Internet Hate Machine -Jamie & Hesher

Summary

Podcast Summary: Jay'sAnalysis – "Internet Hate Machine" with Jamie & Hesher

Date: May 28, 2026
Host: Jamie (co-hosting for Jay Dyer) Guest: Hesher (Alternate Current Radio)

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Overview

This episode, titled "Internet Hate Machine," explores the roots and evolution of online culture wars, the manipulation of internet subcultures by intelligence agencies and elites, and the weaponization of memes and online forums. Jamie and Hesher dissect the historical and psychological underpinnings of internet phenomena like 4chan, Anonymous, meme magic, and their connections to mass psyops, real-world political shifts, and recent revelations from the Epstein files. The conversation flows from historical analysis (the Gunpowder Plot and its representation in V for Vendetta) to modern-day technocracy, with a focus on controlled narratives, digital manipulation, and the dark intersections of media, politics, and online culture.

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Key Themes and Discussion Points

1. 4chan, Anonymous, and the Origin of Internet Culture (01:01–06:25; 22:38–29:12)

• Genesis of 4chan:
  • Founded in 2003 by Christopher Poole ("moot") as an offshoot of Something Awful’s anime board (25:23).
  • Early internet archetypes: “weeaboos,” incels, and new forms of outcast masculinity were shaped by the site’s unique mix of anonymity, irreverence, and transgressive content (27:41).
  • 4chan as "the primordial back alley behind the dumpster" of the internet (25:19).

“The boys that hung out there… you could definitely tell they were being turned into something that was not normative.” – Jamie (28:11)

• 4chan’s Role in Meme Culture:
  • Endless creation of memes: “Lolcats,” “Longcat,” Rickrolling, and the very concept of trolling.
  • Birthplace of seemingly harmless memes that evolved into cultural totems, with deep psychological and even occult undertones (79:04–81:13).

"The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact." – Jamie (referring to 4chan’s header disclaimer) (31:12)

• Anonymous, Guy Fawkes, and V for Vendetta:
  • Guy Fawkes mask as a symbol adopted by Anonymous and a wide spectrum of hacktivists and rebel identities, subverting establishment and mainstream narratives (22:38–34:49).
  • The narrative pivot: how anti-establishment symbols are quickly co-opted and weaponized by opposing sides (46:51).

2. Psyops, False Flags, and Historical Parallels (09:27–22:38)

• Historical Deep Dive: The Gunpowder Plot and Its Symbolism:
  • King James I vs. Catholic insurgents, spymasters, fall guys, and state-sponsored plot creation.
  • Parallels drawn between 17th-century false flag operations and modern intelligence-manufactured crises.

“They use the narrative that is spun around that event to create policy or, you know, take away freedoms or liberties. We see this a lot.” – Hesher (18:27)

• V for Vendetta as Managed Dialectic:
  • Jamie draws from Jay Dyer’s analysis: managed anti-establishment narratives are used to channel rebellion into systems that ultimately serve technocratic or totalitarian ends (37:55–41:12).
  • The co-opting of rebellion for elite purposes: “V is this ruse of managed anti-establishment rebellion that plays right into the hands of the establishment.” – Jamie (42:00)

3. The Weaponization and Spread of Contagious Narratives (29:12–34:49; 52:39–62:10)

• Creation of New Archetypes and Dialectics:
  • Online communities serve as experimental labs for new cultural archetypes, from 4chan’s “incel” to the “SJW” and “red-pilled” movements.

“Early cybernetic nudging… you could definitely tell they were being turned into something that was not normative.” – Jamie (28:26)

• Grooming Culture Wars:
  • Gamergate, "red pill" ideology, and pickup artist culture fomenting gender hostility (57:47–62:10).
  • Steve Bannon and Epstein’s influence on steering online movements from the shadows, weaponizing male disaffection for political gain (62:25–64:44).
  • The deliberate injection of chaos and division via meme culture, false narratives, and black propaganda.

“If you can give somebody somebody to hate, you can take all their money.” – Jamie (59:40)

“You’re being forced into a dialectic where you have to choose between being harsh and angry, or being dominated and abused.” – Hesher (56:46)

4. Memes, Magic, and Occult Symbolism (76:31–84:53)

• Meme Magic and the Occult:
  • Memes as sigils: “Memes compress ideology into images … it’s the same magic but with wifi.” – Hesher (79:04–81:13)
  • Pepe the Frog’s evolution from an innocent meme to a “chaos totem,” with roots in Egyptian mythology (82:15).
  • The concept of meme magic is linked to occult traditions: chaos magicians, sigil creation, symbolism, and mass manifestation energies (104:54–107:55).

5. The Endgame: Technocracy and Total Digital Control (97:12–110:11)

• Technocratic Control, Surveillance, and Digital Twins:
  • The increasing use of psychological warfare, AI, and “digital twins” to model, manipulate, and predict mass behavior (99:55–100:02).
  • Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell's direct ties to key internet culture nodes (Reddit, 4chan, etc.), linking online psyops with real-world elite agendas.

"They're not just watching you; they're testing your digital twin to see how to break you." – Jamie (98:23)

• Transhumanism, Hybridization, and One-World Religion:
  • The conversation concludes with speculation on the rise of AI-driven religions and virtual technocratic spirituality as the ultimate endgame for social engineers (100:02–104:20).

6. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On 4chan’s Early Days:

  • “If you've never heard of 4chan, first of all, let me congratulate you on your mental health.” – Jamie (07:20)

• On the Evolution of Internet Trolling:

  • “It is life imitating trolling ... It's not even art.” – Jamie (24:45)

• On the Co-opting of Rebellion:

  • “There is a container for all of your anti-establishment rebellion ... everyone's rebellion is co-opted.” – Jamie (47:24)

• On Meme Magic as Modern Propaganda:

  • “We live with TikTok brain ... so memes have to be able ... to compress ideology into images.” – Hesher (79:04)

• On the Dangers of Manufactured Dialectics:

  • “Would you rather be on the red team, friends with Jeffrey, or the blue team, friends with Ghislaine? ... It’s the old South Park ... do you vote for giant douche or turd sandwich?” – Jamie (62:10–62:25)

• On Societal Manipulation:

  • "Culture moves first—the internet is where people test ideas and symbols before any of it reaches mainstream media or politics.” – Hesher (116:01)

7. Epstein Revelations and Shocking Mentions (110:11–115:42)

• New Details from File Dumps:
  • Notable figures mentioned in Epstein's files in shocking ways: Dr. James Dobson (Focus on the Family), Elon Musk, Deepak Chopra, Dalai Lama, Bill Gates, Jay-Z, Beyoncé, and more (110:11–115:27).
  • Elite fascination with occultism, ritual abuse, and technocracy is openly discussed in networks connected to Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell (74:07; 111:00).
  • Outrageous rituals and psyops detailed: the “pizza monster,” abuse-based programming, "snow white" Disney child themes, harvesting of Mormon blood, and transhuman experiments.

“If you want more... go look at me and Courtney's show called Space Babies where she talks about Epstein and his handle and all of this transhumanism and technocracy.” – Jamie (112:37)

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Important Timestamps

• 4chan, meme culture, and trolling origins: 01:01–08:33, 22:38–29:12
• Gunpowder Plot, V for Vendetta, false flags: 09:27–22:38
• Co-opting Anonymous and anti-establishment symbolism: 31:12–52:39
• Gamergate, gender wars, Bannon/Epstein influence: 52:39–66:12
• Meme magic, Pepe, Kekistan: 76:31–90:57
• Technocracy, digital twins, and endgame: 97:12–104:20
• Epstein file dump revelations: 110:11–115:27
• Conclusions on cultural manipulation: 116:01

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Flowing Takeaways

• Internet culture isn’t just random or emergent: it is increasingly orchestrated by powerful interests for social experimentation and control.
• Elite manipulation of online spaces includes seeding divisive memes, co-opting rebellions, and rolling out new dialectics (left/right, woke/anti-woke, gender wars), always keeping populations distracted and at odds.
• Psyops are layered—historical, symbolic, occultic, technological—tied together through both old-school methods (spymasters, false flags) and cutting-edge digital influence campaigns.
• The current “technocratic endgame” involves the fusion of surveillance, psychological operation, AI-driven identity construction, and attempts to shape reality itself via meme magic and sigil consciousness.
• Revelations from the Epstein file dumps openly link elite players to the manipulation of digital subcultures and narratives.
• The future is likely to see further blurring between the digital and real, with the internet as the primary battlefield for the hearts, minds, and souls of the next generation.

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Credits & Where to Find the Guest

“The internet is where people test ideas and symbols and identities before any of it reaches mainstream media or politics … if you pay attention to the stories and the memes people rally around, you can usually see where society is heading long before it shows up in the headlines.”
– Hesher (AlternateCurrentRadio.com, 116:01)

Guest: Hesher
Find more: AlternateCurrentRadio.com – Boiler Room Show

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Next Episode Teaser

Jamie and Hesher will return for Part Two, where they’ll dive into Pizzagate, Wikileaks, QAnon, the 2020 chaos, Project Stargate, the rise of the technocrats, "groipers & ropers" (alt-right subcultures), and trends in meme warfare up to the present.

