IRAN DEBATE, REDEEMED ZOOMER , BILDERBERG, SAM HYDE VS ATHEIST!!!!

Summary

Jay'sAnalysis Podcast Summary

Host: Jay Dyer
Date: April 13, 2026
Episode Highlights: IRAN DEBATE, REDEEMED ZOOMER, BILDERBERG, SAM HYDE VS ATHEIST!!!!

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Episode Overview

This episode of Jay'sAnalysis is a wide-ranging, lively mix—part debate, part call-in show, with a deep-dive into US foreign policy (especially relating to Iran), critiques of contemporary Orthodoxy and Protestant apologetics, media conspiracies (notably Bilderberg and CIA/media collusions), and segments on internet Orthodox conversions. Jay is joined by a revolving cast of guests and callers, including Andrew Meyer, Rachel, and others.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Geopolitics and the Iran Debate

(24:53 – 51:05, 54:25 – 60:24, 62:49 – 63:57)

• Trump, Iran, & the Petrodollar
  Jay and caller Andrew Meyer discuss the motivations behind Trump's Iran policy and US foreign intervention.

  • Jay's Position: Opposed to the Iran war and skeptical that US actions genuinely benefit the American people. He sees global elites (Bilderberg, Trilateral, AIPAC, APAC, etc.) as the true power brokers influencing US foreign policy, which is increasingly entangled with Israeli interest (Oded Yinon Plan, "Clean Break" strategy).
  • Andrew's Position: Argues Trump’s Iran policy is about protecting US interests, specifically the petrodollar, and countering China, rather than simply serving Israel. He defends Trump as pursuing policies for American rather than Israeli benefit, but Jay pushes back, contending this is a rebranding of old neocon foreign policy.
  • On 9/11 and “ends justify the means”: Jay raises whether ethical lines get blurred if “benefiting America” justifies anything. Andrew draws a distinction between just war and false flag attacks, but Jay challenges the consistency.

  Jay: "War is the health of the state. War is a racket." (165:26)

• Domestic Consequences & Critique of Realpolitik
  Other callers point out that preoccupation with foreign adventures undercuts domestic priorities, warning that political coalitions fracture if base issues (migration, culture wars) are neglected.

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2. Orthodoxy, Protestant Critique, & ‘Redeemed Zoomer’ Reaction

(84:38 – 103:48, 114:57 – 124:16)

• Refuting 'Redeemed Zoomer'
  Jay systematically responds to a YouTube video by "Redeemed Zoomer" listing “10 Reasons I’m Not Orthodox.”
  • Filioque Controversy: Jay corrects misunderstandings on the filioque, drawing on Sashinsky's academic work. He notes the West’s position wasn’t solidified for centuries and rejects the claim that pre-schism Latin Christianity was "heretical" for 500 years.
  • Icons & Biblical Tradition: Jay points out the biblical and archeological roots for iconography, citing Old Testament temple practices and the catacombs' imagery to debunk claims that early Christianity was iconoclastic.
  • Cultural/Moral Arguments: Jay dismisses “the West is the best” and “numbers = truth” arguments as superficial and irrelevant to theological truth. He invokes Augustine's City of God as a direct refutation.
  • Multiplicity of Schisms: Jay returns the favor to Protestantism: if splits and diversity disprove Orthodoxy, they certainly demolish Protestant claims.

  Jay: “If Protestantism and Calvinism are true … every generation must reinvent the wheel.” (84:49) Jay: “You notice he immediately skipped every biblical Old Testament example. This is what they always do.” (91:47)

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3. Orthodoxy Online: Mass Conversions & Cultural Phenomena

(80:04 – 84:38)

• Jay comments on the viral spread of Orthodoxy among young men (“Zoomers”) online, noting that many new converts (male) follow him, but the female converts “don’t,” joking about the gender gap in appeal.
• There is broad encouragement for continued outreach and healthy skepticism about internet trends, as well as advice for those “overdosing” on religious or political Twitter drama.

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4. Bilderberg, Media Control, & Power Elites

(143:03 – 163:01)

• Segments feature audio and commentary from Dan Dicks and Jay’s own summary:

  • What is Bilderberg? Jay reviews claimed secrecy at the annual Bilderberg meetings, the convergence of global elites, banking interests, tech giants, and top media personalities.
  • Official Agenda Items: AI warfare, Arctic security, locking Europe into U.S.-controlled energy alliances, digital currencies, and more.
  • No Real Media Coverage: Jay laments that even among “truth” media, only a handful cover these elite rendezvous, while the masses are distracted by social media and political theatrics.

  Jay: “The real power brokers are at Bilderberg and there’s only three people there covering it...” (157:21)

  • Media Collusion: Jay reviews familiar information (and infographics) of interlocking directorships and memberships in organizations like CFR, Trilateral, and the overlap with Bilderberg attendees at media conglomerates.
  • Link to CIA & Operation Mockingbird: References to the historical collusion between intelligence agencies and mainstream media.

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5. Sam Hyde vs Atheist: Humorous Segment

(71:00 – 80:03)

• Briefly, a segment is played where Sam Hyde argues with a “Jewish atheist intellectual.” Jay mocks the low-tier argumentation—such as “who wrote the Bible, who could read and write back then”—as akin to previous low-quality debates he’s encountered.

  Jay: “World’s smartest atheist, alien believer here. The Bible is crazy, but the megaliths are landing pads for aliens. Very rational.” (74:02)

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6. Call-ins, Q&A, and Notable Quotes

Throughout the episode, listeners and friends call in with questions and personal updates:

• On Geopolitical Analysis: Caution against making politics an idol; advice to prioritize faith and avoid “rage spiral.”
• Orthodox Practice: Q&A on baptism, the influence of Dionysius, ecclesiastical authority, and the proper approach to tradition.
• Media and Conspiracy Culture: A caller references video game depictions of conspiracy/occult themes (Hitman, Bloodborne, etc.)
• Conversion Stories: Several callers express gratitude to Jay and his associates for guiding them toward Orthodox Christianity.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• Jay, on Orthodox critique of Protestantism:

  “The very act of having to system build is itself an argument against Protestantism.” (84:49)

• Jay on American foreign policy:

  “We’re run by people at Bilderberg, Trilateral… wealthy banking elites and corporate elites… APAC has a huge amount of influence…” (32:39)

• On the “Petrodollar for 1,000 Years” argument:

  “I don’t think that the petrodollar is actually going to last a thousand years because any fiat currency... is going to eventually collapse.” (36:27)

• On argument quality in Redeemed Zoomer's video:

  “These arguments are terrible... What does any of this have to do with proving whether orthodoxy is true or false? Protestant culture. I mean, by this line of argument, I could argue that Protestantism produced atheism…” (103:48)

• On Bilderberg and elite media collusion:

  “The Western power elite… met under semi-secrecy at the Bilderberg meetings which is happening right now in DC… The real power brokers are at Bilderberg and there’s only three people there reporting.” (151:44, 157:21)

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Important Timestamps

• [24:53–51:05]: Jay & Andrew Meyer: Trump, Iran, petrodollar, ethical justification for war
• [71:00–80:03]: Sam Hyde vs Atheist, Jay’s commentary
• [84:38–103:48, 114:57–124:16]: Jay “live reacts” to ‘Redeemed Zoomer’ Protestant critique
• [143:03–163:01]: Bilderberg segment, Dan Dicks report, Jay’s Bilderberg/Media analysis

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Tone & Style

The episode is humorous, confrontational, occasionally irreverent, and steeped in “internet dissident” culture. Jay frequently mixes serious scholarship with banter, sarcasm, and trolling, especially when critiquing opponents or pop apologetics.

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Takeaways

• Foreign Policy: Deep skepticism about US interventionist motives, seeing petrodollar and global elite interests behind perpetual war narratives.
• Orthodox Apologetics: Jay pushes for deeper, history-rooted arguments, dismissing shallow Protestant criticisms and foregrounding the consistency and historicity of Orthodox tradition.
• Elite Power Structures: The real political shifts, he argues, happen not in mainstream media, but in places like Bilderberg—largely ignored by the public.
• Internet Orthodoxy & Debate Culture: Jay positions himself as a leading voice in the online Orthodox revival, fielding both serious inquiries and low-effort, repetitive criticisms with biting wit.

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Best for:
Those interested in the intersection of US foreign policy, Orthodox Christianity, internet debates, and conspiracy analysis—delivered with a sardonic, combative humor and a willingness to confront both friend and foe.

Transcript

[Jay Dyer]

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[Andrew Meyer]

Hey, it's actually Josh told the wife's phone for this. How you doing man? Good. Hey man. Christo Sinesti.

