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Freemason Hit Squads, CIA “EXTREMIST” MOMS & The Great SCHISM ｜ Jay Dyer & Tim Gordon
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Sa. She is a woman. You let one ant stand up to us, then they all might stand up. Those puny little ants outnumber us 100 to 1. And if they ever figure that out, there goes our way of life. It's not about food. It's about keeping those ants in line. That's why we're going back. Does anybody else want to stay?
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Let's ride.
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It's my last chance to bail. It's my last chance. Oh, no. I put myself on camera now. Now I have to go through with this. That's, that's, that's the. What I give myself every night, give myself the leeway every night. You could still back out of this, but the moment you go on camera, it's over. Then you just have to suffer through it. That's it. Now you guys have to suffer through it too. We're back for the Last day in March 2026 at 7 o' clock on the schnoz. And I am your host. My name is Frank. Been doing this for a long time and if this is your first time watching me, then welcome. You have a lot to get caught up on. Very exciting stuff. Very, very exciting stuff. I hope everybody's feeling gay this evening. As we were saying last night, we are going to be reclaiming the word gay. That was at Willy's urging that we have to reclaim the word and make it mean happy again. Joyous and happy. So I hope all is gay. Anyway, tonight, actually in just a couple of minutes we're going to have our friends Timothy Gordon and Jay Dyer with us. It's been a long time. I think actually it might have been last April that we had both them on and you know, we talked to them on their own and all that stuff. But I love when we get the boys together for a night and they've had a couple of big, well watched debates with each other over the last year. One at I think Tim Pool, they might have done one or two with Tim Pool and then another one I think with Eliza Schaefer in Florida sometime last August or September. I don't know what it was, but they've had, they've had a lot of time doing their thing and I love, I love listening to those debates. I really do. They do me a lot of good because it's a, I'm, I'm glad that a lot of people are looking for these kinds of mental exercises. It's you, you hear history that you don't get anymore. And it also has something to do with the supernatural, which is really great. We talk about eternity and our entry into eternity, punching our ticket into eternity. And it'll be nice to talk to them both right here in Holy Week. And that'll be happening in a couple minutes. First thing I want to say is to all of our friends in Canada, I've been watching just in my peripheral vision here, what's going on with Alberta? There's an independence movement that's going on out there, I guess, much like what. What we get in Texas every 10 or 12 years. So Alberta's independence or separatism movements, so I've been reading, are recurring expression of Western alienation. All right, this is all being taken from Wikipedia. I want to lead with that. First, the widespread feeling in Alberta and sometimes other prairie provinces that Ottawa doesn't understand or respect their economic interest, especially oil, gas, resources. Well, on as of right now, on March 31st, we've got a group called the Alberta Prosperity Project. Many of you have been emailing me, Frank, we're getting closer. Stay free. Alberta as well launched a citizen petition for a referendum on a straight up independence. The question, do you agree that the province of Alberta should cease to be a part of Canada to become an independent state, they needed 177, 732 signatures. That's 10% of eligible voters by May 2. As of March 30, organizers claim they've hit the threshold and will submit for verification by elections. By the elections. If validated, it could force the question onto a provincial referendum ballot, possibly October 2026. Now there's a counter petition, Alberta Forever Canada, with hundreds of thousands of signatures opposing the separation. God, they're just wet blanket bastards everywhere. Everywhere. They're all the same retards. They just have different accents. Just different accents, different flavors. They carry different flags sometimes a lot of them are carrying the same flags no matter where they live. But. But yeah, I'm looking at it. The polls are showing that you guys are a little bit of a minority. But listen, loud minorities have done a lot. Hold on, wait. Just have to make sure that everybody knows that their. Their zoom call, their zoom link is in their Twitter DMS. Opposition is. 60 to 70% say that they would vote to stay. Many definitely stay. So listen, I'm. I'm pulling for you guys. I really am. Like I said, I'm. I'm all. I'm. I'm all for all secession movements. Even when California was saying, I'd like to secede in 2016 and all the other times that they got their panties up in a bunch out there. All the Democrats out there. It's a great. That'd be wonderful. That'd be wonderful. Not even just from a, you know, dead weight standpoint. And it'd actually be the most patriotic thing that California could do is to secede. It would be wonderful. A wonderful precedent that has been reestablished that has of course been wiped away in the 1860s with the, the million, the million people who lost their lives over here for what is a very basic American principle of secession. What the hell was the American Revolution? So. So yeah, I don't know. I'm pulling for you guys in Alberta, but who knows, other than that. JD Vance warns that UFOs could be demons flying around the Earth. We'll be talking about this at some point, maybe tomorrow. We're gonna do a lot of demon stuff, the, the Atlas stuff because we have. We'll have Matt from Cultivate Elevate coming on in the first half. So we'll be able to do a lot of fun, fun outside of the box stuff. Of course I think he'll just laugh at it because I know that he doesn't think that space is what they say it is either. But either way it'll be a nice Wednesday night over here. What? Rabbit Hole Wednesday. It's coming back. At least for tomorrow night. Vice President J.D. vance speculated that UFOs could actually be demons flying around the earth, contending that ancient civilizations believe that they had encountered with such vile creatures. I don't think that they're aliens, I think they're demons. But that's a long discussion. He said there are other things that are getting around right now. And I gotta say again, I'm in one of those phases where. All the same rules apply as picking what kind of movie I'm going to go to the theater and watch. If it has bad reviews from all the people that I don't like, then I know it's probably worth seeing. The same thing goes for UFO or any other kind of disclosures coming from the government. And when everybody starts using the word demonic over and over again, it just becomes something that is just so commonly used now on even a governmental level. We had the vice president talking about. I don't think that they're actually. I think they're. I think it's demonic. I think it's demonic. It's such a weird catch all. And even that turns me off. Okay. Because what the hell? They actually gonna tell us again that they were, they were the, the barrier, they were the prophylactic to keep us from Being exposed to the demonic and that the demonic just likes to, you know, just like to do these figure eights in the sky. How demonic? That is just very scary stuff. Doesn't have to be scary, Frank. It just has to be deceptive. I get it. But too many of the people, too many people in too many prominent positions are saying things that used to be relegated to just us, you know, our conversations and chat rooms and message boards and image boards. So we'll talk about that tomorrow. Maybe we'll put some polls up in the chat room, we'll take some of your calls, and we'll see where the hell you guys are all at with this stuff. And there and that. And there's that. Okay, let's see here. What else do we have? All right, now this is the big. This is the big thing that we have to read about a little bit tonight. French MASONIC LODGE French Masonic LODGE at the heart of murky murder trial this is from RTL today, 22 people went on trial in France on Monday on charges of murder and other serious crimes centered on members of a Masonic lodge accused of running hit squads. Okay, we're talking about. Now the real question is, who are they? Were they taken out? Who's giving them the orders? What is this? Is it just really just murder for hire? Or is this a militive wing of some kind of a political apparatus, Some unseen political thing, an organization? Are they going out there and conducting geopolitical operations on behalf of an. Of a, you know, of a fraternal order that has been at the center of. Of almost every major conspiracy theory and conspiracy confirmed for God knows how many hundreds of years now? Well, we know anyway. Those in the dock include four military personnel from France's Foreign Legion and two police officers, a retired domestic intelligence officer, a security guard and two business executives. They are accused of the murder of a racing driver. Doesn't seem too prominent there. What was a racing driver up to that he had to get clipped? The attempted murders of a business coach and trade unionist. They didn't actually do that. They weren't successful. Aggravated assault and criminal conspiracy all on behalf of a mafia network inside the former Athanor Masonic Lodge in Paris suburb of Puto. I hope I said that right. Can't stand France in all their names. Several freemasons from the 20 or so member lodge are on the dock. Most of the accused, aged between 30 and 73 have no previous criminal records. The alleged ringleaders are Anthor Freemasons, Jean Luc Bagor and Frederick Valh and Daniel Baliolu Balu, Bulou, Blue Buliu. They face life in jail if convicted. The. The French, they don't even. I mean, even this, you're running murder for hire, and they don't even have the death penalty for that. I know that they got rid of, you know, the. The guillotine officially in, what, the 1960s, the 1970s. I understand you finally got rid of the guillotine. Just a tr. A tradition you couldn't kick. But now they can't even. They can't even pull the trigger on getting rid of hitmen. So does Beuliu's right hand man. Sigh of 2020, when two members of the military were arrested in possession of weapons near the home of business coach Marie Helene Dini. Under questioning, they said that they thought that they had been asked to murder Deeney on behalf of the French state on the grounds that she worked for Israeli spy agency Mossad. The Mossad, huh? All right, well, I mean, that in and of itself is interesting, but the botched. The botched, you know, the, the assaults and everything else, that, that's. It makes you wonder to what degree, what level are these people really operating on? And is it. Is it just for fun at this point there too, we understand that there's bigger. There's bigger fish to fry, even for freemasons. Who do we have on the line right now? Is it Jay Dyer? Oh, hold on, wait a second. Jay shows up with the synth wave? Jay, is that you?
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It is me. I'm sorry, let me. Let me mute when I'm not talking. I'm sorry. But yeah,
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see, Jay's on the road right now. He's on a monster tour of podcasts. And, and he's just. He's just getting back to his dwelling at the moment, so I think we're just gonna have him on with. With audio. But still, it's great to have you on, man. Jay, you actually on a, Like I said, a pretty big tour. What kind of shows have been hit? I saw you on with a few. Few biggies just recently, but tell everybody what, what you're up to right now.
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Yeah, man.
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Appreciate that. We've done about 17 or 18 podcast shows in the past four weeks. We did a Tim Cast, uh, double appearance, the debate with Tim. Uh, we did Stefan Molyneux interview. We did Alex Jones, we did, uh, Hodge Twins. We did Jesse Lee Peterson, Jamie Kennedy, Sam Tripoli, John Kiriakou. It's just been a. A wild, non stop whirlwind. Whirlwind.
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Yeah. Well, that. When. I mean, just it's one of these days I gotta get both of you guys up into the studio over here in Westchester. That would be awesome. That really would be. And yeah, yeah, we, we gotta, we gotta. And Timothy just joined us right now too. Tim, how you doing?
