Epstein / Bannon Interview Pt 1 Commentary / Analysis

Summary

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Jay'sAnalysis – Epstein/Bannon Interview Pt 1 Commentary & Analysis

Host: Jay Dyer
Date: February 10, 2026
Episode Theme: Analysis and commentary on the recently released Steve Bannon interviews with Jeffrey Epstein (a.k.a. "Jeff Stein McCaffrey"), exploring Epstein’s role as a systems integrator in global finance, elite networks, criminal organizations, and the intersections of technology, metaphysics, and power.

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Episode Overview

This episode features Jay Dyer’s in-depth commentary and live call-in discussion about the Steve Bannon–Jeffrey Epstein interview segments now surfacing in the “Epstein Files.” Jay and callers dissect Epstein's self-portrayal, the admissions about elite networks and criminal operations, the surprising intersections of finance, metaphysics, and AI, and the wider implications for power in the modern world. Throughout, Jay highlights both the illuminating and performative aspects of Epstein’s narrative, tying it to long-standing critiques of global elites, banking, and intelligence networks.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

Epstein’s Recruitment and Elite Networks

• Recruitment by Global Power Brokers:
  Jay gives background on Jeff Stein’s (Epstein's) recruitment into Trilateral Commission circles by David Rockefeller, with Kissinger and Brzezinski as key figures (01:11–02:26).
• Elite Steering Committees:
  “Kissinger created the Trilateral Commission under David Rockefeller as a steering committee specifically for Brzezinski.” (01:11–01:30, Jay Dyer)
• Role of Reputation and Social Calculation:
  Epstien discusses the historical importance of reputation among elites and its transition to quantifiable measures in finance—a possible early nod toward social credit systems (04:40–06:56).

  “What does it mean to have a measurement of your reputation?” —Jeff Stein McCaffrey, 06:47

High Finance Mechanics and Admissions

• Fractional Reserve Lending & The Banking Scam:
  Jay underscores how Epstein describes fractional reserve banking and its centrality to elite finance, noting Bannon’s apparent unfamiliarity—despite its infamy in the Ron Paul/Austrian school world (08:00–09:56).

  “They would print more gold notes than they had actual gold… This is an old trick of devaluing the currency.” —Jay Dyer, 08:38

• Vindication for Long-Time Critics:
  References to “Tragedy and Hope” by Carroll Quigley and the Rothschild banking model (08:38–09:56).
• Admission of Systemic Crimes:
  “He’s having to explain… to Clinton’s own economic team, Larry Summers, how the Vatican Bank works as a super secret money laundering international operation.” —Jay Dyer, 12:48
• Epstein’s Real Specialty – “Consultant to Power”
  Jay frames Epstein as a “high-level integrator and systems analyst” — an “operative” whose main value was explaining how “the world actually works” to other elites and power-brokers (12:48–13:15).

Systems Theory, Complexity, and Metaphysics

• Complex Systems as Elite Doctrine:
  The conversation delves into the Santa Fe Institute and elite fascination with systems theory, holons, and macro-scale steering of societies (10:17–11:59).

  “It’s not only mathematics, but it’s things that could be calculated. Reputation couldn’t be calculated… but people, places, that by the way…” —Jeff Stein McCaffrey, 06:38

• Analogies Between Bodies, Economies, and Societies:
  Epstein (via Jeff Stein) makes frequent analogies comparing financial and societal systems to biological systems (“there’s no one group that understands the way the financial systems work…”) (11:10–12:48).
• Philosophy, Kabbalah, and Monads:
  Jay outlines how Epstein soon veers into discussions of Leibniz, monadology, and Kabbalistic ideas (“systems working as organisms… parallels with the Kabbalistic myth of the Golem”) (08:54–09:56).

AI, Neural Networks, and Mystification

• Black Box AI & Technological Unknowability:
  Epstein recounts how modern AI/neural nets surpass human understanding—even by their own designers (15:03–16:48).

  “When you ask the person who designed the system, how did it come to that answer?… They say, no, we don’t know. We don’t know how the thing we designed actually came up with that answer.” —Jeff Stein McCaffrey, 15:03

• Mystical Framing of AI:
  Caller critiques Epstein’s “mystical” depiction of AI as classic rhetorical fogging—masking shallow knowledge with grand narrative (25:05–27:53).

  “He makes it sound slightly mystical… and he’s going to go that way… new agey Kabbalistic ideas.” —Jay Dyer, 25:57

Intelligence Agencies and Criminal Networks

• Elite Crime as Intelligence Practice:
  Jay points out the overlap of intelligence agencies and organized crime, noting Epstein’s expertise as “almost a PhD in organized crime” (13:15–15:50).

  “Intelligence agencies… by definition, engaging in espionage is a criminal organization.” —Jay Dyer, 15:50

• Jailhouse Operations:
  Jay and Bannon highlight Epstein’s ability to consult and manage high-stakes financial events (like the 2008 collapse) from solitary, reinforcing the image of an untouchable operator (20:34–40:47).

  “He’s running shit from jail, making calls and still doing his criminal Blofeld organization operations.” —Jay Dyer, 53:16

The 2008 Collapse – Analysis and Reactions

• 2008: Systemic “Heart Attack” or Elite Scheme?
  Refrains that the 2008 crisis was due to “system failures,” comparing economic collapse to bodily breakdowns (46:34–52:47).

  “It’s not derivatives themselves. It’s the criminals using other people’s money and then getting bailed out.”—Jay Dyer, 47:11

• Public vs. Private Face:
  Jay distinguishes Epstein’s “public” statements in interviews (strategically bland) from his more candid, digital communications where he is clearer about exploitation and manipulation (49:33).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Elite Financial Networks:
  “If you were a Rockefeller, you already were considered to be brilliant… and then in the mid-70s, the most important thing was your name.” —Jeff Stein McCaffrey (04:40)

• On Black Box AI:
  “We design… neural nets… But when you ask the designer, how did it do it? No one knows. We don’t know how the thing we designed… came up with that answer.” —Jeff Stein McCaffrey (15:03)

• On Crime and Intelligence:
  "There really is a place for people who have… a very high level understanding of black markets and criminal organizations. Now, a lot of those people work in intelligence agencies… so by definition, an intelligence agency engaging in espionage is a criminal organization." —Jay Dyer (15:50)

• On Epstein’s True Role:
  “His real role is as an operative to do systems analysis and explain to even high level people how the world actually works. So he’s kind of an educator as well, a consultant, you could say.” —Jay Dyer (12:48)

• Bannon’s Perception of Epstein:
  “So Bannon thinks he’s the greatest financial mind in the world.” —Jay Dyer (23:01)

• Self-awareness (or Lack Thereof):
  Interviewer: “Did it strike you at the time, how all the threads in your life had come together and put you in a position…?”
  Jeff Stein McCaffrey: “No… that would probably mean I would be too self aware.” (41:12)

• On Moral Hazard and the 2008 Crisis:
  “It’s like saying your hair was the cause of your heart attack because it was on the top of your head.” —Jeff Stein McCaffrey (48:49)

• On Consulting Power from Jail:
  Interviewer: “You’re making a call to Washington D.C. to talk to some deputies… and that does not… It doesn’t dawn on you at all… you never have a moment of self-reflection that how did I end up on this metal cot when I should be at the center of things?”
  Jeff Stein McCaffrey: “No, I had a telephone. So… it makes no difference where I am.” (53:11)

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Audience Interaction and Broader Reflections (Selected Timestamps)

• On Public Distraction and Manufactured Crises:
  Jay and callers discuss how media distractions, fake stories, and PR management serve to steer public attention away from real scandals like the Epstein files (54:32–58:57).

  “If you look at what happened after Pizzazz Gate… they flooded it with all this kind of crazy, ridiculous stuff to get people to not pay attention.” —Jay Dyer (54:43)

• Orthodox Theology, Wisdom, and Social Issues:
  Jay often pivots to Christian/Orthodox views on issues like political engagement, sacramental theology, and wisdom literature (59:12–80:06).

• Proverbs Reflection Segment:
  Jay reads and discusses Proverbs 10, using it as a platform to advise on wisdom, righteousness, and practical living—contrasting these values to the conduct and fate of global criminals (88:41–119:29).

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Conclusion & Takeaways

• Big Picture:
  The episode connects global financial manipulation, elite steering committees, intelligence operations, and metaphysical speculations, using Epstein/Bannon as a lens to expose how the world is run by interconnected syndicates whose knowledge—often claimed to be “esoteric” or mystical—amounts, at its core, to criminal leveraging of systems most people never see.
• Critical Response:
  Jay and his callers urge the audience not to be distracted by spectacle or minor personalities, but to focus on the “international structure of this organized crime syndicate.” The most urgent struggle, according to Jay, is exposing how global power—cloaked in technocratic, philosophical, even mystical trappings—actually operates, and how systems thinking is used as a control mechanism.

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Suggested Timestamps

• Epstein's Trilateral Recruitment, Rockefeller Networks: 01:11–02:26
• Reputation, Social Credit, Elite Shifts: 04:40–06:56
• Fractional Reserve Banking, the “Scam”: 08:00–09:56
• Systems Theory, Complexity, Kabbalah: 10:17–13:15
• Black Box AI, Mystification: 15:03–17:14, 25:05–27:53
• Epstein Consulting from Jail (Bear Stearns/2008): 20:34–40:47, 53:11
• Derivatives, Systemic Crime, 2008 Collapse: 46:34–52:47
• Audience Discussion on Distractions & Media Steering: 54:32–58:57
• Orthodox Wisdom Segment (Proverbs): 88:41–119:29

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Lasting Memes & Moments

• “He’s a high-level integrator… kind of almost has maybe a PhD in organized crime.” —Jay Dyer
• “That’s the crime here… and again, it’s the same model if you study the FTX collapse or Banco Ambrosiano.” —Jay Dyer
• Epstein consulting with world leaders from solitary, “making calls and still doing his criminal Blofeld organization operations out of the damn community phone conference area at the prison.”
• Jay’s asides about movies, media, and Orthodox wisdom—maintaining a sardonic, tongue-in-cheek tone throughout.

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Summary prepared by Jay'sAnalysis Podcast Summarizer (2026).
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Transcript

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[Jay Dyer]

Before it got too over overheated.

[Caller/Listener 1]

So is Lucas Gage, is he an agnostic or what's his?

[Jay Dyer]

I'm not sure because I think the last time he called in he was saying that he was open to like Buddhist ideas. But he may be, I'm not sure. But he does have a pretty large Twitter presence and he's, you know, kind of made a name for being very opposed to Zionism and Talmudism etc, so he's got a large audience from that. And then he's called in a few times and we've had some good discussions about religion and metaphysics. And so I think he's been listening to what we talk about because you know, he's, he's trying to understand justification and tag and all that. Anyway, so let's go over to Jeff Stein real quick. Recap of the first 20 minutes, which was really revealing because Jeff Stein says that he was recruited into Trilateral by David Rockefeller and he mentions the Kissinger family. He mentions. I don't think he mentions Brzezinski, but originally Kissinger created the Trilateral Commission under David Rockefeller as a steering committee specifically for Brzezinski. So let's listen to this recap of.

[Interviewer]

That finance, which was at the time or endow or become the donor sponsor, however you want to say it, for what was considered the most cutting edge group of math, by the way.

[Jay Dyer]

We will break up some of this by taking calls if you want to Call in and you want to talk about the previous topics, you're welcome to. We're not going to just Talk just on McEffrey. You can call in about whatever you want and we'll kind of space it together between the video Epstein stuff because it's going to get a little technical and dry, but it's relevant because not only does it talk about like global elite stuff, he also gets into the. The domain of geopolitics and metaphysics. So he's going to get into the relationship between mysticism and technology, kabbalistic elements, etc.

[Interviewer]

Mathematicians in the world.

[Jay Dyer]

Action.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

So Santa Fe Institute in the late 80s, early 90s, I was interested. I was on the board of Rockefeller. So that starts Rockefeller University formed by John D. Rockefeller to sort of give back to the community east side of Manhattan. Except it was old, it was sort of old fashioned. They were talking about medicine and medicine by itself was again subject to the ideas of science. They were trying to find use science to find cures for disease. And I said no, we need to do something different. We need to start interdisciplinary work in most.

[Interviewer]

How did a schmuck like you get on the board of Rockefeller? What year was that?

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

I don't remember. Late, I think 89 or 91.

[Interviewer]

So that's one of the most prestigious research places in the world, correct?

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

Yes. Okay.

[Interviewer]

How did a guy like you get.

[Jay Dyer]

On the board of Ruck?

[Interviewer]

A blue blood, internationally known, internationally known hard research, Nobel Prize winners all over the place. How do they pick a guy like you?

[Jay Dyer]

I like. I like this idea. Sexy spy music in the background with Jeff Stein McCaffrey talking to help us pass the time and get through it. I like that idea.

[Interviewer]

A traitor from. Or basically some guy from Bear Stearns.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

Good question. So I was asked to be on the board of Rockefeller and I think it was. I was on the board of Rockefeller. There was a money manager who said Rockefeller needs someone with financial expertise because the university is growing and there's lots of new things you have to. Again we go back to the original discussion the last time up until the mid-80s or sort of early mid-70s, the most important thing was your name. If you were a Rockefeller, you already were considered to be brilliant. If you were head of General Motors, it was your reputation, it was who you knew, who your family was, what was your character. And then in the mid-70s, I'm really.

