parodying all of this by turning it into a critique of itself, right? And probably everybody's heard of the Macintosh plus, right? This was probably the. The biggest hit from this era of vaporwave, critiquing this type of nihilistic, meaningless mall culture or corporate culture. And if you grew up in the 80s, you. You resonated with this very, very well, right? It hits you somehow there's something about it that makes sense because you're reminiscing and remembering a time when it was a very different world. So again, liminal space is hitting everybody so hard, not just because of nostalgia, but because we are on a threshold of moving into a world where the dystopia is actually rolling out. All of those 80s movies, all of those dystopian films and stories and novels and comic books, there was within the zeitgeist, a prophetic sense that this is coming, that this will arrive. Now, you could say maybe there was an actual prophetic gift that art usually has, oftentimes has. We've talked about that many times. Or perhaps it was seeded propaganda and some of the blockbusters and productions. Who knows what the real total explanation was. But we are resonating with it, not just because of nostalgia, not just because of the past. But this is something that I've heard no one else say, and this is my thought. What if. What if the controllers, the social engineers, the technocrats, what if they realized that to really destroy the peoples and the people groups, to corral them into the. The tech skynet dystopia, what if the best thing to destroy, obviously, I'm saying this includes God, the existence of God, all that stuff.
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Narrator/Documentarian
Sure.
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Jay
And yeah, they want to destroy the nuclear family. Yeah, I get it. I know all that. But nobody has talked about what about destroying the past? What about wiping out and destroying the idea of the past? To have the dystopia, to have it successful, you must also wipe away any rootedness or groundedness of the past. And I don't Just mean, oh yeah, the global elites go into a city, a place, they bomb it in the Middle east, they wipe out the past and they set up, you know, the McDonald's dystopia. I know that, but what about on an individual level? On an individual level, say a person who goes T R A N Z, a person who goes T R A N Z, say they're, you know, hitting their era of puberty or God forbid, even before. What is part of that ideology? Part of that ideology is there was no past. You were not actually born a man or a woman. You didn't actually have the upbringing that you had. You can erase all of that and immediately create a new identity for the here and the now. So the presupposition of all of the dystopia has to be a Maoist idea of erasing all the past. And this is something that they got from the communists and the Maoists and the Marxists. You must destroy the past. It must all come down. It is like the giver. Yeah. All of the dystopian stories are also do usually have some. We've hidden the past. Right. Which is a version of destroying the past. But I'm just saying, whether it's the back rooms and the idea that oh, you don't need books anymore, just watch the YouTube videos. Oh, you don't need to watch YouTube videos, just watch the shorts and the tik tok brain rot. What is all of that about? It's all about squeezing the time frame to smaller and smaller so that there's no past. In other words, within a video, you're not even remembering what you saw 20 minutes earlier in the video. You're only remembering a 60 minute clip. And you perhaps you even Forgot what the 60 minute clip was saying or 60 second clip, what it was saying in the first few seconds. So the squeezing of the time scale smaller and smaller is also concurrent with nobody has a past. The past is being squeezed into the right now, just the now. The entire tech world and all of this is built on immediacy, efficiency and immediacy. Why read a book when you could ask the AI to summarize it and give you a one sentence, a five sentence summary? Why do anything that isn't efficient? Why write a letter, you have an email. I'm not saying the tech itself is the problem. The problem is the more that everyone gets addicted to the ease and the immediacy, then the more that they begin to operate like an algorithm as human beings, refining everything down to what's efficient and what's not efficient. That I think is something that I've not heard anyone talk about in terms of. And I know it's Maoist. I'm not saying that there's not other people have talked about wiping away the past, but. But I'm saying it's not just wiping away the past from a culture or a person. It's wiping away the past for individuals, your own past. And there is no future. So we talk about, for example, God being an eternal present, right? There's no past or future with God, there's only the eternal now. This is like a synthetic tech version of God giving you a God mind, a fake, mimicked fake and gay God mind where you believe that you're like the deity that only lives in the immediate present. And they have studied the communist dictators and their strategies for wiping away the past in the physical world. And. But what if they're wiping away the past from everybody in their mental world and in their own family world? Because families, for example, they have a story, they have a past of a present and a future goals that they have as a family. A nation has a past, a present and future goals as a nation state. But if everyone lives online in the virtual, and the virtual denigrates the past and tries to erase it and wipe it away and to make everyone only focused on the immediate through the dopamine addictions of the scrolling, then what happens is everyone has a false godlike status of only living in the present, right? And as the backroom story progressed, as Kane made his videos, he started bringing in these hooded sort of science dudes, right? Because that's exactly what would happen in today's world if there was some portal to another world or something like this. Discovered why immediately the science men would come to try to explain it and they would do their tests and they would begin to investigate the, you know, early layers of the back rooms where they go, which is to say they go nowhere. They lead to loops of meaninglessness. In fact, the back rooms, like a labyrinth or like the, you know, Theseus Minotaur story, they actually change. They're not logical, they are illogical. And they're more like prisons that trap you in a sort of nihilistic meaninglessness, perhaps expressing the way everyone feels that they're trapped in a nihilistic meaninglessness today. And he, he really kept building on the architecture of the original idea by people finding other doorways into the back rooms, right? So here's another one where this guy starts exploring. He finds a door and then he. The Deeper he goes into the back rooms and of course eventually gets lost. He starts finding these sort of hellscapes that are like fake model houses that are for sale, right? And I, if I remember in this one he kind of hears the voices of like his sister through the wall or something. This one's really good, it's pretty. This one's really genuinely creepy. But you can never really get anywhere in the back rooms. And just like in the story of, of Theseus in the labyrinth and the Minotaur, right at the, at this, at the heart of the, of the labyrinth is a monster. And you can never really defeat the monster, right? I don't know what the monster might be. And I mean people have posited a different ideas. Like it's the corporate monopoly capital system itself that is the monster. And here for example, he gives, he did some videos where he kind of puts a animatronic sort of monster in the, in the back rooms. He called it the Rolling Giant. And then he did another one where there was a guy, I think, out in the woods and he found this out in the middle of nowhere, like a pothole or something. Or like a stairs near a tree. Yeah, here it is. There's these stairs near a tree. And then even out in nature, right? What's underneath nature, according to this version of the back rooms, is actually also this fake world of endless corporate backroom creepiness, right? Thus all of reality itself, via the videos is thus the upper layer of an infinite. It's infinite turtles all the way down of a fake reality. What does this mean? In my view, because the back rooms are really also kind of fake. In other words, there's nothing actually in them that's, that's useful or substantial or meaningful. It's all just like worthless corporate desks, furniture, etc. Then perhaps reality itself in the postmodern corporate world is itself a meaningless virtual reality. Thus it speaks to all the people who think that we live in a simulation, right? They buy into this very easily. What if reality itself is meaningless, right? That's ultimately what this means. And if you have this worldview, then reality is meaningless, right? Because you're in this corporate viper system that makes you work for it your whole life and then you die. And so you're essentially like the office furniture. You're just another piece of the office furniture that gets replaced once you're no longer useful to human resources. And even Human resources itself is a denigrating, dehumanizing title because you're not actually a person, you are a battery, a resource, a limited resource, or perhaps not limited, because you can easily just be replaced. And thus the logic of the corporate world is just simply to reproduce the meaningless corporate world that is it. But included within that is getting rid of the humans, right? And thus people see, then what if all of reality is really just this world, this hellscape. And that, I think, is what is the, the power of the film, I suspect, and the, the pro, the. The art films. And the project here, right, is that this is speaking to everyone in some deep archetypal level and in some deep, deep archetypal way that all of modernity, because it's all premised on this ideology, something is wrong, it's off, it's all upside down. And of course many of the elements of and layers and levels are upside down within the back rooms. So much like an MC Escher painting, you're stuck in a strange loop, right? And go back to our old talks and our old videos on the strange loops. Watch some of those.
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Narrator/Documentarian
Did I do that?
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Jay
I love the smell of napalm in the morning.
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Philosophy Narrator
Don't take this the wrong way, but you're a little strange. So am I. So is everyone. And that's because day in and day out, we believe in ourselves. I don't mean it in a motivational way. I'm talking about believing in the self as identity. The capital I, the home of our Hopes and dreams, our thoughts and feelings. It may feel perfectly ordinary to be a conscious, experiencing being, but it's that very sense of ordinariness which is itself extraordinary. Here's why our cognitive abilities have evolved to such a high level that in addition to perceiving the world around us, like a lot of other species, we're able.
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Jay
All right, so we're going to talk a little bit about philosophy, perception right here. And for those that don't know a strange loop is this idea from a real one of these sort of genius type characters. Douglas Hofstadter, he wrote Gerdel, Escher, Bach. You guys know we've talked about the loops that Gerdel talked about in terms of set theory. And Hofstadter got the Nobel Prize for writing that book because he noticed patterns with the way that sets work, the way that music works, particularly certain Bach and Beethoven symphonies, the way they're written. And also with MC Usher's art, with the dimensionality that exists within his art because it's 2D, but it shows all these 3D images, right? And sometimes, especially within the labyrinth paintings, you find these infinite loops. And so he formulated this connection between language, perception, set theory, music, all of these different domains, and how there is this repeated pattern of the loop. And nobody else has noticed the backrooms also being the same type of a strange loop. Now, watch this.
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Philosophy Narrator
To perceive ourselves as well, which means we perceive ourselves perceiving. This in turn, gives rise to the self, the conviction that there's something in your brain having ideas, forming opinions, making decisions, and commanding the body. Now, if I were to ask you, who is doing all that? You'd probably answer me, I am. But what exactly do we mean when we say I consider this? You're the realest thing in your life. You're at the center of every experience you've ever had. Every sight, smell, taste, feeling and memory has been mediated by your senses. And yet, when we start to investigate what exactly is going on in the mind when we say I, something trippy happens. The concrete conviction of who you are, who I is, starts to crumble. Not only that, but the very reality of I comes into question. Follow this thread far enough and you run smack into a paradox. This is known as the paradox of self. And its conclusion is equal parts fascinating and unsettling. It argues that although we know.
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Jay
Now, just a little side note, this is relevant to what we argue when we talk about the Transcendental argument, right? And the Transcendental argument for God is specifically a theological type of argument. But the transcendental argument history also relates to all kinds of other things, right? You could do a transcendental argument for the self, right. In other words, how do I know that there's a self? Well, there must be some perceiver to have knowledge, right? Having knowledge presupposes a nowhere. And so Kant argued that to make a knowledge claim at all is a presuppositional type of argument for a transcendental unity of apperception, concept and all that. That's just fancy terminology for. For the self, that there is some sort of conscious self that is the haver of the experiences or a haver of the knowledge. Right. And so that's kind of touching on
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Philosophy Narrator
this here intuitively, that there's an I. We can't empirically prove it without referring back to ourselves, yourself.
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Jay
So in other words, referring to the self presupposes the self because there's a self having the experience of self, right? So there's this strange loop here. And this is why I've always argued that Godel's Incompleteness theorem is a kind of loose, adjacent type of thing to a transcendental argument of your eye, whatever
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Philosophy Narrator
you want to call it, confirms and reinforces its own realness. But if the reality of the self is founded upon a recursive logic, you have to wonder, how reasonable is it to believe in the self? How real are you? Who are you? Do you exist at all?
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Jay
And this is just an introductory video. I think this guy's like a. Just a YouTube philosophy dude. This is an introductory video to what the Hofstadter book is about. And you will see very soon. I'm not going to play the whole thing, but you'll see how this relates back to back rooms.
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Philosophy Narrator
There are literally thousands of ways to answer these questions. It's why neuroscientist Todd Feinberg begins his book From Axons to Identity by There are nearly as many conceptions of the self as there are writers on the subject. And to complicate matters even more, the ideas generated from these diverse viewpoints are often unrelated or mutually incompatible. So you can turn to neuroscience or cognitive science or philosophy or religion, but whichever you choose, you're bound to draw complaints that you ignored or misinterpreted or flat out didn't understand some crucial aspect of the self. Which is basically my way of saying sorry in advance if I ruffle some feathers. The best approach draws from as many fields as possible, all of which have something useful to contribute to our understanding. That's why in this video, I rely heavily on Douglas Hofstadter's I Am a Strange Loop, an ambitious, creative, beautiful attempt to answer these questions by drawing from math, art, music, science, philosophy and personal experience. Hofstadter, who won the Pulitzer Prize in 1979 for his book Girdle Escher Bach, has a knack for interdisciplinary study. He boasts a background in math, physics, cognitive science, computer science and artificial intelligence. He composes music. He speaks several languages. He translated Alexander Pushkin's novel Eugene Onegin. This guy is a polymath, sees patterns and parallels where the rest of us would never have thought to look, which makes him the perfect guide through the treacherous paradox of self. Hofstadter defines the problem as a rift between two levels of being that the self seems to occupy simultaneously. On the one hand, I is an expression denoting a set of very high abstractions, a life story, a set of taste.