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Yo, what's up, guys? Good to see you, Frank.
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It's good to see you. So I guess I'll have Tim up and we'll have Jay on the, on the line. Hold on, I'll move him over here too. Well, hey, let's start with both of you guys because on, on the, on the Freemason thing because I, I wanted, I want to know where you guys come up with this. Jay, you, I mean, you guys both really come at this from a, a Vatican level there too. You come at it from geo, just basic geopolitical posturing at this point. What do you think about everything we know about the, the latest of this Freemason story? There is botched assaults. They weren't very good at their job, but they got a couple people killed I guess here too. And some of it had to do with trying to cleanse France of some Mossad agents. So, Jay, what are your thoughts on this? What have you done so far?
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Yeah, I think this is interesting because it really vindicates the assessment that I've had for a good while about what Freemasonry is and how it functions really overlaps with intelligence agencies. It overlaps with the state. You know, the British Empire used the Freemasonic networks as their spy agency. And I think we have a window into an example of this here in the case of France with a sort of Masonic mafia, as they called it, that was engaged in espionage, that was engaged in a form, even a false flag recruitment. And that is basically when people are recruited into working for what they believe is some intelligence agency, but they're actually working on the behalf of somebody else or something else. And so it seems like there's a lot of manipulation going on. And this Masonic network here had recruited people to do dirty work, including assassinations and hits under the guise that they were working for the French intelligence establishment. But here's the thing, they actually could have been. So this could have been a clever way for the governments to sort of distance themselves from the sort of dirty work that goes on. There's a lot of precedence for that. And say Operation Gladio, where you were expected to join the P2 Masonic Lodge to be part of the Gladio terror network. So this is very similar to a kind of a Gladio style structure operation. But I think that in this case it could go either way because they actually did have former so called French intelligence operatives involved in this. And they could literally have been really working for the state, the French intelligence superstructure or they could have been false flag recruits. Either way, it's a fascinating window into really demonstrating, improving what I've been saying about Masonry for so long.
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Yeah. And you guys would both, I would have to agree that this is, you know, these are how these fraternal networks as a, as a structure, as a structural feature of intelligence services actually functions. It's not an aberration. This is, you would just, you would lean into that way of thinking that this is not an aberration. These are not just people that were figured they can pick up some chump change and maybe do some high, high value contracts. That this is actually a feature, not a, not a bug.
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I would say this is normal procedures. I mean, certainly not every American, you know, Bible Belt Masonic Lodge, that's just. The Blue Lodge is going to be functioning at this high of a capacity. But really Masonry is like a tiered fraternal structure that only really raises people to the higher levels to do these types of things when they give the psychological profile that they're willing to do these kinds of things. So there's kind of like profane, you know, granddaddy at the local lodge drinking beer type Masonry, which is, I mean, still, you know, a secret society that's subversive and anti Christian. But I don't think you're going to be involved in this kind of stuff unless you're, you know, sort of raised up into the higher levels. And again, it's just, it's very illustrative because even Albert pike says in morals and dogma that the lower levels are deceived and they're lied to about what Masonry really is. And this kind of a story, which is not unique, there's many cases if you go back to the William Morgan incident, which in America resulted in the anti Masonic party, you could see that there's a consistent pattern of this kind of stuff with Masonic lodges being used by darker, satanic or even by illuminous Jacobins. In fact, you know, Weishaupt himself said that he would utilize the existing Masonic networks for his revolutionary secret society and also by intelligence operatives as well.
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Tim, anything you want to add to that? Because of course this is. You often hit on Freemasonry from the angle that, you know, the church's historical prohibition on membership. Of course it pops up anytime we get into whether it is Published worked of fiction faction non fiction. Just how they're they. They often pop up and still are in the mix of so many things on that level from a deep church level as well.
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Let's just say your average listener is plagued by incredulity because it, it is a bit of a leap, a conceptual leap when we consider that like, I don't know, the, the average blue mason, Blueman sonic dork that, that, that people know in their neighborhood with a little G on the back of their truck doesn't seem capable of fasting for six hours, let alone, you know, carrying off hits and stuff because they're not high level masons. And I would, I would say you have to get over this kind of allergen because secret societies are organized in such a fashion to cover up the important stuff. And it's really Pareto principle. The important stuff is really, you know, the, the, the 81st and above percentile. So blue blue masons are people that are kind of basic American fat suburbs dorks that drive around with the G on their car. Even, even actually there's a dude there at Tim Pool. When me and Jay were debating, we ended up having a bit of a laugh. He thought it could be a Protestant guy and, and a mason too I think is called himself Lore Lodge. This should be gotten over because it's, it's part of what's meant to disarm you about the basic structure of secret societies writ large. I've been revisiting Frank, the P2 thing, the entire propaganda due a set of claims about the church infiltration into our Holy Roman Catholic church in the second half of the 20th century, particularly the claims made by Malachi Martin, but others besides him as well. There's, there's really a lot of evidence, more than I thought a couple of years ago when we read his book together in a reading group. There's a lot of evidence that in my view is mounting that P2 actually did. Was able at some points of the latter half of the 20th century to infiltrate the, the Roman Curia and
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all
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but, but surround the Pope with the men that had been foretold the century before that the Pope would be surrounded. Guys were in the P2 lodge, the, one of the highest lodges in all of Europe, the Italian Lodge, who would do expressly anti Catholic things in the name of the Roman Curia. So that's actually, I want to have you on my show with a guest that, that we've interviewed before who, who's going to be pointing out really, really, really fresh stuff about it and you know, see see from there. But, but the, the P2 always catches my ear because that is not your, your low level blue Masonic dork stuff. This is the high level powerful stuff where, where things actually happen.
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Okay. Yeah, well, I, I, I'm interested in all this. It really, I, I really am. And it's, it's cr. It's incredible that we're going to see have a three month trial, especially with this France situation, is that the trial is going to be about three months. I wonder what's going to pop up along the way. I know Jay, you'll be, you'll be keeping close. T is that is learned by the public in discovery or anything like that. And, and I, I want to hear more about it, you know, on that. As far as geopolitical and gladio and, and everything else that we deal with on a day to day basis. I do want to ask something of you guys that, that may bring you both together on, on a, on a concept of just war. I know that, that Jay, there's, you guys don't have like a form. Orthodox Church doesn't have like a formal just war theory like the Catholic Church does, I believe. But I have to imagine that on a, on a moral, a moral evaluation of war, you guys are probably going to have a lot of, a lot in common. What's going on right now in Iran is pretty interesting. I can't imagine that both, either of you are really into it or see the value in it, I don't know. But Jay, let's start with you. How are you really reading what's going on in Iran right now?
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Well, let me say that first of all, I think that Tim and I would probably be on absolutely the same page on most of the stuff, including everything that Tim said about masonry and P2 and all that. Totally agree. Don't have any disagreements there. I think the classical sort of Byzantine state model attitude towards warfare, the way the Byzantine emperors engaged in warfare, the way that Russian czars engage in the warfare, from an Orthodox perspective, we would probably have some version of just a just war that would be the same. So I don't think we would totally, we would have much disagreement on these, these basic ideas. I think that it gets very fuzzy. If you want to try to justify preemptive strikes, there would have to be some very dire necessitating causes for why that would be the case. For example, if you were about to have some sort of serious, serious imminent threat that you knew about, maybe that could justify a preemptive attack or strike. But typically speaking, it's not. It's not something that's justified. So I don't think that that's really anything to do with what's going on in Iran. This is really just the Greater Israel Project, something that I've been talking about for many, many years. Maybe Even going back 15, 15 years, a decade or so. We've done podcasts about Oded yanon back in 19, early 1980s. It was the foreign policy guy for Ariel Sharon. And this was the idea that Israel would be better off if they were to expand massively and create what they called microstates throughout the Middle east at that time. So Iran is just one of many of these projects that the United States has been the bitch of Israel to engage in for a long time. So you can read the clean break strategy that Netanyahu put out in the 1990s where they really talked about this destabilization in multiple countries. This matches up loosely to Wesley Clark's seven nation plan that he saw at the Pentagon after 9 11. After 911 we've basically been doing the same types of Middle Eastern operations that Israel wanted at the behest of Israel and the neocons. So that's really what this is. And it's kind of also repeat of the 1950s, which when they overthrew the Shah, this was the CIA's Operation Ajax run by Kermit Roosevelt to install, excuse me, they went through Mossadegh to install the Shah. That was a failed CIA operation because they then had to make a deal with the Ayatollah Kashani after him after he failed. And then there was subsequent deals made with the Ayatollahs after that. So what we have is just simply regime change at that time being done for British intelligence and the Rothschilds and the Anglo Iranian Oil Company, which would become bp. And nowadays it's the same type of regime change revolution operations for the Greater Israel Project. Because we basically do whatever Bibi says, right? And Bibi was bragging like 20 years ago, well, America will do whatever we want them to do. So that's what it is.
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It's almost as if we had Bibi calling in for a second. That was wonderful. I love.
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I'm actually in Israel right now.
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I was gonna say, you know, you should call if you call. If you call in with. With no, with just audio more often. You do the impressions. I swear to God, it'd be dead ringers.
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You know what's so funny? Look up the clip where he says you can find on YouTube, look up Benjamin Netanyahu and 90210 Melrose Place and attend 20 years ago. He's talking to Congress and he's like, if you really want to change Iran, beam Melrose Place on 90210 and Hollywood will change the culture of Iran.
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9021 off.
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No, he actually, he's saying that basically Hollywood is soft power.
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Yeah.
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To create cultural revolutions.
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Oh, I'm going to find that after we get off the air later on. No doubt about it. Tim, anything on, on just war theory? Because obviously I did not think that any of you, you or Jay were going to say that there was anything here that would actually be considered just war. I thought, I actually thought it was a little head scratching when Pope Leo yesterday, I think said that God doesn't listen to the prayer of those who wage war. And I'm saying to myself, what, what were the, the Crusades? I, I mean, I don't, I don't understand. I was just thinking about that. It's like, thank God for the Crusades. But. So there's, there's something that was a head scratcher, but at the same time. Yeah, no, I don't, I don't believe that this was, I don't, doesn't look like a just war to me.
