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Evangelical Questions About Orthodoxy & Occult Hollywood: Jay Dyer on Apollo the Original
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Mr. Jay Dyer, thank you for coming.
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Jay Dyer
Thank you, Apollo.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
I would love to touch two topics today on the show. The first one is, I know that you did a lot of videos about it and post, but the way I do podcast is I don't watch any podcast prior to meeting a guest. So I could get this natural reaction, although we're almost in Hollywood, but I'm not that kind of an actor. I don't want to act like, oh, wow, I'm surprised. Right?
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Jay Dyer
Yeah. Fake soy face. Thumbnail. Soy face.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Right, right, right, right. Clickbait. So what would you name would be the top three movies that have the most symbolisms?
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Jay Dyer
Oh, good question. Obviously symbolism is in a lot of films because most screenwriters, most. Most movie makers are heavy with, with the use of symbolism in some way because it's just. It's essential to a story. But off the top of my head, I would say most Kubrick films, Stanley Kubrick's films are very packed with symbolism. I've gotten to know his daughter Vivian quite a bit. We've talked quite a bit about his process of filmmaking and how he thought about things. Very detail oriented guy, very interested in putting all of that meaning messaging into his films. So I'd say number one would probably be cubic. In my first book, I covered David lynch quite a bit. He comes to mind his. He's very influenced by Tibetan Buddhism, by Zen Buddhism, by Transcendental Meditation. So a lot of those religious Themes are heavy in his TV shows and his movies. And then maybe somebody like Darren Aronofsky, who was. Is a. He's openly into Kabbalah. So he puts a lot of Jewish kabbalistic themes in his film. So just on top of my head, is he.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
I always thought that he's an atheist. I want to say atheist or agnostic.
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Jay Dyer
Well, I mean, you can be atheist, agnostic and be into Kabbalah, too. Because I think a lot of people who don't have religious views can still pull from these kinds of religious themes and archetypes. Like Robert Eggers that did the Witch, and he did Nosferatu or Ari Aster that did Hereditary, that did Midsommar. I mean, there's a lot of occult symbolism in those films.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Midsomer is super occult.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, absolutely.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
So let's say, for instance, let's take Stephanie Kubrick, right? So his symbolism is more drawn to Masonic symbolism or just something else.
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Jay Dyer
It's a great. That's another hard question because, you know, Kubrick was not, according to Vivian, religious, but he did pull from a lot of these images. And he. She thinks he had telekinetic kind of psychic abilities. And she gives a bunch of instances in his life where he operated this way. So he was. He was agnostic, but he had this sort of intuitive feeling and sense that he would pull from. And so I think that, again, even though the directors themselves might not be committed to any religious perspective, they might be influenced by Masonic symbolism, they might be influenced by occult symbolism. I mean, I think if you watch 2001 A Space Odyssey, the whole premise of that film, and that was also Arthur C. Clarke, who, you know, wrote that, but he was influenced by Aleister Crowley, the premier Satanist. So that's a whole message of man becoming God as apotheosis is the whole point of 2001. So, you know, maybe the occult aspects of 2001 are more so coming from Arthur C. Clarke than Kubrick. But, I mean, it's still there. Like, if you watch Eyes. Watch that, for example, Kubrick's very influenced by, I think, sex cults. Epstein type stuff is like. I mean, that's what Eyes Wide Shut is. Is like. Epstein before Epstein since 1990s. Yeah, 98. Yeah.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Yeah. It was released 98. So rumors have it that he did not finish the movie himself and it had a different ending, but when he died, they switched the ending. Do you think that's correct?
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Jay Dyer
This comes up all the time. I don't actually know what the story is on the. You know, omitted footage. I think people speculate that it was more. Had a lot of. More insight into the possibility of underage trafficking. And that's partly why some of that was removed. I know that Roger Avery, who's the famous, you know, co creator of Pulp Fiction, he was just on Joe Rogan twice this year and they had two conversations, one about that. And Avery believes that it was very revelatory in terms of underage people, and that's why they cut it. And then he went on Rogan again a few weeks ago and said, yeah, Hollywood really does, you know, propagandize and, and use revelation, the method or predictive programming for its messaging to the public. And that's. To me, that was funny because that's what all three of my books are about, is predictive programming and propaganda and film. So.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
So for the fourth, for the folks that are watching this right now, and they have no idea. They just love, love the Hollywood, right? And they have no idea what those movies are about initially. They do not recognize the symbols, the, the patterns. Give me 1, 2, 3 of examples of those movies where there is a. This, those patterns when there is predictive programming. So people would realize and like, wait a minute, maybe I should rewatch this or that movie.
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Jay Dyer
Great example of this in terms of propaganda, kind of prepping the public for future stuff is if you watch the James Bond series all the way from the, you know, late 50s into the 60s, you'll notice that Bond is originally fighting the Cold War. He's fighting Smersh, which is kind of a Soviet operation, and that becomes Specter. So Specter emerges as the villains out of, out of Smersh, which are now international terrorists. And, you know, in the 1960s, people didn't think about international terror as a significant global problem. So. But because Ian Fleming was in the circles of British intelligence, he worked for Naval intelligence as a. A black ops guy. And he did a lot of missions very similar to James Bond, which influenced those stories. They were able to utilize Bond. This is what I was kind of doing my grad work on. They were utilizing Bond in the Cold War as a form of propaganda. So one of the easiest examples is definitely the character of James Bond to kind of contrast, you know, fighting for queen and country. He's a, he's a nihilist. He's a, you know, sort of a Nietzsche and Ubermensch kind of character contrasted with Soviet tyranny and so forth. So. And that's. There's no good guys, bad guys there because it's kind of A false dialectic, in my view, because James Bond is just as much an atheist as Stalin or any of the Soviets are. So. But that's how it works in propaganda. Bond's a great example of that. But you also have this international terror organization that arises in fiction decades before, you know, the 90s when we first hear about the war on terror. So another movie like that is true Lies back in the 1990s, have Schwarzenegger fighting off Arab terrorists, which is way before, you know, the big, big nine event, shall we say. And so I think we're being prepped and prepared for the coming international war on terror. And that's interesting because it's. It's an excuse. I'm not saying there aren't terrorists, there are. But the war on terror becomes an excuse for why we need global governance. Because it's an international shady, unknown enemy. We're going to have to have an international authority to police this. Just like the two world wars required the League of Nations, United nations, and then now the war on terrorists. It requires this international coordination to fight this unknown enemy. But most of the time, a lot of these terrorist groups are funded by Western intelligence. So same way with the CIA in Hollywood. They control the dialectics, they control the propaganda, the messaging. And so a lot of the blockbusters, especially not every movie but a lot of blockbusters that come out, they specifically have the war propaganda messaging. And the messaging that the CIA, for example, wants, because that's Hollywood's function, is to propaganda.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Do you think that works? They approach the producer or director and they tell, this is what you have to include in your script. This is the scenes that you have to do in the movies, partly.
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Jay Dyer
So there was a book written by academics. I think his name was Donald. I think it was his. Donald Bain. But it's a book called Operation Hollywood. It was written by a bunch of scholars back in 2003, right after the 911 event. And they had done a study of how many times the Pentagon, the CIA, FBI even had redacted and changed scripts based on what they wanted there. So in other words, back then, before CGI was really prominent, if you wanted to use a battleship, if you wanted to shoot something on a naval base, you would need to get approval. And then the Navy would say, well, we want you to kind of alter the script, put us in a good light, that kind of stuff. So that's a little more innocuous. But it actually does get to the point where by the time of Ben Affleck, you know, working with people from The CA to actually make movies like Argo Zero Dark Thirty with Jessica Chastain, that was made fully in consultation with the CIA. So eventually the CIA just openly starts making movies with the top directors. But this is not new. It's actually happened for decades. It's been more kind of on the down low, but nowadays they do it openly. In fact, there's just. There's open liaison offices like Chase, Brandon, Milt Bearden. These are famous people who run the. Ran the offices to consult with Hollywood on how to portray the, the, the agencies in various films. Anyway, so, I mean, that's all kind of well known now, but it's like the weird part is when I wrote my first book, 2016, about this topic, most people didn't know it back then, and so it was seen as like this crazy temple hat thing if you talked about it. But now it's like super well known. It's like, yeah, of course they were making more propaganda movies out of Hollywood all the way back to the 1920s.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Back then.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, yeah. So you can go back to Hell's Angels, the Howard Hughes movie that was a war propaganda film. If you go back to the 1940s, late 30s and 1940s. I didn't even realize this until the last few years, but my wife and I were watching a lot of older movies because they're less degenerate. So many movies today are super degenerate. So we're watching a lot of older movies. And even in the late 30s and 40s, you could tell that the War Office, the OSS, they were actually working to craft and create a lot of these screenplays to make sure that America got involved in World War II, basically. So they want to propagandize and make sure that America was on the side of the. The Allies or became, you know, in with the British to fight World War II. And then in my new book, my third book, actually went into figuring out who some of those writers were. There was a British intelligence woman who wrote a bunch of films in the 1930s and 40s with the Alexander. Alexander Korda circle. And their whole role was to make sure that America entered the war. So that's why you see, for example, so many Joan Crawford, Humphrey Bogart, John Wayne, Jimmy Stewart. A lot of those films at that period were geared towards making sure that Americans entered the war effort. Hitchcock too. Hitchcock actually made a lot of propaganda films. So some of the biggest directors.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Horror movies.
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Jay Dyer
Well, before he became a horror director, he filmed propaganda movies for the British Ministry of Information.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Okay, okay. So let's take Top Gun. The first part was 89. I want to say 88 or 89 or something.
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Jay Dyer
I think it's 87. I lived in California when it came out, and maybe 86. But that helped influence my dad to become. He went into the Navy. Because of that movie.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Because of that movie, yeah.
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Jay Dyer
Partly.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Okay. Top gun. The Maverick. 2022, right?
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Jay Dyer
Oh, yeah.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
They did not show us the enemy. Why do you think that? So.
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Jay Dyer
So it's a little more politicized now if they were to pick an enemy because,
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Red Dawn.
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Jay Dyer
Red Dawn. There was a remake of Red dawn. And they were originally going to have China and North Korea. And then there was such a huge backlash because China has. They don't run Hollywood, but they have a significant ownership of, I think, several, two or three of the studios. They basically shut that down. So they basically made it this unknown sort of just black. Like they just. The bad guys just wear black. So that was. That was one example of that. And my assumption would be it's the same situation with, with Top Gun. It would be too politicized if they had, you know, some identifiable country. So too much PC and there's. There's too much, you know, money at stake in Hollywood.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
What about sci fi movies? Do they do the prep with the sci fi movies as well? The Matrix, let's say?
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Jay Dyer
Oh, absolutely. I mean, before probably more propaganda exists in those kinds of films because, you know, sci fi has really taken over, especially with comic books. The last 20 years, the biggest blockbusters have been Marvel DC type movies, which are just rife with propaganda. So how come?
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
What do they propagandize kids? To do what?
