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Crazy DEBATE! SNEAKO vs JONES, Fabians & Islam & The WEST! -Jay Dyer
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Today we cover the Alex Vs Sneako debate and his stupid grift, the attack on our civilization by a host of demonic ideals and open calls and debate on ANY TOPIC! Call in here: https://x.com/JayDyer/status/2075307566570049926?s=20 Superchats at any...
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Caller/Listener
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Jay Dyer
Welcome another open debate, another day of insane news. Crazy stuff, crazy debates. We're going to take a look at Alex Jones debating Sneako and not a serious debate. An entertaining sort of blood sports, I guess you could say. I don't even know if I'd call it a debate. We will have open phones for any topic that you guys want to cover. Any questions, it's everything is on the table today day. Let's find the longer version of this comedy event. Also relevant things that occurred today we had or yesterday we had Joe Rogan posting the Rupert Lowe interview which is all about Fabian socialism. Rupert Lowe has been calling attention to that something that we have focused on heavily in the last five, six, seven years that garnered a massive attack from mainstream media against that guy about the Fabian Society because of course Keir Dahmer and others were members of the Fabian Society and they are the reformed Marxists who have planned going back to late 1800s the demographic change in the west, particularly in the UK that becomes the model for the other elements of the clergy plan adopted by the same peoples. Now where is this Sneako debate? And look at the full debate because this was off the hook, dude. I don't know if you guys saw it. This is part of it. Was he only on there for a few minutes? I thought they had a long. Maybe. Maybe they just had a brief discussion. We'll do the brief discussion since that's the only thing I see coming up and then we'll open it up to you guys in the calls. This is Alex versus Sneako, convert to Islam.
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Alex Jones
Are my heads chopped off? Which one is?
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Sneako
It doesn't say that. It doesn't say you said you read the Quran twice. It doesn't say that.
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Alex Jones
I can show you a thousand imams reading that. These the Quran. No, there's three things.
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Sneako
Clearly I haven't read it. If you think hadith are in the Quran. So because you don't know about Islam scholarship.
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Alex Jones
Oh, you're saying Islam doesn't say you convert or you pay the tax or your head gets cut off?
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Sneako
Absolutely not.
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Jay Dyer
Okay, let's see. Right here in Quran 9. 29. For those that do not believe in Allah, nor comply with what Allah and his messengers have forbidden, nor embrace the religion until they pay the tax, they willingly submit. They must be fully humbled. And then it has this famous next verse, which is an obvious mistake when they misunderstood orally hearing what the scriptures taught. The Bible. The Jews say Ezra is the son of Allah. Christians say the Messiah is the son of Allah. There are. These are baseless assertions.
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Caller/Listener
Okay.
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Jay Dyer
Jews did not say Ezra is the son of Allah. Christians do say that Jesus is the son of God. But this is some bizarre mistake. And then they have another mistake that we take Jesus and monks and rabbis as lords. I don't know where they got the idea that we think that monks are lords. There's many gods and we worship the monk gods. And that's just one of many passages that will be brought up. So let's hear some more of what Lord Voldemort says to Sneako here.
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Alex Jones
I'm gonna look at Islam. We're gonna suppress soccer. We start saying like this, like that. There's no need and. And just to.
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Jay Dyer
All right, this is. I thought that was the debate. That's not the full debate. These are all just clips of Sneako. Oh, maybe this is the full debate here.
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Alex Jones
Listen, under Islam, you. Where they did it.
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Jay Dyer
Was it just like a two minute debate? I thought they had like a longer discussion. Oh, here's a full one.
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Caller/Listener
Okay.
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Sneako
Watching your work for. It's been like a couple decades. Well, yes, Since I was a kid, I've known about you. Been watching your podcast appearances on Joe Rogan and now you want me to board it from my country. So let's. Let's start with that. You challenged me to a debate. I think it's important to start with some of the claims you made. Is the. Is the audio okay in here, guys? Can you guys hear?
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Alex Jones
I hear you loud and clear, Sneako.
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Sneako
There's no echo. Okay, so you want me deported from America for exercising my First Amendment rights. You're making the face the shock face. This is what you said. You said to port now and then. Elon Musk, the trillionaire African migrant into America who's bringing in tons of H1B visas. You said, yes, he wants me deported as well.
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Alex Jones
Well, to be clear, I wasn't making a shock face. I was enjoying my iced tea right here in Texas. I was gulping it down. No, I did say that. And Elon agreed with me in on that viral post of your viral post. And you know, here's where I stand on that. Obviously I was, you know, saying that more rhetorically because we have separation church and state. United States. I read the Quran twice. It is a battle, man. You'll about to take over the world.
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Sneako
So you don't actually want me deported from America?
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Alex Jones
Hold on. Can I listen? You want to do three minutes?
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Jay Dyer
So first of all, the both of these sides are kind of correct at this point because the classical liberal principles are the very problems in the West. I've been bitching about this for 15, 20 years. So to hear again, well, the only way we're going to beat Islam is with more classical liberalism. Now, the only reason that Islam is having success in the west is classical liberalism, which is itself, as we know now from the Rothschild biographies, a huge technique that they and their big Z buddy interests have pushed because it allowed certain groups to get into power, subversive groups. And then those groups could then allow for and promote the idea of religious Liberty, freedom of the press, all these classical liberal principles which then allowed for the rise of all of these different sects and oligarchs. And I say oligarchs because specifically, if you go back to Plato, even Plato and Socrates noted that when you have democracy, when you have unrestricted license and freedom like that, what tends to happen is you get the rise of a moneyed oligarchical class and they gain power because they appeal to the broadest number of people with the basest, lowest common denominator desires. Thus vice is incentivized in that form of governance because it allows the cunning oligarch, the moneyed oligarch, to gain tremendous amounts of power and control by debasing the population, addicting them to various vices, drugs, etc. And then they become sort of putty in the oligarch's hand. And so democracy, as they said accurately, always tends to fall over into tyranny. It's a dialectical cycle. And it's not accidental that the Freemasonic lodges all throughout Europe in the 1600s, 1700s, 1800s pushed for the overthrow of throne and altar, church and state. And they did the same thing anywhere they went, that Christianity was dominant, whether you're Catholic or Orthodox, the Freemasonic and also Rothschild, eventually power structure push for the overthrow of throne and altar so that we could have dominance of homo economicus. So, and Alex has never told me. I can't talk about it. I just talked about it on the fourth hour the other day. This classical liberalism has got to go. Dude, this isn't 2007 Ron Paul era when we're trying to get a foothold. People's boomer mind matrix is already broken on this stuff. It's time to go full anti classical liberalism. You guys all saw my debate with Tim Pool. Same stuff, three minutes.
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Alex Jones
Because we're debating.
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Sneako
Go ahead.
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Alex Jones
No, no, it's fine. I mean I'll. Here's the deal. Orthodox Islam is expansionist. Orthodox Islam in the Quran promises to take over the world. And we have separation of church and state in this country. And we have people saying every household will be under this. That's not the same as the.
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Jay Dyer
By the way, I did a very interesting hour long interview yesterday with Owen Schroyer and I've known Owen for several years. We don't know each other super close, but we had a pretty lengthy discussion of classical liberalism and whether it's deficient to actually save the west wasn't a debate, just more of a conversational Q A. And it was A good chat. So I'll be posting that soon. But I think you'll notice in that conversation I was kind of trying to maybe edge Owen towards the possibility that classical liberalism itself might be part of the problem. But I think so many people are sort of wedded to the powdered wig man magic dust that they sprayed that they, that they sprinkled on the Constitution when they were writing it and on the founding documents, that it's almost like giving up the Bible if you're a Christian or something. It's like it's a religious commitment to, to these magical powdered wigman documents, you
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Alex Jones
know, New Testament saying every, you know, knee will bow to God when they finally see God. Okay, so my issue is you're jumping around all crazy, doing throat slitting motions, say fu. Basically, you know, I take it as America and saying you will go under this. We're going to take your cities, we're going to dominate you. And I've seen thousands of imams, you know, say all this and if you don't convert, we're allowed to take your women and use them as slaves and you know, all the rest of it.
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Jay Dyer
This is not true, by the way. I felt for this a long time ago myself. I thought before I'd really studied Islam that oh, that's just neocon propaganda. They don't actually say that. No, actually this, the, the Quran says all the above. So what it says is you can smile with your mouth and hate them in your heart so you pretend to be friendly when you're in the minority. It does actually say this, right? And you can go watch where. We've covered this in the past. Sam Shamoon has covered a million times. It actually does say this. It says that if Christians who are people of the Book are willing to pay the Jizya, then you can determine if they're able to live in the society. You saw this under the Ottomans with the ethnarchs. When the Orthodox run of the Ottomans, for example, they let him be, but they couldn't proselytize. Right? That was under the, what was it called? The millet system. We covered that, we mentioned that the other day. So the millet system allowed for the Orthodox, for example, to exist. The patriarchs became their ethnarchs, but they had to pay the jizya tax and they couldn't proselytize and they also couldn't have churches anywhere except where the Sultan let them have them. So the other thing too is that this is also dependent upon the fic as it's called in Islamic ruling, legal ruling. It depends upon the school of Islam and how serious the sultans do or don't take it. So you might have some sultans that don't give a. They just want to sleep with their harem and their. Their boys or whatever. And then you might have others that are a little more serious about it and they decide that because the Quran also says the Trinity is idolatry. So if Christians are idolaters, then they no longer fall under the protection of the people of the book. In that situation, the ruling could be, no, they're actually infidels and thus they must be killed. Because that's the rulings of Islam about infidels. So the protection of the people of the book, quote, unquote, is actually very flexible. And it really depends upon the Islamic akita or school and the fic, which is the legal ruling.
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Alex Jones
Pisses me off when somebody says, I'm going to plant my flag up your ass and we're going to dominate you. And then there you are in America.
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Jay Dyer
The reason, by the way. So Alex is repeating a lot of stuff that's kind of true. I mean, the Quran does say these things. But Muslims, because they're not actually united, they act like they're one. They're not. There's as many Muslim sects as there are Protestant sex. So what Muslims will do is they'll say, well, look, there's a secular Islamic country or a progressive Islamic country like Assad, Syria or whatever, where you're allowed to have, you know, your religion, you can do what you want, blah, blah, blah. That's because there's a lot of different flavors of Islam. Okay, so the problem is though, when you get to the Salafi, Saudi Arabia, you know, the Wahhabi types, those take it a lot more seriously. And then you have the western Israel proxy groups like ISIS and Al Qaeda, etc, those are the most insane. And then you get to places like Afghanistan. The Taliban has the most insane rules ever. Like, if you go to Afghanistan, you can't wear a cross. You can't look Islamic imams and Taliban people in the ally. You can't go out without permission out of your hotel. I mean, it's crazy. So that's what I'm saying is like what you might see in Assad's Syria gave a lot of people the impression of, well, you know, Islam's not that bad. But Assad was an Alawite, so he was a kind of an odd sort of sect adjacent to Shia Islam, adjacent to sort of Neoplatonic stuff. And then you get over to somewhat somewhere like, you know, Saudi Arabia and the rules, the laws are very different, you see. So that variance allows Muslims this false pretense when they're propagandizing to western retards that no, Islam doesn't say this. You're people of the book. Well, it depends on which Islam is being interpreted in the book.
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Alex Jones
You see an American accent saying that, it's even more horrifying to people and it basically starts a war. So I'd love to see a reformation in Islam.
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Jay Dyer
We had in Christianity a reformation in Islam. There's already been reformations in Islam. There have been countless ones. In fact, people don't even know this. Islam is actually in what they consider their dark age. Ever since the fall of the Ottomans, the Muslim world has considered themselves to be in a sleeper state. The sleeper must awaken. So they they're desperately actually trying to propagandize and convert the west we all saw within the last couple years, partly due to a lot of the online debate sphere online Dawa's pretty much died. Now in terms of Sneako, it turns out one of these Muslim dudes, I forget his name, Orthodox Muslim or something, he's always yapping on Twitter.
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Jay Dyer
He messaged me today. He wants me to come on Sneako's channel and to debate him. Now we know what happened the last time I went on Sneako's channel and debated Sneako's go to dude, it didn't go well for them. And that guy Muslim lantern pretty Much has disappeared into obscurity. So that debate seems to have ended his career. Perhaps I haven't heard hide nor, nor hair of him since that. We know the fresh and fit debate that got like 4 million views a couple years ago with me and Shamoon that had a massive blow to online dawa. If you remember there was like 50, 000 comments. All of the comments were like Islam is done, dude. So the Internet actually was devastating to online dawa, but they're still trying to push it and they're doing it through these paid goobertard influencer people. That's what we've been saying for so long. And this is what I was trying to tell Nick Fuentes as well for like the last two or three years. So every, like all of the issues that Nick disagreed with me about, he's now come back around is like admitting my points. So like I've been trying to tell you dog, like all the stuff, whether it was, you know, this or that weirdo, stay away from Sneako. And then they're all, they're gonna be friends then. Turns out Sneako is a good. Yeah, I told you dude. Oh well, defend the Vatican. Well, it turns out the Vatican does seem to be pretty judaized. Yeah, that's all the stuff I've been trying to say, man. If people would just listen instead of getting, you know, reaction minded and just reacting to people instead of listening to what's being argued, I think things would. We might have a little more effectiveness. Not that we're not having effectiveness. I think the right wing is in many ways having a lot of effect, but it's really just limited I think to the Internet sphere. We're not having much effect outside of that.
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Alex Jones
Back when some of the Catholics are trying to force people, you know, to follow what they said or they would burn them at the state. Okay, so Islam needs a reformation. I don't want to be at war with Islam.
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Jay Dyer
But there I always have to correct this idea too because this is just a Protestant line of reasoning. The Inquisition, even according to secular scholars. I think Henry Common is one of these that wrote a book. Another one, they, they at maximum burned like 800 to a few thousand people. And a lot of that was actually not the Papal Inquisition. And you guys know I'm not any fan of the papacy, but this is exaggerated especially by Protestants and goobertard fake apologists. They would make up these stories that the Inquisition burned millions of witches. There weren't millions of witches. There were hardly millions of people to even find covens of witches. There weren't millions of witches in Europe. That's crazy.
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Jay Dyer
And it was actually most of the quote burning and the auto de fe ceremonies were done by Isabella's Inquisition. So it's actually the Spanish Inquisition, which was not run by the papacy that did most, most of that. And most heretics, by the way, or at that time heretics were considered social revolutionaries because they actually were. Most of them were not burned to the stake, they might be in prison, they might be told to stop teaching, they might be exiled, etc. And all of those types of chastisements or punishments actually go back to the patristic period. There was already rulings against these kinds of groups, not under Constantine, but under Theodosius. So Constantine, for example, proclaimed Christianity a legal tolerated religion with the edict of tolerance. But by the time of Theodosius, he actually starts making Christian laws. And then by the time of Saint Justinian, the emperor, we get the code of Justinian, which is very Christian in terms of most of the principles. And Byzantium followed suit. They had pretty strict penalties against open preaching of heresy. Not because, oh, they're just mean and dogmatist. No. If you read, for example, Malcolm Lambert's book Medieval Heresy, he's an Anglican scholar, he wrote a giant book that we covered many years ago about the history of medieval sects and heretics. At that time, they were also political revolutionaries. For example, in France, the. I just went blank on that cult group, the medieval Gnostics in France, the crazy ones, they took over like six castles in France. So they were like, they were like setting up like armaments and fortifying themselves. Starts with a C. I'm going blank on this. The not all Beginsians, not the Cathars. Excuse me, the Cathari eventually took like six castles in medieval France. So medieval kings, whether you think they're good or bad, at least they correctly understood that heresies weren't just ideas, they were also potential political revolutions.