[Jay Dyer]

Glad that Jeff Slim McGuffery understands the importance of character and virtue ethics. I wouldn't have thought him to be so sensitive and mindful of those topics. But it's good to know that the global elite care very much about having good character. So that's good news.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

If you remember, you probably had a calculator. It was very advanced in those days to have a Texas instrument calculator where by putting in the numbers it would multiply for you to do square roots. And that was the first. And everyone who had a calculator was already advanced.

[Jay Dyer]

I had the Woody Allen model calculator. And when you would put the numbers in back in the 1980s, it would reply and say, it looks like maybe it's a little more than that. Maybe if you put in a little more numbers, the numbers will turn into something a little more on Wall Street.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

A simple almost like your account, the most important parts of business we're really now going to calculate.

[Jay Dyer]

I like the idea of a Woody Allen Jeffrey Epstein calculator that like fixes the numbers and fixes the books for you. It's automatically programmed in the end to fix the books relations.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

So it's not only mathematics, but it's things that could be calculated. Reputation couldn't be calculated. I could give you. Are you a 10 on a reputation scale?

[Jay Dyer]

An 8.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

What does it mean to have a measurement of your reputation? We'll get to that later. But people, places that by the way.

[Jay Dyer]

Sounds like perhaps inklings towards a social credit score. Now I don't know that that's where it's going to go in the conversation because the next section gets into high finance. And when they talk about high finance, as you guys know, they mention the importance of fractional reserve lending or lending out without the correct number of assets or gold or whatever to back up what's being lent out. And this is a huge vindication for those of us that have listened to Tragine Hope, Carol Quigley, people in the Ron Paul sphere, von Mises fear people, the Austrian school of Economics, they've had this critique. Remember Creature from Jekyll island, right. For many, many years. This is the central, most operandi of the Federal Reserve System, which is based on the Rothschild banking model. And we have that, by the way, in the biography of the Rock of the Rothschilds by Morton, which we've been citing this week. And they even admit in the book, as I put on my Twitter, that the Waterloo story, the famous Waterloo story of advanced intelligence, which led them to be able to buy up the market as it crashed, is the model that Jeff Simmy himself uses for finance now. So a lot of admissions, key points. And what's weird is that it's going to go in the direction of questioning scientism. He's going to get into Kabbalah and he's even going to bring up Leibniz. And that was the last thing I would have expected to be in a Ban and Epstein interview is the discussion of Leibniz. So it's very pertinent to those of us from the philosophy domain. We're going to talk about the monads, monadology. We're going to try to decipher, does Epstein really know what he's talking about or is he a suede? And I think ultimately it's, it's going to be probably Kabbalistic, because the way that he describes gigantic systems working as organisms also has parallels with the, the Kabbalistic myth of the golem. So we're gonna, we're gonna be focusing on Kabbalism and all that. As we get into Jeff Stein McEffrey's interview, we're going to skip ahead to where we left off, which was about 20 minutes in after he explained to Bannon fractional reserve banking. And again, it's kind of surprising to me, Bannon doesn't get it. Like, he's not aware of what, like everybody from the Ron Paul sphere, right, Everybody from this side of things knows what fractional reserve banking is and how the bankers use the gold note scam. And they would print more gold notes and they had actual gold. You know, Quigley says this within the first 200 pages of tragic Hope. And it goes back centuries and ultimately it goes back millennia. So this is an old trick of devaluing the currency. That's basically what Epstein is talking about. And he says more or less that the way that he got recruited into this high level trilateral steering committee stuff was because he was able to explain high finance and fractional reserve banking to these people, which you would think they would understand, but they didn't.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

Sure. You understand your body system, you'd say, well, I hope so, because I want to keep me healthy. But you could have a kidney infection, you could have a heart attack, you could have a broken knee. There's lots of pieces of the system. And in fact, when you ask the question, very few doctors understand your entire body. There's a special.

[Jay Dyer]

And we're going to fast forward to that part where he talks about systems analysis. So basically he's looking at holistic systems. And some of the global elite writers, whether it's Arthur Kessler or Freed off Schumann, they talk about what's called Holon's H o L, O, N. So they point out that when you have things in nature like root systems or cells or whatever in the body, they don't operate as independent discrete units. They actually function together within a whole organism. And that's sometimes called a holon. That's what he's talking about. Which is very important to the global elite because for one, they like to focus not just on the discrete parts, but controlling and steering at a big macro scale. And that would be say, macro finance, macro sociology, like how a whole country interrelates. Right. You could see why for the global elite, big scale, macro stuff would be very important.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

Specialists for your polynomial cyst, there's a specialist for your head. And now we have specialists in different areas. So I'm going to get to your first question about Santa Fe Institute. The world economy and your body are both comprised of little systems interacting with each other and making one big system.

[Jay Dyer]

This, by the way, if you, if you saw our Ghost in the Machine analysis of the famous Arthur Kessler text, he was a high level global elite player, kind of like Jeff, Sam McEvry to a degree. That's all the first half of that book. Is this what he's talking about?

[Interviewer]

This is what's stunning for all the little guys out there, the populist movement, the little guys that haven't had a pay raise in 30 years, they think that these elites, you know, have everything. They're the guys in the room making the decisions. They're the, the Party of Davos guys. You're sitting there. You don't think many people today really understand the complexity and really all the moving pieces and how they interconnect to the world's financial system.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

No, the nice. Not only don't they understand the complexity, and that goes back to Santa Fe Institute was an attempt of trying to see if there was a way to mathematize, formularize or algorithmically understand what the term complexity means. That goes back to the original question. Complex systems are complex by definition, but there's not necessarily. It's not one level of complexity. We might say, well, our fingers are complex, the movements, the muscles of our hands, but it's not as complex as the blood system. Now I have a circulatory system, I have systems on top of systems, so that there's no one group or person that really understands the way the body works. There's no one group that understands the way the financial systems work. You might understand U.S. bond markets. Now you asked about the trade of long term capital. That was a bond fund very small part of this very complex system. So the goal of the Santa Fe Institute was to see if, is there a way to get in somehow understand how complex systems interact.

[Jay Dyer]

Now this is really important because it gives us an insight into what he was up to and what his role seems to be. And if you've heard my analysis all week, all week, all week long, as we've gone through the Epstein files as they released. That was essentially what I said I thought he was. He's a high level integrator and systems analysis networker. He seems to kind of almost have maybe a PhD in organized crime over all the other things that he's purported to be like a mathematician or, you know, a banker or a money manager. Right. I mean, he was probably doing those things to some degree, but his real role is as an operative to do systems analysis and explain to even high level people how the world actually works. So he's kind of an educator as well, a consultant, you could say. That's why, for example, Zelinsky says, I need to consult Epstein. I need his help in regard to what's happening in, in the Ukraine versus Russia. That's why he explains for several minutes to Ehud Barak what Peter Thiel's company is and what Palantir does. Right? So he's doing this. He's even explaining to Clinton's own economic team, Larry Summers, how the Vatican bank works as a super secret money laundering international operation. Right. He has to explain that to them. And he's having explained to Bannon, a journalist, what fraction reserve banking is and how the world actually functions in the same way as a controlled organized crime black market system. That's what he's getting at. He's saying, I understood this and that was my role. Now people are saying, oh, he's actually dumb, he's not that smart. Now he's also a con man. So he has elements of trying to present himself as over competent in other domains like science or philosophy. Right. So it's gonna be interesting to see as philosophers, when we get to a section talking about monads and Leibniz. Does he really understand what he's talking about or is there a lot of sued, you know, word salad terminology going on to make it look like he's way more overconfident, that he's of some, some kind of savant? I think even Bannon asked him at one point something like that, like, you know, are you some sort of savant? Like what are you.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

Fast forward, Steve, to today where Google and these other engine companies, the other Tech companies are trying to build artificial intelligence. The strangest thing that they found, one of the strangest things is that the systems that they design is artificial intelligence, which a lot of people have heard about, is they design a bunch of systems. They're called neural nets. Terms simply taken out of brain work. Neurons in the brain nets, because they actually look like a net. They put in some inputs, the computers work, spit out. An answer sounds normal to you because you're thinking about that calculator you had in 1976 on your desk. When you ask the person who designed the system, how did it come to that answer? How did your neural net. Can you show me the calculations? They say, no, we don't know. We don't know how the thing we designed actually came up with that answer. That's pretty.

[Jay Dyer]

Now the people in the comments are saying, what do you mean, he's a student of crime? No, there actually are people who get really, really advanced information and studies about how to do crime. In fact, in the Brazilian car wash scandal, there was a guy called the Sicilian who was basically a PhD in how to do criminal organization or criminal crime syndicate type stuff. So my suspicion, I'm not saying there's like a literal, like, villain school, right? I'm not talking about Marvel. I'm saying, like, there really is a place for people who have a very high level understanding of black markets and criminal organizations. Now, a lot of those people work in intelligence agencies, because that's what intelligence agencies do, is they place people in other countries. It's one of the things they do. They also lie through the media all the time. But one of their jobs is to place people in other countries to do illegal activities. So by definition, an intelligence agency engaging in espionage is a criminal organization. So keep that in mind.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

Strange. They take the same neural net now and they put it in front of a video game. No learning nothing. They said to the computer, they say, sit in front of your video game and learn how to play. It seems that the computer learns better than any human in history, faster than any human in history beats any human in history. But when you ask the designer, how did it do it? No one knows. It just did it. Just the first little touch of things that we already have gotten to a place where we don't understand it and we built it.

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[Interviewer]

Cap apply on Sunday afternoon, September 14, 2008, where were you? Sorry, it was the night they put Lehman Brothers in bankruptcy in London.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

I was in jail.

[Interviewer]

Seriously?

[Jay Dyer]

Yes.

[Interviewer]

So the financial crisis of 2008 happened when you were in jail. It's going to be so amazing. That's so amazing. I take it you couldn't. You didn't have your Wall Street Journal dropped off to you in the morning? Your Financial Times?

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

No.

[Interviewer]

How did you hear about that? How did you hear about. Because I want the.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

I forgot.

[Jay Dyer]

No, this is interesting just because when he was first brought into being on Wall street, when he was at Bear Stearns, his partner Hoffman or Hoff's Hofstadter or something, his partner went to jail and he didn't for insider trading. So he was learning the criminal syndicates even that early on operations, insider trading. And it's curious that he didn't get his trouble in trouble, but his partner did about this.

[Interviewer]

But yes, I'm trying to get this going to be amazing. Let's go back and do that again.

[Jay Dyer]

But that was back in the 80s, by the way. That was a long time ago.

[Interviewer]

Sunday afternoon. Because I want to find out about people, the geniuses understanding the complexity of the financial system. Because I think the best example we have is the financial Crisis crash of 2008. Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

People are asking, well, what about Bannon? Does Bannon. Well, I think what I gather from the interview is that. And Bannon just said it right here, he's like, I want to know and talk to all the geniuses in the world. And when I read the text, Bannon seems to think of Epstein as like this super savant, right? Like this, this amazing genius person. And he doesn't really seem to catch on to any of the sudery. But I think again, as far as I can tell, Epstein's expertise is really just criminal, criminal operations. And Bannon doesn't seem to be swift enough to pick up on the kind of limitations, I guess, of the other domains. He thinks he's just a sort of like polymath or something.

[Interviewer]

Sunday afternoon, September 14th, I think it was 2008 is when they were working feverishly in midtown Manhattan at the Lehman Brothers offices and various law firms around town. And with the Secretary treasury about in the Federal Reserve what they're going to do with Lehman, they decided they weren't going to save it and so they prepared to put into bankruptcy at the open of the market in London the next day. How did you hear about what was going to happen to Lehman Brothers and what did you immediately think when you heard that it was going to be put into bankruptcy?

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

I'm glad you asked that question. I was in solitary confinement September 14th. And again, some of the public stories about the wonderful time I had in jail and of my work release, which didn't come until months after I'd been there since June in an 8x10 cell with a bed in the back, a six foot bed in the back, a chrome sink with toilet attached to it and a little piece of metal sticking out that was supposed to act as a table. Now, since I was in jail, there were no books. Why? There's no library. No library.

[Jay Dyer]

By the way, we're gonna break this interview out with taking calls. It's kind of long, so we do need to have some, a little bit of breaking it up. So in a few more minutes we'll take another call.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

But you're in jail. No, I was in jail, not prison. So in jail I was in a place what's called the Special Housing Unit, which is for the roughest, toughest, meanest people. They put me there, they said, for my own protection. So I was in an 8 by 10 cell with a little slit in the door where they would serve my food on a tray about 9 inches by 4 inches. And then as soon as I finished eating, they'd take the tray and close it down. And one of the guards said, do you understand Wall Street's crashing. I'm worried about my pension fund. What should I do? And I said, sorry, Wall Street's crashing. What's happened? And he said, there's some crisis and some companies are going bankrupt. I said, are you sure? And he said, yeah, it's all over the papers. Everybody's we're all terrified we're going to lose our life savings because we have either a 401k or our pension funds. We don't know anything about money. Mr. Epstein, can you tell us, like, what's going on? Am I going to be able to afford my children's education? Am I going to be bankrupt? Like this company called Lehman Brothers? And there's another company on the front page today called Bear Stearns? Oh, no. I said, why? Because that's the company I was a partner in. And in fact, that was a company I had a very large investment in. So as a great story, I didn't have my Wall Street Journal, but in the early mornings, you're allowed to make two phone calls collect. And when you pick up the phone, you can dial a number. And when the person picks up, they say, you're getting a call from the Palm Beach County Jail. Will you accept reverse charges? And the person either says yes, and they call, go through, and the person says no. The person I called was Jimmy Cayne, the president of Bear Stearns. And I said, tell me what's going on. And so that my knowledge of the financial crisis happened with Jimmy, who was at the center of the storm, telling me about what Lehman had gone under. And they were trying to figure out a way, should they bail out Bear Stearns.

