Cults of the Shadow w⧸Isaac Weishaupt - Out of This World #76

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Podcast: Jay’s Analysis
Episode: Cults of the Shadow w/Isaac Weishaupt - Out of This World #76
Date: May 6, 2026
Host: Jay Dyer (as “Jamie” in transcript)
Guest: Isaac Weishaupt

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Episode Overview

This thought-provoking episode delves deeply into the enigmatic and labyrinthine world of British occultist Kenneth Grant, his Typhonian O.T.O., and the connections between occultism, pop culture, tantra, aliens, and the manipulation of symbols in both esoteric and mainstream settings. Jay Dyer and Isaac Weishaupt, both researchers with an outsider’s critical curiosity, lay out the tangled legacy of Grant’s work, interweaving commentary about popular music, art, gender, and the underlying forces shaping modern culture.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Introducing Kenneth Grant and His Significance

• Grant’s Obscurity and Influence: Not often discussed but hugely influential in occult circles, especially via his extension and revision of Aleister Crowley’s traditions.
• Initial Encounter: Jamie’s first exposure to Grant came from the book Aleister Crowley and the Hidden God (00:47), noting early on Grant’s focus on the “Mark of the Beast” as the O and X — “a symbol that you're gonna see a lot in pop culture. ... You're gonna care when Twitter, which is now X, is this sign and symbol, and ... you can't buy or sell without this mark.” (01:35)

2. Understanding Kenneth Grant’s Background

• Personal Disclaimer: Isaac emphasizes his position as an “orthodox Christian” outsider (02:50) who does not advocate occult practice but wants to understand its influence, especially on pop culture.
• Interest in Symbols: His journey began by noticing recurring arcane symbols in media and wondering about their source and meaning.

3. Grant’s Influences and Central Themes

• Occult Roots: Grant sought occult wisdom from both Western and Eastern (Tantric) traditions; failed to find a guru in India, so turned to Aleister Crowley (08:29–11:10).
• Tantra and Sex Magic: Jamie details how Grant’s work merges Western sex magic with Eastern tantra, yoga, and kundalini, viewing the latter as a way to “establish a gate in space through which extraterrestrial energies may enter and manifest on earth” (10:08).
• Entry Point for Readers: Isaac recommends Peter Levenda for a more accessible entry into Grant’s work due to its dense and complex subject matter (10:48).

4. Grant vs. Crowley, and the Typhonian O.T.O.

• Strains of Magical Philosophy: Grant diverged from Crowley, especially on sexual alchemy—“Crowley’s obsessed with the bunghole, Grant’s obsessed with the bodily fluids” (13:05).
• The Scarlet Women: Woman as a vessel for occult energies—Grant viewed certain female initiates (“scarlet women”) as the living embodiment of magical currents, drawing from ancient temple prostitutes to modern pop idols (24:13, 26:41).
• Break with Orthodoxy: Eventually, Grant was ousted from the main O.T.O. for his revisions but continued with his own Typhonian branch (16:26), focusing on goddess worship and darker Lovecraftian/stellar mythos.

5. Cosmic Currents, Lovecraft, and Entities

• Lovecraftian and Stellar Mysteries: Grant saw a hidden connection between Aleister Crowley’s magic and H.P. Lovecraft’s dreamworlds, interpreting Lovecraft’s stories as genuine entity contact (19:00–20:20).
• Mother Goddesses and Chaos: The Typhonian tradition emphasizes contact with primordial, chaotic, feminine forces (Typhon, Isis, Nuit)—in contrast to the male-dominated “solar system” deities of later magicians (22:13–24:13).

6. Symbolism in Pop Culture: The Scarlet Woman in Music

• Modern Manifestations: Isaac explores how current pop stars (Beyoncé, Taylor Swift, Ariana Grande, Sabrina Carpenter) are used as “scarlet women” or “vessels” for occult currents in mass entertainment (26:41–31:46).
  • “They channel spirits through her, through Sasha Fierce, through Oshun, which, by the way, the Oshun goddess is one of the pantheon of Yoruba...” (28:55)
  • Discussion of voodoo, Santeria, and the conflation of African, South American magico-religious practices into the modern music industry.

7. Gender, Power, and Ritual in the Occult

• Women’s Role: Despite being vital for ritual, women in the O.T.O. and its variants are vehicles, not possessors, of magical power: “You are not the possessor of the solar phallic consciousness.” (33:24)

8. Conspiracies, Technocracy, and “Mark of the Beast”

• Symbolic Takeover: The O and X recur in Crowley/Grant’s symbolism, now surfacing in tech and money systems (e.g., Twitter/X). Isaac and Jamie discuss this as more than coincidence (41:20).
• The Crossroads and Gateways: Symbology around crossroads, the number 23, and other magical numbers used to “open the way” (43:44). The Kundalini, stairways/ladders (Jacob’s Ladder), and various “currents” as metaphors for spiritual/extra-dimensional contact (43:44–45:47).

9. Atomic Bomb, UFOs, and Alien Contact

• Atomic Age as Magical Ritual: Grant contended (and Crowley hinted) that events like the atomic bomb opened portals to other entities, explaining spikes in UFO phenomena beginning in 1947 (57:00–62:30).
  • “Nuclear testing [is] opening up the doorways and upsetting the balance of the cosmos ... and that other life forms could detect this and start looking towards Earth.” (57:05)
• Entities: Physical or Interdimensional? Ongoing debate whether Grant envisioned “aliens” as tangible beings or as astral/interdimensional entities.

10. Art, Artists, and Mediums as Occult Conduits

• Artists as Gateways: “Artists, poets, the mystics are important to evoke elements of this magical system ...” (44:12). David Lynch’s work (notably Twin Peaks) analyzed as modern artistic channeling of these ideas.
• Music, Mood, and Occult Currents: Discussion of how music and media tune audiences to certain frequencies, opening them up to influence (53:12–54:23).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Kenneth Grant’s Writings:
  “If you understand this on the first stab ... you’ve been in this a long time.” (11:14, Isaac)
• On the Danger and Bizarre Practices of the Occult:
  “Do you want to do magic? Okay. Do you want to drink pee and hold in your bodily functions ... this is magic.” (06:49, Jamie)
• On Artists as Mediums:
  “Artists, poets, painters, mystics ... are the most sensitive to contact with these aliens and entities.” (44:12, Isaac)
• On Symbolism Now Pervading Pop Culture and Tech:
  "When Twitter, which is now X, is this sign and symbol ... and you can’t buy or sell without this mark, you’re gonna care." (01:35, Jamie)
• On Personal Approach:
  “I am not a Kenneth Grant expert ... You could spend a lifetime to understand Kenneth Grant reading all of his books.” (04:18, Isaac)
• On the Role of Women:
  “If you’re interested in magic as a woman ... there is no place for you as a female in the like, top position ... you are not the possessor of the solar phallic consciousness.” (33:33, Jamie)
• On Atomic Testing as Occult Event:
  “...In most cases refuses to investigate the swiftly swelling ocean of evidence ... all kinds of outer theories allegedly supported by even weirder hallucinations have seeped into popular media...” (61:01, Isaac quoting Grant)
• On Pop Artists as Vessels:
  “They utilize these women for their rituals, for them to create the world into the ... their will. Right. This is all about magicians and for them to create the world that they want.” (33:33, Isaac)

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• 00:47–02:50: Jamie’s story of discovering Kenneth Grant, earliest impressions, and Mark of the Beast as O/X.
• 04:18: Isaac’s disclaimer and journey into researching occultism for symbolism.
• 10:08–11:10: Transmission of Eastern tantra into the West via Grant, and the kundalini “gate” concept.
• 13:05–14:51: Crowley vs. Grant on sexual magic, Scarlet Woman, and ritual details.
• 22:13–24:13: The Typhonian tradition, stellar mythos, and “Divine Mother.”
• 26:41–31:46: Modern celebrity as Scarlet Woman, with extended examples (Beyoncé, etc.).
• 33:24–33:33: The persistent subordination of women in ceremonial magic and the O.T.O./Grant context.
• 41:20–45:47: Meaning of the X and O, crossroads symbolism, and its contemporary echoes.
• 57:00–62:30: Atomic bomb as magical portal, Grant and Crowley’s reflections on UFOs, Book of the Law.
• 65:07–67:57: Grant’s encounter with Crowley, sigils, and the contemporary use of related symbols (Elon Musk, Twitter/X).
• 69:21: Concluding remarks on Grant's “true occult knowledge.”