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Alex Jones
50 plus Islamic countries, most of them are 99 Muslim. There's only a few Muslim countries where Christians can live in peace. Islam is expansionist. That's why I'm against Israel. It's expansionist. It is elitist. It's.
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Jay Dyer
See this whole idea that Protestantism has
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Jay Dyer
and religion should be, quote, separate from the state, ends up in divorce from the state. And then you get the idea that we'll have your private religion, but the state will be, quote, secular. And as I said to Owen in our discussion, the problem with that is that what grounds the secular laws and the secular ethics is groundless. And so it ends up being social contract, consent of the people. If your ethics and your civic legal structure is then based on social contract or the will of the people, then the will of the people can take it all away. Duh, right? I mean, what happens when the majority of the people or the representative, you know, the representatives, if it's not a democracy, it's a. If it's a republic? Well, what happens when they start to vote to take away all those rights? Well, you don't have them anymore because they come from the bottom up. This is why you can't have a neutral state. There's no such thing as neutrality in the secular state sphere. Even though modern, enlightenment, progressive everything is built on this idea of neutrality in the civics here, Greater Israel.
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Alex Jones
It sees everybody else as subhuman, at least Ben Gavir in leadership of Israel. And so I am opposed to Israel, by the way.
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Jay Dyer
I'm not advocating for Sneako. Sneako is an absolute goober. I'm just saying that this is always a flaw in the Protestant approach to debating Islam.
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Alex Jones
Expansionist supremacist activities. I'm against Islam's expansionist supremacist activities and I'm against the chicom expansionist activities. I'm against.
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Jay Dyer
Well, the problem, Alex, is that every power structure and every power group
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Alex Jones
has
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Jay Dyer
to in some way be either defensive or in some way expansive. So there is an empire, whether we like it or not. I heard Fuentes basically saying this exact same thing. I was saying, so I'm not advocating for the pushing of Americanism everywhere, but I'm saying it's not accidental that if you go back into Christian history, it's the Byzantine Empire, it's the Holy Roman Empire, it's the Russian Empire. Right. The Christian state has to of necessity also have some degree of universality and that's what provides ultimately a strength for the civilization. That's why Byzantium is the longest, most successful civilization in world history. And then it falls, of course, as a result of not just Islam but also principles like usury, they debased their money, etc. All of those things contributed to the fall of Byzantium.
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Alex Jones
Left's pedophilic, Hollywood, expansionist dominance, imperial operations. I don't want America to be imperial. I've been against all these expansionist wars. Even though I didn't like Maduro, I said, I think we'll probably just put Communist back in. Now they want to overthrow Cuba and put the communist back in. So I'm against all of that. I'm against imperialism, not for some leftist angle, but from George Washington's angle of not being involved in foreign entanglements. So that's where I stand.
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Jay Dyer
I agree with that. As long it's like. But I don't want to be involved in David Rockefeller or Lord Rothchild's or BB Nutan Yahoo's foreign entanglements. Right. There's going to be foreign entanglements probably. I don't think you can avoid that. I don't, I don't want it to be for the Fortune 500. But again, like, it's just such a naive enlightenment presupposition to think that, oh well, we, we just will stay apart from the rest of the world. For example, how are you going to do that when Islam is expanding into your country? I'm not trying to be pro neocon and say, oh, we gotta have, you know, preemptive strike. So I don't think any of that's necessary because a lot of these countries, they wouldn't even be able to do anything without Western aid and support. So number one, we could just cut off all the money to these insane countries. And that includes the Islamic countries, includes Iran. It's like billions of dollars every year to Iran as well.
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Alex Jones
Done all this. And when somebody declares, we're coming for you and we're going to dominate you, I said to Port Piers Morgan back in 2013, it became an actual story whenever he said, we're going to take your guns. And I said, if you do 1776, we'll commence again. So anybody trying to take my guns, anybody saying I'm going to convert to Islam in all your homes, anybody telling me that they're going to stick their flag up my ass, I'm going to tell them, if you want to fight, you better believe you got one. Go ahead.
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Sneako
All right. You said a lot. I mean, what flag? The difference between Israel as an expansion of state is that that's a actual country. I have allegiance to America. This is my country. Said many things. And let's stick to this original claim. You said deport. Now where am I going to go if I be deported?
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Alex Jones
Well, I mean, there's 50 plus Muslim countries you can go to. Iran you go to.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, like why doesn't he go to an Islamic country? Well, that's because they have a mandate to engage in jihad and in, in Islamic theology and in the Quran. This is another word game they play. And by the way, they do have a principle of taqiyah that they can deceive people that are against Islam.
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Caller/Listener
Right.
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Jay Dyer
That's part of the principle. So the reason that he can't and doesn't want to just go to an Islamic country is not just, well, obviously there are a lot of. But also because he has a mandate to engage in jihad, which is, it's like three tiered, right? There's the jihad in your personal life, there's a. And then there's like the material, actual jihad. But. And they'll say stuff like, well, but that's only in like extreme cases. That's not true, Daniel.
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Alex Jones
You could go to Egypt, you go to Afghanistan, you go to any of those, you could go to Pakistan. You know, they're marrying nine year olds. You could, you could marriage here in America.
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Sneako
But how would I be deported to
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Alex Jones
a country that you could go to Medina. You go to Medina and 30 black.
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Sneako
Right. But that's not deportation, that's immigration. Like Elon Musk coming over here. How would I be deported to a country that I'm not from? I'm born, I was born here in New York City.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, well, let's keep in mind that Sneako is a total fake because he literally changes with the wind. Whatever the trend is, he's that. And that's why I said a long time ago that he's bad news. I'll show you, for example, if you find old clips, he was groomed originally when he was like teenager, like 16, 17. And when he was first streaming, he was like all about maga. Right? So they chose him as like a brown MAGA dude. And here he is even in when Trump won. Oh, yeah, I'm all about Trump. Here he is celebrating, cheering when Trump won the election. Here he is next, standing next to Trump, making that stupid Andrew Tate pose where he does the. The Mudra where you're trying to manifest your just stupid like this, right? This guy's a retard, man. And I've said a whole time he's a retard. Like, I've said it day one, like it's not obvious. And so he went from early MAGA dude, then he was a big red pill dude. And then if you remember, Rolo Tomasi did a bunch of streams critiquing his red pill face. So he was that for a while. Then he went with Islam because he was hanging out with the Tates. So he's literally just whatever the trend is.
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Alex Jones
Sneako, my. My point was rhetorical, saying that we need to deport that ideology and we need to.
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Sneako
You don't. Don't support me. You want to deport Islam.
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Jay Dyer
Well, actually, Sneako has a point here, because this would undermine the classical liberal ethos, which is exactly what I've been saying, because it ends up being a situation where it's not. You can't just separate your worldview into compartments. If your worldview is classical liberalism, then that's not compatible with traditional Christianity, because traditional Christianity also has a doctrine of the state. It speaks to the state. And that's why in classical Byzantine or European civilization, when it was, quote, Christian, they had rules against public heretical teaching, not just because of being dogmatic, mean people, but because of subversion. You can't let a zillion infinity Muslims into the country and not think that it's going to subvert the country. You can't let a zillion apac dollars into the country and not think it's going to subvert the country. That's precisely why. And that shows you that classical liberalism is absolutely impotent to actually fend off those things.
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Alex Jones
What I'm saying is, is that jihad and dominance of our culture needs to be opposed at every level. I obviously didn't mean literally put you in a cannon like a clown and shoot you, you know, over to a Muslim country. And I said I meant it as an allegory. You also said that I was trying to get vigilantes to kill you. I said my snake or black widow analogy was not talking about violence. But why? I have a phobia of pouring gasoline on myself and lighting myself on fire or jumping off a 5,000foot cliff or playing with black widows in my hand or playing with rattlesnakes. You have those phobias because it's a natural thing of something your brain recognizes.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah. So again, imagine, and I'm not saying China is a good country, but imagine all the other countries. Do you think China would allow zillions of Muslims to be imported? Would they allow zillions of evangelicals to be imported?
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Caller/Listener
No.
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Jay Dyer
Is it just because they're atheist? Well, that might be part of it, but it's also because they know that it would significantly subvert the existing political order. So regardless of whether the political order is good or bad, it's in the interest of the political order to not have massive amounts of foreign people suddenly be there, because it's obviously demographic warfare. And again, classical liberalism is impotent to actually fight this. Let's go to a couple calls here.
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Caller/Listener
Jake.
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Jay Dyer
What's up? Jake, you want to unmute? Jake, you have to unmute, dude. Last chance. Come on now. We've been doing. Hello. Y' all don't know how to work Twitter spaces. Come on, now. What's up, man? Speak. They were almost like a decade into Twitter spaces, y'. All. Jake Sloan. What's up, Jake?
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Caller/Listener
Speak.
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Jay Dyer
Hello. Maybe Twitter is not working right, Jake?
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Sneako
Rich.
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Jay Dyer
I'm gonna try again. Then we'll go to Joe. Go ahead, Joe. What's up, man?
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Caller/Listener
Hello.
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Jay Dyer
Yo, what's up?
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Caller/Listener
Hey, what's up, Jay?
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Jay Dyer
What's on your mind?
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Caller/Listener
Well, I had a theological question. A huge fan, by the way. I started. Sorry. I asked my son.
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Jay Dyer
He's a fan, too. I could tell.
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Caller/Listener
Yeah, he is. He. I. I just started my transition to. I. I was dying.
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Jay Dyer
Are you a bipoc queen now? You getting transitioned?
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Caller/Listener
Yes. So when I was born, they said I was a white male, and I felt alone and empty. And then I started watching your stuff, and I'm letting my inner diva out. It's just very special. But so I looked it up. I couldn't really find Any of your videos on it. But I was curious. Besides, like, preparing for, like, the Messiah and everything.
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Alex Jones
We.
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Caller/Listener
We started our classes in April, so we're in the middle. My wife and I are in the middle of our catechumen classes.
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Caller/Listener
I was reformed before, and I had ended up watching your debate with what's his face? Redeemed Zoomer. That's kind of what turned me on to your videos. But your perspective, what's. What was kind of the role and the purpose of the, like, whole Old Testament, like, temple system
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Jay Dyer
to prepare Christ to prepare for the liturgical worship that we have in the Orthodox Church.
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Caller/Listener
So when they were making, like, the atonements and the offerings, that was like, what's the.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, so Jesus is the finality of all of that. Right. So he's the finality of the atonement by atoning for us on the cross.
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Caller/Listener
Okay, so it was pretty much all just preparation.
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Jay Dyer
Yes, it's. It's typological. They're all typology that's fulfilled in the Messiah and his church and his church's worship and sacraments. So if you watch Christian Worship in the Old Testament, this documentary that Orthodox Jihada made, I mean, it's a mini documentary. Have you watched that?
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Caller/Listener
I'll write that down.
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Jay Dyer
Christian Worship in the Old Testament.
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Caller/Listener
Okay. The archaeologist.
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Jay Dyer
It's this video right here. It's got103,000 views. My buddy Lewis made it. So that's what you want to watch because it goes through all of this.
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Caller/Listener
Sweet.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah.
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Caller/Listener
Okay, awesome. Well, I'm not gonna keep you too long, but it was sweet talking to you.
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Jay Dyer
Absolutely, man.
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Caller/Listener
Thank you.
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Jay Dyer
Appreciate the questions, and good luck in your transition. Prestia, what's up? Yeah, I think one people that. Or one thing that a lot of people don't understand about our position on this is that a lot of Protestants, for example, they'll understand that the Old Testament worship with the temple and the sacrifices and all that. They'll understand that it's a future typological thing. And they'll just say, yeah, bro, that was Jesus. And it's like, yeah, that's true. But the temple also has other things that it refers to that it fulfills. So, for example, the washings, the Levitical washings in the Old Testament, those are types of baptism. The show bread in the temple, It's a type of the Eucharist. Jesus's death on the cross is the fulfillment of the day of atonement, where the high priest is sprinkling the blood on the mercy seat. Of the Ark of the Covenant. So all of those things are fulfilled, but also the temple itself becomes a mini type, a pattern of the prototype, which is the Orthodox temple. And you'll notice even Orthodox churches are kind of laid out in that loose structure that you see. So it's a type fulfillment relation, not just to Jesus himself, but also to the sacraments and to the church. Presto.
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Caller/Listener
What's up?
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Jay Dyer
Hey, Jay, it's me, Nicholas Cage.
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Caller/Listener
How's it going?
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Jay Dyer
Good, dude. Glad to finally talk to you.
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Caller/Listener
Yeah, of course.
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Jay Dyer
I was just taking a break from a movie and I just wanted to
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Caller/Listener
call in and concur that really, the
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Jay Dyer
west, and especially Americans are just so cucked by the Founding Fathers ideals.
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Caller/Listener
And I just wanted to concur with you.
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Jay Dyer
Well, thank you, Nick. I'm glad to hear that you're based deep down your. Nick Cage. There, you heard it. Secretly based. Benny. What's up, dude? Benny. Then we're gonna go back to Alex debating Sneako. Benny, what's up? I'm you. Come on, dude.
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Caller/Listener
Oh, can you hear me? Yep. Dude. All right. Kind of a beginner question.
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Jay Dyer
Okay, sure.
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Caller/Listener
I've heard you talk about how Paul Washer gave you the blackout answer.
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Caller/Listener
And I'm wondering, you know, I've heard Protestants talk about how everything went south once Constantine, like, made Christianity tolerable.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, this is like a Baptist and a Baptist Seven Day Adventist type of argument.
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Caller/Listener
How does somebody like Paul Washer, like, how do Protestants reconcile the Apostolic Fathers? Like, I just read the Epistle of. Of. Of Clement.
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Jay Dyer
Right, yeah, no, I brought. I actually brought that up to Paul Washer. And what he said about it was that he was surprised to see the apostasy being that early. That was his answer.
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Caller/Listener
Wow.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah.
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Caller/Listener
Like within the first hundred years.
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Jay Dyer
Yep.
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Caller/Listener
And is that what you've experienced, like, across the board with, like, is that how people try to reconcile? They literally say that it was blacked out right away.
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Jay Dyer
Well, they won't go all that way. They'll just say something like, already with the Apostolic. Post Apostolic Fathers, the apostasy was beginning, but we don't know that everybody in that period was apostate. So they'll just kind of make an argument from silence.
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Caller/Listener
Okay.
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Jay Dyer
Because, I mean, I just read.
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Caller/Listener
I couldn't get my hands on the Jack Sparks that was like 275 or something on.
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Jay Dyer
On ebay, On.
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Caller/Listener
On Amazon.
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Jay Dyer
On. What. What is that?
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Caller/Listener
The Jack Sparks edition of the Apostolic Fathers. I've seen, like. I've seen priests use that.
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Jay Dyer
Oh, I don't. I don't have that one. I have a different one.
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Caller/Listener
Okay. So I just got like the, you know, the generic, like Penguin.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, yeah. Well, you can also. You can also read it on New Advent, too.
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Caller/Listener
But.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah.
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Caller/Listener
Oh, okay.
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Jay Dyer
There's not. It's not all. There's not a lot. There's. It's like a few hundred pages.
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Caller/Listener
Yeah. But I mean, just. Even in. Just that, I was, like, totally blown away. Like, the. With apostolic succession, with the Eucharist, so many things. Like, I just didn't understand. I. I get how somebody could say, okay, once Constantine came in and once it became the official religion of the Roman, you know, Empire, there was a change. But I just don't understand how anyone.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, but this is. Again, this is only an argument that's made by Anabaptists, some Southern Baptists, Fundamentalist Baptists, and Seven Day Adventists. Most. Most people outside of that, they don't make this argument because it's so stupid. It's a really dumb argument.
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Caller/Listener
So, like, what would, like. I don't know, what would like some. Some Protestant luminary like Tim Keller. I know he's not around anymore. Like, you know, somebody big in the Protestant world. If you ask them about the Apostolic Fathers, what would they say about that?