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Jay Dyer
Well, to believe all kinds of things. I mean, first of all, superheroes were some of the first pop culture outlets to introduce gay stuff.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
What gay stuff? There are gay characters?
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Jay Dyer
Yeah. Superman's gay, probably, but no, I mean, before it was in the 90s. The first gay character introduced was north star in the 1990s, I think through Marvel. But being gay, I don't know, being faking, that's a super pop. I mean, and maybe in the Marvel universe, anything like that. But I mean, I don't like comic book movies, but I. One of my best friends who just passed away last year, he was a comic book artist. Like he drew. He drew comic books professionally, some of the big characters, but. And so I would keep up with some of this through him and he was like. He was really depressed because they started doing all the DEI and the woke stuff in game comic books. But they've been doing it actually they introduced it in the 1990s before a lot of other outlets did. So. But I mean, with. With Marvel you have. I mean, the origins of some of the big characters are even prop. I mean, Superman itself is kind of a propaganda character. Right. I think he comes out like after World War I. So the idea. It's an American. That's propaganda.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Yeah, 1932 on the same.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah. So he's like American as propaganda. Batman. I don't. I'm not sure about the propaganda origins of Batman, but I think when you get up into like the blockbuster films, I mean, they're rife with propaganda. I mean, Batman was showing us, you know, for example, in the Christopher Nolan trilogy. I put that in my third book, the one that just came out. So I did a deep dive analysis of Nolan and his. He's very influenced by Carl Young. You know, the Batman trilogy had, for example, its villain based on Crowley, Ra's Al Ghul, the character that Liam Neeson played. And then you have this sort of. There's a lot of the surveillance, total information technology stuff going on. And the one with Morgan Freeman, I think that's the second one. And then. Yeah, yeah, Dark Knight. And then in the third one, it's essentially a communist revolution where Bane. I mean, they even have the imagery that's presented like Robespierre when he's sitting up there judging everybody from the French Revolution. They have Killian Murphy, who's the scarecrow character. That's all based on, like, paintings of Robespierre from French Revolution. So they have a quote, I think from. I want to say Charles Dickens about the French Revolution when on somebody's tomb at the end of the film. I haven't looked at this in many years. But anyway, long story short, I mean, I'm not saying that Christopher Nolan is a communist, but I'm saying that those types of films kind of prep people for lockdowns. If you remember in Batman, like the whole all New York gets locked down, everybody's trapped in. In Long island or whatever. Yeah. Gotham, which is New York in the, you know, symbolism. But. Yeah, but I mean, more. Maybe more so relevant than. Okay, but then would be the Avengers. So like in the Avengers, you've got basically world government. They work for NATO. And explicitly they say, like, this is NATO references and calls upon the Avengers when they need these, you know, super operations done. So they're more like a. Like an, like an intelligence, like the Secret Team. If you've heard of Fletcher Prouty, you wrote a book called Secret Team, and it's about the CIA sort of black ops division. That's kind of what the Avengers is. Is this sort of super international NATO force. And they go ahead.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Do you recall the. The last. The. The third part of the Avengers Infinity War with the Thanos populates. But there is a motivation of him of his. He says, I saw what happens when you overpopulate what happens to a planet. So this is propaganda to many of us.
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Jay Dyer
And after that came out, there was. Exactly. I'm glad you said that. After that came out, there were people on Reddit saying that. What's wrong with. Why is Thanos a bad guy?
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Right.
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Jay Dyer
That's what we're taught. And we're taught in our universities that there's too many people we got to kill everybody. So why is. Why is Thanos a villain? Exactly. So, I mean. Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned that, because that's an even bigger point than the NATO stuff. But. But the reason I mentioned the NATO thing was just to say that when they say hail hydra. Hydra, it's essentially like hail Bilderberg. Right. It's like the Bilderberg Group. It's the same thing. Hilderberg is kind of above NATO in terms of Western power structure. So it's in the mice. I have a whole analysis of that. Good.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Yeah. I want to say that's Captain America or something.
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Jay Dyer
It was. That's right. Maybe that's Winter Soldier two or Winter Soldiers Part two.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Okay, so let's Take Nolan doing the Batman trilogy. Do you think he's doing those symbolisms knowingly or his influence in a spiritual way?
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Jay Dyer
Great question. A lot of the writing is his brother Jonathan, and I know that Jonathan is explicitly very influenced by Carl Jung. Carl Jung was a gnostic. And so all of Carl Jung's archetypal analysis, his. All of his psychoanalysis stuff is based on a form of Gnosticism. So I would say that in that case he's fully cognizant of at least Carl Jung's archetypal structures and system. Whether Christopher Nolan himself is that deep into it, I don't know. But I don't. I just typically don't think that you rise that far in the establishment without some degree of willingness to work along with the system. So you're not, you're not going to make it to that level, just like if you saw the Epstein files. Like, you're not going to make it to that level of international operator unless there's probably some, some blackmailer compromise. Now, I'm not saying Christopher Nolan has blackmailed or compromised. I don't know that. I'm just saying that even if you're not sexually compromised or blackmailed, like, you're going to be expected to go along with what the western power structure wants and you just won't get money, you won't get funded, that kind of stuff if you don't go along with the propaganda.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
So you, you mentioned a couple of minutes ago, you mentioned that you rewatched a few old movies.
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Jay Dyer
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
noticed that, let's say in the 40s, 50s, 60s, even 70s, maybe even in the 80s, the bad guys were clearly the bad guys. Now it's all washed, right? There is no black and white. There's almost the gray area. How come they can almost. They can. They can show you, and they do show you the motivation of a bad guy. And it seems like you're watching movies. Like, maybe he is right. Maybe he is doing the right thing. Why do you think that is right now?
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Jay Dyer
Great question. Again, in the 1940s and 50s, they started experimenting with movies out of the norm where you would have the villain be the protagonist. So, for example, White Heat with James Cagney, the gangster guy who just goes crazy. He's the absolutely psychotic, insane gangster. But it's one of the first movies where the villain is somebody that you're rooting for. So they actually have you rooting for the villain to get away until, you know, not get caught. That was. And that was a landmark type of film in Hollywood. Another one very similar to that was Sunset Boulevard, where the. The villain almost who. The Norma Desmond, the woman actress, she goes crazy and she almost kind of triumphs at the end, even though she kind of dies and goes nuts, but she ends up killing the screen screenwriter that's sort of exposing her. So again, you're rooting for the villain there. And those films did well because they were kind of out of pocket and they were out of out of the norm. And then gangster movies had a huge role in this. So by the time of the Godfather, you start really vibing with and understanding Don Corleone, Michael Corleone's perspective being immigrants trying to make their way. And then, you know, even though it's a tragedy, by the third one, because Michael ends up dying alone, no children or offspring or anything, it still, I think, set the standard for the rest of the mobster gangster genre, having you rooting for the organized crime figures to be successful. Same with goodfellas. Right, because you want to root for Ray Liotta's character there in Goodfellas. I think that. And then they saw that. You have to understand, too, that we didn't really go into this yet, but, like, there's social engineering studies that have been done about the effects of film. Like, they've even studied the bodily effects, the physiognomic effects of people watching, say, a slasher movie for the first time and what it does to the body, what it does to the cortisol spikes. So if you're movie maxing and you're Gooner Max. I'm joking. I don't know if you saw all the cloud stuff, the meme. Anyway, it's a meme joke. But if you. If you're psycho maxing, it's going to affect you in a physical, spiritual way. So I would say it creates trauma. It could. Exactly. It could.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
The world is so scary. I will not go. I will not even go out.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
There are killers, assassins everywhere. Everywhere, right?
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Jay Dyer
Yeah. Hollywood makes you think it's everywhere, right?
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Like the whole LA is like this. Right? So bad. Then you turn on the news. Killing over there, murder, homicide, robbery, all
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Jay Dyer
across Los Angeles and Hollywood are kind of the same. But there was a movie about this, by the way, recently that's pretty good a couple years ago called Nightcrawler with Jake Gyllenhaal.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Amazing movie.
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Jay Dyer
It's a really good movie. And it's kind of making that point that you just made. But yeah, to get back to that point about spiritually, I think, yeah, I think Christopher Nolan or these people could be spiritually influenced even if they don't realize it and not necessarily by a good spirit. It could be something nefarious, something demonic. And specifically, in the case of, like, you're saying, with like the glorification of the bad guys, I think they studied and understood. And I know this because I've read a lot of the white papers on it. Like, they've understood that you can affect the population and invert their morals and change their ideas through pop culture. In fact, there's a great clip that we've been playing all week on podcast where Netanyahu is being grilled by Congress in the early. It's like 2003. And he says, if you want to change a country, just beam 90210 in Melrose Place. And so that's soft power. That's what Hollywood is, is a form of soft power. So if you want to change Iran, and I'm not Muslim and pro Muslim at all, debated all the top Muslims. But he's saying that from cultural warfare perspective, he wanted to change the whole idea. Hollywood is the best tool for that, of soft power.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Okay. Because in my head, there is a difference. If you're doing it willingly, then you can be nefarious. But if you are creating movies, writing song lyrics and such, and unknowingly putting symbolism or some words or some topics in the movie or in the. In the song, that's a bit different to me. So if you ask, let's say if you ask a million People across the globe, what is the best TV show of all time? I want to say 90% of the people would say the Sopranos. Right. And I never understood this TV show because the guy is obviously a degenerate in all senses, but people were rooted for him. They did not want him to die. How come? That was 2000s, 1999. On 2000s, prior to that, Casino, Goodfellas, all those gangster movies, you watch the movie and you root for the bad guy. The bad guys are the cops, fucking policemen, right? How come. How is that freaking possible?
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Jay Dyer
I would say this is inversion. Right? Again, you're right. Not every director, writer or producer is maliciously, intentionally doing that. But there are people who study and do know that. Social engineers, other people at Tavistock Institute, like, they study that kind of stuff to know and learn how to change culture through the arts. They know that, for example, in the late 1800s, the Fabian socialism, Britain had figured out that they could put up in public, really degenerate art. I won't even say what it was to shock people and to brutalize people. And they saw that as a form of aesthetic terrorism. So through the, through the aesthetics, through the inversion of beauty, you can really hurt people over a long course of time by destroying their conceptions of the good, the true, the beautiful, etc. So, for example, brutalist architecture, that's another form of this to intended to sort of deracinate and, you know, humble the population. Yeah, architecture is a great way to see this kind of stuff.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
So this is the. One of the, let's say, apartment complexes that I grew up in. Right. Former ussr. And if you watch the whole buildings in my home country, Lithuania, Latvia, even Poland, Russia, obviously, Ukraine, Belarus, etc, from 40s, maybe 50s to the 80s, these were the buildings. So when you combine this architecture, when you combine with harsh winter, Autumn, Fall, Rain, etc, you. You go out every time to work, let's say 7am and you have no willingness just to freaking live. Because everything that you see is like this.
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Jay Dyer
It's ugly.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
It's ugly.
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Jay Dyer
The same goes with Bauhaus is another version of it. Same thing. Bauhaus architecture.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Bow House.