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[Jamie]

welcome back to out of this world and i'm here with our good friend hescher from alternate current radio and it's your first time here on this channel and we are glad to have you because you're an old friend of ours and you're the perfect person to have on after this deluge of files that we just got released to us and everyone's scrambling going through these things and there's so much it's kind of like a mandelbrot like the more you zoom in the more it like blossoms into more things you're like there are so many rabbit holes that we can go down and this one is going to be crazy because of all the names that came up in the files i don't know if you guys knew this one but one was moot m o o

[Hescher]

t why does that sound familiar to

[Jamie]

me remind me moot is the creator

[Hescher]

of four chan okay there you go

[Jamie]

yes so this kind of like neurons were firing in my brain and it seems like epstein and four chan were steering the alt right and ghislaine and reddit were steering the left so it's this big octopus of psyops okay and so what i want you guys all to remember and that's why hescher is a perfect person for this because number one i trust you we've known you so long we've been on your show so many times you and spore are really good friends normal reasonable you know all of the good things that content creators should be right so one would hope and i wanted hester to come on with me too so this was the perfect subject so this show is called internet hate machine ooh i like it because it is apparent to us now that all of these people and the algorithms are driving us to fight each other instead of look into what they're doing do you agree with that

[Hescher]

oh yeah absolutely you know i think one of the things that has bound us together and many of our common viewers and listeners and colleagues is that what we do sits at the intersection of media culture and politics so not in the partisan sense though but in how narratives form and spread and i think much like me you're fascinated by how symbols and memes and and online communities end up shaping real world conversations long before you know policy ever catches up or things become normal you know so it puts us in a strange place because we're not you know what i mean people want at least from what i can tell from the audience people want you to be irreverent you know people want you to be funny some people want you to be serious all the time some people don't like it when you're funny there's all these different perspectives based on someone's personality their worldview and where they are in the doom roller coaster of the twenty first century so it's a really interesting place to be in and yeah this has been quite the crazy week and we've talked so many times about four chan being inserted into or being maybe the inflection point or the nexus point of something that's just blowing up online and it's like a lot of people just don't go there so they don't know about it they don't really understand you know the way that it works the kind of accounts that are there i'm not even going to say the kind of people that are there because we just call them accounts you don't on fortran could be an ai could be a bot farm could be malaysian tappy tap cell phone farm could be a troll in your mom's basement could be someone at langley could be someone in the friends of jeffrey network and friends of ghislaine network or them themselves i mean that's kind of what we suspected all along and now we've seen multiple headlines evidence evidence in some of these emails that we were on the right track and in fact it might be worse than we suspected yeah i mean

[Jamie]

the stuff that's coming out now is even worse than let's say pizzagate of twenty sixteen and we have known you guys for at least ten or eleven years so we've been going through all of these conspiracies we've made predictions that came true it's not going away so i wanted to go back in history a little bit just to give you guys a little taste of psyops because we were kind of laughing before we started this thing is just like a freaking turducken of crap where it's just like stuffed with disinfo truth lies you know all of this stuff and so we're gonna try and tease it out a little bit tonight and

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[Jamie]

today speaking of four chan you cannot talk about that without talking about anonymous and guy fawkes because he became the symbol of this entire website right and he was known as the original fall guy because he took blame for this whole plot that involves a lot of people and they even made a little one of the first memes on four chan actually was epic fail guide do you remember that yeah so that's him and if you've never heard of four chan first of all let me congratulate you on your mental health yeah that's helpful but i had been going there since oh man two thousand six in my twenties on my old dell desktop right because back then we didn't have a lot of funny stuff we had yahoo and msn and jib jab and those kind of things but for four chan was just like the funniest meme factory irreverent all of this it really sucked you in and it was the

[Hescher]

original doom scroll right oh absolutely and it was a place where you could just revel even if you were just a lurker right even if you're just someone that read it and didn't i shouldn't even say read it while talking about this but if you were just a reader of the site right it was just like there was this feeling of like wow this is a place where people with the wildest thoughts come and just clack them onto the keyboard and post them and you never know who it was and you didn't really care that you didn't know who it was you know we were all using screen names anyways nobody was looking for internet clout really especially back at that point in time you know so there was just something other there was a novelty to it and it really encapsulated that sort of old west feel especially

[Jamie]

back in the early days and well speaking of guy fawkes and epic fail guy there is that movie v for vendetta and we're going to talk about that in a second but but so the year is sixteen oh five remember remember the fifth of november they say in that movie and it is all about the gunpowder plot so every year the british celebrate guy fawkes night or bonfire night and this is where thousands of people come to watch the ritual burning of guy fawkes right and so they have the body of the condemned he's usually prepared by local children who will stay with the man offering him comfort in his final hours and then cheer on when he is consumed in the flames of effigy because he is the original traitor right not the original one but like a an archetype of traitor's actions against the government right so short story titleder this guy was caught red handed trying to blow up the king of england and the house of parliament right it was king james the first to be exact who would go on to publish the bible right the english version of the bible and this is such a crazy story because here we have a battle between protestants and catholics going on in england at this time and king james's mother was mary queen of scots who is the catholic and he's trying to walk this line between pleasing the catholics and the protestants right so he outlaws catholicism fifteen of his predecessors had been killed including his own father who was murdered with gunpowder so he was very on edge about being assassinated already right king james was so he had a spymaster just like queen elizabeth i who we get john dee from one of the spy archetype you know zero zero seven right yeah so king james had this spymaster named robert cecil and this ties into the epstein stuff too because jeffrey was mossad he was a spy and he was i don't like it's like i don't care what side you're on it seems like now it's like the kiddlers against everyone else don't you think yeah it

[Hescher]

seems like there are these various sects and secret societies and disgusting black magic you know sex people all this kind of stuff going on and it's like there seems to be that they all have tentacles that reach out to various financiers various intelligence agencies various political bodies ngo's i mean pretty much anything they need you know just imagine the blofelds of the world and all the you know little satellites that orbit around them that you know make them able to to be these sort of you know let's face it super villainous inhuman you know disgusting kleptocrat you know cult people

[Jamie]

yeah totally just evil creatures so and

[Hescher]

they almost kill it almost worked from my understanding you know sixteen oh five is a long time ago and there's a lot of you're indicating there's a lot of propaganda piled on top of it which there was and it's kind of reversed in the movie which is interesting but i mean they had the gunpowder barrels all under the house of parliament i mean and someone ratted them out so not sure who ratted them out or what the situation was there but from what i can tell they received information probably from the spy master that you were just talking about and it destroyed the plot but it's like they had the explosives there they were

[Jamie]

close well it's a funny story because so you have these catholic zealots who are against king james and the ringleader his name was robert catesby and they had four henchmen two guys named thomas john and and guy fawkes was the fourth one right and they met at this club to plan the bombing and they were going to kidnap king james's daughter who was nine year old girl and turn her into a catholic queen like kind of a puppet queen for them they accumulates thirty six barrels of gunpowder and they literally rented the cellar directly under the house of parliament because they were like how are we gonna set this up they're like i know let's just rent the space underneath so they did they leased it out they got all the gunpowder in there beneath the house of lords and then the event was supposed to happen in like may or something but it was postponed till november due to plague so they have to sit literally sit on these powder kegs at a time and this is where the plot starts to unravel because in the meantime they're starting to get cold feet they're starting to their conscience is like well maybe we shouldn't blow up a bunch of innocent people

[Hescher]

couldn't have a nine year old right

[Jamie]

they're like we could be discovered at any moment so by this time the co conspirators had grown to like around thirteen people and one of them cracked and warned a friend who was a baron so they sent the baron a letter warning him not to attend the parliament meeting on november fifth and so word quickly got back to king james they searched the building and they found guy fawkes down there underneath chilling with all of the gunpowder he's hanging out

[Hescher]

with all the gunpowder right he's just

[Jamie]

sitting there and he was like i'm just an employee and this cellar was rented by my master a guy named thomas percy and they're like oh that guy that's a crazy catholic zealot and so they're like looking into this more he's a known agitator they come back to question guy again he proceeds to tell them that his name is john johnson so like what is up with that they searched him they found these kind of like long matches that are meant to ignite trails of gunpowder and

[Hescher]

the didn't find six long daggers i don't remember yeah i always wondered when i watched that movie the first time like how how much of this guy's personality was actually real like the actions of the main character in the movie

[Jamie]

right v right so they got guy the other guys catsby and the others they fled the city they raided a castle on the way and they hid out with their guns and their powder in a safe house but the gunpowder that they had robbed was all wet so they couldn't use it so they stuck it in front of a fire oh dot dot dot yeah they boomed themselves and so they were wounded they were blown up and then the next day like two hundred kingsmen tracked him down and finished them off so meanwhile the tower of london they've got you know guy fawkes he had not given up his co conspirators good old chad guy fox he was doing good under torture he was being belligerent he was in high spirits but after two days he was sentenced to hang and be drawn and quartered which is not the funnest thing to get but he actually dead ass he jumps off the scaffolding and breaks his own neck because drawn and quartered they hang you first and then they not until you're dead they just hang you right and harangue you and then they take you out and they cut your guts out and they cut you into pieces so he's like i'm not having that so he just jumped off and broke his own neck

[Hescher]

pretty badass if you ask me but still like oh gosh you know when you when you really think about it especially the way that that king james and that monarchy took it and you know kind of twisted was almost like we see things like this happen now sometimes

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[Hescher]

for example what we've talked about with jay and you many times the newberg sting or you know other cases like the ninety three wtc failed failed bombing attempt those kind of things where it's like the plot is very similar except in some of these cases there is actually a intelligence or a law enforcement person in there you know many people would say what's the word when they entice or why am i blanking on the word when entrap many people say they're basically doing entrapment to get people to become sort of like modern day guy fawkes type characters and then use the narrative that is spun around that event to create policy or you know take away freedoms or liberties or you know stuff like that we see this a lot we have solid evidence of of that happening and and now more so and at a quicker rate than ever as it's interesting the way like it's kind of like never let a crisis go to that saying never let a good crisis go to waste like if something like that pops up organically it can be used by a monarch or a president or a media system or an ngo system or whatever to twist it any way they want yeah or the