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I'm hoping we can bracket into what he said, a just war. Because obviously the Old Testament and New Testament is so replete with holy, justified wars that heaven smiles on. But, but just wars, if, if you substitute it for what he was saying, this is absolutely the standard for what, what Christians should hope for. Just wars can be great things and the war in Iran so clearly is not. And you know, I've been really happy to reconnect with Ed Faser, Catholic, one of the greatest living English language philosophers, Thomistic philosophers, who has a popular repute over, you know, his critiques of the Trump admin on this. It just is a fail for just war. Depends on how you parse it. But really we would say, as Thomas, that it's got six, six prongs. And the prongs are. It's got to be a last resort. This is a, a major fail for a last resort. Right. Second prong is. It's got to be a just cause major fail because it's the Greater Israel Project. I just sent you something, Frank, if you wanted to just show the metastasization of the Greater Israel Project. I think I texted it to you on the screen. It's, it's really nice. It shows year by Year, just this cancer spreading of the Greater Israel project does not constitute by a long shot a just cause. Out of the medieval tradition of just wars. Third prong, valid authority. A war must arise out of not just valid authority, but a consistent policy or principle. Maybe it passes this one prong for what constitutes a just war. Fourthly, probable success. There's no real success in the Middle east when we're talking about kicking out the people that have been there for two millennia and repopulating them. If we're talking about the west bank or something like that with foreigners that have mostly Eastern European DNA, if we, if we check the charts. So I would say one's a fail, two's a fail, maybe you get valid authority. Check on 3, 4 is a fail for probable success. Proportionality, you know, cutting off the heads of babies. If you're looking at settlers on the west bank, they're, they're going around killing Christians and Muslims. No, no proportionality. The force used here is not at all proportionate. It's never proportionate form against force, against women or children, and no more than necessary. Come on, that's, that's a overwhelming failure on the fifth prong. And the sixth prong is you have to have some sort of exit strategy. This is a newer addendum that has been, you know, that was presumptively tacit in the Thomistic formulation, but I think it makes sense to add this idea of exit strategy as well. And it's got to be fought fairly and quickly as possible. And if recent American neoconservative Jewish wars have been, have proven anything over the last 40 to 60 years, it's that we never have an exit strategy in military industrial complex guarantees, if anything, that these wars have staying power long beyond the stated purpose of the war. Well, I would say.
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I, I would, I would, I would, I would defer back to Jay on that one there too. Ye. The exit strategy is usually a financial one for whoever is making the, whoever's making off with the, you know, the gladio loot. And whether we're talking about Vietnam or Afghanistan, you know, we're talking about protracted operations that somebody's benefiting from. But what, what the general public is being pitched on is definitely not, you know, bearing fruit, but somebody's benefiting from that. And it usually is some dark account and streams of money and usually the trillions of dollars, especially when it involves drugs, I noted on all that stuff. So I have to imagine that we are on the same page there. That's, I want to move on to this one new brave new world kind of a thing. You guys are talking about women before there too. And this is something that CIA related. It was not too long ago where we have it over here. I saw that it was an, it was an October 2021 CIA document and it's been getting around now. I've been saving it for a couple of weeks so that I had you guys on Women Advancing white Racially Ethnically motivated Violent extremists. This was flagged the prioritization of motherhood and homemaking. This was flagged by the CIA, I think recently, just as recently in February of 2026, John Ratcliffe, who's at the CIA, the director right now, retracted it as one of I think 18 or 19 intelligence products that were pulled due to bias. And inside of this it's talking about how women who prioritize motherhood and homemaking as it are, are showing potential indicators of racially and ethnically motivated violence extremism. So any kind of sympathy toward that. Specifically cited groups who lauded these are, this is quote here, lauded motherhood and homemaking as a woman's most important responsibility. And you know, obviously you guys can talk about this as ever, you know, Tim, you've, you've published on, on the Patriarchy. Jay, you are also very, you know, you have a lot of output on this stuff, broadcasting breakdowns. You were talking about intelligence and counterculture. You can get into all of that, but specifically from a brave new world area. Jay, because we read that book together. The family unit itself is a threat to the state. Motherhood becomes an obscenity in that world. It's just crazy to see this being retracted by the CIA, which obviously that can change the tides every four years. So it's crazy that this is just, it's there for anybody to read and it's real.
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Yeah, there was a article written a few years ago in what's called the American Affairs Journal and they were talking about the CIA and its history of ideology amongst kind of the members and its ethos. It's called the CIA and the New Dialect of Power by River Page. And I recommend reading that because the article argues that the CIA was never really a quote, right wing institution, even though for a long time it was popular amongst the left, the mainline left, to characterize that during the Cold War as some sort of like far right fascist institution. And they usually point to things like, oh well, you have, you know, some of these William Casey era Templars who are Roman Catholic tradcats amongst the CIA. You have William Colby Tradcat in the CIA. Yeah, but they weren't really expressing the overall ethos of the CIA because it was always a leftist institution. In fact, the way that they wanted to fight the Soviets was not by returning to some paleo conservative ideology. The fight against the Soviets was waged through postmodern alliance with the French New Left, which they brag about. Postmodernism became the ethos of the CIA during the Cold War to fight Soviet cosmism and Soviet objectivism. So you have to understand that it's not a right wing versus left wing thing. They were always using liberalism as the key element to win the Cold War. That's why, for example, if you watch Yuri Bezmanov, who people love to tout as if he's some sort of like, awesome, you know, cold warrior figure, right wing guy, if you watch the full interviews, he says stuff like, we're only going to win the Cold War when we have gay rights in the Eastern bloc countries.
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So it's like, well, I, I see. I think people miss that. Yeah, absolutely.
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No, he's not. So that's, that's because the CIA is a sort of postmodern liberal institution. It always has been. It was anti Soviet, it was never anti liberal. And that's the key point that people always misunderstand in terms of dialectics. So, no, it's only natural that they would evolve from that ideology into woke. I mean, WOKE is the next logical step out of like postmodern ideology, which again, I think in my second book, the first chapter deals with the CIA making alliances with Derrida, postmodernist, Jesuit postmodernists, Foucault, all those guys were literally working with the CIA in the Cold War. And people don't know that. And you say, well, why would they work with them? Because they thought that was a better method of defeating the Soviet ideology, which is also atheistic. But the Soviet and the Stalinist ideology was not. It's not liberal, it's anti liberal. And by liberal, I mean classical liberal ethos and ideology. Laissez faire, open borders, free markets, all those ideas that come out of sort of the libertarian ethos. And this is why libertarianism, which was supported by the CIA, typically leads to WOKE ideology. That's why the CIA and the Libertarian Party today is woke up. They're like trans, pro trans, all that nonsense. So it's only logical that the CIA and the NSA themselves, like, I mean, they were putting out trans ads a few years ago, like, oh, we're so awesome because we recruit Trans. And you know, we. We do all the rainbow flag stuff. See how woke we are. That's the logical result of the American leftist ethos.
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A
Yes, absolutely. And I remember those ads. That was incredible, the CIA ads. And it's. It was just like every person there was just talking on how they're. They're emotionally crippled in one way or another. I was like, I. Like this person is gonna be behind some kind of a.
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C
Imagine like. Like what is the. It's so bizarre to think that like your identity or equating intelligence with like putting your penis in the poopole. It's just. Dude, I'm so sick.
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A
I know, I know. I. It's. Well, that's what I say it. When it comes down to everything, the. The act that's put on top of what is really just a very crude push for. For some. I don't know, it's just. It's all so crude.
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C
It's actually the brave new world though, Frank. Like the. The reason that this is all pushed is because it is what we read in our book club with you. Brave new world. That's. That's why.
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A
Yes. And. And Tim, your thoughts on this here too. Just from the standpoint of everything you've published. I mean, this. This document opera operationalizes did the state's analytical apparatus that almost like pathologizes the biological family.
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C
And
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in many ways, I mean it's ostensibly about race. The document, but the actual surveillance trigger was domestic role adoption and not ideology. It was just something. So it wasn't even talking about whether or not this particular woman who is voting for one. One way or another when she goes into the voting booth. It wasn't even about political ideology. It was more so about how in line with nature is she. And so, you know, it's not. Wasn't like violent actors. It was really building a profile on a type of woman. And yeah, it's a building block for some scary Huxley type of stuff here. So what do you have to say about that?
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B
Interrogate whether or not it's shame or force that the COVID left uses in the United States, I guess, and reinterrogate whether it's shame or force that are the primary motivate used by the left to force women out of the home and into the workplace. There was an important recorded dialogue between Betty Friedan and Simone de Beauvoir In I think 1975, 74 or 75. And Simone de Beauvoir was French, obviously, and of the old guard, heralding the view that, look, we're French, we don't have the exact same. We have, we, we love libertas, but we don't have the same connection to it. As a 1970s American, we advocate for French feminism by force. Force women through regulation, actual legislation and threats by the government to get out of the home and into the workforce. And, and Betty Friedan, young Jewess who, who looked up to the Beauvoir, said, well, of course, you know, that doesn't work in America. In America in the mid-70s, women are going to have to be shamed into the workforce from the home. And I think most Americans still have this kind of team America. Yeah. View of us and world policing. And they, they have a generally triumphalistic center right view of us. Even, even leftists, I think even feminists would have this and they'd say, yeah, we don't. We have too much liberty here to go for the Simone de Beauvoir. And everything you're saying about, you know, that you produced with the Biden dog proves that it's not that way. Actually. Left, right, center in America, you're wrong if you assume that they, you know, the, the crypto lab, the shadow left, feels above using outright coercion and force to get women out of the workforce, out of the home and into the workforce, or the women who are returning to the home, they're not above using force to, to keep them in the workforce now that they've, they've left the home for the workforce. So I think it's just, it's really important that I said interrogate it. Reinterrogate your own assumptions, gentle listener, as, as to what you think the American government will do, what it will stoop to, to keep women in the workforce. They have, like I think Nick Rockefeller said, Jay talks about this frequently to his buddy. You know, they have two major incentives for keeping women out of the home and in the workforce. And it's double the taxation scheme. And of course, the big one is controlling hearts and minds of both women and the children that will be forced out of the homes. As the women are forced out of the homes, women have, or children have to go to daycare when women have to. They decide they want to go to work. So I think it's really important that people realize it's not just shame that American feminism uses the way that a lot of people have read that dialogue. The paradigm is actually both, and it's belt and suspenders. It's shame plus force.