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Episode Tone & Language

• Engaged, irreverent, but deeply researched: The hosts balance humor and frankness (“Rated R, guys. Sorry.”), but never stray into endorsement of the rituals they discuss.
• Accessible despite density: Emphasis is placed on how impenetrable and overwhelming Grant’s work can be—even dedicated researchers often feel “in over [their] head.”
• Critical but open: Jamie and Isaac approach topics critically, but remain open to discussing the practical, psychological, and cultural impact of occult traditions.

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Conclusion

This episode presents a dense yet accessible primer on Kenneth Grant’s occult legacy, linking his ideas to broader developments in Western esoterica and modern pop culture. Jay and Isaac provide a rare bridge between academic, conspiratorial, and mainstream perspectives, emphasizing the centrality of symbols, altered states, gender roles, and the oft-unseen hand of “elite” occultists in shaping the world we live in—while always maintaining a healthy skepticism and curiosity.

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For More:

• Isaac Weishaupt’s podcast: Occult Symbolism and Pop Culture (YouTube)
• Jay Dyer’s further explorations of techno-paganism, Kenneth Grant, and the technocracy on upcoming episodes.

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End of Summary

Transcript

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[Jamie]

welcome back to Hogwarts, guys. I've got your professor, Isaac Weishaupt, one of this channel's favorites, the OG Tinfoil hat, my friend. How are you doing, Isaac?

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Hey, Jamie, it's good to see you again. It's been far too long, so thanks for having me back on here.

[Jamie]

And you're a full blown professional. Tinfoil hat. You do it full time now. And we are going to talk about Kenneth Grant today because this is somebody that not a lot of people talk about. And I'm going to have you explain why this is important. But one day we went to England for the conspiracy conference AV2. So that was back in maybe like 2009, I think, like so long ago. And we were going to this famous occult bookstore called Treadwell's. And like, we're going to pick out one book each, you know, because we're traveling kind of on a budget. And this is the one I picked out. Al Shukroli in the Hidden God by Kenneth Grant. Never heard of this author before, but I had heard of Aleister Crowley back then, so I was very curious. And these are so expensive now. You have two? I have two. I have Alster Crowley and the Hidden God. And I have Cults of the Shadow. And this is crazy because when I crack this open, one of the first chapters, he talks about the Mark of the Beast. Now that's something that is, you know, a topic of speculation for everybody of all time, right? What is the Mark of the Beast? Well, to occultists, he says that it is a O and an X. And that is a symbol that you're gonna see a lot in pop culture. And when I kind of came out with this, everyone's like, who gives a shit, right? Nobody cares and we care. You're gonna care when Twitter, which is now X, is this sign and symbol, and when it becomes a bank and one of the leading, you know, money manipulators on the planet and you can't buy or sell without this mark, you're gonna care. So that's just one of the weird things that you can get From Kenneth Grant. We're going to talk about a whole bunch more. And so I want to start out. Why don't you just begin by telling us who this dude is and why should we care?

[Isaac Weishaupt]

So Kenneth Grant. And, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna throw out a big old caveat here that I am, because, you know, because, you know, I've known you since I've started this. And I also am an outsider looking in on the occult. I, I am an orthodox Christian who does not practice these things. My understanding of them increases over time. I've got a lot of catching up to do. I just, like you have focused on the pop culture elements of it and have been looking at symbols and trying to understand why these things happen and is it really happening? And I've traveled a lot in my journey of trying to understand all this. And I'm familiar enough to know who, you know, Aleister Crowley is and who Kenneth Grant is. And now I find myself trying to dig into their teachings, I guess, to try to understand them on a deeper level, because I saw these symbols just, you know, like everyone else does, and, and I said, oh, my goodness, there's the symbol of the all seeing eye or whatever, you know, and reference it to some people. But now I'm kind of in the stage of, okay, but what were they saying about this? And what did they mean by this? And is there validity to this? Are they really able to change our world with this? Like, are these people crazy or are they leg, or are they doing legit, legitimate practices that could be considered dangerous?

[Jamie]

The answer is yes to both of those.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

I agree. I agree totally. In fact, I just, I just got back from Vegas and a lot of people get mad at me. I'm a, I, I'm a terrible Christian. I don't follow the teachings. Like, I'm supposed to just throw that out there. Call me a heathen, I don't care. I. That's why I stay out of people's business. And that's why I don't condemn a cultist and say, oh my God, they're the worst people. I try to understand them because I also am like, man, Sometimes I have my doubts. I don't live up to my standards often. So I say all that to say this. We went, me and my wife went to a. Do a tarot reading at this psychic along the side of the road, because, long story short, we were kind of looking in this neighborhood where her mother lived, and we were talking about going to a psychic when we were somewhere else. And we ended up not doing it. And it was at this light. She looks over, boom, there's a. There's a psychic, does tarot readings. She's like, do you want to do it? I was like, I don't care. Let's do it. And ironically, the. The. The psychic she was. She had a lot of Christian symbols throughout her studio. And I wish I want to make contact with her again to ask her more about stuff. But anyway, my point is, she did this tarot reading, and she was. She knew so much that there's just no way she came up with this stuff out of nowhere. About who, about what our relationship looks like, things we're thinking about, plans for our future. It's stuff that we've literally been kicking around. And she just knew exactly what was going on. Because usually I think these people are charlatans, right? So it really got me wondering, right? And now I'm like, man, I know that these magicians, they believe in this stuff, and I believe that they believe in this stuff. And I do think that they are capable of making contact with entities. And that's why. Precisely why I would never advocate for people to do this, because I think that's dangerous. Just because I used to do ghost hunting and stuff and put. Put myself in contact with entities as well and had a lot of crazy stuff happen. So anyway, I say all that to say this is that. Thanks for having me on. I am not a Kenneth Grant expert there. These guys, these magicians have got so much literature out there, and there's so much information. You could spend a lifetime to understand Kenneth Grant reading all of his books.

[Jamie]

I mean, there's so much labyrinthine thing. Like, that's what I. I can only read one of these every couple years because it's so dense. It's so gross. It's so packed. Like, you want to do magic? Okay. Do you want to drink pee and hold in your bodily functions and like, put the poo poo and the pee pee and like all of this gross stuff. This is magic. And this is what came out of Al Shukroly into the oto. And also this dovetails into science, fict into aliens, like you write in your books, right? This is very parallel the. The demonic world and the alien world, right?

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Yeah. That's what the. That's what the alien phenomenon is. According to everything I've ever read and everything I believe is that these are interdimensional entities. They don't live on another planet and show up in little spaceships. These are ultra Terrestrials. And that's what the. The disclosure effort is trying to get us to understand. But there's a big gap between sort of public knowledge of things versus what's really going on. And Kenneth Grant was devoted mostly into making contact with these entities. So, like I said, there's going to be a million guests you could have on that know way more about Kenneth Grant. I'm scratching the surface. And there was nine books. Well, let me start at the beginning and we'll kind of walk through why I think all of this matters. So Kenneth Grant, he was born on May 23, which, right off the bat, ties you into, like, Discordia Day, right? Which is like the. The Law of fives and the 23 enigma.