[Jamie]

entire thing could have just been rotten from the beginning because this i'm not gonna say the word but this book big nine synthetic terror classic on the very last page it talks about the gunpowder plotters it says a myth since the seventeenth century the patsies of the popish plot so like we said it was catholics against protestants so you've got some fake flag elements maybe in here like crystal knock you know what i'm talking about yeah yep so it says the patsies of the popish plot of november fifth guy fawkes the most infamous fall guy is third from the right and they have this old wood cut of the guys can you see that oh wow yeah it says percy was a double agent instigating the plot for the royal chancellor lord cecil two thousand five marked the fourth anniversary of the big nine and the four hundredth anniversary of state sponsors false flag trr or synthetic trr in the english speaking world guy fawkes day even now few people understand the plot guy was no fox but a dupe and stared by the chief minister himself in a madcap skiing to blow up the king in parliament real plot was royally successful to invest a pretext for war with spain this fraud was the foundation of the british empire in eighteen ninety eight the american century was ushered in by a similar anti spanish hoax the bombing of the uss maine so it goes on to say like so many fake trrs and

[Hescher]

fake flags right and it's like at the time england was deeply divided between protestant ruling elite and catholic minorities basically facing persecution and the catholics were being fined for not attending protestant services they were being barred from political power and they were viewed as political or not political but potential traitors due to loyalty fears toward rome so and at the time it's my understanding that many had hoped that king james the first would ease restrictions when he took the throne a couple years before this and when he did not he you know actually things got worse that was when frustration and radicalization grew among some catholics but then after these events this monarchy is able to now say see we told you all catholics are extremists so does this sound familiar is this this chain of events and narrative management sounding familiar

[Jamie]

to everybody yet yeah and i know you guys are like what does it have to do with epstein and the files when we're gonna get there we have so much notes so i wanted to go in chronological order because this has to do with v for vendetta and pizzagate so yeah if you've never been there for whatever reason the origin of a good majority of internet culture started on four chan i mean have you heard of riprolling have you heard of lolcats have you heard of memes i mean that's basically where memes come from is this internet i can has cheeseburger remember that one all the old

[Hescher]

dank classic memes right yeah oh absolutely yeah and there were a lot of

[Jamie]

like

[Hescher]

crap posting and fishing and trying to create trends like they would make like somebody on there like a savvy troll on four chan would write a blog post or somewhere somewhere else and then link it on there and it would be completely fabricated it would be like say i recall one we covered on boiler room where it was like women are what were they doing like like something with their menstrual blood something gross with their menstrual blood and it was like and and they said oh it's a it's a form of protest against you know orange man or something like that and then people actually started doing it and posting videos of themselves doing it like blue haired liberal chicks and angry femme nazis were were like doing these things and then posting it and the you know trolls on four chan are laughing about it because you know they made it up it was fake but then people do it you know so so that fueled the fire people started having fun engaging in early cultural warfare with you know unfortunately low iq people or you know people that are ignorant to what's going on on on the site i'm so glad you

[Jamie]

brought that up because it is life imitating trolling it's not even art right and this goes deeper than just funny pranks it's also about how do you say it see sam is that the way to see it now oh yeah yeah see sam yep yeah because that's a big part of it on four

[Hescher]

chan

[Jamie]

and like i said it's the crossroads of the internet it is like the it's the dungeon it's the base of it it's right it's like the

[Hescher]

primordial back alley behind the dumpster so

[Jamie]

this site was launched in two thousand three by a one christopher poole who goes by moot so he's like the ultimate moderator he was a fifteen year old student from new york city and he had been a regular participant on the website something awful remember that website yeah yeah so back then we had something awful we had rotten dot com if you were like a weird curious person trying to look at you know taboo things something awful was good for that so they had a sub forum called anime death tentacle r word whorehouse okay this is where forging came from something awful's board called that thing and he copied the japanese image board format and he invited all the anime death tentacle people their members to discuss anime manga on the his new website called

[Hescher]

four chan oh boy so i imagine the the series uratsuki doji was very popular among these guys yes so have you heard of weeaboos yeah yeah okay

[Jamie]

before there was incels there were weeaboos and this is the home of those guys the first board was random b and it's funny because when i joined there wasn't a lot of i didn't you don't join you just lurk yeah okay you're smart yeah when i started lurking the funniest thing on there was long cat which was just like some guy holding up this cat in the

[Hescher]

cat remember long cat yeah it was like garfield colored right like gold so

[Jamie]

that's how long i've been visiting this place i mean i don't go there anymore for several years because it's just so different now but it was a random board it's supposed to be just whatever but it became super pornographic other boards were added just to have that you know so he could keep it in that space but it didn't matter so the whole website was a mixture of like cute anime cartoons pornography and cute anime pornography cartoons yeah yeah and

[Hescher]

it bred and it bred a whole new archetype of american male in particular yes one that was really not found in the wild before this you know they've started in pretty small numbers and i don't think that you could really notice them or pick out why they're different but the mindset of especially of the people that would post there and obsessively you know engage with everything new creature a new a new type of

[Jamie]

human yeah i'm so glad you said that because the the boys that hung out there you could definitely tell they were being turned into something that was not normative right because you got early

[Hescher]

nudging right early cybernetic nudging yes you've

[Jamie]

got hentai on there you've got yaoi i don't even know how to say it but it was like it's boy love so it's gay anime corn it's anime and manga corn it's

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[Jamie]

them yeah so that's japanese anime see sam right and they were actually taken down for real cp in two thousand four but they were let back on so they eventually expanded to video games music conspiracy etcetera and this is where i found conspiracies so this is where i first heard of alex jones that's where i first saw the video of him like going to bohemian grove this is where i first heard of jordan maxwell michael dasarian all of the like super classic conspiracy guys of the o's

[Hescher]

yeah yep i remember finding like jeff rents and project camelot and exactly project

[Jamie]

camelot gary cassidy freeman who else like they were all being they weren't on there it was other people posting their

[Hescher]

work right right they were just they just had those little like remember the real player they just had a little real player somewhere with like the audio of stuff they said and it before we even called it a podcast it was just like a real player file i guess i don't even remember what we called that kind of interview back

[Jamie]

then there was no youtube there was just google video right yep yep and

[Hescher]

it wasn't super useful or helpful but

[Jamie]

yeah i watched all of the what were those prophecy club the christian conspiracy guys of the nineties so much was coming out of this place and it's funny that when you go there i don't know if it's still like this but they used to have a quote at the very top and it would say the stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood only a fool would take anything posted here as fact so that was kind of their motto right it's like starting

[Hescher]

an episode of south park it's just like nobody should watch this yes this

[Jamie]

should not be viewed by anyone so since the beginning they've been irreverent they've been offensive they've been nihilistic they've because they're anonymous because you could just say whatever and that attitude now has spilled over into mainstream social media where everybody's just like a sassy like clapback

[Hescher]

and they may not even be anonymized like a lot of people just doing that under their their own name now yeah

[Jamie]

that's what i mean like it's so normal that you just like you say that on x like you just have this confidence to cut down anybody that

[Hescher]

you've never met right like in a way that you would probably in many cases not do if you were standing face to face with that person oh

[Jamie]

heck no no way so to them it was like nothing matters except for the entertainment of trolling and doing it for the lulz right there's no consequences on there for the csan there's no consequence for racism there's no consequence for misogyny or like r word jokes anything like that so the hyperbolic nature of mainstream reports when they were starting to come out into the world like fox news called them internet hate machine hackers on steroids right but it just fueled them because they saw themselves reflected in mainstream culture now now they're out of the basement out of mom's basement and they're on fox news they're like oh anonymous made it that's me that's us right so this is where we even get the concept of trolling in the

[Hescher]

first place right i remember when anonymous first showed up at least at least hit my radar i think it was like twenty eleven and like many new internet phenomena or personalities in this case it's not really a personality but you'll still see this with modern internet personalities influencers ambassadors that kind of thing it's like when they first hit the ground it's super polished and it's saying things that are easy to resonate with easy to bring in a large audience with and you know full of ideas you know actionable ideas which does that even more and i remember for the first year year and a half two years much like you know i could say the same for like project veritas for example it's like when that thing starts you know the first few years it's just like banger banger wow that's great oh amazing you know great work or great presentation or thought inspiring or you know easy to latch onto good conversation starter that kind of thing but then something changes or an event happens and the personality or in this case with anonymous what do we call it an organization an idea a legion yeah all of a sudden they're like hey you know take your jabs and wear your masks or something like that you know an event will happen and all of a sudden they'll just say something that just turns off like three quarters of their audience and all of a sudden they're like like a dog with a bone on that topic we see this a lot and i think oftentimes that's a sign of a group that's compromised or a person that's compromised but it's very difficult to tell well we're gonna

[Jamie]

get into that because we have seen in this new file dump that they are compromised big time and infiltrated because right around the time that four chan was like taking off in the two thousand five v for vendetta comes out right and he is like the masked character who resonated with the anonymous anti establishment ethos because we were all young we were all like the internet's gonna free up so much yeah f the

[Hescher]

system we're taking over this town yeah

[Jamie]

open source everything whatever and so unless where was i going to go with that yeah so they're anti establishment they take after v well let's just talk about the movie for a second

[Hescher]

rewards yeah first thing i want to mention about the movie is it's based on a graphic novel by british writer alan moore talked about alan moore a couple of times in the past he's sort of the the gandalf of graphic novels if you will not just because he looks that way but he's a really good writer and he's able to take things based you know oftentimes based on historical events and and tweak them you know to his own sort of i don't know he's he's very he's a guy that's into magic he's a guy that knows a lot about crowley he's you know he's he's that kind of guy he's a guy who's really into esoterics so i think that in and of itself combined with the fact that he's you know taking the concept of you know fake flag operations and propaganda from the seventeenth century and presenting it in sort of a unknown time period i don't really know it's hard to say like when v for vendetta takes place but they have modern blocks and