[Interviewer]

Did it strike you at the time of the mess you had made of your life to be in a situation that you're one of the greatest financial minds in the world looked at?

[Jay Dyer]

So Bannon thinks he's the greatest financial mind in the world. So Big ball says for $5, hey, people who get locked up will tell you that jail is actually a community college for criminals to study and prison is the university. Yes, I have heard that. And of course, you know, we talked to Sean Atwood, who, you know, lived through that for many years. He was involved in a massive ecstasy ring being busted in Arizona, and he was competing with Sammy the Bull. And of course, Sammy will say similar things as well. I think, though, with Epstein, what you have, though, is, is above that. This is above that kind of level of, you know, learning to run a local gang. You know, this is like Internet. I mean, some of those files. The first day, it was like Epstein was organized, was organizing meetings with literally like 20 heads of state of the world he was going to go meet with. I mean, this is. There's a level above that big boss. But you're absolutely right in terms of, like, the, the low, you know, local level criminal stuff. That's exactly what it is. Vampire. What's up? This podcast is supported by the Real Real.

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For the first time. Go to therealreal.com to get your extra hundred dollars. Therealreal.com that's therealreal.com Federal prison is Harvard for criminals. There you go. Yeah, what's up? Hello. Yes, I just wanted to note that when he talks about neural networks, we kind of do know a lot about how they work. Essentially, he said. He said, we don't know. Like you, you can say that you don't know what the math formula is to do a specific task, but a neural network itself is the math formula, and it just adjusts itself so that it. The output corresponds to what you want. Like, essentially when you're putting a neural network to play a video game, it's just adjusting a bunch of numbers so that it works with that specific video game. Well, we know the structure. Go ahead. No, yeah, I got the impression from that comment that he was maybe going in the direction of saying that AI could become conscious because we don't really know what consciousness is. And because AI is answering in this supposed way we don't understand. Maybe AI is. I think he's kind of going that direction. Maybe he. He might as well, because he. He's showing that he knows this stuff superficially. Okay. There's a lot of research that goes into AI and he, he just gives the example of like the, the first thing they ever use that they ever called AI, which is neural networks, which is like, I think from the 70s or the 80s, you know, like it's. It's an old concept. And. Yeah, he makes it sound slightly mystical. Right. I think that's exactly. That's what he was going for. That's exactly. And he's going to go that way. In. As the discussion progresses, he's going to get into these sort of new agey Kabbalistic ideas. But I think it's important to understand too, that. Yeah, I mean, at the level of a spy, that's kind of what you get with people that are doing that. They need. They need to have enough knowledge of subjects and many subjects to be able to network and interlink people at a different level at all levels of society. So, you know, a person who's a fixer or a spy might need to be interacting with, you know, people at an embassy, at a dinner. They might need to be interacting with, you know, a drug cartel. They might need to be in. Interacting with people who understand the tech world. And so they will have a superficial knowledge of a lot of areas. And I think that's exactly why Jeff Stein McCaffrey demonstrates that. Exactly. What's up, man? Timothy, what's up?

[Caller/Listener 1]

Hey, A.J. i got two. Two statements. I have a pitch for you. I actually. Because you know how you always complain because you don't ever get as much audience on your very interesting lecture series as you think you should. I actually agree with you. I think I. I'm. You know, when you're like, there's like 100 people listen, that's me.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, I'm saying. I'm saying if I talk about Epstein, I'll get 3, 000 live and 50, 000 viewers total. But if I talk about, you know, Dostoevsky or Lord of the Flies or, you know, something like that, we get like one third of that.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

All right.

[Caller/Listener 1]

What I was going to say is, like, it's something to consider is if you had someone else, if you have anyone else that you're basically. You're friends with or someone else who's capable of keeping up with the reading material, you really should consider maybe like, having it be like a lecture between you two instead of like a podcast setting where you're nothing against any guys you podcast with. But sometimes it's like you're saying the color blue is in fact a color, and you're like, yes, you know, I. Someone who's more adequate, I guess. I don't want to sound mean, but someone that you can actually kind of bounce off of a little bit would make it a lot more interesting. I think most people. Okay, I enjoy listening to it because I. I think that this stuff is super interesting to me, just because, you know, we kind of live in this world and we kind of have to deal with what is actually going on. Yeah, I was gonna say We. We spoke before post K about how we were all kind of. You and I were both shocked at this time because we were like, wow, I never thought a sign up would work that effectively. I'm kind of saying that again with this Epstein step. I was in the Marine Corps for like 12 years. Worked with, you know, Odo, Odas and all sorts of stuff at that time. You know, don't have to get into the details and brag or anything, but we all know that countries just do this kind of stuff. And then suddenly I'm being told, no, no. But the only exception, there's one exception to that rule. And people have kind of like completely lost the plot on the whole thing where it's like, first off, I want to say thank you for exposing the gymnasts that were in fact, apparently a psyop by Jeffrey Epstein. Jay, you called that one out.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh, you talking about the. The. The papal acrobats? The gay acrobats.

[Caller/Listener 1]

Yeah, I saw that years ago. Like, what the hell am I looking at, dude? So you pointed that out years ago. But I guess what I'm kind of confused about now is people get real caught up on, like, does this person know my throat? Everyone's gonna know the guy, right? This is not.

[Jay Dyer]

Does this. Hold on, slow down. Does this person what? Say it again.

[Caller/Listener 1]

Oh, Epstein. Everyone knows Epstein.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay?

[Caller/Listener 1]

Everyone's. Everyone in power is gonna know this guy.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay?

[Caller/Listener 1]

That's not the question. You know what I mean? Of course people know him. And, you know, if George Lucas knows him, does that mean Jeffrey Epstein creates Star Wars? No, of course not. It's ridiculous. Instead of focusing on what his actual operations were, these are things that you have talked about for years. Again, I don't owe you the quality, but a lot of people do. You talked about this stuff for years, you know, and I. I was always sitting there going, yeah, I've heard about people doing this stuff for years. The Marine Corps. Kind of a weird place, because it's like the only terrible and honest branch of the military. I always joke, you know. You ever read the book the wars of Racket by Smedley Butler?

[Jay Dyer]

Smelly Butler?

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah.

[Caller/Listener 1]

Right here. A story of like some military dude writing us a book. Yeah, that's anti establishment. Is always. Almost always a Marine. Marines are real honest.

[Jay Dyer]

We're not.

[Caller/Listener 1]

We don't lie about this stuff. We're not over here, like, no, we're trying to save the world, dude.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

Right now.

[Caller/Listener 1]

We like to stack bodies, dude, I'm sorry, but what I'm getting at Though.

[Jay Dyer]

Is.

[Caller/Listener 1]

You know, you have these situations where these have been consistent issues for a very long time. I think you spoke to the Rockefellers getting involved. Or is it the Roast Childs? Can't remember which one in the Papal bank in the 1800s.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah. 1832, first loan. Yep.

[Caller/Listener 1]

And I think I, you know, look, I don't read books, which is a weird thing. Someone should have told me that because every guy I knew in the Marine Corps read books to get in, you know, to many of the jobs. It would be expected that you read a book like something stupid like Starship Troopers was a expected reading material.

[Jay Dyer]

No, I know. I mean, no, at the. At West Point they use Robert Hunter lines novels as part of your course. Yeah.

[Caller/Listener 1]

You have to read stuff like. I'm sorry to be the very bad news. I wrote a white paper in 2010 for the record about a. A positive. Ah, firework. Sorry about your war in 2010. And I was right. Of what happened in Russia and Ukraine. I. So what I'm kind of curious as to what you think on this is like they released this information. People literally are obsessed with the dumbest stuff on it. Scimitars and George Bush senior and dumb things like that. What should we do and what should we focus on? Exposing to people and remembering so it doesn't get memory hold. What do you think?

[Jay Dyer]

I think good question. The most important aspects are the international structure of this organized crime syndicate, how it works, how it is like Specter in James Bond. I mean, you know, it's not accidental that I was saying yet on yesterday or the day before stream that Epstein is basically Blofeld because Ian Fleming when he was writing those novels because I did my grad work on this, I didn't end up finishing my grad thesis, but I did publish it in a peer review, by the way. So I can actually say it to a lot of these scientists and dorks that I'm actually published in peer review now it is economics and sociology, but I guarantee you that's more of a credible thing than anybody else can say in this domain. Right. All the dorks. I mean there might be some dorks that are published, but let me see if I can just as a joke, let me see if I can find my peer review and you guys can see that it really is. It's the Many layers of 007 I think is what it was. Ooh, look at that. Peer review. So anybody who wants to diss me, You're actually dissing a peer reviewed source in academia. Excuse me, I'M a peer reviewed source and what do you do? If I'm a peer reviewed source and I tell you that peer review is. Because now you have an authority telling you that authorities are. What do you do now? So anyway, so as you can see, no, I did not finish this thesis. I did all the way up to my graduate thesis and this was the thesis and I was like, I forget it. I just ended up publishing. It did go into peer review. So there you go, there's. Now you have authorities telling you not to listen to the authorities. And as you can see, yes, it is a semiotic analysis of Ian Fleming's novels and their use during the Cold War for propaganda. So pick fiction and propaganda in the Cold War. By the way, I don't even know if I've read this final version. I don't even remember what's in this, this final PDF version here. I don't even have access to my own. Somebody might have sent me this back at the time, I don't remember. But this was published in like 20, March of 2017, so. But nobody reads peer reviewed stuff anyway. Nobody reads this academic. So I was like, I might as well just write books on the subject because then people actually read it and I'll actually make a living. Nobody cares what academics say. But the reason I'm talking about this is because the more I saw the methodology that Ian Fleming was using in his stuff, I noticed that, okay, he's pulling from the real opera operations he was involved in. Right. Like there was Operation goldeneye, I think, where he, he was spying on fascists and Franco Spain. There's Operation Mincemeat, which they made that movie about recently, which is real, where they sort of put out the fake body with the fake plans in it, which would get the Germans chasing a false lead. That movie was pretty good. I'm trying to remember who's in that. Was it like, was it Benedict Cumberbatch? I can't remember who's in Operation Mincemeat, but let's see. Anyway, that's true and that's based on Ben McIntyre's writings. He's one of the well known writers on the subject of Bondology. Yes. Actually Bondology is its own discipline in academia. It's a sub, sub niche, which is pretty interesting. But Operation Mincemeat is real. And the reason I'm talking about this is that the more that, okay, it's Colin Firth, it's a Netflix movie.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

If you've never seen Operation Mincemeat, it's pretty Good, But you'll roll. You realize that because Ian Fleming was Naval Intelligence and he was eventually pretty high up at British intelligence, MI6, he was able to organize and strategize a lot of even things like the US Secret Service superstructure. So it's actually Ian Fleming that helped establish the OSS together with Bill Donovan and others. So that's why he matters. And a lot of people don't realize he matters that much. But it also shows Hollywood, right? It shows how Hollywood is an engine of propaganda, revelation of the method, whatever terms you want to use, like, it's all there in the Ian Fleming stuff. And that's why I focused on it, because I was a skeptic as well when I heard that, wait a minute, there's a connection between the CIA and Hollywood. I remember hearing this when I was like, 19, 20, 21. And I didn't really know what to make of it. Thought it sounded a little outlandish. And then the more you dive in, you dig in. Oh, that's actually ACI and Mossad. Obviously. There's a lot of. Obviously a huge presence of Mossad in Hollywood, but CIA as well, and British intelligence, too. So we need to understand it's like it's all the above, right? It's not. Because a lot of times those entities, through the special relationship, they liaison and work together. Five eyes, etc. So. So Ian Fleming is huge to this, and he's a great insight into how the world really works through fiction because he's basically saying, I met with people like Jeff Stein, McEffrey. He's like, I. I would meet with people that were like Spectre, like Blofeld. Now, obviously, in the, in the stories and in the movies, they kind of hype up Blofeld. Like, he's like this super mastermind and he's running everything, right? And we know that in this case of Jeff Simon McGaffrey, he's not running everything because there's several situations where. Or emails where it appears that he's being told what to do and being given orders, including sometimes perhaps threats or sometimes perhaps, you know, you may kill this person. So. All right, let's get back to Jeff, Sam McGuffrey and see what he's got to say. We'll take some more calls and we'll do some more super chats by world.