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Jay
Note also these two levels and how this could appeal, how this could apply to the. The show severance, or how this could also apply to the idea of the back rooms, right? This world where you enter and you can't really get out of it. It's almost like an internal psychological structure where you're stuck inside a loop versus the exterior world, which makes sense and is rational.
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Philosophy Narrator
A bundle of hopes and fears. This one we know intuitively through daily experience. And yet, on the other hand, I is an expression denoting a physical object made of trillions of cells, each of which is doing its own thing without the slightest regard for the supposed whole of which it is but an infinitesimal part. This one we've discovered through scientific observation, but it is not part of our lived experience. Is one level of the eye the correct real interpretation? Or can both be real at the same time?
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Jay
So this is also the question of consciousness, right? There's something beyond just the physical material, you know, substrate that holds, you know, the body together, the, the atoms and, and the bones and all that, the molecules. There's something else beyond that, that is the eye that's having the experiences.
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Philosophy Narrator
So how to begin answering these questions? Let's take a look at the architecture of the self.
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Narrator/Documentarian
What am I?
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Philosophy Narrator
Consciousness. In the self don't just switch on like a light when you're born. It's not delivery, it's digiorno. Some of the ingredients are there, but it takes about five years to metaphorically bake in consciousness.
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Jay
This just gets into the question of consciousness. I'm going to skip past this and move a little bit further up to, like, Descartes, some of the Philosophical questions
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Philosophy Narrator
is sprinkled all over your brain. Or maybe, like Descartes, you could believe that the seat of the soul is located here, in the pineal gland. If so, then you're wrong. Not only because that's been disproven, but because this isn't the pineal gland.
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Jay
This is.
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Philosophy Narrator
But from what we can tell empirically, it appears that the self resides within the structure of the brain. A reasonable course of action might be to break everything down into its most basic parts. This is called the reductionist view, which argues that the entire system that adds up to the I can be explained by zooming into the lowest informational level. For example, if you wanted to know
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Jay
why, we all know the problems with materialist reductionist views, so I'm going to skip ahead a little bit more sheer volume.
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Philosophy Narrator
Instead, we shift up several informational levels from binary past pixels and sound waves to the abstract level of images and words. The same issue crops up when we're trying to understand understand the consciousness. You could reduce it, as roboticist Hans Moravec does, to a bunch of squirting chemicals, and it is that. But it would be meaningless. We have to simplify and abstract to jump up levels because our brains can't handle the information overload otherwise. Trickle, not fire hose, remember, it's why we talk about wars in terms of armies instead of each individual soldier, or hurricanes instead of raindrops. Like it or not, we're bound to these higher levels. There's another problem, though. If consciousness is at its most basic level the result of a bunch of atoms randomly bumping into each other, then why does it feel like you? Does that mean.
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Jay
Well, all right, now let's move up to the connection to the Escher part, because that's where it gets really fascinating in terms of the loops within, say, the labyrinth that Escher would draw.
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Philosophy Narrator
Know what a loop is? The water cycle, the circulatory system, night and day. In each case, you eventually end up where you began. But a strange loop is a lot stranger. Hofstadter explains it as not a physical circuit, but an abstract loop in which in the series of stages that constitute the cycling around, there is a shift from one level of abstraction to another, which feels like an up, by the
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Jay
way, which refutes materialism, because you couldn't do these abstractions if everything were just
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Philosophy Narrator
base matter movement in a hierarchy. And yet somehow the successive upward shifts turn out to give rise to a closed cycle. That is, despite one sense of departing ever further, further from one's origin. One lines up to one's shock, exactly where one had started out. In short, a strange loop is a paradoxical level crossing feedback loop. That's a lot to chew on at once. So let's break it down into smaller bites. Some of the most popular visual representations of a strange loop come from the work of M.C. escher, like drawing hands. Here we have a simple two level paradox. We see an upward shift from 2D to 3D from drawn to drawer. And yet there's a violation in this upwardness since.
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Jay
But remember, the drawing itself is 2D, so it's meta because it's a 2D drawing representing 2D transitioning into 3D, right? Which shows us that there are other dimensions, by the way, each hand owes
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Philosophy Narrator
its existence to the work of the other. Or consider the paradox of waterfall. The water flows down a course before pouring over the waterfall, only to wind up where it began. Once again, the hierarchy of levels has been violated. These sketches are helpful analogies, but they're not full fledged strange loops because, well, they're not real. There are however, two real life examples. One is mathematician Kurt Godel's Incompleteness theorem, which contains self referential proofs. But I was in the lowest level math class in school, so I'm not going to attempt to explain it. The other real life strange loop is, you guessed it, the self. According to Hofstadter, there are two proof.
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Jay
Well, in regard to the incompleteness theorems, basically this was a dispute with Bertrand Russell that focused on the question of whether or not, as Russell thought, mathematics could be a complete explanation of all reality. And Gerdell's response was I can prove from mathematics itself that mathematics cannot explain all reality. And use set theory to say that you can never have a complete set, because a set would also at some point necessarily refer outside of itself. Thus set theory reduce refutes the reductionist idea of a completely logical explication of all reality. Thus you could see why it relates to transcendental type of argument elements that
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Philosophy Narrator
make the self a strange loop. The first is an ability, the ability to think. We don't just passively receive input, we perceive. And in doing so we distill a dizzying amount of raw information in into abstract symbols in our minds. The second element is an inability, namely the inability to peer below the level of symbols. Our innate blindness to the world of the tiny forces us to hallucinate A profound schism between the goal lacking material world of balls and sticks and sounds and lights on the one hand, and a goal pervaded abstract world of hopes. And beliefs and joys and fears on the other, in which radically different sorts of causality seem to reign. Although it.
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Jay
So this gets into like free will and all that too. I'll give you guys this full video if you want to watch it later. But I want to get back to the back rooms because that's really all that was relevant to the back rooms in that discussion, in that helpful little video there. But we've talked about that for a good while now with regard to Kane's presentations. There's also these pitfalls in these areas where it can get worse for you, right? You can fall into places where you feel like you're back to normal reality, but you're actually just in another version of the hell world, right? And a lot of movies have done this too, right? This is kind of a. A recurring presentation where you come out, you think that you're back to your. Your neighborhood, but you're actually just in like a worse, you know, demonic version of your neighborhood. So really cool stuff. I do expect the back rooms trailer or the back rooms film to be really good. And it looks like people are going to explore it further. They're going to get lost, probably what will happen. And usually, I mean, I don't know, maybe not. But usually in horror films what's going on is that that you're the cause of your own prison and so you have to confront your own trauma to get out of the, you know, horror of the back rooms. But that's my thoughts on the liminal space in the back rooms. What do you guys think? Do you think that I'm wrong in my analysis? Do you think that my thoughts. Let me see my notes here to make sure I got to all the points I wanted to get to. To recap, it's erasing the past. There is no past, present or future in the back rooms. There's just wandering to an infinite bunch of meaninglessness. It's existential dread and corporate nihilism. Corporatism is innately thus in the presentation of the backrooms anti human. The liminal space is typically hearkening back to the 80s and the 90s, which was the last of the pre virtual, pre Internet era. So we are longing for the human realm. The liminal space is also very much like the Internet in that it doesn't have a lot of meaning. The meaning can very quickly be replaced and forgotten. Nobody remembers the news stories online from five years ago. Right. For example, search engines have recently been retooled to where you really can't find old archive stuff anymore. And that was all by design. That's a version of erasing the past so that you only live in the immediate. It's industrial Gothic or institutional Gothic. It's the updated version of Gothic horror. Even the idea of no clipping into the back rooms shows the gamification of all reality. Reality is now seen like the virtual, like the real, like the Internet world. So the simulacra has replaced the simulation, which is the point of Baudrillard's whole essays, right? Almost again, a kind of a prophetic warning, even in films like the Matrix. And the Matrix is ultimately sort of gnostic. It's a neonostic presentation. But there's still some truths within the idea of the Matrix. Like what if we live so much in the virtual that the real world actually just gets replaced and becomes the virtual as well? And there was a guy who made a video. I think he's an orthodox guy. Seraphim Worch. I forget his exact name. I had not seen this stuff before. I'd heard of him before, but I never really watched his videos. He did a good video on this the other day where he argued that the the virtual world doesn't have to even be a thing that you always live in perpetually, like in some coom pod. Because if you spend all of your time in the virtual world online, if you know significant amounts of time, and it actually programs you to act more like an algorithm, like a total spurg, like a spur got 5,000 Spurglord 5,000. Then you're already almost a virtual person. And you will already reinterpret the external real world as a virtual world. You're going to treat it the same way as the Internet world. So the Internet world already is the simulaca, replacing the simulation or the fake world. So you might not even need simulation theory, because people are already going to read all of reality as like the simulation or like the virtual.