[Jamie]

stuff like that it's crazy because it's set in twenty twenty okay all right

[Hescher]

yeah okay so that is kind of weird right like twenty twenty the year that like everybody experienced a lot of loss of you know freedom of movement freedom of you know choice medical procedures

[Jamie]

and such yeah so it's written before two thousand five by alan moore like you said who's a kabbalist magician he also wrote watchmen which is pretty prophetic and actually jay did a really good chapter in esoteric hollywood two about v for vendetta and in that book he says the movie is about a sophisticated managed dialectics and ritual psychodrama that deludes the rebellious young pop mind into thinking it is part of an anti establishment v mask movement known as anarchism anarchism is chaos magic intent on releasing the forces of a destruction under a self deluded belief in engineering a mass dark night of the soul to create the new man which is the true liberty

[Hescher]

kind of reminds me of this might sound way out of left field but it reminds me of snowpiercer in the sense that they at the front of the engine where they do the social engineering and all that kind of stuff where the engineer the oligarch lives they know there are rebellions happening they're allowing rebellions to happen so that they can cull parts of the herd so that they can institute new procedures new policies so that they can consolidate resources like this is the way oligarchs and technocrats think they think in hundred year chunks fifty year chunks thirty year chunks and they set goals and that's what the cfr is that's what davos is that's what the world economic forum is that's arguably what the un has been at certain points is just a star chamber of culture creators and technocrats and ghoul

[Jamie]

people yeah and i'm so glad you mentioned technocracy because that's the end of the show and that's where we're seeing jeffrey epstein steering all of this stuff even though we think we're winning or whatever it's like palantir is still going link neuralink all of these ai and you know man made horrors beyond comprehension are full steam ahead right full steam

[Hescher]

we'll talk about that later too like how much money goes into that what those initiatives are called it's crazy

[Jamie]

so real quick about anarchism because this is what four chan is about because it's anonymous it's anarchy it is well jace in his book he says it's the fullest manifestation of jacobin lady liberty the real masonic mystagogy is that v is lucifer who initiates eve into the cult of liberty right if you guys think liberty is like this great thing i'm gonna do a talk about from rome to washing dc where we go into where does that idea really come from in the phrygian liberty cap and stuff like that that's just a little trailer for later but the plot of v for vendetta revolves around a pharmaceutical company and a political elite that have staged a bio release to gain political power

[Hescher]

do you remember that yeah yeah we started watching the movie before i came on the show here and i was just like oh my gosh i've seen this movie enough times i've read the graphic novel i have it you know it's in the it's in one of my book boxes but considering everything that has happened in the last six years since i've seen it last maybe eight years since i've seen it last it's got like there's something something about alan moore like he really knew how to sort of take what has happened before and repurpose it for what's about to happen again he's able to really show that sixteen oh five cycle happening in contemporary time

[Jamie]

so v is this like he's a ruse of managed anti establishment rebellion that plays right into the hands of the establishment right like guy fawkes epic fail guy and he's he's also this like he's like managed faux rebellion in the midst of an alchemical transformation which we see in evie who goes from just a naive anybody any girl to a soldier in this army because she went through this mk ultra trauma

[Hescher]

based programming right yeah she spent all this time you know isolated essentially just all the tropes you could think of about occult about mk ultra about like he said trauma based mind control you know being having stockholm syndrome i mean all the different psychological things that you could think of for a case like that apply here and yeah it shows in that she goes from basically the disrespected coffee gopher tv station to you know a militant soldier all of you know ninety pounds soaking wet or whatever

[Jamie]

and so she is just working at this network where britain in the movie is under a totalitarian government called norse fire i had i had to look that up because i didn't know what it was called but norse fire is this like neo fascist white supremacist group who gained power for promising restoration after a nuclear war between us and soviet union decimates the earth is this sounding

[Hescher]

weird yeah and in the beginning of the movie they have the like you know alex jones type character or sean hannity type character who's broadcasting he's you know just talking about how terrible america the the country formerly known as the united states so he's indicating that you know the united states is in a bad situation it does sound like there's you know a nuclear fallout situation they're sending tobacco and grain to to to london as a show of goodwill and he's like you know tea party it throw it in the water we don't need the you know crappy goods from the you know sphincter of the world so america has clearly fallen at this point and britain is in a major technocratic totalitarian state yes very much like

[Jamie]

nineteen eighty four the injury in that looks like that and the party is like some kind of christian nationalist party in public but privately the high ranking members get away with the usual the sex scandals the drug use the r words the child abuse and murder and

[Hescher]

you know taking out political opponents telling people everybody's on curfew you can't go outside after nine pm that kind of

[Jamie]

thing so they're completely corrupt and even in the scene where evie has to dress up like a little girl to seduce one of the higher ups right yeah oh ironically this is funny too because v is also an archetype of for your like reddit fedora atheist anti

[Hescher]

establishment guy he is yeah definitely right he's very verbose he's hawks like that

[Jamie]

they wear the fedora so he is some kind of archetype for both of the left on reddit and the like weird alt right on four chan which

[Hescher]

is interesting also because in internet current internet culture or internet culture of the like you know last eleven years guy fawkes first like we said came up with anonymous and it was you know sort of the symbol of anonymous which you know if you've been living under a rock or didn't know is basically a un a decentralized hacker group who who does activism over hacking right so that was sort of their thing and they would threaten governments and you know say hey we're gonna you know dox you or whatever and you know there some good events in the early days but later it's like the guy fox mask now

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[Hescher]

a provecha oy you could don a guy fawkes mask if you're antifa if you're you know some other kind of hacker like it pretty much can go on anybody now for like the daily shooter program it's like you know it used to just be this kind of person but now just you know choose your own adventure we got a flavor for everybody yeah

[Jamie]

there is a container for all of your like anti establishment what is it called rebellion yes so everyone's rebellion is co opted yeah and then the movie the former united states they call it is like it's cooked because it's considered to be in judgment for their liberalism and they blame the us for creating this plague when we find out it was actually the british government with the pharmaceutical company trying to make money so it's revealed that the chancellor was involved in research for biological weapons they created a virus and a cure and unleashed it on the people to make the pharmaceutical company money with the stabs hmm gee

[Hescher]

okay that's a little on the nose at this point looking backward gee where have we heard this plot before

[Jamie]

yeah and this is crazy so they blame in the movie they blame the virus on their opponents calling it saint mary's virus and saying that christian extremists created the virus so we're getting layers and layers and layers of espionage religion zealotry deception all of this stuff exactly what we're seeing now and the character v he is this tortured political prisoner who became a test subject of the stabby but they messed up and created a villain super soldier oops i hate it when that happens and he gets his name from the roman numeral five on his cell door so that's why

[Hescher]

they call him v okay yeah so mind control gone bad creates super villain super villain uses mind control tactics that were used on him to corrupt girl super villain probably actually still under control of the super corrupt government but no one's gonna really know that because he's he represents all of a certain mindset right this this crazy like anomaly of a human being that has this insane narrative around him is now supposed to represent everybody in that category and that you can see the same thing happening to conservatives now i'll throw a bone to the other side you can see the same thing happening to trans people now right because we had these incidents at these schools and you know it's like painting it's just normalizing painting with a super broad identity politics brush like like good bad good bad you know just as thick as those black lines in the redactions from the epstein files

[Jamie]

and so he escapes this facility and he's seeking vengeance on this corrupt authority by becoming a symbol of anarchy but the anarchy is also bad right and

[Hescher]

also using violence also using coercion also using you know mind control so it's like okay how do i differentiate these it's it becomes the you know do the means justify the ends thing and you're you're right back in the identity politic dialectic just like right now yeah

[Jamie]

because he learned to torture evie from his experience right and he is somehow thinking that he's flipping this and curing her of her fear and he's doing this classic love hate monarch mind control programming and it's weird because he shaves her head in two thousand five and like less than a year and a half later britney spears actually goes out and shaves her head yeah right yep so evie's transformed britney's transformed vee becomes all of us right so he's like the us against them the david and goliath who stands against tyranny and that is what both sides say social justice lawyers antifa all of these people saying we stand against tyranny and the alt right we stand against tyranny and maga conservatives they're all like saying the same thing and the motto was remember remember the fifth of november and guess what happened to be the day donald trump was elected in twenty twenty four yeah

[Hescher]

how about that is it getting weird

[Jamie]

enough for you is this just i

[Hescher]

don't know i need it so weird that when we hang up i'm like am i still even on this world or am i literally out of this

[Jamie]

world yes we are blasting off right now oh my gosh because did we even talk about yes let's talk about

[Hescher]

gamergate oh yeah okay because that's that's kind of when four chan like right after that's when they had to make slash pol right yes okay so october

[Jamie]

twenty eleven okay jeffrey epstein meets with moot christopher pool and launches the board poll like literally that day or within a couple days of meeting with him and this is the political board and it's supposed to stand for politically incorrect right and don't know these days right oh and also at the same time they launched the board hardcore you know you've got to have your corn along with your activism right

[Hescher]

gotta unwind right

[Jamie]

well ironically in twenty nineteen a report of jeffrey epstein's death was posted on poll around forty minutes before even abc news got it and we're going to talk about pepe in a second but this is where pepe starts to come into play into a let's see let me show you this picture because we already said this maxwell was a power mod on the reddit board our world news and other large communities on reddit her father academic textbook manufacturer who is marxist critical race theory feminism all of that so there's left and right again yeah okay and i'm going to show you this picture of the hole he's