[Interviewer]

Leaders and ask their, you know, your thinking by the most prominent, important people in the world. And here you are in solitary confinement. You came in, you came in. You gotta make a collect call to somebody. Did it strike you at the time, how, how all the threads your life had come together and put you in a position or you had put yourself in that position.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

No.

[Interviewer]

So it never struck you when you had to make a collect, your one collect, one of your two, 50% of your collection calls that day. You call the President or the head of the CEO of Bear Stearns. The biggest financial event in your life is taking place of which one, every important person in the world would be seeking your opinion. Number two, would be a once in a lifetime opportunity to apply your craft. Number three, it would be a once in lifetime opportunity to make money if you were smart, and obviously you're smart. You're telling me here truthfully that it never hit you at all of how you'd ended up in a place where you had to make collect phone call from a jail cell that was six by nine.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay, Bannon, come on.

[Interviewer]

And your food being passed into a slot.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

The question you want to ask is who was the other call to?

[Interviewer]

Who was the other call to?

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

The other call was to my friend at JP Morgan who was then, I didn't know at the time, trying to buy Bear Stearns. So at one point I had two phones. It was difficult because they're afraid people are going to hang themselves with the phone cord. So they don't actually come together and they're pretty short. So I was actually going between two phones talking to Bass and JP Morgan at the same time. So I found it amusing.

[Interviewer]

And it never struck you?

[Jay Dyer]

Well, that's interesting that he references hanging themselves in jail and you can't have phone cords. Given the fact that as we saw with the Sammy the Bull interview, Sammy said I was in that same supermax. It's all, there's no way, don't let you have nothing that you can't hang yourself. It's not possible.

[Interviewer]

How to end up in a situation like this.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

No, that would be. Probably means I would be too self aware.

[Interviewer]

You can't possibly expect me to believe this.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

I know I don't believe it.

[Interviewer]

You're telling me that during that day you never had a moment, you sat there and go, what the fuck have I done with my life? I'm in a 6 by 9 jail cell when I should be on a train desk or I should be in my $250 million, you know, greatest townhouse in New York City, taking calls from the King of Saudi Arabia, the President of China, the head of Russia, the President United States to save the world's population from a financial debacle. You're honestly expect me to believe that that never happened?

[Jay Dyer]

You suggest, like, he would save the world. Dude in the email sees the one talking to Ariana the Rothschild, saying, we're going to profit from the collapse of the Ukraine. We're going to go into Somalia, profit from the chaos there. Give me a break.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

I was somewhat depressed and how could this happen to me?

[Interviewer]

I'm not saying depressed. I'm saying a moment of awareness of how could I get myself into this situation.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

No, I would just say how strange that this happens. Just it's strange. I'm wearing a jumpsuit and flip flops.

[Interviewer]

What color was the jumpsuit?

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

Brown. Brown.

[Interviewer]

Brown jumpsuit.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

Yes.

[Interviewer]

I notice I don't see you in a lot of brown.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

No.

[Interviewer]

Brown jumpsuit and flip flops.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

Flip flops, yes.

[Interviewer]

With no access to books, no access.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

To newspapers, no access to anything you.

[Interviewer]

Had lived on information.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

Except my Almond Joy bars. I had extra Almond Joy bars.

[Interviewer]

Did you eat Almond Joy bars and things like that because you're afraid of what the cooks did to your food?

[Jay Dyer]

Yes.

[Interviewer]

Is that because of that you were in for the crimes that you were in for?

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

No.

[Jay Dyer]

He only ate Almond Joy bars because he was afraid he was gonna get poisoned. I mean, they could theoretically poison an Almond Joy bar too. But I mean, okay, whatever it was.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

Just because, in fact, it's because you're wealthy. Yes. How did.

[Interviewer]

How did you know that?

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

Well, people. People would constantly come if I was passing by or have to go for my medical. People would either ask to borrow money or make some other types of comments about. In the beginning, what were the comments?

[Interviewer]

At the beginning, what were the comments?

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

It serves you rich guys right that you're here next to me.

[Interviewer]

There was nothing about your crimes?

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

No.

[Interviewer]

So all this rumor you hear all the time about people in prison that commit the type of crimes you commit, that's. You're saying in your personal thing is not true?

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

No.

[Interviewer]

It was all because you were rich.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

Yes.

[Interviewer]

And it was all because they wanted to borrow money or get advice.

[Jay Dyer]

Now we should say. So people that are not aware. I'm pretty sure this Bannon interview is from 2017 or 18. So this is an older interview. This is not new. And people are saying, why is it out now? I. I think this was in the Epstein files. So I remember hearing this is like a several segments of two hours. It's something like six or eight hours of the total interview. But this is, for whatever reason, two hours of the interview within the Epstein files. So this was probably cataloged, you know, at some Point in regard to the trials and to see what he would admit or say in these interviews. I don't think this is being. Oh, this is being released because it's all a conspiracy. And I mean, maybe a lot of people are theorizing why, but no, this is not new. People are saying this is a new interview. So he's still alive. No, this is an old interview. It's well known that Bannon had done this and for whatever reason, it was never released. It's not AI. The other thing I wanted to say too is I'm trying to go fast because I know it's going to take for forever. So I've got it on 1.5. That's why it's. It's sped up a little bit.

[Interviewer]

That's where they get advice which. To go long. To go long, you're telling me, in solitary confinement.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh, the other. I remember what the other thing was. Remember too, that I think a lot of what Jeffrey's saying is true and verifiable. For example, he was a Council informer, cfr, trilateral member. So that's not fake. A lot of these things you can go easily verify, but sometimes you can tell. Yeah, he is lying. For example, at one point in the interview, he will say that there's no connection between race and iq. Well, that's totally contrary to what he says in his private DMs and chats. So remember, this is the public face, Jeffrey Epstein and what he wants people to see. And I think there was even an exchange between him and Bannon. One of the dms or ims, he was saying something like, yeah, we need to rebrand you as a philanthropist. I think he said something like that.

[Interviewer]

Interesting going along.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

Yeah, they want the west side.

[Interviewer]

What does that say about human nature?

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

Well, I think people find one of the reasons they wanted to keep me in solitary confinement was they were afraid that everybody would want to know which stocks to buy and. But what happened was after this crisis, now it's on the front page of every.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, right. The only reason that they put him in solitary confinement isn't because people had suspicions that he was part of an international global elite, Blofeld Spectre Bond villain level scheme. It's because people wanted insider information. Sure.

[Interviewer]

I don't want to lose this thing.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

Sorry, sorry.

[Interviewer]

When you first heard that, did you. Was it Bear Stearns had been kicked into bankruptcy, what, six months before, no notice.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

At the same time. This is part of the same deal.

[Jay Dyer]

I thought.

[Interviewer]

No, no, Bear Stearns, they said the Bear Stearns, they, oh, they saved Bear Stearns and didn't save Lehmanville once before. They had bailed out Bear Stearns, but Bear Stearns was still a zombie, a.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

Shell of its former self.

[Interviewer]

Former self. But they had, quote, unquote, saved it, they admit. Why did they make the decision in your mind, why did Hank Paulson and Bernanke this, what's this concept of moral hazard? Explain to the audience what moral hazard is and why. Why did they save Bear Stearns six months before and why the smartest guys in the room decided not to save Lehman Brothers?

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

It's a good question. The real issue is, I'd have to go back when you have these systems to the way your doctor responds to any type of emergency in your body, if they might decide to save your kidneys and let your gallbladder go because the gallbladder is less important to your overall system. People, if at that time, even it's not that long ago, the boogeyman was. What really happened, Jeffrey? What really happened? What is this financial crisis? And you know, some of the progressives and the right wing blame it on the banks. It was the bank's fault and it's the fault of this very esoteric, unknown concept of derivatives. It was really the derivatives that caused this financial crisis. Because the derivatives got somehow.

[Jay Dyer]

And that's true because they were betting with other people's money. Exactly what happened in Operation Gladio when the Banco d' Ambrosio fell apart and the Vatican bank was bankrupted. It's because these criminals were taking the pension funds and betting at really high leverage. So that's what he's referring to. And that is partially correct. Now, nobody was saying it's just the existence of derivatives. It's the criminals using other people's money and then getting bailed out. That's the crime here. And as big boss says, for $5, you know, this world has fallen. When the criminals are classist, you move bricks, I move regimes. We are not the same. Exactly. So again, he's kind of giving more interesting insider sort of information here that, well, yeah, technically it's not derivatives themselves. It's the criminals using these financial instruments at very high leverage to bat. And then when they go bankrupt, they can use the, the compromised politicians to bail them out with the public's money and taxes and all that. So absolutely, that's what's going on. And again, it's, it's the same model that you see if you study the Brazilian car wash scandal, if you study the FTX collapse, if you Study Banco d' Ambrosio and the Vatican bank collapse and. And bankrupting. Same model. And they just repeat the same sort of criminal techniques over and over.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

Oh, out of control and like in the Mickey Mouse.

[Interviewer]

And that was the way you started your financial. Your financial. Your road to a billionaire went right through derivatives.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

Yes, but it's. But derivatives were not the cause. Derivatives were not the cause at all. It's like saying your hair was the cause of your heart attack because it was on the top of your head. So what was the cause? There isn't. Let me say. There's no one specific cause. These are system collapses. So when. Many times when they have to make your death certificate, when you say, yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

There'S not one cause. It's an entire criminal organization and criminal syndicate operation that collapses. So, yeah, technically, I guess that's true. Right.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

Well, what did he die from? They'll say heart failure. But if you say what was the cause of his heart failure? Well, he had low blood pressure, his sugar was high, he was diabetic. He had all these other problems. They said, no, no, no. We need a word on your death certificate. Did he die from brain damage? Did he die from heart failure? That's the financial crisis. Many said. People said, well, what caused it? They wrote like on its death certificate, derivatives.

[Jay Dyer]

Now remember, there's exchanges between him and Bannon in the emails where he says he has to explain to Bannon inflation and the Federal Reserve are weapons. That's what's really going on. Now remember, this is the public interview, right? So this is Epstein's public face, full of admissions. But also there's the private communication, what Epstein really thinks. And that's why that's way more interesting than this. All this. This is very relevant.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

Interesting, but the rivers were not a fundamental. The rivers are not a fundamental cause of anything on the. So the.

[Interviewer]

Was it Sunday or Monday? I think it was Monday morning when you made your two collect calls. You were talking to Bear Stearns on one hand and Morgan Stanley the other. J.P. morgan, J.P. morgan. Did you. That was Monday morning. Did you? Jeffrey, being one of the.

[Jay Dyer]

I remember according to two World wars and Tiny Mustache Man. My publisher's new book, the whole chapter on the BIS is about J.P. morgan and J.P. morgan as a Rothchild front. So keep that in mind. The history of J.P. morgan. And what was that, guys? I forget the fir. The first J.P. morgan operative was something like Treadmont, Treadwell or whatever. But eventually JP Morgan became very powerful in. In the US as a kind of frontispiece for The Rothschild banking clique of.

[Interviewer]

Europe, Natural geniuses in the world. Did you understand what Lehman Brothers going to bankruptcy. The domino effect that by Thursday the financial system would be under such extremists that if it didn't have a trillion dollar cash infusion in the United States, it might collapse. Did you know that at the time? Did you view that at the time?

[Jay Dyer]

Yes. You did? Yeah. Why?

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

Again, I don't want to bore you or the audience with the idea of it's a medical procedure, but you had system failures. So you'd recognize that if I said to you, did you realize when your father was on the ground and he was clutching his chest and he couldn't.

[Jay Dyer]

This is the same bullshit that we heard at 9 11, right? Oh, what happened? Well, it was a system failures. There was systemic failures, intelligence failures. Yeah. And just like with that event, we got massive bailouts of the intelligence surveillance superstructure being erected and set up and funded through the intelligence failures. So if you read a lot of the espionage literature, what you'll find out is that they're very candid and usually admitting that the biggest successes in intelligence agencies histories is their great failures because it allows them to say, oh well, if we just had enough funding, we would have been protected against these systemic failures.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

Breathe. It was a bad situation. He could die. That's how I saw it.

[Interviewer]

Did you know, did you immediately think about the commercial paperwork? I mean, the mechanical triggers that actually had to. You had to blow through these circuit boards. Did you know the circuits? Did you understand the circuits or did you have a concept of the circuits that were getting blown through?

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

Yes, but only because of an analogy to a body. And in fact, from my set my telephones against the wall with my little metal wires, because the next day I talked to another person in Washington about the issues of what I thought was happening. And I made the same discussion about the.

[Interviewer]

They're at the Treasury Department.

[Jay Dyer]

Yes.

[Interviewer]

So in a, in a six by nine cell in.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

The phones are outside the cell.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah. So exactly. FC saying, look, it's not the fault of derivatives. America just had a heart attack. I'm sorry. Hey, listen, you know, maybe you, you know, maybe America has a little bit of a heart attack. You know, sorry that has to happen that way, but that's maybe what has to happen. You know, it's a system failure in.

[Interviewer]

In, in Palm Beach County, California.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

West Palm Beach, Florida.

[Interviewer]

West Palm Beach, Florida.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

That's what you do.

[Interviewer]

West Palm Beach, Florida. West Palm Beach, Florida. West Palm Beach, Florida. You're making a call to Washington D.C. to talk to some deputy deputies.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

Someone in Treasury.