[Jay Dyer]

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[Andrew Meyer]

on your thoughts on this man. So you know, you've talked a good bit about, you know, the problem of ecumenism within Orthodox circles and stuff. I've actually called him before about some of that and always have good stuff to say. You that is not me. Anyway, I was reading the classic Callisto Ware's book the Orthodox Church and correct me if I'm wrong, but I definitely believe I saw some like proto ecumenist strains of thought there. A lot of stuff that almost seemed critical of our own history. And I just, you know, when you have these old timey Anglican converts to correct to orthodoxy like that, is that a common thing in those academic circles?

[Jay Dyer]

Unfortunately, yes. Unfortunately it is. And he wrote some pro skittles articles towards his end of his life before he passed away. So he unfortunately drifted in a very bad direction. There's some bad things in Orthodox way has an apocatis universalist statement. There's also a statement that's the Protestant PSA view. So he fell into PSA and said the son was damned. But yeah, and then even in that he's the editor of that book the Bible and the Fathers that follows the liturgical readings, and he includes CI Scofield commentaries in the Orthodox. Just so ridiculous. Like, why in the world would you put that in there? So, unfortunately, Callistus, where it started pretty good and faded into some pretty bad stuff. So. But yes, and another Father, Stephen Freeman, unfortunately, who's I think, less active these days than he used to be, is also very notorious for some of the same Anglican sort of in, in his case, modernist approaches to the Bible. So the Bible for him is. Is all higher criticism. And I made some videos years ago when I first started my channel, or excuse me, when I first started doing orthodox videos and calling those things out. And lo and behold, that caused inadvertently a huge kerfuffle, which I didn't realize my channel was much smaller back then. And. But somehow that got around and that ended up getting like 20 or 30, 000 views, which was pretty big viewage back then for a small channel. And that made a lot of orthodox people mad at me because, you know, oh, who. Who's this new convert who's talking about higher criticism or whatever? Well, turns out, yeah, higher criticism is antithetical to Christianity. Sociologo. What's up, dude? Socio. Logo on mute, man.

[Andrew Meyer]

Hey, K. Hello.

[Jay Dyer]

Hey.

[Andrew Meyer]

I have a question of philosophy. Can I ask you?

[Jay Dyer]

Sure.

[Andrew Meyer]

Okay, So I was arguing with these LGBT person some days ago, and we are, you know, debating about homosexuality and all that. And he used the argument that you can find homosexual behavior in animals and since the beginning of times, all civilizations. And I answered that, saying that you can also find, you know, rape, murder, and all that in all civilizations too, and in animals and.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh, yeah, I mean, animals. Animals eat their young too. So that's ridiculous.

[Andrew Meyer]

And he answered that, saying that it wasn't fair of my part to compare two adults agreeing to love each other and, you know, to have the.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, now he's just moving the. He's moving the goalposts. He's moving the goalposts and being arbitrary. So if in a naturalist, atheist, materialist worldview, an adult is really a meaningless construct for the same collection of molecules. So it doesn't matter that he moves the goalpost to, quote, adult. And by the way, how does he know what the cutoff is amongst an adult and a non adult, it would all just be arbitrary. So it's a version of the naturalist fallacy, right? Oh, well, it's just natural for people. For animals. For people to do this, because animals do it. Well, what is. How do we know what's natural?

[Andrew Meyer]

Right?

[Jay Dyer]

So this is just A version of the naturalist fallacy. All you have to do is point out fallacies, right? Just like when that idiot freemason was on here earlier, right? He started off with, like, four different fallacies. I'm like, dude, get out of here. Leave it to Ethan. $10. All the podcasts on the tour have been great. The Jamie Kennedy episode was hilarious. Thank you, man. Appreciate that. Yeah, it came out great. And Jamie's episode was really funny, too, because Jamie Kennedy had the same meltdown over the moth that he had with me. And that made for, like, unintentional, bizarre, weird comedy on its own. And the other thing that's funny, too. And people get mad at Jamie Kennedy when you're on his podcast because he's like, stop joking. Stop doing impressions. And then you think, oh, man, he's gonna get mad because he wants. And then he'll start doing the impressions and start joking around. So it's like. And people were getting angry in the chat and fussing at him, and it's like, dude, this is his show, right? Like, if you remember, Jamie Kennedy Experiment. That's what he does. Like, he. He likes to kind of mess with and troll the guest. That's part of the whole shtick. And it was the same with Jesse Lee Peterson, as you guys will see, because that episode will be coming out this week as well, in the next, I think, six days. So look for the Kiriaki interview and the Jesse Lee Peterson interview coming out this week. And you know, Jesse Lee Peterson likes to troll his guests as well a little bit. And. And it's actually funny because, you don't know. Is. Is Jesse crazy? Is he dom? Is he serious? Is he joking? And that. That destabilizing effect that he has is actually what makes for the unintentional intentional comedy. So, you know, that's millennial humor anyway, right? All that irony, whatever kind of insanity stuff. I mean, when. When Jesse Lee Peterson was on with Sam Hyde, he was like, do you realize you have never done nothing wrong in your life?

[Andrew Meyer]

Do you.

[Jay Dyer]

Do you realize you have never sinned in your life? You have never done nothing wrong? And Sam's like, pretty sure I have. No, you had not. And if you could have perfect peace right now, would you have perfect peace? And then. So then when he's interviewing. In interviewing me, he goes, do you forgive your mother for what she had done to you? And I'm like, what? Do you forgive your mother? All evil come through the mother. And I'm like, well, wait a minute. I thought you told Sam Hyde that nobody ever sinned. It's an illusion. So how could my mom have done me wrong if nobody sins? And it's. It's just like. It's crazy, right? But I guess that's part of the fun. Ken, by the way, I trolled him back and I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna tell you how I trolled him back, but I think I got him pretty good. Ken Fresno. And I don't just mean impersonating him to his face. I mean like actually trolling Dis Peterson, tripping him up a bit. It was fun, though. MKG $7. Christo Sinesti, God bless you for bringing many Orthodoxy. Here's many more. Cringe Core Records is signing new orders. Are they signing any new artists at the moment? Well, I'll tell you what. Dr. Evo sent me the link to register as an artist at DMI or whatever, so. Okay, I'm gonna do it. Ken Fresno, $10. Does Bishop Baron deny everything in Genesis then? Well, see, this is one of the problems with the people that take this view. It's like it becomes arbitrary, right? They want to say Adam and Eve are sort of like symbolic archetypes for ancient, you know, GEICO cavemen or whatever. And it's like, oh, okay. Well then, so what about all the other things in Genesis? Oh, yeah, see the problem. It's Pandora's box gets opened up. By the way, Pandora's box. I was talking about a her coochie, dude. If you didn't know, do you all. You just made that connection, right? Pandora's box. Don't let that coochie open up. Things get crazy, bro. Ooh, we get nasty up in here. Anyways, well, what about the New Testament? The New Testament says in many places in the Gospels, it refers back to all kinds of events in Genesis. Oh, then I guess the gospels are also wrong. You see, the. What this leads to. So all of the places in the gospels where Jesus refers to Adam and Eve. Oh, I guess he got it wrong because they were just symbolic figures. But these people, they're. They're not interested in going that route of like thinking this through, dude. They're just public face academic people or supposedly academic. They're more like bureaucratic spokespeople. Right? Like a bishop Baron is a bureaucratic spokesperson more than a truth seeker. I mean, dude's over here liking dude's feet. He's over here on supposedly looks like Facebook liking dudes feats. I mean, come on, bro. What are you. What are you even doing? But why is that surprising for a Novus Ordo bishop, Not a Mossad agent? Should I throw away orthodox way? I mean, I have all my Calvinist books. I have a giant shelf of heretic books. I don't think you need to throw it away. I mean, I would just keep all that stuff for reference, so. Jesus, son, $2. Consider the divine mercy chaplet and what it is, bro, I used to be a Roman Catholic. Are you serious? You talking about. You're talking about Margaret Mary Alicoko, right? I mean, dude, she's one of the strongest arguments against Roman Catholicism. This insane histrionic woman cutting herself. Are you. Dude, that doesn't prove Roman Catholicism. Anyway, all right, we got a lot of stuff we got to get to redeem Zoomer. We gotta. You guys are being very generous and I appreciate that. A lot of super chats coming in. Neil Perry says for $10, can I get your best?

[Chelsea Handler]

This is Chelsea Handler from Dear Chelsea. After the Big Game. Like most people, I kept thinking about the commercials, and there was one that stayed with me. It was from the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate. And it wasn't loud or flashy. It showed a Jewish kid being targeted at school and another student who chose not to ignore it. As someone who was Jewish, that moment felt very real to me. Not dramatic, just familiar. And what struck me was how clearly it show that hate doesn't always announce itself, but the impact is still huge. If you saw the Blue Square spot during the big game, it's worth thinking about. And if you want to show support, sharing the Blue square is one small way to do that.