[Jamie]

23 skidoo.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

23 skidoo. And. And which they were. Discordians were obviously using chaos magic, as was Kenneth Grant. So we're off to a crazy start to begin with. And he. From what I've read between, like, Wikipedia and I've listened to a couple of interviews with people that have dug into Kenneth Grant. He was raised interested in the occult and had read occult books. I had heard that his grandfather had a library that he had read. But either way, he was into the mystical side of things. And he joins the military in the hopes of getting stationed in India so that he could find his guru. Ends up getting medically discharged, so that didn't work out. But then decides to make contact with Aleister Crowley.

[Jamie]

Well, that makes sense. Let me put a pause on your story, because a lot of these books are about tantra and the sex magic of the west mixed with sex magic of the East. And I actually happen to have this book also, which he mentions the Jewel and the Lotus. So this is all about the famous survey of the sexual culture of the East. And this was actually on Elvis Presley's nightstand when he died. So he was interested in theosophy and philosophy and tantra and that kind of stuff. And if you go to Graceland, there's like, a little museum where they have his books, actually, that he was reading, you know, when he died. And this one was like, on. On the stack. And I have this. And guess where I got it. Can you see where it says.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Oh, funny.

[Jamie]

Yeah, Occupy Wall Street, New York City. So it's, like, crazy.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

You got that in New York City?

[Jamie]

Yeah. So they had a little library at the Occupy Wall street in New York. And I just kind of there. And then, you know, the police came and busted the whole thing. So you can't take it back. But Yeah, I got that from there. But that's what we're talking about. Indian sex magic. And I wanted to make the point that all of this is coming to the west through yoga and through the New Age movement and what he calls the use of the kundalini to establish a gate in space through which the extraterrestrial energies may enter and manifest on earth. So that's why he was so interested in India.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

And. And that's what. So if people are trying to get into Kenneth Grant, I. My recommendation is to read Peter Lavenda because he has a way of explaining it better than Kenneth Grant does if you're not deep into the world of the occult. Because just like you said, these books are incredibly dense. I mean, one page will take you 30 minutes sometimes, if you want to really know what he's saying.

[Jamie]

It has a Sanskrit glossary in the back.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

I'm telling you, like, this is. This is some next level stuff. If you understand this on the first stab. Like you, you're. You've been in this a long time. But, yeah, he, he, he ends up trying to get a hold of Aleister Crowley because he couldn't get his guru in India. And in 1945, he actually, you know, makes contact with Crowley. Crowley was really old at this point. He dies in 47. Right. So he was in his late 60s, and Crowley's broke and on drugs. So he says, all right, Kenneth Grant, you can come by and you can. You can be my secretary and my gopher, and I can't pay you any money because I'm broke. But, you know, if you come do stuff, I'll let you into my library and I'll teach you magic and all this stuff.

[Jamie]

So.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

And it sounded old, like he was pretty. You know, Crowley was kind of a nasty dude, and he was kind of. He was kind of rude to Kenneth Grant and verbally abusive, if you can believe that. And it reminded me of Diddy from making the band on mtv. You know, he was making the people go. Go to get milk across town and crazy stuff, right?

[Jamie]

Humiliation stuff.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Yeah, yeah, humiliation stuff. And Crowley tasks Grant to make some magical writings. And he's really impressed by what he reads. So he's like, all right, cool. So he initiates him into, you know, thalima argentum astrum, silver star, and the oto, which I don't know specifically what that means, if that means he subjected him to rituals of the intimate variety, if you know what I'm saying. I don't know, because that was part of the oto I think. I don't remember which degree it was. It was either the 9th, 10th, or.

[Jamie]

No, the 11th or 11th one is supposed to be pee. Peeing the poo poo. But he.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Okay.

[Jamie]

Kenneth Grant actually diverges from Crowley in his opinion that the B hole is the better than the vajay. And so Kenneth Grant thinks that black magic comes from women on their period and these, like, magical secretions that have endocrine juices in them. So that he identifies 16 kinds of vaginal secretions. And so he's saying that the black magic comes from the goddess, like in her lunar, monthly, dark, bloody period phase and. Exactly. A homosexual thing. So that's kind of where they're. They're splitting is he's obsessed with the bodily fluids, and Carly's obsessed with the bunghole.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Rated R, guys. Sorry.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Yeah, they. Yeah, those. Those 16 Kalas are. I. I was. I was. We were. We were walking the dog, my wife and I, and I was trying to explain to her this idea of the 16 colors. And. And she was like, how is there 16 types we were going through and try to name off, you know, without getting too graphic, like, various things that it could be. And we got up to, like, 13, and we were like, I don't know what else there could possibly be. I don't know what the rest are.

[Jamie]

Well, if there's three different kinds in every phase of the ovulation.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Oh, maybe the phase of the moon. Okay, maybe that's it. Maybe that's where I'm getting it wrong.

[Jamie]

You have four phases of an ovulation cycle that. Yeah, 28 days. It takes a man 24 hours, but it takes a woman 28 days to go through his cycle. But anyways, that's.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

It's so wild. Anyway, I'm sure people who have no idea what we're talking about are like, dude, you guys are crazy. Well, we're not crazy. Kenneth Grant's crazy. But, yeah, Kenneth Grant and Crowley, they. They were at odds on a few things. And one of them was Crowley thought that Grant was too. Too much of a dreamer. He was like, you're always, like, kind of out here, and you need to be more in the material world and trying to make changes in the material world, and you're out here talking to crazy entities and stuff. So there was a couple things that they. They disagreed with. But ultimately, when Crowley dies in 47, Kenneth Grant assumes leadership roles in the English OTO and ends up creating a. An English branch called the New Isis lodge. In the 50s and then Carl Germer, who was the American head of the oto, ends up kicking Kenneth Grant out of the OTO because he didn't like that. He was kind of doing a bit of revisionist history of Aleister Crowley's teachings and such. But from what I read, Kenneth Grant was like, I'm not going anywhere. And just kind of kept continually running things somehow. I don't know. This gets into the weeds of, like, weird magical order stuff. But there's lots of drama basically behind Kenneth Grant because he's reorganizing the OTO and trying to incorporate a lot of this tantric sex magic and.

[Jamie]

And making it the Typhonian oto and

[Isaac Weishaupt]