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A
Well, you know, and, and Jay, you can, you can respond to this here too. That's why I still, I don't watch political rallies. I don't watch when people. When one campaigner, like, I can't tell you the last time I watched a Trump rally and all the times that he has been out there campaigning either for a midterm or his own, his own presidency. I can't watch that. I barely watch anything that is very. But I do watch, I do watch. No King's Day man on the street stuff like whenever that. When I realized that they were out there protesting again over the past week. I do watch that stuff. Whenever it comes up. I'll. I'll note it and I just. It's so, it's so revealing. You're not going to learn anything from people. But as far as being able to really examine how people, an animal reacts after so much inundation from the state, from whatever the hell they're, they're whatever the, the. The baseline programming they got in school or anything else. It's crazy to see what, how people are functioning just as humans right now and what they are trying to articulate, what they have no choice to articulate, but they are still running on someone else's programming and you can't reach them like that. That's. That's a. That's really frustrating. So I'm glad that we all have a good sense of humor because everything we discussed here tonight is really just the way that it comes to fruition and the way that it comes to the surface in, in average people who are at least, you know, they get. They're driven out into the streets whenever somebody snaps their fingers. I mean, you can see the programming is just.
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B
It.
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A
It's not. That's irreversible stuff. What do you. Jay, real quick on that before we get to the last topic of the night.
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B
Wait. Sense of humor. I would say the litmus test is anybody that doesn't crack a smile when, when one of us up here says put the penis in the poop hole. I don't want to. I just had to said that and I'm like smiling like a goon.
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A
I, I tried funny.
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B
And if you think that's serious, then I don't want to hang out with you, man.
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A
I gotta go.
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C
But I mean, like, I'm serious. It blows my mind that if you just stop and think for a minute about like identity and imagine making that your identity. Just disgusting. Like my identity is getting on my dick from some other dude's butthole. That's. That's me. That is my identity. How dare you. It's Just so bizarre and weird. And it has to be demonic. Right? And that's essentially why we say that it's an unnatural act. So I don't know. It's just. It doesn't. It's. The funny thing about that document is that the very thing that supposedly the CIA was warning about in the Cold War that would happen if the Soviets and the communists took over America is exactly what that new. That CIA document that you're talking about that got retracted. That's exactly what that is. And that. Crazy.
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A
Yeah. You know, it's funny. J. Before we get on to this last thing here, I'm going through a. I'm going through what is going to be at least two years worth of work on my personal archives that I've had to take off the Internet several times when the purging around here started getting so bad. And the one thing that I'm having the really amazing, you know, privilege of doing is revisiting all of these incredible classic interviews and guest appearance that I was. Appearances. I. I've done with people. And you. Between the Jay Dyer and Timothy Gordon appearances, I mean, I can have full playlists just dedicated to you guys showing up. It's just awesome to see these shows throughout the years. And what I. The reason why I'm bringing this up right now is because there was a time not too long ago that Jay was very, very reserved with. With how he would say certain things or everything. And you still do it. Tiny mustache man. But you know that. That's one of my favorites.
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C
But, you know, that's just YouTube dude. Normally, obviously we would talk like normal dudes talk.
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A
No, I. Absolutely, absolutely. But I love. I love how it's almost like right now it doesn't even matter anymore. Kind of letting loose a little bit, you know, Skittles this, Skittles that. But now we're just going full on. On dick. But anyway, let's. Let's just go.
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C
Isn't that disgusting to make some, like a vile vice is the identity. Isn't that bizarre? So it's not your heritage, it's not your tradition, it's not your family, your. Your race, your religion, your identity is like, has to do with feces.
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A
But. And. And this is the. The reason why I hate it. I hate it so much where we are right now. Because you know what? I don't. I don't really obsess over how people. How people live. I just want to take care of what's in. What's in front of me. But it is that Thing that is just so debasing to encourage people to prioritize these things and have to be able to put it out in front of you whenever you walk, walk into a room. Because how else would you be able to just to differentiate yourself from anybody else? You have to be.
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C
But what, what I'm saying though, is that it's been engineered to become an identity.
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A
Yes.
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C
And the social engineers have been very perceptive at being able to sell a vice as a thing that identifies you, which is just bizarre to me. But anyway, I didn't mean to derail into that.
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A
No, no, no. It's, it's all part of everything else here. We're talking about subversion of society. And what, what, what happens every time I see one of those, those pride flags that continue to, they continue to become more and more like kaleidoscopes. There's, every year there's new sections and new shapes that are, they're becoming so fragmented and crazy. But whenever I see one of those flags in its latest form, that's all I think about. What is it? What are we really talking about? What are you really, what are you really signaling to the world? And it's, it's sick. It's sick that everybody wants to stay on the, on the, the top level of that. Anyway, here's something I want to, here's something that might bring us all together. Maybe not. You guys have had some very well viewed debates over the last couple years debating Catholic Orthodox teachings, history, you know, and it's, it's wonderful to, to watch people really enjoy that. It's, we're learning more than we did in school. But what I haven't heard you guys discuss enough, and I don't know, maybe I just missed it, was what the bare minimum criteria are that would need to be agreed upon for there to be some acceptable communion between the churches again. Because I know it isn't all about papal authority. So I have some questions. For example, I had a person write into the show about a month or so ago, said, Frank, next time Jay and Tim are on, bring this up. And I think Michael is writing from the standpoint of Orthodox Christian, says Frank, Rome needs to apologize for the fourth Crusade, which is still recalled vividly by Greeks return relics, which I want to know specifically what that means, which relics were taken. And then the Pope, of course, has the honor of first among equals, but no right to interfere with the traditional privileges of independent patriarchs. And that's, that's what they, they brought up when I said I wanted to talk to you guys about reconciliation one day. So I. Jay, let's talk. You start first. Tell me first, which relics? What is he talking about with relics? And then go off and just tell us what criteria need to be met in your eyes. And then. And then, Tim, you go, well, I
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C
think that would be more of a minor thing. I don't think the returning of various relics is necessarily.
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A
It was interesting. It was interesting for me to. I'm just curious.
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C
I'm just saying, like, so over the years in the Middle Ages, when the schism was really solidifying, the Byzantines would tend to draw what they call Byzantine lists. And those lists are not definitive because they're just sort of decentralized and they vary across different jurisdictions and whatnot. But the idea is essentially that there's. There are probably about 30 loosely speaking, issues that I think the Orthodox Church would see as kind of non negotiables. More recently, one of the most famous bishops of Greece, Metropolitan Seraphima Pereus, he wrote a letter to Francis when Francis was elected. And it's more of a short book than it is a letter, but there's probably about 30 or so. I want to say it's 30. I tweeted this back at the time. I can go find the old tweet. But I mean, it would be several things. It would be like, even to the point of, like, we couldn't really agree that you can forbid infants from having communion from the Orthodox view. That was something that was universal east and west before the Carolinian period when it changed, obviously the big ones would be like the filioque and that kind of stuff. We couldn't agree to the definition of lines in Florence. We could certainly agree that there's a through that occurs, which is what, you know, our councils teach at Black. Renee, obviously you mentioned earlier the papacy, but we could definitely agree to first among equals and synodality, but we would never agree to universal primacy and jurisdiction. So I think the main issue is also, though, beyond those kind of theological lists that could be made is Rome has also sort of solidified its positions on a lot of these issues post, you know, second millennium. So if in the second millennium these. All these things are dogmatized, there's not really a way to unite the churches without kind of admitting, well, the last thousand years of our dogmas were also incorrect. So that's a huge sticking point. But beyond all that, I want to stress too, that. And I think Tim would agree with this point, even though I'm sure he would disagree with the Previous points. A lot of the motivations for reunion in the present time are unfortunately not based on true theology or doctrine. They're really based on a lot of political factors. Liberal Kumbaya, let's just all get along and pretend that we all agree factors. I can see that geopolitical. The CIA and the State Department actually have a huge role in promoting ecumenism. So that's another, another issue. But I mean, yeah, that's, that's all I'll say for that.
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A
Okay, that's, that's, that seems a little bit more, a little bit more comprehensive than, than I thought I would. I, I have to, I have to read these, these 30 points, that's for sure. But Tim, your, your thoughts? Because I want, I want to hear about this.