[Jay Dyer]

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Jordan Peterson saying Christ is risen. Well, I apologize because we drove three hours last night from Nashville at three in the morning, and we didn't get home until six, so I pretty much feel like I'm hungover. So my impressions are not going to be spot on today because my voice is all effed up, but, well, you know, Christ is risen. Depends on what you mean. By risen, though. It's like. It's like, what the heck? You know? See, that's. I fell into my old Jordan Peterson. I got it better, and then I fell back into my old one.

[Andrew Meyer]

It's like, you know, it's like, what's

[Jay Dyer]

that mean when it says, you know, he's risen or whatever?

[Andrew Meyer]

It's like, I get it.

[Jay Dyer]

But it's like, was he asleep?

[Andrew Meyer]

Or, you know, what does it mean? You know,

[Jay Dyer]

do you plan to respond to Orthodox. Excuse me, Redeemed zoomers Debunk of Orthodoxy. Dude, it's in the title, bro. It's literally in the title of the video. So, yes, but thank you, Nipson, for that super chat. And he says Christ is risen. Indeed he is. Man, that freemason's putting a curse on my. My vocal cords. He put a cabala curse on my vocal cords. I. I could do. I can do it really good if my voice wasn't effed up, but it's not doing well right now, Hosie. $5. Do you have a question? How did Matthew know Jesus fasted if he met Jesus after the fact? I mean, he wrote the gospel later on. Dude, what are you talking about? So, I mean, it says at the end of Luke that Jesus opened the eyes of the apostles to understand all the things that were written and then it was recorded. So I don't understand the question. Let's talk God. $5. A janitor versus 47 missiles. Elite Kiriaku ball knowledge. I don't know what that means, but it's sounds very esoteric. Captain Slow Boy. $5. I think you're right about everything, but I enjoy Candace, who is often wrong. Candace said that she would debate Kirk with somebody like you. Would you be down? You're the best. But I don't have a. I don't want to debate Charlie Kirk theories. I don't have a set theory on Charlie Kirk. And are you saying that she actually said she would debate me or just someone like me? That's confusing here. Like, that goober freemason that just called in was like. He starts talking about Charlie Kirk bullets. Like, what does this have to do with the accusation that everybody from Alex to Tucker is a contra. Is. Is fake traitors. Like, nothing to do with what I asked him about. And I don't know what. I don't believe the official story, but I don't have a set theory on what exactly went down. So I don't understand why I would debate. I don't have a position. I want to. I would rather Debate her on other topics that she goes into, like Sumerian, time travel technology, whatever she was pushing. I mean, obviously that's not true. Zach sends $160. Thank you so much. Whatever the A's. Is that Canadian or Australian? Christ has risen, blessed apostle, to you and Jamie. Thank you so much. Christ has risen from the dead, trampling down death by death and upon those in the tombs, bestowing life. Jamie. Jamie, could you bring me a cough drop? She probably can't hear me. Hey, Jamie, do you think you can bring me a cough drop? One of those little Manuka honey cough drops? I think there's. There's a couple more in that jar. Well, if not, that's fine. Could you just put some honey in that coffee? Thank you. So again guys, this weekend, next weekend, Nashville debate. Me versus two Freemasons, including your boy, Chase Geyser. Me versus Chase Geyser and his assistant, his. His lodge butt buddy. I'm Just joking, Edgar. $2. Thank you. K. Captain Slow Boy. No, we did that one. Ken Fresno, $10. No, we did that one. Cobalt. Would you debate Corey Meer? No, that guy's insane in Psycho. I tried to debate him like two years ago and he just literally just cusses you out. It doesn't even. He doesn't even debate or make arguments. Leave a teeth. And now we did that. Storm the cat. The YouTube algorithm pushes a bishop Baron. He has Skittles Boomer energy. Well, yeah, like, he's over here liking dudes feeds, so. And yeah, of course they're gonna. They always push these people. Dude, the algorithm. I mean, Cyclone drew $5. No, we did that. We're left a broccoli says that Freemason dude's arguments were full of right angle fallacies. That was so stupid. It's like. Do you believe in right angles? Is a circle 360 degrees? Like, what the. What are you talking about, dude? Contemporary Compendium. That dude was trying to do Steiner math and he failed to mother Mason. Caleb says Bishniga University gonna win this Natty this year for Chad Nerd for the Heisman. Thank you, Tingu. $10. Happy POSCA. Christ has risen. Indeed he is risen. Great Scott.

[Andrew Meyer]

$5.

[Jay Dyer]

Jay, get yourself an espresso. Aqua Fire sprints. Praise be to Jesus. Indeed. Prompt, $5. If you're going to do call INS, I'm going to call in later. I want to ask about geopolitical stuff and spy things. Sure. Do you have any thoughts on Three Days the Condor? Yeah, it's a classic movie. We've covered it for many years really ties in the world of Hollywood writing writers, right? Because they have basically CIA outfit that's reading literature to scan it for codes or information. And it's a great conspiracy movie where, you know, Robert Redford ends up on the run from a corrupt CIA that's trying to kill him. It's kind of a conspiracy classic. We've covered it quite a bit. But what about Mockingbird? You know, that movie might have a relationship to Operation Mockingbird. I didn't even think about that. But it probably does post the timestamps for Redeemed Zoomer. Well, there's a new dude, Job took a. Took a break from the Internet. Remember job? He was out here as a, you know, solid time stamper and he took a break. I think he has a baby now, so congrats to him. But there's a new guy who's doing the time stamps that's doing pretty good. So shout out to that dude. And guys, thank you so much for all the clips channels. You guys are really killing it. Please continue clipping. Anyone else who wants to clip and create a clips channel, feel free. We've got several now that are monetized. I give you permission. And they're doing well. Dire Archive, Esoteric Hollywood Archive and Dire Central are all doing well. And then I own the other two Dire clips channels, so they're doing pretty good. But remember to link back to me if you would, if you create a clips channel. And feel free also not to just clip on YouTube, but feel free to clip anywhere else because it always helps on Instagram, Tick tock, you name it. Jacob King, fam. Already proved in court. CIA mafia killed mlk King. Oh, the King family. If they killed Kirk or JFK is irrelevant relevant in this manner. Yeah, that's interesting. I. I've known that and we've been arguing for a long time that there was a confluence of interests. And that would include organized crime. It would include, in my view, elements within the power structure of Israel. I think that's been vindicated from the communiques and the JFK files between James Jesus Angleton and Israel and the CIA. So CIA organized crime and elements of Israel were involved in the assassination of jfk. That's my view. I do think there probably was a conspiracy in the case of mlk, but I don't know that case as well as the others. I've read several books on jfk. I'm not a boomer JFK conspiracy expert. I read probably three books on it and I think everybody knows the One, the book that's probably the most vindicated. You know which one I'm talking about? At least after the JFK files, it would seem that Michael Collins Piper's book has probably been the most vindicated. Myron, chuck says for $10. Hank. What's up, bro? How you doing? Christ has risen. I gotta teach you how to do a Macho Man Randy Savage impersonation. I know how to do it. Oh, yeah, it's the Macho man Randy Savage. How's that? Is that good enough?

[Chelsea Handler]

This is Chelsea Handler from Dear Chelsea after the Big Game. Like most people, I kept thinking about the commercials, and there was one that stayed with me. It was from the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate. And it wasn't loud or flashy. It showed a Jewish kid being targeted at school and another student who chose not to ignore it. As someone who was Jewish, that moment felt very real to me. Not dramatic, just familiar. And what struck me was how clearly it showed that hate doesn't always announce itself, but the impact is still huge. If you saw the Blue Square spot during the Big Game, it's worth thinking about. And if you want to show support, sharing the Blue Square is one small way to do that.

[Jay Dyer]

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My voice is raspy, so it still wasn't. Because it's a little more grind in that voice than I did, but I think that's probably good enough. Okay, I'm noticing that Restream doesn't. Seems like it doesn't show super chats in one pile. So I guess I have to keep monitoring different situations. All right, let's go to the next guy that's been waiting for a while. America, what's up? We're talking to just freaking America. Want to interview or talk to America? Here he is right here. America. Freak.

[Rachel]

Yeah,

[Jay Dyer]

what's up, America?

[Andrew Meyer]

What's going on? Jay Dyer? It's Andrew Meer.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh, no, not Andrew Meer.

[Andrew Meyer]

You know I'm banned on here, right? I've been banned for like, six months.

[Jay Dyer]

I remember you getting banned, but what, what was that over? I don't remember.

[Andrew Meyer]

Well, I was just getting mass reported by literal communists and gripers, but myself and.

[Jay Dyer]

Interesting. So how have you been, man? What's on your mind?

[Andrew Meyer]

Everything's good. I just saw your title here, and I'm curious. You know, Owen Schroyer and Andrew Wilson are about to debate Trump and Iran. I'm curious where you come down on, on which side of things I am

[Jay Dyer]

opposed to the Iran strikes and war.