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Jay Dyer
Well, most Protestants try to say we're in. We're in line with those guys. So, again, yeah, it's just a minority of the radical Reformation type people who actually say that Constantine, or earlier than that was a blackout. So most Protestants, huh?
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Caller/Listener
Sorry, Sorry. Well, like, when Ignatius says that, like, the bishop is the mind of. Of Christ.
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Sneako
Yeah.
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Jay Dyer
Well, Anglicans will say, yeah, we have bishops, so we don't have a problem with that.
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Caller/Listener
Okay, okay. But, like, evangelicals are just completely just.
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Jay Dyer
They'll just. They'll say something like, well, bishops are just priests. They're the same thing.
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Caller/Listener
Okay, all right.
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Jay Dyer
And then they'll. They'll reinterpret the real presence to say, oh, that's just saying a spiritual presence. That's not saying the real presence. So they just do a bunch of coping. The copy that I read was the Cyril Richardson translation, Early Christian Fathers and it has all the post apostolic stuff in it. But yeah, great questions. John, do you want to say something before we go back to Sneako?
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Caller/Listener
I was just gonna say that classical liberalism, powdered wig man philosophy doesn't, isn't grounded in anything. So it's not going to be able to be something that you could go back to to refer to anything because it's just grounded in the words on the parchment paper.
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Jay Dyer
Exactly.
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Caller/Listener
And so another interesting aspect of it is that Thomas Jefferson actually owned a copy of the Quran and he liked Islam. So the founding fathers were into this kind of like, you know, oh, mystical, archaic. Right. Men in, in the east, you know, they're, they have a lot of knowledge because they're, you know, they're exotic. It's like the appeal to the exotic kind of thing.
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Jay Dyer
I'm glad you brought that up, John, because when we went to the temple, the Masonic Temple in D.C. not the 33rd Temple, but the Masonic, the giant monument in Alexandria and we took a tour of it, I showed you guys, they have a giant mural of Mecca in the D.C. masonic monument. And we asked the tour guide who was like a, I don't know, 32nd degree Mason historian or whatever, we're like, what is that in there? It's like, oh well we appreciate the, like John said, the sort of mystical, you know, super religion, that's the real ancient religion that Masonry expresses. Right. So they have this kind of alternate version of their, their idea of what the. It's the Masonic Catholic Church versus the Orthodox Catholic Church. They think that their thing is the real ancient true religion and the other religions kind of like perennialists. It's not identical to perennialism, but it's the same idea that the world religions just wear the mask of Masonry's true
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Caller/Listener
teaching, Freemasonry, which this used to confuse me back in the day because there, there's all those, you know, Freemason books that you could get at the Barnes and Noble back in the day. The easily accessible stuff where they'll just insert themselves into every time period and every religion.
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Jay Dyer
Yes.
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Caller/Listener
And then, you know, for people who are genuinely trying to find out truth but were mistaken in certain regards, like me, where you're reading it and you're going like, oh, the Freemasons have just been around since Egypt. Right. Because they've inserted themselves into every aspect of history and religion. At some point where that leads people that they'll hand wave any sort of thing having to do with any religion, regardless, we'll just say, oh, it's all Freemasonry. Freemasons run all of those things.
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Alex Jones
Yeah.
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Jay Dyer
They say Thomas Aquinas was a mason. They say Jesus was initiated into the secret teachings, all of that.
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Alex Jones
Right? Yeah.
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Caller/Listener
Carpet Jesus was a carpenter. But back then, carpenter meant Freemason.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah. Right.
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Caller/Listener
So, yeah, yeah. And. But. But then what they. What that does is in light of classical liberalism, it actually legitimizes any religion that even would be counter to some aspects of the creation of the country, but you wouldn't be able to negate it because we accept all religions, even if the religion itself is counter to the founding of the country, because the ideals of the country are built on aspects of freemasonry and classical liberalism.
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Jay Dyer
Exactly, exactly. I'm trying to see if I can find a picture. Here it is right here. This is it. So when you go inside the Masonic monument, it's a giant thing. This is not some small roadshow side thing. There's a huge. It looks like a giant Mormon temple. When you go inside, the first thing in the first room to the right is a giant mural of Mecca. See that right there? So they're over here trying to argue. Alex is arguing like, oh, no, American. The American ethos is against Islam. Well, I mean, classical liberalism might be opposed in some aspects to some aspects of Islam, but the Masonic ideology is not opposed to Islam at all.
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Sneako
You're scared of me.
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Alex Jones
I am.
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Caller/Listener
I think they. I think they still have Thomas Jefferson's Quran.
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Jay Dyer
Interesting. Yeah, yeah, I'm glad you mentioned that because I forgot about their appreciation for Islam.
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Caller/Listener
Yeah, I think. I think, like at Monticello or something, they probably, like, have his Quran. He used to have like one. One by his bedside or something. I'm not. I'm not making that up.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, it sounds right.
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Alex Jones
Absolutely scared of giant hordes of third world populations that keep women as slaves
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Sneako
and said, you want to deport him? Now you're scared of me.
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Alex Jones
Individually, I. I am Scared of being a cuck and laying down to people that declare their superiority and their supremacy over me. And you are following orthodox Islam and, and, and, and are openly announcing we will dominate you, we will control you. So you follow the Quran.
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Sneako
You believe the clip I said let's be, let's be specific about what I said.
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Alex Jones
Chopped off. Which way is it? Is it said the Quran, I pay the tax, I convert to Islam or my head's chopped off?
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Sneako
Which one is it doesn't say that. It doesn't say you said you read the Quran twice.
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Caller/Listener
It doesn't.
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Jay Dyer
Oh, it does say that. Alex is actually correct about this. Sneo is lying.
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Alex Jones
I can show you a thousand imams reading the dees of the Quran. No, there's three things are not in the Quran.
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Sneako
You clearly haven't read it if you think hadiths are in the Quran. So because you don't know about Islam,
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Alex Jones
let's talk about scholars. You're saying Islam.
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Jay Dyer
So Sneo was being dishonest there and it might have been that he misheard because Alex was talking fast. Alex knows because I've heard him say it a bunch that hadiths are not in the Quran. Hadiths are the traditions and they're graded according to, you know, strong and weak. And the hadiths are even funnier than the Quran, even the strong ones, because they got all kinds of just crazy, stupid shit. And the best way to refute Islam outside of like 9 year old brides is the hadiths because you have, for example, Satan farting to distract you from your prayers. So again, I don't know, how do demons have like, you know, gut biome that gets up? I don't know. But let's look at a couple of the Quran texts we saw, for example, 9, 29 and 30 that talk about you must submit to the jizya. Let's see, I've got a bunch of them here. So let's see. 9, 123. I'll make this quick. 9123 says, oh, disbelievers. Excuse me, oh, believers, fight the disbelievers around you and let them find firmness in you. Thus Allah is with those that are mindful of him. So notice right there if the ruling ends up being that you're a disbeliever. And remember, being a trinitarian means that you are an idolater. So you could very easily fall into not being protected. As I quote people of the book, they can right there absolutely fight with you. So let's see, let's do. 5:33. The penalty for those who wage war against Allah and his messenger or spread mischief in the land is death, crucifixion, cutting off hands, exile from the land. The penalty is a disgrace for them and they will suffer tremendous punishment in the hereafter. So again, this is. There's like 10 more of these just in the Quran. This is not weak hadiths. This is straight up Quran. All right, let's go to 8:12. Remember, O Prophet, when the Lord revealed to the angels, I am with you. Make the believers stand firm. I will cast horror into the hearts of the disbelievers. Strike their necks and strike at their fingertips. So there you have, if you are following under the ruling of being a quote, disbeliever, which could easily be a trinitarian or a believer in the deity of Christ. This is why historically Islam has operated this way. Now they don't always do it because they don't have always have the political power to do so. Let's see. 2, 2, 5, 6.
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Caller/Listener
I think.
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Jay Dyer
Let there be no compulsion in religion. So notice that, by the way, the crime contradicts itself all the time. Because here it says, I'll let there be no compulsion. But then it says, whoever renounces the false gods, you are protected. But notice the compulsion is only for those that renounce the false gods. So you have to renounce the Trinity, the incarnation, whatever, or else you fall under this ban, conceivably. And again, the fact that Islam doesn't always apply this, it doesn't mean that Islam doesn't actually say this or teach this. Let's see, 2, 191. Kill them whenever you come upon them. Drive them out of the places where you found them. Persecution is far worse than killing. Do not fight them, however, at the mosque, unless they attack you there. If they do, then fight them. This is the reward of the disbelievers. So again, it's a. This is an Arab warlord religion. This is not the one true religion. Nothing in this religion matches up to what came before. We all heard the Islamic dilemma a million times over. There's multiple more texts, but you get the idea. So let's go back to this.
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Alex Jones
Does it say you convert or you pay the tax or your head gets cut off?
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Sneako
Absolutely not. Absolutely not.
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Jay Dyer
So let's talk about what I you notice right there. Sneako is lying because many of these passages do say that. So Alex is not incorrect. But Alex and I think he might later on bring up the actual text. But notice that Sneako is not actually going to any of the texts. Alex should have listed a bunch of texts at this point or quoted some of them. That would have been, I think, a better rhetorical technique.
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Alex Jones
Everybody take clips of this and then show 15 saying it. And then show the Hadith and show the Quran.
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Sneako
Alex, maybe you've seen a lot of Facebook posts and it seems like you're getting a lot of boomer propaganda. Let's. Let's be specific about what I. What did I say? Because you just made up a bunch of things I didn't say. You said, I'm coming to.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, it's not boomer propaganda. Notice Sneako never actually wants to go into the Islamic text. This is the same guy last year who said that the Council of Nicaea put the 13 Gospels into the Bible or so. Whatever. Stupid. He said he has no idea what he's talking about.
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Sneako
The flag up your butt. I'm here to dominate. I didn't say any of that. What did I say? You said.
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Alex Jones
You said, we're going to take over every house, take over the cities.
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Sneako
I said in Christian language, something similar. I don't know what type of Christianity you are. Every knee will bow, every tongue confess. I said, inshallah, the whole world becomes Muslim. I believe I have the truth. I want goodness for the world. I want you to have the truth. Christians want other people to become Christian too. Why should I hide? Why should I act like I don't want goodness for other people? Of course, Inshallah. Do you know what this means?
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, but Christians don't believe that you can engage in deception against those who are outside the religion or that you gain political power by lying and pretending to be friendly. And Christians don't believe that you have a right to chop the heads off of the disbelievers. There would only be certain situations in a Christian state where there could be, as history of the church has shown, rulings like this.
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Sneako
If, you know, you read the Quran, what is inshallah? God willing? So it's not up to me. It's not up to any force. It's not up to anybody forcing you to see here.
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Jay Dyer
He's being deceptive because just because it says Allah wills it, he's acting like that's just what Allah determines. It's not about me. No, Allah wills it and wills his people to engage in this kind of warfare. So he's being dishonest, converting you with
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Sneako
the sword and threatening.
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Alex Jones
Oh, yeah. Islam never does that. Hey, Muslims always about the Crusades were the Crusades, a response to 700 years of his Muslim invasion? Did the Muslims take Spain and put over 2 million women into slavery?
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Sneako
Well, if you want to talk about Christian expansion, we can too, but in the Quran.
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Jay Dyer
Now, wait a minute. So Sneako just deflected away from the question which was a challenge about whether Islam has this principle. And then Sneako did a two quoque way to say, well, Christians have expansionist principles. Well, that's. That's not the point. Even if we do, you haven't shown that that's inconsistent. Maybe it is, but you haven't shown that yet. Furthermore, the challenge was because you said none of that was true about Islam. And then Alex gave two examples in history and Sneako is like, well, but you guys did it too. Well then. So now you're admitting that you do have expansionist positions, which refutes your claim two seconds ago that you don't says
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Sneako
that you don't force anybody to convert. People willingly accept Islam. Nobody is trying to spread it by the sword. I want people to.
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Jay Dyer
No, that's totally not true. And there have been countless forced conversions of Islam in history. So Sneako's just straight lying right here.
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Sneako
Hear the truth and accept it. That's why I say, inshallah, pay the
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Alex Jones
tax or have your head cut off. Convert.
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Sneako
You don't know about Islam, so you might just. You should avoid.
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Jay Dyer
By the way, Muslims do this all the time where they act like because you get some minuscule point wrong or you mispronounce an Arabic term, oh, he does not know Islam. He doesn't know about Islam. Well, even if I didn't know about Islam, that would have nothing to do with whether the argument I just made was true or false. Even if I mispronounced an Arabic term, that wouldn't have anything to do with whether the argument is true or false. So these are all like just smoke and mirror deflections. But Muslims are always doing this because Muslims have no clue about fallacies. We've been debating Muslims for 10 years. They're the dumbest people on the Internet. They have no idea. Like, so what if it's a fallacy? You mean you saw. Remember when we did the call in where we had six hours of Muslims calling in and the whole experiment was to just see if we could get one of them to restate the argument? And it was literally the breakfast thing, Right? How would you feel if you hadn't had breakfast? But I had breakfast. But I had breakfast. Yeah, but I know you don't believe the Islamic dilemma. Argument, but could you just at least restate it? And not one of them within six hours could even restate an argument. So. These are very slow people.
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Alex Jones
I'm hoping people don't know. I do know. You didn't think I knew what inshallah meant. I know what all that means.
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Sneako
Yeah, but you said that. I'm trying to force it and stick a flag up your butt. I didn't say any of this stuff.
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Alex Jones
Dude, you were going fuck you to the camera. You were sitting.
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Sneako
You want to know why I said this?
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Alex Jones
Whose throat you gonna slit? You're like, you. We're taking over.
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Sneako
I didn't say that.
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Alex Jones
Like, like what the Muslim invaders.
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Sneako
We're taking over.
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Alex Jones
Zodiac Boats with Sorrows.
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Sneako
What's the Muslim population in America?
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- [69:40]
Alex Jones
And then you got the, you know, 201 Muslims raping and stabbing and.
- [69:45]
Jay Dyer
All right, well let's play the actual clip to see what Sneako actually was saying in that clip that got everybody saying he needs to be deported by the way. Again, I. I think that if you. I don't give a. About all this like legalities about birth, citizenship, all that kind of stuff. I'm not saying I don't believe in citizenship. I'm just saying like, well, I mean if we're going to have a republic, then make a new law that says you can't be a subversive against the western countries ideas. So if we're gonna. If we're gonna have bottom up, well we could just pass a law from the bottom up that says we don't want Muslims. So how's that? So here's what Sneo actually said.
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Alex Jones
This is the.
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Jay Dyer
There he said it. You're crying because we're victorious. Hahaha. You. That's what he said right there.
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Alex Jones
The Islamic Republic of New Yorkistan. Islam will be in every household.
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Caller/Listener
Inshallah.
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Alex Jones
The whole world is Muslim. Welcome to Mamdani's New York.
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Jay Dyer
Now how is this given that Mamdani is a complete Fabian socialist puppet goober, fake. Who was the day before marching with a bunch of trans goblins.
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Sneako
You see this city? You see how it looks?
- [71:13]
Alex Jones
And show all your city looks just like this too.
- [71:16]
Jay Dyer
See, he's saying, we're gonna take over. This is what's coming for all of your cities. And he's. He clearly did say, you murdering people
- [71:25]
Alex Jones
all over Europe and running over people.
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Sneako
Even according to Tommy Robinson on the Epstein list, the majority of palest in the UK are white Christians. It's not even the fact.
- [71:33]
Alex Jones
There are no doubt they're a bunch of. In the uk.
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Sneako
Yeah.
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Alex Jones
And there's no doubt that they.