[Interviewer]

Someone in Treasury. And that does not. The night before, before you go to bed, it doesn't dawn on you at all, you never have a moment of self reflection that how did I end up on this metal cot when I should be at the center of things?

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

No, I had a telephone. So I've said I can talk. It makes no difference where I am. In fact, I'm still talking to the same person if I was at my home in Palm Beach.

[Jay Dyer]

So, like a true Blofield gangster or like something out of Goodfellas? Or like, he's. He's running shit from the jail. He's, like, making calls and still doing his criminal Blofeld organization operations out of the damn community phone conference area at the prison. That's pretty crazy. All right, let's take a couple calls. We're progressing pretty good through the interview. We're almost halfway. Rika Rikers right now. What's up? What's up?

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

Yep.

[Jay Dyer]

What's up?

[Caller/Listener 1]

What's going on? Jay, can you hear me?

[Jay Dyer]

Well, yeah.

[Caller/Listener 1]

All right, cool. I'm gonna just. I got a quick question, and you could drop the. So back when we infiltrated Venezuela and, you know, got Maduro or whatever, I.

[Jay Dyer]

Was on Instagram and I saw this black comedian. He was like. It was all a distraction from the Jeff Steinman gaffer files.

[Caller/Listener 1]

And I just got me thinking, like, all my life I've been here. It's a distraction. It's a distraction. I kind of put this filter up to just think. Everybody that's saying that is, like, goofy.

[Jay Dyer]

Because you just hear it all the time.

[Caller/Listener 1]

So I was just wondering, like, from.

[Jay Dyer]

Your reading of, like, global elite text and things like that, like, do you.

[Caller/Listener 1]

Know of, like, some true signs of distractions or, like, real time, this has actually happened where they distract us with.

[Jay Dyer]

Something that we can point to. Yeah, great question. I think there's that movie with. I never remember the name of this movie, but it's Jessica Chastain, and she works for a PR company, and her job is basically to be a fixer. So she basically manages PR crises. Right. So when you have a crisis, a big politician, a banker, whoever, like, they can reach out for PR people to manage the crisis. And one of the things they do is flood it with, like, fake stories and fake news. So I would say if you look at, like, what happened after Pizzazz Gate, that was. Had some truth to it, and then they flooded it with all this kind of crazy, ridiculous stuff to get people to not pay Attention to pizzazz gate. Carl Rove, I think, mentions an example where he did this in one of the early campaigns. He brags about. He says he broke into the Democrat place and stole some of the letterhead from a rival political campaign. I remember who it was. And he says he forged something about that politician and then put it out and that damaged that. That politician. So Karl Rove has a famous example of this, I think, you know, cognitive infiltration. That is in the Cass Sunstein paper. He talks about doing this with fake conspiracies. So fake conspiracies are good examples. But when it comes to, like, mainstream stuff, it's hard to know when for sure something is a, quote, distraction. But I think you're right to say that a lot of people repeat this kind of stuff because they think it sounds smart. Right? So people just endlessly say the same stupid show. This is a distraction from this thing, maybe. Okay. Do you know that? Are you just saying that? Right. And yes, this is a shitlib movie, of course. But there is an insight into this movie or in this movie into how they manage crises. And by the way, you're right, Wag the Dog is another movie that has the same theme through. Thank you. I put that in my first book, by the way, or second book for forget which one. What's it called?

[Caller/Listener 1]

Okay.

[Jay Dyer]

It's not any of these. Is it Ms. Sloan or is that that poker Mo? Anybody remember what this movie is? I never remember the name of this movie, even though bring it up like all the time. Because it's. It's one movie about. I don't. I mean, there's only two movies. I know about this topic. There's Wag the Dog and then there's this public relations political thriller, which is weird because I think in the film somebody gets assassinated. And I want to say this is before the Seth Rich thing. No, it's not. Somebody help me to think of this movie. It's her only movie about public relations. It's not Dreams, not any of these. Speaking of Jessica Chastain, it's essential she pops up, by the way, in a lot of these, you know, sort of CIA ish political thrillers, particularly films that the CIA actually consulted on, like Zero Dark Thirty. So I wouldn't be surprised if.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

She.

[Jay Dyer]

Isn'T one of the. Ms. Sloan. That's it. Thank you. Yeah. So Ms. Sloan. Yeah. 2016 film. That's it. And again, it's from this Democrat shit lit perspective. Obviously anything from Hollywood is going to be that. But it is insightful into how they manage and steer crises. So this would be a good film for that, but. Nick, what's up, man?

[Interviewer]

Hello.

[Jay Dyer]

Hey, what's up? What's on your mind? I just wanted to ask like, sort of a political kind of question, but more philosophical. Okay, hold on.

[Caller/Listener 1]

So if, like, the political spectrum.

[Jay Dyer]

What is like, if the political spectrum is kind of defined by like, you know, the far left being communism, the modern, the moderate left being liberalism, and then the sort of right with like, fascism on the far right and conservatism on the modern right or the moderate right. And we kind of like, from an Orthodox perspective, you kind of reject that whole spectrum ontologically because it's like, you know, I was reading Father Sarah from Rose book Nihilism. He was talking about how it's like, all fundamentally, like, kind of vain or vapid. But anyway, so how should. What does the political spectrum look like from like an Orthodox theology point of view? Or is there just like one, like, belief that Orthodox believer should have? Like, politically, I mean, I defend Orthodox Christian monarchy. That's the traditional church's perspective and view and support Orthodox Imperium, Byzantium. That's the structure and the model. In fact, we have a super chat right now about that. J mel says for $30 months ago, you recommended me to read Reflections of a Russian Statesman. It's a tremendous read. Now it's on my reading list. Thank you, Jay. So that's a good one to check out because it's, you know, it's a pre modern perspective on the relationship of church and state. So that's what I would say is the normative, traditional perspective. However, we aren't in any kind of situation where it's actually realistic to think that there will be in any time, any near, near future, an Orthodox Christian monarch. So I think, you know, with that being the case, pragmatically speaking, you try to do, I guess, the best you can at a local level to implement, you know, as many Christian principles as you could if you are interested in being involved in politics. But, you know, that's. That depends on your interest in your calling. Not everybody's called politics. Not everybody's interested in politics. So people are saying Edge of Darkness is a great political thriller. Yeah, it's a. It's a conspiracy classic. In fact, I've got it included here in our Mel Gibson podcast. We did. We did Braveheart, Apocalypto conspiracy theory, Edge of Darkness, of course, Shout out to Bazed Trad Mel. Mel's an awesome, honorable dude. Mel went to athos and was taking tons and tons of pictures with Ortho Serbs, Ortho monastics, Greek Orthodox. He was all over Athos and. Yeah, So pray for the trad cats, you know, to come in our move in our direction. As you know, unfortunately, Rome will get worse and worse, so.

[Interviewer]

Boo.

[Jay Dyer]

Boo. What's up, Boo Boo. Hey, boo. What you doing? Gotta unmute. Jay should have been a movie critic. I was a movie critic. Yeah. What's up?

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

Hi.

[Caller/Listener 2]

I just had a question kind of pertaining to the Epstein files.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay.

[Caller/Listener 2]

I. I use tick tock, which I don't think you approve of, but I.

[Jay Dyer]

Mean, I'm on tick tock. I mean I just, I think.

[Podcast Host (Ad Read)]

Oh, you are?

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, I just think it like mind bombs people to become retards, but go ahead.

[Caller/Listener 2]

Yeah, I agree. But so I, I've been seeing like Candace Owens tick tocks and I also saw a tick tock about Erica Kirk, kind of like a conspiracy theory that she may have been trafficking children for Epstein. I don't know if you saw that and I just kind of wanted your opinion on it.

[Jay Dyer]

I have not seen that. I don't know anything about that. I mean, again, if evidence pops up of that, people should talk about it and cover it. But so much stuff that's going around now is just right. People are just like spreading and tick tock is the worst for just absolutely mind numbing, insane dumb stuff to go viral. So I do think there's a lot of questions with TP usa. For example, that Morgan Ariel chick was trying to act like, oh, all the Candace questioners just got owned because Erica Kirk said that Charlie really did think that traffic lights would shut off when he walked by them. How is that an own of anything that actually makes you more. Because first of all, the whole idea that being around a traffic light or a street light itself shutting off is in some way some sort of mystical indicator of anything is first and foremost. Secondly, nobody was saying that Charlie Kirk necessarily didn't say that. They were just saying that it's a thing to even try to argue for anything. It proves nothing. And then they shifted into when Candace finds a clip or some proof of something more. They think that's an own against Candace critics. No, it actually makes you look dumber, you idiot. And what do we see Candace saying this week? More stuff. This is like, it's beyond quadrupling down. It's what we're. We're sex toppling down. Because now it's not just mystical street lamp powers because of his vibes, because he was in the GATE program. I was in the gay program. It's not. It's not Professor X. It's not X Men. Now, they do study people and children. That's part of MK Ultra. But there's no evidence that they were trying to metaphysically take out Charlie because they saw in the future timelines that he would save the world. It's just insanity, dude. Totally insanity. And this is literally what she says, like, every day now. Every day. Her show is the next level of X Files silliness. Listen, I.

[Caller/Listener 2]

That's why that sentence caught my attention in the article.

[Jay Dyer]

He spoke about the street lamps that.

[Caller/Listener 2]

Would go off when he would run.

[Jay Dyer]

About the special school that he had to go to. You spoke about a lot of the things that were strange in our childhood, the testing that both of us had to endure. We spoke about the fact that we.

[Podcast Host (Ad Read)]

Could both astral project.

[Jay Dyer]

You know, all of this. Of course you have. So her and Charlie are mystical, interdimensional twin flames that astral project and speak to each other. Because, remember, Charlie spoke to her out of purgatory. Her priest told her, and that's how she knows intuitively what's going on. So, like, people want to believe this over what's actually in the Epstein files. The actual documented, provable things. The real, like, bombshell stuff. People would rather be talking about this stuff, of course, no surprise. But when he. Somebody said, you should have been a movie critic. Yeah, we did a whole full production TV show right here. Being a movie critic. You can check it out right there. That was 20, 18, 16. So a lot of what's going on in. In this, the Candace Sphere, for example, it's very closely. It's very similar to what you see with the thought about bitcoin. Right. Like when we saw Benny Johnson interviewing Mike Benz and they said, oh, bitcoin is fake. And they play the clip of Dan Pena clipped. Not the full clip. Half the clip where Dan Pena says, the idiot Boomer. If you knew at bitcoin who created it, you would sell your bitcoin. It's going to zero. And they're thinking that the clip is about Epstein. The full clip has him saying it's Putin. Literal Boomer tard retardation. They didn't even play the full clip. The supposed journalist Benny Johnson didn't. Didn't even take the time to look up the full clip. And if you think Putin created bitcoin, please go away from the stream. Don't even be on my stream. A lot of people say, I wish Putin hadn't created bitcoin. So wait a minute, I thought it was the NSA and the CIA that created bitcoin. What? They did it together with Putin. Wait till Candace says that next. Okay, let's go back to Jeff Stein Gapper here.

[Interviewer]

But I'm here in jail beach.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

I can die.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh no. I'm sorry. I did want to mention why you cover up for tpusa. Why are you covered? Dude, I've already done multiple streams for years about CIA evangelical black ops churches that they're fake and gay. For years we did streams on that 10 years ago. Why are you defeated TP USA? Why would you call out Michael Aquino and Paul valley? You mean 10 years ago when Michael Aquino cited in my book my war side war 10 years ago. When you gonna talk about TP?

[Interviewer]

That's no, but you can also make a thousand phone calls here. You got to make one and he's.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

Got a Think how much better that was. I had to decide who was the right person to call. That was unusual for me because I would have called 20 people.

[Interviewer]

And what was this? What was the advice you gave me?

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

I said we have. You have a sick patient and it's very much like a sick patient in the emergency room. Don't you can't think about it like your car. People in normal walks of life think.

[Jay Dyer]

About money and dude, nobody has talked about intelligence agencies and churches more than me. I've been doing that for over 10 years. Actually. Type in CIA and religion or CIA and churches. What do you know? 7, 8 years ago 30,000 views how the CIA subverts churches and religions. Ten months ago we did a three hour almost stream on CIA, KGB, NGOs, think tanks and Christianity. Five years ago church spies, CIA, KGB churches and geopolitics intelligence agencies in the church right here. Shout out to Rachel Wilson, by the way because she also has been doing many many podcasts on the exact same topic. Now there was a recent stream specifically on evangelical black ops churches and we were commenting on Candace and all that stuff. So let me find you that one because that one is probably most relevant for this. Candace Owens and evangelical black ops business Church right here. Three, almost three months ago. There's a whole three hour stream on it. Will you talk about tbsa? Why you talk about evangelical black op churches? Why don't you talk about the thing that you're the dude to talk. I'm the dude on this topic. Nobody has covered this topic more than me in the last decade. And to have absolute come here and say he won't Cover the evangelical black ops CIA churches. Cuz he's defe works for tpsa. He's in love with Eric Kirk.

[Caller/Listener 1]

He got a crush on Eric Kirk.