[Andrew Meyer]

See, for me, everybody thinks it's like, oh, Trump is doing this for Israel, but I've been saying for months, he's doing this for the petrodollar, he's doing this for oil. And it's like all the news is coming out now like the dollar just had its strongest year, excuse, his strongest month since September 2022.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, there could be multiple, there could be multiple motivations.

[Andrew Meyer]

That's true. That is true. And I think that's the split, like every time that Mark Levin or Netanyahu or whatever is begging Trump and going ballistic and Trump's not doing what they want. Yeah, it's because Trump is achieving his objective for America, but they want more for Israel. And I really think people don't see that Trump is not a puppet and that the things he do is. It's for the benefit of America. I debated Harrison Smith about this a week or two ago. Totally vindicated. Like, if you watch that or you can't watch it, you listen to that debate, it's phenomenal. And everything I said to Harrison that he didn't want to accept, like Trump said the things that I said like a day later. So it's like, totally vindicated.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, I've not heard that discussion. But I mean, I think if you look, for example, at the seizing of oil via, you know, Maduro, that would seem to also prop up petrodollar. That would be something that would assist in the, in the propping up petro dollar. So in other words, I think that's an instance where that definitely applies, because

[Andrew Meyer]

that's exactly what I said to Harrison and he said, no, there's no benefit to America or the dollar from US seizing.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, I, I'm not even saying that. I, I'm not even saying I agree with that action. I, I don't. I'm, I'm not sure what my position is on Maduro and, and socialism. I mean, I'm not pro socialist, but I'm saying regime change type operations are very tricky and difficult to Argue and debate, because it gets into all these factors about, you know, well, what's the greatest net positive for our people that's achieved via regime change operations? And I think one of the problems that if you start going down that route, then it opens the door for, you know, Pandora's coochie, right? Pandora's box gets opened up and then you have a justification for, oh, well, I guess we can then just, you know, could we then regime change, any future potential problems with America or to America? Well, in that case, then we're basically just remaking the entire globe, so we might as well just be imperialist, which maybe, maybe imperialism and some sort of, like, Byzantine model. Would we be something I would argue for, but I just don't think that. And I know that you're critical of Netanyahu and the existing power structure in Israel, so you. You would probably disagree with the view that this is all just Zionism, but my question to you would be, don't you think this is the Oded Yunan plan and the Clean Break strategy and the Seven nations plan, all just sort of in culmination?

[Andrew Meyer]

I definitely think they're pushing for that stuff. Yes, they're definitely pushing for that, but that's not my concern here. I look at it only the same way Trump does, from the framework of what benefits America. And, like, the way you put it, it's like, do we want to be open imperialists? Like, when I read Secret History of the American Empire by John Perkins when I was, like, 20, yeah, I was, like, horrified. Like, oh, we're. We're taking out leaders in South America, just, like, murdering them, and. And then getting the country to do what we want. I was never for that. But the way I look at the world, the way things are now in the world, it's like, okay, the Chinese Communists are all over the globe. They're in North America, South America, like, doing a pincer movement on us. They were doing. Not only doing business with Venezuela, getting cheap oil from them, but, like, also puppeting.

[Chelsea Handler]

This is Chelsea Handler from Dear Chelsea after the Big Game. Like most people, I kept thinking about the commercials, and there was one that stayed with me. It was from the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate. And it wasn't loud or flashy. It showed a Jewish kid being targeted at school and another student who chose not to ignore it. As someone who is Jewish, that moment felt very real to me. Not dramatic, just familiar. And what struck me was how clearly it showed that hate doesn't always announce itself, but the impact is still huge. If you saw the blue square spot during the big game, it's worth thinking about. And if you want to show support, sharing the blue square is one small way to do that.

[Jay Dyer]

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I get the. Oh, I hit mute. How long was unmuted? Hopefully I wasn't muted that long.

[Andrew Meyer]

I didn't hear. You weren't muted at all.

[Jay Dyer]

No, no, no, no, not to you. On. I accidentally hit the. The microphone button's really sensitive. So was it muted for just a. Hopefully just a few seconds. But do you want to repeat the last thing you said, Andrew? Because they're going to think I was. Oh, you censoring Andrew. Go ahead and repeat. Last thing you said.

[Andrew Meyer]

Oh, they're censoring me. Jay Dyer is one of the most willing to debate men in the history of the world. So I'm not worried about being censored by Jay. The last thing I said, I think, was just like you were saying that the American and Israeli alliance has more than one motivation.

[Jay Dyer]

Right.

[Andrew Meyer]

You know, China.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh, you're talking about China. Go ahead.

[Andrew Meyer]

Group and, and the WEF and Bill Gates. There's more than one motivation there. But all of them, they want to over Americ.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, I just, I feel like we're not gonna fix anything in America until we get out of the mind frame of thinking that the next president can fix things. In other words, until we figure out that we're actually run by, you know, people at Bilderberg Trilateral Commission, and I think there are wealthy banking elites and corporate elites that are not just Jewish, but there are also, you know, APAC has a huge amount of influence on our foreign policy, Adelson, etc. So that's all a real problem. But for things to actually change, I think we would have to move away from those kinds of influences in our government, which is now pretty much admitted. Like it's pretty much admitted that. Yeah, we do. Don't you think it's admitted that we do? Netanyahu's foreign policy.

[Andrew Meyer]

I think that last year when they wanted to keep attacking and Trump made him turn jets around, it shows who's the big dog in the relationship. Israel is a vassal state of America, not the other way around.

[Jay Dyer]

Well then why, then why was. Why have we seen a suppression of the discussion of, you know, Epstein files being fully released, prosecutions? I mean, do you, do you think that Epstein was Mossad aligned?

[Andrew Meyer]

I think he was part of four different intel.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, I agree with that.

[Andrew Meyer]

He's a big honeypot. Yeah, I grew that benefited the MI6, the French intel, the CIA and the Mossad.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, I agree with that.

[Andrew Meyer]

Like solely the Mossad, I think it was right. Joint effort.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, but typically that joint effort tends to want and then you could have some disagreement. Like back in the era of, say, Kissinger and Brzezinski, the establishment didn't always do everything that Israel wanted, but it seems like nowadays that there's less of that. The establishment tends to do more of what Israel wants.

[Andrew Meyer]

Maybe so, but I'll tell you this. I'm not concerned about Israel. They're not my first issue. I'm concerned about what's good for America. And you know, the whole discussion around Iran and Trump's administration this time around, it's like if you look at it from is Trump helping America? The answer is he definitely is. And that's why I had that debate with Harrison. Because like it or not, like imperialism or not, the Chinese communists, even on this app, on the Twitter, they were crowing. It's going to be the Chinese century. It's going to be a multipolar world. The dollar won't be the world's reserve currency. Like they were bragging about this. Okay, and Trump changed the math.

[Jay Dyer]

But how does Iran help that exactly?

[Andrew Meyer]

Well, first of all, the cheap oil that China was getting from Iran, not there anymore. No more cheap Iranian oil. Same with Venezuela's oil. No more. They're having to buy from us at higher prices. They're buying from us. So you have to understand, like their economy has been running all this cheap oil. So now instead of having slave labor and cheap oil, the math is changing for them so that it's not going to be so cheap for them to outperform everybody in the production of goods.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay, well, how is any of this. Okay, but hold on. So like, if, if. Let's grant that argument. I mean, how is cheap oil going to help America and really hurt damage China from, you know, not being able to get access to that? If the real problem in America is the Federal Reserve. And that comes out of like the Rothschild banking model.

[Andrew Meyer]

That's the other thing I wanted to say to you is instead of them having the world's reserve currency and crashing the dollar, which was their plan, the petrodollar is now going to live for a thousand years. The world's energy is going to be traded in dollars because the oil is in the US in Venezuela, in Alberta, which is about to secede from Canada and do business with the U.S. well,

[Jay Dyer]

I disagree with you on that point. I don't think that the petrodollar is actually going to last a thousand years because any fiat currency, even if it's backed by supposedly oil, it's going to eventually collapse. For example, Biden, what destroyed the dollar in terms of its purchasing power? 20% alone under Biden during the coup period. And if you remember when Elon was in there with, I'm not pro Elon, I'm just saying when you say, or I'm not pro or anti Elon, I'm neutral on Elon. But I'm saying when you look at, when Doge went in and looked at the debt, you know, he came out with the conclusion and he could be wrong, but he came up with a conclusion though actually we can't fix the debt. So it's like. And by the way, why would we think that maybe you were exaggerating when you said a thousand years? I just thought that was funny, like the, a pre millennial reign of petrodollar. But, but I mean, I mean, I just don't understand how that's gonna, I mean the, the dollar was destroyed, 20% purchasing power under Biden. How is petrodollar gonna prop that up?

