EPSTEIN, JACKASS & SUPER SICK HELLA TIGHT TOXIC DANK PIMP CULTURE: TRISTAN HAGGARD

Summary

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Jay'sAnalysis – EPSTEIN, JACKASS & SUPER SICK HELLA TIGHT TOXIC DANK PIMP CULTURE: TRISTAN HAGGARD

Date: February 14, 2026
Host: Jay Dyer
Guest: Tristan Haggard (a.k.a. Tristana Zimself)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Jay’sAnalysis dives into the interconnected themes of “pimp” pop culture, millennial aesthetics, and the sinister undercurrents of elite manipulation, as typified by the Jeffrey Epstein scandal. Jay Dyer is joined by longtime collaborator and cultural commentator Tristan Haggard for an extended, hilarious, and sometimes dark conversation ranging from generational trends and reality television to the role of Hollywood, fashion, internet subcultures, and the shadowy elite agendas steering them. The episode blends sharp pop culture analysis, personal anecdotes, conspiratorial lore, and plenty of throwback SoCal “dank” humor.

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Major Discussion Points & Key Insights

1. Millennial & Zoomer Culture: Aesthetics and Influencers

• Nostalgia for Millennial Pop Culture: The duo riffs on their “elder millennial” status — discussing how millennial and early Zoomer cultures have been shaped by reality TV (MTV, Laguna Beach, Real World), YouTube, streaming, and “dank” subcultures.
  • Quote [03:56]:
    Tristana: “I have a face Jackhammer… see, I’m a millennial, so we do things right. Like all these zoomers with their little face hammers, I have a face Jackhammer.”
  • The evolution of the Valley Girl accent and its spread on MTV and reality shows is dissected as part of cultural “brain fry.”
  • The duo lampoons influencer trends (e.g., “looks maxxer MAGA influencer”) and the strange phenomenon of Candace Owens as the “ultimate millennial wine mom”.

2. Candace Owens, Pop Conservatism, and Grifter Culture

• Jay and Tristana explore how figures like Candace Owens morph from “red pill” personas to reality-show-style populists with weird online followings.
  • Quote [07:05]:
    Tristana: “Candace is like the ultimate millennial wine mom ... She’s discovered the 2007 Internet and she’s doing like Steve Quail ... The Washington Monument is actually Gilgamesh’s real phallus.”
• Discussion on the recycling of internet subcultures, the superficiality of “MAGA influencers,” and how the culture industry co-opts underground or conspiratorial aesthetics for mainstream audiences.

3. Epstein, Elite Culture Creation, and the Machine Behind the Scenes

• The Cultural “Mushrooming” of Epstein:
  • Both hosts compare “Epstein culture” to a weaponized pop operation: not just sexual blackmail but a massive machine driving trends, sexual norms, online gamification, and financial behaviors.
  • Quote [45:18]:
    Jay: “There’s that email where he says, yes, I was involved in black ops video game, experimentation with getting people interested in and addicted to constant virtual spending.”
  • The pair note Epstein’s fingerprints in fashion (Abercrombie & Fitch, American Apparel), digital currency adoption, and the sexualization of youth culture.
  • “Casino Gulag”: Term used to describe the endless gamification and microtransaction-driven models pervasive in pop culture and gaming. [46:15]
  • Notable Email Revelations: Epstein’s intimate involvement with celebrities, politicians (his “black book”), and even cult and online subcultures.

4. California as Technocratic, Cultic Testbed

• They discuss California’s symbolic and literal role as a testing ground for technocratic, culture-creating, and even occult elite agendas.
  • Tristana discusses weird “albino cults,” Silicon Valley’s esoteric history, and the region’s magnetic attraction for “culture creation” since WWII.
  • Quote [33:50]:
    Tristana: “All these groups are ... two, three generations deep into their living out in the weirdo wilderness out there in California.”
  • The "magic dirt" of California and its bizarre blend of beauty, military-industrial activity, and mythic weirdness ("Bohemian Grove" references).

5. Weaponizing Pop Culture: MTV, Jackass, and Nihilism

• The enduring impact of Jackass, skate culture, “self-destructive” male archetypes, and manufactured trends in MTV reality TV — discussed both as organic and weaponized culture.
  • Quote [127:56]
    Tristana: “For young guys, it was self-destruct … The cool thing is to act like you’re 14 … nothing’s serious … It’s nihilism … skull and crossbones logo, heavy metal … the edgy part of the culture became mainstream.”
• The story of "Poopies" from Jackass as a tragic, real-world avatar of this phenomenon.
• Punk’d, Jamie Kennedy, Jamie Kennedy Experiment as precursors and imitators of this culture.

6. Online Counterculture, Reddit/4Chan, and New Atheism as Psyops

• Epstein & Ghislaine Maxwell’s known involvement in online forums (Ghislaine as a Reddit mod), his financial ties to 4Chan’s development, and the broader theme of “toxifying” or channeling online counterculture.
  • Quote [70:19]:
    Jay: “It also vindicates the thesis ... that new atheism was a top down sort of psyop and that the online counterculture out of like 4chan also has an element of toxic culture via Epstein.”
• Commentary on the way top-down manipulation is cloaked as organic underground activity.

7. Elite Sexuality, Mind Control, and Sorcerous Esoterica

• A frank (and at times darkly comic) assessment of the overlap between elite sexual exploitation, mind control lore (Kathy O'Brien, Fritz Springmeier), and the way culture is used to dehumanize and program masses.
  • Emails referencing pedophiliac and transhumanist interests
  • Comparison to themes in works like Nabokov's Lolita (and how Epstein’s reading of it twists its actual condemnation).
  • Psychiatry and psychological “dehumanization” seen as part of this program.

8. Literature & Film: Hidden Depths and Cultural Subtext

• In-depth literary banter: Macarthy (“The Road,” “Child of God”), Flannery O’Connor (“Wise Blood”, as proto-New Atheist satire), and Harmony Korine’s “Spring Breakers” as an almost perfect cinematic condensation of early 2000s pop nihilism and weaponized sexuality.
  • Quote [153:01]:
    Tristana: “They become these violent demons who are bringing the white male to destruction. Ultimately an alien is this white guy who's a complete wigger... That movie encapsulates the weaponized pop culture of the 2000s.”

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• [06:26] Jay: “The Epstein Week — we’ve had 3,000 live consistently.”
• [37:09] Jay: “I’m being serious. Did you give it [the private stream link] to anybody?... Am I getting psyopped?”
• [45:18] Jay: “A casino gulag, where you’re constantly spending virtual currencies to get other virtual objects and you never get out of that maze.”
• [49:15] Jay: “Trying to figure out how accurate all these predictions and warnings about AI are ... the culture creation aspect of Jeff Stein McGuffery, something that not really anybody’s even touched on…”
• [52:06] Jay: “We’re gonna have an event, it’s going to be essentially a Jewish event. And then they said something like — and of course a couple of our goy stand-ins like Jane Fonda and Robert De Niro.”
• [56:24] Jay: “Imagine being 30 and brought into the Trilateral Commission directly by Kissinger and Rockefeller ... I think they genuinely thought, like, we’re absolutely untouchable.”
• [72:19] Tristana: “There’s no real atheism. It always becomes this monism of materialism. Or it becomes, you know, all spooky action at a distance... Even materialism ends up in spooky action at a distance.”
• [127:56] Tristana: “For young guys, it was self-destruct … The cool thing to do is to act like you’re 14 for your whole life … It’s nihilism … heavy metal and this was the edgy part of the culture, but really became the mainstream.”
• [153:24] Tristana (on Spring Breakers): “They become these violent demons who are… bringing the white male to destruction. Alien is this white guy who’s a complete wigger…”

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Key Timestamps

• [02:41] — Tristana’s “looks maxxer MAGA influencer” persona/bit begins, setting the comic tone.
• [06:54–10:12] — Millennials, generational influencer hierarchies, and Candace Owens satire.
• [17:55–21:11] — Valley Girl accent: origins and spread into mainstream via pop culture and MTV.
• [33:50] — Weird California cult lore (“albino cults”), military tech history, and Silicon Valley.
• [43:49] — The hypersexualization of youth, fashion, and Abercrombie/epstein links.
• [45:18–46:39] — Epstein’s “casino gulag” microtransaction culture and weaponized gaming.
• [56:24–60:24] — Email chains, elite impunity, British elite scandals, mind control, and BDSM.
• [70:19–72:45] — Online counterculture: Reddit, 4Chan, new atheism as ops, and the toxicification of digital spaces.
• [127:56–128:56] — Jackass, skate/party nihilism, and weaponized self-destruction in youth culture.
• [153:24–154:08] — “Spring Breakers” as pop-horror cultural artifact, and summation of the show’s themes.

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Overall Tone & Takeaways

This episode oscillates between dense, conspiratorial analysis and razor-sharp, often absurd comedy. Jay and Tristan are at their best when relating cultural analysis to personal experience and generational memory but never lose sight of the deeper patterns: how elite interests shape, weaponize, and distort culture, often packaging nihilism and dysfunction as cool or liberating. The Epstein scandal, far from being a one-off, is seen here as emblematic of a century-long, multi-pronged assault on normalcy, meaning, and innocence—engineered by the same powers that churn out reality TV, online subcultures, fast fashion, and shallow, viral trends. The episode both exposes and satirically inhabits the very “toxic dank” culture it critiques.

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For Further Listening/Reading

• [49:30] — Deep dive on mind control literature (Kathy O’Brien, Fritz Springmeier, Michelle Remembers)
• [81:07+, 145:28+] — Literary analysis: Pynchon, McCarthy, Flannery O’Connor, Philip K. Dick, Harmony Korine
• [150:11+] — “Spring Breakers” and the hijacking of millennial female sexuality and aesthetics by predatory elites
• [146:17+] — Jay and Tristan reflect on the 2000s film culture, including Alex Jones’s cameo in “Scanner Darkly”

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This summary captures the blend of high-level conspiracy critique, cultural autopsy, and irreverent banter that defines Jay Dyer and Tristan Haggard’s collaborations. The pair’s command of both esoteric geopolitics and 2000s stoner patois ensures this episode is as funny as it is frightening.

Transcript

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[Tristana Zimself]

Sa. Sam.

[Jay Dyer]

All right, what's up, all you haters? We got a former hater. He drank a lot of Haterade the last year, but he's back. The one, the only, beautiful Tristana Zimself has joined us. What's up, Tristan?

[Tristana Zimself]

First of all, you dead named me again. Yeah, no, this is a new era, Jay. This is a whole new era. I'm no longer.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, it took the. I know that. The treatment.

[Tristana Zimself]

Transition. I'm a MAGA influencer.

[Jay Dyer]

Treatment. The treatments took about a year.

[Tristana Zimself]

No, no. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. So now. Now I'm actually a looks maxer MAGA influencer. I've been. Here, let me show you my face hammer. Actually, I've upgraded. I've actually gone beyond. Yeah, see, I'm a millennial, so we do things right. Like all these. All these zoomers with their. Their little face hammers. I have a face Jackhammer.

[Jay Dyer]

Damn, son. Damn, son. Where'd you find that?

[Tristana Zimself]

If you want to really get results, you go right to right there. You hear that? You just burn into it. Just grind your teeth and. Yeah, yeah. So this is. Yeah, I'm Mag. I'm the MAGA influencer now. I'm no longer trans, so I'd appreciate you just calling me by my.

[Jay Dyer]

The only appropriate. The only appropriate response to all that is. Do you remember back, like, 15 years ago, when the underground rap songs would play a clip of the radio announcer, he would go, damn, son. Where'd you find that?

[Tristana Zimself]

I never heard.

[Jay Dyer]

You've never Heard that.

[Tristana Zimself]

Damn, son. I know. Damn, son.

[Jay Dyer]

It's in a ton of. It's in a ton of rap videos, Key. It's in a bunch of rap videos. Damn, son. Where'd you find this?

[Tristana Zimself]

What year was. What year would that have been?

[Jay Dyer]

I remember it being in, like, little B rap videos. Like, that's, like, 10 years ago.

[Tristana Zimself]

That's. You young. You young bucks. I. I don't know about. I don't know about any rap past, like, 2005.

[Jay Dyer]

Dude, I don't care about. Yeah, I don't care about. I'm just talking about the funny little. You know how the air horn get.

[Tristana Zimself]

All defensive about it.

[Jay Dyer]

Remember. Remember air horns? This was like the 2000 and tens version of the air. Damn, son. Where'd you find this?

[Tristana Zimself]

Just making incoherent sounds is.

[Jay Dyer]

No, come on now.

[Tristana Zimself]

This is like the new zoomer talk.

[Jay Dyer]

This is why you retired. You know what an air horn is? You know what a rap air horn is now, come on now, son.

[Tristana Zimself]

Air horn. Oh, my goodness. He's making up these outlandish stories now. Jay. No, I'm joking. Thanks for having me on, dude. I always appreciate you. JJ is the number one supporter of my channel. Even Jay's a bigger supporter of my channel than even I am. Jay's always, like, telling me for, like, every. Like, all the time, hey, I like.

[Jay Dyer]

Tristan's channel more than Tristan. Tristan actually hates his channel. I actually like it.

[Tristana Zimself]

He's a bigger supporter of my channel. I'm my channel's biggest haters, Jay. And Jay's always. He's always trying to. He's like, dude, get back on YouTube. What are you doing? I miss your stuff, so. I do. I really do appreciate that. And, you know, over the years, and it's great seeing you blow it up, man. Like, it's. It's not you. I. I mean, the last. You and I did a lot of streams together over the years, and I remember when we first started out, we'd be like, under a hundred viewers most, and we'd start out under 100. Maybe we get like, a couple hundred. And that felt big. And then I don't know, maybe the last time you and I streamed together, I think on your channel, maybe you get like 6, 700, and that was big, you know, but now I'm just. I mean, it's not all about numbers, obviously, but, you know, you. You. You put in the work. You put in the. Put in all the repetitions, and you got the. You got the 2, 000 live viewers regularly, man.

[Jay Dyer]

No. Excuse me. The Epstein Week. We've had 3, 000 live consistently. But yeah, I don't.

[Tristana Zimself]

I'm not familiar with your channel. This is my assistant.

[Jay Dyer]

This is the. Yeah, you're reading the teleprompter.

[Tristana Zimself]

You're.

[Jay Dyer]

You're reading a teleprompter like Candace.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah. Okay, so.

[Jay Dyer]

I mean. Okay, so. And. And then like. Okay, so you got a teleprompter like Candace over there. I know how it is. I know it is.

[Tristana Zimself]

It's funny because you and I were talking about millennials and, you know, kind of our generation, Jay, being. You're like a cusper, right? You know, you. You could.

[Jay Dyer]

You could pass this gender Elder Millennial.

[Tristana Zimself]

Well, you're millennial. Yeah, you're millennial. You're millennial in your. In your exposure to Internet too. So. Yeah, Candace is like the ultimate millennial wine mom. You know, she's. It's been fun seeing her kind of blow up. And I don't know, we. You and I both, that we've talked behind the scenes, how friends of ours who get really into Candace, and we're always so surprised. We're like, dude, this is. This stuff is like this. This person's discernment is seriously off. Candace is not.

[Jay Dyer]

He's not talking about John Adams. John. That's not a joke directly.

[Tristana Zimself]

John. Yeah, no, but. All right, I am talking about John specifically and his massive crush on Q Andis. But, you know, it's funny seeing. Seeing the. The millennial kind of crowd latch onto her. But. But she.

[Jay Dyer]

I think.

[Tristana Zimself]

I think a big part of it is. You've talked about this before on your stream, but so many people are waking up to the fact that, I mean, what happened in 2020 was huge. That was something that it. It was. It was a shot to the face for everybody, including us, because it was also, you know, when that was all happening, especially in the beginning, I remember just feeling. I was just. Just feeling really upset, just angry of like, look at this now. Look how far it's gone. Here it is. Here we are. And every. And just seeing everybody just jump into it, right? And everybody just full on become completely unhinged and lose all discernment and have zero questioning of narratives and just waiting for instructions from television screens, social media. And it was surreal. And then the. The haze slowly started to fade and people kind of got clarity. And we've seen a ton of people who'd never considered these things, who maybe you had conversations with back in the day, and they laughed it off, get really interested in these topics and the Epstein issue. I mean this is 2019, when Epstein's, when Epstein didn't delete, didn't push backspace on himself when he didn't backspace himself. We were talking about this, but now what is it? It's seven years later, you know, you and I, I remember us doing boiler rooms and talking about all the Epstein stuff back 2019. And it's, it's, it also gets a little tiresome. But it's funny seeing Candace because she's just, I don't know, she's like if, yeah, she's like a millennial woman who's got a, my. A mild intelligence millennial woman with zero discernment at all. At all, has discovered the 2007 Internet and she's doing like Steve Quail. You know, the Nephilim giants are, you know, they're gonna wake up the, they're gonna wake up Gilgamesh from like underneath the Washington Monument. The Washington Monument is actually Gilgamesh's real phallus. And, but it's also a free energy device. And, and, and me and Charlie Kirk used to talk about his third eye. Like, it's just, it's, it's amazing to see. It's actually become pretty comical.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, it is, it's not, it's not a direction I would have expected for high profile, you know, political type commentators. Because she had, prior to all of this stuff as, as, you know, she was, you know, back in the day she was red pill black and it was a lot of politics and it was a lot of, you know, men, women, red pill stuff I think originally. And then it turned into hardcore blackit, you know, getting black people out of the Democratic Party. It was a big thing that she.