[Hescher]

not oh yeah i remember that they made patches of that at one point you could get a patch with the

[Jamie]

keck so it's an octopus an evil octopus with a black cube in space with his tentacles all over a lolly supposed to represent the earth the planet yep yeah and it says nothing is beyond our reach not even the children is what they're saying with that right

[Hescher]

that yep i can verify for the audio listeners that's what it says nothing

[Jamie]

is beyond our reach

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[Hescher]

and

[Jamie]

then we have gamergate which introduces us to a man called steve bannon or you've been hearing his name a lot

[Hescher]

this week well yeah he's been his name has been getting amplified a lot

[Jamie]

lately so in the alt right nebulous you've got lots of different kinds of people some good people and some really rotten people and you've got like weird grifter people too because this red pill stuff also plays into this because in october twenty thirteen the book the rational mail was published and considered to be the bible of the red pill by a guy named rolo tomasi and so this rational mail mixed with the pickup artist stuff was what launched red pill in twenty thirteen and then gamergate happened in twenty fourteen so i'm kind of trying to give you guys a timeline of why you hate each other and why men hate women and why women can't stand men because you're being programmed to literally yeah right you're being forced

[Hescher]

into a dialectic where you have to choose between being harsh and hard and angry or being dominated and abused and most people will go for being harsh and angry rather than you know being

[Jamie]

feeling like they're cattle and so if you're a normie if you're a turbo not chronically online person you probably don't know a lot about gamergate but this was very pivotal to the culture especially for young kids okay because we're old and we already are set in our like we we like each other i have no problem with men as a class or women but here you have this entire gender war being fomented over video games so in twenty thirteen a female game developer and yes she's a they them she's a

[Hescher]

there are they

[Jamie]

she's a libbed hard for sure she developed this game called depression quest right and it's based on her own experience with the issue the game received a lot of positive reviews in the media but four chan hated it and there was this giant backlash from gamers who disliked the political intrusions or the wokeness so this is where you start seeing the word woke and anti woke and sjw and this girl she was already like they called her a lolcow okay a jester that's good for a lot of laughs i guess but they had already been harassing her before she made this game and then after they just like took off so it was this whole thing she was subjected to several months of harassment including death threats she had to move and then you have right wing journalist milo yiannopoulos mm familiar yeah well he's got the tea on

[Hescher]

everybody sure does he's still dumping it all over x this week and he's

[Jamie]

got receipts yes sometimes his target is somebody i don't like so i'm like

[Hescher]

yes fine yeah let's see screenshot let's

[Jamie]

see it yeah i'm like yeah okay back then he popularized the hashtag gamergate on breitbart news and it became one of the most prominent voices and starting this anti feminist movement more broadly right so this harassment of more gamergate targets began and extended to all women not just annoying lived hard depressed developers yeah the overton window expanded to include all

[Hescher]

men became very very ideological to the tune of like you may not get along with fifty percent of the population

[Jamie]

right and i remember we did a show a couple years ago where we were talking about this red pill stuff yep and i told you if you can give somebody somebody to hate you can take all their money it's the

[Hescher]

easiest person to take it from yeah

[Jamie]

there there are a war against social justice warriors this is where the term first originated actually and white knights which are men who do not enjoy disparaging women yes the enemy right

[Hescher]

right so so a nexus point for for the on the ground culture war you know i guess turned into on the ground kind of but again another example of something a concept being introduced on the internet potentially by people like the friends of jeffrey network and and seeing that blossom and then cause harm you know cause division make gaming not fun anymore for a lot of people and the long term harm is that gamergate messed up gaming like now there are so many games that are not good because they feel like they have to have those social justice items in there like this got doubled and tripled and quadrupled down on and it's built into you know first person shooters there are first person shooter games where you can't get like a badass dude character they're all like you know a female medic who's you know fifty five or something like that it's like why why is someone's grandma wearing a plate carrier and carrying an m four on my game i don't get it like i don't want to hear women crying in agony in battle when i'm trying to play some freaking xbox you know what i mean it's like i want dudes killing dudes the way it used to be call me you know an ist or an old guy or whatever but it's just like the point is like this was spawned online it was you know all this ire was you know funneled through four chan and the people that are the mods there who the heck are these people well we heard a couple of the names they're in that friends of jeffrey circle

[Jamie]

and so it's like would you rather be on the red team friends with jeffrey or the blue team friends with ghislaine right insufferable yeah

[Hescher]

yeah it's the old south park who are you going to vote for giant douche or turd sandwich i mean which

[Jamie]

one so enter giant douche steve bannon yeah who has been blowing up this week because he was in a documentary with epstein who he's trying to rehabilitate his reputation after he's been convicted of all of these crimes so steve bannon former white house chief strategist and executive chair at breitbart where milo came from he was the ceo of world of warcraft the gold farming company so you could buy the spend your money in the world of warcraft you would go

[Hescher]

to them so he was or whatever

[Jamie]

yeah he was also an advisor to jeffrey epstein helping him with media training before he went to prison there are also framed photos of bannon and epstein together in epstein's new york city house like so it wasn't just a business relate like these guys were besties for

[Hescher]

sure yeah right you don't i mean i love you guys i don't have a framed picture of me with you guys in the house we've got some instagram posts up but i mean what is that i mean that's odd selfies

[Jamie]

of the two of them together in a full length mirror he's sitting there talking to epstein at his desk and there's like nasty pictures on the desk and this guy it works he's on rumble okay he works with nick fuentes and all of this alt right people so because he figured out that incels are easily manipulated he yeah that they

[Hescher]

don't have because they don't have a voice of reason sitting in the house with them you know i mean there's not i don't have a wife or a girlfriend there to go hey what do you what do you mean you're gonna do xyz you know it's just like these people have rejected everybody self rejected everybody so that they can justify feeling rejected and it's like yeah that's a perfect target for a psychological operation

[Jamie]

yeah who knew sitting in a dark room looking at dirty cartoons would make you like not people want to hang

[Hescher]

out with you right thought your kid was just in there watching uratsuki doji and maybe that's okay but no so

[Jamie]

bannon viewed these guys these disaffected male gamers he recognized this was a powerful force that could be mobilized to elect

[Hescher]

donald trump so stupid reality is so

[Jamie]

stupid called them rootless he said they were a monster energy that he could harness himself he called them chronically online ruthless white males with monster power against social justice warriors so first they got to go against women with the gamergate calling women foids it's a void i missed that one that's like a female

[Hescher]

android okay all right fembot sort of

[Jamie]

thing yeah not even a person not even a human you're just void like less than an npc okay okay roasties do you hear that one no

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[Jamie]

business credit you don't know what a roast

[Hescher]

is no i'm not familiar with this

[Jamie]

one either why are you so wholesome okay roasty is like that spit roast related you've been to arby's yeah and you've had like their arby's roast beef

[Hescher]

sandwich okay i know we're headed yeah

[Jamie]

i got you because they think that the more experience a girl has the worse her parts are going to look oh yeah okay that's how you know these guys have never been in the

[Hescher]

room with a woman say say the guys who haven't seen one yet so

[Jamie]

apparently through use they think that it's going to turn out to look like an arby's roast beef sandwich okay all

[Hescher]

right wow i'm so glad i didn't know that until now and i don't know what i'll do with it going

[Jamie]

forward but vernacular online why do you

[Hescher]

know this game i don't know i guess i do protect myself a little bit from all the toxicity

[Jamie]

so they've got their common enemies they've got which is cult indoctrination one hundred one right right and you've got these crusades against wokeness you've got them making fun of it calling it weaponized autism right because they're just a collective and it's weird that they're called anonymous because they call themselves legion which is a name for demons in the bible yep right i'm legion because i have many so you've got crusades against metoo all of the

[Hescher]

lying whores psyop against psyop it's like spy versus spy but it's just you know brain dead psyop versus brain npc psyop versus npc psyop yep so you

[Jamie]

want to squash all of these girls who are trying to come out against like harvey weinstein and the victoria's secret scandal and peter nygarden like all of these things four chan is there to squash it and say this is feminism and you're a roasty right oh yeah not every girl is one hundred percent honest i'm not saying that but i'm just saying this is way above your head if you're just a normal person

[Hescher]

yeah yeah and you get the most extreme examples you know and you know to be fair there are a lot of extreme examples and you know the many of the main tenants in some of the red pill community when people were on their way to you know the extreme that they landed at in their worldview are valid you know but there are things you can protect yourself against there are lessons you can learn from other people's mistakes but that's not really the way it's framed for them the way it's framed for them is basically you know just you're hosed you're always at the legal and cultural short end of the stick if you want to have a relationship so just don't bother just be pissed yeah and be vocal about it you know totally black

[Jamie]

pilled who are these anti woke warriors who are against all of this metoo and they're starting the repeal the nineteenth in twenty thirteen starting to talk about this peter thiel elon musk larry summers steve bannon donald trump sinking me too and proved laws don't apply to rich and powerful people like epstein who in his emails they say things like women are all weak men are powerful powerful men will not be held accountable epstein was also talking about women after like post menopause they can just like be thrown into the wood chipper i forget how exactly he said it but like should they be biofuel or something like

[Hescher]

that oh my gosh wow yeah so yeah the the level of just like disdain for humanity and showboating their you know their their just the self aggrandizing of the kind of anti human hatred that they held for other people i mean the amount of times the word goam was used in the entire dump is insane and now everybody knows that word and like it used to be kind of you know especially up until like two years ago it was like not a word many people knew or if they did they didn't take it very seriously but now like you know copies of the book where they describe all that stuff are going like hotcakes on amazon because people are like this can't be real like they can't really be talking about us like this like they made me watch schindler's list like five times in school and you guys are talking about us like this like wait a minute why am i just now here like so many people are like why am i just now hearing