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B
Well, when we talk about necessities, there's sort of counterintuitive, there's permissive and there's mandatory necessities. That of course the, the, the Roman Catholic Church is, has been in such a seculum obscurum with the recent popes over the last 70 years that things are so loosey goosey. You know, we, we have JP2 signing the document even with the Lutherans, that it's like it, it sort of dwarfs the differences with Eastern Orthodoxy in comparison. And that's, that's not a good thing. That's something that, it's an area where, you know, you aim small and you miss small. I would agree with Jay that, that minutiae actually matters. And I would agree with, with Eastern Orthodoxy that we, we should not be diminishing intentionally that which divides us, even though it's, it's compared against the Protestantism much, much, much less capacious. I would say this, this is one perfect example of what I mean as regards the filioque. A lot of folks don't understand that after the Union of Florence, in order to keep other congregations or churches that might have followed, you know, the Russians, after the Council of Florence, the Roman Catholic Church was making concessions to Eastern Catholics. Stay Catholic and we will let you have your liturgy. And that's why we have all of these, you know, 21 rights in the Catholic Church, which is ridiculous. We, we can't have the, the Tridentian Latin masses as normal as the Roman right, but everyone else in the east can have an Eastern Catholic right. That's sort of a side issue, but they got some goodies for staying Catholic. So the Eastern Catholic rights technically aren't even required anymore. A lot of people don't know this. To recite the filioque when they say the Creed at Mass, they can omit the filioque during the Creed. It's, it's kind of. But you know, the church has been loosey goosey for the better part of 100 years now. And this enabled these, these people to not only keep their liturgy, but they, they don't really even have to say what that which divided them. All they had to do was be for the papacy. So it's one of these periods, it's a seculum obscurum, where we have such a, such a, it's been called a pornocracy before periods where we get bad popes that it almost seems like we're straining at gnats to talk about that which divides us. But obviously the papacy, we would have to agree to terms once for all. What, what does universal jurisdiction require? Not just what does it mean, but what does it require tends to be the important constitutional term. And you know, just look at modeling from what did you guys accept in terms of what universal, prime primacy of universal jurisdiction required in the first millennium. What were you on board for? What are you not? This would require a straightening out of Vatican one, which is a little bit of a map. I'm one of the Catholics as a papal minimalist. I'm always saying it's not just Vatican 2 that needs to be straightened out, it's also Vatican 1. And it's more understandable the impetus for the need for the straightening out of Vatican I because it was interrupted by the Franco Prussian War and they really only accomplished the first half, which was outlining adumbrating the sovereign powers of the, the pontiff, his, his collegial friend, brother bishops was what they were going to tend to next. That was the other half of the purpose of Vatican one. And unfortunately the Franco Prussian War broke out. They didn't even close the council until right before Vatican II. So for the better part of 100 years.
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A
Yeah. So, okay, so I guess we're much farther away than we think. Maybe a few life, maybe a few lifetimes away. Because what you're essentially saying, Tim, is that the, the current state of, of Rome is, is so messy that we needed about 150 years just to just, just to button up the, the problems that are, that are there within, just within their, their ranks like that just.
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B
Yeah, yeah. I mean the filioque was always, I would say this, this is kind of, this is sort of light at the end of the tunnel from the Catholic point of view because things have been lenient on the filioque, theologically lenient. Well before Vatican ii. And it's not just nonsense. They're actually stricter on identifying what def. What separates Catholic and Orthodox than we are.
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C
Well, we.
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B
We could kind of filioque the. The Catholic position even before Vatican II and things got all hairy. Would be probably less of a level less of a big deal from a Catholic perspective than an Orthodox perspective. The papacy and identifying what. What's required by the Catholic adumbration of. Of the. The papacy is really going to be the big one. And then we would have to.
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C
We.
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B
We have attempted to apologize for the Fourth Crusade. I think John Paul II returned like Chrysostom and, And Nazians in first order.
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C
Yeah.
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B
Or something. Yeah.
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A
And that.
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B
That was bad. The Fourth Crusade was bad. And you know, I mean say what you will about the jq, I certainly do on Twitter these days, but you know, guys was getting crazy up in here with regard to even Jerusalem. So Fourth Crusade got got wild and we have tried to apologize and some of the relics are.
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C
Are.
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B
Have been restored from the Fourth Crusade. But I would also say the. The other important one that doesn't get a lot of play. I'm curious what Jay would say with this is the. In terms of the species of the sacrament that you know, we. We would have to have some sort of agreement as to leavened or unleavened. That's probably a bigger deal for Orthodox than even us. But you know, because wouldn't even know what we're talking.
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A
Orthodox. They can come to a Catholic Church. They can. They can receive communion, but we would not be able to receive at an Orthodox church. Is that right, Jay?
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C
Correct.
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A
Okay. I. I thought of something like that. Oh. Either way. Oh, Jay, respond to what he said before We. We. I know I only have you to the top of the hour, so I don't want to keep you too long.
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C
I mean I, I have. I have time. But what exactly what was the question? I apologize.
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A
No, Tim, what did you bring up? What would you just say there something.
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B
I was saying the Philly. Philly. Okway. We tend to take a. A less capacious view of them. That which divides us on the. On the issue of the filioque. And, and that. That one I think could from a Catholic perspective could probably actually be worked out not just because of the fruitiness of the recent secular obscurum. The Vatican II secular skirm. I'm saying along legitimate Catholic measuring grounds. We could. We could probably work out the filioque from a Catholic perspective. I think they would. They would have more Sticking points there. But the, the papacy thing's the big one. And then I also just said leavened or unleavened.
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A
That's, that's, that's, that's what, that's what the real thing. I want the 11.
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C
Those are all one, definitely ones that would make the list. Like I said, Metropolitan Sarah from the prayers list. Those are all in there for sure. The only thing I would say about the filioque is, well, the Vatican put out their statement on the Filioque, which was, I want to say, in the 90s. It's just called like the Vatican statement on the Filioque. And it's like a 30 page essay which, you know, it was an important, you know, theological commission essay that was approved by the Pope back at the time. And it does concede quite a bit and it recognizes most of the Eastern critiques. But the problem is that there is one phrase towards the end of it where it says the two views are still intention over the issue of the Father as the sole cause or archaic. So the, it basically admits and still kind of restates what I was saying earlier, that lions in Florence have already kind of dogmatized a double eternal hypothetical procession view. And if they had not dogmatized that phrase from Augustine on the Trinity, then it might have been easier to make that work with like the Cappadocian model of the Father as a soul arche. But, but aside from the filioque, I think there are other issues too that probably Roman Catholics don't see as that important that we would see as important. For example, the notion of creative grace is something that we could never accept. There's other things that we would disagree with too, like the beatific vision. So, you know, those kinds of things are things that could just not never be accepted by an orthodox person. So the fact that you have uniates allowed to do that, we would actually argue that's actually a net negative. Because if you look at the way the second and third Council speak of the Creed, they speak of it like there's one creed. And even if you think the, and I think Tim was actually kind of hinting at this, even if you think that the filioque could be left out, well, if it's there, you're supposed to say it because the, the second and third Councils necessitate, say there's only one Creed, and after Ephesus, the Canon state, you can't change it. So even if the change was legitimate, then the unia should still say the Filioque because that's that's the rule of the Church is that there's one creed.
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B
Yeah.
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C
So there shouldn't be two creeds in the church. And we would argue that that's actually a net negative and shows that the Orthodox tradition is correct in preserving the original wording of the creed. So. But aside from that, again, there's other issues too, that I think we wouldn't. I mean, again, beyond even like the theological stuff, like there's, you know, there's issues that are brought up by Metropolitan Serfim in his letter, like, you know, the geopolitical entanglements of the Vatican. And I'm not saying that, oh, well, the Russian patriarch has. He has political entanglements. Now there's a specific idea that, you know, the Vatican be its own city state, that it can have its own, you know, Vatican bank, all that kind of stuff. Like, we would have issues with that stuff too, given the fact that, for example, the ancient canons forbid clergy from being involved in the civil state. So I'm not saying that the Orthodox have been completely free from that. It's still wrong when the Orthodox do it. If there was a Russian bishop in the 1700s that went to battle, like, still not right to do that. So for us, even though. Even though they might not seem like major issues to Roman Catholics, we would see those things as still problematic because it's a confusing of the role of church and state. And as some Orthodox philosophers and historians have argued. And again, I know Tim's going to disagree with this, but I would. We make the argument that one of the reasons that you get that the idea of a secular state is because the papacy took on a role of the state, which there should be a Christian state, but it's. The church isn't the state. So when you get the medieval papacy kind of taking on a lot of geopolitical power, we would argue that that's another very crucial historical issue. That even though the post Vatican II papacy has kind of eschewed the idea both of a Christian state and the temporal supremacy of the Roman bishop, we would have to say that those would also have to be rejected.
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A
Okay. Oh, there's a lot. There's a lot here. I. I would definitely love to do like a micro topic or two with you guys down the line, just because I learned a lot just from watching you guys not only publish on your own, but also talk to each other. That. Because there's, There's. There's a lot here for me, too. I mean, just even with just the, The. I mean, my My personal reversion to going to church has happened during Francis, you know, and then after, you know. So I've almost like when it comes to the papacy, I've also, I've almost like, I feel like I've, I've learn to live without him.
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C
Can I add to Frank that to concede one of the points that Tim was making earlier. I mean, you've had a pretty significant history of Greek Orthodox patriarchs and bishops also being Freemasons. So I don't want to give the impression that I'm saying, oh, hahaha, you have all these problems in Rome. We don't have that. No. I think Martha, follow me. Was as bad as Francis was or any of these people. And I don't know, I don't know. Bartholomew is a mason. But we do know that if you go back like 100 years, the patriarch of Constantinople was an open Freemason 100 years ago. So it does exit. The same type of subversion exists. Orthodox Church too. I'm just saying that we should recognize and admit that, not try to give some false impression.