[Andrew Meyer]

Yeah, we're totally inflated for sure. But again, the Chinese, and you can listen to the commies on the set, they were all crowing that the world's reserve currency is going to be the yuan, because the Saudis, they had been decreasing the percent of their trade in the dollar and, and increasing their trade in the yuan. And China was getting this cheap oil from Iran and Venezuela and their economy was set to overtake ours. Now that's not the, the equation anymore. The petrodollar will reign. It will be supreme. You can say that all fiat goes to zero. I understand the history of it. It's a good argument. But if all of the world's oil will be traded in dollars, you can call it a utility token, if that's how you want to put it. For I know you love crypto, like it's a utility token that will always have utility.

[Jay Dyer]

It's going, I love bitcoin, the world reserve currency. I love bitcoin, not crypto. And I don't think bitcoin is just a utility token. I think it's actually, you know, solid money. But. Okay, well, I just, I don't that. That argument doesn't seem very convincing to me. It seems like a very speculative line of argumentation. And I get that empires operate this way historically with seizing resources. I just, I still think that, to me, that's not a strong enough argument as to why Trump is, is doing what he's doing. And you'll notice if this was actually to help the country and Trump was doing the right thing, well, then why have all of the worst operatives come out who were the Never Trumpers who are now maga and they represent maga and Trump talks like Mark Levin's the greatest dude out there and now all the people who criticized him on this war are now the worst dudes out here. So. And again, Melania comes out basically saying the exact opposite of what Trump said, that no, actually we do need to release the rest of the Epstein files. There needs to be prosecutions. So I guess Melania's not maga and she's dumb too. She's low. So we're all low IQ because we don't understand, like the 66 dimensional chess moves. To me, that just doesn't make sense.

[Chelsea Handler]

This is Chelsea Handler from Dear Chelsea after the Big Game. Like most people, I kept thinking about the commercials, and there was one that stayed with me. It was from the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate. And it wasn't loud or flashy. It showed a Jewish kid being targeted at school and another student who chose not to ignore it. As someone who was Jewish, that moment felt very real to me. Not dramatic, just familiar. And what struck me was how clearly it showed that hate doesn't always announce itself, but the impact is still huge. If you saw the blue square spot during the big game, it's worth thinking about. And if you want to show support, sharing the blue square is one small way to do that.

[Jay Dyer]

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[Andrew Meyer]

Well, I think he was very specific with who he called low iq. And Tucker, for example, he had on some socialist and said that Christianity is socialist. I'm pretty sure you don't agree with that. And Tucker's had a number of other wild things that he said and had said on his show.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, every person.

[Andrew Meyer]

Hold on. Never Trumpers.

[Jay Dyer]

Every.

[Andrew Meyer]

The first one, at the very first debate, she tried to knife trumpets with the Rosie o' Donnell question and he flipped it on her.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, I don't care. I'm not even talking about Megan Kelly

[Andrew Meyer]

with the Egyptian planes is low iq. That's a fact. And then Alex said that Trump should get 25th amended, which I love Alex, but I mean, he needs to really walk all that crap back.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay, so do you not think that APAC has a massive amount of influence on our foreign policy?

[Andrew Meyer]

I think it's overstated. APAC is an organization. If you want to say Israel rather than apac. Israel has a very big influence.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, I mean, Apex, one of the. One of the entities that it uses. So, like.

[Andrew Meyer]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

I mean. Okay, what. But did you not admit earlier that from Oded Yanon all the way up through the Seven nations plan, that is pretty much the same strategy that America has been constantly sort of roped into.

[Andrew Meyer]

Again, I think it's very different. The reason Trump go goes to Iran is very different from the reason Bush goes to Iraq. And the way they conduct the war, it just.

[Jay Dyer]

Why, why would that. Hold on.

[Andrew Meyer]

That's going to have us embroiled there for decades.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, that's what I just.

[Andrew Meyer]

He's doing airstrikes and he's doing a resource war versus what was the plan that was.

[Jay Dyer]

No, that was the same.

[Andrew Meyer]

Even take the oil there.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, it was the same motivations for all those wars was control of resources, strategic location. I mean, no, I mean military industrial complex, rebuilding those countries. All of those things were part and parcel of all of those. All those wars. That's not.

[Andrew Meyer]

I think there's a very different plan from we're going to control the world's oil under Trump versus Dick Cheney grifting money for Halliburton and getting troops killed and wasting.

[Jay Dyer]

No, it's the exact same. It's the exact same. No, it's not.

[Andrew Meyer]

Not the same thing.

[Jay Dyer]

Is it not? It's. No. The people behind PNAC are the exact same neo conservatives with the exact same strategy as Netanyahu today. It's exact same liquid strategy.

[Andrew Meyer]

No different with you there at the, the.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, then you admit my point.

[Andrew Meyer]

Ben Shapiro want this now is the same that they would want it 20 years ago.

[Jay Dyer]

Well then that's admitting my point.

[Andrew Meyer]

I'm saying that the reason it's happening in Iran, even, even Bush didn't do Iran. The reason it's happening in Iran is because Trump is doing things for the benefit of America, not for the benefit of some other country.

[Jay Dyer]

But again, I don't see how your argument was just that Iran will somehow make the petrodollar last a thousand years.

[Andrew Meyer]

Go, go look at the maps. You could go on my profile right now and look at all the pictures, all of the ships that have left.

[Jay Dyer]

We have enough oil. Hold on. We have enough oil, but we are

[Andrew Meyer]

the broker of oil in the world right now.

[Jay Dyer]

We have enough oil in the US that we don't even need any of those. Right. We don't need Saudi oil. That was a deal brokered by Kissinger to make the US dependent upon a globalized monetary structure via Bilderberg. That was all the 1970s, Carter Kissinger, Bilderberg era to strategize how to put the US into an international petrodollar situation. But there's enough oil in the US and our reserves and in our untapped areas that we wouldn't even need Iran's oil. So this is really just a. I think it sounds like you're rebranding it and you're saying, oh yeah, well in the, in the, you know, Desert Storm and Operation Enduring Freedom and all this other stuff in the past, that was, you know, Israeli neocon strategy. This is not that because Bush didn't take the oil and didn't do Iran. Well, that's because there was enough opposition that he wasn't able to. But with Trump, they don't even need opposition. He just does it anyway, does whatever he wants. So I think that that's, I just, I don't. That is not a consistent argument. It's exact same Israeli foreign policy strategy all the way back to Adenan.

[Andrew Meyer]

Totally, totally wrong. If you look at the consumption of oil in the world right now, it didn't flip to be America first when we were doing the Iraq War. That was not the situation what just happened.

[Jay Dyer]

I didn't argue that flipping the consumption

[Andrew Meyer]

of the world's oil from foreign to American domestic people are coming here to get oil. We are, we are in control of the world's energy market. And that's because of Trump.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay, but none of that addressed the argument that I made that it's the exact same neocon strategy that was, that was essentially behind 911.

[Andrew Meyer]

No, no, no, no, no. You're, you're, I think, conflating two things. I agree with you that the neocons and all those people, their premises and what they wanted is all the same, but Trump's motivation is different and the outcome is different.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, what.

[Andrew Meyer]

Which is why I said you didn't see all the ships lining up to buy American oil during the Iraq war. There is a benefit to America. That's why Trump is doing this.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay. Again, I mean, so if that was the case, then does this, does it stand to reason that every perceived benefit to America could then justify anything? Such as false flag events? Such as. I mean, would 9, 11, could we now revisit, revise that as something that benefits America?

[Andrew Meyer]

No. First of all, not only was 911 evil, but it wasn't done for the benefit of America. I don't even understand.

[Jay Dyer]

No, no, I'm saying, what I'm saying is, by your line of reasoning, if you could justify a false flag or any foreign intervention by, quote, what benefits America, then wouldn't anything. Wouldn't you open up Pandora's coochie?

[Andrew Meyer]

No. So when the Iranians had American troops on their knees on an American vessel under Obama, that right there was enough cause for war. These people are at war with us. They declare it all the time. And China is the delivery system for their weapon systems. They're not going to do open warfare with us. They're doing sneaky things like trying to destroy our food supply.

[Jay Dyer]

No, that wasn't my. That wasn't the argument I made. That wasn't the argument I made. I said, if you're going to argue that Trump's motivations to do this for the good of America allows for these types of strikes and whatnot, then could we then argue that any operation that is under the aegis of supposedly benefiting America could then be justified, including false flag events, including why?

[Andrew Meyer]

Absolutely not. Kill. Killing bad guys in Iran is not the same as killing American civilians. Totally not the same thing.

[Jay Dyer]

No, no, no, I said any. Just.

[Andrew Meyer]

Well, but, but.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, hold on though. If it benefited America, then why not sacrifice some American lives?

[Andrew Meyer]

No, that's evil.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, then the Iran war would be evil because some American lives will be lost in the Iran war.