[Tristana Zimself]

Wait, she was, she was red pill stuff back then I thought she was just. No, she, she had like token MAGA black lady. I thought she was the token conservative.

[Jay Dyer]

What I'm think, I think during the period, and I may be wrong about this because I didn't really follow her, but it's the first time I heard about her. She was on Ralph Retort even back when she was red pill black. And I don't recall if that was red pill in the conspiracy sense or like, because I think she was actually.

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[Jay Dyer]

Cernovich's documentary Red Pill? Because that was about men's rights.

[Tristana Zimself]

I. No, I, I was, I was all that.

[Jay Dyer]

I think that's. I think that's why she was using that title for a while. But I'm not. I may be wrong about that. I didn't. I don't really hear about her until, you know, she wanted Alex a few times. I remember she was on Ralph Retort and she was getting kind of popular and then she kind of really got popular when it was Kanye was sharing her stuff because she was pushing black blexit. Right? Black people exiting the Democratic Party.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, I think, I think her use of red pill back then would have been because red pill didn't get really fully. Didn't get really. That that term hadn't been fully adopted by the men's rights people or hadn't been popularized widely. And it didn't really come around to, like, Tate.

[Jay Dyer]

No, actually it was. Your Tate took that. But I think it was. If. If I recall, it was Cernovich's documentary. Excuse me. And people in the chat. You guys, if you know this, you can.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, yeah. No, we're just speculating on lore that I have no idea about now, so don't correct us.

[Jay Dyer]

I mean, it's always been that way. You're just sort of talking about what you don't know. But we're here to help you. We're here to help you source that information. We're going to do a Trent Horn and make it work. We're going to come up with a way to explain whatever you're saying is somehow true.

[Tristana Zimself]

Retard. Explain. You're going to retards playing on my behalf because. Yeah, but I actually hold an immense amount of power behind the scenes, and I'm running a massive blackmail operation. And this is why Jay says nice things about me. Concern consistently. He. I've got all the dirt on Jay.

[Jay Dyer]

I want to say, though, that it. That she did have an angle, but I don't remember. That was about male female issues, divorce rates with women. And if anybody in the chat, if you're familiar with that lore, you can correct me or whatever, I don't remember. But anyway, long story short, you know, she. Then it became more. More and more political, and then she blew up from there. But, yeah, it's definitely not what I. What I would have expected the direction to go with her. But it's also, like you said, very, very millennial. And she reminds me of, like, if I was to really figure out what she. She is. The people are telling me about Trent Horn. I'm getting distracted. She is the mean girl from either Mean Girls or the black chick in, like, Clueless. Right? Candace is like the preppy mean girl black chick from Mean Girls.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah. What's funny. What's funny to me is Candace is from the east coast, but she talks like all the girls that I grew up with in Southern California. So she's got. She has the. The Valley girl accent through MTV and through a lot of these reality shows. I think. I think for our generation, when we were in high school, I feel like Candace is about my age, but she could be younger. She could be older. When I'm getting up there in age, man, it's hard to imagine people actually existing that are older than me. I'm like, I feel like the Zoomers sometime where I, you know, wow. Like, there are people that are Actually older than me, but she. What was I saying? Oh, yeah, she speaks with a Southern California kind of app speak. And then. And then. And Charlie, I used to talk about his third eye all the time.

[Jay Dyer]

She says, she says, she says.

[Tristana Zimself]

She says okay at the end of every sentence. So Charlie and I would always talk about his third eye. Okay. And we would actually sometimes astral project together. We would meet each other in the third layer of the astral plane. And yeah, he's. He's actually. His. His spirit body and his light cord are, like, beautiful and scintillating. And he knows that. I know that. But she. She speaks like the girls I grew up with in Southern California is what's funny. And that kind of speaks to the. The power and the. The American accent and the American dialect has been smashed all into one thing, you know? I mean, I know people from the south who, as soon as they leave the south, they lose their Southern accent, you know, and then. And it's intentional, right? They. They feel. They feel as if the Southern accent is. It's this status symbol of. Of poverty and of ignorance. And, you know, that's. That's the. The mass media programming. But it's weird how everyone just defaults to this mtv. I'll just talk like that. It's. It's.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, it's actually.

[Tristana Zimself]

It's haunting.

[Jay Dyer]

I wonder why that, like, why, if you had to speculate, like, because you. You spent way more time out in California than I did. I was only there for a few years. But, like, why do you think the valley girl accent developed, like, is just, who knows, some random thing? Like, it wasn't.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, I think it. It did come from, like, San Francisco, San Fernando Valley, and it came out of specific parts of Los Angeles, but there's still regional dialects all throughout the coastal areas in California. So, you know, kids, I mean, I can meet somebody that's from North County, San Diego, and I know. I know within two sentences. Oh, really, dude, you're from. You're from Encinitas. Yeah, I met this guy recently. He's this. He's older, too. He's. He's in his 50s.

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[Tristana Zimself]

This is an accent that he's had for so long, but it's the, it's this, it would, people would hear and they'd say it sounds like a surfer, bro. But you know, it's just like, oh yeah, what's up, dude? Oh yeah. Like, oh, are you from, man? Like, yeah, yeah, what up, dude? Like, and you're talking, this guy's in his 50s, late 50s. And I mean you're from, what are you from like Encinitas or something? He's like, yeah, dude, how did you know? Like, because you talk like this, dude. It's so. They're regional dialects all around. But I think it really, what really spread it was those films of Clueless were pretty big in the 90s and.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, good point.

[Tristana Zimself]

MTV reality shows. There was this one called Laguna Beach.

[Jay Dyer]

I forgot about that. That was popular. Yeah.

[Tristana Zimself]

So the reason, and this was, this was the prototype for streaming, for IRL streaming. And the, the people you see now, like clavicular and all these zoomers. I show speed even a lot of these people. The, the prototype for that was the cheap reality show. It was, you know, real, Real Housewives of Orange county, things like this. But the young reality shows really caught the millennials and they would make them into, you know, it was all fake drama, it was played up. But the Laguna beach was a big one. And I think that era of MTV specifically for millennials just, just brain fried everybody.

[Jay Dyer]

It did. Yeah. My brother, he's. My brother is younger, he's closer to you. And I remember age wise, he was always watching Real World and all those like MTV reality shows type stuff like that. So anyway, I'm not, I'm just remembering that a. That era of the explosion of the reality show and how weird that was and that. You're right, that did. I never even thought about that. That actually prepared the way for, for live streams.

[Tristana Zimself]

But yeah, yeah, I mean, it's not. I don't think it's that profound of an insight, but I think it'd be interesting to go back and look at those shows. You know, I think culturally, sociologically, that that was a big transition time.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, remember, remember Real World real quick. Speaking of. They were pushing, remember Pedro? He was like one of the first AIDS gay characters that they were really pushing and then they brought on.

[Tristana Zimself]

When year was that?

[Jay Dyer]

That was like the first few seasons of Real World. Right. Pedro was a major character and he was.

[Tristana Zimself]

No, I didn't see those. I would have only seen ones from the early 2000s, I think in late night, you know, maybe from 90s.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, this is late 90s, but mid to late 90s. Because the first season of Real World was just them living in a house and then it was Road Rules with a spin off. And then they had like, they had that one Christian guy with the cowboy hat. It was a country singer. And John, they all made fun of him.

[Tristana Zimself]

Like how they, how they typecast that.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh, well, exactly.

[Tristana Zimself]

It's gonna be. He's gonna be a good old country boy. He's Christian, he's. He's got.

[Jay Dyer]

They all hated him iq.

[Tristana Zimself]

He's. He's real pretty boy. He's nice to look at, but he's. But he's a function.

[Jay Dyer]

He's a goober and a retard.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yep, he's a functional retard. Never done any drugs. He's a very real strike. Yeah, no, Real World, I forgot about that show too. That's big. But do they do Real World anymore? Is it over?

[Jay Dyer]

Oh, yeah, that ended a long time ago. I mean, I don't know when it ended, but I think you're talking about like the later 2000s phases, those shows that took off and, and even the, the Kardashians even still comes out of that ethos.

[Tristana Zimself]

That's huge. Yeah. And by the way, they're big proponents of that.

[Jay Dyer]

And by the way people are speaking of Epstein, I think they were making some Kardashian Epstein connections, which I didn't even get to that yet. So I don't know if that's Legit. But I saw people claiming that and then the Kardashians. Huh?

[Tristana Zimself]

Oh, that makes sense. Sorry.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, I haven't looked at it yet, but I did save it so we can check it out. But the Kardashians too, kind of continued that weird evolution of the vocal fry, right? That comes from, from them, doesn't it? I mean, they probably got it from.

[Tristana Zimself]

Oh, it's bad. It's really bad.

[Jay Dyer]

I mean, is that, you could tell me the regions like, is that the same sort of region of the Valley Girl accident? Is it evolving into that, do you think?

[Tristana Zimself]

Oh, maybe I didn't finish that thought. I think it spread as a virus, spread throughout Southern California. And then because of the cultural mechanism of Los Angeles, you know, San Fernando Valley and Southern California at the time, that was the nexus point for culture creation and culture creation, they were going for the cheapest stuff. You, you've got this temporary flash in the pan celebrity and you don't need to pay these people on the reality shows. That's what they like. Low production quality, low production value, super high return. People are making personality cults about. Oh my God, did you hear, Like Stephen said this and he cheated on just like. And everybody's every. Try to act like these people.

[Jay Dyer]

So.

[Tristana Zimself]

And that's, that's where, that's why everyone now says, oh my God, oh my God. And it's like, it just. A lot of these statements came out of that area in that era. But I think there is something, there's something about California when you look at the history of it. I remember doing a stream on, on that, that book. Oh my goodness, I forget the author, what's the, the female, she wrote that book on Caltech and the rise of the new biology.

[Jay Dyer]

RuPaul.

[Tristana Zimself]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Jay Dyer]

You talking about the molecular vision of life.

[Tristana Zimself]

The molecular vision of life. Caltech and the rise of the new biology.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, yeah, I got that because of you. You're the one that got me to get this.

[Tristana Zimself]

Dude, that's. That book is really good. How did you even find out?

[Jay Dyer]

I had to wait until it popped up. Yeah, I had to wait until it popped up for 100 bucks on it or something.

[Tristana Zimself]

Probably 200 bucks.

[Jay Dyer]

Probably.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, yeah, I just printed it out for five bucks at a copy store, so. But that book gets into the history of Silicon Valley and this is something I'm kind of, I'm really fascinated with right now. And I'm doing a little bit of research for something that I've been kind of, I don't I don't know what it'll become, but it's kind of like it's a fiction project that takes place in California around Silicon Valley. And, and I, I haven't decided how much of the history and lore of that whole area I want to pull in. But you know, the, you had, I mean, the OTO and the resurrection of the Rosicrucian order, a lot of that stuff was coming out of San Jose. You have modern rocketry, obviously, Silicon Valley and cybernetics. Silicon Valley is kind of the new Los Angeles and California itself, the whole coast, the west coast, it's something, it represents the furthest push of so called Western progress. Right? I mean, after you have, you have this area era of Manifest destiny in the 19th century and the expansion of the American project and the changing of what that American vision is going to be. And the railroads end when you hit that. You know those, those giant mudstone cliffs of the west coast on, on the Pacific. And you've got the UN Charter signed in San Francisco after the Second World War. So the entire second, the entire new order of this post World war era, all of culture creation is centered in California. So there's, I think symbolically, as in the American project and the project of Western philosophy, that coastline is something special. You know, it represents something. You see that? Jay? I can't hear you. You're muted, bro.

[Jay Dyer]

Unmute.

[Tristana Zimself]

So I finally get to say it today.

[Jay Dyer]

Somebody else tried to join that had the collab.

[Tristana Zimself]

I get the link. Huh? How? Who is that?

[Jay Dyer]

It could have been somebody playing around based on the last. I'm trying to think of who the last guess was. It might have been them.

[Tristana Zimself]

No, that was clearly. That was clearly someone messing with you. But how do you, how do you think you got the link?

[Jay Dyer]

Well, that's what I'm saying is the only people that have that link would be the, like a previous guest.

[Tristana Zimself]

Okay. Why would it be the same link every time?

[Jay Dyer]

No, sometimes I just don't think to create a new link. So.

[Tristana Zimself]

Okay. Yeah, but. Yeah, all right. You might be able to change the settings so that somebody can't just bomb in on that.

[Jay Dyer]

Let me, hold on, let me recreate a new link and then I'll send it to you and you come back.

[Tristana Zimself]

Okay? Yeah. Strange Snipes. He even had his name as Jay.

[Jay Dyer]

Liver, so that was, that was super funny.

[Tristana Zimself]

Strange. Yeah. All right, he didn't, he didn't even have anything to say too. I mean, you could have.

[Jay Dyer]

All right, so creating a different link for Tristana here. I'LL send that to him. Stream sniped. Ow. So Tristan will be back here in a second and I'll read a couple super chats. So, Tristan, if you're watching, I sent you that Link Gravio says $20. A lot of synchronicity in California. What got us involved in World War II? You talking about Pearl Harbor? I'm not sure what you mean there, but Tristan, there's a new link. So click into that and I'll bring you up. I guess from now on I gotta create new links, but I'm trying to remember who was the last. Who was the last guest that we had on because it would have to be. It wouldn't be Kai. Kai wouldn't do that. Kai's not that kind of a jokester. What's up dog? You're back.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, no, that was pretty brutal frame logging.

[Jay Dyer]

To be honest, my cortisol did spike, but I was also able to gooner max while you were gone and now I've actually, you know, restored my aura by, you know, 23 stats. So.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, no, that was. I mean, I'm trying to get my cortisol back down from the brutal frame mogging. So anyways, I think we'll recover.

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[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

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It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Podcast Host]

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[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep. Keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Tristana Zimself]

Awesome.

[Podcast Host]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan?

[Tristana Zimself]

What.

[Podcast Host]

What would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

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[Tristana Zimself]

Wow.

[Podcast Host]

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[Dan Morgan]

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[Jay Dyer]

You were talking about California as the military industrial complex, mind control state.

[Tristana Zimself]

Sure, but. And just. I don't have an answer to this, but it's an interesting question of why is that. And this is more of a, you know, I mean, just the conceptual level. It's, you know, there is something weird in California. It's, there is kind of a. Anybody who's lived there, the, you know, people joke about, well, you know, there's no magic dirt in this place or that place. But I don't know, California does kind of have, have a little bit of that magic dirt vibe. It's one of the most beautiful places in the world. I'm not saying there's literal magic dirt there, but it's.

[Jay Dyer]

No, it's absolutely awesome.

[Tristana Zimself]

It's an odd place, man. It's a, it's a beautiful place and it's odd. You get out there in the redwoods in Northern California where all Silicon Valley is, and it's creepy. I mean, it's, it's not just creepy in the way of, you know, it being vast and feeling like this, you know, giant maw of trees that could swallow you, but it's there, there's all, there's so much lore out there, you know, like out in the hills around San Jose, going back for, for generations, there's rumors of weird albino cults. Right? I don't know why it's always albino. It's like that. Everybody always says, adam Los Gatos, there's this, there's a strange property.

[Jay Dyer]

What do you mean? Albino cults. Are you joking? You're being serious?

[Tristana Zimself]

It's just one of these things of lore in California, like, oh, don't go. I'm literally serious. Don't go up that road. There's a weird albino cult up there of like weirdo inbred albinos that have been out there for two, three generations. This is the type of lore I've never seen these people. I'm just saying this is, and these aren't, you know, Bigfoot researchers and stuff. But there's, there's weird stuff out there, man. There's a lot of. They'll tell you stay out of certain areas of the woods because there are cults that live out there. There are people that went out there in the 1970s. How many of them are still out there? I don't know. But some of these groups are, you know, two, three generations deep into their living out in the weirdo wilderness out there in California.

[Jay Dyer]

Wow.

[Tristana Zimself]

You know, growing pot and you know, there's certain areas where people just don't go out there. There are certain areas if you drive your car and they. I think it's still even like this in regions in the. In the Emerald Triangle where don't park your car there, they will burn it. These people there are, you know, where the. Well, the illegal pot growers have lived since the 19. Some of them since the 1950s. We it. It's thought that some of the first pot growers moved into that Mendocino county area in the 50s around like the Lost coast over there. It's. It's. California is weird. And what's going on with the military industrial complex over there and there being tons of military bases, military contractors, Moffat Airfield, the. These strange places like, you know, up where I went to the University of California Santa Cruz, up Empire Grade, there's a giant Lockheed Martin facility. And Lockheed bought this in 1957. They bought it off of some. There were some ranchers out there before and, and they built parts for Trident missiles up there and components for Trident missiles and they were doing testing for these nuclear warhead delivery systems that were going to be shot out of submarines. And there were always rumors that they actually bored tunnels from the ocean to get to this facility, which is, I think inland about. I don't know how far, you know, a bird's eye, a bird shot distance it is, but it's several miles inland nestled up in the mountains. And they have like 4, 000 acres, I think of property. And right next to it is owned by the Church of Latter Day Saints. It's the. The lds Right next to Lockheed facility, there's a little wooden sign that says the Church of Latter Day Saints. You're like, what the heck is this? And it's this janky old cattle fence with, you know, rusted barbed wire. It's so it's just the, the aesthetics of California has been tied in with this stuff for so long. But what Epstein, getting back to Epstein, what's interesting about this culture creation, whatever you want to call this culture creation monster golem thing that is seemingly centered California is part of that is fashion. And it's interesting when you look at Our generation, you know, the millennials, and how all these big fashion brands of the early 2000s were less. Wexner Brands Limited. Abercrombie and Fitch, the American.