[Jamie]

this and this is crazy too because it's going to create a lot of anti semitism towards people who don't deserve it that are just jewish yup right

[Hescher]

that is a big hegelian hole that we have right here and a thing that i think we've talked about before and a lot of us have been wondering like okay it seemed like the overton window for being able to discuss this topic got shoved wide open you know back when oddly enough milo yiannopoulos showed up with alex jones and nick fuentes right after elon bot x that's when it became okay to talk about this stuff and am i supposed to not notice that am i really supposed to not notice that like that was the biggest like like wtf am i looking at and a lot of people just dismissed it but it was like to me it was like wait a minute something just shifted here something big just shifted here all of a sudden you know it used to be like you wanted to hear talk like that you go to like you know david duke's channel or something like that and you know he was just the most hated person on the internet and now that's like all these people all these people like when they learn a lot of these things about how our country interacts with that country they get angry and it's unfortunately a natural reaction but there's a lot of it right now and i think you know when that overton window was forced open for this conversation to be had allowed to be had if i may it's because there's an end game to it it's because there's a solution coming down the pipe and we're not going to be allowed to talk about it at some point

[Jamie]

yeah and it's gonna be horrific if people don't overcome these cults that they're being pushed into by the algorithm antisemitic cult because you used to have to go to four chan to get your anti semitism yeah right because that's where it started i mean the graveler you know that meme where he's going like this yep that came from four chan twenty years ago or more amazing isn't

[Hescher]

it how long this has been in our little internet zeitgeist and how like under the rug it was and now it's just like neon signs everywhere

[Jamie]

and well speaking of jew stuff it's they're not even they're frankist for one so it's not all jews but they do mention magic and kabbalah in steve bannon and epstein interview and the zohar is explicitly referenced in the files so we are dealing with black magic here

[Hescher]

chaos magic another thing people don't want to hear and don't want to admit to themselves like you know you think about the people in your life that are you know looking for some sort of participation and representation in the system and they just can't accept that this isn't a system that has that anymore

[Jamie]

they're always posting things like this is what they took from you so that's how you get somebody to listen to you you're like somebody's stealing from you and they're like oh who and they tell you oh it's the juice it's the this it's the that it's the blacks it's like they're always trying to tell disenfranchised young impressionable men who don't have a lot of out of the internet experience that your life is not the way you want it to look like because of these this this and women

[Hescher]

right you know whatever it's like it's it's speaking to you right it's meant to say oh i resonate with that this this idea is you're echoing how i feel it you know my worldview clicks with this but you it's sort of a manufactured thing right like especially when you're young you know something's not right but it's difficult to put your finger on it it's you know a rebellion might be required and you have the you know you want to have the energy to be part of that but how to apply it you're given all these options about how to apply it right go go join antifa go to a protest go to college go start a family you know what i mean like there's all these different things you can do that attract you as a young person or anyone as an act of rebellion against whatever system you think is most oppressive oh heck i

[Jamie]

mean i'll hear your grievances i don't want to pay taxes yeah you know like i know stuff is wrong but just sitting in a dark room gooning to my little pony you can't let

[Hescher]

some or letting some some person predate on you and say hey that's a you should be mad about that you should you know you should act like it's sixteen oh five a lot of that going on in the background oh

[Jamie]

for sure which brings us to magic and meme magic and pepe remember pepe oh yeah i don't know if i have my book in here yes i

[Hescher]

do

[Jamie]

so i used to like pepe when we first you know started going to four chan i thought he was funny he was just this like good natured frog he say phil's good man

[Hescher]

right he reminded me of kind of feelings that feels i used to get when i'd read frog and toad in sixth grade frog and toad was so cool man i would always get frog and toad books on book day there you go look at that yes that's the best right there adventures of frog

[Jamie]

and toad i read this all the time in i do have a pepe in here i was looking for it but i can't find it but i don't want to bore you guys so he comes from this two thousand five comic called boys club which is like a reflection of slacker life gamer life snacks he's a chill character and this was the dawn of like you know dank memes and it was the first wave of meme magic which is a real thing so pepe gained traction as this template for a wide range of emotions and scenarios and you even have like apu and the other little like pepe look alikes right right and on four chan and internet users began to believe that sharing memes particularly pepe memes could influence real world outcomes so their past trolling and just trying to get like oprah to say over nine thousand and goofy stuff like that which they did now they're like kind of harnessing this collective power which they do talk about in like tibetan they call it egregors they call them thought forms tulpas so this is what they're going for here they were toying with the idea that memes as a form of collective manifestation or digital sorcery with pepe as a central figure and symbol of a deeper more chaotic internet culture

[Hescher]

yeah right totally it's it's like symbols they evolve when when it's a with in meme culture in meme warfare you've got like things can go from a harmless comic to a political signal to a cultural totem they become morale tools they become recruitment signals they become identity markers so like really memes compress ideology into images and this is the perfect time for ideologies to be compressed into images because we live with tiktok brain we live with adhd we live with you know twenty four seven infinite doom scroll so they have to be able and it's so strange because it's like back in twenty fifteen twenty sixteen you know and even earlier than that in the four chan days days we're talking about it was like knew what this was even if you were just a lurker and appreciator an enjoyer like you could feel something happening there this is different you know just it was like oh wow like just a couple of words in an image does so much in your brain whether it you know tickles confirmation bias or makes you think outside the box or something like that but just like in this modern world we're in now twenty first century of social media ideologies compressed into an image i think that is a really strange place to be but it's not that strange if you really think about it because you look back and it's like okay this is sort of one of the tools with which we're propagandized now right ideologies and images it's not that different from you know the nineteen forties or something like that when you're just getting the sunday paper and watching one hour of abc news every night or something like that it's the same magic it's just there's a lot it's the same magic but with wi fi yeah i mean

[Jamie]

carl jung would agree with all of that you know symbols are one of the most important things to our subconscious so working in this realm is adjacent to things like kabbalah and golden dawn stuff like that because kek or keku so you've got pepe the frog right and he's becoming this mascot of four chan and meme magic basically right and they found out that he is a primordial god in egyptian mythology symbolizing the darkness before creation or the chaotic void that existed before the universe so now they're kekians they're not just like funny four chan trolls anymore see that's the

[Hescher]

that's the evolution right there from harmless comic to political signal to cultural totem what you just described right there is it turning into that cultural totem yes

[Jamie]

and i mean even now people would recognize pepe as like a racist or an alt right character right when he didn't start out that way but they made him into kek kek from egypt was androgynous frog headed man or serpent headed woman and he is one of the eight gods of the ogdoad so i know a lot of you don't know egyptian mythology but so you have the ennead which is the nine gods that you've probably heard of isis osiris set those guys and then the eight was the ogdoad these primordial creatures you have four snakes and four frogs which they use in practical voodoo they use the ogdoad so four chan users drew these parallels between kek and the anarchy the absurdist nature of meme culture because it is absurd you can't control it like you can't pay to go viral you just have to it just has to happen yeah right that's why people buy bot farms because they don't know there there is no formula if we knew it we would do it every day i guess the formula now is just being as like rage baiting as possible like that's the closest you can get to a organic viral meat outrage

[Hescher]

and thirst that's pretty much all we

[Jamie]

got so this tech frog headed form and pepe's image was solidified as a symbol of chaos and the randomness of online experience remember we used to say random all the time yeah yeah like people say literally now all the time back then we say random that's so random so pepe is this avatar of meme magic and then as the mythos grew four chan began crafting this like digital religion around new magic and they even wrote this thing called the book of kek which outlines the philosophy of kek a subversive humor as a spiritual practice and path to enlightenment now i think a lot of content creators now are using that subversive humor tactic what

[Hescher]

do you think oh yeah absolutely absolutely and it's one of the reasons that comedians are all expected to talk about politics now that's relatively new and some of them don't want to but really it's all people want to hear about

[Jamie]

and you're probably saying like why do i care about what a bunch of nerds think about frog on the internet but this comes into our life like have you heard of doge they kind of made a lot of of changes in the three dimensional world doge was from four chan he was just a dog that was a funny looking shiba inu and we called him doge and now that is some kind of like thing that goes into our government i know they're done now but this is how memes become real right and elon

[Hescher]

what he made the dogecoin right before he bought x and and just played around you know made a couple posts about it and he's got such a huge following that it affected actual finance people made money people lost money yeah

[Jamie]

so the meme magic emphasizes the importance of going viral and what they called gets back then it was like if you posted something you would get a number like a random number and they were trying to like kind of like roll the dice and see if they could get some numerology out of this this so if they got like triples at the end that was something or quads or whatever so they were taking this as some kind of divination the

[Hescher]

numbers that's pretty wild yeah and they

[Jamie]

had all these numeric signs of divine favor from kek right it sounds like

[Hescher]

somebody with some cabala work was sitting there as a mod maybe boosting some of these or injecting some of these numerology ideas for perhaps i mean i

[Jamie]

don't just maybe kind of like mathematician who maybe who like worked at mit or harvard who had a lot of connection i don't know yeah right someone

[Hescher]

who might like know some spies or some culture creators or you know maybe maybe some messaging too like these kind of boards are a great place for creepy people to send messages coded messages to other creepy people like back in the eighties people used to do that that with the classifieds right they'd be like you know they'd set up some sort of code word with someone hey when you see this in the sunday paper you know xyz go to the dead drop or whatever like i think there's probably a lot of that like signaling going on on there for you know people people making money doing stuff

[Jamie]

yeah dog whistles for sure all right things that only you would recognize if you were in that culture so this meme magic is yeah the belief that through their viral nature memes can shape reality by influence events and creating seemingly impossible coincidences so this collective focus on a meme its repetition and symbolic weight carries an almost mystical power to affect outcomes in the real world and a lot of people think that this led the like laid down the runway for donald trump because he was the most outrageous candidate right he was the most