[Andrew Meyer]

No, that's. Defending yourself against the nation at war with you is not evil because some of your soldiers.

[Jay Dyer]

No, no, it doesn't matter what. It doesn't matter if you recast it as defense because the argument was about justification of foreign strikes and foreign operations. And you said if it benefits America. And then I argued basically, well, what if losing American lives also benefits America? Why would it not still be beneficial and justified?

[Andrew Meyer]

Well, the, the example you gave was murdering our own people in cold blood versus defending ourselves in a righteous war against enemies and that are literally trying to poison and kill us. Yeah, there's a very big difference, is very obvious.

[Jay Dyer]

But what I'm saying is. Yeah, I understand that you have. There's a principle of self defense. What I'm asking is if the justification is what benefits America, then you've moved the goalpost to say that unless it's, you know, the loss of American lives in self defense. So it's beginning to be arbitrary. Because what if, let's say for the sake of argument, a false flag event on American soil that kills a thousand people, but it has the net effect of turning all of the world against Iran and then Iran collapses and we win. Could you not then argue that that was a justified approach given the original argument that the ends justify the means?

[Andrew Meyer]

Basically, this hypothetical has nothing to do with reality.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh, come on, dude. It has everything to do with reality because that's exactly what. Come on, Andrew, that's exactly what 911 was about.

[Andrew Meyer]

No, but I'm saying 911 in Iraq different from Iran and Trump. These are not the same.

[Jay Dyer]

That's not relevant to the argument I made to you. I'm talking about the ethical line of argument in terms of justification. That's not what I said. No, no, no, listen, I'm saying your line of ethical reasoning would also seem to justify something like 911 if you could show that it benefits America in the long run.

[Andrew Meyer]

No, it's still not ethical to murder Americans like us going after Iran's oil.

[Jay Dyer]

Then you can't make the argument that

[Andrew Meyer]

it's been sending us.

[Jay Dyer]

Then you can't make the argument you made. So you just refuted yourself.

[Andrew Meyer]

No, I didn't.

[Jay Dyer]

You said that it benefits America in terms of the petrodollar. Then it's, it's. That's why Trump's doing it.

[Andrew Meyer]

Yes, that's why he's doing it. But it's also a righteous war. Like there are two things happening. It's both beneficial to America and it's righteous. They're at war with us.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay, well, I appreciate the. That was a great exchange, Andrew. Appreciate you calling in. Absolutely. Andrew, you're good. You're a good debater, a fun guy to talk to to and welcome back anytime. We are going to move on because I do want to get thank you, Andrew. Feel free to call back but we're going to move on to topics like I do want to get to the redeem Zoomer thing. I don't think we we haven't gotten to that yet and I did promise people that we would talk about this. I need some water, though. I'm so thirsty. People have sensed that I'm tired and they know that it's that now is the time to call in and get me. I'm joking, by the way. H Brazy, what's up man?

[Andrew Meyer]

Hey, what's up, Jack? Can you hear me? Yeah,

[Jay Dyer]

yeah, what's up?

[Andrew Meyer]

Hey, so, yeah, let me preface this, but I'm actually, I don't have that much time, so I'm going to try and make it quick.

[Chelsea Handler]

This is Chelsea Handler from Dear Chelsea, after the Big Game. Like most people, I kept thinking about the commercials, and there was one that stayed with me. It was from the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate, and it wasn't loud or flashy. It showed a Jewish kid being targeted at school and another student who chose not to ignore it. As someone who was Jewish, that moment felt very real to me. Not dramatic, just familiar. And what struck me was how clearly it showed that hate doesn't always announce itself, but the impact is still huge. If you saw the Blue Square spot during the Big Game, it's worth thinking about. And if you want to show support, sharing the Blue Square is one small way to do that.

[Jay Dyer]

Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway. You don't want to miss the annual beauty event for big savings on all your favorite beauty products. Now through April 28, spend $25 on participating products and save $5. Shop in store or online for items like Billie Women's Razors, Billy Body Buffer or Body Wash, Native Hand Soap, Neutrogena Makeup Remover Talents and Q Tips. And save $5 when you spend $25. Offer ends April 28. Restrictions apply. Offers may vary. Visit albertsons or safeway.com for more details.

[Andrew Meyer]

I'm gonna preface this by saying I've been following Andrew longer than I don't maybe like 95 of the people that are Crucible members, subscribers or whatever, like currently been following him since. And to be fair, I've kind of always been more of a racial supporter than Andrew because because of the Trump issue. But what I'm about to say this this suggests it necessarily does include Andrew. And I don't want to be disrespectful because like I said, I, I've always been a big fan of him and

[Jay Dyer]

I still will be.

[Andrew Meyer]

These people are. These people are slaves to him, just like he slaves to, to Israel. And it's sad as hell, man. I don't understand like when you brought up the, the Bilderberg and neocon folks being behind what happened back in the 70s and it's still being the exact same people now and he concedes that, but then still continues to argue. It's. I mean, I just, I just don't see how at this point, like you can't reason that he's just a. Oh, okay. I'm not gonna say it. I don't want to get your stream taken down. I don't understand how they can't piece together that he's just a K I, K E slave. And it is. There's just no more argumentation for it, man. I've, I've tried to be as, as calm and respectful with other like Crucible chat members that I interact with on the timeline or whatever. And you know, I'll go back and forth with them. I mean, at this, at this point, I just don't see any way to, to like reason. And I'm actually like a few month hiatus away from this damn app for this specific issue. None of the PSA stuff, not this other stuff that's been going on has actually angered me. It's just this. I, I cannot like keep my composure when talking about Trump with these absolute retards. Like his dick is so far down their throats that they just cannot seem to reason this. It's sad as hell, man.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, I mean, you know, it's. We can have disagreements with, you know, our fellow people, politically speaking, because that's just going to happen. And you know, I would like, I want, I'd like to see this debate that Andrew's going to do with Owen Schroyer. Speaking of Owen Schroyer, I tried to get Owen to come to bait Catholicism because Owen is saying that he's a, he's like putting up Templar memes like he's a Templar. Like, dude, come on. But Rachel would like to say so what's up, Rachel?

[Rachel]

Yeah. Hey.

[Jay Dyer]

Hey, how you doing?

[Rachel]

Yeah, I just wanted to jump in for a quick sec because I like, I understand a lot of people's frustration with Andrew's position and I h. Brazzy. Don't feel bad. We get it. You know, and you don't, Andrew always has, you don't have to agree with him on everything, you know, but Andrew is a straight politics guy. He is, he's not doing, he's not operating in the same way that a lot of other people in the space are like, even differently from how I am and how Jim does. And from Andrew's perspective, just the fact that Trump got border crossings to zero, that he's made net zero migration a federal policy, the fact that Roe v. Wade was under, overturned under justices that he appointed, these are huge domestic victories that we would not have gotten without Trump being in office.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah.

[Rachel]

Doesn't think he's, he doesn't have Trump's dick down his throat.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, and Alex, perfect.

[Rachel]

He doesn't think he's a good dude.

[Jay Dyer]

Alex makes those same arguments.

[Rachel]

What's that?

[Jay Dyer]

I said Alex makes the exact same argument that, that Andrew just said there. But, and I've always been an issues person. That's why I never jumped on a team like, oh, I'm on Team Trump. Well, I can support the things that Trump campaigned on. I agree with most of what he was. Was campaigning on. And then I can just simply say I disagree with the Iran situation. I disagree with warp speed. I disagree with, you know, a couple other, you know, Epstein thing. There's, there's like, you know, three, four, five issues that I'll disagree with Trump on. But then I appreciate, pre, appreciate the other things like you're saying.

[Rachel]

Yeah, yeah. And from Andrew's perspective, he says this all the time. Politics is dirty, it's nasty.

[Jay Dyer]

Sure.

[Rachel]

And if you're hoping, if you're hoping that anybody you elect is going to be like on your side and you can be on their team and they're going to be a good. No. He always sees it as a political strategy of how can we get the person in who's going to help us the most and combat the, the progressive left as much as possible. So like from his perspective, the Trump presidency overall was still successful. But of course there's stuff that Trump's done that Andrew doesn't like and he doesn't agree with. So it's not a matter of being like some kind of die hard Trump person that you just have to, you know, suck it up and say, well, I love everything daddy Trump does. You know, it's not like that.

[Jay Dyer]

That's right. It's real policy.

[Rachel]

Just that overall he feels like had Kamala gotten in or had Biden gotten a second term or had Hillary Clinton won that you'd be Having all these same problems, more than likely with Iran and other things. But you would have had like the COVID agenda, like with the climate lockdowns, you'd have more feminism. You've had heart, you'd have harder left stuff. The trans agenda would probably still be moving. Like he's just saying out of the two things, this is what it is. And nobody likes the American political system. I don't think there's anyone at this point who thinks our right left Republican Democrats, red team versus blue team shenanigans are ideal. Nobody likes it. Well, we're stuck with it for right now. And within the system we're stuck in right now. That's kind of how Andrew sees it.