[Jay Dyer]

He's paid shield. By the way, if you go to my channel and you type in charismatic, that's another one. Dude. Some of those six hour streams have like 60,000 views. So like what are you talking about? And I call out the charismatic churches as money laundering, fraud, scam institutions. And it's weird because it doesn't matter how many times you call it out and it doesn't matter how many clips channels clip it. You won't call this out because you're part of it. Five years ago, business, church, calling out mega churches. 65,000 views on a four hour live stream. I'm sorry that Tik Tok ruined your attention span that you can't go actually listen to a full podcast. That's not my fault. That's your fault for spending all your time bombing your mind on Tick tock. That's your fault. It's not mine. By the way, Rachel literally just went on Cleave last week talking about this subject. Shout out to Cleave. Let's see if that's still up. So we come over here, let's see if it's under. Maybe it's under live streams. Let's see. Oh, look at this right here. How the CIA and big foundations subverted Christianity right there. And I think Cleave and I did a stream on that too. Is it this one? So here is Rachel discussing it with Cleave. I want to say Rachel and I did a podcast on this too. I can't remember. There's, there's every day there's podcasts. So yeah, I think we just. Cleave and I discussed it here in this one too. So check that out. Giving props to other people. Anyway, we're never going to finish Jeff's time, but that's okay. What's up, Braveheart? Braveheart, you want to unmute?

[Caller/Listener 2]

Hey, I called about 10 days ago, so hoping tonight I might actually get an answer my question. It's kind of on the subject that you're talking about.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh, you were. You got mad because we made the wine mom joke.

[Caller/Listener 2]

Sorry, can you hear me?

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah. You got mad because we made a wine mom joke. Okay, it's just joke, first of all.

[Caller/Listener 2]

Okay, I, I didn't hear the word and I don't drink the wine that you talked about. So yeah, you had a fun.

[Jay Dyer]

It's just a joke. Can you not take A joke.

[Caller/Listener 2]

That's fine. That's fine. But what I'm trying to say is I really do. I do respect you, Jay. Okay? And the reason I'm asking you the question is because of your background and your knowledge.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay?

[Caller/Listener 2]

And I respect that. Wait, I need to ask it. Because you didn't answer it. You jumped right into this whole Candace thing.

[Jay Dyer]

I literally just answered your question in the last five minutes. The last five. Of course it does. What do you mean? It doesn't have anything? No, yes, it does.

[Caller/Listener 2]

Bring her up. I had nothing to do with that. I don't follow her. Okay, listen, I asked you a simple. What I thought was a simple question.

[Jay Dyer]

You said, why aren't you covering Erica?

[Caller/Listener 2]

You don't have to answer.

[Jay Dyer]

You said, why aren't you cover. I did. My gosh.

[Caller/Listener 2]

No, look, it. Can I just get the question out?

[Jay Dyer]

You said, why don't you cover Erica and tpusa? And I said I do.

[Caller/Listener 2]

I didn't say that.

[Jay Dyer]

Yes, you did.

[Caller/Listener 2]

I didn't. I asked you. What does your discernment tell you? What did it tell you?

[Jay Dyer]

Come on. That's what you meant by saying that.

[Caller/Listener 2]

Saw Erica Neil next to his coffin long before anybody came up with any theories. I knew my four year old grandson.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay, good. I'm asking you, did you know when did I defend Erica Kirk back then?

[Caller/Listener 2]

And I get it, you're the expert.

[Jay Dyer]

On all this, all right?

[Caller/Listener 2]

You've done it for years. Five years ago.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, I know. Okay, fine, you win. You expose me. Go make some exposed clips. You're still mad. Emerald, what's up? What's up? Hello? Yes, ma'. Am.

[Caller/Listener 2]

Hey, I had a question with all the Epstein stuff, so I know, obviously, like, you know, they hate children. I was wondering if, from what you've seen, is there any, like. Are they the ones that have kind of caused and pushed like the whole abortion agenda, or do you think that they just mainly have benefited from it?

[Jay Dyer]

Well, you have a lot of people in this sphere of the Zio who openly say abobo abortions are a sacrament. They're part of our religion. So, yes, I think they see it as part of warfare to abort the children of people who are their perceived enemies. They see it as useful for experimentation. We saw Peter Nygaard in those interviews that we played says, I will pay you black chicks for your fetal cells. So it's exper. It's all the above and probably worse stuff. So. Maxwell, what's up?

[Caller/Listener 1]

Hey, can you hear me?

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, so one second, before you say something Maxwell, I actually forgot. I just saw the tab. We need to get back into some proverbs, right? So we're going to start doing one chapter of Proverbs on a live stream because people don't have wisdom. So hopefully we can, we can gain a little wisdom and practical insight through maybe just a little bit of proverbs every time we do a live stream because we're not short of knowledge. Okay. This society is overly inundated with data. What we actually need is wisdom to apply the data and information. So there's difference between knowledge and wisdom. Wisdom is the application of knowledge in the right way at the right time, the right place. So what's up, Maxwell?

[Caller/Listener 1]

Hey, I just wanted to ask how. How do I explain to someone that's not orthodox or doesn't even want to come to it how we are not Pharisees and we are not as legalistic as they are?

[Jay Dyer]

Oh, I mean, I would get them to define and, and get them to tell you what they think a Pharisee is and what it means, because a lot of times, especially if it's like a Protestant or evangelical, like, they're going to explain a lot of things about a Pharisee that could apply to any group, any denomination, any Baptist pastor could potentially be a Pharisee. So just get them to be really precise and then say, well, let's look at the things that characterize the Pharisees in Scripture. Right? It's not tradition. It's tradition in the place of the Word of God. It's not having robes. It's being obsessed with the external appearances and praying on the street corners. Right? It's those externals and focusing on the externals that characterize the Pharisee and the hypocrisy and all that. And those characteristics can conceivably be anywhere. So it wouldn't be unique to Orthodoxy. And if those are the things that are problematic, then why does Jesus say that the Pharisees sit in the seat of Moses and they have the authority but do as they say, not as they do? Right. So even using Pharisees can be an under. Can undercut the Protestant argumentation.

[Caller/Listener 1]

I just asked that specifically because today of being asked why does the. I was telling someone that our. In our church today or next Sunday, we're going to have a crowning for people that. Or a couple that has been Orthodox. Orthodox about 10 years or five, but they've been married for 35 years. Well, the husband is going to become a deacon. They wanted an official offici and a Church officiated, wedding.

[Jay Dyer]

Sure.

[Caller/Listener 1]

And they asked why, why do they need that? They're married in the eyes of God, aren't they? I said, if, if you can just say that's made in the eyes of God without doing that, you could say anything. Anything is made.

[Jay Dyer]

Right, Right. Well, I think again, yeah, well, this has to do with the Orthodox view of the sacraments, that we don't typically recognize sacraments outside the Orthodox Church. And even if there is a recognition of the ritual being done and then the decision by the bishop to not redo the ritual, that doesn't necessarily mean that we're saying that they had all the sacramental graces. Now, it also doesn't mean that we're saying that Protestants don't have any grace. It's just simply saying that we don't know and we're not recognizing what's going on out there that's outside of our domain of judgment. Remember, Paul says to the church, I think in Corinth, he says, do you not. He says, do not judge those that are without. You make judgments about those that are within. And so it's because of the unique nature of the ecclesiology Orthodox Church that it's a fixed, unique soul sacramental institution that undergirds those ideas. Now, in the case of that person, not everybody necessarily has to redo the ceremony, but it's a very, very beautiful ceremony. So for example, in our church in Florida, we've had multiple couples that have wanted to do that because they wanted the full, you know, ritual and service. It's the same with baptism. It's like, can the grace of God make up for a Protestant baptism? If you weren't, quote, baptizing the Orthodox Church, yeah, the grace of God can make up for it. But a lot of people want, for example, the exorcism prayers. And most churches, you know, Roman Catholic Church, like, you don't get the exorcism prayers and they want that as part of their entrance into the church. So, yeah, I just, I think with a person that is just sort of out of hand, thinking everything is Phariseeism, it's going to be pretty difficult, you know, to explain a lot of the history and the nuance to that kind of really low tier Protestant objection. But, you know, in time maybe they can start to, to get it. But Bon Jovi, $50. This may be a reach, but do you think that the way that the, the, the files were put out that this pushes us closer to some form of AI governance? Oh, that's an interesting Theory. I haven't seen anybody propose that yet. I think that eventually they want to go to, you know, AI governance, but. Maybe if they get enough people sort of dumbed down in the rec, you know, Reddit, tick tock sphere to think that AI will be an impartial, righteous judge, which is really stupid because it's only going to be as impartial as the people who program it. Which is why we see, for example, AI even now can either be based or woke, depending upon how it's programmed. So could be. That's an interesting theory. You know, you do have no Yuval Harari saying stuff like, well, when the AI is advanced enough, you know, we won't need human politicians and judges and we won't be, you know, subject to the typical human passions and corruptions. And I want to be better when AI is running all the governments and all that. So they're definitely pushing that angle. I don't know if that had anything to do with motivating the disclosure. So, Mario, $5. Not to distract from the stream, but I would love your take on the post millennial theory. You've done research. It's one thing that makes everything make sense after you've done research. I mean, I've been into post millennialism since 2004. Dude, what are you talking about? After doing some research, I've read all the post millennial writers. I have all their books on that shelf, so I tend to favor the post mill view. So I don't know, like, I'm not trying to be a douchebag. I don't have to do research on it. But thank you for this, Phoenix. Phoenix E$50. Blessed Feast of St Theodore, the Commander and great martyr to those of us on the new calendar. Thank you, Phoenix. Appreciate that. That's a generous, super chat. You guys are being very generous tonight. Imperial analysts and imperial analysis 20. Great work, Jay. I love your content. I've been watching for four years do more gaming streams. Yes, I do intend to. I was gonna do more Alan Wake, but the problem is that I got in this habit of where after the live stream, I would go play Alan Wake. And now I'm almost done with Alan Wake. I've almost beat it. So I kind of shot myself in the foot because when I started the game, I didn't really know what I was doing. And now I'm almost done with it. But here's the good news. We will definitely do the new Resident Evil. I can guarantee 100. I will live stream that I played and beat every resident evil ever. I love Resident Evil. In fact, I might just redo Resident Evil 4 for you guys because I've beaten that through like five times. So that one I know I won't embarrass myself on. A lot of people said do Arc Raiders. I may do that. I also got way further in cyberpunk too. So we will definitely do more gaming series, I promise. They're a lot of fun. I'm orthodox. I have orthodox friends who are pushing the Augustinian original sin damnation of infants view. It's a. In fact, we had a comment today from Nikolai Korea. Shout out to Nikolai. And he quoted Father Stephen DeYoung. And Father Stephen DeYoung said, I don't know any orthodox bishops, nor have I ever heard of one. Nor is my bishop a believer in inherited guilt. Again, why would we get Our theology from 17 year old furries on Twitter? And I am not joking. One of the main proponents of this nonsense is a literal 17 year old furry. I don't think that's wise to to go to for theology. Demiurge, $3. Excellent work, Yakubian Soldier. Well, speaking of demiurge and Gnosticism, next Monday on the Crucible, I will be debating Monday night Gnostic informant, who turns out is not gnostic. I know it was really ridiculous of me to assume that Gnostic informant was agnostic, but he's not. And we will be debating his monism, even though he's an Aristotelian, which Aristotle was a dualist, a dietist, but he's an Aristotelian monist, so that'll be fun. Monday night on the Crucible, vane says for $3 I will be baptized in the Orthodox Church this month. Hey, shout out to vain. Long time super chatter. Longtime audience. Brad, bro, welcome. God reaches people through your work. Thank you. That actually keeps me fueled up. I feel like I'm doing the right thing when you guys remind me of that. Dragos $1. Dragos $1. Jay, what about placebo effect? What do you think about rehabilitating injury through that? Is there a higher. I don't. I honestly don't know anything about placebo studies. I've been meditating, breathing and thinking of nothing. No enlightenment. Not enlightenment for a mental reason. I can stay more conscious throughout the day as opposed to scrolling tick tock. Is it a neutral thing? Explain. Well, I appreciate your comment, but I don't exactly know what you mean. Dragosh, I gave you two two dollars worth of donations about breathing. Are they too cheap? I just don't know what what it means. Welcome to all the new members. We got about 10 or so new members. Dreus 5 bucks. Robert Maxwell's publishing company was Pergamon. They publish Changing Images of man. Yes, we mentioned that when we did our Changing Images of Man lectures, which was I think the last global elite text that we did. And we are presently still working through the old boys. And I, I have not forgotten. I know people are waiting for the part two because it's been several weeks, but we got so inundated with Jeff Steve McGuffery information that I've not gotten back yet to old boys. Although I am ready to do the part two.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

Foreign.