[Jay Dyer]

Hold on. I didn't know Abercrombie was that. Is that one of them?

[Tristana Zimself]

I know that's. Yeah, Abercrombie is a big, big, big influence on Jay.

[Jay Dyer]

No, I'm serious. The reason I'm asking that is because, yeah, Abercrombie. Dude, do you remember there was a huge scandal in the 2000s about Abercrombie showing, like, underaged people in the ads, and they were questionable.

[Tristana Zimself]

Hey, somebody else just jumped in. You're gonna have to. This guy's. Someone was trying to stream bomb. You see it?

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, that's where. Because I did a new link. You didn't give the link to anybody, did you?

[Tristana Zimself]

I mean, I might have a group of gang stalkers that are right now running psychological. You've been psyop.

[Jay Dyer]

J. I'm being serious. Did you give it.

[Tristana Zimself]

No, dude, I wouldn't give the link to anybody. I. I write clinked and copy clicked and copied it. So if only.

[Jay Dyer]

I mean, there's nobody. Like, when you go to it, there's not actually anybody there. So I don't know what it is.

[Tristana Zimself]

But they're in that. They got that Pegasus software.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, there was also. So the last few people that were on it was Dasha and it was Jim Bob. So I was thinking the jokester out of that would be either Dash or Jim Bob. Could be either one.

[Tristana Zimself]

Wait, why can't you kick. Why can't you kick people out?

[Jay Dyer]

Because they're not actually. They're not technically in. They're requesting to be on, so.

[Tristana Zimself]

Oh, so they're not in the street. The people can't see. Fuey d. You should pull up flay d right here. He's got a.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, there's. That's what I'm saying. When you go to it, there's nobody. There's nothing there. Like, there's not a. There's not a person there. It's just a profile requesting.

[Tristana Zimself]

So that's weird, because I can see foad.

[Jay Dyer]

What's. What. What does it come. What comes up?

[Tristana Zimself]

He a black man?

[Jay Dyer]

Are you being serious?

[Tristana Zimself]

He a black man?

[Jay Dyer]

Hell, yeah.

[Tristana Zimself]

It's my brother. How'd you get the link, bro?

[Jay Dyer]

Is it. Are you giving it to sign language?

[Tristana Zimself]

We can't hear you use sign language.

[Jay Dyer]

Are you giving it to Chase? I can't tell if you're joking.

[Tristana Zimself]

All right, well, I'll Just pull sway fuei d off of my screen or pretend he's not even there. It doesn't matter. I guess we'll just keep going.

[Jay Dyer]

I'm being like, so serious. Question. Like, are you actually seeing somebody there? Are you messing with the stream or.

[Tristana Zimself]

Dude, I'll send you a screenshot right now. There's a black man. That black man watching us. Jay, I swear, that black man in the room with me right now. And I ain't the only black man in this room.

[Jay Dyer]

I can't tell if you're joking or if you gave it to Chase or something like.

[Tristana Zimself]

Wait, what happened? What I just do. You put it in the chat. He's saying he held up a card right now, and it said you put it in the chat. Just.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh, did I accidentally. Oh, I thought I was.

[Tristana Zimself]

Boomer maxing. No, Jay's over here.

[Jay Dyer]

Stream for seven hours. I thought I was putting the link to the. To the super chat, and it was copy and paste. It was still the link to give to you. That's what it is.

[Tristana Zimself]

That's funny. So the chat just thinks you're inviting everybody onto the street.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh, okay. Well, anyway, no, that's all. I don't even have to go to him, so just ignore them. All right, so anyway, you gotta go. I was like, damn, dude, it's very distracting. I was like, last person to get that link was Dasha. She's doing some damn psyops on me or something. I was what? Anyway, so just ignore whoever hops on, and we won't even. They don't. They don't show up.

[Tristana Zimself]

The funniest thing, the best thing is, I guess the chat can't see it. It. No, they can't see it.

[Jay Dyer]

Nobody sees it.

[Tristana Zimself]

And he just left. So it literally looks like I'm just hallucinating.

[Jay Dyer]

I get it now. It's because I put the link in the chat.

[Tristana Zimself]

But all of a sudden, there's a black man in the chat with us. I just feel like he's about to do some crazy.

[Jay Dyer]

I was like, well, I'm a black man in the chat. Are you talking about me? Or like, what are you talking about?

[Tristana Zimself]

I'm the blackest man.

[Jay Dyer]

Bipoc frauds in the chat about to get exposed.

[Tristana Zimself]

I was thinking that. Yeah, I was. I was just. I was thinking that I was getting some. I was talking about California. So they just. They sent some sort of operatives. Operatives. Yeah, they were trying. Yeah, I was about to reveal the real truth behind the. The lds and. And weird military bases all around California. And the. And the albino cults.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay, let's get. Let's get back to. Let's get back to California.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, the limited Abercrombie. And you were, you were talking about how Abercrombie. There was a big kind of child sexualization thing that was happening with Abercrombie in the early 2000s. This was controversial. Rightly so. That was a horrible brand that sexualized boys and girls and would have to work there. I remember you have guys that work there. They would be kind of. Well, they were. They would have shirtless dudes, wouldn't they? They'd be like a shirtless guy.

[Jay Dyer]

I forgot about that. They would have this kind of weird sort of gayish thing going on at Abercrombie. I remember that. And maybe even some of the ads were notorious because they were like showing like gay or lesbian images, I think. Something like that. I forget.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah. So. And, and so there was. There was Abercrombie and Fitching and promoting that kind of. Their aesthetic was kind of like hillbilly, dirty, sweaty model boys. That was what they were putting out there.

[Jay Dyer]

But also. But also kind of preppy.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yes, there was that too. Yeah. Yeah. You know what you see with those. What are those. Those stupid shirts that people still dress like that anyways. It's beside the point. But their, their aesthetic was all about sexualization of young, young guys. And then there was American Apparel and Victor. Everyone knows about Victoria's Secret and how Epstein was involved with that and a lot of the fashion shows that they were doing. But while, while he's working as. As this procurer kind of fixer man for, you know, among the elite, pushing certain agendas for, you know, not just.

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I'Ve got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Podcast Host]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Podcast Host]

That's pretty awesome. I Think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion one 20 billion is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north. Probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Tristana Zimself]

Awesome.

[Podcast Host]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan, what would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247 365.

[Tristana Zimself]

Wow.

[Podcast Host]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.

[Tristana Zimself]

Himself, but clearly also his. Our greatest ally. He. He was cre. They had created a culture machine to hypersexualize young people. Hypersexualize. Children get little girls wearing like getting their belly buttons pierced and wearing those belly shirts and tube tops and really short skirts. And of course, you know, when we were young, we were all, we were fine with that part.

[Jay Dyer]

You know, we were all cool with.

[Tristana Zimself]

That part of like the girls wearing the short skirts, you know, like the, remember the, you know, the.

[Jay Dyer]

But I thought you meant you were cool with wearing that. You mean the girls were.

[Tristana Zimself]

Okay, we, we were cool with the girls wearing that. Not. Not. We were cool with. With us. Thanks for clarifying, Jay. Appreciate that. But we. So it's interesting so that that stuff really mushroomed out into the culture. And it's. None of those, none of that was new. The 1960s and the sexual revolution kind of started that fire and released all of that kind of libidinous energy out into the. The American aesthetic. But this intensified it and, and really brought it down to the level of even elementary school children. And it's, it's a sick thing. You could see how their economic activities and the culture creation activities tie in. And one of the interesting emails, he was talking with a developer from Activision about.

[Jay Dyer]

He said I was gonna mention the video game aspect next.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yes. You want to, you want to tell about that? Maybe you remember what he said?

[Jay Dyer]

So basically it was just an email where he was talking about saying, I can't remember if he was bragging or if he was saying, you know, I want to, I really want to push the idea of microtransactions within video games so that people get addicted to kind of spending, you know, online spending money in a, in a cycle so that they don't save money. Right. So a kind of a. It's something that Max Kaiser always called a casino gulag, where you're constantly spending virtual currencies to get other virtual objects and you never get out of that maze because it's all abstract, that it's not anything that's actually real. We're talking about here. I'm not going to argue for Bitcoin, but I think Bitcoin is something different than that. But the, the crypto idea within video games, like the currencies within World of Warcraft, which kind of, I think, prepared a lot of people for that casino.

[Tristana Zimself]

Tokenization of everything.

[Jay Dyer]

Tokenization of everything. Gamification. Gamification of everything. There's that email where he says, yes, I was involved in, you know, black ops video game, you know, experimentation with getting people interested in and addicted to constant virtual spending. And again, just another insidious element that probably nobody would have ever connected. Jeffrey Epstein to.

[Tristana Zimself]

100. So, I mean, you've got, you've got the gamification of everything, the Internet of things, the tokenization of everything, including nature, you know, so they're, they're really, they're working towards this whole new scheme and they're going to repackage all the carbon. We haven't heard much about the carbon trading and all this. It got a lot of bad publicity back when, you know, people like us were talking about it in 2017, 18, 19. There was, there was a lot of pushback in, I think, I guess that was during Trump's first presidency and all the Davos stuff that was coming out. And, you know, I mean, it's just, it's crazy how much has happened over.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, this, this year, this year at Bilderberg, you had people even calling out, journalists were going up and calling out Bill Gates and Larry Fink of blackrock and pointing out, saying, hey, you know, years ago you guys were calling, you know, attention to climate catastrophe, climate emergency, carbon emergencies, and now you guys don't even talk about it. The journalists were arguing to them that because they've hopped on the AI train and there's so much need for energy, for AI, that it doesn't make sense to be on board with all this de. Industrialization and, you know, removing all of our energy sources. So notice how unimportant now carbon tax and all that stuff is given the, the rise of AI.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, I wonder. One thought that comes up is, well, maybe you don't. You're not going to need that when you have this giant machine for producing austerity out of, you know, the destruction of white collar and blue collar jobs through automatic automate automation of everything. So you, you know, even though the large language models and they've made a lot of progress over the last couple years, you know, I mean if you, if you had just messed with LLMs, even in early 2025, what you have now is, is significantly better. They've got the AI, the agents that they're going to start marketing more where you can have it. You know, you can have it book your flights, you can have it do certain tasks that a, an assistant would do. Right. So I, I think a lot of the carbon trading, carbon taxing stuff, they're just like, well, perhaps this is, you know, theoretical. Maybe they don't need that just because of all the hype that they've created in the momentum they've created with AI. They're going to get the same results anyways. You don't have to formalize it into this carbon taxing. You just bring about austerity using, you know, the economic means and economic warfare. Yeah, I mean, and I think they have, they've destroyed a lot of jobs already and it seems like it's going to get worse.

[Jay Dyer]

No, that's what's crazy is, you know, trying to figure out exactly how accurate all these predictions and warnings about AI are. I mean, it's hard to say, I don't really know. But to get back to kind of the, the culture creation aspect of Jeff Stein McGuffery something that not really anybody's.

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[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

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[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

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[Dan Morgan]

Yeah. 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north. Probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and better and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Tristana Zimself]

Awesome.

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[Dan Morgan]

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[Tristana Zimself]

Wow.

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[Dan Morgan]

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[Jay Dyer]

Alex did a little bit because Alex was, you know, plowing through this all week and looking at a lot of the, the cultural things that Epstein had his hands in. Again, let's not forget, you know, pop culture, pop musicians, celebrities. One thing that's kind of not been focused on in the last eight days that did surprise me a little bit was if you Remember back in 2017, 18, 19, all the Epstein talk was about the black book and the Lolita Express and all the celebrities that flew. And you know, you had that list that came out of like all the A listers and the top, you know, pop music people that has suspiciously been totally not even mentioned. So I'm curious if people just aren't thinking to, you know, look up Katy Perry and you know, whoever else was supposedly Ben Affleck or whoever else was, you know, in the past on these flights. I know that Jane Fond and Robert De Niro came up and they were kind of almost mocked as like the, the goy stand ins for some of the events. I don't know if you saw that email where they were Epstein and his. Yeah, I think it's his publicist.

[Tristana Zimself]

They were making fun of, of De Niro.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, they said, they said, we're gonna have an event. It's going to be essentially a Jewish event. And then they said something like. And of course a couple of our goy stand ins like Jane Fonda and Robert De Niro. Yeah, that's what I said, dude.

[Tristana Zimself]

Jane Fonda. Jane Fonda's alive.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh, this was an older email.

[Tristana Zimself]

When did she. Man, it's just crazy. Some of these people are such relics. All these, these old 60s activists and. But yeah. Oh, it's hilarious. That's amazing. Well, they had that their one email about like is this one's going to Be Jews only. It's like, nah, we'll have. It'll be good.

[Jay Dyer]

I think it's that one where they mentioned De Niro and Jane Fonda and somebody else gets mentioned in that, but I don't remember. But it's a bunch of like that older boomer era celebrity people. And then of course, we had Leonardo DiCaprio popping up after the second or third day, but that was according.

[Tristana Zimself]

I like how DiCaprio is also Diddy's favorite, like, you know, boy toy to brag about too. Like, we got Leonardo DiCaprio here. Got this party going. It's one of my favorite guests to invite. I always invite Leo up in here. Chapstick on my. My Diddy lips. I got Diddy always licks his lips all the time. Get The Leo. Leonardo DiCaprio. Did you watch the Diddy documentary? The two part did.

[Jay Dyer]

I've not seen that yet. No. I've been so immersed for nine days in the episode stuff that I haven't seen that.

[Tristana Zimself]

But it's the same thing as the Epstein stuff.

[Jay Dyer]

I know it's like. And I think get into too much. Epstein even mentioned you get into. There's even an email where he says something like, you know, Diddy's doing a similar type of thing. I'm not aware of a, of a connection between them, but there's some reference. Yeah, like, like, oh, he's doing this on like a smaller scale or whatever. Like. But I wanted to ask too, did you see the. So the Leo one was weird because it was Epstein asking Peter Mandelson, the disgraced UK politician, to set up deals for Leo in Europe and other countries because Leo's not making enough money from product deals. So again, very.

[Tristana Zimself]

That was like 2009 or something.

[Jay Dyer]

Seemingly a pretty intimate. Yeah, pretty intimate connection there between some of these, these Hollywood goblins. But we had the Brett Ratner guy that was, you know, made the Melania documentary. He pops up in some of those photos very closely hugging people with. With Jeff Stein, McGuffery. And. But I think again, the culture creation aspect comes to the fore here because whether it's pop music or whether it's Hollywood, like, it's just kind of mind blowing the. All of the different domains that this dude had his tentacles into. Like, he's involved in every aspect of culture. It's not just high finance. It's not just blackmail and sex operations. It's like, how can we, you know, influence black ops? How can we, you know, influence and get ahead of the game with cryptocurrencies? How can we get involved in, you know, setting up movies? There was that one weird email where somebody sent an email to just lady, and they were like, hey, just Lane, by the way, here's the Hollywood celebrities I want to have sex with. It's like. It's like five.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, you send her his wish list.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, exactly. It's just crazy stuff, I think. And. And Hathaway was on there. I forget who else is on there, but. Oh, it's just. It's so crazy, like, the level of vindication, by the way, that, you know, we were. We were on a podcast with John Adams 10 years ago Talking about California as a military industrial complex test lab for culture creation. Not just in terms of Hollywood and music and all that, but also cults, as you said, also the military, the huge, you know, naval presence is a big role in all that. Bohemian Grove, obviously, in San Francisco, but. And, you know, Jeff seen even saying, I want to get into Bohemian Grove. I'll fly out here. I'm headed to Bohemian Grove. I want to understand Bohemian Grove. He says in that email he's. I'm ready to check it out. Literally everything. He's setting up meets, meetings with the Pope, you know, wants to get involved. He seems to be close to John Paul ii, arranges meetings and flights for Pope Francis. So this dude is a major connector player. My assessment, I want to see if you agree from what you've looked at, because you've been looking at it all week, too. Like, he seems to be not the top of the pyramid because he's got people telling him what to do. Like he's. There's a couple emails saying you have permission to assassinate. You can kill her. Did you kill the spy? Etc.

[Tristana Zimself]

And then he said that was the one. I think people took that one. I don't know. I. I feel like he. All right, these. These are people who talk in code. I feel like they were having a. It was a conversation in jest, or maybe someone screwed them over so there was something going on where they were. Clearly there was a background with this person. He's like, oh, you have permission to kill him. To me, I read that one as, like, her being a little facetious. I feel like if he was really going to be.

[Jay Dyer]

Did you see the one?

[Tristana Zimself]

I feel he's smarter.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay, but did you see the one? I understand you could read it that way. Did you see the one, though, between him and the professor? No Walk or Novak or no Walk, whatever his name was. That was the one where he was like, yes. They got our spy and they tortured her.

[Tristana Zimself]

Okay. Yeah, but there were a few. There were a few that were talking about things like this. Did. Did you get the spy we sent? I almost feel like that might. I don't know if I was right, if I was writing that they got.

[Jay Dyer]

Our spy and they tortured her. Something like that.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'd like to see the email surrounding that. It just seems like people are going to be smart and use a little bit of code. But I don't know, it's like even. Even just growing, you know, when you're around people who are even like drug culture. Right. Like they're in the. In the. Early in the mid-2000s, when I was in high school and stuff, we had cell phones. Right. We would always talk to code about. We knew that we're being. We knew that everything could be surveilled. So you're like trying to buy weed, like talking in code. Hey, man, I've got those.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, but in so many of these things or whatever.