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Jay Dizzle
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Jay
Today we mentioned severance. We mentioned the in between the Upside down. We mentioned vaporwave, Synthwave. What if reality itself is breaking and bending? Are we seeing all reality as virtual? So it might not be like some sort of cosmic horror in the sense of, you know, Cthulhu, or in the sense of like H.P. lovecraft, where metaphysical reality itself begins to break down. Although, who knows, maybe as the, maybe at the end of the world, metaphysics itself starts breaking. I don't know, but like, what if, um, what if the bleeding and breaking of reality isn't the actual external world, but the way that everybody's internal world and their worldview, their paradigm gets reprogrammed and restructured through the symbiotic loop of the Internet? What if that retooling of the inner world of people then basically just makes them interpret the external world in these mind controlled, hellish ways? Do you see what I'm saying? So you don't have to actually change the world. Like, well, we're gonna, you know, turn on CERN to make it like up metaphysics and reality. Well, all you have to do is like retool and re imprint the mind of the humans to misinterpret reality itself. And then you, you don't have, you don't need a CERN machine that makes time go backwards or some crazy, right? You just need dummies to be reprogrammed to interpret reality wrongly. And that's much more hellish and possible than turning on CERN and making the past be erased or make Donald Trump time travel. Whatever people think about cern, there was a novel about this, which I had not heard of, called House of Leaves. And I'll find the guy's video. Let's see. Who was that guy? I have to think of this guy's video. I should have saved it, but I don't think I remember to. Yeah, this is it. So, not really familiar with this guy's content, but I did enjoy his philosophical ruminations on the back rooms. And so I'll give him some credit because his video inspired me to do this video so you could get his take on it. Like he comes off as kind of agnostic, sort of atheist type dude, but he did have some interesting insights and he referenced this story, House of Leaves, which is also very similar to what we're talking about. We mentioned the Theseus Minotaur labyrinth story. We referenced that extensively in our lengthy analysis of the Shining. The Shining is another presentation of the labyrinth and the Theseus story. Jack is the Minotaur. Of course that's all self conscious, but so. Yeah, so that's all of my ideas on it. It's a threshold, but a threshold to wear. A threshold to perhaps hell bleeding in the hell world, bleeding into our world. Perhaps a threshold of the actual dystopia rolling out, the one that was warned about in all of these 1980s and 90s fiction stories now manifesting into reality out of the collective unconscious. Right. Perhaps that's really what's going on with the back rooms. But I want to know what you guys think. Michael says for $5. Nothing. Thank you, Michael in the filth. $2. Yo, you live, homie. Yeah, I got to figure out how to get Restream to stop automatically turn. As soon as I open Restream, it automatically starts streaming. I gotta figure that out. Y' all want to go to the back rooms? The. The. The. The vibe is definitely horrific. It's. It's a new type of horror like none other. It's. It's cosmic horror for sure. Squirrel $2. The new Sport Mormon space wise. Sounds like a modern or modest mouse. It does. D Jules, $5. Oh, you fancy now gone then I'm about to rui 20. Thank you so much, Mickey. $2 for your Indian Hydra crew. Zombie hunter sends a big old fat hundred dollars. Thank you. He's winning the super chats tonight. Zombie hunter says Jay. The people crying about Massie on X are cringe as especially Zionist billionaires. Jeff Yass, who also funded him. This shows the moral relativism of the libertarians and how duped they are by oligarchs that fund any side or every side. Can you do a TED Talk on this topic? Yeah, I think it's not surprising because people don't look into who funds stuff. And if you've got powerful oligarchs on the. On both sides, this is really the. The tale of politics for forever. Politics is always a who's funding it game. It's not the rhetoric of the politician. It's who's putting the money behind the person. In fact, we were just Watching Peaky Blinders and I'm getting near the end. And by the sixth season, as is always the case in Mafia stories, right, Killian Murphy has, you know, climbed the ladder to being an international corporate syndicate. And he's involved now in politics, right? And he's a politician. He's part of the Labor Party. And lo and behold, not only is he part of the Labor Party, he's also on the down low, working to undermine the fascists. In terms of Ian Mosley, he's also working to steer the ira, right, Irish Republican Army. He's also working to steer and control the underworld. And so he's playing all sides. In fact, there was a great scene reminiscent of the, the famous scene in the Prisoner, the, the excellent TV show, which also illustrated this point where he's explaining to the IRA girl because she's like, who. What side are you on? Are you on the Communist side? Are you on the Socialist Labor Party side? Are you on the democracy side? Are you on the organized crime side? Or are you on the fascist side? And he's like, there's a circle. All of these sides eventually meet. He says, if you go far enough to the right, he says, you'll meet the far left. And he says, I'm in the middle because I am a rising corporate elite and I want to use when is necessary all of these ideologies to my own ends. I wonder if I could find that Prisoner scene that shows that. Oh, I think it's the one that. Is it the Global Village? I think it's Global Village. I wonder if I could get away with playing it or will it copyright it? Yes, this is it right here. So now if you've ever never watched the Prisoner, it's amazingly deep philosophical spy show. There's never been a show like this. It's a spy show that's also like super deep conspiracy and philosophy lore. Nothing like it ever. It only went one season. But if you don't know, Patrick McGoohan plays the former British spy who's taken off to this retirement village for former spies. Because the spies know too much and they have to send them off to this place in, in the middle of nowhere. They don't actually know where they are. And this is actually real, right? This is based on a real place. Obviously this is sci fi, sort of dystopian version of it, but there really was a place in Scotland where they would, would truck these dudes off and kind of keep them locked up in this like hospice place in Scotland, right? So it's Based in reality. I read a whole bunch on this and it's. It's a significant section of my first book, right, because it's very insightful to what's going on and it's very relevant here. Watch this means that there are some people who leave this place and some who do not leave. So Patrick McGuin on the left there, right, he's against this whole system now because he doesn't understand why as a faithful, you know, British intelligence operative, he's been retired and sent off to this dystopian controlled village. And he's talking to his sort of controller handler person who he thinks runs the village. And he's like, whose side are you on? Watch this. You are obviously staying. Has it ever occurred to you that you're just as much a prisoner as I am? My dear chap, of course, I know too much. We're both lifers. I am definitely an optimist. That's why it doesn't matter who number one is. It doesn't matter which side runs the village. It's run by one side or the other. Oh, certainly. But both sides are becoming identical. What? It in fact has been created an international community. Hear that? The Village is an international type of community that will mirror the macrocosm of the international community coming out of the Cold War. A perfect blueprint for world order. When the sides facing each other suddenly realize that they're looking into a mirror, they will see that this is the pattern for the future. The whole. Notice how prophetic that is. The Cold War would produce a dialectic that would result in a synthesis of a perfect controlled corporate world order. And if you don't know, the whole village is run by a kind of all seeing eye surveillance system that doesn't allow you to leave the Village as the Village. That is my hope. What's yours? So the espionage control dystopian world of the Village.
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Jay Dizzle
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Jay
Cause for Alarm.org is the model for the New World Order, and the prisoner was telling you this in 1967. It's a super profound show. Nobody watches it, nobody's seen it, except for a handful of people. Lord Voldemort mentions it all the time. That's why I end up watching. I think it's because he mentioned it all the time. But if you've never watched it, I know most people don't have the patience because it's not an action show. It's a high tier, high IQ sort of British drama almost. But if you do have the patience and the ability to watch it and the attention span. Yes, you would. You would watch it. Then you would actually be able to vibe with a lot of my content if you understood what this show is about. Fallacy. $5. Show wig. A little bit of support, y'. All. Y' all need to monetize this diva. Exactly. Scotty. Too hottie. $10. Jay, do you have the title for the Holy Ray Ban song? I actually think it's up there with Pay Piggy and Quasimo. Quasimodo. I'll have to put it on YouTube. It's still just on my X. It doesn't even have a title. 0 dot. $10. This is in support of Wigs Anthem. Thank you, biscuit head. $5. Dude evolves more and is more into Smeagol as he wars against the church. You talking about Ruslan? Ruson's turning into Smeagol, Not a massage agent. $10. Yeah, we did that one earlier. Pot belly goblin. $10. Ruslan talks about marketing like he's selling rap CDs outside of a black community college, which he probably has done. Giovanni, $5. I went to steakhouse to order a filet mignon. The waiter came back. I said and said, how was it? I said it was Philia. Okay. Yeah. The people want to debate us and don't even know how to pronounce the words in Karidian. $10. Queen of the wigs. Antium. How do I watch more of your requiem streams? Requiem screens? Oh, Resident Evil streams. There's the only ones I did are up. So I got to where I was so eager to play the game that I didn't live stream the whole game. I only live streamed like twice. So. Storm of the cat, $10. Many liminal space videos also have the 2000s aesthetics. Yeah, okay, whatever. I mean, you know what I'm saying? It doesn't have to actually. It doesn't have to literally only be the 90s. It can be 2001 or two. That's fine. Yeah, there's a Windows Vista aerosthetics. Okay. I mean, let's not nitpick, dude, but thank you for the super chat. Jmail15 Father here's just talked to David Wood on his stream. I did see that. I thought about doing a live stream on that, but honestly I just wasn't in the mood to do another prot. Slop drama stream. I'm just like, after a while it gets old. Like, I mean we. We did 20 hours, 30 hours of streaming on that last week. I just needed to talk about something else. Turns out Protestants needed exorcism. The chat was so wild. All they did was talk about orthodoxy charging people for baptism, which was a lot. Well, that's all they have, so. But. But I appreciate that super chat. Maybe next week we'll review it or do a stream on. I just. My mood is not prod slop. I can't talk about that for freaking 40 hours straight, man. I gotta take a break. So. Leontas, $10. Somebody literally posted Gerdo Esravach yesterday or earlier on X. I was reading about it for the first time. Very interesting content, very crazy that you brought. That's providence, dude. Synchronicity is really just providence. Basically the same thing. JB, $5. My interest in cognitive philosophy and perception specifically was instrumental. Instrumental in getting me to be received into the orthodox neptic tradition. That's. That's great. Yeah, there's a lot of amazing overlaps and parallels here. In fact, I may just title this the Liminal Space Stream. I've been wanting to do that for forever. I don't really want to get into the ruse launch again, but look, I. I just. It's just so. It's much more fun to do go off into these other directions. Slow boy, $10. This is my penance. To the emperor and the biggest diva of Exanthium. You know? You know that's right. Let's talk God. $5. Uncanny psychological horror is very dominant in modern horror. Yes, it's leaned on most, in my opinion. Thus you Have a win take when it comes to the back rooms. Thank you, dog. Mr. Funzerker. $10 if you enjoy backrooms. Greylock is a shift towards a deeper psychological occult territory. Is that a game or is that a a movie? It focuses on the human mind and it's manifesting a fake reality through occult mind control programs. Well, I did play the new Alan Wake and a lot of people were critical of the new Alan Wake. And you guys know that we did some funny streams on that. Everybody was cracking up about those. But I beat the game and it ended up being the same type of stuff too. It was fun. It wasn't my favorite game, but it was fun. Epic skeptic. $10. Can we get another game stream? Yeah, we will. We will. What about Knights of the Old Republic? I think I have played that some. I just forgot about it. I got busy playing so many other other things. Tweet bomb, $10. There's three great books that tie into your analysis about back rooms and this corporate angle. Amusing Ourselves to Death. Yes, I'm familiar with that. Technology by Neil Postman. Yep. Or in Technology Understanding media by Marshall McLuhan. And then the rest of your super chat is cut off. But yes, I'm familiar with those books. Tingu. $10. I actually just caused a schism from Rap Church. I started my own church in the back rooms. Well, I guess we do need the. You might as well set a franchise up everywhere. So set one up in the back rooms. O that would actually be pretty, pretty fun. I'm going to. Here's a fun use of AI. Get the AI to make a liminal space backrooms version of a church. That would be awesome because it would actually end up being like rhythm church. It would look just like these fake ass business corporate church. What is Lovecraft's cat's name? $2. Can you answer my question please? Well you didn't ask a question. You just sent a two dollar super chat. But ain't got no question. By the way around here it's called question v Scott. $5 gold for the goal that we get near the goal. We're almost at the goal. You guys want to support the stream? Hit me. I mean hit that goal right there, right? We gonna hit that goal right now. We got like one super chat left to hit that goal. Although technically we have hit the goal because YouTube doesn't register the streamlab super chats. But we're almost there. Help me hit that goal right there. That's going to fund this big interview that we're doing y' all Grant $5. I would love to see a reaction to the avi loop stuff that's going around. Oh, I did watch part of that. Maybe we'll do that next time. So I saw this guy's video pop up and I started watching.
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Narrator/Documentarian
I watched about did with no one being able to answer.
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Jay
I watched more than 50 seconds. I got about six minutes in and I do intend to get to this.