making it the Typhonian oto, which sort of breaks off and becomes its own thing. And a bigger part of it is the. So, like, when it. When the. From when the magic nerds start talking, they talk about currents, right? There's like a magical current that they're trying to sort of jump into the stream of consciousness of whatever magical current. And he thought Kenneth Grant was like, okay, Crowley was actually supposed to be working with the serious or the set current. And. And this. This is where it gets into alien contact, where Crowley apparently wasn't that interested in that, even though he was making contact with Lamb through the Amalantra workings, whatever. Again, major point of contention in the oto, where Kent's like, you need to make contact with these entities, and they're like, no, that's not how this works, and so on, right? But, yeah, he had. He had Kenneth Grant, I believe, through his wife Steffi, Grant was in contact with Austin Osmond Spare, who was another major occultist. And this. And through Spare, Kenneth Grant starts learning about Hinduism and Tantra and sex magic. And that's when all this stuff starts piling together. And ultimately, Grant would create the Typhonian oto, the Typhonian Ordo templi orientis, with the basic idea being that the magicians should be in contact with Typhon. And. And this is where, again, there's probably experts out there that would say, hey, you're getting this a little wrong, but I think I've got the gist of it. I was listening to. If you listen to one on. Juan had a podcast where he interviewed Mario from Symbolic Studies. And Mario had a pretty good grasp on breaking down what all this means, because it's very confusing. But. So Typhon is generally from. From what Mario was saying. Typhon is considered a male deity of sorts, this Greek God of chaos and destruction. But to Kenneth Grant, Apparently Typhon was a feminine force and Set was the male force. Like, these are these, these opposing polarities, and through these two, they connect to, like, the oldest, the oldest understanding of deities. Whereas, like the new magicians, they're in contact with the solar system, which is a male dominated system. And it's like gods of Mars and Venus and the sun and all this stuff was like, what they were worshiping. And Grant was like, no, there's. Why talk to these new gods when you talk to these old gods, the. The ancient ones that H.P. lovecraft would write about in the Cthulhu mythos, going back through Necronomicon and stuff. So that's where a lot of this, A lot of this language comes from, is through HP Lovecraft stuff, which Lovecraft himself was like, hey, I'm just having these dreams and making these crazy books. But Kenneth Grant was like, no, you were really in contact with entities, and so it gets kind of weird. Anyways, my point is the. The Typhon Ordeal is written about by Kenneth Grant in his Typhonian trilogies, which is nine books in total. And looks like you've got the first book, the magical revival from 1972, where he lays out this idea that there was this unconscious connection between Aleister Crowley's magic and HP Lovecraft's dream world. And HP Lovecraft was really in contact with this astral plane, the Akashic record, whatever you want to call it. Then there was Aleister Crowley and the Hidden God. Is that the one you have, or

[Jamie]

do you have magical, Magical Revival? I have this one.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Oh, okay, my bad.

[Jamie]

I have the second one in the Typhon trilogy.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Okay, yeah, that's the second one. And then you got the third one, Cults of the Shadow. And then the fourth one is Night side of Eden. And the fifth one is the one I've got Outside the Circles of Time.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

And then the sixth one is Hakati's Fountain. Seventh one is Outer Gateways. Ninth one is beyond the Mob Zone. I'm sorry, I'm off. I'm off record here. What did I say? So the seventh one is outer gateways. Eighth one is beyond the mob zone. Ninth one is the ninth arch, which he wrote in 2002 and he died in 2011. I just. I started the beyond the Mob Zone, and I was like, dude, I gotta tap out. This is too much.

[Jamie]

I know, man. You. It takes like, I go maybe one chapter every couple days in these, and it's a lot.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

It's. It's super dense. And I actually was on The, I bought them because you're right, they're super expensive. If you buy the original prints, they're, they're, you're going to pay hundreds of dollars. But if you. I went to JD Holmes's website to order mine and these were I think 65 bucks a piece hardback cover. And I went on there and loaded up my cart this morning with. They've got all eight. Well, no, I'm sorry, eight of the nine they have in hardback for about 65 a piece. The first one is the only one that they didn't have a hardback. They had a paperback. Was it the Magical Revival? So I was looking on ebay and you can get a copy of that in hardcover for, you know, 150 bucks. But I mean you're going to be in 500 bucks for all these books and you're going to get them all and you're going to, unless you're an expert, you're going to read, read this and be like, dude, I don't know what he's talking about.

[Jamie]

Yeah, you're like, what is an Ophidian current? So he talks a lot about that. He mentions that, I'm sure in the books that you have, right? The Ophidian current.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Yeah. And from what I understand they use, from what I understand they use a lot of sort of akas when they talk about the Typhonian tradition. They're talking about this great Mother and it goes by a variety of names like, like Babylon or Nuit, but it's all referencing this idea of Isis, of. Yeah, Isis. It's all going back to the original gods of Typhon and Set, which is order and chaos, you know, or I should say chaos and order the way I said it there. Because Typhon's related to chaos, Set is related to order. And these, all, these are all sort of referenced by various terms like the stellar mythos, the Lovecraftian tradition, the cleopathic current. And it go, it just keeps going on and on. But the Ophidian Mysteries, which is like an African cult version of it, the Draconian tradition, but every single one of these from what I understand is referencing the cult of the Mother because we're living in a male solar system now and the stellar polar system is about tapping into the Divine mother, which you'll also see to sort of relate it into modern day events. You'll see a lot of, a lot of people like Chris Bledsoe was talking about how the year 2026 is going to be the year that we make contact with the Divine Mother because he had a vision of when he was visited by aliens. He, he, the alien called herself Hathor, which is another sort of name for this divine mother. And then you had Jake Barber, the guy who said he was retrieving egg shaped u craft for the government, and he said that when he was near this craft, he felt the presence of the Divine Mother. Are all these things related? I, I presume it to be. So I don't know what, what we do with this information, but. Well, that seems like that's what they're trying to reveal.

[Jamie]

That makes a lot of sense into my studies and in talk I just did at a conference in Florida talking about Mother Earth, Sibily. I'm sure you're familiar with that goddess Sibily and all of the mother goddesses of Anatolia and how their cults and their worshipers were T R A n s and they were very big into body modification, castration. The whole mythos of Cybele and Addis the bull is like she was his, some kind of mother figure to him and then trying to marry him, and then he killed himself and castrated himself because he didn't want to marry his mother. So all these tales, the gods and goddesses are getting really weird. But what the point I was trying to make. Well, we're all trying to make, and Isaac is doing a great job at this right now, is that they take these women for ritual and they call them scarlet women. And the most recent one that you have done was you were talking about Sabrina Carpenter. So I just wanted to read what he's saying in Cults of the Ship Shadow about how they use the women in the ritual. So he says the human embodiment of this ophidian current, which is the serpent, which is the Kundalini, Right. This is what he's talking about. The, the fire snake that rises up when you have a climax and it's supposed to enlighten you. So the human embodiment of the ophidian current can occur only in female initiates possessing a peculiar constitution which enables them to transmit its occult energies. Such women appeared anciently as temple prostitutes, pythonesses, high priestesses and suvasanes of the tantric cults. The formula of the holy whore has persisted into modern times in Alshacroli's cult of love under will with its scarlet woman. In Austin Spares Zos Kia, cultist in Michael Bertio's voodoo cult of the black snake. And he says, with its female demons and whores of hell, who for all their Harlotries hold keys to the gates of paradise. So it's funny that we were talking about Kalas because in these tantric rituals in the kala circle that he talks about, if you upset the priestess, the juices could come out toxic and be interesting instead of life giving.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Oh, that's fascinating.

[Jamie]

All that to say. Can you tell us real quick, just recently, how you connected Sabrina Carpenter to being a scarlet woman? Not that she's in this. I'm just saying they use these people as idols of this.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Right, right. And, and you know that. And that's like a lot of these. I think that's where we get into a lot of trouble. You know, I've been, I've been booted off of the. I'm actually rebuilding my YouTube, the quick plug to my, my new YouTube, my third YouTube I'm rebuilding yet again. And it is a, it's at. Occult symbolism is the, the new channel.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

And when we talk about these, when we talk about these, these artists, right, they're. They're coveted by the system that is using them, basically.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

And like I talk about like I pick on like Beyonce or whatever. And this is where I've gotten in trouble in the past because I've talked about Taylor Swift, I've talked about Ariana Grande and the symbolism that they provide and so on. That's what's got me in trouble. So with, with any of these people, like with Beyonce, this is a good example. So she's talked about it on interviews that when she performs, there's a spirit named Sasha Fierce that takes over her body and controls her. Then a couple years later, she's like, oh, the, the, the. This Sasha Fierce spirit, she's dead. I. We killed her. And then she comes out Shun, which is a Yoruba goddess. And there's a big, you know, the sort of like woke side of the news is like, oh, look at this, look at this. You know, she's a goddess because she's doing this and bringing awareness to, you know, non Christian religions. And, and I'll talk about it, and I'll talk about it being a sort of pagan religion. And people get like mad about that. And I'm like, that's. That's what it is. I mean, it's just, it's a, it's a worship of multiple gods. So it gets really like sensitive for people because the news and the mainstream media sort of proposition this as some kind of woman empowerment thing, when in reality it's the opposite. Just like you were saying, where these Magicians use these women. And I'm saying that. Yes, I am saying that. I think they utilize Beyonce to channel spirits through her, through Sasha Fierce, through Oshun, which, by the way, the. The Oshun goddess is one of the pantheon of Yoruba and Yoruba. So when. When. I know I'm getting off topic here, but when.