[Tristana Zimself]

I get it.

[Jay Dyer]

But in so many emails, they're not speaking in code. They're being really blatant. Even with the ages of the girls. Some of the pictures that they've sent that are blacked out.

[Tristana Zimself]

I know, it's crazy, right?

[Jay Dyer]

So. So it seems like cases, they. They abide by codes and in other cases, like, they don't even care. They just say like the most insane level stuff without even caring.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, but I, I feel like there's. There's a gamification that they're involved in, in their. And the language. I'm. There's no doubt that these people would have people killed if they needed to. They would take care of things. But it's like, you know, just. Did you get the spy and, and tickle her torture? Like he, they were making. He was making other things about tickling and torturing and it was like. It almost seems like he's. He's got like his whole sexual thing, torture was tied in with that, you know, so it's like he. It almost seems to me like some of those emails are just talking about their kinky, weird stuff. Like, I sent a spy. You're gonna torture the spy. Yeah. It could be like being like creeper weirdos with like sending chicks and I don't. Who knows, man? I mean, you see this stuff back in the few months ago. Or was that weird glove that Epstein had and it was like all ribbed with like, you know, it was like it was a textured glove to be Used for not, you know, well, to, to.

[Jay Dyer]

To make.

[Tristana Zimself]

Wasn't an oven.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay. But to give you an example of overlap there, if you look at the ELM Guest House scandal that happened in the UK with British intelligence, so they basically fitted out a house of ill repute that included men and women and all kinds of stuff. There's a huge component to ELM Guest House that dealt with bdsm obviously because a lot of those sickos are into it. But this, these same high level British MPS and intelligence people that were compromising everybody at the, the House of ill repute, they were also into like T O R T U R E and their spies and they will off people. In fact, some of the people that were investigating that particularly I think a BBC journal, BBC journalists ended up killed. So know it's not antithetical to speaking in a BDSM way.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, obviously these people are into all this stuff.

[Jay Dyer]

Actual 8 millimeter stuff is what I'm saying.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean you just, you just almost. You'd think they'd be a little bit more smarter with their use of code. But I.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, at this point, wealthy elite people at that level, I mean imagine being 30 and being brought into Trilateral Commission directly by Kissinger and Rockefeller and you're on the steering committee at age 30 and you know, the most wealthy, powerful people, you then become an attache for the Roth. I was like, I think they genuinely thought like we're absolutely untouchable, we will never get in trouble for this. So I think that a lot of times they didn't have that much concern.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, that could be the case. It's crazy how indiscreet some of the emails seem. And it's, you know, I mean I run multiple possible scenarios whenever I'm looking at some of these emails. There's different ways you could, could, you could exegete the texts. And I think the whole Epstein thing, I mean it really is, it's kind of. Have you ever, you ever had the crying a lot? 49 by pension.

[Jay Dyer]

I, I bought that and one of my good friends is a big fan of it and he was trying to get me to read it. I know it's a. Basically a conspiracy related. It relates to the, to the Mail and I want to read that but I actually got more into inherent vice. But I was going to read in here advice before I read that one.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, I haven't read other stuff from Pinchin but I, I'd always kind of written him off because a lot of his fan base is annoying online And I don't, you know, he. People. A lot of like really far left conspiracy analysis people. Well, they'll present him as if he's, you know, he's one of us, bro. He's like, I'm full on Marxist or something, right? For. From what I've read. I actually don't, I don't. I don't think he is from. Just from reading the crying of Lot 49. I've been. I tried to read Gravity's Rainbow a couple times when I was like 20. I was too much of a slow, slow boy back then. The prose was difficult. He's got. He writes like Faulkner. He'll do like a. I mean maybe it may be a little less difficult than Faulkner, but I hadn't read Faulkner at the time. Faulkner will do like. He'll have a sentence and then he'll throw a parenthetical. He'll throw an M dash. That M dash portion of the sentence will go. And he's got like five parentheticals stacked on top of each other. And he, he'll have a sentence that goes five pages like an Absalom. Absalom and pinch and write somewhat like that. But crying a lot 49 is easier and I've heard Inherent Vice easy to read. I like it, man. But I think you'd like that book. And one of the ideas in the book is just this, the. The exegesis of American culture. And it's like a noir, I would say the, the way to describe the crying of lot 49. It is. It is a noir novel where the audience kind of becomes a stand in for the main character at a Pamas and she's trying to. Oedipa is trying to figure out what this, what this conspiracy that's happening in California has to do with her or anything. And the conspiracy ends up becoming to her this all encompassing thing. And it's. It's a. It's a somewhat. It kind of subverts the noir concept because she doesn't get more clarity as the novel goes on. The character ends up getting less clarity and less clarity and then ends up almost becoming, you know, she gets very paranoid. So it's about paranoia. It's about kind of the postmodern era of post World War II. And the have like the.

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[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

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It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan And Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

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[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north. Probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Tristana Zimself]

Awesome.

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[Dan Morgan]

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[Tristana Zimself]

Wow.

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[Dan Morgan]

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[Tristana Zimself]

Core of America being so conspiratorial in nature. It's. It's a good novel. I. I might do a. I'll have to do a couple shows on it because it's. It's one that it's. It's relatively short and you, you get through it quickly. I, I read kind of slowly, so I'm always having to sometimes back up.

[Jay Dyer]

And like, yeah, I'm a slow reader too.

[Tristana Zimself]

I try to deconstruct every sentence. Like sometimes I'm trying to understand the syntax. Like, what's he doing here? And I'm trying to map things in a weird way sometimes. So it takes me forever to get through bigger tones that are, you know, like, good lit. But anyways, the Epstein files are kind of like that, where it becomes it for so many people. It's. It's a Rorschach test. So people are the people who have already determined Trump didn't do nothing wrong. You know, the people who are like Fox News libs. They're like, it's a big nothing burger. What do you want people crying about, like, every order. This ain't no big deal. Like, give me my. Give me my MAGA hat. Like, let's get back to American America. Great. Like, we go get that Venezuelan oil, baby. Get that Venezuela oil that's belong to Us now, like all the, all the while your country's being overrun with Venezuelan.

[Jay Dyer]

Refugees and then, and then the oil goes, the oil goes directly to Israel.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, that's making America great, bro. It's our oil. Like people like literally think that they're. I love how MAGA has just become openly neocon. I don't even care. They're just like, we're winning, bro. The freaking libtards are going to melt down when they realize that the anti Semite libs are going to melt down when they realize we gave that Venezuelan oil to Israel. But the, the Epstein files kind of. It's a weird thing. It's such a, it's such a huge dump on everybody and to get through it, it takes so much time. I don't know if that's strategic. On part of the doj, it seems like they were forced into releasing them, which, I don't know, you'd kind of think that they'd be able to just keep it under wraps, just be like, nah, it's really, you know, you think they could disappear it. I'm sorry, I'm getting into my own like thoughts and speculations here, but I, I think they, there's so much of it and there's so many people looking at it that there's so many different conclusions to be drawn. And some of, some of it is very hard to interpret and some of it's just straightforward. Like these people are engaging. This is not an elected person. So the sacred, the sacred tomos of democracy says that, you know, power is in the hands of elected leaders and in the hands of the people. Well, who voted for Jeffrey Epstein? Who voted for. I mean, I guess everybody did because people like him are running both sides of the political, the fake political spectrum. So it's, it's, it's a strange thing that's happened the last couple of weeks and it's kind of overwhelming just seeing all the stuff that's coming out and then seeing complete polar opposite reaction. Some people are just like, got that guy freaking out in the airport. What is going. You see that video? He's.

[Jay Dyer]

You guys all just going on with your lives. Harrison or Alex played that. Yeah.

[Tristana Zimself]

And then you've got people who are like, this is nothing. What are you guys even talking about? I haven't seen any admissions of any crimes here. This is boring.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, right. That, that reaction just blows my mind. It's like, this is the biggest story of our news time, of our. This big new biggest news story of our lifetime, I think. And then people Are like, yeah, yeah, what. What is it? What is even. What the hell is even that? As the meme says, like, what.

[Tristana Zimself]

What is this? Why? Who cares? Like, who cares? Like, are you freaking kidding me? But I, I understand it too because there's fatigue from it too. I mean, even with, you know, people like us who've been looking knee deep in this stuff since, I mean you, since you were born in 1920, me being slightly younger, I was actually reading.

[Jay Dyer]

Tragic and Hope when I was in diapers. Literally.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, you helped to write it. You have to write trash.

[Jay Dyer]

Quickly asked True Story is quickly asked for my consultation and I basically just gave him access to some of my archives. So that's what actually happened.

[Tristana Zimself]

The original dedication was, it was actually to Jay Dyer. It was dedicated to Jay Dyer, who's, who's, you know, whose leather, human leather bound archived books were the basis of most of the material in Tragedy.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, I wanted to go back to the topic of culture creation because there's another area that I know that you, you were also aware of many years ago too that you've critiqued and that's Jeff Stein's interest in the domain of like counterculture online, like Reddit. Because just Lane, it turns out, appears to have been a pretty high profile Reddit model with thousands of posts. You know, she's able to like delete and, and control a lot of different forums. And then Epstein meeting directly with one of the, you know, original sort of coder creators of 4chan. So he seems to have had a, an angle in the degeneracy that comes out of 4chan, the atheism that comes out of Reddit. And that doesn't make, that's not surprising because he's surrounded by, you know, these formative four horsemen of the atheist apocalypse right of the 2000s. He's hanging out with Dennett Dawkins, Lawrence Krause, Pinker, all these atheist materialists. So I think this also vindicates the thesis as I was arguing all week, that you know, the new atheism was also a top down sort of psyop and that the, the, the online counterculture out of like 4chan. It also has an element of toxic culture. Via Epstein.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, I'm gonna try to find. There's an interesting post that was analyzing that and I had that the, the email there, but it does seem like Epstein. So somebody in the chat I'm sure could correct this but some of the lore about 4chan is it. It wasn't always poll but they. That there were several things that happened in the development of 4chan, where they're essentially trying to quarantine a lot of certain discussions and that Epstein's action and. And push of that specific dev was to get him to create kind of a, a little echo chamber out of those discussions and push all of that type of talking to there and then flood it with like, you know, is Mossad type handlers who are just posting all sorts of nonsense and then flooding it with pornography and, and other things that are gonna, you know, get people to get certain elements of it to go away. So this is really interesting how they, how they kind of moderated that under the direction of Epstein for the purpose of culture creation.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, I mean, it's so many different angles. And again, the weird part is that, okay, there's this push for, for atheism, but at the same time, Epstein seems to be directly interested in all kinds of really weird new age stuff. He speculates about dimensions, kabbalistic ideas. In the Bannon interview, reality is a big, you know, matrix simulation type of code. This kind of idea seems to be there. So at the 1, on the 1 hand, there's the push for new atheism, but also he's really interested in these mystical topics, as he brings up many times in the Bannon interview. So those things are not antithetical. I mean, both the New Age movement and the New atheist movement absolutely serve the overall technocratic agenda.

[Tristana Zimself]

What a surprise. What a surprise. But it's funny how there is no real atheism. It always becomes, you know, becomes this monism of materialism. Or it becomes, you know, all spooky action at a distance. You know, even. Even materialism ends up in spooky action at a distance. Quantum mechanics.

[Jay Dyer]

That's exactly what Epstein is into. Yeah, that's the way he speaks in the interview.

[Tristana Zimself]

Did you.

[Jay Dyer]

Do you.

[Tristana Zimself]

Do you have the link? What's the link for the. There's a searchable database where you can search any term through the Epstein files.

[Jay Dyer]

I think if you just pull up any of the DOJ links that people put up on X, I think you can search it from that.

[Tristana Zimself]

Can you search within the document?

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[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

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It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Podcast Host]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion one 20 billion is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Tristana Zimself]

Awesome.

[Podcast Host]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan, what would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 24, 7, 365.

[Tristana Zimself]

Wow.

[Podcast Host]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's large injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.

[Tristana Zimself]

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[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, tell me about that because he brings that up in abandoned interview early on. Do you know about that?

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, he didn't. He wasn't the primary investor as far as I know. But the reason I know about the Santa Fe Institute at all is because of Cormac McCarthy's involvement there. He would write certain things, I think he would help to edit certain papers that a lot of these guys were putting out. And later in his life McCarthy became really interested in physics and this whole world of physics. And I think he had a, he had a, he had a proclivity towards this since he was a kid because his dad, Cormac's father was a. Became a big shot lawyer in Tennessee and, you know, the Tennessee Valley Project of getting. Of damming up the river and creating this giant hydroelectric plant that ended up siphoning power from this river into being used for the Manhattan Project. McCarthy's dad was the lawyer that was dealing with the Tennessee Valley Authority in this during the Second World War. So he had like a falling out with his dad. And you could see it in. In a lot of his stuff there. It's kind of under the surface, but then also there's certain things in, like, Sutri. And then even in his later work, he. He starts. I haven't read the Passenger yet. It's his last novel. But in the Passenger he's concerned with the metaphysics of physics and also paranoia, conspiracy, Manhattan Project and schizophrenia. So one of the characters in the Passenger is a paranoid schizophrenic, but kind of a relatively high, high intelligence physicist. And she is. I think it's. I haven't read it yet. I've got it. I've got to get to the Passenger. I'll probably won't read it till next year. So. But McCarthy was the only writer. He was the only writer involved in the Santa Fe Institute. So, yeah, I was curious if anybody had searched McCarthy's name in the. In the Epstein files and seen if he had any direct contact with, well, Jeffrey Epstein.

[Jay Dyer]

You know, the one area that I've not seen Jeff Stein have a whole lot of interest or influence in is literature.

[Tristana Zimself]

So maybe except the novel Lolita.

[Jay Dyer]

He loved, I was gonna say, yeah, aside from something like that.

[Tristana Zimself]

But, I mean, he loved Lolita, but he. He had this weird exegesis basis of it, you know. Have you ever read Navikov's?

[Jay Dyer]

I've not read it, no. I mean, I'm familiar with like, the Kubrick adaptation, but I've not read him.

[Tristana Zimself]

I'd say that Nabikov's book is much less. I'd say it's more condemning of the character Humbert Humbert than Kubrick's film. Kubrick's film is a little bit. Kubrick's film is. Is strange. It's almost more sus than Na Cop's novel. Lolita is a strange novel. I mean, it's. As far as 20th century literature, it's an important work, but, you know, it's an unreliable narrator. And the narrator, him himself, is a seductor of the audience. So the audience is getting seduced into this language of the narrator. And he writes this very beautiful poetic prose and he's, you know, the narrator himself, though we know from the very beginning that this guy is trouble, right? Like, there's a whole preface. It's from another character. And there's, you know, there's narratives within the narrative, but it's about, you know, the abuse of a young girl and the killing of the mother. You know, so Humbert Humbert kills the mother of Dolores and then takes this girl under his wing and ends up trying to make her his love object. But he ends up. It's a. It's a novel part of it. It's about dehumanization. It's about the destruction of the soul and the. The innocence of the small girl by this monster, Humbert Humbert. But Epstein's reading this is like. Like this is based. He's like, this is freaking awesome. And what's weird is in one of the novel, or, I'm sorry, in one of the emails, he's recommending Lolita as well as the material of some pornographic actress to this girl that he's talking to. And he's telling this girl. I think it's. I think these are in the same emails where he's telling this girl, oh, yeah, she's like, I watched that video, and I did the thing that the girl did in the video to this guy, and he loved it. It's like talking about, you know, how to. How to get further in with a guy. And he's giving her. He's telling her how to, like, game getting close to this man, and she's getting tips from him on how to make him trust her, how to make him addicted to her, and how to do certain things physically to make him crave her. And then also, he starts talking about Lolita, and he's like, you have to get the annotated version. And he ends up recommending her this annotated version, which I think it was the annotated version that I had read when I was in college. And it's. You know, it's. All the annotations are very. There's not many people that were reading.

[Jay Dyer]

We lost him for a second. He'll be right back. So you were talking about the annotated versions you just cut off?

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, I mean, this specific annotated version, from what I remember of it, is consistently showing you how the novel really is about this monster. And it's, you know, it's a. It's a story about dehumanization and whatnot. But I guess Epstein just thought that's all. He doesn't. He doesn't care is that's. I'm gonna read it in the way I like. And Humbert Humbert's the hero, and I want to find myself little Lolitas. And he called his plane Lolita Express. So a lot of the core symbolism of Epstein is just him having a depravid exegesis of a book that. I mean, Nabokov himself said that, you know, Humbert is the villain. Humbert Humbert is a villain. It's a book about a villain. And he didn't. You know, most great literature has got multiple levels of analysis that you can do on it. It's not just this. It's not just a book about this, but it's. It's interesting to see his. His interpretation of it. And who knows, maybe an entire subculture of people that are like that also interpret Lolita in that way.

[Jay Dyer]

I know you did an interview recently with a bla. I think you guys covered some lit. What was your bla Chat? What book was that? And then I want to get back to some of the Jeff Stein stuff and some. Some other lit stuff too, but go ahead.