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Jay Dyer
B A U H, A U S. German term.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Absolutely.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah. It's intended and we see this everywhere. Half of LA is Bauhaus now.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Yes. So McDonald's. Right? McDonald's, let's say 9880s. Yeah, I remember McDonald's like this even in my home country. Right. Something colorful.
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Jay Dyer
Right.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
But nowadays McDonald's is just a gray building.
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Jay Dyer
It's a giant gray block that's it.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
And no kids, playground.
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Jay Dyer
It's functionalism. Oh, good point. It's. It's functional because in the Soviet or the communist ideology, like, if you had anything that was ornate, it has no purpose. So that's bourgeois. So to have aesthetics would be bourgeois. Right. So you got to have just pure functionalism, which is just ugly. So, I mean, look at that one. That's just a big black box right there on the bottom. Right underneath. Yeah, look at that.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
This is where you're supposed to go eat some food and have fun. There's no fun in you.
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Jay Dyer
No, it's dystopian. Right. It looks like something on a Blade Runner or something.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
But the same goes, I want to say, with the. Let's go American churches.
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Jay Dyer
Yes. They've been imbued with the same spirit. Yeah. I think architecture expresses the soul and the spirit of a people. And so if you can make the architecture ugly, it's supposed to then reflect back in a symbiotic relationship to make the soul ugly, to make the spirit of the people ugly. It's a form of aesthetic terrorism.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Okay, but what comes in first? Let's say OnlyFans was created because there were people, potential customers, or they created the only fans for the potential customers to. To appear. Supply or demand? What comes first?
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Jay Dyer
In the case of. Of itself, I'm not sure. I mean, I would imagine that the people that created that had seen other things. I watched. I did watch one video on the history of. Of that company, and they're sort of. No, I'm sorry. I was. I'm thinking of Tinder.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Okay.
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Jay Dyer
But I think what they did was they saw what Tinder did and what other sites like that did, and they just sort of tweak their model to be like social media, but to combine that with pron. So I would imagine it's just. It was just a marketing kind of idea. I don't know about which one came first or not.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Well, let's take. Let's take, for example, child trafficking. Supply or demand? What comes first? People. Businessmen, quote, unquote, realize that there is a demand on little children.
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Jay Dyer
Right.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
So maybe I should earn money. Or there is a supply and there. Then there are customers. Oh, I can buy this. I can do this, this and that.
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Jay Dyer
I would imagine that because we live in a fallen world, probably there's always been some sort of something like, I mean it probably just goes along with, with, with human trafficking and slavery go together. Right? So you know, in the ancient world, medieval world, you have slavery, one of the oldest, you know, markets of mankind. And I would imagine that part and parcel with slavery is just sex slavery. So again, I think it's probably a both end, not an either or. Like that's just always been the case in, in a fallen world.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Okay, let's get back to Hollywood. Yeah, comic book movies in the last, let's say 15 to 20 years. Supply or demand.
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Jay Dyer
Well, in the 90s, they were not that big. There was a couple that did well, like Spider Man. But a lot of the comic book
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
movies, I want to say 2002 or
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Jay Dyer
2001, maybe you're right, 90s are just Batman.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Tim Burton.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, Tim Burton's Batman. So there, so there wasn't huge. It was kind of beginning to be, you know, that was the first blockbuster. I can think it would be Batman. But. So probably the tr they saw a trend shift with as the Internet became more and more prevalent, more and more omniscient, that suggests that nerd culture would probably have more and more of a dominance in our society. The rise of Silicon Valley, the rise of the Internet, combined with low T, all of that, they probably figured out that the next trend would be more and more people staying home, living online, gaming. Gaming probably had a huge role in that as well. And so they probably figured that comic books would be the next vector for propaganda social engineering. Like I said, like there was a gay character in the, in the early 90s, North Star. So they were already, I think, testing that stuff out and actually comics, as my buddy was saying, who was in, in the comic book world, he was explaining that they went woke and were doing DEI before even Hollywood was. They were doing this in the late 2000s already, like installing these like mandates that you have to hire artists that are non white, non heterosexual.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Not based on their talent.
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Jay Dyer
Not based on talent. Exactly. And then Hollywood ironically, actually was a little bit late to that following after comic book artists. But yeah, a lot of factors there probably. But I think they saw that a lot of the millennials and the Gen X that had grown up with comic books, they would. That that was a perfect vector for altering the mindset of the youth. Because the, the youth that are into that tend to be also a little living in fantasy worlds. And so through that you could also inculcate people to live more and more as a furry more and more as their cosplay character. Conventions now are dominated by this kind of stuff. When in the 1990s when I went with my friend to a comic convention where he used to try to get signed, he would go every year and present his art to try to get a job back at that time it was a small nerd affair. Right. And I would always make fun of him. You're such a nerd, dude. All these versions. Yeah, all of these. And they all stink. Like you go to the comic convention, it's like smells like ass there. Because the dudes don't bathe.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Literally.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, they actually have to start. They actually had to start telling the people, like, if you're coming to the comic convention, you have to take a shower.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
No way.
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Jay Dyer
I'm totally serious. Yeah, the same with game. Remember when tabletop gaming, World of Warcraft got popular, when they would have those tournaments, they'd have to tell the dudes, like, you can't come in and smell like ass. So they had a shower. They had a mandated one shower policy. I'm not joking. So I think that they, like, you know, social engineers, study culture, they study the trends and they look to see what the emerging trends are. And then they try to steer that to the future goal, which you mentioned earlier, which is depopulation. That's a huge goal of the elite.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Stay home, watch movies.
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Jay Dyer
Well, don't have kids, don't have offspring.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Yeah, don't have sex, even sex.
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Jay Dyer
Don't pair bond and have offspring. That's the, that's the future. And that's what they're absolutely all about. So the best way to mess people up is to mess them up young and Then you've got them.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
But you know what's interesting? On, on one side we have over sexual sexualization of everything, right? Of up for free. You can watch millions of videos. I want to say right now you can watch a Netflix movie or any other HBO movie or TV show without having this scene of sex, even violent sex. Or let's say Game of Thrones 2011, the famous sex scene between a brother and sister. Right? Over sexualization of everything. And on the other side, nerds, low testosterone, comic movies, everything, Everything like that. So which way then we are more over sexualized and we won't just want to have sex or we just want to stay home.
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Jay Dyer
Either one is as is amenable to the establishment because the establishment wants a socialist, technocratic, controlled, depopulated future. One of the things we do on my channel, and I like that you said that you had not seen my stuff because you wanted to kind of be raw and fresh with it. One of the things that we've done on my channel over the last 10 years is we pick establishment elite texts. Usually they're pretty long and boring that nobody else reads or looks at. And we lecture through those. We've done over 50, maybe 60 of these right in 10 years.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Why? And where do they publish it?
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Jay Dyer
I mean they're academic, they're published by like international studies groups. I mean it's all kinds of stuff. So like Brzezinski, Kissinger, Rockefeller, all that kind of stuff. These high level, high level guys. Jacques Atali is one, he's like the Kissinger, France, HG Wells, you name it.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
You all know Harare.
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Jay Dyer
We've done Harare. Exactly.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Koshwab, another guy, very like this guy,
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Jay Dyer
we, we, we read their books and then we kind of go through them on my channel, lecturing through them. And one thing that we've seen as, and this is like the last hundred years of these people, they're, they're their policy papers and whatnot. I mean one thing that we see is that that's the overriding goal. Like if you're going to be part of those clubs and those groups and those positions, you've got to be on board with depopulation. One world government, international economic source, like just one. One economics for the whole world, one currency. Global government or global religion. All of those things are part and parcel of their, their whole worldview. They have to be a part of. So, so you, for example, you could disagree on plans or strategies or something like that, but you can't disagree on those kinds of things. And be in their club, so to speak. So that's Trilateral, Bilderberg Council, Foreign Relations. And a lot of those people are on the same steering committee. So they'll go from one to the other to the other. Like Jeffrey Epstein, for example. He was recruited, as he says in the band interview, to be David Rockefeller's Ligue Natasha, as chairman of the CFR and Trilateral Commission. And then he says to Peter Thiel in his emails, I work for the Rothschilds, by the way. So these are the elites. This is all confirmed now. 100. This is what I've been writing about for so many years.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Why do, why do they reveal it?
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Jay Dyer
Well, if you go Back to the 1960s, one of the key books that we covered was Dr. Carol Quigley's book Tragic and Hope. And he was a CFR archivist and historian. He was also Bill Clinton's mentor at Georgetown. Back then they didn't think that the pop. The public would read this stuff. Nobody would read, you know, these massive tomes, military histories, policy papers. It's just, it's not what. You would only really be exposed to this stuff if you're in academia. So it's not, it's not something the public's even going to read.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
It's like boasting. It's like we cannot even write about it. You're not going to do.
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Jay Dyer
I just really think that they didn't, they had no concern or care or thought that the public would ever even read it. There's, I mean, the public is not going to read a 1300 page book called Tragic Hope. But no one, I've only met one person that's read it. Like we lectured through that book on my channel. I'm like, I've never met anybody else that's read it. Now people know about it and that's fine, that's good. I'm not faulting people for not reading it. They don't have time to. But that's what I'm saying. Like, I don't think that, like, if you've been in academia, there's, there's things that are published for academics. For example, if you write a master's thesis, nobody's going to read that except other academics. And so within academia there's white papers, there's policy papers, there's journals and whatnot that are published in the domain of academia. That. It's just no one else is going to read that. Since the establishment controls the use of control, at least the mainstream TV and print outlets, those outlets were never going to talk about these books. So they didn't really have any concern for that.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
But now I can feed these things to AI and ask it to summarize. Do people do it?
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, sure.
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Jay Dyer
I mean, I think.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Because I would say after 2020, a lot of people.
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Jay Dyer
A lot of people did. You're right. I mean that's. We saw. I think the biggest growth in my channel was from. I went from probably 50,000, 60,000 prior to that to, you know, over 100 pretty quick after 2020 because a lot of what we talked about had been vindicated. So yeah, there's definitely people waking up. It's just that this. Usually when people start waking up is the system. Then they. They flood the market with a bunch of weirdos and phonies and like Professor Zhang who's obviously a fraud, says crazy shit. So. So then they get people distracted with all these other rabbit holes. Stuff that's not real. Stuff that doesn't matter.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
But I would say the biggest distraction is still sports.
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Jay Dyer
Absolutely.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Especially here in the US you just worship it.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, I mean we have whole rants on my channel about sports hole because I think sports is kind of gay.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Do you think it's scripted?