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A
No. And then that's where I get a lot of, a lot, a lot of value out of, out of listening to these discussions and being a part, part of it. I don't really see this as a debate, I don't see myself as a moderator. But for example, for instance, when I listen about arguments about papal authority between the Orthodox and the Catholic Church, and Tim knows this about me because we've been friends all throughout the year that I start getting closer and closer to the Church again and just having that be a part of my life and giving myself over to it. That was all during Francis pontificate. And on a personal level, I believed he was a particularly wicked man. And especially when it comes to politics, it doesn't seem like Leo is too much of a radical departure from the standard of, you know, what kind of a political figure are we used to the Pope being over the course of however many decades now? So I've kind of, like I said, learned to get along without the Pope since my reversion. And honestly it wasn't very hard to do. I just go to Mass, you know, and I kind of like try to forget about what's going on in Rome. So it's almost like the judiciary in the United States with me. If the Chief justice stringently upholds the Constitution, then good on them, good on them. But if they don't take a purely, if they take a purely activist position on one thing or another, I Feel like it's our duty, you know, and rarely is done over here in the United States on a civic level to ignore their opinion and to carry on with what you know is right. So I, I mean it just, that's just when it comes, I gotta, I
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B
gotta make a plug here. This is, this is why Papal minimalism is not some departure that's a novelty in the church from church tradition. Like Papal minimalism is the way in the 900s there was something called the Seculum Obscurum. It was a pornocracy is what, what church historians, well reputed church historians called it. Of men who are so bad, popes who are so bad. This is before even, you know, 1054, that you could only say these guys, these are some of the worst men in the world doing some of the worst things. And it, it's kind of the norm. I mean, if you look at the Avignon Papacy or the Great Western Schism which followed, not, not the Great Schism but the, the Avignon Papacy, when most of western Christendom, because it was after 10:54, didn't know who was Pope, the French guy or the Roman guy. And then at some later point 50 years later, there was a peas in. So there's a peasant contender for Pope, a Roman, a Frenchman. People live their entire 75 year lifespan not knowing who was really the Pope. You know, 400 years before that you had the secular mobs scrum. We've had periods in the 1600s with, with really bad popes. Secular obscurum. So the Pope is a, a guy that's supposed to roost on the doctrines of the Church. He is not what has been suggested by even so many Catholics by the Pope splainers out there. And it's really important to Catholic identity that we set our expectations appropriately for scale slash scope. Because if you think that the Pope has to be a really holy guy, you know, 48 of the first 49 popes were really holy guys. They're saints since then. We haven't had many saints since then. We've had about 230 popes and only about 30 of them have been 220 popes. Only about 30 of them have been saints. We've had a lot of really bad and mediocre men in that time. And that's nothing new. So the way you returned under Francis and stats are showing a lot of zoomers returned under Francis. A lot of zoomers are going to Orthodox as well. They're widespread. Coming to the realization that Protestantism is just enlightenment secularism. With Jesus. So a lot of new Catholics and a lot of new Orthodox. The Pope doesn't matter for that. The Pope is there because we say we do need a visible sign of unity on earth, but it's in the office, not the man. So what you're describing is not a foible of postmodernity or a foible of even the 21st century. We've had, had, we had bad popes all along. After those first 49 where almost all of them but one were saints. We've had a run of mostly mediocre or worse men. So that's important, I think, for Catholics to understand that.
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Well, it's good. We're all, we're all flawed. That's the good thing. I'm always just wondering about salvation. I just, I just, I just want to go and hang out with, in heaven with you guys one day and everybody in the audience. If we could all just, just hang out in heaven in one day, that'll be a good thing. And that's what I'm just trying to get to the bottom of here. Hey, would you guys be able to be the best man to a friend of yours who doesn't belong to either your church or taking part in an interfaith marriage or something like that? Would you, would you have, would you be able to accept that to be, to bear witness to that in an official capacity? Or is that a no go?
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B
Are you all answer first? Is Jay still there? It's, it's a weird nothing in the mids. So if it's any kind of other Christian denomination, then the answer is no. If it's a straight up court secular wedding. Yeah, Catholics are even weirdly at that. If it's like, if as long as you're not on the green, then fine, but if you're close to the whole on the green, then, then, so if
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you're, you're just going to a civil union, if you're going to, to a courthouse to bear witness that you, you can do that. But you couldn't show up and be a best man to two friends who are Protestants.
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B
You could show up to the wedding,
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you couldn't be the best man.
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You couldn't take a role. It depends, it depends on whether or not it would be, it would involve a religious role. But generally speaking, think of it like that. Nothing in the mids.
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Okay?
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And, and it couldn't, you couldn't go to a courthouse. If it was an apostate who was like. Or a Catholic who was duty bound to have A Catholic wedding, then no, you couldn't do it. But if it was just your secular buddy and he's just getting married at the courthouse. Yeah. You could go and celebrate with him and I guess try not to be annoying, but evangelize or whatever.
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A
Okay. Jay, what about you? Is there any, is there anything that you. It's a, it's a no go for you?
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C
Well, probably. Like Tim said, you know, there could be some situations where one's priest or bishop could give the approval to attend at varying levels and capacities. For us, it's more so exactly what level of participation would be required in the ritual or the act? So I mean, standing at the altar or something like that of a so called altar of a Protestant church, something like that, it might be. There might be an allowance that one spiritual father or bishop could give for something, but we're still bound by the ancient canons, particularly like Trello and Quintessex, that say that you cannot participate in the worship at schismatic, heretical or Muslim or synagogues. It doesn't mention Muslims yet. But you can't go to synagogues or heretical sects for worship. So only under certain approved circumstances could one participate in some ritual at that capacity.
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A
Oh, okay. Figured I'd ask. I thought that was interesting. I throw in there. Well, listen fellas, this has been wonderful just to be able to, to catch up with you guys again. I've got, we got some, some good news, you know, to, to jump into with the, with what's going on in France. I'm sure that, that'll give us some things to talk about over the course of the summer. I'm sure, I'm sure we'll be able to be talk about the UFO disclosures coming soon.
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C
That psy up by the way. I can't believe I found this old tweet. I did actually find under. I put it underneath your show here. I did find that list from six years ago that I put on Twitter.
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A
I'm looking at it right now.
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C
Oh, there is 31, 31 issues that Mr. Walton. Sarah from a prayer lists. He's just following the sort of the Byzantine list model there.
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A
Okay, perfect. No, okay, so I'm gonna be reading through that later on this, this be another one that adds the, add to the, the archive here.
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C
So, Jay, I had the actual letter too, if you're interested. And it's funny because he, he, he says quite a bit of sassy stuff to, to Francis Seraphim's letter.
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A
I see that over here too. All right, so I like both of it.
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B
I'll. Seraphim. Is that the Kyle Seraphim letter?
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C
No, no, it's. Yeah, it's Metropolitan Seraphim. A prayers in Greece. He's a prominent, like, he's like a prominent traditional Orthodox priest in. In Greece that, like, he still does the anathemas. And he'll stay still. He'll say, like, you know, in the anathema service on. On Sunday of Orthodoxy, triumph of Orthodoxy for the icons. He'll still say, like, zionists are anathema. He'll say, jehovah's Witnesses are anathema. So he's kind of known for, like. Because in other words, like the left taste of you.
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A
Right. Okay. Well, I got a lot, A lot of good stuff. Hey, this. This is another good one, guys. And I'd love to have you guys back on sometime over the course of the summer, perhaps. Who the hell knows? But, Jay, let everybody know where you're gonna be next, because our I.
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D
Your.
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A
Your tour is not done yet, right?
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C
No. Most of the interviews haven't even come out yet. Only a couple of them have. But I think the Jesse Lee Peterson one is going to be really funny. We had a pretty humorous debate about the Trinity and the deity of Christ. Had, I think, my John Kiriaki interview he had me on. I think that's going to be one of the highlights. That one came out really well. So it was really cool to talk to, you know, really prominent former CIA operative and. And also Orthodox, by the way. So I think those are going to be the. The hot ones coming out. There's a bunch more that still haven't dropped, but I will also be on back with Gerald Crowder's co host. I know Tim just went on with Gerald recently, but I don't know what we're talking about. Last time we had a pretty interesting exchange about Christian Zionism. So we have that one. And then I think everything. Everything else will be leaking out slowly.
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A
I saw that one. I think I saw that one. I'm looking forward to Jesse Lee Peterson. He's a. He's an og. And what else? What else there? Oh, yeah. If there's something I can bring you guys both on to talk about as a group again one night, it would be the Trinity. I still have so many questions about the Trinity and. And just when I think where it's starting to sink in and it all flows logically for me, I lose it and I start. And I start, you know, researching again and trying to get that understanding back. So for two Guys like yourselves who have really. Have really digested this and, And. And understand it. I. I need you to make that. That complex math simple for me. So it'll. That'd be wonderful if we can have you guys back on it just to talk about that in the future.
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B
Jay and I were having a meal after the second debate we did last summer, and we were like, let's. Let's not do any more of these because that one went like five hours on, I guess, Elijah Schaefer. And so, yeah, as long as it's. As long as we're cool not debating. I'm focusing on debating bronze sexuals on Twitter right now, and I'm going to be debating Shavos Kestenbaum, hopefully on. On piers.
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C
Oh, man. Are you serious? I tried that. He would not debate me. And you got him to debate you.
- [83:32]
B
Well, Carrie said, look, I want. I want you to debate Tim for me. I don't want to do it. And I was like, who would want to debate a girl anyway? Shavos, even if you're a Jew. But so. So, yeah, supposedly it's gonna happen, you know, He.
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A
He.
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C
What topic y' all debating that?
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B
I don't know, because he says it doesn't want it to be theology. I was like, well, because. You have no. Because. Because. Right. Your temple felony.
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C
That's exactly what he turned down. So we were going to debate Christian Zionism and should. Did Christians support, you know, the temple and Israel and all this stuff? And he said no. So he.
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B
He doesn't.
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C
For.
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B
For obvious reasons, he doesn't want to debate theology. But I just want to be on there and talk about, well, you know, ask him. Ask him some basic questions about Judeo Christian because he's a big supporter of Judeo Christian should be a thing. And my brother was even telling me, hey, just ask him the basics, man. Like, well, what, you know, what do you guys believe about Jesus? That's really what I would want to ask him. Like, why don't you tell us? Why don't you say it instead of hushing it? Is it anti Semitic to ask what Jews believe about, like, I mean, look,
- [84:37]
C
let's just be honest. Talmudic rabbinic Judaism in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th century is solidified partly in antithesis to the rise of Christianity.
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B
Right?
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C
So it's literally defined out of opposing Christianity.
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B
Absolutely, absolutely. And that's all you want. You just want it from the horse's mouth because they're always saying, oh, maybe this ye shoe is not the. The real issue. It's like, stop. Just Stop, dude. You know, we. But anyway, Frank, to answer your question, that's something upcoming for me. Number two, I would, I would come back and do a Trinity thing if it's like, hey, what is. What do the Catholics believe? What do Orthos believe that that would be.
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A
Oh, so there's. There's differences. There's differences on that. On that respect too, then.
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B
Yeah, that's. That's that what Jay was referring to when he was talking about, you know, the Cappadocian view of the Trinity versus the Augustinian view of the Trinity. Okay, There's. That's what, that's what the filioquoi, really.
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A
Okay.
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Really is.
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A
It's not from, from the creed.
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B
It's not huge. Yeah. Yeah.
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A
Okay.