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Jay Dizzle
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Jay
What time is it? We got some time. Y' all want to do this right now? We might as well do this. Got some more time. We could do A reaction to Obi Loop. Griff Master. Yo, I'm the Griff Master. I'm the Griff Master. Spitting dope rhymes. I'm the Griff Master. Dude, Ruson is a Griff Master. Can't nobody come close to Ruson's Grifton. You guys want me to keep going or y' all getting tired? Y' all getting tired because this don't fit in, I think, with the strange or the. With the. Yeah, with the back rooms and stuff, right, y'. All. Me keep going. Hey, y' all want the good times to roll? All right. Canonical beer, $10. Thank you so much. Vector of intellect, $5 to the goal justice, $10. Thank you for your service to Wigs Antium. Thank you. Dog lab tip 5$. Check out the short story Feathertop by Nathaniel Hawthorne. I've read Nathaniel Hawthorne. Dude, come on. Like I don't know Who? I did English Dog. He's a writer. That flannel Connor admired for storytelling and Gothic grotesque. Feather Top's message on society. Intelligence. The average person will haunt you. That's a really good idea. I need. I need to do that. Let me write that down or else I'll forget. Dude said Feather Top, talking about Ruslan's hair. Who said Ballet Top? Yeah, but have you read Nathaniel Hawthorne's Broccoli Top? Good old Broccoli Top. Broccoli Top. Rouge on. Yeah, I gotta write it down. I forget, dude, what's it called? What about Liminal Business Church? Dude, that is limit. Dude, his. His church is Liminal Business Church. That's the thing. It's called Feather Top. See, a lot of y' all don't know. I've read a bunch of lit. My. I was doing a lit grad degree. Lit and philosophy. You know the one that I made up that I lied about or whatever? No, I went all the way. All but Thesis abt. And my thesis was partly written, so I just published it in peer review. But you said Feather Top will haunt you. I'll check it out. And then you. Let's see, we got greylock is a YouTube series. I think I've seen that. Now that you say Greylock, I'm pretty sure I've seen that. Let me see. Yeah, I think I've seen this. These credentials are not recognized. Dear believers, when men pursue evil, it is back in 1864. Yeah, I think I watched this. Or one like it. Maybe I haven't seen Greylock. There was a YouTube horror. You guys might know what I'm talking about. I don't remember the name of it, but it was like instructional tapes. When the social collapse has happened. I don't know if it's like a zombie outbreak or something, but it's like these videos of, like, into the world instructional videos. Do y' all know what that one is? That was a pretty good one. I might be getting that mixed up with Greylock. I don't think I've seen this one. But there was one like this. If you guys know which one I'm talking about, mention it in the chat. Because I can't remember the name of that one. But it was also very popular. It had, you know, million views or whatever. But I would like to get into this one if we have the time. Let's see. Put it on 1.5. What's up, y'? All? Thank you guys for the chat. Yeah, that's a great point, too. David lynch also was Doing liminal space horror before everybody else for sure. Yep. And somebody made a video of other forgotten liminal space horrors. But a lot of them were. Were pretty. They were not very good. Like B movies that were just almost unwatch. Since we're on this theme, I'll pull it up. Yeah. This guy's channel. His name is Nightmare Movies. I've only watched some of his videos. This one that he did was. It was pretty good. It was okay. The name of it is. I'm talking about the movie. What's it called? I remember trying to figure out what the dame of the freaking movie was. It took forever. Cuz it's not listed. Anyway. You can go find the name of this movie. Like it took me forever to figure out what it was. It was an okay B movie. It did have some creepy vibes. But it was such a. Such a B movie. It was hard to watch. And then he did another video I think listing a bunch of liminal space horrors. But they were not very good. Of course. Obviously it Follows. That's a classic. That was really good. Which I heard they're making it. It follows too. I think Silent Hill would count. I am a Silent Hill fan. Obviously. Mulholland Drive, obviously. You know, the Shining would count. Lost highway would count. I guess Blur Witch Project would count. I don't like found footage horror movies. I think they suck. They're really annoying to me. But I. I will say that the first one was pretty good. Twin Peaks Firewalk with me. Definitely liminal horror. Pulse was pretty good. Pulse was better than I expected. And they. They even did a remake with Kristen Bell which is not as good. But it was okay. It was definitely liminal space horror. Cube. I don't think I've ever actually watched Cube. I've heard it's good, but I don't think I've ever got around to it. Dimland. I don't know what Dim Land is. I've never heard of that one. That might be cool. I did think Vivarium was good. For some reason we missed it. We never did a deep analysis of it. I thought it was good. It was a good liminal space horror. Cosmic horrors. Of course. We've done Dark City many times. It's in Esther Hollywood 3 now. Beyond the Black Rainbow. Definitely good. We did that. We covered that a long time ago. And pretty. Pretty much all of the Greek just went blank on the Greek dude's name. Mandy. Right? Obviously Mandy was. Does this not have Mandy on the list? I mean Mandy is better than Beyond Black Rainbow. Surely Mandy's in here. They didn't put Mandy down. Well, they miss. They missed one of the best. What's this one? Oh, Eric. Honestly, it looked too creepy to. For me to watch. Like something about being stuck in the low res for the entire movie was just a little much. I just couldn't do it. I can't believe they didn't put Mandy on here. Mandy's like the most. That's like the pinnacle of all of these. I apologize. I'm not being able to figure out this. The name of this movie, but this guy did. I think he intentionally didn't put the name of it there so that you would like hunt around and click on the video to figure out what it is. Which is pretty smart actually. But what do you guys think is the best liminal horror film? I mean, definitely probably, Dude. So many of David Lynch's things are going to be up there. I mean it follows as a classic, but I probably, I want to say probably David Lynch. It follows a. Mandy would have to be. Have to be the best. What do you guys think? What movie sucked? Yeah, I like Colorado Space. I mean, Mandy was a lot better than Colorado Space, though. Just overall as a film. I mean, Mandy is like. And there's some really intense parts that are hard to watch. But I mean, that movie is just. That movie blew my mind, dude. Out of in the Mouth of Madness. Yeah, that's, that's, that's cosmic horror. I don't know if it's liminal. It could be. It's kind of liminal space. I like the triangle. I like the void. Aren't they making a part two of it follows. Am I right about that? By the way? I have to say, while we're on the, on the movie tip, There will be one and.
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Narrator/Documentarian
And immediately was like, are you doing the sequel?
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Jay
What's happening? What's happening?
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Narrator/Documentarian
And you are, in fact, finally we're doing it next. That's the next gig.
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Jay
Yeah, that's the next job.
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Narrator/Documentarian
You said before. I've heard you talk about it.
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Jay Dizzle
The script's pretty great.
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Jay
It's very, it's very dark and. Oh my God. But up scale, what. What do we got?
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Narrator/Documentarian
1 to 10.
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Jay
It's pretty. I mean, what would you put the first one at? That's an eight or nine.
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Philosophy Narrator
You think?
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Jay
Yeah, I mean, it's so hard for me. It's like not scared. Of course it's not scary to me. So it seems like, you know, then this would probably be like a. A 15, 6. So she's saying that it follows 2 will be a 15 on the 1 to 10 liminal scale of crazy. Oh, there's already a trailer. No, that's got to be a fake ass trailer.
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Jay Dizzle
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Jay
causeforalarm.org Dude, I hate fake trailers. They drive me crazy. Dude, there's nothing worse than freaking fake trailers. Cuz you get all excited. You're like, oh, dude, they get. Oh. But anyway, I mean, I think Mandy. Mandy's got to be up there. Dude. Come on, dude, you got to be honest. It's crazy. Event Horizon. Event Horizon is just more of a. Just a freaking space faking gay space horror. Dude. Lawnmower man, we've done all these. By the way, Peewee's Great Adventures actually is kind of. There's elements of liminal horror and Peewee's Great Adventures. It's definitely trippy at times. It's interesting too, that along with, right, the back rooms vibe in the liminal space horror vibe, that that's kind of taking over horror.
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Philosophy Narrator
Now.
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Jay
That is interesting. I didn't even think about that because they started trying to make horror woke, right? And that's. It doesn't work. It bombs. People don't want that. So it makes sense that this would be like the next, you know, trend within horror for sure. Mimic. That's not liminal space horror. Dude. What are you talking about? Y' all just playing now. Hellraiser again. I don't know if Hellraiser really makes it. I mean, I Think liminal space just has to be like creepy, empty, corporate weird. You know, it's David Lynch's fan turning in a room with just a lamp and a. A recliner. You know what I mean? Oh, I forgot you guys. Yes, I have to mention we will be doing as above so Below and that was actually way better than I expected. Again, I absolutely hate found footage horror movies and I that's why I didn't want to watch as above so Below. It was actually really good. And Jamie and I are going to be doing as above so Below the ritual. And we're revisiting Eyes Wide shut and the ninth gate after 10 years. So let's do a little bit of this because a lot of people are talking about this now and I started it and didn't get to finish. I got distracted. So let's check this out.
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Narrator/Documentarian
Sort of a seemingly simple question. What was AVI Loop? And the more you search for answers, the more deranged this trail becomes. This is the story of Avi Loop, YouTube's darkest mystery.
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Jay
And there's no catch.
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Narrator/Documentarian
So what are you waiting for, Captain?
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Jay
Now, I'm under the impression that this is real, right? This is not like a totally fictional sort of marketing thing because I haven't finished the video, so I don't exactly know where it goes. I got like five minutes in. So am I correct, those that have watched it, that this is purported to be a real thing? Welcome to aviloop, your collective buying website for anything aviation.
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Narrator/Documentarian
The formula for Avi Loop's content was simple. A young woman stands in front of a static white background dressed in a flight attendant's outfit. They refer to themselves as deal attendants and their job seems to be sharing, sharing information about this new brand, AVI Loop.
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Jay
We offer deals on flight lessons, pilot accessories, fuel, FBO services, charter flights, and even small aircraft. You don't see that very often.
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Narrator/Documentarian
The brand marketed a number of unique aviation related services, making them appear as a one stop shop for anyone in the industry or just anyone interested in flying. Avi Loop claimed to do it all and at unbeatable prices too.
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Jay
Our deals are usually 50 to 90 off.
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Narrator/Documentarian
Promoting deals of 50 to 90 off it hard.
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Jay
Well, you know what this immediately reminds me of? Remember the connections that Jeff Stein McEfrey had with the women who offered to fly you on the planes? Like there was these ads and like promos of these chicks dressed like flight attendants and that was part of the deal. When you fly with the Jeff Stein Airlines. Jeff Stein MC Airlines it seems like
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Narrator/Documentarian
anything mysterious Just your standard subpar ad from the early 2010s. But the more you watch, the less clear it becomes. What exactly Avi Loop did they let their business incredibly vague. There were no prices, no locations, and rather they just listed a bunch of flying buzzwords offered at deals that seemed impossible. For example, they list fuel supply among their offerings. But how are they actually getting the fuel and providing it at 50 to 90% off? And where in the country or even the world are they offering it? It just doesn't seem realistic what they're saying. Sounds fine on the surface, by the way.
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Jay
It's really fun to revisit because a lot of these movie podcasts, you know, we did a lot of these analyses back when we had like 20,000 subscribers, you know what I mean? We did, we had 30,000, 20,000. And I mean we've got, you know, 10 times the subscribers now that we had back when we were doing all of those. So maybe we need to like review and revisit a lot of these movies that we did, you know, before we had a larger audience.
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Narrator/Documentarian
But the more you think about it, the less sense it really makes. It just seems too good to be true. Not to mention how bizarre it is that this unknown company could come in and offer literally anything you could want that's flying related with such exorbitant deals. Admittedly though, this is easy enough to ignore and play off as an ineffective or even deceitful advertisement. But there was something else that was much harder to ignore about these commercials, with that being the deal attendants themselves.
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Jay
So you guys are saying I'm already nailed it, dude. Listen, when Jamie and I watch movies, I'm we. I'm like expert movie detective now. Jamie's like, I'll solve it like that, dude. I'll be like, well like we'll be like 10 minutes into 5, 10 minutes in the movie. I'm like, oh, it's. They're like, oh, yep, that's it. Now every now and then I'm wrong. Cuz that's why the only movies I like nowadays are the ones that can actually trip me up, which is. It's got to be like some crazy, right? Like, oh, that was actually a synthoid from another dimension. It wasn't that guy, right? Otherwise, like, I'm going to figure out the movie right away.
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Narrator/Documentarian
Despite Avilu claiming to be a professional aviation business, it's difficult not to notice how cheap these women's outfits appear. They're clearly costumes rather than real flight attendant uniforms.
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Jay
Now that's what I'M saying Tingu like Jamie's like Jamie got me. This is best example of this. I never seen Usual Suspects, right? And within the first minute or two minutes of the movie, I knew it was Kevin Spacey because in the shadow, the way that he held the cigar is the gate and the stance that Kevin Spacey has. I was like, it's Kevin Spacey movie ruined within two minutes right away. Because it shows you the shadow of the villain in the first two minutes. Like that's obviously Kevin Spacey. You can tell the way he stands.
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Narrator/Documentarian
And they're clearly over sexualized too. They're essentially dressed as fetishized versions of actual flight attendants, which is bizarre as one of the services that Avilu claims to provide is staffing for flight crews, which would include actual flight attendants. Yet for whatever reason, they chose to dress these girls in seductive costumes. If they were trying to make these advertisements look professional, they were failing miserably. And it wasn't only the outfits that had a string.
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Jay
They all. It looks kind of AI though. But they didn't have AI back then, right? So it's weird because the, the way it looks now, it's kind of like creepy and AI and fake looking sexual undertone to them.
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Narrator/Documentarian
It was also the script that the girls were reading.
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Jay
Whether you want to learn to fly, charter an airplane, or just see more girls like me or to more girls like me. Abby Loop can help. Avi Loop can help. So what are you waiting for, Captain? And remember Top Gun, clearly you're attracted. Now I don't mean to be too dismissive here because I don't know where this is going to go, but I mean, is. Is this video just about ladies of the evening? Because I'm not saying that that's right. But I'm saying like, I mean, isn't that the second oldest profession? It's got to be something crazier than that. Like maybe they're trafficked or something like that, or they're. They're not of age, I don't know. But I mean, it's got to be more than just, you know, 304s, right? That, that's not. That's existed since the beginning of the world.
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Philosophy Narrator
This increases with every flight under your belt.
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Narrator/Documentarian
Bizarrely, the videos themselves were filled with sexual innuendos.
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Philosophy Narrator
Anyone who claims that humans were not
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Jay
meant to fly never experienced the thrill
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Philosophy Narrator
of their own successful landing.
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Jay
Get ready to fly big boy airplanes.