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Jay Dyer
Because I think that. I mean, you go back to 1919 and the biggest scandal the history of sports was that the World Series was. Was thrown. There was a gambling. It's called the throwing of the World Series, they threw the game. So people act like, well, I mean, if they did it in 1919, like of course they could do it. In fact, there's a guy who's used to go on a lot of podcasts like ten years ago, his name's Brian Toohey and he's written several books about how sports are fixed. And he would consult players for the FBI. So the FBI would have this guy go and consult people that were like first round drop picks because they will get approached by organized crime who will say, maybe you want to make million dollars if you miss that shot, you know, in this game, or if you get punched and you go down on the first round, you know what I mean? So yeah, it's absolutely real. They wouldn't have consultants telling people to not, you know, explain because the players are young, they don't know how it works. So they don't know they're going to be propositioned to throw games. So yeah, there's consultants for this.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Okay, so if sports is fake and gay, how real is the war then? The war, Any war, let's say Russia, Ukraine. So since I still have dozens of relatives in Ukraine, because my mom was Ukrainian, I've been to Ukraine a couple of times. 20 years ago when I was a little kid. So USSR started. They entered the war with Nazi Germany in 1941. From 1941 to 1945, the Nazis were defeated by the Russians and the Allies and etc in four years. Now Russia invaded Ukraine more than 40 years ago and they do nothing. They had like a slice of territory. What are they doing for the last four years then?
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Jay Dyer
What's Russia now?
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Both of you, what they're doing? Four years of war. Russians cannot get the whole Ukraine. They cannot get to Kiev. Oh, and the Ukraine cannot defend themselves properly. Four years, what they're doing, just bang, bang, sit for a day. Bang bang from the other side, then sit. So maybe those wars are quote unquote fake too.
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Jay Dyer
That is a great question. It's, it's always hard to know to what degree these things are real or fake and because you also can't trust a lot of wartime information, right? Because they just flood propaganda. Right? I mean, I don't even know with, with Iran and Israel, like half of these videos like are AI. All right. It's hard for me to tell what's really going on. But I know in the case of like Ukraine, what's interesting is that I was reading that back in World War II, this has always been a key region, geostrategic region for putting pressure on Russia. So Hitler wanted to control that region, and so he sent Reinhardt, Galen, some of his men to set up intelligence networks in Ukraine. And that's why to this day, you have those sort of tiny mustache, man, we'll say networks in Ukraine, their holdovers from World War II. And then when Hitler lost World War II, the CIA and allies just took over all those networks. So the Galen Org folded into the CIA and today's German intelligence, the bnd, it's literally just the former Galen network. So another illustrate. The thing that illustrates your point is like Galen himself worked with the Mossad. Otto Skorzeny, one of the top hitmen for Hitler, went and worked and trained the Mossad. So you have the two top Nazi guys helping to train the fledgling Israeli intelligence network that was being set up. So is it faking gay? I mean, to a degree, it's hard to know, right, because people will change the allegiances when they're forced to, you know, to. After. After the Axis powers lost, they were basically just folded into the. The Allies. And we're lecturing through a book on this on my channel right now, which is about how Alan Dulles basically just took over a lot of the Nazi intelligence networks and just said, just made them CIA. So. And I'm not pro Nazi, I'm not pro CIA. I'm just saying. I'm not pro Soviet. I'm just saying, like, this is. This is the reality of war and geopolitics. And it's. It's a really tough question to say, well, how do I know which parts are real?
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
And I don't know, because October 7, 2023, almost three years ago right now, Right. So they told us that they basically leveled the whole Palestine in, let's say in a year. But they're still there. They're still doing some operations for almost three years, guys. It's like a very narrow strip. What are you doing? For almost three years and you've told us we've seen maybe fake footage, maybe the real footage. It's basically leveled. Nothing in there.
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Jay Dyer
I saw no buildings, just bricks upon bricks. That's it.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
So what's happening over there? You will never know the truth.
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Jay Dyer
It's hard. I mean, I've got friends that are journalists that have been been there to Palestine many times. And you know, they're after October 7th. No, no, no, no. I'm saying before. So I'm just saying, like, talking to friends is probably the best sources that I could get. But I mean, no, I don't know anybody that's been there since then. But they did just shut down the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, which, you know, Orthodox go there. I think they did that on purpose because a lot of Orthodox speaking out against what was going on there. So, you know, there's no easy, there's no easy answers to these, to these questions. That's why I try to focus on the bigger geopolitical background and the history of it. So we've done a lot of lectures and talks on the history of the British Empire on my channel and how today's Middle east is literally just set up out of the British Empire structure. Israel, Pakistan, Iraq, all those countries, Saudi Arabia, their creations of the British Empire. So you have to understand that to understand how we got to where we are. And most people don't understand that.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Would you say the British Royal Crown has still a lot of power? Yeah, but how come?
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Jay Dyer
I think they realized that when the revolutions were happening in the 1700s and 1800s, and this is, I'm speaking of like the Masonic revolutions, that got rid of a lot of the monarchies, right? Because the Masonic philosophy is, you know, to overthrow crown and altar. And so they, they did that pretty much everywhere throughout Europe, except for a few places like the uk. And it just so happens that, you know, England is the, the source of modern Freemasonry. So the Grand Lodge of England is, you know, early 1700s and they had that ethos to overthrow monarchies and establish churches and that supposedly was to set up democratic republics throughout the world. But I think that was really just a ruse. I think that Masonry is essentially an atheistic, almost Luciferian society. I don't know what your take on that is, but I don't think it's, it's in any way a good thing. And also Freemasonry, especially connected to the Grand Lodge of England, it actually functioned during the time of the British Empire. That was Britain's intelligence network was Masonry. So they used it for intelligence. There's actually a book on this by not a conspiracy theorist about a historian, Jessica Harlan Jacobs. She wrote a book on the history of British Empire using Masonry as an intelligence network. So that's another big key component to understanding how the world is structured today. So long answer to your question, I think the Royals and the Royal society, the crown, etc, they have power because they were essentially under the aegis of the Rothschilds. The Rothschilds pretty much took over British Crown, I think, and so they kind of function as attaches or in league with them. And you can get into the history of Cecil Rhodes, the Rhodes Trust, the Milner Fabian circles. That's how that entity gained so much power. And really the Royal Institutional affairs, which was set up by Cecil Rhodes and his cronies like John Ruskin, like, they're. They're their structure of an inner group of what they call the Society of the Elect. And then you have the 6,000 groups of helpers, people at Oxford, Cambridge, et cetera. And then you have the rest of the country being underneath these concentric circles of what you could call kind of a deep state. When the Rockefeller set of the Council on Foreign Relations and Pratt House in New York, it was based on Chatham House in the uk, it's the same, it's mirrored. So they mirrored what the Royal Society was doing in the uk, and that's essentially the Western power structure.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
So not all. Not a lot of people know, but there are still more than just the UK territory that belongs to the Crown.
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Jay Dyer
It's Commonwealth.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Commonwealth, right. It's Australia, Canada. Canada, New Zealand, I want to say.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
And they still kind of quote, unquote, own it. Yeah.
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Jay Dyer
And I mean, really, it's because this, the City of London is a separate entity. Like the Vatican is a city state. Right. And Washington, D.C. is a city state. So it's a state within a state. It's not subject to the laws outside of it or where it resides. So it has its own bylaws. And so I think that those. Those key city states are very important in the Western world for kind of running and controlling the Western world.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Okay, so that's the West. What about the East? Let's say Russia, or let's take China or Japan. Same. Same people, same entities, same spiritual demons rule over those territories or something way different.
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Jay Dyer
No, I think. I mean, I think corruption and the pattern of corruption and control are going to be the same pretty much anywhere in a fallen world. So you're not going to have. You might have nations that are less righteous or more righteous than others, but usually the default is that the leaders are pretty corrupt. So I doubt that it's much different. I mean, modern China was actually set up. Communist China was set up through the oss. People don't know this, but Mao was Yale in China. Yali, he was a member of Yale in China. And Bill Donovan, who set up the oss, he actually went and trained all of Mao's guerrillas and set up Mao's intelligence networks in China.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Really?
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Jay Dyer
The oss? Yeah.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
And they did the revolution. Yeah. Killed, I want to say, 50 to 60 million their own people.
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Jay Dyer
And you know, you know what the first bank was in China?
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Rochelle's.
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Jay Dyer
No, David Rockefeller's Chase Bank. In fact, David Rockefeller went to China before Nixon, when Nixon famously went to China before that, David Rockefeller had gone over there to prepare the way to set up Chase bank in communist China. And right after that, Rockefeller wrote two editorials for the New York Times. One of them is called From a China Traveler and he extols Maoism. So here you have the richest, one of the richest men in America, David Rockefeller, writing a famous New York Times essay. You can look it up. It's called From a China Traveler. And he says Mao's experiment was a huge success. And as a capitalist, I can only speak positive of Maoism.
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Hi, this is Alex Canceroitz. I'm the host of Big Technology Podcast, a longtime reporter and an on air contributor to cnbc. And if you're like me, you're trying to figure out how artificial intelligence is changing the business world and our lives. So each week on Big Technology, I bring on key actors from companies building AI tech and outsiders who trying to influence it, asking where this is all going. They come from places like Nvidia, Microsoft, Amazon and plenty more. So if you want to be smart with your wallet, your career choices, in meetings with your colleagues and at dinner parties, listen to Big Technology Podcast wherever you get your podcasts.
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Jay Dyer
No, that's how the world works. Communism and socialism have always been funded by extremely wealthy western capitalists, all the way back to the French Revolution. Quigley has a chapter on the Protestant, Swiss and Jewish banking interests that funded the French Revolution. So communism is a tool of very cunning wealthy people because they know that this is like a wrecking ball. It destroys the country, all the wealth consolidated and then it goes offshore. So it's a great. And David Rockfeller says that in his memoirs. I mean in the essay in the memoirs he says we set up bilderberg for world government. But there's whole chapter on that.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Okay, what about China? Let's take China. Japan's culture we spoke about Hollywood, Japanese movies, anime, mangas, etc. They're way different. I would say if the nerds here in America, in the western culture that are watching the Marvel DC movies, playing video games, etc. They have the low tide. I would say Japanese, they have even lower T's because their whole culture, it reminds me of pedophilia. Right.
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Jay Dyer
My wife. Yeah. Says the same thing. Yeah.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
So if, if communism, socialism is a tool for the, the wealthiest of, of the world. This is what they're trying to do with the us this is why they want to turn it to a socialist country. Why haven't they been successful?
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Jay Dyer
They have been very successful. Totally successful. I mean we have for example, the irs, that's a socialist entity. We have the most of the Supreme Court judges who got a lot of that stuff passed were Fabian socialists. We have, most states have income tax, we have inheritance tax. If you look at the Communist Manifesto, most of those have been accomplished. So the money itself is a private, centralized fiat bank. And that's exactly what you've seen in the Communist Manifesto.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Okay, so how to then pave the roads, be policemen, medics, firefighters?
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Jay Dyer
That's a different question from. Because that's a local thing. That's a different question from one centralized Federal Reserve bank that is not a state bank. It's actually a private bank that can manipulate the currency through money printing. So that's different from a local municipality taking a portion of taxes to pay the roads. That's not what the federal, Federal government doesn't do any of that. That's all local federal government just steals all the money. So.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Okay, so would you say IRS should be abolished?