[Tristana Zimself]

No, we did a few. We did a few McCarthy books. We did some early McCarthy stuff is like Southern Gothic Phase, which are good novels a little bit, but I'd say, you know, if you're squeamish, maybe not so good. But I like, I like them. They're. They're great novels. We did both. We. We did both Outer Dark and Child of God. And they're. They're good, man. I mean.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, I know that one. When they made the. The film version of that one, it was. Everybody talked about it being super gross. Could you tell me. I'm not doubting you on saying that the novel's good, but can you explain? Is it, you know, is the movie something to be avoided or is it actually accurate or what.

[Tristana Zimself]

I haven't seen. I haven't watched the film because I, you know, I've seen the Road. The Road. I thought the Road was horrible. I thought that.

[Jay Dyer]

That.

[Tristana Zimself]

I thought that movie sucked. It was okay. But if you've read the novel, I mean, the Road, it's a quick read, and it's, It's. It's one. It's such a beautiful book. I think the Road is the Road is one of the most beautiful books of, like, the 20. The early 2000s might be the best novel of the early 2000s, that one. And maybe, like, maybe Dennis Johnson is up there too. But I think, I think the Road is one of the top Novels of, like, between 2000 and 2010. And I hated the film. I thought it was awful. And it's. You're trying to adapt something that's so. It's. With the core of it. A lot of it is in the language. With McCarthy, it's like. It's the structure of the sentence. It's how it. You know, it's how it sounds when you read it out loud. It's. It's the. It's the language. It's. He uses all these Anglo Saxon words and he. It's just. He's just surgical precision with his. With his writing. So. Child of God, I wouldn't. I don't know why Franco tried it. I guess you got to respect the try. But I didn't watch it because Child of God, it's not a movie that you'd want to adapt. It's about a serial killer. Right? It's kind of like about this Appalachian, this reject from culture. And it's like a guy that took that. That transition between two ages. He took it in a direction of. I'm going to completely reject everything around me. It's a. It's about a story of a person who. The trauma that they experienced as a child, they took it in a direction of, you know, just depravity. And it's about the fall. It's a. It's about demonosis, basically. It's about a guy just embracing like. Like all of his passions and. And he becomes. Actually, he becomes. This wouldn't even fly these days because the deprav. Depravity. Serial killer Lester. Lester Ballard, which is such a great name for serial killer Lester Ballad.

[Jay Dyer]

It's perfect.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah. Lester Ballard ends up running around in a dress with makeup on and, like, you know, carrying the dead body of one of his victims because of the. He burned down his little hovel that he had kind of squatted in in Appalachia. Stand and hiding in a cave. It's like a reverse Plato's cave where he ends up putting. He brings. He goes into the cave. Instead of coming out of the cave, he goes into it and brings the bodies with him. So it's like this re. Inverse Platonism kind of a thing. But on the surface, it's like. It maybe would seem kind of crazy. And depravity as a film because it's just like, you know, gross guy.

[Jay Dyer]

I've only read Blood Meridian at. Had to do a grab paper on Blood Ranian, which I thought was interesting. I enjoyed the novel. So I've not looked at These other ones. But I think you would. It would be fun if you and I want to do a lit stream down the road. We should do. We should do Flannery o' Connor's two novellas because they're really funny and they have some of the same themes that you're describing. Like in Violent Bear at Away, you've got this crazy Pentecostal lunatic who kind of sounds like the guy you're talking about. He's a great character, so it'd be fun to do. And those are really quick, easy reads I've got.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, I've got copies of both of them we could do. We gotta do, like, one at a time. I hear they're both similar. Someone told me they like the Violent Bear Away more than Wise Blood.

[Jay Dyer]

They're both really insightful. Like Wise Blood, it really, prophetically, it predicts the New Atheists and they. The.

[Tristana Zimself]

Oh, wow.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, that guy. The guy acts basically just like the New Atheists. And she was writing that back in, like the 40s or 50s.

[Tristana Zimself]

But that's crazy.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah. And Violent Bear Away is a very accurate description of the tendencies that you see amongst these really just extreme, sort of charismatic lunatics. So those.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, you know, McCarthy was really influenced by Flannery O'. Connor. You could tell he would have.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, he would have to be.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah. He loved Flannery o', Connor and I think that she was influential on him. And Faulkner, I think he loved.

[Jay Dyer]

Right.

[Tristana Zimself]

He kind of. He OD'd on Flannery O' Connor and Faulkner and ended up taking them and putting him in his own style and becoming something else with it, though. He kind of. He took it, in a way, with the Border trilogy, I think. I think I might do. So I'm gonna do some more lit streams, too, because they're fun.

[Jay Dyer]

They're fun. It's just nobody watches them because nobody reads books. This drives me crazy.

[Tristana Zimself]

I know, right? Yeah. But I mean, I think your audience, no matter what you want to talk about, people are going to come. They're interested in your insights and stuff. You know, people watch your videos, movie streams, when they haven't watched the movie that you're talking about, too.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, true.

[Tristana Zimself]

And you have a good. You have a good way for. Of tying it all in to, you know, the themes that you see prevalent today. I think. I think you. I don't think you'd lose too much audience over it. Your audience is big enough where you could shave off the.

[Jay Dyer]

You could cut some of the fat, separate the wheat from the chaff.

[Podcast Host]

I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Say hi, Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Podcast Host]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Podcast Host]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion. 20 million is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north. Probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Jay Dyer]

Awesome.

[Podcast Host]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting for to take your call. 24, 7, 365.

[Tristana Zimself]

Wow.

[Podcast Host]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's large injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

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Plan cahs.com contracts for coverage, details, limitations and exclusions. So the. I'd like to do more Narnia too, because I was talking to BLA when I was. We went to dinner in Virginia after the Ludwell conference and we were talking about texts and I didn't realize that, you know, people think of Narnia as like kind of simplistic child literature. But for example, going back and I was. I've been rereading Horse and His Boy, which is later on in the series, but I didn't even realize that's a complete critique of Islam. It's a total critique of Islam this whole time.

[Tristana Zimself]

Narnia series, I've only read the lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe and maybe one other. Remember, I bought the set because I like the line the Witch and the Wardrobe.

[Jay Dyer]

It's actually a lot deeper than I thought.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, my kids love Narnia. My kids have read the Narnia books maybe five, six times too. They destroyed all the paperbacks, so we just got them a new hardcover set. But all the hardcover stuff you buy now, it's funny, they all have these ugly, like AI generated images.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh, yeah.

[Tristana Zimself]

You look at the COVID now, it just looks like slop. You're like, dude, this is. Is awful cover for these books. But they don't care. They know what's in the books anyways. But yeah, they, they love those. And I mean, Lord of the Rings, there's depth totally. As well. And I like how what they, what they did, they did something so different is they didn't really get into the whole modernist movement. And, and I don't mean modernist or postmodernist in like the philosophical way. I mean, just the literary forms, they kind of stuck with that Victorian form and they're just like, we don't care. We're going full on allegory. We're doing it. We're going alle. And we're gonna, we're gonna moralize everything. We're gonna just make it didactic. But it, it's got a great feel to it. And they're. Yeah. As far as children and exposing them to good literature, I think those are fantastic foundational texts for them to read and you don't have to worry about them being, you know, programmed into some strange modernist ideas and whatnot.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, well, speaking of that, I mean, going back to The Jeff Stein McGuffrey stuff, I don't think it was surprising to many people, although I guess the, the blatant aspects that were somewhat, perhaps surprising was his discussions and interest in early transitioning of young people in terms of the trans movement and then that kind of seemingly tying in directly to his transhumanist views. So it's not accidental that he's going to be pushing for three age. Three year olds at that young of an age to transition, talking to different doctors and creeps about it. And then some of the more unspeakable emails that I won't mention that Alex has highlighted all week about the babies and what, you know, the email specifically to the biologist asking for. I'm not even going to say it. It's just the worst thing I've ever.

[Tristana Zimself]

Heard of, but I must have missed that one.

[Jay Dyer]

You don't. I'll tell you privately, it's. It's not, it's real.

[Tristana Zimself]

It's not just one of the. Because some of the emails.

[Jay Dyer]

I mean, the email with the biologist is real, as far as I can tell.

[Tristana Zimself]

I mean, well, not saying so that there were fake emails. What I've seen is people are taking emails that the FBI had archived because they were from, you know, they're from like 4 Chance. Some of them are from actual mentally ill people and they're like, you know, Bill Clinton ate my.

[Jay Dyer]

No, no, not, not the. This is not FBI tips. This is emails to like a biologist.

[Tristana Zimself]

Like, legit from Epson. Yeah, that's crazy.

[Jay Dyer]

I can pull it up. But how can I just.

[Tristana Zimself]

It sucks because all this stuff is so grim. And then you say something like, I'm not even going to talk about that. And then because I've been exposed to so much of this crap and like, I'm like, I have to know now.

[Jay Dyer]

I don't even care. I want to know.

[Tristana Zimself]

But it's.

[Jay Dyer]

I mean, you're obviously so basically, how could I say this? It's an email. I'm scrolling down to see if I can find it to a. A guy that works in biology, obviously some goblin professor. And he. He's asking about certain techniques that you can do to make the infant do certain things.

[Tristana Zimself]

Oh, you. It's like Kathy o' Brien stuff I used to talk about. Yeah, that's. She details that. And I'm not saying that everything she said was legit, but. And if anybody wants to read one of those foundational conspiracy era conspiracy. I don't want to say theory, but like conspiracy realm texts. Kathy o' Brien's the Transformation of America. And she does like, she does the. The black world, the black conspiracy transformation. You know what transformation is? It's transformation because you forming a trance on the tell Live vision. You're telling the lies of your vision. Scion, you know, they do that. The Transformation of America.

[Jay Dyer]

So.

[Tristana Zimself]

And they talk about the stuff about programming kids at a young age. It's horrible. It's.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, well, that's in John C. Lilly's book too. I mean, he doesn't mention the sexuality, but he does mention at the end of programming and metaprogramming, the giving young, young kids lsd. But this is.

[Tristana Zimself]

He was able to blank slate them. He turned them to blank slates with acid.

[Jay Dyer]

This is the Mark Tramo email T R A M O. So people want to go look this up. You can look it up. It does appear to be a real Epstein email. And it's Jeffrey. It's just his reply to Epstein. He says, thank you for sending so and so my way. I trust the words are acceptable. Let me know. I'm on my road, on the cell, on the road, blah, blah, blah. I was reading today that newborns will do certain things if you play the mother's voice. So.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, that's. That was one of the most disturbing things in the Kathy o' Brien book that kind of, you know, did what. When did you get your hands on the Arizona Wilder, Kathy o'? Brien, that type?

[Jay Dyer]

So I remember reading some of Kathy's chapters back in the 2000s, and it was the same time that I started reading, you know, Fritz's Bloodlines Illuminati.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

I read a good portion of the Cisco Wheeler Illuminati mind control book. Believe it or not, that's where I actually saw the source of the John C. Lilly book. And, you know, I thought half of what Fritz was saying was crazy, but I was like, well, there's a lot of references here. So actually noticed where he said that. That they would give LLC to young kids, and he cited that obscure John C. Lily book. So I got it. And sure enough, at the. At the end of the book, he says, yes, you can actually program different altars within a child using lsd. So. So, you know, Fritz is a mixed bag. You know, he's got some of these gem references hidden in there. But I do remember thinking. And again, not. I'm not saying that Kathy o' Brien didn't experience bad stuff, it's just that some of the. The things that she says kind of just seem over. Over the top. It don't make sense.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

But I still think that there's still abuse going on, for sure.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, totally. But when she's saying how. I mean, she. It's. It's written like a spy novel kind of almost, you know.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah. I think that's the part that's a little unbelievable. The two things that come to mind is that I was flown to Costa Rica. These are in places so I could sleep with Kissinger. And then they sent me over next door to David Rockefeller, and then they flew me out to the next.

[Tristana Zimself]

Right, right, right. And then they had a box, and there's a little key. And then when they put the key in the box. But it all makes sense. The techniques all make sense where she's talking about how they're using visual cues and they're, you know, they're wiring her in and subconsciously to have a certain physiological and mind state reaction to keywords. But.

[Jay Dyer]

But the other thing, too is like, there's. There's some claims that just don't seem to ring true or make any sense. Like she says, Yeah, I remember, you know, they took me to. To Nashville and they took me down beneath Union Station and they did a giant satanic ritual down. And I mean, I've been to Union Station, and I. I doubt that they were doing a big, you know, ritual down there. It just seems A little over the top. And then she's basically saying all the country music stars are all connected and doing the satanic rituals, and it just seems a little. A little over the top? Yeah, a little over the top, but I don't doubt that. The other thing too is she's like. Like, I knew my dad was mind controlling and programming me when he would sing country songs on the radio. And it's like, yeah, he would sing Boxcar Willie songs. And that was a. That was a trigger code because he had graped me. And I mean, I'm not saying that didn't happen. It's just like all of this wild every. In other words, for a lot of the victims. And I'm not saying it's not true because they. They're traumatized, so they get kind of scrambled up. Everything becomes part of that experience and that trauma. Does that make sense? So everything is then connected. So it's like.

[Tristana Zimself]

Well, if you believe. If you believe the premise, the methodologies that they describe it does that seems real. Her story of what happens within the context of the things that were done to her seems outlandish. And, you know, it's like she's like. And then George W. Bush. Not George W. Jen. Poppy Bush, like, made this huge heroin deal right in front of me, and he had me fly the heroin, and then he. And then he put on a gray alien costume and gave me ecstasy and lsd. It's like, okay, like this.

[Jay Dyer]

These.

[Tristana Zimself]

Poppy Bush has got a lot of time on his hands to be, you know, handling your programming. You'd think he would just use you for whatever he's using you for. Some of it doesn't make that much sense.

[Jay Dyer]

It was. It was the same. It was the same with her credit.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, go ahead. I was gonna say to. To her credit, if somebody was abused in that way, their mind is going to be so shattered if even 10 of what she says was done to her was done to her. Yeah, your mind is so shattered that fantasy and reality are completely blended in that state. And she even says this. But the weirdest thing is Mark Phillips background, right? Like Mark Phillips being this like NASA engineer character who called himself a deprogrammer. And that was a big thing back in the 80s, the deprogrammers for saving people from cults and stuff. But they're using the same techniques they. They use the same techniques to deprogram you of, you know, operant conditioning, Pavlovian techniques combined with drugs, cybernetics and stuff like that. They're just using it to deprogram. So then you have all these weird deprogrammer people running around. And I mean, just imagine the paranoia and the strangeness of being surrounded by these people who are all telling you that they were. Oh yeah, I used to be involved in the mind control program, but I went rogue. Now I'm no longer working with the agency and I'm here to deprogram you. Here, smoke this. You know, he's like Mark Phillips giving her pot. You remember she was talking about. He's like the only drug they wouldn't let you use was marijuana.

[Jay Dyer]

No, this is exactly, it's exactly what Fritz Springmeyer says. And this, this little sort of sub genre of, you know, 80s and 90s conspiracy world of the cult deprogrammer. This is such a kind of fun in a dark way, niche conspiracy topic that there's actually a pretty good indie movie about cult deprogramming. Have you seen that movie? It's, it's really funny. And they, they actually, they have to base the character on fruit Springmeyer. Do you know what I'm talking about? Have you seen that? It's like an A24 kind of art house style indie movie. Oh, it's great. It's. It's not that old. It's maybe a few years ago. Let me see if I can pull it up here.

[Tristana Zimself]

What was the. There was some movie with Jesse Eisenberg about stuff like MK Ultra, American Ultra, I never watched.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, that one is. It's a, that one's a little more of a action goofy thing. I did include it, I think in the second book, but this, this is more of a twisted sort of mind warp satire. It's, it's funny and it's, it's actually a good movie. It's a little dark, but. Does anybody remember the name of this one? It's got. I don't think it has anybody super famous in it, but if I see it in the chat, it's maybe 2018, 2019. It's actually a really good movie though. I promise. Tristan would actually really like this one. I could tell. But yeah, the cult deprogramming stuff is funny and, and all the, the ones that, you know, sort of claim that experience. It's, it's. There's always the same pattern of like. It starts out as like believable and then this sort of. The details get really expanded. For example, like that recent Annika Lucas when she was on with pbd. She's sort of the new version of the Kathy o' Brien. And I'M not saying that, I'm not, I'm not saying bad things didn't happen to her. But you know she gets really.

[Tristana Zimself]

David Rockefeller like bought me and sold me.

[Jay Dyer]

She never knew who David Rockefeller was and even when he died, when, when, when she had the flood of memories of the, of the regressed memories, she suddenly remembered everything. It's like how would you not know, like the most famous, wealthy New York elite man. Like it just seems very implausible.

[Tristana Zimself]

But I mean there's just, and you know he was very indiscreet because there's been several of his mind controlled slaves that have now become whistleblowers. So it's like he needs a titan. David Rockefeller was loose lipped or something or he was, he couldn't pick his MK Ultra Beta program Sex kittens very, very well, I don't know. You need to train his MK discernment.

[Podcast Host]

I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Podcast Host]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Podcast Host]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion one. 20 billion is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually I think somewhere north. Probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Jay Dyer]

Awesome.

[Podcast Host]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open or call. Cent center is always waiting to take your call. 24, 7 365.

[Tristana Zimself]

Wow.

[Podcast Host]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's large injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.

[Tristana Zimself]

He there's. It's funny because it's become a cottage industry, right? I mean conspiracy culture is, has become something. I mean it's all, it's always been weird but I don't know if it's more or less weird now than it was in the early 2000s. Mid 2000s, when you know, when you're always wondering, well, who's paying to publish this book? Yeah, you're reading these books and you're like, dang, this is. This is heavy. This is crazy. Who's this weirdo writing this? Like, how did this. You know, then you, you start getting paranoid about the person that's selling you the paradox.