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Narrator/Documentarian
They were clearly trying to. Trying to be more than a little flirty, which goes hand in hand with the outfits. That they were donning. Now, some might argue that this was a sign of the times. In 2011, edgy and over sexualized marketing was still very much in the norm, with several major companies building their entire brands around the approach. But the only problem here is that the videos made it unclear what Avyloop was even supposed to be offering. Despite saying a lot, the lack of details made it entirely ineffective, like the business itself was an afterthought, with the focus instead being on these women. In fact, even in the channel's description, they simply wrote Meet Avyloop Deal Attendance. This is the official page for a brand new company trying to promote its services. And that's all they had to say. That's how they marketed their entire company, making some wonder what was actually the role of these deal attendants and what was actually the purpose of Aviloop?
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Jay Dizzle
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Narrator/Documentarian
The first and most likely theory at this point is that Hobby Loop was an overambitious company that used over sexualized marketing to build intrigue around its brand at a time when others were doing the same thing to great success. Maybe they weren't even off the ground.
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Jay
This just seems like of right o f style arrangements before of Is that what it is? Yeah, like Girls Gone Wild, but Private Jet Edition. I'm not trying to downplay like that. That's creeper. But you know, is there is there something more in terms of illegality going
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Narrator/Documentarian
on here and over promising on services that they hoped to one day be able to provide. But for the time being we're just throwing out there to get more people to visit their website. But with such a focus on these deal attendance and just how strange these videos come across, some were left with a different theory that rather than aviloop using sex to sell their service, maybe sex was their service. The theory goes that Avi Loop was a front for pornography or even prostitution, poorly hidden under the guise of this fake aeronautics company. This would explain the prominence of these deal attendants as they themselves may have been actresses or prostitutes. And it also explains the lack of information about the company itself as the reason their deals and services don't seem to make any sense.
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Jay
Jeff Stein, MC Airlines I like that one.
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Narrator/Documentarian
Jeff's Dynamic Airlines was because they weren't actually offering them. It was all just a cover up. And honestly just going off the eye test. This is how the page comes across. But there are other details that make this theory a lot more compelling. For starters, in numerous videos they mention an unusual feature of their website that users can vote for their favorite deal attendant and win prizes. As a result, you can even vote
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Jay
for your favorite deal attendant and win special prizes.
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Narrator/Documentarian
With one of these special prizes later being revealed to be a one on one video call with one of these deal attendants. This shows that the deal attendance weren't just for marketing. They were corporate core part of the services offered to Avi Loop users, making one wonder what was actually happening on those video calls and was it perhaps something sexual? And it goes even deeper than that.
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Jay
Duh. Like, I mean, obviously by now we can tell it is. What do you mean?
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Narrator/Documentarian
Loud enough for even the deal attendant to take notice. It's very unusual and certainly not a sound that could just accidentally happen on a typical film set. Which makes it all the stranger that another inexplicable noise was heard in the background of a different video. And this one left viewers far more distressed.
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Jay
You want to learn to fly, Charter an airplane.
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Philosophy Narrator
Or to see more girls like me
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Jay
Abby look can help. Or to see more girls like me Abby look can help. Or to see more girls like me Abby Lou can help. Yeah, we've reached the point where I start calf maxing. Y' all know we at that point when I'm putting the cavs up with Cab Max. So y' all help me out here. Let's get to the. Did we get to the goal? We're one super chat away from the goal, y'. All. Come on now. You all gotta help a wigger. Help me out right now.
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Narrator/Documentarian
Some believe that this is yet another sexual moan. While others swear they can hear a specific word, the word help. It's incredibly concerning, especially if this prostitution theory is true. I mean, there's just so many implications to it given the link.
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Jay
Oh, interesting. Okay, so I was wondering if it was going to get into like a trafficking angle. Let me hear that again. Because to me it didn't sound like they were saying that, but also have it sped up. So let's hear it, let's see.
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Narrator/Documentarian
Especially if this prostitution theory is true. I mean there's just so many implications to it. While others swear they can hear a specific word, the word help. Maybe it's incredibly.
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Jay
It was. It was kind of. Maybe. We'll see. Hard to tell.
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Narrator/Documentarian
Concerning, especially if this prostitution theory is true. I mean, there's just so many implications to it given the link between prostitution and human trafficking. But again, this could all be part of the marketing. Maybe this was all just a ploy to get people to visit their website, roping you in with these sexualized, creepy and even concerning videos that almost demand that you dig deeper. Well, if this is the case, then surely visiting their website would help put this mystery to bed.
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Jay
Oh, is this going to go to Jeff Stein McGaffrey? Yeah. So there's a whole section of the video about Jeff Stein MC Airlines. Well, I already knew about this. Didn't we know. Didn't we already know this or did this is this guy just make a more in depth video? I thought we already all knew this
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Narrator/Documentarian
at the time these videos were uploaded back in 2011. Those visiting the AVI Loop website would be met with a rather lackluster experience. The homepage was dull and uninviting and seemed about as vague as the videos promoting it. However, they did have an about section that attempted to describe the service more in depth. There they mentioned that the primary goal of AVI Loop was safety, as they believed that making training and other aeronautic services more accessible could in turn.
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Jay
What do you mean it's all fake? It's. There was a whole Jeff Stein Airlines thing that came out. I don't know if this is that, but that wasn't fake. What do you mean?
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Narrator/Documentarian
Help prevent accidents? Which strangely was never even hinted at in their videos and is never mentioned again on any other portion of the website. But it was in this about tab that they listed even more services that they claim to provide. Services like navigation equipment, headsets and pilot vacations, among many other things. Basically anything even remotely related to flying they saw sold it, or at least Claimed to. And they insisted that they did so cheaper than anywhere else by using collective bargaining, a process that they would go into greater detail about. Basically, Avi Loop acts as a third party, partnering with aviation businesses to promote unique deals on their site. Each of these deals has a quote.
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Jay
I mean, the websites definitely look super freaking cheap and fake as hell. Look at that, dude. Is that their. Is that the website or like their fake ass, fake book Facebook profile? That's ridiculous.
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Narrator/Documentarian
That must be hit for it to actually go through. So if enough people buy the deal, the quota is reached and everyone gets a voucher to do or receive whatever they paid for. But if the deal doesn't reach its quota, then everyone is refunded and the deal is voided without any cost to the users or the business. Avi Loop was the middleman, which could explain how they managed to offer such impressive deals and such diverse services. Though, again, this is just what they were saying. Begging the question, was anything actually being sold on avyloop.com well, there actually was. The deals were sorted by general locations, and most consisted of flying lessons, museum trips, or even temporary tattoos. However, there was something unusual about these.
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Jay
I mean, they. They're selling the chicks, dude. This is, like, obvious now. What do you mean? What y' all think?
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Narrator/Documentarian
Stinks. Bizarrely, almost every deal on the site was marked as completed, each having ended in 1969, which obviously was impossible. There were only a select few deals throughout the entire website's history that were ever even active. And even then, there didn't seem to be a way.
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Jay
All right, I'm gonna skip ahead a little bit. This website part's boring exposure.
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Narrator/Documentarian
Adding a deal attendant has the potential of making it viral on social media sites. Promotions that include a video tend to be extra successful. There's a lot to unpack here. For starters, this explains how Avi Loop makes their money. They're basically charging companies to run ads using these deal attendants, and the videos on their channel are examples of what these ads would look like. Though calling them professional is extremely generous, and I can't imagine any companies actually wanting to use the service. And given that these are the only videos that they shared, I don't think many, if any, actually did. Extremely sexual in nature, they were meant to mimic pilot stripes and be put on your shirtless shoulders with a package reading when a uniform just won't do. And the description adding all sorts of innuendos appear so fake. But that doesn't inherently mean that they were actually involved in pornography or prostitution. I mean, despite all these innuendos. There is no direct mention of the sale of sex anywhere on the website from what I could see. And unfortunately much of the website is lost to time as in 2016 the site would go down, replaced by another random URL, making it impossible to know what this platform was actually like for those who signed up for it. What were they actually being offered? What were they discussing amongst themselves? And what happened on these video calls? It's all unknown as what I've shown is pretty much all I was able to salvage from the way back.
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Jay
Yeah, I mean this immediately seems like obviously some sort of criminal operation running under a front, right? All right, let's get to the next part.
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Narrator/Documentarian
It comes across like a sham website, void of any notable information, with one exception. There was a single new addition to the site as at the very bottom you could find a short bio not of a deal attendant, but of a legitimate pilot named Nadia Marinko, the creator of Avi Loop.
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Jay
This it's Mareno, not Marinko is huge
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Narrator/Documentarian
as Nadia Marenko was a well known and extremely successful pilot. Which makes AVI Loop all the more confusing as you would think that her involvement in the company would help legitimize it and make it seem more likely that Aviloop was a real company after all. But instead it actually did the exact
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Jay
opposite that wasn't that's the chick connected to Jeff Stein.
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Narrator/Documentarian
Involvement plunges this mystery into a whole new depth. A depth far darker than we've yet to discuss. Born In Czechoslovakia in 1986, Nadia dedicated her younger years to modeling, landing multiple high profile roles in her country. And by the age of just 15, these roles led to her being moved to the United States to help continue this budding career. But by 20, her interest had shifted to a different kind of Runway. She became obsessed with flying and had a natural talent for it too, quickly rising through the ranks and gaining certifications faster than most others could at that age.
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Jay
Oh, that's why I recognize her face, because she's on the cut the thumbnail of the video and she was tied to the Jeff Steinman caffrey stuff.
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Narrator/Documentarian
By 25, she was considered extremely accomplished for someone so young, and her resume would soon reach a wider audience. When she began leveraging social media,
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Jay Dizzle
She
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Narrator/Documentarian
posted videos under the alias Gulfstream Girl and eventually Global Girl, where she marketed herself as a supermodel turned pilot, which worked to the tune of millions of views. Nadia Marenko was a star in the aviation world and on social media too, and it was during the height of the success that she started Avi loop. It clearly wasn't meant to be, so she started it.
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Jay
Interesting. Let's get over here to the. The real meat of the video.
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Narrator/Documentarian
Eliciting and procuring minors for prostitution.
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Jay
He was involved in trafficking young women
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Narrator/Documentarian
and children over to Little St. James. In case you're somehow unaware, Jeffrey Epstein is the most prolific pedophile and human trafficker maybe of all time. He carried out a large scale human trafficking operation bringing children to his private island that he and other elites exploited in horrific ways. It's considered one of Epstein's victims. He found her through her modeling job when she was just a teenager. And she didn't just come to the United States for work. Epstein himself brought her.
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Jay
I knew it. So, just like a movie, I solved the case within two minutes. What do you guys think? Y' all were like, how do you know he already knew? I didn't even watch. I promise I didn't watch it yet.
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Narrator/Documentarian
They're allegedly purchasing her from her father. What followed was Nadia becoming his self described sex slave. It's a horrible and unimaginable fate. But while Nadia appeared to have been a victim of Epstein, that wasn't all she was as after becoming an adult, she also became Epstein's accomplice. When Epstein was first investigated by the FBI back in the 2000s, many of his victims came forward and claimed that Nadia was not only present for their ability abuse, but she was a willing participant there to satisfy Epstein's criminal sexual desires by, on occasion, directly participating in and prostitution of the minor girls. Now, Epstein was eventually given a sweetheart deal for these crimes in 2008, which led to him serving just 13 months in prison. And as part of that deal, Nadia was given complete immunity, meaning she never.
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Jay
Yeah, I think she. And she disappeared. Like, she's probably in witness protection or something.
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Narrator/Documentarian
Face any sort of repercussions for her use of children. But despite being a free woman, by the time that Epstein was thrown in jail, she stood by his side, living in his New York City home, waiting for his release. And while he was behind bars, Nadia would Visit him roughly 70 times. These two were deeply connected.
- [114:29]
Jay
So she was still, like, running the running that he couldn't run while he was in there.
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Narrator/Documentarian
Well, after she was his slave, with Nadia even making a scrapbook for Epstein, which is just so terrifying that I had to at least mention it in this video. It would be several Years later, in 2012, a time when Nadia had long since left Epstein's home and his control, that Nadia would rejoin his operation, this time with A brand new role. She became one of Epstein's pilots, taking victims and perpetrators alike to and from the island on the plane they dubbed the Lolita Express. What happened on the Lolita Express?
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Philosophy Narrator
Everything that happened on the Lolita Express
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Jay
and his other planes was the same
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Narrator/Documentarian
thing that happened in his bedrooms and the massage rooms.