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Jay Dyer
Absolutely. I mean it's, it's not, it's not, it's. It's unconstitutional. It was passed under Woodrow Wilson at the behest of Colonel Edwin Mendel House, who was a Rothchilds representative. So they were blackmailing Woodrow Wilson and that's why we have what we have.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
So Blackmailing?
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Jay Dyer
Yeah.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
What did he do?
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Jay Dyer
He had a mistress that they got information on and so they, they. That's, that's mainstream news. You can look that up in the Washington Post. That's not a conspiracy theory. So he was blackmail.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Just a mistress at that time.
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Jay Dyer
That was scandalous though. So you don't have to be gay back then, you just have a mistress.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Right. Or nothing. Pedophile.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah. I mean he could have Been. But I mean, it was reportedly just his communicated with his mistress. But anyway. But yeah, I have a whole talk on that. That's a creature from Jekyll Island. That's a famous book. I don't know if you've heard of that, but that's kind of relating to this. But a lot of people don't know that. Woodrow. I don't know. I can't remember if he says he was blackmailed. But yeah, that's the oldest trick in the book is to black couple people.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Okay, so every, every communist country has one thing in common. They abolish the religion. There's still religion in the U.S. how come?
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Jay Dyer
Well, the west has certain protections and certain bylaws through the constitution that have not yet been overturned, but they would like to overturn those things.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
That's what they do in the, in the uk I want to say, right, you can't. You can't even pray in your mind. And if you stand across the street
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Jay Dyer
of abortion clinic and if you recall, you've heard me mention several times, fame and socialism. That's socialism. That what that is is Marxism and socialism combined with big capital. So if you go back 100 years, there were different branches of Marxist of socialists. There was the original hardcore Marxists that followed Karl Marx, Karl Mar. Karl Marx. And that is split called diamat. And his mat. Dialectical materialism, historical materialism. And so, for example, Stalin had a flavor of communism that was very. It was opposed to Trotsky's version of it. So Trotsky thought that if you had anything related to the existing people group's culture. What Stalin tried to capitalize on was allowing there to be churches, right? I know that the NKVD would run the bishops and the churches, but Trotsky's idea was, no, you got to get rid of all religion, right? Stalin thought, no, we'll just control the religion, right? Well, Trotsky said, that's still bourgeoisie. You got to get rid of that. So that led to Stalin having Trotsky killed, right? But the different flavors of communism was split into these different schools. And so in the west you had in Germany at the Frankfurt School. And I know this because I studied at my university under a guy from the Frankfurt School. So he taught me all about how the Frankfurt School Marxist worked. We read all those guys like Horkheimer and Adorno and Habermas. And so they had a big position that they called critical theory, which would meant that you just constantly critique and tear down everything in society. And that's a never Ending process because you will never not have something to tear down or critique. And that's actually more consistent with what Lenin himself said, which is perpetual revolution. Revolution never ends, it's forever. It's eternal struggle, eternal strife and revolution. So these different schools though can be manipulated. And in the west, in England, what happened was you had Beatrice and Sidney Webb, you had other very wealthy famous people like Lord Milner who thought, well, we're not getting much done with the older style of Marxism. What if we combined with the capitalist and use the engine of the power, capitalism, to further the revolution? Right. So you might have heard of Gramsci. Gramsci had this idea of the long march through the institutions, which meant instead of trying to tear them down, infiltrate them. And that that's closer to what the Fabian mindset was for. For socialism was to combine the power of the capitalists that we could convince to be on our side. And by the way, Henry Ford, for example, was very influenced by Beatrice, Sidney Webb and they were friends with Klopskaya, who was Lennon's wife. So they're, they're, they're all on the same page. It's just different means to the end. Some of them would say we can't join with capitalists, but the English socialists were very amenable. So no, we should join with the capitalists and just use that money power to tear things down. So long story short, it's called reformed Marxism. And in America it was very powerful, it was very influential. Harold Lasky was the most famous Fabian socialist professor. He taught David Rockefeller, that was his graduate professor, Felix Frankfurter, the famous Supreme Court judge open Fabian socialist, Woodrow Wilson Cabinet. Woodrow Wilson himself was a Fabian socialist. So all these people that are pushing these things like the Federal Reserve or like the United nations or the League of Nations, they're literally all admittedly part of Fabian's socialist ideology. Keir starmer in the UK is a Fabian socialist, that's his party. So it's 100 plus years of this strategy in the west that is not, it's not old school Marxism in the sense of like the workers are going to rise up. They've already decided the workers are not going to do this. It's money, big money. If you look into what's called the Reese Committee, they even understood this in the 1950s or 60s when they had the Reese Committee. Right after McCarthy. They were trying to figure out why the leftist socialist movements in America were being funded by billionaires and millionaires. They couldn't figure that out. So they had these committee hearings in government. And they found out that Ford Foundation, Rockefeller foundation, nowadays it would be like the Soros Foundation. They found out that these very wealthy things, entities, they push leftism because it's much easier to control people when they're deracinated, dumbed down, and have all this leftist collectivist ideology than if they didn't have that ideology. So it's a useful tool for these people. That's why they push it. And yes, we are. We're not fully socialist like you said, because we still have certain freedoms. But those are. They're trying to get rid of those. Like in Canada, you can't. You can't. Like, they're trying to criminalize, saying that you can't be gay. Or they, if you quote the Bible, they're trying to make that a criminal offense. In Canada, for example.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Okay. Do you have a problem with mom, Dani?
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, why? So that guy's the essence of what I'm talking about.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Yeah, but if we have a freedom, New Yorkers have a freedom to choose their own governance. They chose the guy. What's the problem with it? Because I had a problem when Trump said maybe we should deport him. How can you?
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Jay Dyer
Well, I don't. I believe elections and democracy are fake and gang, so that's okay. So I don't even believe in that. But one of the reasons, though, that, that you would get him elected is only by bringing in a massive amount of people who would support him. So it's kind of a trick anyway. It's like if I bring in zillions of leftists and people who don't have my ideology and then they vote against me, it's like, well, they voted against you. What's your problem? It's like, yeah, but they were. I mean, he. Even in his campaign, he said, I appeal to the people from Trinidad. I appeal to the. You know, he's appealing to all of these migrants that are illegal immigrants, basically.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Okay, but let's say California 2018, right? The first time Gavin Newsom was elected. During COVID he did all the bad things that he could. In 2021, he almost got recalled. He did not. In one year in 2022.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
He was elected once again. So people love him. It means people of California love the guy. Or elections are faking gay or elections
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Jay Dyer
are faking gay and Californians are.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
So you've been here for how many days now in California? Yeah, two weeks, I think. Have you ever met the.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, sure.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
How? Where? When I meet people here that live here, that come to my podcast or when I meet them.
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Jay Dyer
Well, you're interacting with people that are. They're intelligent, coming on your show to talk about this.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
But even when I go to the grocery store, I don't think that they're stupid and dumb. But they do elect the guy for the second term.
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Jay Dyer
Well, then they're demolished. Then they're stupid and dumb. That would, you're saying, would that mean they are dumb? If they're voting against their own best
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
interest or it's fake.
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Jay Dyer
It could be. Oh, you're saying that maybe they didn't vote for him.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
How come 40 million live in California and more than. How? How many? How?
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Jay Dyer
Look, I was raised in California, so I, I know this area from my youth pretty well. My dad was in the Navy out here, so I grew up in San Diego. And San Diego is California and New York are the two most brainwashed places that then the intention is that they are 20 years ahead and then the rest of that trickles down to the rest of the country. That's their role is to eventually socialize the rest of the country. And that's exactly what New York and California are doing. Socializing.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
20, 22, 59% people voted for the guy. So it means what? Around 10 million voters only. So either the guys that did not like him did not show up or it is what it is. 59. Every other just liked Newsom. That's why they voted him in for the second term.
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Jay Dyer
I could go either way. I have no idea because I don't
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
agree with Mamdani at all.
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Jay Dyer
Right.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
But if people chose him, good for them. Now, now New York is about to see what is about to have the socialist amazing governor.
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Jay Dyer
You're gonna have a. Yeah, but in,
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
in three years now we're, we're gonna see whether they're gonna re elect the guy. Because if they will, you deserve it. Yeah, exactly, you deserve it.
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Jay Dyer
But also too, it's like, you know, I mean, I've grown up in this country and I've been hearing politicians and what elections are all about since I was a kid. And I've never heard a politician not lie. I mean, when I was a kid, I remember on the TV it was George Bush. I'll say it again, no new taxes. And then as soon as he gets elected, new taxes. Trump runs on no new wars. Probably if you go with this other girl, you're going to get wars. They're going to give you World War 3. I will never bring World War 3. No more middle Eastern wars. Okay? Probably not. And then as soon as we get Bibi Netanyahu telling them what to do, we go to war. So again, I don't know. I mean, I'm not black pilled because I think you can wake people up. I just don't have much faith in like big elections, like, you know, hopeless national elections or even, I mean, California is a big election. That's a huge one.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Hopeless?
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Jay Dyer
What do you mean?
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
You, you're hopeless?
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Jay Dyer
No, I'm not black pilled.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
No at all.
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Jay Dyer
I just don't care about politics. Politics is dumb, dude. It's like, it's like the religion of the midwit. Like people think that they're really involved in this and that's faking gay man.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
But the one thing that Russians did when Putin arrived, they said they told, even when Yeltsin was in power, they told the Russian citizen, don't worry about the politics, do your own thing. We got you.
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Jay Dyer
Oh, I see what you're saying. Let me be clear. No, no, you can be involved. But I'm saying at the national level, the president, right. That's way removed from most of us. Right? Like what presidents. I live in Tennessee. What presidents have done in D.C. almost none of that has come down to or affected my life in Tennessee.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Okay?
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Jay Dyer
So what I'm saying is unless you have hundreds of millions of dollars or billions of dollars, or you work for a super pac, you're not going to have much influence nationally in politics. But at the local level. Absolutely.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Or they draft you one day, they just draft you to go to the Middle east to fight the war that's going to affect you. Right?
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Jay Dyer
Okay, but I'm I'm just saying, like, typically national politics doesn't do a whole lot, but one of my best friends is running for mayor of my county. That's what. That's effective. If you want to be effective, be effective locally. If you want to do politics, you can do it locally. What happens on the national scale is. Is kind of irrelevant is what I'm saying.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Okay, I got it. Let's switch the topic. Orthodoxy. I never understood the Orthodoxy because what I go by is not even sola scriptura. Not only the Bible. I try to go only by the red letters. If Jesus said this, I'm with him. Everything else I believe within 66 or 73 books in the Bible. It depends whether you're Catholic, Orthodox or Protestant. It might have been corrupted and maybe even multiple times. Maybe some new texts, maybe changing the words, the terms, the whole sentences, even the chapters. That's why I only run with the red letters. If Jesus said this, I'm with this. Tell me about Orthodoxy. You have these very odd and strange traditions, right? You are more, I want to say spiritual than even Catholics. What I know about Orthodoxy, you have those rituals. Your churches look way different than other churches at all. And everything that you have to do when you go to a church, when you get married, etcetera, they're way different than is written in the Bible. Tell me about Orthodoxy.