[Jay Dyer]

Exactly. And the same thing with. I remember thinking this too. Like. Like when I first read Michelle remembers, I was like, you know, you're reading it and this is pretty believable. You know, it makes a lot of sense. And then you get to the end of the book and it's like she's got this translation of her conversation with the devil. And it's like, okay, this, this was all believable until it just started. Got really ridiculous. And then you, you look at the.

[Tristana Zimself]

Last 90 pages, it's a third of the book.

[Jay Dyer]

You look, you look into that and it's like, like, okay, she's obviously off. And then she runs off. She leaves her husband, like, runs off with the therapist. That seems to be recurring thing here. Now the movie that I was talking about is 2015 and it's the movie called Faults F A U l t s. 2015. I forget the actor's name. You've seen him in a lot of kind of indie projects and then that. That girl went on to be in several other pretty well known films. Mary Elizabeth Winstead. But this is a really good satire of like the Fritz Springmeier sort of deprogramming genre.

[Tristana Zimself]

I'm sure if it's light hearted, it's not like heavy. I mean, dark or how do they say the tone is.

[Jay Dyer]

It's a dark satire. So it's not. It's a little dark, but it's also so goofy that you can't really like, like the character, the Fritz. The Fritz Springmount character is really good goofy. And he's. He's kind of sincere, but he's also kind of a con man.

[Tristana Zimself]

Con man.

[Jay Dyer]

A little bit. Yeah.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, that's. That's cool.

[Jay Dyer]

It's funny. It's just funny.

[Tristana Zimself]

It always. In those type of circles there, there's this aspect of the huckster, the con man. And remember John Todd, the Illuminati tape? Yeah. I mean, he turned out to be complete con man, just a weirdo. And he was. And what's funny too is a lot of these guys who are selling this stuff to these evangelical crowds about. Oh, the Satanists are probably Mike Warnkey.

[Jay Dyer]

Mike Warnke, he's another one.

[Tristana Zimself]

Did he end up. Was he like John? Because John Todd ended up people. There were all these girls who were like, yeah, I was hanging around John Todd. I was 16 years old and he was, you know, telling me about all this stuff and then he tried to invite me to his coven and he told me that he's in a witch coven and we're gonna join the witch covenant and we're gonna be a part of this new covenant. And it's like, wait a minute, I thought he was the evangelical anti witchcraft guy. And they were, they're putting magic spells and David Crosby is the, is the top Satanist in America. And they're, they're doing the rituals over every master tape and they're master debating on the master. The tapes and it's like. And then. Oh yeah, he's starting witch covens with 16 year old like, you know.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah. Even after his supposed evangelical conversion and Illuminati, you know, exposes. I was actually reading John Todd's whole, you know, wiki the other day. I didn't realize he was doing all that stuff even then. So that's a recurring pattern. And I, I even think there was like anti satanist Illuminati drama between John Todd and Mike Warnke because Mike Warnke came right after John Todd as like the first sort of like public. I'm an ex Satanist and I'm here to expose them. And he goes, you know, doing this evangelical tour and he's doing all this preaching. And I've last I heard, like he ended up in a, in an historian church. He said he was like a deacon in an historian church, which is really weird. But he actually came to my hometown back when I was. I can't remember if I was an evangelical or I was beginning to get into traditional Catholicism. And he came and gave a talk. Mike Warnke did.

[Tristana Zimself]

He was trying. Gangstalking you, bro. He was trying to get you in his witchcraft.

[Jay Dyer]

No, he's just was milking that like late 90s evangelical, you know, still kind of funneling into the, you know, satanic panic type stuff.

[Tristana Zimself]

But huckster stuff. Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

A lot of these guys are just such ridiculous sort of hucksters on like their sixth wife and like just nonsense, constant drama. Nonsense. It's just crazy.

[Tristana Zimself]

There's something about. Yeah, it's difficult, you know, being in that world and being involved in, in looking at evil that much. You know, it's kind of that, that, that old trope of the dark we talked about.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah. Today was like, that can become its.

[Tristana Zimself]

Own kind of idol 100 and you know, so many people get that, get so obsessed with looking at that darkness and. Yes. I mean, it's probably why Shrinks are so weird, right? Like, you're just meddling with people. They're getting people into their, the darkest stuff. They're only talking with people about their problems. And, and the whole basis of it is all based on this, you know, false myth of what the human is, what the, the mind is. I think a lot of psychiatrists, of course, psychiatry being a vector point for, you know, research into behaviorism and of course the espionage implications of that is huge. And since the 1950s, it being the experimental playground of a bunch of sick people who's, you know, really, their MO Is to systematically dehumanize people. And I think that's what modern most psychiatry actually does. It, it reduces you to a, to a, to a brain and a body. And if all we could just, you know, just do this. We'll meddle with the serotonin here. Oh, yeah, exactly. So the molecular vision of life. I did like two three hour streams on that one.

[Jay Dyer]

I know, I remember that.

[Tristana Zimself]

That's fun.

[Jay Dyer]

That's why I got that book. And you're absolutely right. Like, the whole basis of. If you go back to Freud and even. I mean, obviously Freud and Carl Jung disagreed on fundamental, you know, metaphysical differences, but at the end of the day, like, they're both essentially satanic Luciferian in their, their worldview. Like, yeah, Carl Jung critiques the materialism and the, you know, base passions view that the Freud has. But, like, his answer is, bro, we need to like, just be gnostic and go into our, you know, subconscious and look at our dream states and, and all that. It's just, it's not, it's not that much better, really.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, yeah. No, he, I mean, he's, he's young. Let's give young a little bit of credit. He's. He's not as much of a sick freak weirdo as Freud. No, but he's also kind of a sick freak weirdo in a lot of ways too. I mean, in Reich, you know, you had, you had. Reich is not talked about much. I think Wilhelm Reich is overlooked. And he's somebody that, in the mid 2000s. I'm sure you read his. I still have other copy of his little book. Listen, little man with the cartoons in it. You, you ever read that one?

[Jay Dyer]

Don't have that. No. I'm just familiar with sort of the Frankfurt School connection. I don't know much about him other than that he was, Reich was portrayed. He was formative in the sexual revolution.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, he was weird. But then there are certain parts of his work where you're reading it, you're like, okay, These guys got an even better grasp of certain aspects of the human psyche. And the. I think the, the reason, the way I got into Reich was hearing about Listen, Little man, because it was an anti authoritarian type book. So when you're around libertarian type people in the mid-2000s conspiracy culture, Reich would come up as one of those suppressed guys. They're like, oh, you know, they suppress Tesla, right?

[Jay Dyer]

They're trying to keep you out of. They don't want you to know this, bro.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, they don't want you to read Reich. So, okay, read Reich, right? You get his book. And listen, Little Man's interesting. It's a lot of cartoons and you could look up Reich's cartoons there and there's. There's something weird there. He took it very sexual and ended up creating like his whole thing was about, like Orgone and you release the Oregon.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, I know about that part because when I was. When I started doing podcasts back in 2011, somebody mailed me some. Some Oregon. I was like, it's just like it's a piece of plastic with trash in it. I'm like, what?

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, no, you were. You. The layer is the plastic and the. Yeah, yeah. So I was like that. I was into that whole world in like 2007, 2008 and then. So it was really funny. But Reich was. Reich was a weird guy. I'm not. I'm not an expert on Reich or anything. I've just read a couple of his books and his bio is strange, though. He was. He was one of those kind of iconoclast 20th century weirdos who. He did experiments on weather modification, and it seemed like they were highly successful. And there was. There seems like there was something there to some of the things that he was doing. And then there was also this aspect of him just, you know, being a total boomer coomer, trying to get his, you know, build a harem of young girls, which just happens to be that all these guys. There's, there's, there's just. There's something about America especially. It's like an American tradition.

[Jay Dyer]

Somebody was even making that joke, like creating your own sex cult in American tradition. Like, did you see the. The comments of Deepak Chopra to. To Jeff Stein McEfrey?

[Tristana Zimself]

Yes. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And Chopra ties in with all that. Esalen Institute.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh, he's formative. He's formative at Esalen. Yeah.

[Tristana Zimself]

Oh, he's big man. I remember I worked at a hotel and the Chopra center was near the hotel That I worked at in high school in Carlsbad. And the Chopra people were always really snooty, obnoxious. Like, rich ladies who are, you know, early 2000s yoga pants weren't everywhere, but they were already. These were the, you know, the. The yoga pants MILF ladies who were always very, you know, oddly breathy and then talk. I'm gonna go to the Chopra center.

[Jay Dyer]

Exactly.

[Tristana Zimself]

None of them tipped. None of them tipped at all. They were all completely cruel to anybody helping them. They don't look anybody in the eyes. They were worse than, like. Like, dude, the Hell's Angels guys come through, and they're tipping you 100 bucks for parking their car. They're like, hey, man, he gives me some weed or something here. It's like. But no, these. These chicks. The. The Chopra center chicks come through, and they're. They're just like, oh, how are you? Okay. Bring their bags to the room and do anything.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah. Let's read a couple super chats here because we got a few sort of piled up, but welcome to the new members. Guys have been streaming for about seven or eight hours, so my voice is starting to go out, but we're gonna get through these. And I'm having a lot of fun talking to Tristan. This is. This is great. But welcome to the new members. Bobby C. Turn up Tristan. That was a long time ago. Yeah. Turn the mic up. BM says for $5. Bowel movement. Trent Horn demolished you, but now I'm going to convert to Rome and become a techno furry clown. Epstein mass proponent. That will show you hashtag tradition. Yeah, I just got owned. We just got owned. Gravios, $20. A lot of synchronicity connects to California, for example, what got us involved in World War II? I mean, I'm assuming you're talking about Pearl Harbor. Gravios, $10. The idea that Satan destroys things that are beautiful. And then I would think that makes sense that his minions would take over with the most beautiful states to violate it. That's an interesting point. Yeah. Maybe California becomes satanic because it's. It's beautiful and they need to, like.

[Tristana Zimself]

I just realized I'm totally. Look at me frame mogging jay on the YouTube screen here. You're getting so frame mog, dude, I could just, like, poke you. You just, like, sit here and.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, I just did that to not get my cortisol spiked and to let you kind of have a little bit of aura maxing tonight so that you get your aura fix for the week that way. I just.

[Tristana Zimself]

I'm Siphoning your cortisol. I'm like, I've tapped into your pineal gland with my. With my hyper reptilian Fritz Springmeyer bloodlines of the Illuminati. I've just. I'm tapped into your pineal, and I'm just. I'm just snorting it. Just inhaling your cortisol right now while you're like a little tiny mogul. It's getting completely mocked.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, speaking of, like, speaking of gurus, just one of the touch butts. Like, one of the first jokes that you and I made back when we did that stream watching Wawa country, and we were joking about Osho, right? And the booger whistle. And like, the gurus just want to.

[Tristana Zimself]

Get still a joke. Like, 10 years later, there's a song now. The lore is deep, the Lord is deep.

[Jay Dyer]

And, you know, we figured out a long time ago, guru is just about getting laid, dude. That's it. Bobby C Says. Bobby C. Says you guys are boomer maxing. There we go. BC says $5. Thank you so much. Cold quest. $5. Small world. Tristan introduced my wife's godparent to orthodoxy. Well, at least it's not your wife's boyfriend that he introduced to orthodoxy.

[Tristana Zimself]

Wow. What. Who's your wife? What's her Social Security number and her banking information.

[Jay Dyer]

And send one bitcoin as well to me. Interest in.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, take those. Those two.

[Jay Dyer]

Take this, Douglas.

[Tristana Zimself]

Amazing. Glory to God. What was the connection? That holds up. What was it? I introduced his wife orthodoxy. TR.

[Jay Dyer]

Introduce my wife's godparent to orthodoxy.

[Tristana Zimself]

Okay, that's cool. I wonder if I know them or if it was just Internet introduced.

[Jay Dyer]

Douglas says, here's a super chat. Thank you, Radio Radioactive. Radioactive. Thank you for that. Damani.

[Tristana Zimself]

$5.

[Jay Dyer]

What's up, dog? Dank, bud. $10. What's up, dude? Grab dank. What's up?

[Tristana Zimself]

Everything was dank in, like, 2003. Oh, did you get. Oh, you're gonna go get a burrito. It's gonna be so dank, dude. We're gonna get a burrito for the Lolas. You get beans, rice. Is it dankies? Oh, the danky dankles, bro. Like, it's all sticky and danky. Dank. Dank, dude. Hey, this kid I grew up with.

[Podcast Host]

I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Podcast Host]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Podcast Host]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently. It said 20 billion. 20 million is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north. Probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Tristana Zimself]

Awesome.

[Podcast Host]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan, what would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open or call center is always waiting to take your call. 247, 365.

[Tristana Zimself]

Wow.

[Podcast Host]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's large injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.

[Tristana Zimself]

His name was Poopies. His name was. His name was Poopies. And he actually, I. I talked about this with Weck. He ended up. He's on the news Jackass movie and, and Stevo and all those guys just, just ruin his life and got him bit by a shark. And he would talk this dude Poopy still. He talks like this dude. Oh, I remember when it was like.

[Jay Dyer]

So he's like Steve O.

[Tristana Zimself]

You're saying he worships those people. He worshiped those guys and Stevo.

[Jay Dyer]

But it sounds like you got you and Weck both the exact same impression of Steve.

[Tristana Zimself]

Oh, this is Steve O. And this is doing gay stuff in public. Not ironically, but it's like super funny. Dude, we're gonna do. We're all just gonna touch butts. It's not even a joke. We're just touching each other's weeds, bro. You.

[Jay Dyer]

And we did the exact same perfect impression of that dude.

[Tristana Zimself]

It hurt you. Will you make your throat bleed? This is Steve O. And this is doing MK Ultra on babies and selling on to Jeffrey Epstein. Dude, I sent. Dude, like I. I had this guy, this kid Poopies that I grew up around. He was so funny. It was the butt of every. He was just always picked on and stuff. And then he. The Jackass guys took Poopies under their wing and turned him into their young new jackass crew member and then freaking threw him in the sh. Into a. They made him. They made him do the Fonz thing. Remember when the Fonz jumps on skis over sharks and shark infested waters? Dude, they got Poopies To. They're just like, this is the kid.

[Jay Dyer]

And you knew. You knew this dude. You said you grew up with this dude.

[Tristana Zimself]

I grew up with this guy. I remember it was in, like, ninth or. I was in tenth grade, and. And I was at tenth grade, and we. I, like, went to this kid's house, and. And we smoked pot. And I got way too. I was.

[Jay Dyer]

So why is he called Poopies? First of all, I was like, I'm.

[Tristana Zimself]

Never smoking pot again. And poop uses. I was so paranoid. I'm like, I had to call my dad to pick me up because it was like the end of the day, and I'm like, oh, my dad's gonna know. Hi. And I was, you know, it's high school stuff. I got really paranoid, and we smoked a bunch of pot at this kid's house. I'm like, this is so weird. I don't. That was just really high. And Poopies, like, comes up. Hey, hey, dude. You. You say you're not gonna smoke anymore? You want to give me the rest of your weed?

[Jay Dyer]

He was ready to capitalize on the situation.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah. Yeah. Poopies was there. Poopies was a shark in the water. Poopies got his name because he. His friends used to tell him what to do. His name was Sean. Sean McInerney. He's actually a very nice guy. Like, I. I always like Sean, and I used to call him Sean. I don't even think. I don't think I called him Poopies because I knew he didn't like being called Poopies, but everyone called him Poopies, and they'd introduce him to girls, and they're like, you know, oh, this is Poopies. And he's like, oh, what's on, dude? Now he gets the chicks. Like. Like. And he. Was he in high school or middle school before I'd known him? He. His friends dared him to take a dump in the middle of the road. And then the neighbors saw it and called the cops. It was. They were doing. Everyone was doing Jackass. And then in the 90, from 2000 until, like, 2004 or 5, this was the thing among our generation was we. We. Everybody was into skate culture and surf culture, and those videos were what spawn Jackass. They were like little segments of those videos where they're due. You know, they'd be doing pranks, and it was all Southern California hijink stuff.

[Jay Dyer]

You know, it's the stuff that we all love that stuff Kyle and Beck are making fun of in their SoCal skits right?

[Tristana Zimself]

That was. That was my childhood, man, inside SoCal. And everyone talked like that. Oh, just like. Oh, like I was just feeling really down or whatever because, like, you know, even my girl.

[Jay Dyer]

Dude, that's super sick, dude. Like, I, like, I heard your dad was like, throwing it, like, gonna throw a party or whatever that's like at.

[Tristana Zimself]

This low key with this low key kickback right now. And it's like, it's about to, like, level up and become like a legit party. That was it, man. We were kickbacks and. But yeah, Poopies took a dump in the road as a prank, and his friends almost got him arrested and the cops came and because the neighbors called the cops and then everyone called him Poopies from them. But then other people would make up stories and like, it's because he pooped in his wetsu in time or something, like when he was surfing.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, the first thing that comes up is Stevo's podcast with Poopy. So they just re. I guess it was a couple years ago, but I. Yeah, I've never. I've never seen this dude. Well, the first thing that comes up is the shark bite and then this podcast. Yeah, yeah.