[Jay Dyer]

$5. In this world of day of so much data, how do we digest information and make it stick? How do we gain wisdom and intelligence and apply it? Great question. That is definitely a challenge in the never ending infinity data world that we're in. Well, let's go ahead and kick off our wisdom section. This will be our wisdom segment. We're going to actually see if we can gain some wisdom. Of course, Proverbs was for those that don't know, a catechism. It was intended to be a catechism for young men during the Old Testament period. And of course this the church fathers often recommend the wisdom text and catechism Proverbs and other deuterocanonical texts for catechesis. So it's pretty much the same for us as well. So let's read one chapter and see if we can gain wisdom. We'll make this a segment in every one of our streams. Proverbs 11. We're going to skip past the chapters on. I guess I should begin with 10, the wisdom chapters. So we're going to start with 10 because the all the way up to nine are the wisdom text. Rusa, $10 and he's got a Hanukkah candelabra. Are you a Russian spy? Yes, absolutely. Russian spy, Never been to Russia, been invited to Russia, haven't gone. But because I'm an Orthodox Christian, I must be a Russian spy. Yep. And what's funny is that people don't even realize that most of the people that are expatriates who make up Rokor in Europe and in America were actually fleeing Bolsheviks and the NKVD and were aided by the CIA and British intelligence to come to the west. The White Russians for example. But today's people are so dumbed down, no nuance, they assume Russian Orthodox churches must be kgb. Even though the KGB persecuted Rokor in Russian church. This is what people think A lot of the trad cats think this. It's completely stupid Proverbs. A wise son makes a glad father, but a foolish son is a grief to his mother. So honoring our father and mother is very important in proverbs and the beginning of catechesis here. Now at the beginning of Proverbs we learned that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. And that's relevant I think for the atheists because all of the atheists number one flaw isn't really their lack of information or iq. It's actually a moral problem. That's the problem with atheism. The fool has said in his heart there's no God in the Psalms. So atheism is actually a moral and spiritual problem that has to do with pride and arrogance as opposed to a lack of evidence or knowledge. Treasures of wickedness profit nothing but righteousness delivers from death. So if we make our focus on just getting paid and stacking, stat, stacking cash, our life will be profitless, our life will be travail. But it's more important to be righteous, to live according to the virtues, according to the ten Commandments. That's more important than attaining wealth. But of course most of this world follows the attainment of wealth over any concern for righteousness. The Lord will not allow the righteous soul to famish, but. But he casts away the desire of the wicked. And remember in a lot of the proverbs we have what are kind of, it's its own unique type of literature, wisdom literature, and they're giving generalities. So we have to understand when we interpret these, these are not absolute universal claims, okay? It's not as if no righteous person was ever hungry. But generally speaking, God will provide for his people and not allow them to be destroyed or to go hungry. And that could be interpreted both physically and spiritually as well. And we should always put of course, the spiritual first over the physical and the temporal. He who is lazy or has a slack hand becomes poor. But he, but the hand of the diligent makes one rich. Now notice how many of the proverbs deal with economics. And we have a lot of people who are super spiritual and they're too spiritual for money and economics, especially when they're broke. Young dudes who don't want to think about how to actually make money or be successful, it's much easier to pity, signal and talk about how spiritual they are. Even though they're not actually monks or monastics or they haven't taken any vows of poverty, they use that as a Way to feel better than other people, when in fact, no, it is still the case that working hard is what will make you successful, both in terms of spiritual things and in terms of earthly things. He who gathers in the summer is a wise son, but he sleeps and harvest the son who causes shame. So here we have another one against sloth. So the idea that just laying around and wasting time and not doing anything, not putting the hand to work or savings. Notice this is also a principle of economically, of saving money. Now, fiat money, not the wisest thing to save. You might want to have some fiat money saved up for, you know, because it's not always easy to get out of gold or out of bitcoin per se. But until we get onto a bitcoin standard, you might want to have some fiat. And certainly gold is better than fiat. But ultimately I would say in my view, bitcoin is the ultimate time tested. Well, I think we'll see it's time tested. But compared to gold, it will be the ultimate time tested money because it's already been way more successful than gold has been if you compare the last 15 years. Blessings are on the head of the righteous. But violence covers the mouth of the wicked. Think about the way that the people in the antifa and the leftist crowd operates, right? Think about revolutionaries, think about Robespierre or Trotsky or Lenin. And these people are out for blood. The left these days, they want blood, right? Why? Because they're wicked. Because their violence even comes out of their mouth. They can't even talk without expressing a demonic furor. To have blood and violence. But those that are righteous, that don't follow that path, we end up blessed. The memory of the righteous is even blessed, but the name of the wicked will rot. This is another proverb that backs up the idea of saints and honoring the lives of the saints, honoring the relics and the images of the saints, because their memory is a blessing. It is blessed. But wicked men oftentimes in history go out with a bang and no one remembers them. Their name rots. They. They get forgotten. Here's a really important one for what we deal with on a daily basis now. It definitely applies to today's stream, but it applies to everybody in our lives. A wise man receives instruction, receives commands, receives rebukes. But prattling fools fail and will fall. Think about the debate sphere. How appropriate is this to the debate sphere? How many prattling fools have we heard over the last five, seven, ten years of online debate? How many prattling feminists have Andrew and Rachel encountered? How Many prattling atheists, prattling feminists, like, not so erudite that I've encountered and debated. And what happens? They make fools of themselves. Their very words hang themselves within their own five minute diarrhea fits. But a person who's wise is willing to receive instruction. He's willing to be corrected, willing to follow the truth no matter what. That's the goal here. The wise man doesn't try to make reality fit what he wants to be the case. He follows the truth and thus is willing to be wrong, willing to be correct and willing to be instructed. Everybody should be willing to be that way. He who walks with integrity will walk, surely. But those that pervert their way will become known. So remember, personal integrity is very important. And your reputation with other people is really important too. And when it comes to, it comes to integrity, if you do not have integrity, what ends up happening is eventually you burn the bridges with everybody else, right? Mainly because you don't have integrity. How many people have we seen in the media sphere, in the al alt media sphere, the Internet sphere, with no integrity, who burn all the bridges, lose all their friends, stab everybody else in the. And they pervert their way. And ultimately a lot of times this becomes known. The mouth of the righteous is a well of life. But violence covers the mouth of the wicked again. So the righteous is a well of life. We can think of Jacob's well, we can think of the woman at the well. We can think of Jesus comparing himself to the flowing forth of the waters of life as the ultimate well. Jesus is that well, and his words are life. And so likewise those of us who talk and explain this to other people, as our catechism say, those are works of mercy to correct the errant, to rebuke the wicked. In our little catechisms and in our little prayer books, we learn that those are good things to do, and it is actually good to do that. Now, you can have bad motives for doing that, but as long as you're doing it with good motives, those are good things. And thus the righteous own wellspring out of his own heart, out of his own mouth becomes a fountain of life. Hatred stirs up strife, but love covers sins. Why would you reach out to Fuentes? Why would you try to say that you would like to, you know, see him flourish and do well? Why do, why do you even do that? Why do you reach out to these people? Because hatred stirs up strife, Love and peace. Try to make amends. Paul says, as much as depends on you, try to be at Peace with all men. Now, obviously there's limitations. I don't reach out, try to be friends with every single wicked person. That's wisdom, knowing when and where to apply it. But if you see people going in directions that you would like to help them not go into to, then it may. I think it makes perfect sense. Why would I do debates with Tim Gordon? Do I hate Tim Gordon? Not at all. I loved him. I liked him a lot. I consider Tim a bro. His wife, his family, they're amazing people. They're great people. The debates, even if they get heated and intense from my vantage point or because I don't want to see him being in a bad situation. When I debated Nick Fuentes, I didn't hate Nick Fuentes. I don't judge him on anything. I would like to see him move in the right direction. And look, it's the same method and approach that you get from me with everybody. When Alex Jones asked me about an Orthodox church, this and that, I say, here's a good Orthodox church in. In Austin, Texas. Check out Father Moses Church. A lot of people said, how come Dyer didn't call out Elijah Schaefer? Well, first of all, I almost never call out people's personal lives over here. I don't do that. It's not. It's not a lot of drama streams. I will do a blood sports debate or something like that. It's not a huge deal to me. But we don't usually do a lot of the drama stuff over here. And doesn't bother me that people do it. That's fine. That's their thing. Just not what I typically do. Now, Elijah reached out to me after we were on the show a couple times with him. We did a interview and then I think we did a debate. We had Luigi down there, and then we had the debate with Tim. And Elijah said, hey, I'm interested in orthodoxy. Could you put me in touch with anybody, a priest or somebody? And he got Father Moses's number and they had one conversation. So what was it you thought I was supposed to do in this situation? Was I supposed to make exposed streams on Elijah? I don't follow Elijah's personal life. I don't know what he's up to. But in that situation, I did the exact same thing that I've done with every single other person in this sphere. If they ask me questions about orthodoxy or if we have that conversation, I point them in that direction. And it was the same thing with Sarah Stock. Now, if those people don't go in that direction, if they choose not to pursue that control, that. That's not up to me. People said years ago, why did you go hang out with Wicca phase? He's a Wiccan. He's not. It's just a name that he chose because he thought it was cool. And when I went and hung out with him, I got him to get an orthodox study Bible. He said, I want to talk to you about the Bible. Tell me what Bible I should get. Everybody said, oh, you're hanging out with him and doing magic rituals and Satanism. There was none of that told. Just absolute nonsense because we thought of a funny picture next to a casket that was a B movie set. There was also an airbrushed snake. Yeah, Satanists are really worshiping in an airbrushed snakes. Yeah, airbrush. People are doing the. The work at the satanic temples. Come on, dude. The whole vibe was hanging out and joking around. We did an interview. Why would you talk to Dasha? Because I want Dasha to become orthodox. I think her husband is okay. She moves in the direction of being interested in Eastern Catholicism. Hey, that's a step in our direction. Maybe she'll become orthodox. So people love to string together these conspiracies. It's like all we do is the same thing with all these people. Why were you on Crowder? You work for Crowder? Andrew helped me get an interview with Gerald, and we talked about all the same stuff we always talk about. Like, what do you expect, man, When I go on the Hodge twins, and the Hodge twins say, I think Islam based. Islam pretty based, ain't it? No, Islam is not based. Islam ain't based. What you mean? What you mean Islamic beast? We have the same conversation. I have anybody else. So there you go. I don't think it's a good idea to intentionally try to stir up strife without some good reason. You do have to have you draw your line in the sand. You have a red line, right? You don't cross that line. Sometimes it is necessary to call people out. But I think that the general attitude is we try to keep the peace. We try to be on good terms with people and, you know, say take. In the case of Nick, I've only disagreed with certain takes and positions. That's it. Same approach to Tim Gordon. Disagree with certain takes and positions. And by the way, remember the attitude of proverbs here. A true friend will tell you if he disagrees and will help you if he thinks you're making a. If you need a course correct. A yes man, a gopher, a Toty isn't a true friend. There's another thing too, that I think goes on in this sphere, and there's a reason for it. Again, as we've talked about in the media sphere, a lot of people are, you know, backstabber, narcissistic types of people, because it's media, it draws that kind of, you know, people that want attention and all that. So there is the tendency for people in media to. You have to be on guard because so many people, people are snakes and they'll burn you and they burn bridges. So it's understandable why people would be so guarded. And that makes perfect sense. I have to be guarded too. There was somebody reaching out to me, oh, let's do this, let's do this. And I'm like, I don't know you, so let's hold your horses, dog. I don't know you yet. So. But I think that our goal, not just in media, but whatever your job is, whatever you're doing in life, right? Proverbs is going to be a great instruction manual on how to handle things practically. And I'm just saying from my own experience over the years, I've. I've been doing Proverbs over and over and over since I was like 19. And, and that's because it's helped me a lot throughout life. I've always found new insights, new nuggets, new wisdom, and same with the rest of the durocanonical text too. But especially young men. I would, I would encourage young men to consistently get in the habit of, of Proverbs. Wise people store up knowledge, but the mouth of the fool is near destruction. Well, you got all them books. You read all them books. What did we see Tate say the other day? I don't read books.

[Jeff Stein McCaffrey]

Books are for dorks.

[Jay Dyer]

I need to have a fight. I need a. I don't read books. Right? Well, Proverbs says otherwise. Proverbs says that a wise man stores up knowledge. Hence why you see two different rooms in this house that are all books. And by the way, having a home library was something everybody had 50, 60 years ago. Did you know every home used to have a home library? And now what do men have? Do men have a. A study? No, they have their man cave. So they have their simulated masculinity of sports hole. By the way, shout out to all. Almost 3000 of y'. All. We had over 3000 earlier. Shout out to all y' all who are not obsessed with sports hole. Woo. Props to all of the cool dudes and 9% chicks who are not obsessing over sweaty black men running in circles. Did you see the black dude? He ran in a circle. Oh my gosh. Dude. He just. But he did so much running in a circle. And he did that. He did it again. It was like, holy crap, dude. And he was freaking sweaty when he did it. So much freaking sweat, dude. The black dudes are running in circles again. Honey, honey, come in here. I'm going to scream at the screen cuz the black dudes are running in the circles. He did it. He did it. I can't believe he did it. He ran in a circle. I grew up with people obsessed with freaking Tennessee football. If you're from Tennessee, man. My blood runs orange. My blood runs orange. Boy, now we have some fans of sports who always get mad when I do this. I don't care if you like football. I'm just talking about the people that make it their religion, dude. And I grew up with my blood runs orange. Do people in Tennessee get UT orange coffins? They paint their house UT orange. And I'm not kidding. When I worked at the paint store for 10 years, I had memorized the formula of UT Orange. So I grew up with. Uncles and aunts and I was about to say dads. But I only have one dad. Dads. I had my two dads. I grew up. I grew up my two dads. And they were just screaming at the tv. Tennessee. Anyway. Just kidding. I don't have two dads. I don't have. What if. What if I did have two dads and my two dads were actually Paul Reiser and that other tall bearded dude? What if Paul Reiser and that bearded dude were my real two dads, but also they were straight? Whoa, dude. Cuz if. Remember in my two dads weren't. They were straight. Right? It wasn't two gay dudes. Rachel, did you want to come up? I saw a minute ago you were thumbing down. Did you want to say something? Feel free to chime in if you would like to. By the way, it's just jokes. You guys like if you want to watch football, I don't really care. I mean I will watch a. A. I like an MMA fight every now and then. Those are fun.