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Well, to the first point, Tyler Redick
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Jay Dyer
The idea of there being red letters. That's actually a Gideon Bible idea that they had very, very late and it's maybe 100 years old. Decided to make just Jesus letters in red. I mean, if you read Peter, Peter says that it's the spirit of Christ that spoke through the Old Testament prophets. So the entire Bible is red Letters. It's not just these passages in the Gospels that are red letters. Again, it's a very, very recent evangelical invention. But the Bible itself is, in the orthodox conception, much the way that the Jews viewed their, their texts. It's a liturgical text. It's not primarily a devotional text. So I'm not saying that you can't read or have the Bible in your personal devotional life, you absolutely should. But the primary meaning and use of those texts is within the worship service of the liturgy. For example, when David wrote the Psalms, the Psalms were meant to be sung at the Temple liturgy or later on after Ezra, in the synagogue liturgy service. So in the early church, in the first, second, third century, when the apostles went out and they set up these churches, in the Roman Empire, they set up churches that would have a pattern of worship that was a combination of the temple and the synagogue service. So a lot of the things that people think are sort of traditions of men or whatever, they're actually coming out of the temple and synagogue services because that was the main means of influence that the apostles used when they crafted the early apostolic liturgies. You can read the Church fathers. This, by the way, is not even a controversial notion. If you read F.F. bruce or you can read Elaine MacDonald, like these church. These Protestant scholars admit that the formation of the Bible into a canon is also partly due to ancient liturgical texts. And some of the earliest texts are actually reconstructed out of quotations from the Church fathers, like Irenaeus or Tertullian or Cyprian, early second, third century Church fathers. So you can't really divorce the Bible from the Church and its transmission of those texts, handing them down to different ancient seas, or from the patristic interpretation and citation of those texts. And that's why we can trust the New Testament. For example, there's a great book by FF Bruce called New Testament Documents. Are they reliable? And he notes that we have more documentary evidence and attestation to, for example, the New Testament in the first three centuries than any other historical text has. So whether it's Plato or whether it's Aristotle, for example, the oldest Plato texts are like the 1100s. So we're way earlier than. Because that's, you know, still 1500 years or so removed from Plato himself. Same with Aristotle, there's not that many ancient texts. So the Bible has a lot more attestation because they were copying those manuscripts, copying Paul's letters and sending them out. And so there's a massive 90 plus percent unanimity amongst most of those passages. And texts in manuscript tradition. So a lot of different things going on here. But the Orthodox Church, for example, in the liturgical service, what we're doing is really no different than if you compare it to the way that the temple and synagogue liturgy progressed. And we believe that when you read, for example, Saint Justin Martyr, when he describes the worship service in one of those passages, I think it's against Trypho. He describes the service of the liturgy culminating with the Eucharist in 150 AD. That's just one example. You can read Ignatius or you can read Clement. They also mentioned the Eucharist in the service culminating in that presence of eating the bread, of immortality, of eating the body of Christ. They're not spoken of as purely symbolic. It's spoken of as a real participation. So what I'm saying is that the New Testament didn't give us a specific liturgical worship service. But if you read Scripture, God is always very interested and very concerned with how you worship Him. And so.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Yeah, but Jesus taught us how to pray.
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Jay Dyer
Well, but that's not. That's how you should pray. Right, Our Father? Right. But that's not the service itself, which, if you think about how did Jesus worship? Jesus worshiped in a liturgical way. He would go to the synagogue and to the temple and go through that liturgy.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
But at the same time, he said, if you want to pray, just do not boast about it. Just go to your room, close the door, and pray to your Father.
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Jay Dyer
That's not the only way that you pray. Paul says that you should not forsake the coming together of the brethren to worship in the assembly. So in other words, if you read Corinthians, the church at Corinth was abusing the principle that Paul had laid down about coming together to have the Eucharist. So the church did not just function operating in a private devotional. It's fine for you to do that, but that's not the same thing as the Eucharistic celebration of the Marriage Supper. The Book of Revelation talks about this meal where we all gather together and we eat the Supper of the Lamb. For us, that is the Divine Liturgy. That's why it's so beautiful. That's why it has icons and imagery everywhere, because this is heaven on earth. So that service that John is. We believe, for example, that when John in Chapter four, Revelation, when he looks up and he sees into heaven, what he's seeing is a heavenly liturgy where a lamb is still slain in heaven and there's altar and incense and there's vestments there's imagery. It's beautiful. There's angels. There's a censor. All of that is what's happening on earth in the liturgy. Now Protestants think, oh, that's all done away with. It's not all done away with. That's why the first followers of the apostles, the Church fathers, whether it's Ignatius or Clement or Irenaeus, any of those people in the second century, they describe the exact same worship service that the Orthodox Church has. So the Church Fathers, who were the disciples of the apostles passed on this liturgy. And God always had liturgical worship. Even Abraham built an altar called upon God. Paul says in Hebrews 13, we have an altar that we eat from that the Jews can't eat from. So we have altar that we eat from. That means Protestantism, which says there is no altar in the New Testament because Jesus fulfilled the altar. It's not true. There's a Eucharistic altar in Hebrews 13.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Okay, so Catholics have their pope. Orthodox have their the main guy, quote, unquote, too.
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Jay Dyer
No.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
So the Russian Church has one, his
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Jay Dyer
name is Kirill, that's a metropolitan bishop, so that's not a pope. So Catholics believe the Pope is the absolute head of the church. It's an autocracy.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Yes.
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Jay Dyer
Orthodox Church has. All bishops are equal. The only difference is that within some national churches or synods, there's one that has more canonical privileges. That means he has certain privileges within the Russian Church. But he can't, for example, go and tell a bishop in America what to do. He can't go and tell the bishop of Constantinople what to do. So all the bishops are equal as bishops, but within their synods, there's canonical privileges. And you see this at the Council of Nicaea, for example.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
So the biggest Orthodox are what, Russians? Armenians.
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Jay Dyer
Well, Armenians are Monophysized, so they're Oriental. They're not Orthodox. They're a different class.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
They're different then Greek.
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Jay Dyer
The biggest is Russian. And then two. Number two would probably be Greek. Sam.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Okay. Do you pray to icons?
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Jay Dyer
We don't pray to the icon. We pray to the saint that's represented in the icon.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
So a saint is who? A person that never sinned? No, because only Jesus did not sin.
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Jay Dyer
Right? Everybody sinned.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
So who's a sin then?
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Jay Dyer
We think that Mary was preserved from sin, although she was born in original sin, but she was preserved from actual sin. So who's a saint? A saint is anybody who the Church, over time knows, through having the mind of Christ, lived a very holy life, and who was Deified and thus can intercede for us. So, for example, if you read the Book of Amos, Amos prays and God doesn't destroy Israel. And God says to Amos, because you prayed, I relented from destroying Israel, even though I intended to. And so know that the prayer of a righteous man affect as much as James says. So the reasoning is that in the Book of Revelation, when John looks in chapters 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, he sees the saints in heaven praying. The saints under the altar in heaven are praying for the church on earth. So we believe that they're not dead, they're alive to God, as Jesus says, and they pray for us.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Okay, but who chooses the saints then?
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Jay Dyer
Well, again, in the Orthodox Church, it's not like the Roman Catholic Church, where the Pope says, we have our team and our ghostbuster team has decided this person is a saint. We have a local tradition, and as that grows, if that person begins to be recognized eventually or accepted by the rest of the church, then they're a, quote, saint, and they become a saint on the calendar. So, but if you don't, it doesn't mean that that's the only people in heaven. It just means that they're the only people that the church eventually recognizes as model people.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Okay, why do you have them on the icons then? Why don't you just have Jesus? That's it.
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Jay Dyer
Again, because of the communion of saints. Because, as we said, God has always included people or even angels in what he called the divine council. So if you go back and read like Psalm 82 other places in the Old Testament where God speaks to and says to the angels or to the holy, holy men in heaven, he says, you know, he counsels with them, Amos prays, and God decides not to. So it's true that God could just directly do all these things, but he condescends to willingly have his people participate in his rulership. And so we think that the community of saints, if you look at Hebrews 11, when Paul talks about the whole hall of Faith chapter, he ends with saying that all of these people are members of, whether it's Samson or whether it's David or whether it's Paul or Moses, they're all members of the heavenly city. And when John looks into, into Revelation or into heaven in the Book of Revelation, he sees them engaged in a liturgical service and praying for and being very concerned with the church on earth. So it's just like, you know, do you, you, you, you might ask your friend, hey, pray for me. I'm going through this problem. Well, why don't you just pray to Jesus? Why are you asking for your friend pray for you?
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
That's what I would say. Why don't you pray?
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Jay Dyer
Well, you do, but what I'm saying is, like, obviously it's not absurd to ask someone else to pray for you. We do it all the time. But I'm saying if you're asking me why do I ask saints to pray for me? I could ask you, why would you ask your mom to pray for you? Why don't you just pray to Jesus? It's no different.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Well, I would just pray to Jesus. That's it.
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Jay Dyer
But don't.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Because I have a relationship with him
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Jay Dyer
and you're missing the point. Don't you sometimes ask someone else. Hey, man, you should you never. I didn't persevere for you?
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
No, never.
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Jay Dyer
Okay, well, most I can.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
I have a relationship with Jesus myself.
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Jay Dyer
Okay, so the rest of the entire history of the Christian church has always asked other people to pray for them. There's nothing wrong with asking people to. Prayer of a righteous man availeth much. Okay, so if you know righteous men, then wouldn't it be beneficial for you to ask other righteous men to pray for you?
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
I'm just not sure that there is a righteous man in the world. We all.
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Jay Dyer
Well, then how does. How does James say the prayer of a righteous man avails much?
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
I think maybe people were different back then, 2,000 years ago.
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Jay Dyer
So there's no righteous man today.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
I think we all sin. And I believe we sin more than people sin to tell.
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Jay Dyer
That's not what the criteria of a righteous man is. Obviously everyone sins.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Right, so who's a righteous man then?
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Jay Dyer
Well, David says, I have followed your law. I've kept your commandments. I have not sinned. He says that many times in the Psalms. David in the Psalms.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Okay, but he had an affair with
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Jay Dyer
Bathsheba, so obviously that's my point. So obviously, having a sin or committing a sin does not negate you being a righteous person.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Yeah, but that's him speaking about himself, right?
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Jay Dyer
Yeah. So obviously what I'm saying is the case. Just like when it says about Zacharias and. And Elizabeth, it says they were both righteous before the Lord.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
How do you baptize? And how does it differ from, let's say, Protestants?
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Jay Dyer
Well, I mean, Protestants do all kinds of stuff, so it could. I mean, there could be Protestants who baptize, like Orthodox, who baptize in immersion. So immersion in the name of the Trinity. Sure. So Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Okay, so to orthodox, Jesus is the son of God and the God himself, too. You believe in Trinity?