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Sneako
According to Tommy Robinson, it's predominantly white.
- [71:39]
Jay Dyer
So he's citing British fake Anglican pseudo Christians because they're a bunch of butt buddies. Oh, that's proof that Christians are a bunch of, quote, Skittles people.
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Caller/Listener
Dude.
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Jay Dyer
Everybody knows that. All these Muslim dudes are. A bunch of them are Skittles on the down low. And this is coming from a dude who admittedly experimented to see if he was Skittles. And then it came. Didn't it come out? He had like Skittles pictures that he was doing Skittles videos or. I didn't look into it, but there was a image that popped up of him wearing. I don't know if it was a dress or what it was. Oh, that was before his love. That was before Islam. That was before. Yeah, you guys are as dumb as the people that think that Nala Ray is a Christian.
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Caller/Listener
Christian.
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Jay Dyer
Those are grifters, dude.
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Alex Jones
Little girls have to put them in dog cages.
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Sneako
Okay, before we get all heated, let's talk about what I said. Okay. We don't. There's a lot of things and you're spreading a lot of it. Seems like you don't really know about Islam. What I said was God, that's a throwaway line.
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Alex Jones
That's just saying, oh, it looks like you don't know. You're like, what do you. What does inshallah mean? You sit there and. What we're going to do with this is sneako, is we're going to take what you said. We're going to show the Quran. We're going to show the Hadith. We're going to show.
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Sneako
Yeah.
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Jay Dyer
I don't take Andrew Tate to be the most. Most reliable witness. But you guys remember he did say,
- [72:55]
Alex Jones
seagull will try to sleep with me. Seagull trying to sleep with me. He was like, oh, I do stuff. I'm like, bro, I'm not into that.
- [73:02]
Jay Dyer
Right. So even his buddies are all basically saying, now this dude's weird.
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Alex Jones
The imam.
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Sneako
Absolutely. Islamic TV read the Quran.
- [73:12]
Jay Dyer
Well, you guys saw we just read a bunch of the Quran.
- [73:15]
Alex Jones
You convert, you pay the tax, or we cut your head off.
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Sneako
Okay, sure. There's two things here. So you're afraid of an Islamic takeover of America, right? And you're saying the thing I said F you. Do you know that I was banned from Australia? The game that I was at? You said this was in a law rally. This was a World cup game. Egypt was playing Australia. Egypt beat Australia. I'm happy.
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Jay Dyer
So what? Well, what does that have to do with. Oh, so it wasn't an Islamic rally. It was a World cup game. Well, it might as well have been Islamic rally because you're celebrating with all the, like, all the Islam bros. Australia banned me.
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Sneako
Do you want to know why, Alex? Similar things that happened to you. Attacks. Australia banned me. They said I was too anti Semitic and I was too critical of Israel. They listed a bunch of reasons in an email saying that I criticize and that I'm anti Semitic, and they revoke my visa. So when Egypt beat Australia, I'm like, oh, no. Oh, no. It's too bad. Because the government applied pressure. The news was all upset, and I have a personal vendetta with that. That's what that was about. I wasn't here trying to threaten you if you were scared. That wasn't my intention. I wasn't trying to scare you. Second, if you think there's an Islamic takeover America, what is the majority of the immigration coming in? Because you spent your career talking about globalism. What's the percentage? And where is the majority of the immigration in America coming from? Do you know, Alex?
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Alex Jones
Coming from? Let me tell you. It's coming from Latin America, and then it is coming from Asia. It's coming from Africa. It's coming from the Middle East. It's coming from India.
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Sneako
The majority is coming from India, from China, and from the southern Mexican border.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah. But Saudi Arabia alone in the last few decades has put multiple billions of dollars into building Islamic centers and mosques all throughout the country. I'm from Tennessee. In the 90s, there were no mosques that I recall. Or if there was one, it was tiny in Nashville. Now we have all of that. So the idea that, oh, well, because the number one people group isn't Muslim, that there's not a danger of Islam to the west is retarded. There's multiple dangers to the West. The demographic warfare is not only about Islam. It's about all of these people groups. But a huge monetary side of this is the push for Islam. Look at what's happening in Texas. They're trying to create basically entire Islamic cities in Texas.
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Sneako
India is predominantly Hindu, China is predominantly atheist, and Mexico predominantly Catholic. So if you're afraid of immigration and you want to protect your demographic than the Catholic invasion coming in from Mexico, that should be your concern. Muslims make up 1.3% of the American population. There's no takeover.
- [75:39]
Jay Dyer
Nobody's here trying to question there's no takeover. You were just saying there will be a takeover. You were just cheering it on, saying we're going to be in every household in America. And then he's like, there is no takeover. I mean, this guy's just a total liar.
- [75:52]
Alex Jones
Convert to Catholicism. You know, India was three times the size it is a thousand years ago, and it was Buddhist and Hindu. Now the biggest subgroup is if you
- [75:59]
Jay Dyer
look at London and I've been to London, so Jamie went to London in like 2000, 2003 or 4. She's been a few times. There weren't Muslims everywhere. When you go to London now, I went In 2019, all you see is burkas everywhere. Dude, it's crazy.
- [76:18]
Alex Jones
And you got cashmere. And all those areas of Pakistan used to be India. The Muslims take over everywhere they end up. The Quran is a battle manual.
- [76:27]
Jay Dyer
Yeah. Again, it specifically tells them to take over and it gives them a battle plan to do it. It's not all immediate warfare. It says if you're in the minority, you don't do that. You wait until you are the majority.
- [76:40]
Alex Jones
How to take over towns, get violent, run everybody out, take over the next town.
- [76:44]
Sneako
But you deny you're avoiding the real threat. Is there a real threat of Islam?
- [76:47]
Alex Jones
I'm asking you again, you didn't answer my question. I answered yours.
- [76:50]
Jay Dyer
Well, this is a, again, spacious line of argumentation because just because Islam at this moment isn't the immed numbers threat in terms of immigration, it doesn't follow from that that Islam isn't a threat. Given the fact that Sneako literally just said we're taking over.
- [77:08]
Alex Jones
Were the Crusades a response to 700 years of Muslim invasions of Europe?
- [77:13]
Sneako
It was conquest back and forth between different empires.
- [77:16]
Alex Jones
No, it wasn't conquest.
- [77:17]
Jay Dyer
Again, Muhammad wasn't an empire. Muhammad, even according to his own religion, was not an empire. Muhammad was an unlearned Arab, you know, traitor who became a warlord and then started fighting all of the people around him. That's not an empire. So that's not true.
- [77:38]
Alex Jones
Back and forth. The Eastern empire of Rome, Constantinople fell at 600 years ago or whatever that was Muslims with giant cannons that they bought from Eastern Europe.
- [77:46]
Sneako
There's no caliphate right now. There's no Muslim. What Muslim empire is going to take over America? Where's the caliphate today? Where's the Ottomans? That doesn't exist.
- [77:52]
Jay Dyer
You're saying the fact that there's not a caliphate doesn't mean that Islam can't try to take over. That's. There's nothing in the Quran that says, oh, you only take over when you have a caliphate. So again, everything Sneako says is just sneaky word games and playing. Playing games.
- [78:09]
Alex Jones
My family background is Protestants. Okay.
- [78:11]
Sneako
Okay.
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Alex Jones
So on my mom's side of the family, the Greshams, who went back to England and then vintage stock exchange, bunch of other stuff, but they were Christians that came over here, and then they owned a bunch of stuff and were rich in New York. And they met with Andrew Jackson when he was president down at the Hermitage in Tennessee.
- [78:22]
Sneako
All right.
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Alex Jones
And he said. He said, I want western expansion, you know, be after I'm out of office. And he said, I want you to, you know, you're volunteering. I want the Gresham family to sell your holdings. Bring in. They accepted the plan that they came up with my ancestors engineered text revolution. Took them 10 years. They came in with two ships at Galveston, had shootouts with the Jesuit priests. People got killed. She got. One of the ships got taken. The other ship got in. They went up the river to Washington on the Brazos, started bringing in Protestants out of Tennessee, Alabama and Virginia. Took them 10 years to set up the operations. And then we basically started a fight with their dictator, Santa Ana, a decade later and launched the war. So that's what these Islamicists are too, is they're coming in as the foot soldiers to prepare the way for the takeover. And the government of Islam is Sharia law.
- [79:04]
Jay Dyer
Which government, dude, is Sneako this stupid? Alex is not saying the official, quote, government out there of Islam. He's saying that when Islam has government control or governance, they enact Sharia law.
- [79:20]
Alex Jones
That is the governing system.
- [79:22]
Jay Dyer
Yeah, exactly. Like is Sneako really. It's hard to know if he's just lying and deceptive or if he's actually
- [79:29]
Alex Jones
the stupid Shiites and particularly the.
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Caller/Listener
The. The.
- [79:31]
Alex Jones
The Wahhabius.
- [79:32]
Sneako
That is 80 completely different Wahabis and Chias.
- [79:35]
Alex Jones
That's what I just said.
- [79:36]
Jay Dyer
So he's. He keeps trying to assume that Alex is going to make some basic mistake. Alex knows that Wahhabists and because they're Sunni and Shia are different. He knows that I just said
- [79:50]
Alex Jones
The Shiites are 19.
- [79:51]
Sneako
You think Iran is trying to take over America?
- [79:54]
Alex Jones
The Wahhabius Sunnis are 79. And then the rest 2% is Alawites. And through the groups, I know all that.
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Sneako
Okay, where is that. Where is that happening?
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Alex Jones
Where's that spreading in America, I'm saying, is in both major branches of Islam, but particularly in Wahhabiist, it is the Sharia law down to the local imam. That is the governing system of Islam. So is Iran.
- [80:11]
Jay Dyer
That is correct.
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Alex Jones
It is the is republic.
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Sneako
What is Sharia law? What is Sharia? What's that? What does that mean?
- [80:47]
Alex Jones
Sharia law is the governing control. Three forms of jihad.
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Sneako
What does. What does Sharia mean?
- [80:53]
Alex Jones
Sharia is the. Is the Islamic law.
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Sneako
Sharia means law.
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Jay Dyer
That's what he said.
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Sneako
What are you talking about in Sharia law? If you're a Muslim, act like I
- [81:01]
Alex Jones
don't know about Islam.
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Sneako
No, first off, let me explain.
- [81:04]
Alex Jones
Nailed every one of your little factoids.
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Sneako
No, you didn't. Because Sharia law.
- [81:07]
Jay Dyer
Yes, he did. What are you talking about?
- [81:08]
Sneako
Sharia means law, and that's what he
- [81:11]
Alex Jones
said, that it's the Islamic law. You just said Sneako.
- [81:14]
Jay Dyer
Sneako is so such a liar. Dude, how does anybody follow this guy? This is so insane to me.
- [81:19]
Alex Jones
I said it's Islamic law. Then I'm wrong.
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Sneako
It's okay, relax, Alex. Alex, we're just. We're just getting started. Sharia means law. Under Sharia law, Muslims are supposed to follow the law of the land. Nobody here is trying to change the constitution. In fact, it seems like you are because you.
- [81:32]
Jay Dyer
That's not true. Again, the Islamic battle plan in the Quran is that you are faithful to the laws of the land until you have dominance, then you take over, then you institute Sharia law.
- [81:47]
Sneako
We think that I should be deported for exercising my first amendment rights. We have freedom of religion here.
- [81:51]
Alex Jones
You are such a.
- [81:51]
Sneako
Either.
- [81:52]
Alex Jones
You're super.
- [81:52]
Sneako
We have freedom of speech under Sharia law.
- [81:54]
Alex Jones
You obey the law. I got thousands of top emails saying we will make you take Sharia law. I got them at the chest.
- [81:59]
Jay Dyer
Exactly. They all. They say this all the time. And so Sneako is playing word games like, well, that doesn't mean that we immediately do it, so therefore we don't do that.
- [82:09]
Alex Jones
State houses in Congress where everywhere saying you're going to adopt.
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Sneako
Where are you see in America, the imams are trying to spread Sharia law in America.
- [82:16]
Alex Jones
Name one they have it in.
- [82:19]
Jay Dyer
In Detroit. What are you talking about? In Michigan.
- [82:22]
Sneako
Who's trying to bring Sharia law in America?
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Caller/Listener
Where?
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Alex Jones
Oh, that's ridiculous.
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Sneako
Tell me.
- [82:27]
Jay Dyer
There's entire areas of London like this. In fact, that Rupert logo I just went on Joe Rogan talking about about it.
- [82:33]
Alex Jones
Imam's called for Sharia law.
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Sneako
You said, you know, 20,000. Can you tell me an imam who wants to bring Sharia law in America, please?
- [82:38]
Alex Jones
Dura Dura. Muhammad Jihad.
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Sneako
Okay, you just want to just be stupid now because you don't have an answer.
- [82:42]
Alex Jones
No, I mean, not no. I mean, my God. Listen, we're gonna take this.
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Sneako
That's. That's. You don't. You don't have an answer.
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Alex Jones
You do it for us. Take this clip and then show them. Don't go too much. You just have 15 Imam saying, you
- [82:52]
Sneako
don't even know one person that's trying to bring Sharia law here. Ronda Santis parades around. Hey, we're banning Sharia law. Texas, we're banning Sharia law. Alex, why do you think they're doing this? Is it because there's an actual threat of an Islamic invasion? Even though they're ushering in H1B visas, even though Elon Musk, who's also calling for my deportation, is bringing in hundreds of thousands of Indians, even though he says that white men are.
- [83:08]
Jay Dyer
So he just keeps deflecting. It's not. These things are not mutually exclusive.
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Caller/Listener
Right.
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Jay Dyer
It's not like. Because if I'm concerned about Islam, I'm not concerned about the other things. Right. It's a false dichotomy. And I've seen countless clips of imams talking about what they're going to do and what they're going to implement. I was hoping I could find one quickly here. Somebody in the chat. Give me a clip from the imams that talk about this kind of stuff. When he first described us to the angels, Khalifa. I'm going to put on Earth a successor, a vicegerent, someone who's going to manage, and I think that's the word I keep coming back to in English, manage the creation in the way that Allah subhanahu wa ta' ala wants it to be managed. Secularism will tell you that it is.
- [84:12]
Sneako
Just.
- [84:12]
Jay Dyer
By the way, I shared one of these clips a while back and it had. It had Jake, it had Muhammad hijab, It had all of them calling for this stuff. Simply the separation of church and state, secular version of Islam, a privatized version of Islam.
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Caller/Listener
One that we would say is the
- [84:27]
Jay Dyer
Islam of four walls and five pillars. It's limited to the four walls of the mosque. It's limited to the five pillars of personal worship. No jihad, no other things, no farqifa, no institutional civilization building. None of this stuff that Islam is much more comprehensive than a privately held conviction. Personal relationship with God, that's part of it.
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Caller/Listener
That's there too.
- [84:51]
Jay Dyer
But Islam as a worldview, as a civilization, right. Is something that exceeds secularism. So there you go. He's saying, there's one imam saying, no, it's not just private religion. It is also jihad. We need a Butlerian jihad, not a Islamic jihad. Here's, let's see, here's one right to safeguard Islam sovereignty and to raise the
- [85:31]
Alex Jones
Kalimatulah to make it the highest.
- [85:33]
Sneako
The reason why it's not being established is because the weakness of the Muslims.
- [85:38]
Alex Jones
So we have many steps to go.
- [85:41]
Jay Dyer
See that? There's phases and steps, dummies. And sneako is being a retard and lying as if. Well, because we don't have not power now. We're not calling for. We're not looking for that. Yeah, you are. Dude, come on.
- [85:52]
Alex Jones
That's not what Islam is. Then why is it taught in every
- [85:56]
Jay Dyer
single Islamic school on the planet?