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B
We could solidify those in. In layman's English, when you're going at like, combat like we were doing last summer, it's easy to devolve into the technical terms. But if we were doing sort of non combat. Well, here's our view. We could, could. We could break it down.
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A
It's basically. It. It's basically just. Just the concept of, of three in one. That. That's, that's just really. That's. I want to get into that at some point.
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C
I think what Tim's saying, and which I agree would be the best way to approach it is just to have like a back and forth where, like, you know, Tim says what his view is for X amount of time, five minutes, three minutes, whatever, and then I respond with orthodox position that way. That way, basically we're just stating positions. But yeah, we. We both have kind of wanted to move on past, you know, the same old sort of, you know, because I mean, how many times we have to have, like, the papacy debate been had a million times. And like I told Tim back then, like, you know, I'm actually enjoying quite a bit debating other topics. Right. Because I've been debating theology stuff for 20 years, 25 years. So it's fun to actually get out here and like, debate Brian Shapiro on his, like, atheism and relativism and politics and then, you know. Anyway.
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A
No, understood, understood. I. I'm not. I. I'm not actually interested in hosting debates. I'm. I'm actually just. I just want to be here for questions for. I want to ask questions and be here for a dialectic because I, I learned something.
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C
Absolutely.
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B
You know, so I have to tell you something, though. I forgot. I forgot to text you yesterday.
- [87:09]
A
What?
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B
So you might actually have to fly out here to South Mississippi for our Thing because I got. Someone gave me Shia LaBeouf's number, and I tried it, and I. I'm not sure if I was getting, you know, fully. Fully lucid responses, but I was getting responses from. From Shia, and so we might. You know, it was. It was funny what he was responding with. He was saying he was going to go on a Francis run.
- [87:32]
A
Are you sure? You sure you weren't talking to chat. GPT that was pretending to be Shia LaBeouf.
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B
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'll trust the source.
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A
That's what we. We should have all. We. Oh, damn it. I should have put that into the notes tonight. We should have spent a little bit more time actually assessing and breaking down and really just talking about his character arc right now. I think the Shia LaBeouf character arc is incredible. I know, Jay, you've been. You commented on that there, too. Damn it. I. I completely forgot until right now. Anyway. Anyway, maybe there's gonna be another chance sometime soon, but.
- [88:05]
B
Well, we might. You might have the chance to. You said you're gonna fly down here, interview with him with me at this desk. If I can get him to come out to my studio. You know, it's only 90 minutes from where he lives. I also know what part of New Orleans he hangs out in because I go to New Orleans very frequently.
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C
Because, hey, why don't you include me in that? I'm not far from you, Tim, if I promise not to try to propagandize him with Orthodoxy Connection.
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A
Oh, that would be me.
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B
I told you, you're always welcome.
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C
So, yeah, if.
- [88:31]
B
If I get shy, we can all just hang out, show them, you know, solidify.
- [88:35]
A
Oh, if all four of us can hang out. That'd be. That'd be nuts. That'd be nuts.
- [88:39]
B
I'll grab Brett Favre, who's down the street.
- [88:42]
A
Okay.
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B
It'll just be a motley crew.
- [88:45]
A
All right, well, listen, this might be the start of something really interesting. All the best to both of you guys. Jay's analysis dot com. Timothy J. Gordon, over here. We'll go what's up?
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B
Yeah, on YouTube. Could I ask everyone to. To give me a subscribe on YouTube? I've been having the weirdest trouble with Anytime I'll hit it. I Forget what it is. 67. 400.
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A
It'll drop.
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B
So I don't know what's going on with it, but I haven't been able to cross 400. It's odd, I know.
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A
I know. Ebbs and flows, and it's mostly ebb these days. It's so weird.
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B
But, but it's 400. It will dry. It'll go to 400 and it'll drop like the next second. So I'm just. If people would subscribe to my channel on Timothy Gordon I would really appreciate more than ordinary. I'd really appreciate it.
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A
Subscribe, subscribe to both of our guests here tonight. They're wonderful fellas. I can't wait to have them back. Thank you guys. I'll talk to you soon.
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B
Thanks.
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C
Absolutely. By the way, I'm Also, I'm at 199 so please help me get to 200,000 so we can have a 200k party. And also Esther Hollywood 3 is out. People want signed copies from my website jasonalysis.com There you go.
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Jsonalysis.com TimothyJ Gordon.com Rules for retrogrades. Get on out there everybody. Thank you so much. All right, take care. Later. All right, everybody's on the brink of some, some great subscription goal. That's awesome. Jay gonna be crossing 200k. Well you know I'm only 97000 behind him. I'm only 97000 behind him and if I can just catch a wave, something little bit, a little bit going on but it'll happen. You know it'll happen. I got a lot to read now. That's a good thing. I have more stuff to do with you guys. Let's, I, we have to talk about Chris Kirsty, gnome Christie gnomes, cross dressing husband, flaunting giant fake tits. Oh my. You, you can't tell me she didn't know. I wonder what I, I wonder. I, it just really makes you wonder. We'll get into that in a second. Let me go into the chat and see what everybody's doing okay here. Jay Britt says yet another superb panel with Jay and Tim. Thanks Frank. Star Karma sent a super chat. Oh that's by the way everybody that sent super chats tonight putting in six silver quarters we're be giving away on Thursday night, my birthday. I'm giving you a present on Thursday night. The only president I ask is show up, hit subscribe, hit the notification bell and send a super chat. So I'm giving you silver. I'm also going to give you a cd. I'm also going to give you. I'm throwing in Jane Barlow's field guide because it's springtime now and you got have you. You must go out there and get your, your garden in order. All of the medicinal guys, all the healing plants you need and all the ways to cultivate them and actually turn them into tinctures and salves and all that stuff. Awesome stuff. So that's just, that's complete right there. You need that for your home library. So send a super chat. You'll get in. All right, let's take a call. Let's take some calls. 914-200-2269. I'm leaving the lines open and we're gonna get. We're gonna get into these. The rest of these comments. Let's see. X Irrational says awesome show. There's an amazing traditional Catholic Latin Mass near me. I've been baptized and confirmed when I was younger, and I really want to get the wife into it so we can go together and get baby JC baptized there. I know I should go more, but it's hard. I've never been to a Latin Mass in my life. I would love to. Lauren says, can Jay comment on the KGB and Russian Orthodox Church? He said they have their own issues with Masons, but how about becoming a government arm? I did not see that in time. Gonna bring it up, though. He, he. I don't know. Toward the end, he did talk about their own pitfalls and their own levels of, you know, infiltration here. So maybe he saw the super chat. Maybe that's why he said that. Also to keep the playing field level. And yeah, I'm not a debate guy. I'm not a debate guy I don't like. I consider, especially when they're friends, too. I would be more than happy to bring on two people who I don't really have too much of connection with other than my interest in, in their involvement or their work within one or more categories of research or something. And to be able to pit them in a civilized way against each other, to see what kind of position wins out, at least logically for me. So that's, that's, that's the, the position I always thought I would take whenever we finally do a flat earth show. Because I'd rather have somebody ask some really good questions from, I don't know, a spherical earth standpoint and see who comes out looking like they know what they're talking about. 81 7, you're on the air. Go ahead.
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D
Hey, Frank. Gary Americano.
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A
What's going on?
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D
I just wanted to say real quick, I want to hear their opinion next time you see those guys on cremation because it was a heresy in Catholicism until 1963 and it's still been in Orthodoxy.
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A
Yeah, you know what? I was thinking about that when I was driving around today too. I said, should I, should I ask them about cremation more especially water cremation that we were talking about last night, where they're kind of like composting people and turning them into sludge for crops. That, that is more so with the, the whole water cremation where they kind of dissolve you in a vat of liquid or something like that.
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D
Oh, interesting, because I know one of the main proponents these days is the Neptune Society. And you're the ones like doing coral reefs and all that.
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A
You call them the Neptune Society. Yeah, Neptune side. Nationwide cremation provider established in 1973, specializing in affordable direct cremation and pre planning services. With over 100 locations, they offer straightforward, often prepaid cremation plans to simply simplify the process, including veterans benefits assistance and ocean scattering options.
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D
But yeah, there were no cremations in, in the western world before, like the 1870s, since ancient times. Really.
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A
Yeah, I've seen some, I've seen some reels on that. Priests from certain sects and traditions and all that stuff, you know, giving their, their, their respective opinions on how on, on what that, what that really means.
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D
And it used to be like, for instance, the Roman Catholic Church dug up the. It's kind of horrible, but they dug up the corpse of John Whitecliffe and burned it as like a posthumous cremation as like a punishment for being a heretic.
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Geez, Geez Louise. That's it.
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D
And the whole like burning witches of the state kind of thing and all that, that's it.
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A
Just when you think you're getting into heaven, then somebody starts burning your body down at earth.
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D
I think, I think that God can like, you know, he could put you back together from dust in the corners of the universe, but it's just kind of rejecting, it's spitting in its face
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really well, you know, it always leads to those very same comments. Thank you for the call, sir. All the same comments. What? Like last night when I was talking about that Oklahoma bill that was going to allow for human composting over there. Of course, that is a red state, as opposed to like the 12 or 13 other states that are already doing the, the human composting that are all liberal. It's all the same thing with people in the chat rooms, aside from just being chats and, and comments there, aside from being like horrified and morbid curious about the whole process. They also say, well, you know, there are no new cemeteries. Why are there no new cemeteries? And I looked into that thing. It's not that There are no new cemeteries. But you, you think that there would be a lot more. You really do. You think that there'd be a lot more. And I guess the cremation has kind of offset that and in a, in, in a way. But most people will think, oh, no,
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C
no, no, no, no, no.