[Tristana Zimself]

Oh, yeah, I forgot that I didn't get to that story so. Well, it turns out, I mean, I haven't talked to Poopy since maybe the 2009 or so. I haven't been to Carlsbad in a while. Very. It was a super nice guy. Gotta say that Poopies was hilarious and heart of gold, but just the kid that your friends are always goading into doing the stupidest stuff that you shouldn't do. Poopies will do it. It was. That was like a saying. Poopies.

[Jay Dyer]

There's always a guy like that in your group of friends that like, the guy that will do anything.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, yeah, he was. He was the guy who would do anything to impress his buddies. He wanted acceptance, you know, it was like. It's a sad thing. These guys, they just want to be cool. They want their friends to think they're cool. He was everyone's kind of little brother figure who you make do the things that pop in your mind that shouldn't pop in your mind and the things that the Jackass guys made pop into your mind. And. And so he literally. He was the guy that wanted to be like that. And then he ends up becoming friends with Steve O. Somehowers trying out for Jackass and getting on Jackass later. That's crazy, dude. It's crazy. And it was just funny to See, I haven't seen the movie, but I just saw the aftermath and him talking about he got this injury to his hand. He got bit by sharks, dude. They made him jump. They made him jump on skis.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, I'm looking at the clip here. I'd never seen this. Yeah, and he's like, he worshiped Stevo.

[Tristana Zimself]

He loved Stevo so much. And, and I guess Steve O. I, I can't stand Steve O. I think Steve was like a total scumbag. Man, that guy annoys me so much. He always was terrible. I remember his videos when he was doing ketamine and cocaine and stuff and 2007 or 8, like the Stevo videos, he was. That guy was completely demonic. And I'm trying not to get too serious about it now, but yeah, so he, they made him do the Fonz bit where he. Remember Fonz jumps on skis over like a shark or whatever, and they put Chum in the water and they were filming for the Discovery Channel and they put Chum in the water and they're. Oh, yeah, poopies do it. And these guys, he, he grew up worshiping these guys, right? And he's like, yeah, I'll be, I'll. I'll jump the freaking. I'll jump the shark infested water thing.

[Jay Dyer]

That's crazy.

[Tristana Zimself]

And he got, he got his hand bit and he almost lost his hand. He could have died. And then I, I don't. I think he's better now. I haven't seen his, his stuff online in a while, but yeah, man, he was. Poopies was. He was a funny guy in high school.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, the last.

[Tristana Zimself]

It was funnier in high school. It's more sad when you see him just, you know, getting his hand bit off. Because Stevo, his guy.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, yeah, it seems like the, the, the eth. And I get the whole like when you're young, doing pranks and that kind of stuff, but it seems like the, the psyop side of Jackass type stuff is like perpetual childishness, like not maturing.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, yeah. And I think that's the, that's the temptation of any culture. But I think they really pushed. I mean, now we're coming full circle back to early 2000s culture creation. California, you know, even though, you know, bam. And those guys lived out in Pennsylvania, the skate culture, in that culture, the center of it was always California. And that's where all these guys would go, you know, I mean, MTV culture at that time was based out of California and in LA and, and all that but the. Was I gonna say, oh, yeah, that was. That is. Yes, it was. It was organic and at the same time, it was. It was something that was, you know, it's low production value. Jackass blew up. You know, that was the biggest show in the world at the time. And this is at the same time Britney Spears and all this other stuff, and of course Abercrombie and Fitch, the Limited, all these corporations that. That Epstein had his hands on through Wexner, were pushing the aesthetics and the clothing and the.

[Jay Dyer]

The whole like spirit behind it. Like all of this kind of stuff is all part.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah. And that's what I'm trying to describe and get at the spirit behind it is kind of for men, for young guys, it was self destruct. It was. The cool thing to do is to act like you're 14 years old for your whole life, right. And destroy your body, destroy your mind and become, you know, just a party guy. And you're always partying and having a laugh and nothing's serious. It's. It's nihilism. It's very nihilistic. And the aesthetic of it was even the skull and crossbones logo and all that stuff, it was heavy metal and this was the edgy part of the culture, but really became the mainstream, you know, I mean, with Tony Hawk's pro skater, it kind of brought the skate. The skateboard stuff got really big and they tried to put in the, you know, the X Games got all big. And I don't think Jackass was. I think Tremaine is sketchy. I think the guys that really blew it up were sketchy. But Bam and those guys, they were just. They were young skate rats. They were. They were the guys that were just at the skate park. And I don't. I think Bam was pretty sober until he got famous. But a lot of those guys, they ended up crashing and burning, becoming total degenerate drug addicts. And it's. I mean, ste. Sober now. He's more annoying now that he's sober.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, we need to get whack on here. It'd be fun to get me, you and whack and then weck. Because he's good buddies with Bam. We could try to get Bam to come on a chat. He might do that, but that would be a lot. Cool. That'd be a really interesting conversation because he seems a little more level headed now that he's kind of, you know.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

Sober and whatnot. But. So people in the chat are saying, oh, punked was part. Punked is a Ripoff. And I know this because we've had long talks with Jamie Kennedy about this. Like, like Jamie, you know, was doing. Jamie Kennedy experiment, right? And then after two, three successful seasons of that, suddenly you get Ashton Kutcher comes out with the exact same show, but it's just with celebrities only half as funny as the stuff that, you know. I mean, if you watch Jimmy Kinney experiment stuff today, it's still super funny, a lot of it, but. But it is in that era though of like, you know, pranks overlapping with reality type TV shows. And I never really watched Jackass because like you said, it was, it was definitely in the skate culture adjacent type of stuff. And sure, I was in the two.

[Tristana Zimself]

High school.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, I was already college, post college when people were really into Jackass.

[Tristana Zimself]

But it came out when I was in eighth or seventh grade and we were immediately. We had already played with shopping carts. That was already kind of a thing. And, and people had seen the CKY videos. So there was there in Southern California. It was already a part of the culture. And then when it came out, it blew up. We were just like, look at this. This is our culture. Like that we're being represented now. Yeah, we're just like, we are the cool people now. And. And yeah, it was all downhill from there. Speaking of that, that whole culture got wrecked by it.

[Jay Dyer]

Speaking of that funny banter, I know you and I both like Kyle Mooney quite a bit. His last movie. I thought it was pretty funny. 2000, 2001, the Y2K one.

[Tristana Zimself]

I gotta see it.

[Jay Dyer]

It's funny. Like the funniest part is when Kyle shows up as this kind of stoner dude, but he's a, he's a stoner dude from the year 2000, so he only uses the 2000, like the 1999, 2000 era stoner stuff. Like dank.

[Tristana Zimself]

What is he, what is he saying?

[Jay Dyer]

Everything like dank weed, bro. Like all of that stuff. Dude, that is pimped out, bro.

[Tristana Zimself]

It's like, that's pretty tight, dude. Oh, that's pretty tight.

[Jay Dyer]

All of it.

[Tristana Zimself]

Oh, no, it was super tight. No, you should meet this guy. He's tight. No, he's tight, dude.

[Jay Dyer]

That's the terminology.

[Tristana Zimself]

He has the hook. He's got the hooks on all the danks, dude.

[Jay Dyer]

From like all of his lines in the movie are 90s stoner dude terminology. It's great.

[Tristana Zimself]

Fantastic. I gotta watch it. Okay.

[Jay Dyer]

It was funny. And then his other movies. Yeah, Kyle's great.

[Tristana Zimself]

It's. It's amazing that that stuff is so far back. Because even when they were blowing up on YouTube, what was it, 2010 or 11? And it was. You were still kind of close to that. And, man, I can't. I can't believe how old I am. It's like we're all man now, man. It's 20, 26 already. And this is 20 years ago that. That culture is kind of petering out. I can't believe it.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, his. I've liked his. His. Both of his movies so far.

[Tristana Zimself]

The.

[Jay Dyer]

The teddy bear dystopian one is really. Have you seen that one? That was great.

[Tristana Zimself]

I haven't seen. No, I haven't seen either.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh, man, they're both. They're both great.

[Tristana Zimself]

I didn't like what SNL did with them. They were. They. They took our favorite YouTube, like the best YouTube guys, and they just put them as.

[Podcast Host]

I've got Dan Morgan here on the podcast.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Say hi, Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Podcast Host]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Podcast Host]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion won. 20 billion is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north. Probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Jay Dyer]

Awesome.

[Podcast Host]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247 365.

[Tristana Zimself]

Wow.

[Podcast Host]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's large injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com an office near you.

[Tristana Zimself]

You know, filler, they react in, but I don't know, they couldn't have kept doing. They couldn't have continued to do YouTube, I guess.

[Jay Dyer]

But yeah, I mean, a lot. But a lot of this, a lot of the snl, you know, Kyle and back skits I think are pretty funny too.

[Tristana Zimself]

They.

[Jay Dyer]

They didn't. They probably got censored some, I guess. I don't know. Who knows? But I still think it's. I still think they're funny. But we got a couple more super chats Here we got.

[Tristana Zimself]

Super Chat, dude.

[Jay Dyer]

We got some dank tight, dude.

[Tristana Zimself]

These Super Chats.

[Jay Dyer]

They're pimped out, bro. These Super Chat.

[Tristana Zimself]

No, it's tight. That's tight, dude. Just go ahead, dog. It's all good, dog. Just tight.

[Jay Dyer]

They're pimped out, bro. Mav. $7 whack is the taste maker for the skate industry. Yes. He has actually appointed himself to that. But we actually, we actually all, I think, support that you. Whack has been killing it on Instagram with these real.

[Tristana Zimself]

That's amazing. I love Wex. Shout out to Whacking Ball. He's been on my channel once or twice. We had a fun. We had a fun stream together years ago back in the day. I wonder. I wonder if I could find. I have no way to get a hold of Poopies because his social media is probably, you know, you're not. I don't know. I don't. I don't expect to be able to get a hold of Poopies. It'd be so funny to get poopies on. I would love that. That would be. I just want to talk to Poopies. Just regardless. Just because he was a funny guy. Guy.

[Jay Dyer]

But Wex Instagram reels have just been killing it, dude. They're popping off. I don't even understand how to make Instagram reels work right. I try everything I can, but, like, Whack is like, Whack is the master of that, dude. Like, he will do his own skit with him doing like 10 different things and like 10 different characters and he gets like a million views. And I'm like, how do you do this?

[Tristana Zimself]

Well, he's a very. He's a really. Weck Is Weck blew up years ago, man. I mean, Wex taking breaks, but he was big in mid 2000s, 2013, 14, I think he got pretty big. And he's. He's maintained his clout. So he's got. He's got a very specific thing that he's doing and he's surgical with it, bro.

[Jay Dyer]

Wax is hella tight, dude. It's hella tight.

[Tristana Zimself]

No, it's like tight or whatever. But like, I'm not trying to hate. I. I'm gonna hate. But like, you know, he's kind of like, you know, but I could do it.

[Jay Dyer]

Is he a poser, though? Is he like a poser?

[Tristana Zimself]

Is it like straight can skate? His is legitimately a very talented skateboarder. And he's put in. I mean, that guy's done stuff that is very High level. And he's really. We Wex, you know, not to. Not to just glaze on Weck. They'll tell him I said this, but Weck is freaking amazing skateboarder. He should have been professional. And that's where he really. He realized, oh, it's all just about how marketable you are. What cool if you'll wear the cool clothes or if you're gonna like show your butt. You know, he. He realized that it's just about being friends with the right people, not even being the best skateboarder. And he, yeah, wax done a really good job. Manny Busters. That was back in the day, Manny Busters where he would. Yeah, he would take these clips of the video and be like, oh, your foot touched it doesn't count. And they would get mad. People get so mad at him and. But he, he made it so fun. And they. And then Vice did that show about him, which was great. Vice came and I remember that was a long time ago. Ten years ago, maybe.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, we've gotten to be really good friends with Weck and, And them. We love them quite a bit. We hang out all the time with them.

[Tristana Zimself]

He means Whack in his altars and.

[Jay Dyer]

His alternative personalities that I control. Correct.

[Tristana Zimself]

I mean, Jay's got like a whole harem of people out there. Like, Whack is Jay's wax handler. Jay is Jamie Kennedy's handler. Jay even named his mind controlled MK wife. Length was what he calls her behind the scenes. MK Wife Jamie. He named her after Jamie Kennedy because Jamie Kennedy was such a good mind control slave to, To. To Jay here.

[Jay Dyer]

So I thought this was funny. So when, when I met Jamie Kennedy, when we're at his podcast at his apartment, I was like, dude, I'm. I'm. I'm totally like, you're. I'm totally like bugging, bro, because your stuff is hella tight. So I got him to give to autograph and he. He wrote. If you can see what he wrote. It's so says to Jay and Jamie, these characters are my MK Ultra handlers. So it's got him as all of his different characters.

[Tristana Zimself]

I told you guys. And what's. What's really meta and crazy about it is Jay programmed all those altars by hand. Like Jay. Jay was there. He was there with the ers and the LSD and the, you know, the gray alien costumes, just zonking Jamie Kennedy out of his. Of his skull in 2001. Who was.

[Jay Dyer]

The first comedic wigger. I'm trying to figure out if that was Borat. Or was it actually B. Rad?

[Tristana Zimself]

No, it was. Yeah, it was B. Rad. Ali G might have been after. Ali G was different, though. It was not American. There's a very different thing. American wigger and British wigger. But actually.

[Jay Dyer]

Actually B. Red's Jewish.

[Tristana Zimself]

B Rad.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah.

[Tristana Zimself]

He a Jew boy.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah. So Jamie Kennedy's character is Brad Gluckman. He's Jewish. He's a Jewish. Yeah, so he's a Jewish white rapper. That's the. That's what makes it even funnier.

[Tristana Zimself]

I'm just thinking about. I'm still. I'm having flashbacks to mid 2, early 2000s slang and late 90s slang, California talk. We would always be like, oh, that's tight, dude. That's tight. Well, that's always like. You'd be on a sad. But that's why. But he's tight or whatever. But like, he, like, drew me on a sack one time. Like, I was getting, like, an eighth, and he gave me, like, it was, like, short. It was like the nugs were all dry or whatever, bro. I was like. He totally Jude me out, dude. So I don't. I'm not even surprised. It's not even that. I'm not trying to hate, but whatever.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay, so ali G is 2002. And let's see, when Malibu is, like, 99, probably 98. We. Jamie might be even vindicated here as the first legit. It's right around the same time, so.

[Tristana Zimself]

But they were so different. Jamie's was pretty original, and he did it. What was respectable about how he did was so fun because it was like mockumentary style. You know, it was. He. He would actually mess with people, and that was the fun aspect of it.

[Jay Dyer]

No, that's actually. You're right, because the character comes out of this. This. The show, doesn't it?

[Tristana Zimself]

So the show was. I'm not trying to. Not trying to hate on the movie. The movie was pretty funny, but the show was better. The skits were better because it was. It was so improv and it was so in the moment.

[Jay Dyer]

No, I know, but I'm saying the character B. Rad, if I recall, he was actually a character in the show because when Jamie was doing the experiments, sometimes he would be a white rapper. Right.

[Tristana Zimself]

That was the funniest character. B. Rad was the best character in the show. And then. And then he expanded into the film. But the show was. Was a better format for that type of writing that he was doing there. Because he would write. You could tell he would write the skits before he did them. And he would do them like it was. It was. They were written the joke. A lot of the jokes were written and they're brilliant. And then he would set up a scenarios where it would bring out organic reactions from people there.

[Podcast Host]

I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Say hi, Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Podcast Host]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Podcast Host]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion one. 20 billion is an insane number.

[Tristana Zimself]

Number.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah.

[Dan Morgan]

20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north. Probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Tristana Zimself]

Awesome.

[Podcast Host]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 24, 7, 365.

[Tristana Zimself]

Wow.

[Podcast Host]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.

[Tristana Zimself]

And that was at the time that was relatively new because it was, you know, it was lower, lower cost of production. I guess at that time in la there was a lot of money going around for the reality type stuff. But he, he did the best version of that type of thing. Thing. Jackass picked up on that too. Right. When Jackass brought on Brad Pitt, they like, they kidnapped Brad Pitt in the middle of LA in front of everybody. And that was huge because, you know, Brad Pitt was, you know, the ultimate celeb. Still is, I guess. And yeah. But yeah, Jackass had an aspect of that too, of messing with people. And some of, I mean, the Jackass stuff, some of it was a little cruel, but a lot of it was just about self.

[Jay Dyer]

Right.

[Tristana Zimself]

Abuse, self immolation.

[Jay Dyer]

Exactly. And then somebody has a good point too that B Rat or Borat Ali G is making fun of like British chav type culture.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

And then. And B Rad is making fun of like, you know, wiggers like Vanilla Ice. But Mav says for $7, whack is the taste. No, we did that Gravios, dude. He gifted 50 memberships, man. That's super hella tight, bro.

[Tristana Zimself]

How do. How do you even get a gifted.

[Jay Dyer]

Super hella tight, bro? That's straight up, dude.

[RealReal Advertiser]

That's.

[Tristana Zimself]

That's like pretty, pretty tight. You know, you used to do too, is every. There'd be certain people, they would always say, like, effing, but it would be like. It'd be like half mumbled. Oh, that's like. That's tight, dude. Oh, that's so sick, dude. Oh, sick. Oh, what, dude, that's sick. That'd be tight. Everything's. But it's really quick, dude. Sick, dude. Dang. Like, let me. How do I get one of those?