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Jay Dyer
Absolutely. I think the Orthodox Church is the only church that maintains the correct Trinity doctrine. No other church has it correctly. That's why we're all drugs.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Okay. How do you marry? Because.
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Jay Dyer
Marry a wife.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Yeah, because I've seen that there is a very. The way that you marry, it takes hours. Is that correct? In the church, you have to listen to a lot of.
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Jay Dyer
I mean, it was. We did the full crowning service, and it was maybe an hour and a half or two. It wasn't hours.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
So a priest says what during those. That hour or night?
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Jay Dyer
Well, I mean, it's a specific entire liturgical service. And a lot of it's based on the same way that, for example, Jews would do a marriage service. I mean, it's not identical. But I'm saying, just like with the liturgy, on the Sunday when you come, when you go to the Divine Liturgy, there's a service for baptism and there's a service for marriage. So because the church is the entity, the body of Christ, that dispenses these graces, so to speak, it makes sense there would be a service specifically for those ritual events.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
And those services for marriage and for baptism are always the same. If I get married, I get the same service as you, for example. Right?
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Jay Dyer
Yeah.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Okay. You have to have a few witnesses during the wedding or.
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Jay Dyer
I think so, yeah. I remember that being there.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
So I've seen.
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Jay Dyer
Well, I've just.
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Cole Swindell
What?
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Jay Dyer
What? I don't understand where you're going with this. Are you just curious?
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
No, I'm just. I'm just curious about traditions.
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Jay Dyer
I didn't know if you were, like, going into, like, an argument about it.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
No, no, no. I'm just curious. Why do you do it? Because, for instance, I've seen those videos and pictures from Orthodox Russian Church where the priests go with this thing. I don't know how it's called. It's like a vape vaporizes. What is that? What is that?
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Jay Dyer
It's a censer.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Censor.
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Jay Dyer
So in the Book of Revelation, the angel has a censer, which is the incense, frankincense and myrrh going up as the prayer of the saints. So the angel is offering the prayers of the saints on earth to God in the Book of Revelation. That's why we do that. It's not that we just made up a tradition. It's literally in the Book of Revelation, and it's based on the liturgical worship that the Jews had. And again, remember, in our conception, if you read the Scriptures, Jesus is the one that gave the law at Mount Sinai to Moses. James says that it was Jesus on Mount Sinai. Jesus says that. That he was the one talking face to face to moses in John 5. 9, when he's arguing with the Pharisees. The Pharisees say no one can see God. How did you see or know Moses or Abraham? Jesus says no one sees the Father. But who was the angel of the Lord at Mount Sinai talking to Moses? It's Jesus. That's why they want to stone him. And if you read 2 Corinthians 3, Paul says Moses went up on the mountain and he saw Christ face to face. So Christ was who was interacting with Moses. So that means that Jesus is the one that gave the Mosaic Law and those ceremonies. And the only reason I'm saying all this is to point out, number one, that Jesus is obviously the God of the Old Testament, but also that he's the second person of the Godhead. Liturgical worship is what Jesus gave. Jesus is the God of the Old Testament giving the book of Leviticus. And so Jesus is the one in the New Testament that sets up the Levitical worship for the church, which is why we have that Orthodox liturgy.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Okay, so in Genesis 2, do you think that Jesus was the one that dwelt with Adam and Eve?
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Jay Dyer
That's a theophany. So a theophany is a divine manifestation in Time and space. So the. The Lord walking around in the cool of the garden, that's Jesus. The one that appears to Abraham in Genesis 12 in a vision by the later. By the tree of Okamamre. That's Jesus. The one who appears to Hagar. Hagar says, I've seen God. That's Jesus. All of those theophanies are Jesus. Yes.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Every time it's physical is Jesus.
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Jay Dyer
When it's said to be Yahweh or the Lord. For example, in Judges 6, it says Yahweh stood and turned his face to get in. That's Jesus because it's called Yahweh, called God. But like in Genesis 16, when it says that the two angels were with the Lord to eat with Abraham.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Yes.
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Jay Dyer
That's two angels and Jesus. So it's not always. Not every angel in the Old Testament is Jesus because Gabriel appears to Daniel. That's not Jesus.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
That was Gabriel that appeared to Daniel by the river, where he even fell on his knees.
- [93:12]
Jay Dyer
Yes. He explicitly says in Daniel it's Gabriel.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Okay, so in your Bible, there are 73 books. What's the difference between 66 and 73? What are those additional books and what do they tell us about?
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Jay Dyer
Right, so those are called the deuterocanonical texts or the secondary canon texts. And all that means is that the Jews that were in the Diaspora that translated the Old Testament into what's called the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Old Testament that became normative for the apostles to use. So most of the time, when Paul's sighting, or even the other apostles, when they're citing the Old Testament, they're citing usually the Septuagint, which is the Greek translation of the Old Testament. All the Septuagint copies, most of them, they have these deuterocanonical texts like Maccabees or Wisdom.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Huh? Jubilee.
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Jay Dyer
No, Jubilee is not part of that. Jubilee is a pseudepographical text. Now, there are some traditions that are relevant to Orthodox in Jubilees, but it's not part of the canon. No, it's just it's the same base, the same Bible as Roman Catholics. Orthodox and Catholics basically have the same Bible. But the Protestant Reformers were very adamant that, no, we must follow the Rabbinic Jews of Palestine, not the Diaspora Jews of the Septuagint, because the Rabbinic Jews of Palestine somehow are the true Jews that were supposed to follow. So the Protestant Reformers had a Judaizing tendency which made them choose what would be called the Masoretic text, which doesn't have the deuterocanonical books. But if you read the first, second, third century church fathers, they say that the rabbinic Jews were getting angry that so many things in the deuterocanonical texts pointed to Jesus, that they specifically made this decision to not want the deuterocanonical text as part of the Masoretic Jewish canon because it was being used by the minim or the Christians.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
So the Old Testament, the last book of the Old Testament is Malachi, right?
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Jay Dyer
Well, yeah. I mean, unless you, if you're, if you're Protestant or Jewish. Yeah. But if you have the deuterocanonical text, that's in between. Like when Maccabees is taking place in between.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
So the last book of your Bible is Maccabees, right?
- [95:22]
Jay Dyer
Well, I mean, Maccabees is a historical book, but then you have wisdom texts that we don't know when they're written. So they were usually people think they were perhaps written in the intertestamental period. So the last historical book would be Maccabees.
- [95:39]
Podcast Host (Interviewer)
When the Old Testament ends and the New Testament begins, there's a huge gap. The Old Testament, it says nothing about baptism. But the New Testament starts with the baptism. John the Baptist, right?
- [95:52]
Jay Dyer
No, no. The book of Leviticus is full of baptisms. Baptism comes from Leviticus. John is doing what is in Leviticus as a washing of repentance. There's many baptisms in Leviticus.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Really?
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Jay Dyer
Yeah.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
That's my bad, because I was about
- [96:06]
Jay Dyer
to ask how baptism is a fulfillment of the baptisms of Leviticus. The washing of Leviticus and circumcision according to Colossians.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Okay, but you Orthodox, you do not do circumcisions. Why not?
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Jay Dyer
Because Paul says in Colossians 1, 2 and 3 that baptism is the fulfillment of what circumcision was.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Okay, let's say you and I, we are religiously Jewish people. We profess Judaism. It means our. The whole. Our Bible is Tenek. It ends the Old Testament. That's it. We do not recognize Jesus. So if we live only by the Tanakh, what are the principles and values of our life then? Do we still have to, let's say, stone adulterers and gays?
- [96:55]
Jay Dyer
Well, there are almost no people who believe that because Judaism is Talmudic. You have to follow the Talmud.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Why? Because they have this book tenk our Old Testament. You don't necessarily have to follow Talmud.
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Jay Dyer
Okay, What I'm saying is that you could choose that. And there are Karaite Jews that do that, but they're a Very, very, very small group of people, maybe even Samaritans, I think might have that same position. I don't recall. But I mean, they would just simply argue that even within those books you have mention of oral tradition that must be followed. So you're asking me what they would say? Yeah, they would say Rabbinic. Rabbinic Jews would say that you have to follow renic tradition because oral tradition is even in the Torah.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Okay. Because what the whole world is being told to Jews, religious Jews are just like Christians. They read the same Bible. They just do not read the New Testament. They do not recognize.
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Jay Dyer
No, that's not true.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Prove me that this is not true. Because they're saying we just follow the same God, the Father.
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Jay Dyer
It's not though, because again, modern rabbinic Judaism is very adamant and has been for a long time, that you must also follow the oral tradition, which is encapsulated in the Talmud. You can't reject that. So you would be, again, you could, if you did that, you would be in the 1% of Jews that are in the minority or in schism.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Okay. So then the Talmud teaches them that there are Jews and there are go people, human and not very human. This is the biggest problem. And they can do all the heinous things to those not human, quote, unquote.
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Jay Dyer
Right. Because the oral tradition is the lens that you read the Tanakh or anything through, Isaiah, Jeremiah, any of those things outside of the Torah, the prophets, it must. It has to be read through the lens of the Talmudic tradition first and foremost. And that teaches all the stuff you're talking about. Yeah.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
So Talmud is basically the first five books of the Bible, the Torah, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy and Numbers. But the oral version of it, it differs.
- [99:13]
Jay Dyer
Yeah. So basically, at the time of the first, second, third century, you have some strands of Judaism, and even early on, Christianity was considered one of the strands of Judaism. But in the second and third century, they begin to have more and more of a fissure and more of a departure over the person of Christ, whether he's the Messiah. So by the 3rd, 4th, 5th century, the Talmudic tradition is codified as they begin to collect those traditions together into writing. And so you get a Jerusalem Talmud, a balcony, Babylonian Talmud. By the 4th, 5th, 6th century, that comes together, and that solidifies for most Jews what Judaism is that we know today as Rabbinic Judaism. And a lot of that, ironically, and many, even Jewish scholars will admit this. This comes up, by the way, in a lot of debates with Muslims. I have to go into this because they think that they're basically in line with early Judaism to point out that, no, you're not, but it's a separate topic. I'm just saying this. The only reason I know about this is from all the Muslim debates. But. But even today, Jewish scholars and historians will admit that you don't really get a solidifying fissure until Judaism begins to define itself against the popularity of Christianity in the first, second or third century. And that's what develops into what we call Rabbinic Judaism. Not saying that all the traditions came to be in the 4th, 5th, 6th century, but even in Jeremiah's day. Jeremiah says that the lying pen of the scribe and the Pharisee, the scribe and the lawyer, is perverting the text. And if you read Matthew 23, when Jesus is rebuking the Pharisees, it's basically the same thing that Jeremiah says about the lawyers and the scribes of his day. So there was already in Babylon, the Babylonian tradition, this tendency to begin to supplant what was the words of the prophets with oral traditions. But if you understand that by the time of Christ in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th century, that's when you begin to see a split. So the reason it's not the same religion is that Judaism gradually defined itself more and more in opposition to Christianity, especially by the early Middle Ages. They're completely separate. Okay, so there's no Judeo, Christianity.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
What about Kabbalah?