[Jamie]

That's when they. It goes into voodoo in Africa.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Yes. And when they. When they brought the slaves from Africa to America, they. The people had to change their religion and pretend they were doing Catholicism and worshiping saints, when in reality they would assign a sort of replacement of whatever goddess or God from the Yoruba into a Catholic saint. And from here you get into voodoo, which is very similar. And I recently did a show about Skrilla, the guy, the rapper who did the dude dude six seven song, who the. The six seven sigil is. You know, everyone. All the kids are doing the 67 thing. And it's a sigil because that's what the rapper who came up with it literally said. He said that this. This thing came to him and that he also is a practitioner of Santeria, which is a mix of these same elements of like Yoruba gods and goddesses that takes, you know, sacrifices of animals. And he talks about how you can use it to curse somebody. And these are all legitimate practices that they're using. So anyway, my point is that. That. That Beyonce come out and. And did a. Sort of became the goddess of Yoruba at this point. And then she does a. A movie like a. Like a music video movie called Black is King. And in Black is King, she is shown. You can see that There's a number 777, which I tie into Aleister Crowley's sigil for the star of Babylon. Again, the Babylon is the feminine goddess and the scarlet woman into all that stuff. So the. Yeah, anyway, so. So you'll find all this stuff. And then it's alleged that Beyonce is also doing witchcraft. And I say that because her drummer come out and said she was doing witchcraft and sacrificing animals, which obviously she denied.

[Jamie]

Well, since we're speaking about that, she had a song where she was naming things that would go into some kind of voodoo initiation, like wearing all white, covering your mirrors up in the house. Else she even talked about, you know, using the Bible as to stop her menstrual flows.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Oh, really?

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Oh, yeah. The. Yeah, she talked about using pages of the Bible to plug her mensis or whatever she said the line she said. And I.

[Jamie]

And.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

And then Also in black is King. She's wearing this very peculiar red dress which is identical to the dress that they wear in Suspiria, which is a movie about witchcraft, a witchcraft covenant at a dance studio. I mean, like, it's just, it's, it's there constantly and I, and if you, if you say that, you know, people will deny it and pretend that. No, these artists aren't used for anything like that. And you're picking on them and this is bullying, you know, is what they say.

[Jamie]

You've seen Diddy's back tattoo, right? Is.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't remember the name of it, but yeah, it's like a voodoo goddess, right?

[Jamie]

Or zuli. Yeah. So I mean, providentially, this is the Chapter 2 of Cults of the Shadow, all about how the Afro tantric tarot is all from, you know, the, the old gods, like you're saying the old African Odua and Abdallah and those like, creator, the serpent in the rainbow lore of voodoo. He talks about Shango. He talks about a legba, a papa legba. I'm sure you've heard of that. He's the foul. Oh, there's one point I wanted to make. So if you're interested in magic as a woman and all of this gross stuff, there is no place for you as a female in the like, top position because this is a solar phallic cult. This is not. Not even though they use the feminine principle of woman is never going to attain the status of like a magician as far as like Alistair Crowley is concerned, because you are just some kind of vehicle. You are not the possessor of the solar phallic consciousness.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Yeah, that's, that's the big point. I got off track there. But yeah, it's, it's. They utilize these women for their rituals, for them to create the world into the. Their will. Right. This is all about magicians and for them to create the world that they want. And it's, it's no different than Crowley having the scarlet women who they've. They're using these sex magic rituals and so on. And you were talking about the, the African influence. And Peter Lavender talks at length about this in the Dark Lord, a book about Kenneth Grant and how and in fact Genesis P O Ridge, who passed away was. I was emailing with Genesis before. You know, Genesis goes by the they them pronouns. I was emailing with Genesis before they died and there was a lot of. I didn't understand at the time because this is. I don't remember 2014. Or 2015. Because Genesis was interested in what I was saying and trying to correct me on some things. I was also very new in my sort of learning about the occult. I didn't even believe it was Genesis. So I was like, get out of here. Is this really them? And anyways, it was. And we went back and forth a bunch and there was a lot of interest that Genesis had in going to Africa and stuff. And I didn't understand it at the time. I wish I did. I hadn't read the Dark Lord yet. But there. There seems to be interested in like these. These Seti and cults, like, called the Yazidi, which are like these actual Satan worshipers in Africa.

[Jamie]

Chapter three, in Cults of Shadow, he goes into that and the Yazidis and the peacock is a symbol of Lucifer. And so I think that's why that was put in Suspiria.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Yes. Yes. Yeah, that's a big part of that. Right? And Suspiria is. I don't remember if it's Suspiria or Inferno, the other Argento movie, but yeah, Helena Marcos, who's like the. The sort of witch coven leader. She could be the sort of primordial Great mother Typhon. You could argue, perhaps. Yeah. These books. I know, I know, we're supposed to like, dig into notes here.

[Jamie]

Well, let's do it, because we're on.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Okay.

[Jamie]

Chapter three, Calls of the Shadow. So tell me what the ones that you have are, because I already know about these.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Okay, so. So what's interesting with Kenneth Grant and. Okay, so with Kenneth Grant, when I. The reason I bought Outside the Circles of Time is because I did a. My 55 episode Twin Peaks deep dive called the Gray Lodge on my Patreon, which I'm working on the. Of that. Right. The book version of that. Right now I'm hoping to get it done by spring. And when that happens, it won't be an exclusive Patreon show. I'm gonna drop it onto a free feed so people can listen to it for free. But that's. We're months away from that. Anyway, the reason I bought this book was because in the storyline of Twin Peaks, there is an element of the Trinity bomb blast. And supposedly it being a portal that ripped open through which entities can come through, which David lynch depicts in an episode of Twin Peaks. And I couldn't find a lot of great resources of people talking about this besides just something I. I had heard in passing. So I was like, I'm going right to the source. So I bought this book Right about Outside the Circles of Time, which is where he supposed. Where he does talk about it. And I quickly realized I was in over my head. I also realized now that you gotta, it seems like you gotta start at the beginning of the Typhonian trilogy because

[Jamie]

he's referencing, he does reference himself a lot.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Yeah. So that's why I actually bought both of these books for that purpose of the Twin Peaks Deep Dive. And now I'm like, oh crap, I gotta start at the first book. And I'm not up for the challenge, but I, but I will eventually. So I'm thinking about just buying them while I can still get them because that J.D. holmes has the, the reprint and like once they're out of print, I, you know, back to 300 a copy, I guess.