[Jay Dyer]

Membership is sham scam, shampoo, apartment simulator, $3. Something I recently saw about Orthodox church was despite the kissing the priest's hand and the icon veneration, there's no recorded spreading of outbreaks of diseases throughout the centuries. Yeah, this was. A lot of people were pointing that out during the coup ESOTER. Hollywood Archive. $5. Good to see Tristan on again. I'd like to clip the Wicker man analysis that you and Tristan did. Oh, yeah, that'd be great. Do it. I just posted a clip on Epstein predicted programming in the 2016 video game Hitman. Yes, I shared that. Appreciate that. That's hella tight. It's straight, dude. That's so pimp.

[Tristana Zimself]

Hell is NorCal, though. Hello was when I. I remember when I moved up to Northern California and hello. Just blew my mind that people would say that. That sounds so stupid. But we always would say everything was sick and dank and. But like, oh, hella, That's. That's a step. I can't go there, man.

[Jay Dyer]

You go.

[Tristana Zimself]

You guys say hello the way you. The way you pronounce your R's in the. In the Norcast.

[Jay Dyer]

Charlie Cork.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, you got that. You got that, Charlie Cork. You know, I got that. Get that, Charlie Cork. Purple Urkel, straight from the well. That's right. E40.

[Jay Dyer]

E40. That's like that E40 type of.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, yeah, that's the fizz movement. And that's another. That was a big influence, actually. That was a national influence influence because all the crunk stuff was aping the hyphen norcal stuff at the time.

[Jay Dyer]

I wonder what the British and European people are like, what are they thinking when they hear this, like, SoCal slang from, like the 90s.

[Tristana Zimself]

Oh, yes, that's tight, bro.

[Jay Dyer]

Watch, watch. We start a trend now of British people start speaking with 90s SoCal.

[Tristana Zimself]

Prince Charles will be returning to tradition of the early 2000s, of course.

[Jay Dyer]

Of course. That was hella tired.

[Tristana Zimself]

That was definitely. Excuse me. That's real sticky. Icky. It hit my throat so hard. Excuse me. It was tight, bro. Yes.

[Jay Dyer]

Is that Bay Area Tristan? Is that that Bay Area?

[Tristana Zimself]

That Bay Area slaying bringing that Bay Area slaying. Bay Area like an aircraft carrier. BM Duper, I'll take your MK Ultra slave on my Ferrier out on the bay.

[Jay Dyer]

MK Ultra slaves presently invited to my raves. All right, so we got BM Duper says for $5, here's a nightmare. Blunt Rotation, Sweet Candy Owens, Nick Fuentes, Clavicular Trent Horn and Bishop Tilde Swinton. And then the black. The blunt then goes to Trevor Tristana.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah. And then all my. All my MK Ultra SoCal alters come out and you're just like, what is going on here?

[Jay Dyer]

Okay, so a lot of fun catching back up. We got radioactive says for $5. Christ protect you, brothers. Appreciate that, dog. Richard Adams says for $10. Have you guys done any Philip K. Dick stuff? Tristan and I have done several movie streams. I don't recall if we did a pkd. We may have.

[Tristana Zimself]

I used to be kind of a. A Back then. I mean, I. I liked a lot of stuff. I don't remember it. He had great concepts, but didn't have an editor. So it really comes off his pros. Sometimes it's funky. But he had crazy ideas, and I loved his bio.

[Jay Dyer]

We need to really. We need to do that, too. We need to do Flannery o' Connor and we need to do some pkd.

[Tristana Zimself]

Pkd, That's Cal. That's California. That's. That is. He had his finger on the pulse of all the strangeness that I was kind of hinting at earlier. He was just. He knew that stuff. He was around those crazy people in the 60s and 70s, and he was properly paranoid and freaked out in the. In the funnest conspiracy culture kind of way. Very tragic character as well. But, yeah, PKD was interesting. Scanner Darkly was interesting. We did that film. Right? Let me talk about it.

[Jay Dyer]

Yes, that's it. Is what we did. Of course, that one of the top consultants on that film was none other than Alex Jones himself, who was.

[Tristana Zimself]

He was in it. And that's how I first heard of Alex.

[Jay Dyer]

And he consults on it. Yeah, exactly. I think a lot of people.

[Tristana Zimself]

The way I first heard of Alex was 2003 on Waking Life because we loved Waking.

[Jay Dyer]

Interesting. I did Waking Life too. Exactly.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah. We loved Weight. Was. We. We had Waking Life. This is so nostalgic. We had Waking Life and we had. What was the other movie that we all liked? Donnie Darko. When the Donnie Darko director's cut came out, me and all my friends. Yeah, a few of my friends, we just got obsessed with that film. So we. We loved. It was Waking Life, Donnie Darko and. And Modest Mouse. That was like the 2003 for us.

[Jay Dyer]

Was it. Was it Crunk? Tristan Cronk.

[Tristana Zimself]

No, we. Crunk was. Crunk was passed. I think at that point, Crunk might have been 2000, 2001.

[Jay Dyer]

I mean, it wasn't like, you know, it was immediately associated with Little John.

[Tristana Zimself]

So I was like, it's pretty tight.

[Jay Dyer]

That's like early 2000s. Yeah.

[Tristana Zimself]

Crunk in California. Crunk was cringe. It was always like, we don't say that. We don't do crunk. We would make fun of crunk. But then you still listen. Like, that was still played at eighth grade dances and stuff.

[Jay Dyer]

Getting crunk. Yeah. No, you're right. 2005 or 6, that's about the time of, you know, Little John. All right, guys, we're getting into.

[Tristana Zimself]

Oh, one thing. I'm like a complete boomer. This guy give when somebody gifts. Memberships. Never. I never turned memberships onto my channel. It's worth it, right? You should. Seems like something to do.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, it is. And then you make member content, obviously. So, you know, you got to have a pretty consistent stream of member stuff. So, you know. But I tend to. Yeah, I usually make like one or two streams a week, you know, for members.

[Tristana Zimself]

So News 40 News 40s from California says, what about Harmony Kin? Oh, yeah. That was always Kids was. We always love kids. It was. I have everyone that would ask, have you seen Kids? It's so. Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

It was the same in Tennessee, too. It was. The Kids was a big deal because it had that slacker Louisville, you know, slacker rock soundtrack with folk implosion and Daniel Johnston and all those weirdos on there. But.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, I'm not trying to hate on Harmony Korean either. I like. I mean, that movie Kids was intense, and the AIDS thing is. Was ridiculous. But. And. And it was. He didn't direct it. It seems like the director of that movie was a real weirdo to. To be around all those kids and have them using the. They were using. They're doing drugs. I mean, they were doing whippets. And those were real whippets. They look like they're smoking pot. It seemed like a lot.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, it was Rosario Dawson, right. And Chloe Savini that's where they got started. Right? That was their breakout.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah. Roles. And then the Casper, the best actor in the film. Those Casper.

[Jay Dyer]

Casper.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah.

[Tristana Zimself]

And Telly. Oh, Telly was disgusting. What a. That guy was. So that the kid, I guess, that played Telly couldn't go anywhere. People would try to assault him because they thought he was real. They're like, you're a piece of trash person. He's like, look, I was playing a character, you know, I was an actor. And it ruined his life, I guess he said, but Harmony Corinne made one of the best films of the mid 2000. Or like late. Late 2000s. Spring breakers.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, you and I did that. We did that. Which is. Yeah, yeah. Loosely based on Jody. High Roller, your boy.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, yeah. And Spring Breakers. I would say Spring breakers sums up. Encapsulates the weaponized pop culture of the 2000-2007. Eight, nine, maybe better than any of them other film. I'd say Spring breakers is a. Is a great horror film. It's a very interesting movie. It's hard to recommend because there's some nudity.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, I'm glad I watched it after, you know, because you and I. I'd never seen it when we did our analysis of it, you know, several years ago, but I. I actually enjoyed it more than I expected that I would have.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, I was surprised. I didn't. It wasn't what I thought it would be. I forget how I got to even see it. I think it was because it was Harmony Corinne. I'm like, oh, I guess. Guess. I guess I gotta watch it because it's. Maybe I heard it wasn't what it was marketed as. He did a weird guerrilla marketing thing where they tried to pretend as if it was what aesthetically, it looks like. But it uses those aesthetics of Spring Break, MTV Cribs, rapper culture, limited to. I mean, that's. That's the Jeffrey Epstein movie. And Jeffrey Epstein isn't Alien. Alien is, you know, the. I don't know what Alien is that character that James Franco plays. Crazy. But Epstein is kind of the. The fabric that type of that. An Epstein type person is the fabric that's like holding together the molecules of that world in that. And remember, it starts out they're watching YouTube fights. You know, they're watching.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Tristana Zimself]

They're in the dorm rooms and they're doing. There's like pot and drinking and the girls are singing pop songs. And also they're watching. What's the. The Bare Knuckle Fighter. He joined UFC Blanking the black guy. He was like the thing back then. Kimbo slice. They're watching Kimbo sliced fights with like back in the day with George Mosvidol.

[Jay Dyer]

And Kimbo like bomb fights. Street, street, street brawl.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, Backyard, backyard. Bare knuckle box.

[Jay Dyer]

Exactly.

[Tristana Zimself]

Fights. And that just something about that, the aesthetics of that violence and the virality and the. The Internet culture combined with like the bubble gum aesthetics. And they're wearing the like the pink colors and everything is neon lit. That movie is so haunting. And then they used. Remember the Britney Spears song? They use that. The Britney Spears song and they're dancing to it.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh, I forgot about it automatically.

[Tristana Zimself]

Weapons. There's this weird dream sequence where there. It's that. That really pretty Britney Spears song. What is that song? It's like.

[Podcast Host]

I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Podcast Host]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Podcast Host]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion one. 20 million is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north. Probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Tristana Zimself]

Awesome.

[Podcast Host]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open or call center is always waiting to take your call. 24, 7, 365.

[Tristana Zimself]

Wow.

[Podcast Host]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's large injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.

[Tristana Zimself]

It's like her prettiest song. And it's a great sequence though there. And these girls who are completely mind. They're just completely mind warped by the pop culture and they become these violent demons who are. Are bringing the like the white male to destruction. Ultimately an alien is this white guy who's a complete wigger is just like, why y' all acting suspicious like that? That movie. Oh man, I'm just babbling about nothing now. But yeah, I. That movie was Harmony Corinne's masterpiece. I would say. It's a crazy dude.

[Jay Dyer]

I'm gonna have to get on Limewire after this and download some of those songs from Britain.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, because all plus you can get it on. Because all you can get that for sure. He's like tight, dude. It'd be sick.

[Jay Dyer]

Dude, if I download that from Caza, I'll be hella tight right now. All right. I. I was actually there doing it on Napster, bro. I was like. I was Napstering.

[Tristana Zimself]

I remember Napstering the CKY videos back in the day. Back in 99 we would get the CKY video.

[Jay Dyer]

What is that?

[Tristana Zimself]

It was the. Before CKY was before Jackass. So CKY was Bam and CKY can't stand it for camp. Delete yourself. And it was basically hijinks videos with some skating and it was Bam and all those guys that ended up going to California under Jeff Tremaine and building Jackass. And then they brought in Steve on those guys. But yeah, it was back when it was kind of skate video culture still. And the CKYs were pretty intense. It was early Jackass, basically all the same stuff, shopping carts and, and that's. And then we would go to get the shopping carts and we, you know, hurt ourselves in those. It was very influential. Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

Dude, I'm. I'm so about to pimp out my MySpace right now.

[Tristana Zimself]

Pimp your ride. You're Pimp your. Hey, how do you.

[Jay Dyer]

I'm gonna pimp out my. They. They actually gave you that mod for your MySpace at one time. You could do the code like you. You put the code into your MySpace to pimp your MySpace.

[Tristana Zimself]

100%. I don't remember pimping MySpace. I remember you could put. You could egg somebody's MySpace or toilet paper it. Remember that?

[Jay Dyer]

Forget how that worked. Yes, I do remember that.

[Tristana Zimself]

My question though, I'm sorry, I'm. I'm a boomer. As a boomer, how do you do. How do you. When somebody gifts memberships. What is. How does that even work? So how do you claim a gift membership?

[Jay Dyer]

Just means you immediately. It's automatic. Like they have access to all the member stuff on, on my YouTube channel.

[Tristana Zimself]

Somebody gives 50 memberships.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah. So they gave $55 memberships to. To 50 people.

[Tristana Zimself]

But how do those people get the membership?

[Jay Dyer]

It's automatic. They could just click over and they're. They're already subscribed to my members content.

[Tristana Zimself]

It.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh, it's automatic.

[Tristana Zimself]

How come. How come I didn't get a free membership from his 50?

[Jay Dyer]

Nobody wanted you to have that. So you were actually discovered to not be. You were discovered tonight to Be neither pimped nor helight.

[Tristana Zimself]

All right, well, if somebody gives 1,331 memberships, I'm one of the persons that's watching the stream. So I will then get one.

[Jay Dyer]

Somebody gift Tristan a. A, a membership if you guys can. I have to be in the chat or something. I don't know.

[Tristana Zimself]

I have to unblock him probably.

[Jay Dyer]

Damn.

[Tristana Zimself]

Give me, give me. Member. Give. Look at all my. Look at all my. That was scene in. Remember that scene in Spring breakers where he's jumping. He's like, I got scar fakes on.

[Jay Dyer]

I have not watched that since you and I watched that in 2018, so there's a lot I don't remember.

[Tristana Zimself]

That's so funny. That scene is like, it's everything, dude. That scene is just. Is the 2000s encompass. He's jumping on the bed. He's like, look at all my. He's got all these guns and, like shoes and. And hats. I got dark tannin oil. I got. I got Scarface on repeat. I got Scarface on repeat. Look at my. That's the best. Give me. I type in the chat. Give me.

[Jay Dyer]

Gives me that. There you go.

[Tristana Zimself]

Gives me that. Gives me somebody. Anyways, no, we've been. I'll just jibber jabber with you forever because I had coffee before we started.

[Jay Dyer]

And dude, it's like my eighth hour streaming today. I'm like, my mind is mushed, bro.

[Tristana Zimself]

I. That's what I told you. I said we could do it another time.

[Jay Dyer]

Mine is no longer hella tight right now, bro.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, well, it'd be. It'd be like sick if we could like, do more or whatever one day. But I don't know, I'm kind of busy and stuff.

[Jay Dyer]

I'm like, like, let's do it. My mind is so totally not sick right now, so, like, I'm totally healthy right now, so. But it would be sick for us to do like another tight stream or whatever.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, I'd be like, really sick, dude. But yeah, I, I appreciate it. And you know, you being you are, you're. You're. You're a dear friend. You're a friend of the channel and a friend of the man behind the channel. You're truly. You're an actual good friend and I appreciate you.

[Jay Dyer]

Can we expect Tristana to make a reemergence? Will there be new Tristan's dreams? Should I. I mean, I'll do.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, As I was gonna say, I'll do stuff on my channel. It's going to be. There'll be a dedication Pace to Jay Dyer, who never gave up on the channel here. And I know, I know, I know. Everybody watching. Half your audience probably doesn't even remember the old streams that we to do have. Most of your audience probably just thinks I'm some.

[Jay Dyer]

You're some rando noob that just popped onto the scene. Like, who's this noob?

[Tristana Zimself]

N. Dude, I'm hella sick.

[Jay Dyer]

This guy is hella tight, bro.

[Tristana Zimself]

I'm super sick. Actually, no, we're not allowed to use Hel because that's.

[Jay Dyer]

I'm not from the. The cow area, so I can do my culture.

[Tristana Zimself]

Is not your costume, Jay. Dire.

[Jay Dyer]

I don't mean to appropriate your culture. Let's see, we got super chat. SuKo10 jaded. You see, the Vatican will host Muslim Hindu prayers in the basilica against trafficking. Oh my gosh. Even Lofton posted a short on it. No, that's crazy. I'm gonna have to cover that on the next. The next stream. That's wild. All right, so Gravios, by the way, another gifted 20 memberships. Awesome, man. Appreciate that. That's a. It's a lot of gifted money memberships here, I guess.

[Tristana Zimself]

And guess. Guess who still doesn't have a membership. Me. So we're gonna need another.

[Jay Dyer]

I guess he's trying to give it to you. I don't know. So.

[Tristana Zimself]

All right, well, I'm sorry, but that's not enough.

[Jay Dyer]

I think Tristan wants 20 memberships even though he only needs one.

[Tristana Zimself]

So I'm gonna make 20 alts. I'm gonna make as many alts as I have MK Ultra alters from growing up in Southern California and smoking turkey much pot as a young. As a young lad. But anyways, yeah. Hey guys, make sure to continue to support Jay's work with giving him abundant gift memberships. And he needs. He's got to get some. He has to buy dank nugs so that he can nostalgically try to relive my childhood and.

[Jay Dyer]

But yeah, all season DVDs of Jackass and start with episode one and just work right through every season of jackass. All the DVDs tonight.

[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah, you have to know every frame of every skin. But yeah, there'll be more stuff on my channel for sure. I'm gonna do cultural analysis and I. I'm gonna get on. I'll do some sub stacks stuff as well and I'll try to. Try to do something a little different than I used to. Just try to do it in a way where I enjoy it more and you know, get. Get some more writing and stuff and do some more lit analysis and we'll see, see where it goes. It'll be fun, though.

[Jay Dyer]

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[Tristana Zimself]

Yeah. Always fun. Always fun.

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