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Jay
The abuse did not stop because we're in the air.
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Narrator/Documentarian
Jeffrey couldn't take a two hour flight
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Jay
without having to ejaculate. Like, that's how sick this man was.
- [115:14]
Narrator/Documentarian
Nadia Marinko was directly trafficking children for Epstein. And she was doing this in 2012, mere months after she started Avi Loop, which bring.
- [115:22]
Jay
Yeah, I knew it. I knew this was exactly where I was going to go. Did we hit the goal yet, y'? All? Come on now. We're almost to the goal. Y' all would help me hit that goal or not. We're like one super chat away from the goal. I'll read a couple more super chats here. Fernando. $5. What do you think about liminal business? Church that's already Ruslan church. It exists. Barangos. When is cholo church? Potloco. Yeah, we don't have potlucks with Paloco Tingu. $10. We do Franzia wine in back room. Communion. Yes. Correct. That's corporate fake wine fallacy. $5. That could actually be a good idea for a short film. You find a church in the back room. It's a burst of beauty in the nightmare. That would be weird. D Joel's $10. Jay Dizzle watch under the Banner of Heaven. A Mormon detective investigates an unalived Mormon woman and her child that are mixed up in fdls Cult. Is that a documentary or a movie? What's it called? Banner of Heaven. Let's see. Oh, it's a drama miniseries. Oh yeah, I heard about this with Andrew Garfield. I think Jamie watched this. I'm pretty sure Jamie watched it. She was saying I need to watch it. Fantasm. $5. My first super chat. My first time ever seeing your stream. This is great. Awesome.
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Jay Dizzle
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Jay
Guess what you got archive of. You got a lot of work to do, son. You got. What do we got now? 1600 videos to get to start working. You best get the work, son, since you're new around here. But welcome, Fernando. So, for $10, besides Posca, what's your favorite service? Sunday or St. Gregory Palomas in Lint. He says Dormition. Vespers is goat. Mine is Nativity. Dormition. I like the Triumph Orthodoxy, too. Peter White, $5. It's quite sus that the Protestant grifters know more about Islam than they do about Christianity. Oh, that's a great point. Real quick, while I'm. While I'm on the subject, and shout out to some of my friends for hipping me to this point. I didn't realize if someone believes what might be going on, and now I think this makes perfect sense. So the question is, what made Ruslan suddenly so fussy about all this? Right, Because Ruslan himself admits that he had a change of mind in the last month. Right. And that's what spurned the catechumen being pitted against the, you know, Gavin Ortland and Trent Horn. But what. What exactly caused the change in Ruslan's mind to be going in this direction? And I think we figured it out. So it turns out that every time that he's had Orthodox people on, and that includes. He's had me, he said Neil and Jonathan Peugeot. He's had Father Desai. He's had Father Peter. Here's on. He's not realized until after having all of us on that we're not an ecumenist church. Okay. I don't think Ruslan originally thought that. His thought was, how can I increase my market reach? Oh, here's this whole group of orthos. I'll reach out to them, and then they'll be part of my audience as well. So he's thinking about it, as we all know, as a marketer. Right. Well, he starts having all the orthos on. And he realizes that they don't teach ecumenist, lowest common denominator Christianity. They don't teach mere Christianity. So then he realized that wait a minute. Their exclusivity claims are not going to work with my marketing approach. But that's not all. He realized that when you go to the comments of the videos with the Orthodox, all of the comments are how they're becoming Orthodox. Let's look at these comments. It's about becoming. This is the best line in this video. I'm being baptized in Orthodox church next month. I left Protestantism. 1300 likes Orthodox is so deep. I'm becoming Orthodox. I'm former Presbyterian. Becoming Orthodox. I'm becoming Orthodox. Like the. The first 50 comments are about becoming orthodox. I would say 90% right. I converted Orthodoxy. I love it. I just became a catechumen. Right? Orthodoxy has the best, deepest understanding. Greetings. I'm Greek Orthodox. Orthodox. Orthodox. Orthodox, Orthodox, Orthodox, Orthodox, Orthodox, Right. Ruslan realized that the comments are not amenable to what he wants. The comments are about Orthodoxy. Let's see if it's the same on Ruslan with Father Trenum. So if you come into the church, you're going to see hundreds of thousands. I'm a new orthodox convert. I'm 50 years old. I'm on my way to Orthodoxy out of atheism. I'm becoming Orthodox. More and more people are coming to Orthodoxy. These are the top comments. I was protestant. Now I'm orthodox. So I think my thesis now. And this is shout out to my friends who hit me to this point. Rusan realized all the times that he bought brought the Orthodox people on and they went against his dumb assumption that we all would say, you know, an ecumenist. Yeah, bro, we all got to just get along, dude. It's all the same church. He realized, oh, they don't believe that. And even their top dudes that I bring on don't believe that. And they don't support my marketing goals. That is why he has now decided that all the orthos are actually bad. I've also been told from some inside sources that these goobers are all coordinating. They have either telegram or discord groups. And all the goobers are working together now to fight the Orthodox. Now, wait a minute. If you are an ecumenist and a lowest common denominator believer, then you have to believe that Orthodoxy is also part of the lowest common denominator church. Right? Because they're saying you can go to the Messianic synagogue, right? Well, if the messianic Synagogue counts in their LCD view. Obviously Orthodoxy counts. So even if Orthodoxy is exclusivist, it shouldn't matter to them, right? But then we start to realize the fact that it does matter to them shows that they are actually exclusivist themselves. So we have figured we have solved the mystery. Ruslan realizes that the comments are all pro Orthodox. So that's why he had to switch away from having Orthodox people come on to Christian tmz. Literally, his whole channel is Christian tmz. Ruslan quit having Orthodox people on. Did you notice that after. Who was the last? I don't know who the last one was. It was either me or maybe, I don't know, it wasn't Pajo. And by the way, I don't count the this dude as Orthodox, right? So Ruth Lawn Ruzon is still presenting the Orientals as if they're Orthodox, and they're not. So I don't count that dude. Instead, what he's done is his fake panel of Orthodox verses. Notice this? Remember, it wasn't a debate, according to Ruslan. And now he's got it tagged as verses, so we believe. I thought it wasn't a debate, though. But now it's Catholic versus Orthodox versus Protestant. That's adversarial language, Ruslan. So notice this actually shows that the truth is out. And Ruzon actually was lying. It was a debate because now he's got the adversarial language up. Catholic versus Orthodox versus Protestant. So he intentionally put a catechumen up. Everybody said, why are you putting catechumens against seasoned debaters? He said it wasn't a debate, it wasn't debate. It wasn't adversarial relationship versus is adversarial dummy. And originally it said debate, and he blamed it on his employees. Remember that? So again, Ruslan is just a total liar and he's a total marketing grifter. To be fair, Ruslan just had Orthodox priests on. No, that dude is not an Orthodox priest. You talking about this deacon. This deacon is an Oriental. He's a schismatic. And Ruslan intentionally is putting the Orientals on because he thinks he's so dumb. He thinks that because there's people who claim to be Orthodox, that that's a proof against Orthodoxy's exclusivity. This is how low tier he is. That dude is not Orthodox. That's the schismatic deacon that confronted Philip Nectal knucklehead or whatever otherwise. I mean, Ruslan is basically Christian tmz. It's just, like, drama. So he had Neil And Pageau on two years ago. He's still doing these, by the way. Watch our. We clip this of this poor girl. We clipped this, by the way, into a full sort of documentary, two hour documentary thing documenting his lies and bull crap. So here is the downfall of Ruslan video, if you want the full clipped version of it. But yeah, that's what's going on. So now we know the mysteries of Ruslan. Peter. No, Cameron. $10 Ruslan thinking about how much church plants he could set up in the back rooms. How do I monetize these back rooms, by the way? Here's the full avi loop video. Did I need to watch anything else in the Avila video or did I get basically the. I knew within like a minute, dude. I knew that's what. What it was. I'm a good detective, dude. Come on now. I'm the movie detective, bro. Have they made an actual good back rooms video game yet? That seems like it would be interesting. I know there's a bunch of. I saw a bunch of like $10 ones on PlayStation 5 shop, but they look crappy, so. Is there any of them that are actually good? I don't know. I like how this one's like the. The portal to the back rooms, like in Stranger Things, right? And you go in there and it's the first contact. And what's up with everybody ripping him off too? Like everybody just. I mean, you can do your own versions of it, obviously, but like, there's like a million different channels that did the exact same thing that he did. The pool rooms. I saw the pool rooms. Is that actually fun? I mean, don't you just run around? You don't really. It's cool. Okay, I'll check out that one. I almost played that one. I don't know if it was any good or not. So you're saying Ruslan? Yeah, I think hers is the most recent Orthodox person. Ruslan head on. Oh, it's creeping me out, dude.
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Jay Dizzle
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Jay
Teen Goose says for $5. Anyone remember Marble Hornets? That's the Slender man series. Yeah, I remember slenderman man. Ethan go $5. I bought Esther Collwood, but I have a problem. I don't know how to read. Storm the cat, $5. Mirror's Edge is a liminal aesthetics. Okay, I've heard of that. Casper Guest, $5. I'm a Nick Crowley fan. I watched his video on a loop. I was going to say you need to watch it. He has several videos on liminal spaces. I didn't know that. Well, dang it. Already closed out the video. What does he say about that? He's got a bunch of videos. All right, let's see. Did y' all like my philosophical breakdown? Oh, okay. He does have a bunch here. Let's see what he says.
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Narrator/Documentarian
Our world truly is a terrifying place. And I don't think there's ever been a more relevant time in this channel's history to make a statement like that. But one of the things that has always scared me the most about this world is when it glitches. What happens when you glitch out of reality completely? Well, if this happens to you, you may find yourself in a place where no man should ever go. A never ending prison of rooms that exists outside our world that's now your new home. And if it sounds scary, maybe you'll take comfort in knowing that at least you won't be alone. To 4chan, that caught the attention of many. The picture was of what we now know as the backrooms. Something about it, the emptiness, the tone just gave people bad vibes. And summed up the photo was incredibly unsettling. Along with the photo, a caption was
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Jay
added that Isn't it crazy that just this one photo created this whole. This whole lore and now it's like hundreds of millions of views and it's going to be a motion picture. I mean, it's just crazy that this. This rando image here caught on.
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Narrator/Documentarian
Just gave people bad vibes.
- [133:13]
Jay
By the way, I took a real. I'M not saying I was. I'm not trying to do that. Like I was doing this way before anyone else. I took a really cool liminal space image a long time ago on my Instagram. I'll have to try to try to find a. Try to find it, dig it up. It's pretty crazy. It was. I was driving to. To Texas in like 2017 and there was this really, really creepy looking abandoned factory. And I pulled over and took a picture of it. It looks really neat. I'll see if I can dig it up for you guys.
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Narrator/Documentarian
Was added that claimed that the back rooms go on for an impossible distance and every room looks the same. It is said that there are a few ways to wind up trapped in these back rooms. Some say that they can be accessed through your dreams or even seen in visions because of the.
- [133:58]
Jay
Well, that's by the way, why the backrooms would be associated with or connected to the collective unconscious. Right? Because when you're dreaming, you're going into your inner world, your inner framework, which is I think, actually kind of structured like a house or structured like some kind of world. And I've had a theory about that for a long time. But. And the reason I think that is because a lot of my dreams, I. Especially when they're recurring dreams, there's like areas and places that you can return to and then explore new areas past those areas. Right? Kind of like in an open world video game when the map's gray and then you go into the new area and you've discovered new areas. My dreams are that way. So I think that there's probably something to the inner world actually structured that way. And that's why it resonates with what people see in the back rooms.
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Narrator/Documentarian
Many claim to recognize the picture and even felt some sort of nostalgic fear when seeing it. But others claim that the only true way to get there is much more difficult and it requires a tremendous amount of luck. Or perhaps in this case, the exact opposite. It's theorized that every object we interact with in this world is clipped to our reality. So for example, when you bump into a wall, you collide with it and you bounce off of it. But going back to glitches in our reality, it is said that on occasion, objects within our world will noclip. This is something that happens often in video games where a part of the map becomes noclipped and you bump into it, you go right through it, and you sometimes end up falling right off the map. There your player is stuck still inside the game, but in an endless void beneath the map. In the real world, people believe that some objects can become. No.