[Andrew Meyer]

Yeah.

[Rachel]

Not to speak for him, but. Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, I think, I think you guys

[Rachel]

will like the Schroyer debate. I think he's got some, some arguments planned for that that people won't see coming.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, we probably need to. We need to like, live stream that and, or like a review or react to that. I'm very interested in it. But also, you know, I think Andrew tends to be a real politic type of guy, so he's looking at the absolute reality of the situation. And, you know, the way politics works is that it's always compromise. No politician ever. I've never seen a politician actually do what they campaigned on, ever.

[Rachel]

No.

[Jay Dyer]

So you're gonna get these.

[Rachel]

You're lucky if you get half.

[Jay Dyer]

Sure. Right.

[Rachel]

That's a really good. That's a really good candidate if they do half of what they say. Yeah. So Andrew talked to. Talked to Owen Schreyer. Like they had a phone call a few days ago. They're. They're pals. They get along. They are not enemies. They're not going to hate each other after this or anything like that. So.

[Jay Dyer]

Cool.

[Rachel]

I think it'll be a really good, really productive.

[Jay Dyer]

Right. That sounds awesome.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

Appreciate that. Anything else you want to leave us with? You're welcome to say everyone.

[Rachel]

No, other than Andrew and I have a. A whole bunch of debates coming up. We have the Schroyer vs Wilson debate the next day. After that, I'm debating Brian Shapiro. Everyone's.

[Jay Dyer]

That'll be fun.

[Andrew Meyer]

Yeah.

[Rachel]

We're gonna debate feminism. I don't know why he wants to do that to himself.

[Jay Dyer]

Right.

[Rachel]

Hey, you know, I'll do it. I'm game. And then of course, we have DEBATECON 8 coming up in July, so everybody go get tickets for those things.

[Jay Dyer]

Awesome. I. I messaged James. I'd like to be involved in future Debate cons. If he if you'd have me, I'd like to be involved in some. Some level.

[Rachel]

I'm sure he would.

[Jay Dyer]

If you could put a good word in for me. I think by the way, I have a couple we're working on a Protestant pastor who wants to debate me on modern day debate. I forget the pastor's name but he wants to do Sola Scriptura. That'll be coming up. And then I'm supposed to have another debate with Captain to Crack Rock. I forget when that might be this week too. I can't remember. But guys, remember that this weekend will be the live in person Freemason debate. I'll be debating Chase Geyser, also of Infowars fame and his freemason buddy will be debating whether a Christian can be a Freemason. So that's going to be a lot of fun. Jacob says if you look up wiki, there's an article on SAVAK which is Iranian intelligence Torture, CIA, Mossad trained the the Shaw's secret police. Yeah, I'm aware of that. I've read some books on that. We did a coup d' etat to their democracy. I've done many podcasts on the overthrow of Mozc and the install installment of the Shaw. I've read several books on that and we've also talked about on my channel the US propping up and making alliances with the Ayatollah. Originally they had a deal with the Ayatollah Kashani. After the Shaw didn't work, they immediately made a deal British intelligence and the CIA did with the Ayatollah Kashani and he didn't work very well. And then we got Ayatollah Khomeini and there were backdoor deals with Ayatollah Khomeini too. And this actually ties into Banana of the Butts 100 super chat. He says Andrew Myers confused We overthrew Mozaddak which eventually led to the Iranian regime that we currently have. That's correct. That led to the Ayatollahs. This created the petrodollar. We created the Petrodollar system so that we have a reason to have foreign interests and to intervene globally. That's exactly what I was saying about Kissinger. Kissinger engineered this at Bilderberg in the late 70s and that's written about in multiple books. Two or three F William Indahl books cover this. I believe Daniel Esalen's Bilderberg book covers this as well, which I meant to get to. And that's how we get to Bilderberg today is through this indirect this is

[Chelsea Handler]

Chelsea Handler from Dear Chelsea after the Big Game. Like most people, I kept thinking about the commercials, and there was one that stayed with me. It was from the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate, and it wasn't loud or flashy. It showed a Jewish kid being targeted at school and another student who chose not to ignore it. As someone who was Jewish, that moment felt very real to me. Not dramatic, just familiar. And what struck me was how clearly it showed that hate doesn't always announce itself, but the impact is still huge. If you saw the Blue Square spot during the Big Game, it's worth thinking about. And if you want to show support, sharing the Blue Square is one small way to do that.

[Jay Dyer]

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Route of the Petrodollar okay, so Daniel Esalen's excellent classic book from my publisher, Trying Day, is the Bilderberg Group. And by the way, I just did a new interview with Daniel Estelin. It was about three weeks ago and he said he's going to put it up very soon, but I still haven't seen it up yet. So look for my new interview with Daniel Eslin. His channel has grown quite a bit. I think he has 34 500, 000 now and you YouTube so that should be a good I think we did about an hour long podcast on Epstein and a bunch of other attendant issues, but the Kissinger really is the one that locked us into, at I think the behest of the Rockefellers and others, obviously the petrodollar system that gives us, as banana up the butt correctly says, a reason to have all of these foreign interests to intervene globally. So in other words, if the US has its own massive strategic oil tap that it doesn't need all of these other global oil sources, which is true. Well then we don't need to have all these foreign involvements. But Kissinger realized, well, if we are artificially dependent upon all of these other countries, we now have a necessitated globalization situation, which provides the excuse for, for the very things that Andrew Meyer was arguing. So I agree with you. Banana up the butt. And I think that Andrew's argument at this point falls apart. And that's what I was telling him about Kissinger and Bilderberg in the 1970s and he admitted that, but he said what? But it's different now because Trump is doing that for America. Well, I, I, I'm not sure I buy that argument, but it's an interesting line of argument. Darth $5 says I absently minded. I absent mindedly scroll past Jay's notifications like three times now. Well then you owe me more super chats. How's that? Zach? I think I did this one earlier. Says this is $159. Says Christ has risen. Happy. Pos Blessed Posco. Thank you, man. Indeed he is. Appreciate that if I'm slow today you guys, because again, we drove back at 3 in the morning. I probably should have just stayed at a hotel, but I don't know why I just thought, no, we'll just drive back. I actually wasn't thinking about, you know, Posca being, I mean, Rokor Posca, you're not leaving church until freaking four in the morning, dude. So I should have thought about that, but. Dire, unfiltered $5. Last week I saw a bunch of new Catholic converts and every video show showed baptisms by sprinkling. Wasn't this never normally used in the first thousand years? Yeah, my understanding is that it was pretty universally, you know, dunking and really there would just be maybe economia for aspersion, but over time, aspersion, you know, unfortunately economyia ends up sometimes becoming the norm. And that's where you get these irregular disciplines that become, you know, praxis, which is unfortunate. But, you know, the same thing happened in Serbia. You know, for many centuries in Serbia, Serbia was probably under, you know, papist influence and they did aspersion for, for a long time. So it's not ideal, but I think God's grace, you know, makes up for what's lacking. But that is an interesting question. And there is a scholarly text that I think is out of print. And it was Father Daniel of the Antiochian Church in Indiana, a good friend of ours, and he recommended me this, this book. He said that this is the book that convinced him to become Orthodox, was just the church of the first seven centuries. The way they practiced baptism and pedal communion. He argued that that was the thing that convinced him, like just on the sacraments alone. He's like the only church doing it the way that the Universal east and West Church did it in the first seven centuries. Okay, ban this idiot. This is a. Are you getting these dumb bots in the chat? All right, let me make sure I didn't miss a super chat here. Yes, I'm gonna do Redeem Zoomer, you guys. Darth Grumpy. Welcome to the members. Well, emanuel says for 50 Mexican pesos, they say honey, lemon and cinnamon might help you. Don't blame me if you start seeing shadow twerkers. Well, I was driving at 4 in the mornings while I saw shadow people twerking. But that. That might have also been because I was up in the Club Kievan Roost. $5. To add to the petrodollar argument. It's also to neuter an. An enemy at a time that adversaries are building them their militaries. This will solidify US Dominance. None of this is going to matter if you don't fix the dollar. Dude, this is all. I'm sorry, I just don't believe it. Even if that's. Even if that's Trump's motivation to solidify US Dominance. I mean, if we just keep sliding away with inflation and the dollar dies, like it's not going to matter that you get more oil. Tiffany. $5. Tiffany and Josh from X. We did get into Franzia last night. And Uzo, Christos and Esti. How did I know? It's because every Orthodox person was drinking last night, that's why. Except for me. So you know I wasn't drinking if I was driving home at 3 in the morning. Right? Jewish skeptic. $5 if you're at a church with a lot of Eastern Europeans. Vodka and wine flows and Posca especially. I don't think the last few of us got out until 5:30am I understand. I was driving home at 5:30am. Eddie says Net and Yahoo. Oh, yeah, remember the Kanye's bizarre skit or whatever that was? Derek Mack, $10. What do you think America's politically and culturally, like, in five to 10 years? Well, hopefully we can become more Orthodox, right? So, by the way, that's a great point to transition over here to this brief story about th thousands of tweets and comments about all the Orthodox people that were just received. But I didn't want to play this because somebody just now sent it to me and said, hey, you got to see Sam Hyde was arguing with an atheist. All right, let's see this. This is interesting. Do you believe in God?