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A
That's in the food. We've been eating the bodies ourselves. Man, I, I remember. What was it, 2018 or was it Post Covet? I don't know. There was a rash of. There was, it was, I know some of it was just parody and trying to get people up in arms. Like the Cannibal Club in Los Angeles, that was getting around, but there was a lot of restaurants opening up that were, that were cannibal themed. It was cannibal themed, but there was this other woman. There's somebody in like the Netherlands or something like that that said that we should eat. Ok, let me see here. What European politician suggests eating human bodies? Come on, give it to me. There's no credible evidence that any European politician has suggested eating human bodies. No, there is. You just shut your damn mouth. A Swedish scientist comments. In 2019, Magnus Sauderland, a behavioral scientist, a professor of Stockholm School of Economics, suggested in a panel discussion that eating human flesh from dead bodies might be a way to combat climate change, provided that societal taboos could be overcome. He's an academic, not a politician. Oh. Oh, my bad suggestion was part of a controversial and provocative discussion on future food sustainability. Yeah, we were getting a lot of, like that. I don't know, news stories like that just tend to cluster around each. Around itself. Let's see. Pink sales says. I can't believe I wasn't already subscribed to Jay and Timothy before tonight. Great guests and great show as always. Well, hey, did you. Were you the 200,000th for, for Jay? Amanda Zahn says, great guest, great show. Love you, Amanda. Thank you so much. Over on Rumble, we've got a nice little, Nice little tribe hanging out over there. 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Hey, listen, the more you guys send in, the more, the better we can operate over here at the show. And also the better we could, the better your chances for me to picking you as the winner on Thursday night whenever we do our super chat raffles. AMETHYST Cat I my dream is that one day there'd be so many super chats coming in that I can't do the raffles anymore because I can't, I can't actually manage all the names and I have to find some other way, some other game to play. But that would be a whole New World. Junior at the lake. Amethyst Cat Happy Tuesday. Frank Gyno Jr. Again Tommy says are we on pace to hitting the evening gold pill goal? Maybe. That fleet was big. Okay, here it is everybody take a look at this. Talking about big. A big fleet. Shocking pictures of Kristi Noem's cross dressing husband flaunting giant fake breasts revealed sparking grave security questions. There are photos that allegedly show Kristi Noem's husband Brian wearing comically oversized lopsided breasts complete with fake protruding nipples to female members of an online fetish community. Ok, the Daily Mail obtained hundreds of messages purportedly sent between former secretary of Homeland Security husband. Maybe this is why she had to leave. They knew that this was coming out. And three women who are involved in the so called bimbo ification bimbofication fetish scene. So that means it's a, it's a, it's a fetish that, that you want to make yourself look like a bimbo. Like just crazy huge fake tits. The kinky community involves people injecting their busts with freakishly large amount of saline in pursuit of Barbie doll like appearances. The picture shows South Dakota insurance mogul who has three children with gnome clad in pink hot pants and skin tight flesh colored crop top stuffed with enormous balloons made to resemble massive cockeyed breasts. There they are. And he seems very serious, like the seriousness that his face is what makes me like what do you want from me? You got what you wanted. Is this what you wanted? Come at me, bro. I don't understand the come at me, bro face. Whoops. What? My eyes are up here, bro. I don't know. Everything's so messed up. His face is clearly visible in several of the photos, including one in which his expression is so mundane it could be from a driver's license photo. Oh, I'm not putting that one on the air. Oh, no. He did a kissy face. He did a kissy face. And another one. Damaging information like this can be tantalizing lead for hostile intelligence services. This is why they didn't allow homosexuals in the FBI at a time. Now you can't get in unless you're gay. They approach the. The person and says, if you work with us, we won't expose this. If you don't, we will. We will. That's Espionage 101. Kristi Noem was ousted from her role at DHS on March 5 after a pair of disastrous congressional hearings, including fumbling a question about whether she was having an affair with a married top aide. Yeah, well, there's no way that she didn't know about this. And they're probably into some stuff, and that's just. That's that. Anyway, you know, here's another funny thing I gotta give to you guys. I don't know if this is real. I don't know if this is real, but the. It was Kash Patel. Now, Kash Patel, I told you, supposedly an Iranian hacker or something like that had gotten some private photos of Cash Patel and put it out there. And I saw whatever was tweeted out there, it's just him just, I don't know, drinking a beer, smoking a cigar or whatever. Now, the thing that is not substantiated at all is that Cash Patel, he had an X Videos as a porn site, an X Videos account. And I don't know, somebody put out a screenshot of the back end of an account of On X videos that had. That was supposedly his. And the screen name was Spider Cash. Spider Cash. And I. Guys, I. Listen, there's. There's nothing out there. That's. I. I haven't seen anything that substantiated that. And like, this is real. Maybe it's just nonsense, but if that's real, that's hilarious. That's hilarious. Because, listen, I'm sure you guys, some of you guys at least know that you don't need to make an account to get onto these. These sites, okay? Don't need to make an account that is completely optional. Anybody who makes an account, they pick a screen name and everything. To access a porn site in 2026. Those are some dedicated coomers. Dedicated. Like, they're leaving. They're leaving comments. They are critiquing the music that's playing in the room while people are doing the deed. Like, why are they playing this? It's distracting me, you know, really. Duran Duran, like, that would be. That would be like. So I can't. He'd be like curating playlists and stuff like that. If that is really him, Spider Cash. Oh, my gosh. Anyway, I don't know if that's true, but I was just laughing at the thought of it possibly being true because I don't know how. I don't know how you can do it, but somebody has got. I don't know how you can find every comment that Spider Cash has ever left on that porn site, but I want to see all the comments. That. That is going to be grade A. That's gonna be incredible. That's gonna be incredible. Oh, man. Oh, man. But like I said, it's probably. Who the hell knows? Real or not real, this is the kind of news we're getting these days. All right, let's see. Here's another thing for you. A friend of mine from Australia sent this in. You can call in anytime you want. 914-200-269. Friend of mine from Australia calls. Wrote in. His name is Greg. He says, frank, I know you love the great Australian video about succulent Chinese meal. Well, it has been immortalized in the National Film and Sound Archives here and Canberra. It is now an iconic Aussie sound. Best wishes, Greg. And here is the. Here's the report. Hold on, let's see. Nine new national treasures have been formally recognised.
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Sounds that are uniquely Australian.
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The breakthrough songs, jingles and landmark speeches are now enshrined in the National Film and Sound Archive.
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Importance to cultural zeitgeist.
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Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.
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The iconic arrest of com man Jack Carlson, captured by our very own Chris Reason. We raced down there and of course would witness something that would become a
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theatrical spectacular at the time.
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Something for the ages.
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What is, is the charge?
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Eating a meal. A succulent Chinese meal.
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The remixed phrase went viral and is now part of our national archive.
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The police at the time were telling us that Jack Carlson was on Queensland's most wanted list. But of course, he'd go on to
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become one of Australia's most loved.
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Shut up for your face. In 1980.
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There you go. That's all you got to say? So. Good, good. Because I think he just. I think he just died last year, right? I think he just died last year. So he deserves this. Now here's something else that has to be thrown into the mix. Matt Gaetz. There's an alien hybrid breeding program going on. What's this? Another Benny Johnson? He's talking to Benny Johnson. Everybody talking to Benny Johnson these days. All right, anyway, let me see what he says.
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I think the most important information will be the biologics that are not human that have been discovered.
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And like, even some of the briefings
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that aren't classified just. Just need to be out in the public.
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I mean, I had someone come and
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brief me who was in a military
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uniform, worked for the United States army
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that was briefing me on the locations
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of hybrid breeding programs where captured aliens
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were breeding with humans to create some hybrid race that could engage in intergalactic communication.
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Okay? So here's what. Here's what I would give you guys as an assignment. You go in on the Internet. That's where you live. Anyway. Go onto the Internet, onto Google or anywhere, and just start looking for as many coast to coast episodes with Dr. David Jacobs as possible. Okay? He called them hubrids. And those are some really interesting episodes from Dr. David with Dr. David David Jacobs and. And Art Bell talking about human hybridization with aliens and. And all that. I think he also. I think Dr. Jacobs was also a guy who spoke about missing pregnancies. Pregnancies that just disappeared and were, in his mind, harvested. So I'm gonna. I'm gonna keep this. I'm gonna put that. I just saw this before we went live today. That's March 31, 2:04pm Matt Gaetz. Can we just get some money? Get some money. What do I gotta do? What do I gotta do to get on the radar here? Just a couple. Just a couple of those interviews. That'd be great. I don't care how crazy they sound. That's what I want. Let's do it. Shall we? Anyway, let me see what else here. Oh, I missed a couple of calls. I'm sorry. I wasn't paying attention. I was looking at all this over here. Well, that's what we have for tonight. I think it was a good one. I think it was a very, very good one. Great to have friends over here hanging out, running on empty. Just says, jesse on fire and said, that's not cash. Jesse on fire said, that's not cash. Okay, well, good, then there you have it, because that would be Hilarious. That would just not be right. I just like. Out of everything. Out of everything that you could have done, then fine. Because man, man, any, any. If you go out there and you create a. An actual account for one of those sites, that's a problem. That's a real problem. It's a problem even when you don't have it, but still. Okay, guys, I appreciate you. Tomorrow we're going to have Matt from Cultivate elevate on in the first half. Whole bunch of kooky stuff, rabbit hole stuff. It's going to be a good night for that and I'm looking forward to having you here on quite frankly. And you know what? Just for the hell of it, we're going to the flip side and who knows what we'll do over there. And just for the hell of it, remember, from now until midnight tonight, I asked Molly if she can just bump this up to midday tomorrow because I know we have the podcast audiences. This is the last couple of hours to get in on the Keto Brains raffle. Go out and get yourself a nice bag of the Keto Brains nootropic creamer. You're going to love it in the coffee. You're going to love it in any kind of food creations, whatever the hell it is. Leave the coffee the hell however the hell you like it. But still, we're going to do that raffle from her, that $600 plus raffle on Thursday. So I asked her if we can bump this to the maybe halfway point tomorrow for our podcast audience out there, which is a vast audience. Love you all so much. Thank you for everything. Become a sponsor of the show, become a subscriber, whatever the hell it is. Stick around. Thank you all so much. And we will see you tomorrow night.
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I'll catch you on the flip side.
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Thank you. Thank you one and all. We are going to the Flip side, my friends. I'm dropping the link in the chat room right now. Follow us over for a couple of more minutes of truly uncensored frankly. And I'll be reading the general chat and more. Will you shut up?