- [85:59]
Alex Jones
Here is a book, the most prominent Islamic book used in Islamic schools in America. You can tell it's a little well used. There are three duties in Islam, according to this book, Dawah, to call people to Islam jihad and encourage good and forbidding evil. Those are the three duties.
- [86:18]
Jay Dyer
And they're teaching them to seventh graders in America.
- [86:28]
Caller/Listener
He wants to ban Muslims. We will tell him this is in your country to ban. This is the land of Allah, as
- [86:37]
Jay Dyer
every land is the land of Allah.
- [86:39]
Caller/Listener
And there are Muslims here that are
- [86:41]
Jay Dyer
here, that are gonna be here.
- [86:43]
Caller/Listener
And if you don't like it, I would suggest he go somewhere else.
- [86:46]
Alex Jones
But I don't know where he's gonna go.
- [86:48]
Jay Dyer
If he goes back to Europe.
- [86:50]
Caller/Listener
A lot of Muslims in Europe. I've been there recently. You go to Africa, you go to South America, you go to China, you go to Malaysia, you go to Japan, you go to the Antarctic there's Muslims. So I will make a suggestion. If he wants to go somewhere where there is no Muslims, I suggest he goes to hell.
- [87:13]
Jay Dyer
I wish I could find that Muhammad hijab clip. Let's see if we could try. Let's see. Let's try that Muhammad. By the way, notice how this shows you that David Wood is a massive liar. Because I'm sitting here calling all this stuff out as David Wood says that I work for the Muslims and I try to promote Islam. They're just ABS people. It's so crazy how online people like that just have no shame at all. Just totally lying like they don't even care. We can't even understand what he's saying. Just gibberish.
- [88:02]
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- [88:35]
Jay Dyer
Here's another one. Legitimate law. Legitimate target.
- [88:39]
Alex Jones
Agree or not?
- [88:41]
Caller/Listener
Yes.
- [88:42]
Jay Dyer
So why when any non Islamic system talks about killing others and the international law, this is legitimate and this is fine. When Islam talks about its own version of Islamic law, it talks about killing. And Islam is a terrorist religion. Why this is double stand up. Islam is not a religion. Islam is a system. As the Norwegian system. It is a system. It talks about all aspects of life. Including the Norwegian jihad. Yes, the Norwegian has their own version of jihad which is what? When they can start a fight and
- [89:27]
Alex Jones
when they can end a fight, when they can kill others, etc.
- [89:31]
Jay Dyer
This is jihad.
- [89:32]
Alex Jones
Jihad means fight.
- [89:33]
Jay Dyer
So there is a Norwegian version of
- [89:36]
Alex Jones
jihad and there is an Islamic how
- [89:38]
Jay Dyer
to establish Islam in the West. Latest stage of jihad. Which is what?
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Caller/Listener
Okay,
- [89:52]
Jay Dyer
notice that stages. That's what we've been trying to say. Stages of Islam here means fight them wherever you find them. Yeah, this latest stage which is the that the so called offensive. So the last stage is the offensive jihad. Here's dudes in Chicago saying the same
- [90:17]
Caller/Listener
stuff and to strive to struggle in the cause of Allah Subhanahu wa ta'.
- [90:23]
Alex Jones
Ala with your wealth and your lives.
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Sneako
And that is best for you.
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Caller/Listener
If only you knew.
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Jay Dyer
And by the way, the Vatican is not going to help you. The Vatican says we worship the same God as the Muslims. The Vatican Pope Leo said mosques are holy spaces proper to God. Here's a dude in the downtown Islamic center in Denver calling for jihad. Where is the Muhammad Hijab clip though? That one is. That one's golden if we can find that one. It was a clip of like Muhammad Hijab and Jake and Hakikachu was in there, I think. Does anybody have that clip? Somebody send me that clip if you can find it because that one's a classic. Jeremiah, what's up man? On mute Dude.
- [91:31]
Caller/Listener
Hey, can you hear me? Huh? I think I might have a delay. So I had a question about something completely different than Sneako and the whole muslin thing. Or are you wanting to stick to that topic?
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Jay Dyer
Just quickly ask it, what is it?
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Caller/Listener
It's about the Ebionites. Have you heard of this?
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Sneako
Yeah.
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Caller/Listener
You know much about this? I have a buddy that's gotten really into this and I hadn't heard much about it.
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Jay Dyer
I mean, they're an anti trinitarian early sect. What about him?
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Caller/Listener
I just wanted to hear if you knew where to get some good info on it and basically, essentially like the orthodox argument against it because he's arguing that they were the first group, not the orthodox. I'd never even heard of them.
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Jay Dyer
I mean they're like a gnostic, heretical, anti trinitarian sect. So you would just look at all the passages that prove the deity of Christ or the Trinity in the Old Testament. That would easily refute any of that stuff. Self fulfilling prophecy. What's up? Does nobody have that clip? What's up, aj?
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Caller/Listener
How you doing today?
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Jay Dyer
Good. What's up?
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Caller/Listener
Hey, so two questions. The first one in terms of like the Sneako Alex stuff, can you just answer whether or not you kind of advise him? Huh?
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Alex Jones
Do you kind of advise him on
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Caller/Listener
these things or is this. These are just his opinions?
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Jay Dyer
No, I've never advised Alex on debating or anything like that. Sorry, I'm getting double feedback. I apologize. No, I've never advised Alex Jones on how to debate. Thank you though. Will. What's up?
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Caller/Listener
Hey, what's up, Jake?
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Jay Dyer
What's on your mind?
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Caller/Listener
Can you hear me? Hey, I noticed that you were getting more into the.
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Jay Dyer
The video games. The what?
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Caller/Listener
The gaming. Right. Didn't you start doing a couple video game streams or something? Huh? Yeah, I wanted to because, like I've let it be known to you. I'm a huge fan of esoteric Hollywood. If you want to get into like the esoteric video games, I think A great entry point. Look no further than Assassin's Creed 4, Black Flag, the. The pirate one, because, well, it loosely has, like, connections to, like, the drug trade and whatnot and the smuggling, but basically it gets really conspiratorial because, like, the character you play as. Right, like, so he's a pirate, right, because he didn't want to join, like, the British Navy and all that kind of stuff, because it just didn't pay him any money, right? So he just decided to be a pirate. And so he's like. He gets shipwrecked and whatnot, and he encounters this. This assassin, right, who's part of, like, the secret society, and then he gets unintentionally caught up in this cryptocratic conflict between two secret societies, right? And it's about control over the whole world through a surveillance.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, I'll have to check that out. Appreciate that.
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Caller/Listener
Yeah, it's good. Yeah.
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Jay Dyer
Sounds cool.
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Caller/Listener
Coach.
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Jay Dyer
What's up, man? I really wish I could find this clip.
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Caller/Listener
Hello?
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Jay Dyer
Yep.
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Caller/Listener
Yeah, from. Go ahead. Yeah. How you doing? How are you? Good.
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Jay Dyer
What's up?
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Caller/Listener
Are you. How are you doing?
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Jay Dyer
I'm fine. What's up, man?
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Caller/Listener
That's good. I'm calling from Lillehammer, Norway.
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Jay Dyer
Oh, okay.
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Caller/Listener
And I just wanted to say, first of all, thank your dad for his service.
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Jay Dyer
Okay. Appreciate that.
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Caller/Listener
But I just wanted to say to all the, you know, listeners now and the listeners in the future that this Islam stuff is. Is real. I mean, it's. And they're real sneaky about it, and we don't have any here in Norway, at least because of it. So it's so secular here that we don't have any way to fight it other than the. Other than the church, really, and to get people to go to the church. So. Yeah, that's just my two cents.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah. Appreciate that, man. Thank you, man. Appreciate it. Yeah, I think that's kind of what I'm trying to get at here, is you can't really fight this type of an ideology with classical liberalism. You have to have a paradigm or a worldview that makes the faith relevant to all areas of life. And so much of Christianity has been cucked, especially since the Protestant Reformation, the Enlightenment, that people think that, well, Christianity has nothing to do with the state and culture and civil life. And that's really the whole error that we've been under ever since Protestantism and the Enlightenment. Right. I mean, even classical Protestantism didn't believe that, but it kind of logically led to that same conclusion. And then we have, you know, Americanism as this idea that. No, actually, you know, all of these so called freedoms are the most important thing. Well, how are you going to stand up to a religion with a billion people that doesn't believe that and they
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Alex Jones
know that with the Democrat socialists to be able to dominate. And I can play you thousands of imams in Dearborn, Michigan and Houston, Texas and everywhere else in Plano, Texas saying we're taking over. And everybody sees those videos, buddy, just like when you said we're taking over and now you're in the. Oh, I'm a victim.
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Sneako
I didn't say that.
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Alex Jones
You have been a victim of the neocons in Israel. Okay?
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Sneako
Yeah. And if Elon Musk, the globalist, the globalist that you're allying with who's bringing in H1B is the richest man in
- [98:00]
Alex Jones
the world, free speech. I don't care. Everything Elon Musk does.
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Sneako
You don't want free speech. If you want me deported for using my free speech. Actually you're against it sounds like you were demonizing Black Lives Matter. You kind of sound like a woke liberal.
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Alex Jones
You kind of sound like a woke
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Sneako
liberal with the woke mind virus. If you want me to port it for using my free speech.
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Alex Jones
I responded that.
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Sneako
Yeah, because you're actually using the strongest form of censorship if now the richest man in the world is saying that I should be deported for free speech, especially when he's an African migrant. So if you actually want to protect
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Alex Jones
it, what you're saying is.
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Sneako
Did you ask me a question? Why did I say this? You asked me a question. Why did I say that?
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Alex Jones
Dude, we know your plan. You asked me a question and I'm telling you you're going to lose.
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Sneako
You ask me a question. No one here, this is not a. This is the side.
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Jay Dyer
Sneako is not smart enough to actually critique classical liberalism. If you really wanted to have a good argument against Alex, he would critique classical liberalism. But he's not smart enough to do that. Which makes, which makes this kind of funny.
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Sneako
Yeah, this is what they plan to do is pin the Christians and Muslims against each other so that they can repeat their endless wars.
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Jay Dyer
No, that's not true. In fact, many, many rabbis say that Islam is the broom of Judaism. So Sneako is a total idiot.
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Sneako
It worked before. Don't let it work again. Alex, if you're opposing Iran, I'm not
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Alex Jones
supporting Israel and going them.
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Sneako
No, you are supporting Israel.
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Caller/Listener
You are.
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Sneako
You are supporting Israel with you.
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Jay Dyer
No. So notice this is sneo using false dialectics. If you don't support us Then you're with Israel. No, I can disagree with rabbinic theology, Zionism and Islam. I don't have to choose a false dialect. I don't have to choose between Tony Soprano and the five families. I could say no, I don't want either one of them.
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Alex Jones
Democrat, socialist and black lives matter that you supported and all the stuff that
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Sneako
went on trying to get me censored. If you.
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Caller/Listener
No, not I'm.
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Jay Dyer
By the way, he did again. Sneako's flip flopped. I mean, what's Nico gonna be next year? How long until Sneako turns into some libtar?
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Alex Jones
By the way, seeing you say we were gonna be violent.
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Sneako
I saw you say that. The crisis actress and Sandy Hook. And look what happened. If you want to do ad homs,
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Jay Dyer
why are you lying in the chat? When was I for Israel? Unless you're making a joke. So you guys are just such liars. Like everybody comes into chat with all these lies. When I literally just said I don't support Israel or Hamas or the Muslims. I don't support any of them.
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Alex Jones
Why is dire for Israel?
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Jay Dyer
Just lie every. Why is everybody just totally lying now on the Internet, it's like, now it's acceptable to just lie like crazy. Just lie all the time, non stop with no. You have no conscience or qualms about just literally just lying. People still say I don't talk about Zionism and Jews enough. Dude, all week I've talked about the raw tales non stop. What are you talking about?
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Alex Jones
Sandy Hook. Oh, God.
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Sneako
Let's stand point. I went home from school that day, actually, because you're talking about my childhood. You said, why did I say I
- [100:41]
Alex Jones
hurt you as a little baby?
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Sneako
You said, why did I say if God wills, bad might hurt you.
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Alex Jones
Okay, Alex, did I do something to your poopy?
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Sneako
Well, no, you got the trillionaire to try to put a target in my head. So yeah, well done.
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Alex Jones
Oh my God.
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Jay Dyer
Do something to your poopy goopy. Now he's trying to play a victim, like, because Elon said he should be deported.
- [100:58]
Alex Jones
Oh, I'm a victim.
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Jay Dyer
They're trying to kill me. What are you talking about?
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Alex Jones
Showing your teeth. Well done, throat slitting.
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Sneako
And they don't cry about white genocide. Don't cry.
- [101:05]
Alex Jones
Oh, I'm your friend. Hey, the Quran isn't a battle manual to take over. Come on, there's no imam saying that.
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Sneako
I don't want to hear you cry about your demographic placement. Oh, no. America's getting destroyed.
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Alex Jones
Oh, no.
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Sneako
The globalists are taking over.
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Alex Jones
Oh, no.
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Jay Dyer
See, now he now he's showing his true colors. He thinks it's funny.
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Jay Dyer
He thinks it's funny that America is being demolished with all of these horrible leftist policies and open border type stuff. Now he's laughing about. He thinks it's funny showing his true colors. Remember at the beginning he was like, I care about you. I want you to be having the true knowledge of Allah. I love you guys. I care. But now he's like, haha, you're getting up where you're going to destroy. He thinks it's funny with his stupid ass dumb face and his giant mouth.
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Sneako
America's getting replaced.
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Alex Jones
Our world right to dominate the planet. No, no. Oh no.
- [102:19]
Sneako
The west is getting taken over. Oh no. There's immigrants here. Oh no.
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Alex Jones
Immigrants are here from the wars that I paused over Spain for 700 years. Immigrants come in from the wars I paused in. Hollywood allied with you. Oh, the Crusades just attacked the poor little Muslims. I didn't say any of that.
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Sneako
You're arguing with your own head, Alex.
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Alex Jones
You're going delusional. I said Hollywood does that. I just said Hollywood does that. I didn't say you said shy pops control Hollywood.
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Sneako
Didn't you say the ChiComs control Hollywood and not Jewish supremacists?
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Alex Jones
No, what I, what I said in the full clip was I read a Wall Street Journal article about how China
- [102:47]
Jay Dyer
was like the Jews sold several studios to China. That's actually what happened. And that's what Alex was talking about.
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Alex Jones
10 biggest Hollywood production companies had bought a controlling interest in 6 and was in China. Admits they're funding a lot of the anti western, anti white propaganda. China is heavily allied with Hollywood and they're anti China.
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Jay Dyer
This is, that's actually true. So it's not an either or. I mean, Hollywood did its job. So the Jews are like, yeah, we could sell some of this stuff now. Let's see, watch this. China bought in 2016. Legendary Studios, Legendary Entertainment for 3.5 billion. That's one of the biggest right there. And then he was saying Wall Street Journal. Notice this right here.
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Jay Dyer
My last company grew so fast we lit. It's not lying to report multiple sides of a story. It's not as if the only thing that ever exists ever in the world is Zionism. That's the only thing that's ever existed. There's no other topics. By the way, you hear Nick saying the same thing now. Well, Nick, that was the stuff I was saying years ago when you said that I was never talked about Jesus, which is not true. I never talked about. He never talks about Zionism. You're literally saying all the stuff I've said now. Dalian Wanda Group, the Chinese conglomerate that acquired AMC theaters in 2012. So notice that all of those AMC theaters, when you go to see the movies, that's Chinese owned.
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Alex Jones
Now eyeing another company in Hollywood, Paramount Pictures.
- [104:45]
Jay Dyer
They bought Paramount.
- [104:48]
Alex Jones
People familiar with the discussions say Wanda is entirely talks with Viacom about buying
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Jay Dyer
49 of the studio.
