Jay'sAnalysis: Evangelical Questions About Orthodoxy & Occult Hollywood

Host: Jay Dyer
Episode: Jay Dyer on Apollo the Original
Date: March 28, 2026

Overview

This episode features Jay Dyer in a wide-ranging, in-depth discussion about symbolism and propaganda in Hollywood, the mechanisms of social engineering, and foundational beliefs and practices of Orthodox Christianity compared to Catholicism, Protestantism, Judaism, and even the occult. The first half focuses on Hollywood’s use of symbolism, predictive programming, and elite manipulation through film and architecture. The second half tackles theological topics raised from an evangelical perspective, including the authority of scripture, Orthodox tradition, differences with other Christian confessions, the origin of Rabbinic Judaism, and the nature and goal of Kabbalah.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Hollywood, Symbolism, and Predictive Programming

The Most Symbolic Directors and Films

• Kubrick, Lynch, Aronofsky: Jay identifies Stanley Kubrick, David Lynch, and Darren Aronofsky as creators whose films are rich with symbolism, ranging from Masonic, Kabbalistic to occult and Buddhist influences (01:46).
  • Jay: “I'd say number one would probably be Kubrick. In my first book, I covered David Lynch quite a bit... and then maybe somebody like Darren Aronofsky, who is openly into Kabbalah.” (01:46)

Occult, Masonic, and Psychic Themes in Kubrick's Works

• Kubrick's Symbolism: Even if agnostic, Kubrick drew from mystical and Masonic imagery. Eyes Wide Shut drew inspiration from “sex cults” and hidden power (03:39).
  • Jay: “Kubrick was not... religious but he did pull from a lot of these images. ...Even if the directors themselves might not be committed to any religious perspective, they might be influenced by Masonic symbolism, they might be influenced by occult symbolism.” (03:39)
  • On Eyes Wide Shut: “Epstein before Epstein… since 1990s.” (04:18)

Predictive Programming in Hollywood

• Bond Franchise: Prepped audiences for the war on terror, introducing concepts decades before they became mainstream policy. The line between “good and bad” is blurred for propaganda. (06:36)
  • Jay: "One of the easiest examples is definitely the character of James Bond... you also have this international terror organization that arises in fiction decades before... the big nine event." (06:36)

Propaganda, CIA, and Hollywood

• The U.S. government, via the Pentagon and CIA, has long edited scripts to suit pro-state narratives, with open liaisons today shaping public perception (09:29).
  • Jay: "They control the dialectics, they control the propaganda, the messaging... This is not new. It's been more kind of on the down low, but nowadays they do it openly." (09:29)

Shifting Depiction of Villains & Social Engineering

• Movies now often have morally gray villains or encourage empathy with criminals (23:20).
  • Jay: “White Heat with James Cagney… the villain is somebody that you're rooting for... that set the standard... having you rooting for the organized crime figures.” (23:20)
  • On Social Engineering: “You can affect the population and invert their morals and change their ideas through pop culture. ...Hollywood is the best tool for that, of soft power.” (26:09)

Modern Comic Book and Sci-Fi Propaganda

• Comics went “woke” before movies, targeting youth culture, promoting DEI, LGBTQ themes, and idealizing world government via superhero tropes (15:19, 16:34).
  • Jay: “Comic books would be the next vector for propaganda social engineering… You could also inculcate people to live more and more as a furry more and more as their cosplay character.” (37:13)

Architecture, Aesthetics, and Psychological Impact

• Ugly, brutalist architecture (Soviet blocks, Bauhaus, modern McDonald's) as a form of “aesthetic terrorism” to break the human spirit and condition society (29:22).
  • Jay: “Architecture expresses the soul and the spirit of a people. And so if you can make the architecture ugly... it's a form of aesthetic terrorism.” (31:11)

2. Power Structures: East, West, and the Deep State

Globalist Networks: Royalty and Secret Societies

• *British Empire still wields covert power through city states (City of London, Vatican, D.C.) and via networks like the Royal Institute for International Affairs, Council on Foreign Relations, and intelligence tie-ins with Freemasonry.
  • Jay: “Freemasonry… actually functioned during the time of the British Empire. That was Britain's intelligence network.” (51:06)