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Jay
Which, by the way, when you're playing a game, it sucks. Like, it's awful when that happens because you always have to turn it off. You can never get out of that, obviously, which is what makes it shitty, right? But check out his liminal lands with Nexpo. Was this the one? The video you're talking about? No, it's not. It's a different video. Okay, I'll find that one. Next. Parker, thoughts on Cadreanu? I don't know much about that. I haven't read much about it. I still haven't gotten into it, so I don't know. Eugene, $10. Shea Dyer or Han Solo. I'm curious what you know about AI Kodak and the end of Metal Gear Solid. It prophesied the rise of a digital censorship in this area. I've heard people saying for years that Metal Gear Solid was very prophetic. I only played part of the first one because my buddy that passed away, he was. He was a big fan of it and I played it with him a little bit, and I just never got into it beyond that game. Tiger green tiger. $20. I got your book in the mail. I'm so excited. Do you think that the new war movies that come out like Michael Bay's new movie and the new World War II movie or predicted programming they could be. I mean, a lot of movies are. I didn't. I don't know what Michael Bay's new movie is or what the new World War II movie is. I will say, though, that the. The new Resident Evil looks very fascinating. This will be the first time that perhaps the critics are going to like a Resident Evil movie. I mean, I'm a fan, just kind of a guilty pleasure. I like all the Resident Evil movies, but the new one is the widest. Kid, you know, guy that did weapons is doing it, and it actually looks like it's going to be. Like. It might actually be a critically acclaimed horror movie. It looks. It looks pretty good, I have to say. The Zach Gregor guy. So I am looking forward to the new Resident Evil. All right, I gotta get these super chats going here because I'm. I'm starting to melt down and get mush minded. Josiah Mandy is the best Nick Cage film. Oh, good question. Is that the best Nick Cage movie? Probably some subjectivity is going to come into that one because it's hard to say, but it's definitely up there. It's definitely up there. I mean, Bringing out the Dead is pretty good too, though. But then so is Bad Lieutenant. I mean, he's got a lot of bangers, man. He's. He's. He's really good. Storm the Cat. The multiplayer maps in Halo Combat Evolved are liminal. Interesting. I haven't played halo in like 15 years, dude. Ethan, $2. Room 1408. Yeah, that could be constant noodle. $2. Possessor was good. It was all right. I was. I was expecting more. Kara, $5. The most liminal space movie is Stalker. Oh, good point. Now, for whatever reason, I have to brag because it didn't get promoted in the algorithm, but we've done podcasts with Andrei Tarkovsky's son, so I've done Stalker at a in depth level and everybody forgets this. And nobody watched it when it should be like a freaking zillion views and we only got 13, 000 views. So here's me with Father Vladimir. We do an entire two hour mini documentary almost with Andre Tarkovsky Jr. On Stalker. Hello. This should have like a million views. It's got 13,000 views, but thank you for reminding me. Yes, that is definitely a liminal space horror. Great point. Tar Plants. Tar Plantis. The Tank is an interesting movie. It's a mix of backroom stuff with World War II. Interesting. The tank bristle. $5. Jack Murphy is the of the Liminal Order was my favorite horror show, not a massage agent. $10. JB. $5. In the same vein, is anyone watching Destiny's Schizo arc? You might have covered it. It's funny. I did mention that a few months ago. Is he still on that Schizo arc? I don't keep up with Destiny canonical. $10. The counter is broken. We actually broke your goal eight chats ago. Cool. Well, actually, I like the idea of a broken counter because then you guys. You guys just keep doing it. Dude. Y' all just keep giving some chance, bro. Yo, dude, that's wild, bro. Yeah, You bring out the wig in me. 10 good. $5 is the gold bug. I don't know. Maybe I need to refresh on my end. Let me see what happens if I refresh it.
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Jay Dizzle
and you can trade every game in every series. On Couchy. New York is trading at 11 to win the finals. That means a hundred dollar trade pays out 856if they win it all. On cow. You're trading against other people in a live market. That means no house and no odds maker. And as the odds move, you can buy in or out anytime throughout the postseason. For a limited time, download the Cow she app. Use Code heart to get $10 when you trade 10k a l sh I cow she trade on anything.
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Jay
I wonder if the goal has to do with. Does it actually have to be a $20? Like if you do 1999, does it not count towards the goal? I don't actually know know. Maybe that's it. Arman Luigo. Armani. Luigo armani lugo. $5. I'm new to your channel. This is my tribute. I heard you were an emperor. You heard correctly. Thank you. Welcome. Broccoli says for $12. This is my tribute to the Emperor Requiem. $10. PP Kaka. I love you, bro. Appreciate that. That's high tier and I love it. C Willius, $5. I would like to nominate Riff Raff to the Wigga Senate. He's already a potentate, dog. I was wondering if he was okay. If so, then I feel like we could be okay with filoque. Exactly. Mav, $5. Finn, $5. Somehow I'm sure somebody in the Middle east is behind all this. Ortho. $20. Gold Mountain Walk. $5. Galleons. Are they allowed in Wigsantium? Hell no. You think we want to let them butt pirates and vigs and hell no. Thought of a pilgrim. $5. Good luck on the coming big interview. Thank you. We good this weekend, dog. Big one coming this weekend. Y'. All. Y' all helping me pay for it right now. Nick. Dick Weiner Ruslan is running the Goober industrial complex. He part of that GIC son. J money, $5. If all these grifters converted to orthodoxy and they came out, would you be worried that they were infiltrating? Yeah, I think what would have to happen is just like with like certain sins and proclivities. Like it would prevent you from immediately monetizing. I'm serious. Right? That would be the the norm. Tingu, $20. I'm sure that you will never sink 100 hours into any anime or anime video game. But Persona deals with collective unconscious called mementos. Yeah, it's on my list of games to. To try. I'll. I'll definitely try it. I don't know if I'll stick it out, but yeah, I'm familiar. Sean Patrick, $5. We are the dreamers of dreams. Name that movie. It sounds familiar. I'm just tired and I'm forgetting because it's. It's late into the evenings. Wigga nationalism. $5 from the wigs. Antium Nation, baby. Straight up. X locks to 10$. There's something off putting about the aesthetic of the 70s all the way into the 90s. I don't know about all the way into the 90s, but I mean, I think 70s aesthetics is pretty gross. 80s is. Is gaudy and wacky. But I like it because I grew up with it. 90s is weird and all over the place, but also kind of like it. And there's a huge diversity between early 90s and late 90s. There's moisture in the air. There's emptiness. It's hard to explain. Thank you for this stream. Thank you. I love these culture streams where we go off in the different directions. Kadeno, $5. Ashtar Sharon credit be upon him is the cracker angel whose light spoke ex cathedral from the Galactic Federation. But is. Is this false? In Wigsanthium? It sounds like it would be. Parker, $5. Toys with Robin Williams is not a horror. But it's very liminal. Yes, it's also trippy and seems like MK Ultra and we've been meaning to go back to toys for a long time because I. I don't know if I've ever even seen the whole. The whole film. It's freaking, dude. What? How much acid were they doing when they made that mo? Look at this trippy, dude. Watch this. Yo, dude, that's trippy as hell, bro. For real, man. Who put acid in my. My Alps? Yo, Tucker done put a bunch of LSD in my als, dog. Yo, dude, that's trippy as hell, bro. We got to do this movie. For real. You want to know what LSD is like? This is like this right here, dude. This is what it's like. Is it like Willy Wonka? I don't even know what it's about. It definitely seems like MK Ultra base though. Is that Robin Wright? Joan Cusack. Yeah, this would be weird to watch now. I bet you 100 this is some straight up LSD. MK Ultra Mind Control. C. Willius, $5. Liminal Space Mind Space Memento Machinist Donnie Darko To a degree. I I'm like the one person that doesn't like Memento. I don't. I know. I've heard a million times that I need to like it and I've given it like three chances. I just don't like it. I don't like it. I mean, it's not a bad movie. It's just not. I don't find it fun. Machinist is hard to watch. I love Donnie Darko.
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Jay Dizzle
The playoffs are in full force and you can trade every game in every series on Couchy. New York is trading at 11 to win the finals. That means $100 trade pays out 856 if they win it all on cowshe you're trading against other people in a live market. That means no house and no odds maker and as the odds move, you can buy in or out anytime throughout the postseason. For a limited time, download the Kalshi app. Use Code heart to get $10 when you trade 10k a l s h I Kalshi trade on anything Most home
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Jay
causeforalarm.org Tingu $50 just cause I love you Jay. Safe travels. Thank you Tingu. Much appreciate you guys are being very generous. Jaylon $5 anime is cool. I'm not an anime hater. I'm just also not super into anime. I've always been kind of neutral on anime. Like it doesn't really bother me. A lot of dudes are weird that are into it, but it also doesn't bother me. But see, I grew up only with Ghosts in the shell, which I like. Mio Hayazaki movies, I liked all those, but I've never gotten into the other ones. I just keep forgetting to do it. I know. Neon Genesis Evangelium I know, I know. I've got like a list of all the ones that all the bros have told me for many years. I will do it. I promise. Eventually. Straight white male $5 I wish JP would debate he's getting cooked by everybody. He is dumb. Now, apparently he wants to debate. I'm skeptical that this will actually happen, but I'm told through third parties that he wants to do a public formal debate. Okay, we'll see. I'll believe it when it happens. Pepper profit, $5. Your analysis is worthy, King of Big Xanthi. Thank you, dog. Y' all starting to. Y' all starting to see. Y' all starting to believe. Believe that. As my friend who passed away said, you better believe that
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Narrator/Documentarian
from reality a wall will appear darker than the others around it or you'll find a door that you're certain there should be nothing on the other side. If you have a keen eye, you can notice these things and avoid them at all costs.
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Jay
I dare say this might be the best back rooms analysis. I'm not hating on Nick Crowley. He's doing good stuff. I've seen some about three videos I like now from Nick Crowley. I'm not hating on it, but I'm. I mean this stuff is sort of a more of a pop audience stuff. And we just went like super deep, dude. We went deeper than the other philosophy, bro. That did that just did a big great. He did a great analysis. I mean that is analysis was what inspired this analysis. But I was like, dude, I could take this analysis to another level. I think we did that.
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Narrator/Documentarian
Nothing of the implications that are soon to come. And much like a character in a video game, if you interact with a non clipped object, you fall off the map. And one could imagine that it's incredibly confusing and terrifying to go from.
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Jay
Are you noticing how everybody is explaining reality now according to video games gamification? Right. That was the one of the key points in my analysis.
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Narrator/Documentarian
Existing in one world to instantly being dropped into another with nothing but millions of square miles of empty rooms on either side of you. But this is your reality now, and it's where your journey into the backroom begins.
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Jay
What's interesting that there was originally, I don't know if it's still the case, posited to be three levels to the back room. Because in ancient Greek mythology reality was three tiered like that, right? You had the underworld, you had this world, and you had the world of gods. That's interesting.
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Narrator/Documentarian
Level 0 is a maze of monotone yellow rooms, each looking the same as the last, with only the slightest of variations. The carpet that covers a level is. Is moist and creates a persisting scent. In the beginning, the only sounds that can be heard is the consistent loud buzzing of the old fluorescent lights. As you walk through the rooms, you'll start to realize how big the area actually is. Every room just leads to another and another. You start to wonder how big of an area could this actually be? And how could this even be possible? Many will start to run and sprint through the rooms, thinking that this might get them out of this maze faster. But it's no use. And after running around for seemingly an eternity, you'll finally realize that you likely going to be stuck in here for a while.
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Jay
That's what I'm saying. It's like the Theseus story, right? Because in the Theseus story, the labyrinth constantly changes and you can never get out of it. So it's kind of like a hell story, right? And then he. The. The Minotaur is the beast or the sort of Satan of the labyrinth.
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Narrator/Documentarian
This first level. And that's for a few reasons. Either they lose the will to carry on, or they encounter something while walking through these rooms. You may find yourself encountering humanoid creatures. After walking for hours and maybe even days, just imagine the horror of turning the corner and seeing something standing there. Something that isn't human. These creatures are known as hounds and they look like disfigured humans who walk on all fours. They make a low rumbling noise.