- [104:56]
Alex Jones
And that Viacom is.
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Jay Dyer
This is old too. This is 2016. They were trying to purchase half of
- [105:02]
Alex Jones
Viacom seeking a deal that would value paramount at between 8 to 10 billion dollars. Wanda owns the largest cinema chain in China.
- [105:12]
Jay Dyer
A deal would give Viacom a powerful
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Alex Jones
strategic partner in Asia.
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Jay Dyer
In China, one dies.
- [105:18]
Alex Jones
You're telling me your profit a 9 year old and it.
- [105:21]
Jay Dyer
So there you go. You can see China in 2016 was actively buying up multiple production houses, studios, AMC movie theater chains, etc. So it's not false. Okay, Sneako is being dishonest because he's going from the people that were attacking Alex at the time, saying Alex won't talk about Jewish Hollywood will only talk about China. Alex was reading the article that they were purchasing it from. Obviously from them demographics.
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Sneako
This is why, this is why the
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Alex Jones
west is getting replaced in Hollywood. China doesn't control and own big parts of Hollywood. Alex Jones.
- [106:04]
Jay Dyer
So we just saw that sneako is 100 wrong. That's actually true.
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Alex Jones
Are you, are you kidding me?
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Sneako
Chinese? I mean this is why the west is changing. Because when you spread these lies that the Chinese control Hollywood, people get confused.
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Jay Dyer
No, they don't control it. They bought several of the major powerhouse studios, production houses, etc. That's what he says.
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Sneako
And you mix the truth with life. You say some things that are true
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Alex Jones
and say that's an old white supremacist attack on me that I cover China. I mean look at, look at brain dead Mitch McConnell. His wife flees to China, who's a known Chicom agent. And you look at Fang Fang and swallows well and all the Chinese spots.
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Jay Dyer
So again all foreign nations engage in foreign espionage operations and China has for many, many decades been buying up large areas of American industry and strategic corporation stuff. In fact a lot of our industry was intentionally designed to be shipped off to China. And actually the Rothschilds had a role in that. There's a book about this, about the fact that the Rothschilds have played a key role in helping to set up Walmart, getting all of that cheap product and cheap labor from China. I forget the name of that book, but it was, it was put out many years ago by the Spotlight, which was Jim Tucker's thing that exposed Bilderberg for forever. Well, they published Michael Collins Piper's book on the role of Israel and JFK called Final Judgment. They also put out a book about the Rothschilds role in Walmart and China. So these things are not antithetical. People think that if you talk about China, well that's automatically, well did you know Israel has sold America's secrets to China? So a lot of these things overlap.
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Alex Jones
Are you saying China geopolitically is not our main military adversary? It's not the main spy force?
- [107:54]
Sneako
I didn't say that. I said China does not predominantly control Hollywood. I didn't say anything.
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Jay Dyer
So again that's why it's more complex than that. So they already admitted earlier in the debate that one of the largest groups coming into America is China. Right. In terms of migrants, if you go to Houston, this is, this is crazy. I remember the first time we went to Houston for the Sophia conference, Orthodox conference in 20, I think it was 19 or 20. I don't know that I've ever been to Houston before. And the conference is very close to what is far greater than Chinatown. I don't even know what you would call it. It's, it's China county. Basically there are entire mile long sections of gigantic business districts within Houston. You will not see English on the billboards, you will see Cantonese, you'll see Chinese billboards. You'll go for miles and you won't see anything but Chinese. And I remember I was mystified by this. I was like, what is, I've never even seen, I mean I've been to LA and San Francisco, I've been to Chinatown, but I've never seen this. This is like China county, dude. The number one largest migration is I, at one point back in 2020 or so was, was Chinese and probably India now. And the number one area is Houston. So they're basically setting up a China in Houston. And to talk about that, well you're
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Alex Jones
covering up for Jews. You cover up for Jews.
- [109:29]
Jay Dyer
Because you mentioned China.
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Alex Jones
I'm gonna say this very slowly to you. I'm gonna say this very slowly. Wall street journal, like 15 years ago did an article about how China bought a controlling interest of 6 of the.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, we, we literally just watched the video version of that article. So Alex is correct.
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Alex Jones
10 top Hollywood production companies. I didn't say they were the producers, I didn't say that they were the directors. That's mainly Jews. And I said that in the full show. So just added an hour on atrazine scientific studies and clips and then said, I don't want them putting chemicals in the water. Turn the freaking frogs gay. The media only showed that 10 second clip, not me showing all the studies. And of course I was proven right.
- [110:05]
Sneako
Yeah. Kind of like you when you flip up everything and try to make me sound.
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Alex Jones
Are you saying China does not have a controlling interest? I don't know what it is now in a lot of US Media, of
- [110:15]
Sneako
course, but it's predominantly Jewish supremacist. You're messing up the conversation by redirecting it.
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Jay Dyer
So now that. Now you notice Nico just moved the goalposts because now it's moved away from whether it was the case to who's predominantly running these things. So at first it started out that Alex was reading an article and he mentioned that they bought up a bunch of the studios, which we saw is true. And now Sneako's just purity spiraling and saying, well, but you won't say that. The Jews are basically doing it all.
- [110:41]
Alex Jones
We talk about the anti Western, anti white, anti Christian.
- [110:44]
Sneako
If you want to protect this country, then talk about the main issue. Alex, don't just get it twisted with a bunch.
- [110:48]
Alex Jones
You're doing like Dan Bilzerian did, saying Nick Fuentes doesn't go on Piers Morgan and big shows talk about Israel. When he does. That's just not true. That's this thing of I talk more about Israel than you do. No, I. Yeah, well.
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Jay Dyer
And by the way, Nick did the same thing to me where it was like, oh, you don't actually talk about this enough. And it's like, like, well, Nick, now you're literally saying all the stuff I said. So all the criticisms that Nick had of me like two years ago, a year ago, basically Nick says all the same positions that I say. No, So I was correct.
- [111:14]
Alex Jones
Just talk about all the major power blocks in the world. That's what I do.
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Sneako
And you're confusing people when you say
- [111:19]
Alex Jones
globalist type in Chinese interest in Hollywood production Companies, China funding anti American stuff. China taking over US Universities via the Confucius Institute. That's a whole nother subject. China putting kill switches in US Computers.
- [111:32]
Sneako
It's a whole other subject. Let's stick to the main subject. That's a strong man.
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Alex Jones
No, you just, you created a straw man that I said China controls Hollywood.
- [111:40]
Sneako
I said straw man. I said you're losing the conversation. You're just making people focus on things.
- [111:44]
Jay Dyer
He said I didn't say straw man. Obviously you're not going to say straw man, you idiot, when you're going to be cunning and use deception. Alex said you engaged in a fallacy. But again, Sneako doesn't even know what fallacies are. So even Alex just knowing like a couple fallacies has allowed him to confuse completely so far dominate Sneako in this debate.
- [112:03]
Sneako
Things that are not extremely important. The most important issue.
- [112:05]
Alex Jones
No, you brought. I didn't bring up China in this conversation. You just did.
- [112:08]
Sneako
You brought up a million things in five seconds because you don't want to stick to one topic because you just wanted this direction.
- [112:12]
Alex Jones
You're not controlling. The debate is what's happening here.
- [112:14]
Sneako
The debate is about you calling for my deportation. The debate is about you call for
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Jay Dyer
my, by the way, reminder.
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Jay Dyer
and other limits and terms apply according to orthodox Muslim. He says he can arrange me to debate him on Sneako on Sneako's thing, wherever, wherever Sneako does his stuff. I don't know where, but so that might happen next week. I don't even know if this guy actually knows Nico or not. It could just be, who knows. But he said he wants to debate Trinity in the Old Testament and messianic prophecies. And I'm like, you want to debate our position? I mean, this will be a first. Muslims never want to debate our positions. They always want to debate Quran, Quran, Bible contradiction. So I don't know why he would accept that debate. Maybe he's just needing some attention. But we all remember the last time I debated on Sneako's channel. Remember what happened? Andrew came in they got mad. Andrew made jokes about Muhammad's stuff, his witness. They got mad, they booted him. They asked me to come on and do the rest of the debate and it was the pretty much seems like the end of Muslim lanterns debating career. He was a rising dawa hot star. I haven't heard hide nor, nor hair of Muslim lantern since that debate. I don't know where he's at.
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Caller/Listener
What.
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Jay Dyer
Maybe he's still doing stuff and I just don't see it. But I noticed that outside of my platforms that debate has disappeared. I don't think it's on grumble anymore. I don't think it's on whatever other like they got rid of it because if you guys remember when they did the poll which was not just for orthodox, they did a poll and it was like 65, 30, 30, 60, 30, 60, 40 saying that Muslim Leonard got demolished. And that was on Sneako's channel. Remember guys remember that? I mean I had it on my channel too because I was like I'm not trusting you guys. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna dual stream this if we're gonna do this debate. I don't trust y' all at all. And I don't think it exists on their channels anymore. I wonder why. By the way. That debate is still accessible on my channel and I re shared it on X. If you scroll down, here's one version of it that's an hour and 16 me. This is my version of it. Here's another version of it that's an hour and a half. That might be mine too. This is something that somebody clipped from I think from this from Sneako's version of it on his channel. So there's multiple clips and versions of this and. But I don't think the full three, four hours that had Andrew is even on their Grumble page anymore. It may be and I just couldn't find it. But anyway, worked with Hitler.
- [115:44]
Alex Jones
The Zionists work with Hitler to not let any Jews get out that wouldn't give them part of the money designers to give the rest of Hitler. Madeline Albright's dad was one of the main guys that ran it. George Charles was a low level guy, man.
- [115:55]
Jay Dyer
He has the most annoying, condescending smirk. Can just look at his. Every time Al starts talking he's got this like, like condescending smirk because he knows he doesn't know any of the history because he's an idiot. But he's just waiting for like a way to like be tricky and sneaky.
- [116:10]
Alex Jones
Went around finding hidden Jews to get their money. And they worked with Hitler to only let Jews get out to what was going to become Israel. And Israel hired top SS officers to set up the Mossad and. And they hired top Nazi assassins to set up the Mossad.
- [116:24]
Jay Dyer
And that's true. That's Otto Scorzani and Reinhard Galen. That's absolutely true.
- [116:28]
Alex Jones
And they never really hunted down Nazis just like the US government shipped them over here. And then Israel blew up synagogues all over Spain and all over the Middle east to blame it on Muslims and then get Jews to immigrate to Israel. And Israel founded and created Hamas and Israel works with Al Qaeda and gave them field hospitals. And so see that what I'm saying is secretly behind the evil scenes you've got Islam working with Israel in a big sick plan.
- [116:48]
Sneako
Islam's working with Israel.
- [116:50]
Jay Dyer
Yes, Islam and various branches does work with Israel, you goober.
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Alex Jones
Yeah, not. Not Iran.
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Sneako
Islam's working with Israel.
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Alex Jones
Definitely Saudi Arabia.
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Sneako
I'm not trying to get a clip.
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Alex Jones
Are you saying Islam definitely uae? Yeah.
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Sneako
Islam works with Israel.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, many of those countries are openly in league with Israel, you goober.
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Sneako
The UAE is not representative of Islam. The UAE is not the California Israel.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, he's talking about Islamic countries and sectors of Islam. Not the entire religion. But by the way they read entire religion according to many of the rabbis is absolutely a version of Judaism. They call it the broom of Judaism. And we played that clip many times. Countless rabbis saying they have no problem with Islam in terms of the way that it affects the western countries, especially the Christian countries. Doesn't mean that they like it or that they're totally on board with it, but they don't have a problem with it going forth and screwing up who they perceive to be the enemy. Christianity or Rome or Edom back Al Qaeda in Syria.
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Sneako
Islam is not working with Israel. Islam is a.
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Jay Dyer
Again, sectors of Islam are absolutely in league with Israel. Countless Mossad heads, Netanyahu himself has talked about funding and aiding Hamas. They've talked about funding isis. We all know Timber Sycamore was just declassified. That was the CIA and Mossad co plan working together with not just Islam but also the Muslim Brotherhood and all types of sects to overthrow Assad. Timber Sycamore. I was writing about Timber Sycamore before we knew the name of it because it wasn't declassified what the name was, but it was obvious that it was going on. Here's the New York Times billion dollar program to overthrow Assad using isis. Together CIA and Assad, we already covered Victor Swarovski's books. Victor Swarovski, former Mossad, wrote two books by Way of Deception. And then I forget the name of the other one, something about war where he says, of course we fund the Muslim Brotherhood, of course we fund ISIS and Al Qaeda because they destabilize our surrounding peoples. He says, we would prefer a destabilized series of neighbors that we can control and manage the chaos versus surrounding Islamic countries rising up and being a significant challenge. It also gives, as we said with John Kuryaki when we did that interview, I said, john, you've been in the Middle East. You understand the situation. Is it accurate to say that. That Israel prefers destabilized groups around them because it also gives them a victim status that they can say, look, we're surrounded by enemies. Give us everything. And he said, of course, we've covered this a zillion times. But you don't talk about Zionism and you won't talk about. Dude, I'm the person that was talking about Mossad books before anyone else was. I was reading Mossad books before any of these people.
- [119:57]
Sneako
Warin, the people make mistakes. The leadership has clearly betrayed the uma.
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Alex Jones
We agree.
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Sneako
We know, but don't miscon.
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Jay Dyer
Oh, so now it's oh, some of the Islamic leaders have betrayed Islam and they're working with Mossad in the West. Yeah, sure.
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Sneako
True it. And say that these are the people that are taking. This is the government of Islam when they don't follow Sharia law.
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Jay Dyer
Didn't it just come out recently that Netanyahu was sending money to Qatar? So when they say you're a Qatari agent, if you critique Israel, the irony is that, no, actually Netanyahu was. Had a secret deal with Qatar. That's what's funny about this.
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Alex Jones
The UAE is the governance of Islam. You said I was wrong. You just said it yourself.
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Sneako
The UAE is the governance of Islam.
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Alex Jones
No, I just said Sharia.
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Sneako
Syria.
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Alex Jones
Sneaky.
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Jay Dyer
Sharia. I actually think. I kind of starting to think that he might just actually be kind of retarded. I mean, he. He's either intentionally, constantly misunderstanding and misconstruing, or he's actually just kind of dumb.
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Sneako
Sharia is.
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Alex Jones
I know, I know, I know you think you're right.
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Sneako
What government are you. Okay, so you're afraid of Sharia law. What government is practicing Sharia law that's threatening America.
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Alex Jones
I said that's the governance of Islam. Is Sharia right?
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Sneako
What country is threatening America with this?
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Alex Jones
Oh my God here.
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Jay Dyer
It doesn't have to be a country. It's the ideology of Islam itself that is the problem. Not a country.
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Alex Jones
In Austin they handed out Korans and had little girls wear a jibs. Parents knowing and said you need to adopt Sharia.
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Sneako
Handing out Qurans is they're on the
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Alex Jones
city councils trying to get Sharia. They have their own police forces in Michigan everywhere popping up. Sanctuarya. You said don't tell your story. I'm gonna you tell My wife was at HEB at like 9 o' clock at night a couple months ago and a Muslim in a nightgown, you know, wearing a traditional outfit, comes up and says you should not be out at night. You could get and like got in her face and was yelling at my wife. I mean I, I can show you 100 videos in the UK where they're bitching and saying don't bring your dog to the park. And the liberals go, yes, we gotta ban dogs. The Muslims don't like you. I don't trust anybody doesn't like dogs. Sneako.
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Sneako
I like dogs like Alex. Do you want to have.
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Alex Jones
You're not a good Muslim.
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Sneako
The whole point of this conversation was
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Alex Jones
that you are violating what Muhammad said. Unless a dog is used for sheep herding, it is not halal. It is bad. I want you, I want you to, I want you to reject Islam right now. I want you to get a nice French bulldog.