[Hescher]

random right right the most political the most politically incorrect like all those you know sort of subcategories of chan boards match perfectly and you know when you think back to sort of i guess we're sort of veterans in the meme war now and you think back to the early days it was very politically driven it was very culture war driven and like events and media snippets and stories and headlines and everything was it was almost like they were tailored for that for that place to be you know the place where things are litigated where things are where stories are laundered where you know trends are born and stuff like that so i think i was trying to make a point and i don't remember what it was but it's it's just like wow this really did seem to be like an internet hate machine that was like like nudging people right like you had people in there that were straight up catfishing being a personality that is not who they are because they're trying to inject something you have all these other people just lurking and other people trying to participate organically and assuming they're in a mostly organic environment but now look at it like we've so many feds on there like we just saw an article in a recent release just a couple months ago saying it was like like i don't want to pull the number out of my you know what but it was a crazy amount of users that were logging in from like quantico langley

[Jamie]

places like that yeah there was a couple like last year they found so many ip addresses from israel posting on four chan like maybe like oh to that too so yeah and they elected donald trump because it was absurd not because of any because this was before pizzagate like he was almost elected before that came out and because of pepe and four chan and them trying to shift perception and the course of history and then like out of this poll board in twenty seventeen became kekistan which was the fictional nation of anti normie citizens of meme warriors anime fandom meme creations and relentless trolling and irreverent political commentary against normies and social justice warriors so they liked donald because he was frank yeah he was not politically correct

[Hescher]

mm and isn't it interesting how so to get trump into the position the first time it was like you had to have this very punchy young sort of angry young christian sort of like characters right to prop him up you saw the as illustrated by the whole alt right experience and then they you know ostensibly to many people steal the election from donald trump the second time around and they give us sleepy joe or jim carrey or whoever's wearing that rubber mask no one knows kidding maybe anyways give us that and and they make everybody so mad at the you know the worst leftist policies you could would imagine twenty million people open borders and then throughout that particularly between twenty twenty two and twenty twenty four all these people shuffle and rearrange their their personality their politics their religion you know this is around the time that tulsi gabbard left the democrat party and changed her views on a bunch of stuff and started doing podcasts around the same time a bunch of people started kind of angling and maneuvering and then you get the you know the rebirth of maga after the midterms in twenty twenty two you've kind of got excuse me got a bit of a pepe in my throat you've got kind of got like mainstream conservative like dovetailing with you know people like me i was doing a show and i had a bunch of people from what was going to be the trump administration on my show and i'm saying stuff to them that you know like a normal dude like we're doing right now normal dude normal gal and it all makes sense and we're all kind of like you know jiving on most things but then october seventh happens and things start to split a little bit and then he actually gets elected again and this time it's not like excuse me it's not like that same group of like young gamer type people it's like like you know all of a sudden you've got the big names yeah now it's respectable yeah you've got elon musk you got larry ellison you got miriam adelson you've got you know all these people on board and it's just like and then the you know shooting the lobe off and all that stuff and then heals in two days all this crazy stuff happens it's like oh yeah this guy's getting elected yeah and then and what happened to all right it's gone right like so the the groups of people that got him elected the first time shattered gone personalities totally different the whole pr like push that was behind all those people just disappears no one talks about alt right anymore it's just maga what's up with maga it's gone it's not really there anymore it's been splintered into one hundred bazillion pieces intentionally as far as i can tell you've got the whole jq that we're talking about that has completely annihilated and fractured it it you've got october seventh completely annihilated and fractured it you got what's going on in the middle east you got what's potentially going on in iran north korea all over the place venezuela we're abducting elected leaders from sovereign countries and it's like it's it's almost like it was so intentional and all the messaging was there for us you know what i mean it's just like like okay this whole crazy chaos magic thing bloom around all right people and gamergate people and boom donald trump's here and you know everything's cool ugly culture wars for three and a half years and then it's you know COVID nineteen eighty four adventure should have been enough to get rid of them right then and there yeah but now we do this and the whole buildup of maga which was like this bigger thing right it's all these people people changing sides and stuff now none of them get along people are saying that in in the midterms the republicans are going to get their butts handed to them and they might but i think that's the whole point that's the whole point of all this yeah

[Jamie]

the whole point of this is technocracy i mean that that's the end right it's just end game totalitarian like v for vendetta surveillance state but so let me play this little video because these memes were portraying trump as god emperor yeah using pepe the frog as his mascot and they were widely circulated and then this kekistanian like movement flooded the internet with pro trump anti hillary content and this is where you learn how important the youth culture is with the irreverence the jokes the irony the trolling the absurdity they love that and they're thinking at the same time they are the defenders of free speech because they're going against the blue team so they have these memes as symbols of resistance and tools of political influence you've got memes featuring pepe with trump as a heroic or mythic figure reinforcing his image as the outsider or the non corrupt government right who promised to what drain the swamp he says i'm coming from outside i'm gonna drain the swamp he's some kind of like resistance against traditional politics and what they called the meme war of twenty sixteen like because old people are not going to win the meme war this is a young people people this is a chronically online thing and trump's image became intertwined with the lore of meme magic and trump becoming the anointed candidate of chaos they called him so let me play this video for you guys while you you can get a drink if your throat is dry or something

[Commercial/Announcer]

epstein chalkboard but in the recent files i found the wider picture that shows the full board all right class let's break it down ground this is a ritual system for social engineering look at the top distribution that's the bell curve population control the goal is to keep most people average dull and easy to manipulate by controlling exactly what they see now look at the machine code this is kabbalah stuff disguised as math m objects are mathematical objects to them your data miracles are engineered off the matrix is the cage and the university board is the gatekeeper then you see beauty that's tifferettes from the tree of life weaponized to gold tune your identity now look all the way to the right see this money sign dt this is the flow of capital the money sign proves that this is a funded operation in elite systems darpa tech and psychological warfare dt stands for digital twin it's a data driven replica of you a shadow self in ai form used to simulate your behavior they predict your outcomes and run psychological simulations before they ever deploy them in the real world they're not just watching you they're testing your digital twin to see how to break you and look at the code block sb zero zero that's the protocol the s with the t underneath that signal tuning they're tuning the signal of your behavior at the base layer ground zero using the digital twin as the blueprint it all leads to the lab high school recruitment points probably gate programs psyops and handlers they find you early mark you as gifted and tune your identity into the digital twin before you ever hit the university board this explains how they run the distribution rumors link ghislaine to maxwell hill the reddit powerhouse who controlled the flow of world news she was the operator the account went dark on june thirtieth twenty twenty exactly two days before she was arrested she was managing the frequency for the machine why do they do this why the rituals because the people running this board believe they are the nephilim bloodline to them humanity is just a resource to be farmed it's not just a science project yes it's a genetic destiny they're using this formula to install the hybrid god and reclaim the throne through transhumanism it's a map for elite tech overlords to mold identity hijack perception and control consciousness it's cabal turned into a weapon to install the hybrid god

[Jamie]

what do you think of that your digital twin used to mind control you

[Hescher]

well i assume that the digital twin will be super super helpful at first and then you will realize that you are now obsolete compared to your digital twin i think that's sort of the zoom out like long perspective on where that all heads and it's it's mind bending you know because on the one hand it's just like how but on the other hand when you see what's available right now for you know free it's like okay i can see the potential yeah but yeah what would who owns your digital twin i have so many questions do i own my digital twin how do i opt out of someone creating a digital twin for me in the first first place right if someone hacks you know me and uses my digital twin to do something that i wouldn't do you know what i mean it's just like and the idea of like a religion right being created inside of a virtual space or an artificial intelligence stack or something like that is a huge red flag for humanity and it's not something that is so out of this world it's not something that is unlikely in fact there's a ai company right now i forget what they're called at the moment but they created a fake narrative basically to sell their product to create buzz about their product and their product is a ai agent agent you can you know purchase this product and you can manage ai agents to do various things and whatnot and what they what they did was they said hey we we just had a one hundred and some odd ai agents create their own social media network something that looks like facebook and mold bugs saw the story going around x and they created their own religion everybody's like oh my god they created their own religion well actually there are people behind all those accounts and actually from what we can tell this is all a big marketing campaign to generate buzz which it did but it caused so many people to go oh skynet just woke up and they're creating religions but they're not just pulling that out of their behind you know it is a goal of technocrats to create a one world religion and now that we're seeing the way that ai is being deployed and prioritized by the davos crowd and you know the ceo's the light speeders of the world and the all those guys it's not that far out of left field to say yeah the the new one world religion might actually be in a virtual space like it's more likely we'll be in a virtual space than in a brick and mortar well

[Jamie]

me and ruckus talked about that book by jaron lanier about deleting your social media because he worked in silicone valley and he at the very end of the book like the prologue or the epilogue was like oh by the way all the tech people worship ai and they're trying to like bring about this like ai religion by the way

[Hescher]

yeah and it fits when you look at like burning man or the sort of the like cultural and social things that are put together by some of these types of people it's like oh this is straight up magic occult sex magic all kind of creepy stuff going on

[Jamie]

there well i mean as long as we're talking about chaos magic and pepe we might as well talk about you know peter carroll's book so if you're about chaos magic you've got austin oseman spare and peter carroll and a couple others who are the root texts of these ideas so i did actually read liberknoll and psychonaut before and it's like considered this foundational work about chaos magic so the author peter carroll he considers this type of magic the direct descendant of shamanism witchcraft and sorcery and the