Communist and Socialist Regimes as Elite Tools

• Both left and right revolutions historically financed and controlled by Western capitalists to consolidate wealth and power, from the French Revolution to Mao’s China (56:11, 57:19).
  • Jay: “Communism and socialism have always been funded by extremely wealthy western capitalists, all the way back to the French Revolution.” (57:19)
  • On Mao and Rockefeller: “David Rockefeller went to China before Nixon... wrote a famous New York Times essay... extols Maoism.” (55:32)

The Illusion and Mechanics of Democracy

• Jay argues election outcomes are often manufactured, with California and New York modeling national trends to “socialize” the rest of America (68:35, 69:24).
  • Jay: “I believe elections and democracy are fake and gay… California and New York are the two most brainwashed places… 20 years ahead and then the rest of that trickles down..." (66:43, 69:24)

Sports as Distraction and Occasional Manipulation

• Sports fulfill a “soft power” purpose and, at times, games are fixed for powerful interests (44:50).
  • Jay: “Sports is kind of gay... [and] sports are fixed…. FBI would have this guy go and consult players….” (45:03)

3. Religion & Theology: Orthodoxy, Scripture, and Interfaith Differences

On Authority, Scripture, and Tradition

• “Red letter only” Bibles are a modern invention; Orthodox see all scripture as inspired, the Bible as fundamentally liturgical. Early Christian worship drew from synagogue and Temple patterns (75:16).
  • Jay: “The entire Bible is red Letters. ...In the orthodox conception, much the way that the Jews viewed their, their texts. It's a liturgical text.” (75:16)

Liturgical Worship, Eucharist, and Icons

• Orthodox worship is patterned after heavenly worship, including the Eucharist, incense (censor), and icons, following the tradition of the apostles and Church Fathers (79:40, 90:32).
  • Jay: “When John [in Revelation] looks... what he's seeing is a heavenly liturgy… there's altar and incense and... imagery… All of that is what's happening on earth in the liturgy.” (79:40)
  • On censer/incense: “It's a censer... angel has a censer... that's why we do that… it's literally in the Book of Revelation...” (90:32)

Saints, Intercession, and Prayer

• Saints are canonized organically as local veneration spreads; praying to saints is akin to asking friends to pray for you, rooted in biblical passage (Revelation, James). Jesus as God of the Old Testament.
  • Jay: “Anybody who the church over time knows, through having the mind of Christ, lived a very holy life... and thus can intercede for us.” (82:55)
  • On asking saints to pray: “Like, obviously it's not absurd to ask someone else to pray for you. We do it all the time.” (85:57)

Orthodox/Catholic/Protestant Differences

• No Orthodox “pope”; all bishops equal. Orthodox have more Old Testament books than Protestants, follow the Septuagint. Baptism is by immersion in the Trinity (81:51, 88:32).
  • Jay: “Catholics believe the Pope is the absolute head... Orthodox Church... all bishops are equal.” (81:51)
  • On Trinity: “Orthodox Church is the only church that maintains the correct Trinity doctrine.” (88:50)
  • Baptism: “Immersion in the name of the Trinity. Sure. So Father, Son, Holy Spirit.” (88:32)

Jewish Origins, Talmud, and Kabbalah

• Modern Rabbinic Judaism defined itself in opposition to Christianity after the second century, relying heavily on Talmudic tradition and oral law. Kabbalah is essentially mystical, occult Neoplatonism and Gnosticism.
  • Jay: “Modern rabbinic Judaism is very adamant... that you must also follow the oral tradition, which is encapsulated in the Talmud.” (98:05)
  • On Kabbalah: “[Kabbalah is] their appropriation of Neoplatonism and Gnosticism.” (101:20)

Christianity and End Times

• The Orthodox view is amillennial: the Church is the Kingdom, established at Christ’s first coming. The “times of the Gentiles” are ongoing (107:45).
  • Jay: “You can't have a literal millennialist view because we're 2000 years past one millennium... The Church is the kingdom.” (107:45)

Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On Predictive Programming:
  “Bond's a great example of that... you also have this international terror organization that arises in fiction decades before... the war on terror.” (06:36)
• On Soft Power:
  “If you want to change a country, just beam 90210 and Melrose Place... That’s what Hollywood is, is a form of soft power.” (26:09)
• On Aesthetic Terrorism:
  “Architecture expresses the soul and the spirit of a people... make the architecture ugly... it's a form of aesthetic terrorism.” (31:11)
• On Saints & Intercession:
  “We don't pray to the icon. We pray to the saint that's represented in the icon.” (82:42)
• On the Modern Bible:
  “The idea of there being red letters... that's a Gideon Bible idea... The entire Bible is red letters.” (75:16)
• On Revelation:
  “When John... looks into heaven in the Book of Revelation, he sees… a liturgical service and praying for... the church on earth.” (84:17)
• On Election Skepticism:
  “I believe elections and democracy are fake and gay…” (66:43)

Key Timestamps (MM:SS)

• 01:46: Directors most packed with symbolism: Kubrick, Lynch, Aronofsky
• 03:39: Kubrick’s process, occult/Masonic influence, Eyes Wide Shut as Epstein foreshadow
• 06:36: James Bond as predictive programming, terrorism as propaganda theme
• 09:29: Operation Hollywood, government script rewrites, CIA/Pentagon propaganda
• 15:19: Marvel comics, DEI, propaganda vector for youth and sexuality themes
• 23:20: Glorification of villains, gangster films, White Heat, Godfather
• 26:09: Netanyahu on soft power, Hollywood as cultural weapon
• 29:22: Soviet, Bauhaus architecture as demoralizing tool
• 31:11: Architecture reflects and shapes national soul/spirit
• 37:13: Comic conventions, nerd culture as a future shaping vector
• 48:00: Geopolitics, WWII intelligence networks, complicity and gray areas in war
• 51:06: Freemasonry, British intelligence, power structures
• 57:19: Communism and socialism as the tool of oligarchic elites
• 75:16: Red letter Bible critique, Bible as liturgical text in Orthodoxy
• 79:40: Orthodox liturgy as "heaven on earth"; icons, incense, beauty
• 82:42: Prayer to saints; distinction from worship, rational and biblical roots
• 88:32: Orthodox baptism, Trinity doctrine, marriage ritual
• 93:25: Deuterocanonical (Septuagint) texts; Old Testament canon disputes
• 98:05: Talmud and Rabbinic Judaism's split from early Christianity
• 101:20: Jewish Kabbalah as appropriated Gnosticism/Neoplatonism
• 107:45: Orthodox eschatology – Church as Kingdom, rejection of dispensationalism/millennialism
• 112:07: Hypothetical—President asks intelligence agencies the “ultimate question”
• 115:15: On Christian unity – doctrine vs. personal faith in Christ

Flow & Tone

Jay Dyer maintains a conversational yet analytical tone, balancing scholarly references with cultural commentary and humor (“fake soy face,” “sports is kind of gay”). The hosts frequently blend abstract theory and real-world examples, moving effortlessly from the architecture of McDonald’s to explanations of mystical theologies. Dyer provides lengthy, coherent answers, often tying back modern phenomena to deep historical or ideological roots. The dialogue is engaging, insightful, and accessible, perfect for those seeking intellectual depth combined with practical application—whether on geopolitics, pop culture, or faith.

Section Recap

• Hollywood & Society: Films shape society via symbolism and propaganda, often at the behest or direction of elite power structures; aesthetic ugliness as psychological weapon.
• Deep State & Power: True power runs through transnational, often occult, institutions—far above political figureheads and party politics.
• Orthodox Christianity: Emphasizes the continuity and “heavenly” nature of Orthodox liturgy, saints, tradition, and scriptural authority, distinguishing itself sharply from both Catholic and Protestant approaches.
• Judaism & Kabbalah: Modern Judaism is driven by Talmudic (oral law) rather than just biblical text; Kabbalah is a syncretic, mystical tradition drawing on non-biblical roots.

Final Takeaway

This episode provides an uncompromising look at how both art and power have shaped—and continue to shape—our collective imagination, beliefs, and cultural direction, while also allowing for a rigorous, historically grounded conversation about faith, tradition, and truth in the modern age.