[Caller/Listener 2]

If I thumbs down. I did not mean to.

[Jay Dyer]

That's okay. I don't. You could.

[Caller/Listener 2]

You could disagree and 100 you. Because I was backing you up on the. I have the same Candace Tards in my timeline all over the place telling me I'm gonna. You're gonna regret this. When it turns out that Candace can prove that she was doing the astral projection. Feels stupid. And they're, like, telling me. They're like, you're just saying this because you're a fed shill and you don't know about the CIA and you don't know, but. And I'm like, I've been ran about this for years. If you're.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah. By the way, how would you prove anything about that? How would.

[Caller/Listener 2]

Substack dummies.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, how would you prove that Candace can astral project? I'm thinking she would have already got me. You know what I mean? Like, if I woke up with sleep paralysis and I look over and I would see, you know, sweet candies, you know, ethereal body over there ready to pounce, then I would believe it.

[Caller/Listener 2]

I'm just wondering how come she didn't get any vibes about, like, why didn't she need premonitions or dreams to warn him not to go that day or, like, have more security or something? I guess all of her psychic abilities failed on that day. But it's just like, they're. They're so terrifyingly wrapped into this. They're so bought in that it's there. I have Christians arguing with me that astral projection and stuff is that it's actually biblically supported. Oh, what about Paul? When Paul said. And I'm just like, dude, you.

[Jay Dyer]

It.

[Caller/Listener 2]

They're so crazy that you really just can't even talk to them. They're, like, way past talking.

[Jay Dyer]

Actually, you know what?

[Caller/Listener 2]

The whole thing of, like, the people coming at me saying I'm a fed shill who, like, loves the CIA or I don't know about the CIA, and it's like, what are you talking about? I have a bestseller which has entire chapters on CIA.

[Jay Dyer]

What do you mean? I've never.

[Caller/Listener 2]

What do you mean? I don't know about it.

[Jay Dyer]

No, absolutely. And I have to give some points, though, because that's actually pretty creative eisegesis there. I'll give some points. Like, I wouldn't have even thought about using Paul's, you know, vision of the third heavens. That's actually a pretty creative attempt at proof texting for. For astral projection. I'll have to give some points for that. That's. That's create. It's not. That's not what the text is about. But that's. They get some points for creative isegesis. But, yes, now I'm all lost in my thought. I was about to go to something. I forgot what it was. All right, let's go back to Proverbs after I've skipped one. So wisdom is found in the lips of those understanding, but the rod is for the back of those who are devoid of understanding. I would say that if you think about generally in life, people that have understanding, they're usually able to avoid prison and prison beatings anyway. Wise people store up knowledge that we did that one. A rich man's wealth is his strong city, but the destruction of the poor is their poverty. The righteous leads to life. The labor of the righteous life, the wages of the wicked is sin. Paul repeats that of course in principle in Galatians, right? He who keeps instruction in the way of life is in the way of life, but he refuses correction goes astray. So notice oftentimes we are our own worst enemies. If we do not receive correction and instruction, we usually end up going astray and that's because of our own hard headedness. Whoever hides hatred has lying lips and whoever spreads slander is a fool. This is important one to remember because the Internet is a rage hate machine. And this week alone, for example, I saw a lot of speculation and people gossiping and, and, and I understand that as commentators, obviously our character to a degree matters. But also. Remember, when we call things out, right, we'll have to give an account as well. So now I'm not saying that that makes Sarah Stock an ideal right wing commentator. I'm not saying that and I'm not saying that I'm condoning Elijah or any of that. I'm just saying, like, I've seen sex scandals in media and government and, and it never ends. But. I don't know what to say about that. I would just simply say that a lot of people capitalize on events when they hate a person. That's what I'm trying to say. And I think as orthodox, we should not do that. Again, it takes wisdom and it takes propriety to know when to call something out and when to not. And also as Scripture says many times, to overlook a transgression. Now I'm not saying overlook Sarah Stock or Elijah, you know, being hypocritical. But also I'm saying that let's be measured in the way that we go about these things because in, in the media world, nobody's measured. Everyone just rushes to judgment, rushes to the worst. And they hide their real motivations and wait until something comes out on people that they hate or they want to take them down. And I don't really think that that's the right attitude that we should have. I believe that if people are ill motivated and ill willed and they're not sincere, time will eventually make that clear. Time will tell. So you don't have to go on crusades to take people down. You know, a lot of people, for example, have spent years. They try to take Rachel and Andrew down. They've spent years trying to take me down. They want to take them down. I want to expose them and that. And it's almost always some bunch of nonsense from 10, 15 years ago. Oh, didn't 10 years ago you drunk Texas? But yes, 10 years ago. 15 years ago, I drunk Texas. Somebody. Yes, big deal. Good job. You got me. So what. I mean, it's. It's just usually nothing burger stuff, right? And also, you know, I would say in the case of Elijah and Sarah, like, yeah, they're probably not morally ready to be leaders in the movement, but I mean, is that the. The big issue? I mean, the Epstein stuff is the biggest news in the world, right? That's like exposing the entire architecture of how our world is run by wicked people. I think that's way more important than this kind of stuff. But everybody kind of loves the. And that's kind of.

[Caller/Listener 2]

Okay.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Caller/Listener 2]

Okay, not to interrupt you, but I think it's pronounced architecture.

[Jay Dyer]

Excuse me, but Rachel, that's a little too mockaber for my content. I don't go into the Makaber stuff, the dark Makabur stuff.

[Caller/Listener 2]

That's because you can't compart. Compr.

[Jay Dyer]

Compramentalize.

[Caller/Listener 2]

Comprom. Properly how to pronounce the word.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay, well, maybe you'd like to explain the fact how you come from a federal operative background and come from a green barrette family. Aren't your family all members of the green barrettes?

[Caller/Listener 2]

You got me. You got me.

[Caller/Listener 1]

I'm exposed.

[Jay Dyer]

There we go. See, this is what happens when people see. All along I was actually a Candace mole to infiltrate Candace haters. And now I have it successfully exposed you all. You heard it from Rachel's own mouth. She's from a family of green barrettes. Now, some people say Green beret. That's actually inappropriate. That's not the proper. Actually, Candace was right all along. Water does freeze at 3 or. No, it melts at what? Did she say, 30, 34? I forget what she said. By the way, I'm astral projecting right now. I'm astral projecting into.

[Caller/Listener 2]

Candace's water freezes at zero. And so when it's 30 something degrees out, it should just be melting like crazy.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh, is that what she thought, she didn't. She didn't realize it was 32. I never, I didn't really understand what. I knew she was wrong, but I was like, does she not?

[Caller/Listener 2]

And then people were like, she. She meant Celsius. It's like, sure she did, buddy.

[Jay Dyer]

Sure. The multitude of. In the multitude of words, sin is not lacking. But he restrains his lips is wise. So notice a lot of people rush to speak and yap. And a lot of people yap without communicating what they really mean. So don't rush to speak, don't rush to judge. And you don't actually gain anything by massive amounts of yapping. And even Solomon is telling this, telling us this in Proverbs. The tongue of the righteous is silver, choice silver. But the heart of the wicked is worth little. The lips of the righteous feed many, but fools die for lack of wisdom. Blessing of the Lord makes one rich, and he adds no sorrow to it. So notice if God blesses you because you're doing things righteously. Your. Your wealth, your wisdom. And that can be physical, actual monetary wealth, or it can be spiritual wealth, intellectual wealth, whatever. Like, it doesn't come with curses and punishments. It's a blessed thing to do. Evil is like sport to a fool, but a man of understanding has wisdom. The fear of the wicked will come upon him. The desire of the righteous will be granted. When the whirlwind passes, the wicked is no more. But the righteous has an everlasting foundation. I like this too. To think about this in perspective. Like, think about how many, throughout the course of the world, how many wicked people there were A lot. And think of how many wicked people prospered in their life. Now fast forward to thousands of years later. Who remembers or knows any of those wicked people? Nobody. So what did they really get out of it? A brief bit of pleasure, perhaps. And perhaps a lot of pain as well. So when we put things into perspective, the whirlwind of time comes and the wicked are no more. As vinegar to the teeth and smoke to the eyes, so is the lazy man to those who send him. Again, a lot of rebukes of sloth in the Proverbs. So again, think about how many things deal with work, deal with economics, and deal with your daily interactions and operating from a position of integrity. The fear of the Lord prolongs days, but the years, the wicked will be shortened. The hope of the righteous will be gladness, but the expectation of the wicked is will perish. The way of the Lord is strength of the upright. But destruction will come upon the workers of iniquity. So just remember, bide your time. If people are bad, they're mistreating you. In the end, in the long run, they will undo themselves. Ultimately, don't worry about it, dog. The righteous will never be moved, but the wicked will not inhabit the earth. So this reflects into the Sermon on the Mount, right? The righteous will inhabit the earth or will inherit the earth. The mouth of the righteous brings forth wisdom, but the perverse tongue will be cut out. The lips of the righteous know what is acceptable, but the mouth of the wicked is what is perverse. So a lot of focus into this first chapter here. 10 on our words and our economic interactions and our work ethic. So let's take that into account the next time you are tempted to say, it's not my fault that I'm in this situation. Everything sucks and it's everybody else's fault and it no, yeah, things are bad, but there's always been corrupt people and things have been bad. So that's not an excuse for sloth and it's not an excuse to try to circumvent righteous ways of operating. 70 reasons $5. I'm looking to start my journey into Orthodoxy. I was Baptist, raised Baptist. Hellfire, Brimstone saw a lot of hypocrisy and it turned me off of religion 35 years later. Your debates and your content are opening my eyes. Eyes, thank you. Well, I'm glad to hear that. And yeah, I don't blame you. I think a lot of people kind of, especially if you grew up in the, you know, fundamentalist type stuff, as I did, you kind of have a phase where you're like, nah, this is stupid. And then usually you kind of, you know, gradually make your way back to more sensible, historic versions of the religion. Tera Michael $2 Do you experience cognitive dissonance? I'm sure everybody does. Right. Because ultimately we're all fallen and so we all don't want to be wrong. Right? Everybody wants to be right. Nobody wants to be wrong. So I'm sure that there are things that I don't know about that I haven't even noticed that I have cognitive dissonance about. But I would, I would imagine that's true for everybody. I think nobody in this life is going to be completely free from traits that characterize the fallen state crash film. $10. Jay blessings to you. You are a great influence in my 22 year old life. I'm a catech. I'm in catechesis at a Greek parish. Why are you rokor I think Rokor has done better being faithful to the Orthodox tradition. Generally speaking. It doesn't mean that, that there's nobody righteous amongst the Greek Orthodox or anything. I'm not saying that at all. Just for example, you know, Rokor had the 1982 or 3 statement, for example, condemning ecumenism. And while there are many people in the Greek churches who are anti ecumenist, the hierarchy typically is pro ecumenist. So I think that there's reasons like that. And also beyond any of the theology stuff, I just ended up vibing really well with, with my priest. We have a great relationship. He's been a very awesome person in my life. A lot of respect for him and everybody that meets him also feels the same way. A lot of people respect Father Vladimir, so don't have anything bad to say about any of that. He's, he's amazing person. Love him very dearly. Bill Brown, $10. Where can I get Jay Dyer subject matter list of books? There was, it was on the website, but I took it down because it was all jumbled up and the code was all crap. So just you can look at my channel. The global elite books that we cover or top 15 orthodox books. Top 15 books to read before you die. Those are good places to start. But yeah, there's not really one master list. I think if you read, if you get the red book. My red book. In the back of the red book there's a reading list. So you can go to my website and in the shop, get the. The red book. American Squidward, $2. What business advice would you give to your 20 year old self? Stack Bitcoin. Even though bitcoin didn't exist, but still. Faradine Carino, $5. Honor your father, mother. Is that absolute? No, none of the commands typically are absolute. For example, if your father and mother, if they try to undermine a higher authority such as God, you honor the higher authority over the lower. So for example, if your father and mother said you must worship baal, we are your parents, you must honor us. You have a duty to a higher authority to not worship baal. What about situations of where it's impossible and the parents are abusive? Yes, toxic parents and family members. You must set boundaries. You must do things like gray rock, all of that, especially if they're narcissistic. But you also have to be careful to realize, you know, am I being a rebellious kid or are my parents actually being abusive? And if they are being abusive, then yes, you do have to set boundaries, even with parents. So no honoring your father. Mother is not absolute because they're not God. Kaden, $50 cake.