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Sneako
Okay, you could have a dog. It just doesn't need to be in the house licking your face and in your bed. Just keep it outside. You can have a dog. If you want to know about Islam. The whole point this is kind of
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Jay Dyer
what did you and here, here's one of those examples as I mentioned, this is former Mossad head right here talking about supporting radical Islam to overthrow Assad has been treating wounded Syrian rebel fighters
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Alex Jones
in its hospitals on the border, including fighters from Nusra front aiding them I
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Sneako
should say here proxy in Syria.
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Jay Dyer
Do those reports worry you that Israel's
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Caller/Listener
helping wounded Al Qaeda aligned fighters?
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Alex Jones
As I said before in A different context.
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Caller/Listener
Context.
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Jay Dyer
It's always useful also to deal with
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Alex Jones
your enemies in a humane way. And I think that when you have people who are wounded and you can deal with them in a humane way, the considerations as to whether to take them in are not simply whether it's
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Jay Dyer
politically useful or whether it's politically purely humanitarian.
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Alex Jones
You say.
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Jay Dyer
So there's no tactical or political strategic.
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Alex Jones
I didn't say there's no tactical. I said the.
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Jay Dyer
The main consideration, the immediate consideration is humane. But the tactical issues involved, I mean, you know better than me the phrase blowback.
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Sneako
You don't think there's going to be
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Jay Dyer
blowback against Israel if you get into
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Caller/Listener
bed with a group like Nusra Front?
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Alex Jones
No, I don't think so. I don't think there's going to be blowback.
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Jay Dyer
Why?
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Alex Jones
Because I think that unfortunately the rules of the game in Syria are such
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Jay Dyer
that you can do anything that is not able.
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Alex Jones
Is not possible to be done anywhere else.
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Caller/Listener
Else.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, I think people said that in Afghanistan too.
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Caller/Listener
Would you also treat his Bah fighters?
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Jay Dyer
So there you go. Another example. There's many. Just go watch the. If you don't want to read Victor Trotsky's book, just listen to his talk on c span on YouTube.
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Sneako
San Jo Rogan. I'm kind of like, this is kind of right now.
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Alex Jones
No, that was. That was me quoting Socrates. Was it Aristotle? I know that. I know nothing.
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Sneako
Okay. We're going all over the place. The whole point of this was that you called for my deportation because you're upset about what I said and you asked a question. You went on a million tangents. You said, why did you say that you want people to become Muslim for the same reason you say every knee will bow, every tongue confess. You want people to have goodness. I don't want to force anybody. I don't want to spread it.
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Jay Dyer
By the way, now he's changed it from whether Islam teaches these stages of conversion and forced conversion, etc, and the Jizya and all that. Now Sneako again moved the goalpost to say, I don't want to do that. I'm not doing that.
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Caller/Listener
That. That.
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Jay Dyer
That's not. The question is, does your religion teach that you're supposed to. And you said in your video, we are going to take over. So he's just a total liar.
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Alex Jones
Else will be under this. Insh. Inshah.
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Sneako
God willing, people will know the truth. This is the same statement like you.
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Alex Jones
You have big balls.
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Sneako
Turn the freaking frogs G. That's from.
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Alex Jones
That's for Team America. Because I saw him drop fire on my goats. That's why I knew I'd do a jihad on that ass.
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Jay Dyer
All right.
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Sneako
I mean, like, do be real for a sec. I mean, you're a funny guy. Do you want to make a change? Like, you want to use your platform for good?
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Alex Jones
I think I'm gonna. I think I'm gonna. I think I'm gonna be like Muhammad and have 30 black dudes ride me.
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Sneako
You don't even know what you're talking about if you want to make stupid insults. This is like saying that the holy spirit was gonna stuff will all come on the Virgin Mary because you don't know how to translate it. Read it properly. You said it. You read it twice. You don't know anything about Islam, bro. You don't know what jihad meant. I'll tell you about it if you want to know. Did you know that?
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Jay Dyer
No, he actually did. He just used the third stage of jihad, and because it didn't explain all the stages of jihad, Sneako's acting like you don't even know what jihad is. No, actually, you don't. I actually think probably Sneako doesn't know.
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Alex Jones
Oh, so under Islam, did you know that she's supposed to die in the writings that if you are a herder and there's. And there is, you know, no woman, you may take a sheep or a boy. I mean, they had the thing of the dancing boys.
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Sneako
You read the Quran on Facebook from Boomer slop that programs evangelicals. Boomer Slop? Yeah, the Boomers that are in megachurches
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Alex Jones
saying, God bless those mayors, but all these mayors in Afghanistan.
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Sneako
You didn't run me the whole time. You remember? The whole time. This is the same Boomer Slop that convinces Americans that God. That convinces Americans that God must bless those that bless the state of Israel. This is what Mike Huckabee is saying. They're saying. I'm immediately.
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Jay Dyer
Alex actually doesn't believe that and didn't make that argument. So this is a genetic fallacy. So even if Alex got this argument from evangelicals or from Boomer slot memes, which I don't think that he did, but even if he did, that wouldn't mean that the argument is false. So again, Sneako is just a fallacy factor. He's like a machine gun of fallacies, has no idea what he's talking about. The question is, yeah, but is this actually in the Quran or in the Hadith? Not what's the source of it? Boomer Slob.
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Alex Jones
I don't believe that.
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Sneako
Ted Cruz is posting about the IDF on July 4th. Clearly, the influence is coming from one place.
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Alex Jones
Clearly. Clearly. Netanyahu and all of them said in Huckabee that we owe Israel our existence and all. That's not true. I. I've covered it all, okay?
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Sneako
And the American government people, so.
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Jay Dyer
And again, these are all deflections. Because what. Even if Alex was a Zio freak, like, what would that have to do with the argument about what's in the Quran? I mean, David Wood is an insane Zio freak, but David Wood makes many arguments that are true against Islam, against the Quran. So the. The other positions that you hold have nothing to do with whether the argument at the point that you're making right now, whether it's true or false. So this is again. And if you've done 10 years of debates with Muslims like we have almost, you notice that this is all they ever do is this very low tier deflecting into just constant genetic fallacies. Constant either ors, constant non sequiturs, constant du quoques. They just cannot do basic argumentation. Trying to think of any Muslims that can even, like, maybe Jake can at least understand and recognize fallacies. I'm not saying Jake is that great of a debater, but he's probably their best. He's better than Hikichu, because even a Kikachu can't even, like, recognize fallacies and at least try to avoid them.
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Sneako
Like Randy Finder saying, ban Islam. Laura Loomer Jigsaw. This lady is saying, ban Islam.
- [128:49]
Alex Jones
Why are they.
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Jay Dyer
What does that have to do with whether. With, again, genetic fallacies? The fact that Laura Loomer is an insane Zionist has nothing to do with whether the arguments are true or false.
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Alex Jones
Loomer hired you and Lauren Loomer might be dating soon.
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Sneako
There's no way you're even a serious person. Like, did you. Would you.
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Jay Dyer
I like that. The way Alex handles this is just constantly throwing, like, trolling jokes, right? Because it's not a serious debate.
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Caller/Listener
It.
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Alex Jones
Oh, I'm not a serious person.
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Sneako
You do it.
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Alex Jones
That.
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Sneako
That's pretty good. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. Look, I don't know. That has aura. That has aura.
- [129:29]
Alex Jones
Become Muslim.
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Sneako
Abdul Alex Jones, inshallah.
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Alex Jones
Alex Jones is Muslim. You wear the burqa again. I saw you in that latest video where you're, like, wearing it like a woman.
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Sneako
It's a. It's a scarf. It's a scarf. It's wearing it like a woman. It's not a hijab. Also, how do nuns Dress. You're like insulting the hijab. Trump is posting kindergarten girls.
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Alex Jones
Those are women that are chasing that have decided to go into that life.
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Caller/Listener
Life.
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Sneako
Yeah. So are the hijabi girls.
- [129:49]
Alex Jones
Oh, they wanna. Oh, so in Saudi Arabia, women can. Women don't have to wear the hijabs. Yeah, well, yeah, since the crown prince started reform.
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Sneako
Yeah, yeah. It's a choice.
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Jay Dyer
So now. Wait a minute. So now it is a choice. But so are you saying that Saudi Arabia was wrong when it wasn't a choice, but now it is a choice, so therefore it's good. I mean, it just shows you how silly this is. By the way, great video on an angle that most people miss in terms of refuting Islam is our buddy Kyle did an interview with our other buddy, Kai from orthodox Shahada. And Kai had a phase when he was in college where he got really interested in. In Islam and he studied it and, you know, I don't remember for how long. Couple years, something like that. And he went to mosque for a while and then he said the thing that started to bug him was not even so much like all the theological contradictions or problems, but he noticed that when you're actually applying Islam to Islamic people's lives, there's all of these different rulings. So it's the fic, which is the rulings in the legal side of Islam, which are always contradictory, because you could have one school of Islamic ruling giving one thing that you do in prayer and then another school over here. So something totally contradictory. So if Allah wants unanimity and it's all about Allah and all of Islam being one, why would they be so divided on basic principles of. Of practice? Now a dumb Muslim is going to be like, well, Christians are divided. Well, we don't make the claim that all of Christianity, quote, unquote, is valid. And it's all one. We think that there's tons of sex sectarians and groups, but Islam makes the claim that it is specifically and especially one in a way that somehow proves Islam. Oh, but you see, we are the. We are one. We have this unity that no one else possesses. And this is one of the strengths of Islam. Well, if you listen to. Kai's own personal experience and why he saw Islam as having really just a surface level appeal. And then it also has a massive amount of turnover. People don't realize that a lot of the people that convert to Islam, they only last one to two years because they actually see what it's like and they realize that it's ridiculous. So I'll play real quickly here. This argument that convinced Kai to leave of epistemology.
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Jay Dyer
He's talking about the principles of the rulings on ethical or worship practices.
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American Express Announcer
Which principles and when and in what way are they to be applied in order to get you legal rulings. And so then what ends up happening here is this is all just guesswork.
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Jay Dyer
The different schools are, in effect, different
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epistemologies, different epistemic frameworks. And the reason why and why you have a proliferation of the different schools
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Jay Dyer
is because not any one of them
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American Express Announcer
can demonstrate their epistemic framework as being superior. They can believe that it is superior to the other ones, but they can't actually demonstrate it.
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Jay Dyer
And that's a problem.
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American Express Announcer
And that's a problem because Islam is supposed to be a divinely revealed religion. And if it's a divinely revealed religion, you should know what the principles are to arrive at legal rulings and how the whole system functions so that you don't end up with competing rulings, rulings that contradict each other. And so when I engage the local imam at the mosque and I say
- [134:15]
Jay Dyer
this and this and this and this
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American Express Announcer
and this and this, and the response is, don't ask too many questions. These are advanced topics.
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Jay Dyer
We're not going to get into this.
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American Express Announcer
And so I started seeing there is actually an aversion to want to talk about this stuff, to engage in these topics. And these are people who are sheikhs, imams. They're leaders of the community. They're the ones who are giving classes to teach the faith. They're the ones who are giving the Friday congregational prayer sermons. These are like the pillars of the community that they don't want to talk about their faith in a detailed way. They want everybody to just basically stay at a very dumb, uneducated level.
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Jay Dyer
And that's true, too. We saw in some of the debates when I would get into the nuances of Islamic theology, metaphysics particularly debates on the attributes of Allah, that kind of stuff. You'll eventually get to a point in Islamic theological writings where you say you are not permitted to ask questions beyond this point. What about the, you know, for example, the question of there's nothing in creation that bears any similarity to Allah. And then you have the problem of. Of the Quran being created and using words which are creatures to name Allah. And then it's like, well, how do we name Allah? With created phrases and terms and concepts. But no creature bears any resemblance at all to Allah. And eventually you get to the point where many of the, you know, imams and theologians have said it is not permitted to ask question beyond this point. Do not ask.
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Sneako
They choose to wear it. It's not a trash bag that they force people to wear. Women can choose modestly.
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Jay Dyer
That's not true. Again, Sneako's lying because he just admitted that the law changed. So even according to what he's arguing, in Saudi Arabia, it wasn't, prior to the recent reform, optional. It was mandatory. And now he's acting like. Because the law in Saudi Arabia changed that. Well, see, it's not mandatory, but it was before that, you idiot.
- [136:01]
Alex Jones
Her. Her. Her word isn't taken as half of that. As a man.
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Sneako
Her word is not taking half. What you want to be a woman's
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Alex Jones
word in court is taken as half as strong as a man's.
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Sneako
Well, I mean, look at the West. You're complaining about the demographics being changed. Happy wife, happy life. How's that going? What's your birth rate?
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Jay Dyer
So too quoque. Because Alex made a specific point about in fic, in legal rulings that we just talked about with Kai, that Islam is kind of, again, all over the place. It's crazy. So I don't think Alex is. I'm not dissing Alex. I'm saying I don't think he's aware of the fact that there's actually not one type of Islamic ruling. Just like they have many akitas, or schools of theology, they also have many schools of jurisprudence. And so it's an overlooked problem in Islam, because if Allah wants everybody to be one, how come they can't have basic ideas about, for example, well, what counts as being sure, what counts as idolatry. Muslims kill each other over this point, and they're supposed to be united. But as you guys know, Salafis believe Allah has a body, Allah has a shin, Allah laughs. And then you've got other Sunnis who think that that is shirk. That's idolatry. Because it's violating the principle that there's nothing that's in the created order that's like Allah. Well, creation is defined by being a body, something ascended in space. How can Allah have a body if Allah is not like creation? It's just stupid, right? It's the stuff that we've seen, Jake. And people argue forever. So they kill each other over these rulings, but then they act like to dumb westerners, we are united. We have the one faith. We are all on the same page.
- [137:39]
Alex Jones
We are together.
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Sneako
How's liberalism going on? You want to protect America? How's that going for your. The white race?
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Jay Dyer
So now again, it's Sneako's exposing what he. That he actually does really hate people in the west and he hates the country and he hates white Christians, etc, which he says earlier that, oh, he loves them. I will. I love you. I want you to believe and know the truth. And now he's laughing and smirking about the devastation of liberalism in the west supporting you.
- [138:05]
Sneako
Yeah, but how's that going for you? Because you hate Islam so much. Like, we can have four wives. The women are beneath the man. Not beneath, but yeah, the man is the leader.
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Alex Jones
Hey, don't worry.
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Sneako
The man is the leader in Islam. In the marriage, the man.
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Alex Jones
Women start squirting when they hear you say they're beneath them. They love being cucked by value. They're just. Here's the thing, the west has been too nice to women to the extreme. So.
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Sneako
Yeah, but you have no solution. You have no solution.
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Jay Dyer
Actually, Snakeo has a point here though, which is that again, classical liberalism is not going to be a solution. There's no solution in classical liberalism here. So I mean, I'm not saying I agree with Sneako's Islam, but Sneako is not even smart enough to know that he could actually critique Alex's classical liberalism here.
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Alex Jones
Tell the white liberal, blue hair women, tell them I'm gonna. You're beneath me and they're just gonna have orgasms. Just go, oh God.
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Sneako
Yeah, like wear white. Like the. That you have no solution to it. I mean, you're afraid of the hijab so much, but your birth rate's declining, feminism's everywhere. There's more atheists than Christians in America.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah. By the way, Sneo, even according to you, who are the people groups that have primarily promoted all these things you're bitching about? It's not Christians. Maybe people like the Rothchilds, like, they're behind a lot of this. So the very thing that you were critiquing earlier is actually the source of the stuff that you're bitching about right now. But you're actually blaming western Christians, right? And to a degree, actually, evangelical Protestant people do share in that blame. So, you know, this is the point where I think, Alex, in this discussion, there's a weak point in classical liberal Protestant ideology here I got four children
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Alex Jones
and okay, I think I'm gonna have probably four more. So don't worry.