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Jay
So the back rooms are just hell. This just corporate hell. Basically 40 crush $5. The Nordic aliens seated life in Northern European. They taught yaku before they left. Exactly, son. That's. That's one of the. You know, in Wigsantium we would say that that is an acceptable form of comparative religion. Ortho cards. Wigga please. Cheddar says for $5. Jay. I was actually having one of the worst days I've ever had in my life. Dang, dude. I'm sorry, bro. Everybody pray for Cheddar. However, you don't know how much I appreciate your live streams. That's awesome, man. People think I'm mean. I would rather just clown around. I'd rather just joke around with you guys. I'm being serious. Squirrel $2. Two new Mormon space wife song is Modest Mouse. Yeah, we did that one. Oh, you Fancy Rui since $20. Thank you so much, Rui. Nixie gives five memberships. Appreciate that. Nixie Scott Too Hot Toddy $10. J. Oh, the link for the Holy Ray Ban song. It's on X. I'll put it up on on YouTube. MC Romex gifted 10 memberships. What's up dog? DJ MC Romex biscuit head. No, we did that. Josh says for $5. Have you ever considered that the view of unconditional election pre predestination might be why Protestants don't need. Don't care about false teaching. It could that contributes to that. Absolutely. Especially if they're Calvinists. Right? I mean, a lot of Protestants are not. Very few Protestants are actually 5 point Calvinists in the total. But for the ones that are. That's probably why they don't. They don't, but I don't. I mean, Ruslan's not a Calvinist. I don't think he has any of those types of views. DM500RSDs. What's up, dude? Thank you. Romax, $10. You heard the man. We all want Spurgey Tag questions. Oh, you joking, dude. You joking, dude. DM sends 250 RSDs. What the hell? Currency is a RSD. Forget branch theory. You got Broccoli theory. Yo, dude, y' all still cooking? Kaiser says Jay, you gotta see the ode to Yakub. What is that? Is that a song? That sounds awesome. Let's see if we can find that. I'm liking Nick Crowley's videos though. He's. He's impressing me. He's got good stuff here. O to Yakub. Let's see. Oh, dude, look at this right here. All right, this looks fun. I'll give it to you guys in the chat, but I don't want to ding the the copyright. This is a fire stream, son. I think we might get a lot of views on this because of the back rooms. So I don't want to. I don't want to mess up the algo if I play copyrighted music. Yeah, get out of here. You are here. You. You haters in the chat are henceforth banished from the kingdom and empire of Wigs Antium. So mode it be MC Romax says Jay hitting Blue Steel tonight. Oh, y' all want a little bit of that? I forgot. I keep forgetting. I got the diva cam. Let's hold up. Y' all want a little bit of that? You got it, dude. My key. $5. Isn't Twin Peaks all back room? Yes, we said earlier, David. David lynch is sort of the OG of liminal space. Back rooms for sure. Deep says for $5. My Indian text, formerly leather. $10. Spit some new fresh bars. I mean, I could, dude, but it's the end of the night, man. You gotta ask me that at the beginning of the stream, bro. Even though you actually did. Because that was an old super chat. But I'll try to. I'll try to do some new cringe course soon, y'.
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Philosophy Narrator
All.
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Jay
I'm just kind of tired Right now I need a new song for my wife's ringtone. Voice of Reason song. Y' all getting tired of that one? I recommend the movie Obsession. It's one of the best horror flicks in the last 10 years. Obsession. That sounds familiar. Oh, this is the new one. I want to see this. This one actually does look good. Yes. Is it out? Can you watch this now? Is it in the. In the theaters or what? Yeah. Thank you. I do want to do this. And yeah, it will probably be worth analysis. They look good enough for analysis, for sure. Alter void, $10. I remember Betamax versus VHS fights when I was a kid. Yeah, we. We used to. When I was in California, we would. My dad was kind of a cheapo, so he would still rent Beta maxes because they were cheaper. Tingo says, yo, we all starting to get Ruslan fatigue. Yeah, aren't you sick of his broccoli hair and his. You know, that dude's breath stinks too. Like, I feel like I've watched so much, seen so much Ruslan fa. I feel like the breath is coming through the screen. I'm starting to smell his. His stank ass breath. I'm. I'm tired of Ruslan, too. I'm glad y' all is feeling it. Jacob says for $5. I'm Orthodox because of you, bra. I just want to reminisce that one time you had to give.
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Jay Dizzle
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Jay
Derek Mythvision A spanking. I was in that live Chat. He gets like 50 viewers nowadays on his live stream. Thank you for destroying him. His content was actually stealing my faith, making me gnostic. Remember he said his channel was going to take over. He was gonna. He was the future and he was gonna be like 500k, gonna be a million in no time. And. And you're saying it's 50. 50 people in his live stream? Armo slug. $5. What do you think about the Armenian Apostolic Church? Well, unfortunately they're in schism. So they do have a lot of things in common with us, but they're also in schism. So great Scott said for $5. Father Peter was on with David Wood. He did really, really well. Good. I hear though that the whole chat was just like they're just pearl clutch. They don't even care about theology. Dude, that's what I'm trying to say. Like we're over here trying to do these high tier theology arguments and they're just pearl clutching about renting a Greek Orthodox fellowship hall. Yo, yo, Char for baptism. That's all they have. They don't even care. JD $5. I'm curious if you think that there's any esoteric thoughts dreams in Christianity that do not cross into the gnostic heresy. Well, I mean, palamism. Is that so? Look up hesikiah and palm ax. $5. Do you know the Henry Noak Store Novak story? I don't. Is that probably something to do with like Islam and dystopia and Islam and. And Islam in the uk. Henry Nowak. Abstract back rooms? Nah, son, I'm trying to talk about the black room. We ain't ready for have this conversation yet. Yo, I like the way you think though. Jason could sell $10. I haven't watched in a long time, but would you say Aronofsky's Pie is a liminal space movie? No, I wouldn't say so. I mean it was definitely creepy. And dude just goes, dude, pie was predicting all of these gematria tards. PI is. Is the exact exemplification of the gamatria tards on the Internet. Dude, I thought we was going to have a easy fun stream. We might make a, you know, couple hundred dollars. We're almost at a thousand dollars tonight, y'. All. Thank you so much. Y' all been super generous. All right, where was we at? Let's see. Back rooms by the end of the night. This. The scrolling thing does not work. Well, maybe that's the end of the super chats there. Jake Croat says for $25 for $25. Can you riff cringe Core to Charde. Oh, dude, let me try to make a note of that and do it on the next stream. I'm way too tired, Dude. We've been in the back rooms for two hours, man. The back rooms will suck your soul. Drop riff to Charde. What do you want me to rap about for 20? Just anything. Don't say Ruslan. I'm so sick of Ruslan, dude. I'm. I'm. We got ruse on fatigue around here, man. Car. I said for $3. Asa, could you do a paranormal stream, fool? La llarona slapped ham, ghost or whatever. Yes. It's been a while since we did a spooky stream. We've done about three or four, and they're a blast. So, yeah, we need to do more of that for sure. For show. For show. I'll make a note to do another spooky stream. Dude. Well, this. This one counted as a spooky stream. Like I said, we was in the back rooms for two hours. That was spooky as hell. Spooky stream right here. Y' all want spooky streams? Listen, if y' all request spooky streams, you got to come do it, though. You got. Y' all got to be here. I don't want to do a spooky stream for 500 people. Y' all got to come show up. J Money, $5. Are you going to switch to a PC? Jim Bob says you're boomer. I, I, I can't do it. I'm too boomer. I'm sorry. You should get FDA and a walkie talkie. I would actually be ironic and hipster. I'll go full hipster and do an interview on a walkie talkie. That actually sounds pretty cool. I could trip out my guest that I'm interviewing my big guest this weekend. What if I. What if I tripped her out and I was like, now we're doing this interview via walkie talkie? She'd be like, what, yo? She'd be like, make sense of that. I'm like, there ain't no sense to it. That's why we're doing it. You in the back rooms, guys, Remember, we got a show sponsor, which is chalk.comchoq.com. best solitation on the Internet, head over to chalk.comc-h oq.com. use the promo code J50J60Life J Y60L I F E is 60 off all those great products, including the male vitality stat writer. Y' all don't remember the previous Spooky Streams. I know Slow Boy Wiper does. She was here for all. She loved it. She was. She was loving it. Dude. Spooky Streams. Let's see what we called it. I think it was called that. Let's see. No, it's not that one. Here it is. Look at that, dude. Ghost Glitch matrix. Look at that. We was scaring y'.
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Philosophy Narrator
All.
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Jay
Too many of y' all got scared when we did the stream right here. So if you get bored after this and you need more of it, here's a whole other spooky stream we did. Scary Ghost Glitch in the major cryptids, UFOs. We did it all, son. Right here. The only thing in this genre that I absolutely hate. I love spooky videos. I hate when they go into abandoned buildings and walk around with their GoPro cameras and wait until somebody farts and then they claim it's a ghost. I mean, I hate those videos so much. I will never watch. I hate those. I will not watch ghost team videos. They're the stupidest, most boring of all. Dude. Cody, sleeve a CODIS Live $5 bump up for the Spooky streams. All right, y'. All. Y' all sending money. You want spooky streams? Okay, Benjamin, $5. Steve Greg said on a Facebook group he would debate you. I don't know who the hell Steve Greg is. Look, here's the rules, y'. All. If you got a small channel, you. You call in. I don't do a formal debate with anybody with 500 subs, a thousand subs, 10,000 subs. You don't get a formal debate. I'm. I'm trying to monetize these people. That's a joke. Malaeus herit a quorum. $5. I expose Ryan from need. God, he's got a script. I don't. I'm not surprised. Go check out the link on my post. That is hoh Mala hereticum. He says he follows the script. Dude, I bet you he's just repeating AI, isn't he? So is Ryan is knee God just repeating AI? I bet he is, dude. That dude is so low tier. Gave in Orleans for $3. I'm sending this because that wigger Rouge Land starts punching the air because he knows his ops are stacking paper. Yo, dude, we about to make rude line so mad right now. Dude. Dude, he's. Dude, I. Dude about to turn red, bro. He about to be a rib piece of broccoli dog. A cook broccoli, son. Thank you guys so much. We're gonna do a spooky stream. X Lock Step says for. For $2. I like shoes, I like money. Banana up the butt says for $20. Did you read Michael Hudson's book Super Imperialism? No, but I did read Eric Wahlberg's Postmodern Imperialism, but let me write that down to get it. This dude's always coming with them book recommendations. You would enjoy his point of view critique of US imperialism through finance. It gets into the gold standard, ending IMF and World Bank. Now it sounds perfect, Michael. Super Imperialism. Michael Hudson. We listen to our audience around here. A lot of these. A lot of these streamers don't even listen to the audience. Marisa Heyman, $20. Spring Bakers. That's wigger Liminal space. Damn, son, it is. I didn't even think about that. And listen, me and Tristan, we did that. You got you. Your boy Tristan over here retiring from the Internet. Meanwhile, this is when he could come shine. This is his moment to shine and he's retiring from the Internet. But yeah, we have fun doing that one. Spring Breakers. This was old school, too. Look, this is Jay and Tristana Candy when I was looking weird and. And puffy from carbs. Dude, before Tristan convinced me of his diet cult. Yo, y' all, check that out right there. Benjamin, $5. Look up Steve Greg. He ain't a slouch. I didn't say he was a slouch. I said, does he have a hundred subscribers? He's debated James White, Aiken and Staples. I don't know. We'll see. I've already planned out like 10 debates, dude. Well, not 10, like five. But I'm willing to bet that some of those people won't show up. JP, Ant Dog, $5. Jay ordered your book. I'm eager to get into it. How long does it usually take? Well, if you order the red book, they're supposed to be here in the next few days, so that's probably what you're waiting on. All right, thank you guys so much. Y' all been a lot of fun tonight. Josh says for $2, this was a win. Back room Stream. Do you have a patron saint? Yes, Daniel Prophet Daniel is my patron saint. I love these kinds of streams. I can't do this theology nerd every night. Drives me crazy. Jaylon, $5. Do you think Don Young Don is kind of slow because he got his thing chopped? Well, I don't know if he's. He seems impressionable because they easily convinced him, so he seems at least very impressionable. But I don't know young Don so I can't say what all's going on other than like if you're convincing people to get circumcised. I mean, they don't know nothing about the New Testament. Like they haven't read the Book of Acts, Galatians, Hebrews. I mean guys, thank you so much. If you would hit like and share Tell me more Back Rooms Most home
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Philosophy Narrator
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Jay
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