[Jamie]

Yeah, yeah,

[Isaac Weishaupt]

yeah. But yeah, the, the whole thing with Outside the Circles of Time, without going too deep into the weeds of like what he's saying he is. My understanding is that he is talking about these different Aons, right. These different ages of mankind, which is something I found interesting because that relates to modern day thinking about the Dark Enlightenment. And a lot of people who think, a lot of these elites think this way. They think that there's these repeating cycles of society, mankind, nature, what have you. And they sort of tried to facilitate whatever is supposed to happen next. And that's kind of what he's talking about in here. And you know, he talks about the, the Crowley Aeons, like the Aeon of Isis, the Aeon of Osiris and the Aeon of Horus, which supposedly we were in the Aeon of Horus when, when the Holy Guardian angel of Crowley spoke to him in 1904. And it's supposed to be all about the individual versus the Ann of Osiris, which was a patriarchal society, versus the Aon of Isis, which was the matriarchal society. Now again, you get into the weeds of this stuff and it gets very confusing. Supposedly what he talks about in the book is that Crowley had a. What's called the new comment on the Book of the Law and proposed a fourth age, a fourth Aeon, and it's the worship of Mott M A A T. Anyway, so like, you know, there's, there's a lot of talk about this kind of stuff. So it's, it's pretty boring. It's pretty confusing. But the point is that there was different ages and Aons, and there was even, even clarifies that there was aeons before the, the matriarchal Aon of Isis. There was this Aon of the Void and the Aon of Chaos and the A Aon of Earth. And it just goes on and on. So that's kind of the gist of what he's setting up for the whole book. And then he goes into detail about these things. And what's interesting is that it talks about. In this book as well. He references the Night side of Eden, and he talks about the woman. Since we were talking about this, the woman being a vehicle of the divine, a vehicle for the superhuman influence, which I read as channeling entities through a female. Right. Through the scarlet woman, through the call.

[Jamie]

A circle is what he calls it.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Is that what he calls in cults of shadow?

[Jamie]

Yeah. So he call a circle, call a K A U, L, A. So, like the juices, the emanations that come out of the priestess, I guess they circle around her and no one's allowed to touch her. But she comes to climax by herself. And the priests have to hold in their function.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Yeah. Like Sting, right? Didn't Sting talk about this with Tantra? You had to. You have to hold back.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Who introduced that concept into the West? For sure, the police. But, yeah, so that's what's going on.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

And I think that the X and the O, to go back to that mark of the beast, I. I've also heard it discussed as the. The O is the void or the. The yoni or the feminine, and the X is the masculine or the Osiris. Because the. Because the resurrection of Osiris is often symbolized as an X. Because of Osiris buried with his arms crossed. It gets really crazy. And then there was. There's, like. When you look at the. The tomb of Osiris, they depict him with his arms crossed. And then he's also got these. What do you call, like, scepters or whatever, that those are crossed and supposedly his legs are also crossed. Like, that's very important. And I would think that. That. Because they're talking about. Collins and they're talking about bodily functions in different initiation rituals that we're talking about the. The chi energies of the body, kind of like the. The kundalini energy. Because they're. Because that's what they're always talking about is as a. Like a law of correspondence thing. This as above. So below that, what's happening within the body is the same as what's happening outside in the cosmos, in the universe. And manipulating one is equivalent to manipulating the other. Anyway, like, the X and O is supposedly like another representation of basically sex, magic.

[Jamie]

Well, crossroads is very important to this. And this goes back to voodoo also, because, you know, the God of the crossroads and the X, so he calls it the phallus and the kidis K T I N S. I think Grant does. But what they're trying to do is come in contact with the spirit world. And the crossroads is a picture of that. So he's got these several types of crosses. I just kind of doodled these that he's talking about. And the eight petaled lotus would be another, like, symbol of all of these crosses, crossroads, because that's where you come in contact with the gods. This also goes back to Babylon, why they're building all of these ziggurats and the Tower of Babel, not because they think they can get there physically, but because they can reach heaven. Like as in telephone or as in, you know, if. If you call somebody on the phone, were you actually there, but you were able to reach them, is what I'm trying to say.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Yeah. And doesn't he talk about the Stairway to Heaven a bunch? Kenneth Grant, as sort of like a Jacob's Ladder of the magician, is able to sort of reach up and make contact with these entities through certain positioning of the stars and magic rituals and things like that?

[Jamie]

Well, not only that, but the spine is also. He talks about the ladder of ascension is the kundalini going up through the vertebrae to the top of the head.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Yeah, I think he compares those two. And there's a lot of. There was something else in outside the circles where he talks about the numbers 9 and 11 being a formula of OTO magic. Because 9 and 11 produced the number 20, which is the. The name of the new Aeon. Again, like, he. He rattles off names and weird numbers and things that is very sort of difficult to track. But that's the gist of it, is that the pro. The product of 911 is 20, which is the number for the new age, which obviously 9 11, a massive sort of ritual event. It's sort of fits in line with this stuff. And when you look at it, when you try to understand that these elites are using these occult practices to create new realities for us so that they can have their will done, then you can see how it's possible that these things are really happening on some level. He also talks in this book about the. The artists, the poets, the painters, the mystics as being important to evoke elements of this magical system and. And being the most sensitive to contact with these aliens and entities. Like. Like, you know, the Cthulhu type stuff. The HP Lovecraft stuff, which again, ties us into this idea of, well, that's why Beyonce and these other artists are used to these entities, because he says it right in this book that they're the most sensitive to this kind of thing.

[Jamie]

Oh, I totally agree. So, yeah, they're the sensitive ones to the gateways to the other dimensions. And he talks about the crossroads became the gate of egress for departing spirits. And the African sorcerer, as well as the West Indian Brahmin performs rights at the crossroads, because this is a point of departure which leads to Amenta, which is the hall of the dead, where Osiris. Right, the realm of the shadow. And he says the phallus in the vulva, which is the O and the X, makes the crossing into spirit. In Voodoo, rights emphasis is laid upon the dimensions or pathways between the cardinal points. So they're also exploring not just like universe A and universe B, but like what is in that little tiny sliver between the doorways. And this is where they think those chthonic entities live, or what you would call the HP Lovecraft. Cthulhu's Catholic just means from the underworld. But yeah, yeah.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

And that's. And that's kind of what we saw in Stranger Things, right? Did you watch season five? New season. Yeah. Because, like, obviously the beginning of Stranger Things, the series, they talk about the upside down, which is equivalent to what Kenneth Grant would call the dark side of the Kabbalistic tree of life, where the Kleepoth are, right, where these, these, these, these dark entities reside. And they would traverse that dark side of the tree of life through the tunnels of set. And in season five, they of course continue on in this journey. And then we find out that there's yet another realm called the Abyss, which is again, another reference to going through the Kabbalistic tree of life, through the Dea, through the abyss, to reach the other side. And Henry, who is the sort of basically Vecna, the bad guy. Henry talks about how the whole purpose of what he's doing is to overcome the restrictions of time and space, which is a very Saturnian ideal. And. But what's curious about season five is that the, the big talking point about the show that the media was sure to talk about non stop was that there's a scene of Will coming out of the closet. And it's actually a very minor blip on this show. I mean, it's. I don't know, five minutes of, I don't know how many hours season five is. It's got to be like 12 hours. But anyway, they. They were sure to talk about this, right? To raise controversy. Well, we also find out in season five that Will is the one responsible for creating the Tunnels of Set. He's. They called him tunnels. And I'm saying it's a. Analogous to the Tunnels of Set, which in Kenneth Grant's system, the Tunnels of Set is a reference to. What's the right way of saying this? Sodomizing, I guess. Okay, what's the safe. What's the safe word to say?

[Jamie]

I was just gonna say tunnels of Typhon. Is that the same thing?

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Might be.

[Jamie]

I don't know right now, because I think that is the same thing.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

It might be. I mean, I guess Typhon and Set were two different entities to Kenneth Grant. So maybe, maybe, maybe not, though.

[Jamie]

Typhon was Set's mother, I think.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Yeah. Typhon is supposed to be the feminine great mother, and she creates Set as the first sort of manifestation of the.

[Jamie]

The.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

The goddess or whatever. So, yeah, it. And there's a lot of kabbalistic references. They call that because Vecna is taking all these children and abducting them and then putting them in his, like, these goo pods and putting these. Putting these, like, things in their mouth, which is very much like H.R. giger's stuff, which it was exactly. Is exactly like H.R. giger and his alien stuff, which, if you re. If you get into that. H.R. giger said. Yeah, his whole thing was sort of. Of have these sexual elements that were really dark and grotesque and fluids and

[Jamie]

all of the goo. Goo.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Yes. Well, it's too much to be a coincidence, in my opinion.