[Hescher]

illustration illuminati oh interesting okay so here

[Jamie]

we've got illuminati already confirmed yeah and they are called the chaos magicians which the kekians think they are right with pepe and kakistan they are called the illuminates of thanateros after the gods of death thanatos and sex arrows and the positive and negative methods of attaining magical consciousness are sex and death so that's

[Hescher]

what go figure that fits right into what we're seeing in these emails doesn't

[Jamie]

it yeah and i'm glad you mentioned burning man because they say that altered states are the keys to unlocking one's magical abilities and half of that book liberknowledge and psychonaut is devoted to black

[Hescher]

art

[Jamie]

so he says the illuminates of thanateros are the magical heirs to the zoskia cultists that's aospare's magical working and the aa which is the argentium astrum of al shukroli which was created to channel the spirits from sirius that they were in contact with of course so you've got these chaos magicians they focus on the creation of sigils have you ever heard that word before a sigil

[Hescher]

yeah like a symbol right or like a rune or something well it's a

[Jamie]

unique symbol that you create that represents the what you desire which is like you can write out like the sentence like i will be famous and then you take all those words and you take the the letters i mean you take the vowels out and you take the double letters out and you so you have a string of letters and then you make like a picture out of it okay okay and so you're supposed to do this a corporate logo could be a sigil we see a

[Hescher]

lot of these actually now where a logo will remove prominent vowels or consonants or doubles

[Jamie]

so methods of charging the sigil involve moments when the mind has achieved stillness through magical trance or when high emotions paralyze normal functions such as times of intense emotion or the moment of orgasm so okay yep so what are we doing on four chan when we i mean it's a joke right you log on to four chan and you unzip your pants not me like the the entire place is like peppered with you know touching yourself jokes because that's what they're doing all alone on the computer all day so parts of this entire culture revolve around touching yourself which the overwhelming majority of users openly admit to and boast about being addicted to which they call fapping you've heard

[Hescher]

that right right they're gooning they got their goon cave and in their fapping

[Jamie]

yes i mean they'd even created the concept of no fap because some of them could see how it was destroying

[Hescher]

their lives so right they're like let's promote this addiction and then we'll treat it like you know know alcohol and we'll take a month off or something this is bizarre behavior right right so

[Jamie]

the majority of content that they fap to is perverted it's unnatural it's cartoons it's you know cartoon children my little ponies gore you name it right they even have it's called rule thirty four have you heard the that no oh rule thirty four is if it exists there is corn of it oh okay so anything you can think of queen elizabeth a labrador retriever they can pull it up and their corn exists of anything that you can think of so

[Hescher]

last but not least probably not wrong about that i will give them rule thirty four i guess right

[Jamie]

much of the fapping was to lolly khan gross lolly as in lolita in the famous book about being sexually attracted to children as in lolita express

[Hescher]

right yeah any of this sounding familiar folks yeah jeffrey

[Jamie]

epstein and we are almost at two hours and i'm only halfway through my notes so maybe we can do a

[Hescher]

part two we can do that absolutely

[Jamie]

i appreciate you hanging out with me this whole time because we've got a lot to cover but like so in the next time we get together i want to talk about pizza gate yeah wikileaks i want to talk about qanon and trust the plan i want to talk about twenty twenty the entire year okay it was a banger i can

[Hescher]

talk about that all day talk about

[Jamie]

project stargate and the rise of the technocrats yeah groipers ropers and the golden age so that would be the conclusion to this show what do you okay you want to come back do it

[Hescher]

i'm down i think we did a pretty thorough like timeline here so it was a pretty good anthology of you know meme warfare and we're able to kind of bob and weave to you know track it to the current events at the same time so yeah i'm excited to come back on and finish

[Jamie]

it yeah so we'll just go over all of twenty twenty i guess we're leaving off around twenty nineteen yeah and before we go i just wanted to mention some random things that came out out of the files i'm calling them the epstein okay we've got the grammys you know we've got the emmys we've got the super bowl tony's yeah the tonys these are the epstein so epstein random dishonorable mentions number one doctor james dobson a focus on the family did you know he would be in there

[Hescher]

ouch nope wasn't expecting that one so

[Jamie]

he is the media focus on the family christian media empire because why not

[Hescher]

you know yeah allegedly good sounds sellable

[Jamie]

epstein would send copies of dobson's advice on christian parenting wife leave submission and blind obedience and forgiveness of abusers to

[Hescher]

his victims oh okay well no surprise

[Jamie]

there weird okay number two elon musk begs to be invited to le epic parties did you hear that one yeah

[Hescher]

i did catch that one

[Jamie]

on little saint james with girls for the win he he never got there he gave jeffrey and ghislaine the ick and they tell him actually they're thinking of shutting down the whole operation so his asperger's saved him from doom in that one

[Hescher]

yep yep good thing you're projecting lots of ick there elon yeah so number

[Jamie]

three we've got the harvesting of mormon blood as some sort of weekly payment system for select breeders did you hear

[Hescher]

this one no but i wish i could say i was surprised to hear

[Jamie]

it the creation of human sex slaves by biologically turning men into women and vice versa using different formulas across the gender spectrum in order to appeal to different elite sexual appetites these are from the emails these aren't random crackpot fbi tips okay these are like them talking to each other yeah that's the most

[Hescher]

disturbing part just the open like discussion of some of these things on gmail

[Jamie]

it's like what yeah and if you want more of that go look at me and courtney's show called space babies where she talks about epstein and his handle and all of this transhumanism and technocracy so we have mister evil aka former prime minister eod barak oh yeah yeah okay we have the code snow white which is the dressing up of young children as different disney characters and sold to specific clients ew gross what and we've been talking about disney the whole time princess programming all of this

[Hescher]

right all over your books you've covered

[Jamie]

it a lot we've got a person named the pizza monster like chet from

[Hescher]

weird science like the cookie monster but

[Jamie]

evil i don't want to laugh because this is so bad but the pizza monster with frequent references to how much he loved the taste of pizza and craved it so much ew yeah we've got the trafficking of homeless and turning them into extreme sexual deviants through ritualistic abuse they use as agents oh that

[Hescher]

what could go wrong

[Jamie]

we've got jay z who deleted his instagram and fled

[Hescher]

the country and i heard beyonce lost like ten million followers after these emails

[Jamie]

came out yeah we've got the bill gates std debacle oh yeah right he was trying to get meds from epstein and surreptitiously give them to his wife

[Hescher]

did you see the memes going around of the the guy with the head exploding and it was like like what if COVID nineteen eighty four was just a scam for bill gates to get his wife some antibiotics yep

[Jamie]

you've got deepak chopra oh yeah yep god is just a construct he says cute girls are real he was a parody of a guru running cover for sex traffickers guru therapist wizard who abused used his status with women and a charlatan of wu yes and last but not least you've got the dalai lama who appears one hundred sixty nine times and me and courtney just got this crazy book about the dalai lama and tantra which is basically just using women as batteries for power until they are drained find dry husks and you discard them as you do so that is buddhism basically

[Hescher]

well dalai lama going for it that's creepy also yeah i've noticed deepak and dalai lama taking a lot of heat lately and some people who like support them trying to make excuses for them too like it's just a bad look

[Jamie]

right now yeah well thank you so much for spending the evening with me and we'll try and get together again as soon as possible and get to all of these other topics we didn't get to tonight but i really appreciate you tell everybody where they can find you and spore who i haven't forgotten we're going to do a show about

[Hescher]

reality shows oh yeah she's out there watching one right now getting ready for it probably it's going to be awesome i'm looking forward to that yeah thanks jamie and i feel like what ties all of this together is that that culture moves first the internet is where people test ideas and symbols and identities before any of it reaches mainstream media or politics and that's one of the things that keeps me coming back i like trying to figure out when these things are going to happen where they're going to happen ahead of time and if you pay attention to the stories and the memes people rally around you you can usually see where society is heading long before it shows up in the headlines so you can tune in to us at alternatecurrentradio dot com that's what we try to do there every week at alternate current radio is read those media tea leaves so alternatecurrentradio dot com is our website boiler room is the show one of the shows we got multiple shows over there so visit the site for the rest of the shows and i'll look forward to coming back and joining you to finish this

[Jamie]

one out here all right thanks everybody have a good night and and stay safe from pizza monsters thank you hescher

[Hescher]

pizza monsters we're always joking about chat from from weird science

[Jamie]

into a pile of poop at the end yeah look

[Hescher]

at this one too we should probably bring this one up next time but let's throw it on screen real quick here epstein files just got vibe coded into a data viz app on replit whatever that is one bro just turned the entire document into an interactive conspiracy web so they made a heat map of like all these different names and people associated with the network that's like

[Jamie]

the conspiracy theorist red string right yeah

[Hescher]

but here's the best part this guy peter malcolm says at grok using these insights can you list five prominent people who appear as complicit look who number one is elon musk oh yeah elon musk bill gates prince andrew richard branson and howard lutnick but like elon's pet ai is like put him in the number one spot

[Jamie]

he is lucky that they did not like him

[Hescher]

yep no doubt yeah all right so let's see

[Jamie]

let me see are you pretty busy this week i mean

[Hescher]

let me think friday's kind of busy saturday and sunday are sort of up in the air so i would say next week probably better than this week just in case

[Jamie]

let me see if we because we're supposed to go to tim pool on the twenty third if i can't do it on the eighteenth it'll have to be the first week of march is

[Hescher]

that okay yeah that would be fine see there's a chance i could do it tomorrow i just don't want to leave you with a maybe you know

[Jamie]

i can't do it tomorrow can you do it on a week from today

[Hescher]

on wednesday yes i think so wednesday

[Jamie]

the eighteenth yeah same time sure okay very good okay cool that was really

[Hescher]

fun thank you yeah that was fun thanks bye