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Jay Dyer
Kabbalah is a medieval tradition that develops out of certain schools in Spain. You have rabbis like Isaac Luria and Kosabon and Nachmanides and many others who basically want to try to deal with certain theological problems very similar to what Christians and even Muslims were dealing with, where they thought, well, how could we explain the presence of evil? How can we explain the created order? What's the structure of creation? So Kabbalah is interested in several different aspects of theology. But the problem, I think, is more so that they really just copied and pasted ideas out of Gnosticism and Neoplatonism. For example, the tree of Kabbalah is really just the same thing as the Porphyrion tree, Porphyry, the early philosopher, who kind of did a Neoplatonic structure of the world. So they would just kind of copy certain things out of Greek philosophy or the Gnostics and say, oh, here's these emanations and levels of reality, and this is how God structured the world. So some of it is, again, some of it's a little bit biblical, because they'll say, well, Ezekiel sees these cherubs and these angels. And then sometimes they'll say there's this structured hierarchical emanation which is out of Neoplatonism from the Godhead. And then sometimes it will be straight up, like ritual magic, or will there be, like, you can draw sigils and you can tap into these different angels. So it's kind of a broad thing. And each, each kabbalist kind of has his own version of Kabbalah. But I tend to go with like the scholars of the 20th century who, people like Gershom Sholem. He's probably the most famous scholar of Kabbalah in the 20th century, wrote a bunch of his books and he basically just says, look, if you want to understand what medieval Jewish Kabbalism is, all it is is their appropriation of Neoplatonism and Gnosticism.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
What do they seek in the final. The Kabbalists, they want to do what, they want to get the answers. They want to get to the truth. They want to find God or become God.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, some of them believe explicitly that you can kind of become, they think the person in Ezekiel 1 and 2 and 10 who's riding the chariot one like a son of man. They don't see it's obviously that's Jesus. It's a prophecy of Christ. They see it as the individual kabbalist becoming like Metatron. And you can become deified, so you can kind of become a deity through Kabbalistic practice or magic. At least that's how some of them see it.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Metatron is the one that Enoch was transferred.
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Jay Dyer
Some of them think that, yeah, we don't believe that. We think Enoch was just Enoch, but. But some of them think that Enoch became Metatron.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
to become the little God basically. Okay, can you, can you practice Talmud or can you practice Kabbalah without being ethnically Jewish?
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Jay Dyer
I mean Jews, Judaism does accept converts, but I don't think you would really be viewed as a true convert until generations down the road if your children are still Jewish. So technically you could, but you would not. You would be seen as kind of like not really Jewish.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
So we Christians, we try to convert the whole world to Christianity, to Christ. Right. Muslims do the same, the same thing. Why do you think religious Jewish people do not do it? They believe, they want people, they believe
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Jay Dyer
that the Messiah will do that and mandate the Noahide laws for the rest of the nations when the Messiah comes.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Their Messiah, the religious Jews believe that. Yeah.
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Jay Dyer
The rest of the Jews, they don't care. So the non religious Jews, they're not evangelical, they're not going to convert people. But the religious Jews don't convert people because they think the Messiah will basically subjugate the nations to Israel in the end times and force them to live by the Noahide laws.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Okay, but if, for example, if the whole country of Israel is so religious, the quote unquote, right. Religion, they know the real God, the father, why Tel Aviv is considered the gay capital of the Middle east, why there are so many atheists.
- [106:53]
Jay Dyer
It's a great question. I don't believe that it is a religious, it's. I mean, Zionism is a socialist atheist movement. So if you go to the earliest believers and pushers of Zionism, Moses Hess, Theodore Herzl, Chaim Weitzman, I mean they were at best deists or pantheists. So they're not really religious.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Not even Talmudic?
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Jay Dyer
They weren't himonic? No, they were, they were quasi religious Jews.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
So you as an Orthodox, where do you think we live right now? In what book of the Bible? In between the last book of the prior to the revelations. Because there are people that think that we live right now in either millennial era or even post millennial era, which is Satan's little season. You as Orthodox do not believe that.
- [107:45]
Jay Dyer
Right. So no Orthodox person can be a millennialist or Achilleist. You have to believe that Jesus established the kingdom at his first advent. That's why Jesus calls the Church the Kingdom. This is all throughout the Gospels. So he says. For example, in Matthew 16, I will give you, Peter, the keys of the kingdom. Whoever sends you remitted. Whoever sends you retained. They retained multiple times throughout the Gospels. He calls the Church the Kingdom. He says in Matthew 21:43, the kingdom will be taken from you and given to a nation, producing the fruits thereof to the Pharisees. So the Gentile Church which we see in the Book of Acts, the largely Gentile church in the Book of Acts is called the Kingdom. Paul calls the Church the Kingdom Israel. Peter says in 1 Peter 2, you're a holy nation, a royal priesthood. The Church is the kingdom. It is the fulfillment. So you can't have a literal millennialist view because we're 2000 years past one millennium of Christianity. So the Church is the kingdom.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Wait a minute. So you're still waiting for His Second Coming?
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Jay Dyer
Of course. You have to believe in the Second Coming.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Okay, do you have an answer why it takes him so long, 2000 years? Because according to the Bible, the whole earth is up to 6,000 years old, right? From Genesis, from the creation to Jesus, 4,000 years.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
And now 2,000 years, why we're still waiting for him. Why it takes long for him to come back 2000 years?
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Jay Dyer
Well, because in that very parable in Matthew 21, if you read Matthew 21:43 and then you compare it to Luke 21, Jesus says that this will be the case until the times of the Gentiles is fulfilled. So there is some point at which the last believer and convert will come into the church. We don't know when that is. But I mean, the longer the better. Because he's populating heaven.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Okay, so he's waiting for everyone to accept him and then he comes back.
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Jay Dyer
Well, he's not waiting for everyone. I mean, God knows all things, so he knows whenever the last believer is. But Jesus says, until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, and then all of Israel, that is Jews and Gentiles, in the Church, that number is complete.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Do you think in 2026 we're heading that way or back?
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Jay Dyer
I mean, as Orthodox, we don't typically speculate on whether we're in the end times or not. Because we began the end times.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
No, no. There are more people that turn to Christ now. Or the vice versa.
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Jay Dyer
I don't understand.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
What do you mean more and more people turn to Christ or more and more people turn to, let's say, Allah? Judaism,
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Jay Dyer
I tend to believe that the world will more and more turn to Christ before he comes back.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Because I have a theory that this is what was happening since let's say 2020 to 2021, because I converted to Christianity and I turned to Christ because I saw all the evil that is going on in the world. The whole devil worshiping right on the stage, right to your face, not even hiding it, et cetera. So I have a theory that either devil is turning the knob to a hundred, or God is turning this knob to a hundred. So more and more people turn to him. It's like when you see the evil with your own eyes. Let's say you're super atheist, you're secular, right? But you watch the 2024 Olympics opening ceremony in Paris, you see that this is mocking, right? This is satanic. This year, Milan Winter Olympics, the same stuff with the pentagram, etc, you go and see performance of let's say, Cardi B, the Weeknd, Satan, everything is red. Sam Smith. You just cannot neglect it, you just cannot deny it. So my theory goes, either God or devil is just turning the knob so it all comes faster to the end.
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Jay Dyer
Well, you could get more evil and then that lead to global repentance and revival. All these things are possible. In Romans 11, Paul says that whenever the end comes, one of the signs preceding that will be the Jews converting. So if there's a mass conversion of Jews, that's a good sign that we're in the end of the world.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Jay, on the, on my podcast I always have the same question. That is the last one, by the way.
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Jay Dyer
I keep blinking because my allergies are going crazy in California. So I apologize, I'm not like, I don't know.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Not the meth head, huh?
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Jay Dyer
No, no, it's not drugs. I just have really bad allergies.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Let's have two assumptions with you. Assumption number one is the President of the US is the most powerful human being on planet Earth. Assumption number two is you become one. You become the President of the US and you have all those secret agencies, three letter agencies at your disposal. They come to you and say, congratulations Jay, you're the President now. We as the agency, we know all the answers in the world, right? You ask us a question and we're gonna give you the answer. The truth. What would be your first question.
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Jay Dyer
Under this theoretical question? Do they know?
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
They know the truth and then they're going to tell you.
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Jay Dyer
But I mean, but only about like
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
geopoliticals stuff or like anything, aliens, God, Putin, anything.
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Jay Dyer
Is Putin the God of the aliens? I'll tile three together.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
That's a good question.
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Jay Dyer
All, I mean. Well, first of all, just, I mean, I think it would be absurd that. That the CIA would know religious. Right. Let's just. Okay, so if it was the case, I mean, I guess I would. Yeah, I would ask the theology questions first and foremost that I have, but more mundane type stuff. I mean, I'd like to really know what was going on with 9 11. I'd like to know who assassinated Charlie Kirk. I mean, I guess some of those more recent questions, because it's an intelligence agency that I'm talking to, I think would be relevant.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
But let's say they give you an answer. This group of people did 9 11. You as a president of the US as the leader of the free world. Right. Would you expose it to the public?
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Jay Dyer
Yes, probably. Because I've always been on the side of questioning and putting it out there versus like keeping things secret.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Don't you think it's can. It can cause chaos?
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Jay Dyer
It's already chaos, so anarchy. I, I mean I actually don't even think that. And we just had massive revelations from Epstein and didn't cause chaos and anarchy. So I don't even think it would.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Let's say you go on television, live television, and you say this specific group of people of this ethnicity did 9 11. Don't you think that people that saw this, they would wouldn't even say, were you the part of this group? No, no. You're out of this ethnicity bang. You're this ethnicity bang. Well, it's bang.
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Jay Dyer
We already saw that with what they said about 9 11, that Arabs did it. So all Arabs are then bad. I mean, I guess some people had that view for a while, but I don't think nowadays people have the idea that it's a collective ethnic guilt. Unless they're leftists. I think leftists tend to think in collective guilt. So they might act that way. I don't know. But I mean it's more important to have the truth out than to be concerned with. I mean, what are the possible ramifications of that question? I don't know. That's a tough question.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Jay, thank you for coming. Christ is King. Jesus Christ is the King of Kings, the Lord of Lords.
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Jay Dyer
Absolutely.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
And I always say I don't have any problems with Catholics or orthodox. I might have a problem with their churches and their doctrines. But if you worship Jesus Christ, let's say you're a Mormon but you worship Jesus. I don't have any problem with you specifically. I have a problem with the institution. So if to you, Jesus Christ is the Lord of Lords and the King of Kings, and he's the Messiah, the Son of God, and the God himself.
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Jay Dyer
Well, the problem, though, with Mormons there is that they'll say those words, but those words mean totally different things.
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Podcast Host (Interviewer)
Yeah, but if you believe this in your heart that Jesus is the King of kings, I'm good with this. God bless you.
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Jay Dyer
I appreciate it. Thank you.
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