[Jamie]

It's crazy because he says in Cults of the Shadow, bodily fluids help build the astral body and have the ability to create new dimensions. He says urine is bisexualizing agent, which, if ingested at certain times of the month, creates androgyny. I don't know who wants to test this out. He talks about burned feces. Ashes are used in Tantric rituals. He talks all about semen retention, which doesn't sound very fun, but whatever. And yeah. Do you want to drink pee? Do you want to do magic? Oh, that's what I was going to say. So Crowley said in Cults of the Shadow, Grant said Crowley said he was bringing back the ancient Sumerian Mesopotamian gods. He said that Ayahuasp was Been here since Babylon, basically, and the dark side, the Kleipha, and stuff like that. He is saying that these are somehow related to the Nephilim spirits. Now, he actually said Nephilim in this book. And I'm like, what is this? And the back of the head. So he thinks, like, the lower brain is related to the O and the X, the mark of the beast, the nephilim, the lower functions of the brain, you know, like reptilian.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Oh, okay.

[Jamie]

Functions. And this is all, like, going on in the back of the head. And it's weird because when I met the high priest of the Church of Satan, Rex Church, he had an O in the X implanted on the back of his head.

[Bus Driver]

Oh.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Where was he following this Kenneth Grant?

[Jamie]

I don't know. I. I only met him twice for, you know, not very long. He was super polite, but he did have all of these elements. And I was like, this is getting kind of crazy.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

I often wonder if they don't surround themselves with these symbols and sigils as a way of trying to better see these entities and make contact with these things. Because in. In outside the circles of time, Kenneth Grant talks about that. The fact that some people can experience these entities and some people can't. Meaning that there is a. There's like a filtering out that happens. There's like a level of consciousness that you can achieve to better make contact or see or experience these things. Which is what I think this is all about, is. It's. It's the same with the ghost hunting experience that I had was I started not believing it. But then the more I believed it, it seemed like the more interactions we had to the point where I was like, whoa, I'm not doing this anymore. Like, I believe it. I'm out. This is too weird.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

I think it's about tuning sort of fine tune, you know? You know, they say, like, your reality is composed by the. What your brain pro is programmed to see and do. And I think that's like. There's an element of quantum physics in all of this. I believe.

[Jamie]

What's another weird element. And that's probably why they call those people mediums that can, you know, like, see into the spirit world. Because they're not super smart, they're not super dumb. They're just kind of like medium. But I've been looking into the. The idea that your brain is more of a receiver transmitter. Then you're not actually thinking your own original thoughts. Or sometimes you can be like a RA receiver of picking up what's around you. Have you heard of that?

[Isaac Weishaupt]

No, but I. I believe that. I think that makes sense. I think that, like, I. I best sort of express this idea, talking about music that I know when I listen to certain kind of music I can feel a certain way. Like some music makes me feel energetic and happy and some music makes me feel a little darker and aggressive, you know, because I listen to a lot of hip hop and I have to sort of like palate cleanse that sometimes, you know, like sometimes it just gets me too much and. And I gotta sort of find something a little more. A little more higher frequency or something like that, you know.

[Jamie]

Yeah, oh, definitely. Wash your brain. I have to like scroll through puppies or whatever after I finish.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Yeah, yeah, this.

[Jamie]

Search up some ducklings or something. Well, just for the last like couple minutes, why don't you pull up that book and hold it up and what's outside the circle of time? I've got Cults of the Shadow here. Go through the chapters, crack that open and tell me like what is the heading of each chapter or what is the title of it.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

So they've got the, the table of contents. It's. There's 18 chapters. You've got the Monstrous Soul, Kala's out of Space, Nuclear R and the New Gnosis. The Gates of a Zen, Magical Mannequins, the Double Tongued One, the False Order of the True Paths, Initiation of Aosic, which I thought was the nickname for Kenneth Grant was Ausic or his magical name or something. Then he talks about Ma Ion, which is the. The Aeon of Mott or Matt, I don't know how to pronounce it. The New Isis, Stones of Precious Water and. And Hand. Oh boy. Something and a Hand. And the Mystique of Matt Kabbalahs of Best School. The Watcher in the Tower. Massive Matt Magical Links, forgot ones in the incoming current, which you would think, oh well, let me read all that and make sense of it. And it's really difficult to make sense of it, to be honest.

[Jamie]

Mannequins about.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Let me see here, let me, let me dig in here. So the, the. Yeah, that sounds like aliens, doesn't it? Yeah, let me go there. Here. In fact, that might be the chapter that he. That I referenced for my twin peak stuff. Because the. Yeah, here it says the magical part I've highlighted here. The magical mannequins or dwarf dreamers are identical with the we folk, the little men of fairy lore who were the projections of medieval magicians as saying the great work, I. E. The interpretation and exploration of the ethers. More recent manifestations of these faith folk or little green men are apparent in connection with the phenomenon of so called ufology. So it is a reference to the aliens I'm trying To find. I've got a. I've got a reference here to. I think the most interesting part of the book is the stuff with the nuclear phenomenon which he talks about with the Twin Peaks thing.

[Jamie]

He talks about atomic energy in this one too.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Oh, really?

[Jamie]

Yeah, the key point.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Yeah. And I think. I think that. Here, let me. Let me find it in my. I got my notes because I. The books were too expensive. Usually I write in the margins, but I wouldn't do that with these books because I was like, man, these are too expensive. I'm not. I'm not writing these books. Right. He said, okay. So they. He talks a lot about the dreamer, which obviously ties into Twin Peaks. But the. Okay, here's the passage on. He talks about the nuclear testing opening up the doorways and upsetting the. The balance of the cosmos. And how when the scientists do this, the. The reverberations would be felt as chaos on Earth and that other life forms could detect this and start looking towards Earth, sort of gaining their attention. Right. It's a way of. Whether they know it or not, a way of calling to these entities. He says they are not. They are not mental phenomena, but subtle atmospheric stresses of incalculable tenuosity that are impinging upon and affecting the sphere of mundane consciousness, Malkuth, which is like kind of the. The earthly realm, thus causing the more sensitive of its denizens, the poets, the magicians, the creators, to dream strange dreams and to behold awesome visions. Which. That is why I connected this to Twin Peaks, because David lynch talked over and over and over again about how his whole idea of art was if you have a vision or a dream that your job as the artist is to replicate that dream as close as you could to what it felt like. And if you watch his movies, you'll see kind of the recurring. Same things like Eraserhead's got the same flooring as the Black Lodge and also has an image of the Trinity bomb test. So in his movies, he is basically just trying to show us his dreams. And it makes me wonder if he wasn't the artists that Kenneth Grant was referring to. Right? And he says that many, many of these visions appear to prophecy. Doom and destruction is but one interpretation of that impact, that impingement. Man is approaching the crossroads. Some imagine that he had already reached a stage of technical development that would, in the event of an irresistible misapplication of nuclear energy, upset the balance of the cosmos, causing a return to chaos on Earth and havoc in remote galaxies. In consequence, the denizens of Space, and perhaps also of distant galaxies are investigating the situation here on Earth. Quick pause. And when I read that, it sounds like he's talking about external entities and not this sort of interdimensional type of entity. So again, again, if, if maybe there's like an expert on Kenneth Grant that could clarify, did he believe in physical entities or interdimensional sort of ghost spirit entities? Because I don't really know. Then let me finish this off here. It says, because this gets pretty interesting. He says somebody, some believe that in 1947, not long after man had revealed his stage of technical knowledge with the Hiroshima bomb, wave upon wave of unearthly objects monitor this planet, in some cases actually landing in our midst. And if some, if some accounts are to be believed, causing humans to disappear temporarily or forever from the face of the Earth.