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Sneako
That's great. Most of them don't because liberalism is rampant. Because you guys are so afraid of Islam.
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Alex Jones
I mean, I live by what I say. In fact, that's it. I'm having at least 10 more. But I actually, I admire Elon having 100 kids.
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Sneako
The majority of western people that follow you and the majority of people that are afraid of Islam, they don't. Conservative values are decaying everywhere because they're
- [139:54]
Alex Jones
too busy watching football and living in their own world. Please don't equate.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, but again, that's also the protestant liberal ethos and the classical liberal enlightenment ethos. So although obviously Sneako is not winning this debate on this point of classical liberalism. He gets an accidental point because again, he's not smart enough to actually know what he's critiquing.
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Alex Jones
The average, you know, brain dead western or whatever, what color they are with me.
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Sneako
Okay, so what's the solution? Because sharia law you're so afraid of. How are you gonna.
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Jay Dyer
By the way, that's a great point in the chat. I mean, Sneako is totally a westerner. I mean, Sneako literally has adopted every couple years a different position, a different trend that he rides. So you're literally the most western consumerist in your approach to these questions.
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Sneako
Nico, solve this birth rate, man.
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Alex Jones
All I know is I've been to Europe, I've been to London, I've been all over and I've seen how the Muslims behave. I mean, I remember going to London like 20 years ago. I've been there before that. And I would just be shooting video Big Ben and Muslims would walk by and say, you don't video me, you, blah, blah, blah. And as soon as I went fu. They were used to, you know, British bowing down like, oh God.
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Sneako
And so you had no answer to what I said. Like I asked you, like, how are you going to solve the birth rate problem? And you just have no answer.
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Alex Jones
No, the answer is we're going to. The great part is liberal leftists aren't having kids.
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Jay Dyer
Oh, wait again, reminder to you guys, if you're in the audience, I will be at debatecon July 2526. That is right here. You can use the promo code 20 from Jay to get 20 off. If you want to come to see me debate two Muslims. I'll be debating Naim. Turns out he's a guy who actually called in. I didn't realize that but he had called in and he's the guy that believes that God the Father has a body. Now he's not a Salafi like Jake because he believes in Quran only. So he's a. He's a Kafar from their perspective and he thinks that God has a body, a very tone body. He looks good. So that will be one debate and then I'll be debating Jake on whether Islam or Christianity is better for civilization. So get your tickets there. Also we have the Ludwell conference. This is the fourth Loudwell conference. They've invited me to speak again here in Kentucky. If you want to get tickets to the level conference that is September 12th in Kentucky, get your tickets here. We have of course the upcoming other debate cons. I will be at debate con 9 debating David Wood. Two separate debates scheduled for that one in Orlando. I don't think he has the tickets and all that up yet. They will eventually be up and then we'll have debates content still deciding on the location and we think we pretty much nailed down two debates with Trent Horn. So those will be big ones. And then of course Rachel Andrew, God, logic, ip. Forget who Destiny, I don't know. Oh Dinesh d'. Souza. They will all be debating at the the next debate con and then trying to remember. I have another. There's I think I have a debate coming up with an atheist in a couple days on modern day debate. I forget that guy's name. He's like doing his grad work on ethics or something which is interesting because most of the time when you debate people in this sphere that are atheists or even in general. I don't think I ever even met anybody in my grad studies in philosophy or in. In college that were. That were just focusing on ethics. So it's going to be interesting to see. I guess this is in actually tomorrow. Yeah, so this will be tomorrow. Oh we might have to. I'm supposed to supposed to have a dinner tomorrow. I have to cancel that.
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Alex Jones
I don't know.
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Jay Dyer
Let's see. So tomorrow at 9 anyway we have he. He is studying ethics. I don't know that I've ever debated a atheist dude who focuses on ethics but should be interesting. We'll see. So that's tomorrow night. And I think we've got some other debates lined up coming too, with Muslims and atheists. Now a lot of people are trying to get me to debate a couple rabbis. I'm not absolutely opposed to that, but I don't know if they will do it. So people are just saying you need to debate so and so. Well, I don't know that they will. So we'll have to see. Storm the cat. $10 social media condition normies to speak in generic phrases. Phrases like play stupid games, you win stupid prizes. F around, find out and in real time. Yeah, I mean, that's. I mean, if you think about the name Twitter, right? Twitter is what birds do. They tweet. Right. So it's just yapping birds kind of not really achieving much. That's the idea behind Twitter. Joel C. $5. These are my taxes for the Emperor wigs anthem. Raul Duke, $5. Yakub is influencing the inability of people to unmute because they are not bipoc kings.
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Caller/Listener
Bill.
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Jay Dyer
Dad, $7. Damn, son, you never mentioned Mac and me was a hell of a wig of laugh. I told you it was funny. Greenie from Oz 15. The Fabian Society stuff that you talked about regarding the permeation of universities is where these ideas start. Well, that's the Fabian started with Oxford and East and you know those. They brought the first Muslim intellectual to Oxford and then he set up that Islamic society that was first just Sufi stuff and then it turned into all the other stuff. So they started with the ecumenist. Oh, we're Sufis.
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Caller/Listener
We're cool.
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Jay Dyer
We love all the religions and we all just want to be friends. And then it turned into, you know, a few decades later. Oh, now we're actually just going to bring in all these, you know, Sunni Salafi muscles. This gave me a new perspective on what Charlie Kirk was doing. It's a different type of front line, stopping it at its roots.
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Jay Dyer
Nathaniel, $5. Sahib Buhari. That's the most sacred hadiths of the Sunnis. Yeah, I keep Meaning to get Sahib Buhari. I just haven't bought it yet. Number 367 and number 371 say plainly that that Muhammad unprovoked and unattached. Unprovoked, attacked and conquered cities. His friend took slave girl and then Muhammad demanded that he give the girl to him. Yeah, the, the, the, the Hadiths just make it ten times even crazier when you get into those. DM sends 500 RSDS China acquire Hariwood. Zayn says. This is refreshing. We've got so many people on Instagram or on X just posting about the J that it's a trope. Nobody's really doing honest back studies on it. This is where you come in. Yeah, well that's why I went to the Rothschilds biography. The permitted biography. Metal Hermit, $10 Muslim Lantern Debated Cliff nectal. Okay, I don't keep up with him. This was on Sneako's channel. It was all the same points that he used to. But it's funny because the nectar did very bad with their pot slop. Well that's why that Muslim chick, whatever her name is, she brought the nectals on and that went viral, semi viral. Because the Muslims are smart enough to know that if they just and this is what they did for actually years to build up Dawa was they would only debate like low tier Protestant goobers. And then that gave the impression that Christians not smart, they can't handle it. Then when we actually had intelligent people coming into debate, then Dawa online collapsed.
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Caller/Listener
Hahaha.
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Jay Dyer
Hilarious. $50. Have you tried setting up a debate with Rabbi Mizrahi? I think a couple people have suggested this, so I'm open to that possibility. We do have like I've got 10 debates scheduled, dude. I mean I'm not saying I won't do that. I'm just saying that we've got already 10 lined up and so six of those are in person, maybe seven or eight so people don't have to get in line. Dude, this will be funny because you've not debated actual rabbis. I think we did have one or two rabbis call in, so. But not in a formal way. Freaking stoic. $20. I'm not sure why I got blocked, but here are some love tokens. Probably because you said something. Dude, that's usually why you get blocked. I mean I'm just being honest with it, but sometimes I do miss block people, so maybe I block the wrong person. Q Street, $20. Jay, I was wondering if you give me the YouTube video where you did an overview Or a response to what? The latest video on Bible Unveiled called Mind Unveiled. It's esoteric with symbology. Here is the link. I mean, I'll take a look at it maybe. Oh, and then you give me a link here in the next super chat. I mean, I don't know what this is. I haven't seen it, but usually these kinds of, like, gnostic esoteric channels, they're pretty low tier for the most part. They just kind of have a lot of, like, arbitrary ways that they approach. Oh, look, this kind of looks like a vagina. So therefore, the Bible in this Renaissance painting of the chalice, it sort of looks like a vagina. So the Bible is actually a gnostic pista. Sophia. It's like they just go crazy. It's all arbitrary. And they do a lot of word concept fallacies with symbols. That's usually what these sort of gnostic esoteric channels do. But I'll take a look at it. Silat work. $5.
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Caller/Listener
You.
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Jay Dyer
Have you done a video on Issa or Lisa saying, baby, the day I die, I will be raised alive? You talking about east? You talking about Jesus? Because they call him Issa.
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Caller/Listener
Isha,
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Jay Dyer
I don't. I don't know what you're talking about there, man. Abstract. $5. When did China get secrets from Israel? I've read books on the Mossad selling secrets to Israel. I mean, to China. Let me think about what book it is. It's either get Gordon Thomas's book or it's the Michael Collins Piper book Final Judgment. I mean, you're acting like that's outlandish. Like, why would that be outlandish? Victor Swavsky says Mossad sold. Has sold weapons to Iran. I mean, what are you talking about, Henry? $10. Is anybody else excited for a new Jay Dyer show to come out? Hope everybody's having a nice day. Well, I hope you guys are happy with the new interview we did with Nathan Apple. Nathan is a cool guy. He went on Tucker and they did a interview about his documentary series. And he's a. Nathan's Protestant. He's a surf bro. And we had a good conversation here about the religion business and his series. It's a full high production season of a TV show. It's not a. I thought it was a documentary at first, but it's actually a TV show is about Ruslan, mega churches, Peter Drucker, all the stuff that you've heard me talking about. Business, church. Well, turns out your boy Nathan here has done an entire documentary series on TV show on business, church. It's called the Religion Business. It's a great series. We are about to do the fourth episode. So there's seven, I think episodes in season one. They're gonna do a season two. It gets into all the problematic Zion, you know, Paula White, the Kenneth Copelands, all of that. And we also get into churches as NGOs, think tanks, fronts, all of that. All the stuff you've heard me talking about. Of course, if you didn't know, Nathan had a huge spat with Ruslan with your boy Ruse lawn. Ruslan invited him on. They had a big argument debate on. On Ruslan's podcast. And then Nathan was making this series. Nathan called out Ruslan for business church. Nathan went on, Tucker talked about it. So then Nathan reached out to me and then we did an interview on, on the series. And I think you guys should definitely check it out. It exposes the way that a lot of these fake churches are actually. They're not goodwilled. They're literally bad willed from the outset. So I think he demonstrates that very well in his documentary series. Most of his series focuses on kind of Protestant megachurch type stuff which I think everybody kind of now is kind of getting a sense that okay, yeah, maybe Kenneth Copeland's obviously a fraud, but what he shows in the series is actually how they structure it. So it's a very in depth analysis of the business model, business church approach. I am gonna have to go to a dinner very soon here, so I don't know if I'm gonna be able to get to the rest of the Sneako Alex debate. We might try to do more of this tomorrow or later tonight when I get back. We'll have to see what how I feel energy wise. I have enough energy for a part two, but abstract says no. I didn't think it was outlandish. I just wanted to know. I don't remember where I wrote. I just a lot of nuggets of detail. I don't remember which books they're in. I mean, you guys, did you guys know that Jack Parsons, the famous Crowley and rocket scientist that developed jpl, he sold secrets to Israel. He got in trouble for secret selling rocket secrets to Israel. Free Trinitarian $20 sneako getting mythological. It was his attempt to avoid J Psyops and he fell for it. Oh, you mean Islam. I mean, I don't know if you mean that you think Islam itself is a Jewish psyop. I wouldn't go that far. I don't think that, you know, there's this theory, oh, Jews created Islam that's not true then. In fact, when Muhammad at first tried to get Jews into Islam and thinking that the Jews would accept him as a prophet, when they didn't, he went to war with Jews.
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Caller/Listener
Jews.
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Jay Dyer
So I don't think it's a Jewish Zayat, but I'm saying that some of the rabbis view it providentially as the broom of Judaism. Doesn't mean that the Jews control Islam. But I think some of them see it as kind of a version of the Noahide. Right. So if you're a rabbinic person, then you think that gentiles are supposed to be under the Noahide laws and they could see Islam as kind of a version of that. Tim says $5. What some of mental literature would you recommend about Christian ethics? I mean, I think you just need to be orthodox. So for us there's not going to be like a separate book that you study for Christian ethics. It's going to be Orthodox ethics. So just get to Orthodox, you know, Palme Zansky's Orthodox Dogmatics. All right, I got to go to a dinner, family dinner tonight, so I got to rush through some of these super chats. Greeny says $15. Australian Prime Ministers set up a 500 million dollar deal of Australian superannuated capital in India. This is an investment that is the Australian economy has with India. But I'm just dumb, okay, I didn't know about that. Phantasm Gifted memberships. All right. What's up? Roll Duke $5. Yakub is influencing the ability of people to not unmute. No, we don't to that one. Excuse me. Chris says for $5. Sneako in the debate mentions India like it's a win, but there's. Oh yeah, but there's actually lots of Muslims in India. Well, all of Pakistan is India, but Muslims. So yeah, dray God, $5. The current Roman Catholic dogma expressed by the Pope supports all of these Muslim invaders. Absolutely. And it's not just Leo's private opinion. It's in gaudium as best which calls for chain migration, which is Vatican II document. And it's in nostratate that we all worship the same God. And in Lim 16. Honestly, you are refreshing to listen to on all these issues. A lot of people just J post and there's nothing into it. Yeah, exactly. Today we sing Gifted memberships. Appreciate that, man. Steve the Turd. Great name, dude. $5. Where do I learn about Islam? Just go watch all the debates. I mean we've debated all the top Muslims for like last eight or nine years. And go watch all those and you'll know all about Islam. Also go to Orthodox Shahada. That's our buddies that make anti Islamic Orthodox videos. Shepherd, $5. Sheep herder. You have 10 debates coming up. Yeah. And like in the rest of the year, what are you particularly stoked about? Well, I'm looking forward to debating Trent Horn, so that's probably the ones I'm most stoked for. The other ones are all going to be kind of low tier. So. I mean, dude, David Wood. Who actually thinks David Wood's gonna be. He just learned about orthodoxy. Like the other day I was. He's not going to be able to debate Chetnik. $10. The KGB Kremlin funded Orthodo Orthodox ninjas are checking in. Yes, exactly. Proving David wood right. Freaking Trinitarian.
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Jay Dyer
Nico is getting mythological. No, we did that.
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Caller/Listener
Excuse me.
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Jay Dyer
Green eyes or no green from oz 31. I'm curious about the controlled opposition of Milner Fabian Socialists. One search of our conservative leaders in Australia and find out their Road Scholars at Oxford. Well, that was the Milner Group's whole recruiting process. I asked chat GBT and it said Rhodes Scholarships is a Milner Group meeting place. Yeah, they created the Road Scholarship. So I don't know who you're talking about in terms of your elected person, but that would be a huge red flag. For sure.
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Caller/Listener
That would.
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Jay Dyer
And I mean, the governing ideology of the English Commonwealth nations is Fabian Socialism. That's why they all immediately push the kuf Technocratic stuff. That's their ideology. I've been telling you guys this for over a decade because it was in the trick. The Quigley stuff. Right? And now we have the Rupert Low guy going on Joe Rogan and saying all the stuff that I've been telling you guys, so. Exactly. 100. Spot on. All right, so I'm gonna have to go to a dinner. We might do the rest of this debate tonight and come back to open calls. I'm sorry for some of you that waited. If you didn't get on, I might open it back up if I have enough energy tonight after dinner. Otherwise, remember to hit like and share comment below. A lot of fun tonight. We need to do the rest of this debate though, because it's super entertaining. Everybody have a good night.
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