[Jamie]

What?

[Isaac Weishaupt]

I don't know if he means abductions because that's what Enoch was, right? Like the book of Enoch is about how Noah's great grandfather had this experience and he in the Bible just says Enoch went to be with God. It doesn't say he died. It doesn't say he lived forever. It just says he wanted to be with God. And I believe some of the more ancient aliens folks would say that what they're referring to is he got abducted by a UFO or something like that. Okay, last paragraph. Fully documented sightings of UFOs by reliable and not so reliable witnesses now feel volumes. Volumes. And no tale is too wild or too weird to gain credence among the credulous. Understandably official science, whatever the expression may mean, has turned its back upon the whole business and in most cases refuses to investigate the swiftly swelling ocean of evidence. It is no small wonder since Hiroshima, space travel and moon landings that all kinds of outer theories allegedly supported by even weirder hallucinations have seeped into popular media, which he's talking about pop culture, obviously here. And this book was written in 1990. I'm sorry, 1980. 1980. So obviously a different world back then and not the world that we live in today where we're considering these things and you've got disclosure and all this kind of crazy stuff.

[Bus Driver]

Stuff.

[Jamie]

Well, that's what I'm trying to say is like that the aliens are coming, but they're not going to be what they tell you they're not going to. There are. They're going to be these weird interdimensional things that have been here this whole time now, coming out in a childhood end way, trying to deceive you into things. And I Just found out where he was talking about the atomic bomb. In Cults of the Shadow he says Crowley wrote to Frodder. Ptaa. That's one of his magic buddy. Who is ptaa, Louis?

[Isaac Weishaupt]

I don't know who that is.

[Jamie]

From Ville Wilkinson. Anyways, Crowley said the atomic bomb is interesting not only because of liberal chapter three, verse seven and eight, but because of. One of the men who were working on it was for some time at the abbey in Safalu. Did you know that?

[Isaac Weishaupt]

No, I didn't. I've heard. I heard that the Abbey of Safalu. I don't know how you say that. That's the one where. That's the one where he's. Crowley supposedly killed a baby, right? Yeah, he got kicked out of Italy because he was.

[Jamie]

Yes.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

And.

[Jamie]

And they thought that he was. They called him the Mormon because he was. Had plural wives, even though he had nothing to do with Mormonism.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Oh, funny.

[Jamie]

Yeah, they just called him that, the locals did. And so he goes on to say, in 1953, Marjorie Cameron, who claimed to be the Scarlet woman prophesied in Al, supposed that the war engine mentioned in the book of the law was the flying saucer. So I guess that's the verse they're talking about. And I don't know the book of law very well, but when they say liberal, that's book of the law, so they're talking about flying saucer. Crowley, however, in a diary dated 1945, wrote that alleged atomic explosive query, the war engine. So he.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Oh, interesting.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Grant's going over his, like talking about the war and the atomic bomb and the scientific developments of that.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

So it sounds like he's. He was kind of hooked on this idea a little bit. If he wrote it in, you know, your book was the. Let me go back here to my notes here. Your book was the third book and my book was the fifth book, so. And. And I haven't read the other ones yet, so I'm wondering if he kind of. That's why I want to get the whole series because I'm like, okay, I think I gotta start with number one. I thought I could just jump in, but I guess not. And. And oh, and one last thing is. I'm looking at the time.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

I don't want to change subjects on you, though. He talks about. In the. Because I. I have. This is one of my interesting notes. He talks about how he. How he met Aleister Crowley, and he said that Crowley's voice had a power that he felt like could make contact with these Other entities. And Crowley was the one that teaches him how to manifest between the waking world and the dream world. He called it dreaming without falling asleep, which is kind of like lucid dreaming is what it sounds like to me. Me. And when he does this, he has an experience of seeing this. This sigil. And it's the title of the chapter, the Aussic. But the. He says that the number is 300 and it's the letter of Shin, the letter of Shaitan, which is equivalent to sort of like Satan. I believe in that. Yazidi culture is where that term comes from. Don't quote me on that. And anyway, if you look that up, the shin, it looks like a, like a W or the Omega sign, right? And that's what. Do you remember Elon Musk was at a UFC fight not too long ago and there was a big to do about this weird necklace he had that had an all seeing eye and a. And an omega symbol.

[Jamie]

Oh, I never saw that.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Yeah, it's like this weird thing and you know, people were talking about it and it just made me think of. You know, it goes right along with what you were saying with. He renames Twitter X. He's. I think he's named the. He's got like a big AI processing center that's got the name of a. Some kind of Antichrist beast in a book. Oh, I should. I should know this. I lost it. It's on top of my head. Wait a minute, let me, let me look up. It was a super computer is what it was. Colossus. Colossus is a name of, of like the Antichrist in some book somewhere.

[Jamie]

Well, isn't he one of the Titans or something like that?

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Maybe that's it. I. I'm. I'm confusing things. There's a lot of not nonsense that gets shoved in my brain.

[Jamie]

Well, I was just gonna say as we close, you have some great shows on the Dark Enlightenment. I have some with Courtney Turner as well. So if you.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Yeah, she's great.

[Jamie]

Yeah, go listen to all that stuff and you will know what the technocracy is up to, what they feel about you, and how to avoid falling into these kinds of traps that are going to be set for you using like dangling carrots, you know, UBI and stuff like that. Please do not get a X and O tattoo for some kind of universal basic income. I'm begging you. But Isaac, tell us what's new for you, where we can find you and what you're working on.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Oh man, I got so, so many sticks in the fire. Right now I'm working on my Twin Peaks book, and I'm also working on a dark enlightenment book, which is. There's a ton of information in both. But I'm continuously working on my podcast, Occult Symbolism and Pop Culture. And I'm rebuilding my YouTube yet again. Please go and subscribe to Cult symbolism. I have. I'm. I'm working my New Age manifestation. I'm manifesting a hundred thousand subscribers by the end of the year. It's an AUDAC goal, but it's what I'm putting out there. I'm like, people say this all the time. Like, screw it, I'm going to do it. I'm manifesting it. So I'm only at 14,000 right now. So we got a long ways to go, but I think we can do it. I just need a couple viral videos.

[Jamie]

I'm at 14,000 too. So let's say five.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

There we go.

[Jamie]

Thousand by the end of the year. Let's do that.

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Yeah, there you go. If everybody. We. We. We'll do a double 100,000 plan. Yeah. And you can find my podcast on everything. And I've got books on Amazon and also Audible. But if you're looking for links for all this, if you're like, dude, I don't know where to go to find any of this, go to allmylinks.com Isaac W. That's Isaac W. And you can find links to absolutely everything I've done everywhere.

[Jamie]

Well, thank you so much for coming. It's always great. And I know we can talk about so much more. And you have to promise to come back next time I read one of these Kenneth Grant books. What do you think?

[Isaac Weishaupt]

Yeah. You know, Kenneth Grant and this whole Typhonian OTO is probably the most interesting element of everything I've looked at. The problem is I'm too stupid to understand it. And I really do want to start at the beginning because I do think that this is probably the most interesting, probably the most applicable thing of what's going on. Because if people like you and I that are researching this and trying to understand it and are reading, buying the books if we don't get it, that tells me that this is the true occult knowledge. This is the real hidden information that. That the elite world magicians are probably really using to cause changes in our world without us understanding or knowing.

[Jamie]

Exactly. Perfect way to put it. And I will have the full book report of Cults of the Shadow up in the member section probably next week. And look for me and Dr. Zach Porku talking about all kinds of stuff. I'm so excited about techno paganism. So tune in and have a great night, guys.