[Andrew Meyer]

Believe him.

[Jay Dyer]

There might be a higher Power.

But this guy, a guy we were create. Our creator loves this man for some reason. Can you see why I can't. Who is this dude? Who is Sam Hyde arguing with a Jewish atheist intellectual.

[Andrew Meyer]

I don't.

[Jay Dyer]

What is this? I don't even know what this is. I believe in a higher power.

[Andrew Meyer]

What that higher power is. I don't believe it's God. The Bible.

[Rachel]

The.

[Andrew Meyer]

Who wrote. Who wrote the Bible?

[Jay Dyer]

The people that went.

[Andrew Meyer]

Who could read it right back then.

[Jay Dyer]

Who could read.

[Andrew Meyer]

Who could read and write back then?

[Jay Dyer]

Who cares? This is some high tier argumentation here by the atheist who wrote the Bible. Who could even read and write back then. This sounds like our freemason guy that called in like his level of argument.

[Andrew Meyer]

Who. Definitely not. The poor people. The rich. The nobles.

[Jay Dyer]

The poor.

[Andrew Meyer]

So you don't.

[Jay Dyer]

So the poor people couldn't read the Bible. So it's false. And. And it's the nobles that wrote the Bible. This is ridiculous.

[Andrew Meyer]

Think that story's biased.

[Jay Dyer]

I don't give a. About poor people or what they see in the Bible.

[Andrew Meyer]

You see some bright light. We could just be.

[Jay Dyer]

All the pictures is this. What is this? Jubilee with Sam Hyde versus 20 Jewish atheists. What is this? Could just be an alien.

[Andrew Meyer]

Could just be an alien ant farm.

[Jay Dyer]

Dude, we really. That's probably what it is. It's probably aliens that came here and see it. Yeah, aliens is always more intellectually sophisticated and convincing to atheists than God's existence. Right? Sure. Aliens. Right. Taint nothing. Dollars. Half of these arguments pretend that the US is the good guy, China is the bad guy. As if anti natalist elites consistently direct US policies as good. Yeah, that could have brought that up too with Andrew. But I didn't want to go off into too many other areas. I wanted to stick to just kind of what he. What he thought was the. The killer, you know, line of argument. And to him it seemed to be that whatever helps the petrodollar. It's like, well, I mean, what if we nuked every other country and then we took all the world's oil?

[Andrew Meyer]

Would that help?

[Jay Dyer]

I mean, it just seems like it could lead to. It's a very flimsy basis, basically. Nipson $50. Damn. I gotta go to bed. I'll have to watch redeemed goober clip tomorrow. Christ is risen. Lord have mercy on all of us. I'm gonna get to it. Dude, I'm trying. Just let me finish this clip and then we'll get to that very soon.

[Andrew Meyer]

How they build those pyramids with a Bunch of.

[Jay Dyer]

What the heck is this even. What the hell is even this carrying?

[Andrew Meyer]

Okay, and then they weren't landmarks for some ship to see coming from outer space where they were supposed to land. Possibly.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay, so yeah, world's smartest atheist alien believer here, right? The Bible is crazy. It's totally insane. But the mega lists are alien landing pads and airports for the aliens. Very rational.

[Andrew Meyer]

You're right.

[Jay Dyer]

That's the most plausible explanation. Sam read my mind. That's the most plausible explanation. A hyper advanced alien race would need landing markers. Yeah, yeah. And by the way, they fly a million years or light years to get here and then their dinky little thing crashes. Right? So they have light speed, but they don't know how to land In America. In America's. In America's orbit. In the Earth's orbit and climate. Right. You're right. Oh, we've mastered galactic travel. Do you believe in God? Piles of rock.

[Andrew Meyer]

So you figure out where to live.

[Jay Dyer]

This is my line of argument. Sam Hyde likes Jay Dyer.

[Andrew Meyer]

I think Jesus with a long beard

[Jay Dyer]

and a robe and blue eyes. I do. And blonde hair indoctrination. And blonde hair indoctrination.

[Chelsea Handler]

This is Chelsea Handler from Dear Chelsea. After the Big Game. Like most people, I kept thinking about the commercials. And there was one that stayed with me. It was from the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate. And it wasn't loud or flashy. It showed a Jewish kid being targeted at school and another student who chose not to ignore it. As someone who was Jewish, that moment felt very real to me. Not dramatic, just familiar. And what struck me was how clearly it showed that hate doesn't always announce itself, but the impact is still huge. If you saw the Blue Square spot during the Big Game, it's worth thinking about. And if you want to show support, sharing the Blue Square is one small way to do that.

[Jay Dyer]

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By the way, the only time I've even seen this ridiculous blonde haired, blue eyed Jesus is at a Mormon. Dumb Mormon pictures And at an Episcopal church in Memphis. And the weird thing about the Episcopal church in Memphis I'll never be able to find that is the guy who painted it also painted a bunch of painting of images of Christ for the Vatican and for the Pope. Let me. Actually, you guys should see this because first of all, this shows you why you have to have a canonical approach to icons. You can't just paint Jesus in a way, any way that you want. Which, by the way, refutes the Roman Catholic Jesuit portrayal of Jesus as Asian Jesus, Jesus as black Jesus that is not Jesus. That becomes Gnostic Jesus because he's no longer Hebrew and he's no longer the fulfillment of the genealogy that he's supposed to fulfill. Duh, let's. But you got to see this because this illustrates a great point. And by the way, this guy, this artist, we're looking this up back when I was a trad cat is an a hermeticist weirdo. I don't remember how I ended up. I ended up touring this church one time for some reason. I don't remember how that came about. Memphis Episcopal Church. Blonde Jesus. I don't think it'll come up as Aryan Jesus. Blonde Jesus. It's a really weird. Oh, the other. He put E equals MC squared on the image. You can't make this up, right? So this is some sort of weird Gnostic Jesus. Here it is. This is it. DeRozan. That's his name. Let's see if we can get a full image of this for you guys. Okay, so this is Aryan Jesus up in the clouds. And I'll be honest with you, I mean, it's kind of cool, like just from an art perspective, but it's totally heterodox, like totally antithetical to. What the heck. No, where it go. You'll just have to look at it here. You see it there? And the book that the angel is holding, it's a. It says E equals MC squared on it. And here's another image of that. I think this is. This is that same guy, like Aryan Gnostic Jesus. And this is the one that he did for, I think, like some Roman Catholic churches. Here's a heterodox image of God the Father, I guess, is who that is. And it's St. John's Episcopal Church in Memphis. But it's just crazy, dude. It's like, what? Oh, here's another one with Dolph Lundgren Jesus. You see Dolph Lundgren there? Giant Nordic Jesus there. So in that regard, like, I'm going To agree with the Jewish atheist man here. Like, yeah, that's not Jesus. But, like, that doesn't prove anything in regard to your alien thesis. The opposite of indoctrination.

[Andrew Meyer]

Because I was an atheist until my

[Jay Dyer]

late 20s, I did the opposite. So what got you to believe that then, huh?

[Andrew Meyer]

You still believe in Santa Claus?

[Jay Dyer]

So tell me about copyrights and copy wrongs. All right, that was a funny exchange. Thanks for sending me that clip, you guys. I. I not seen that. I did want to mention this because so many people were. I didn't. This kind of surprised me on the timeline. It was like, holy Saturday welcomes new Orthodox Christians worldwide. And there's just like. I mean, this. This picture of this chick here is like three. 260,000. 35,000. 30,000. So this is. This went pretty viral, relatively speaking. All these people being received. The other thing that was funny too. I checked a lot of the comments and a lot of the posts, and many of the guys that were these new converts, they followed your boy right here. The girls, I don't think any of them. So none of the girls who converted followed me, but all of the dudes followed me. I thought that was funny, but not surprising. Okay, I know you guys have been asking and we. I do want to cover Bilderberg too, but since so many people are bitching about. COVID Redeem Zoomer. Guys, I can't imagine that he actually said something that's like super pressing and like, oh, oh, hurry, quick, Jay, refute Redeem Zoomer or else everybody's gonna become Calvinist again, right? I mean, we just saw. Redeem Zoomer's response to me three years later, right? And that was even worse than the arguments he was making initially. So he said that there's a general Protestant communion that has a magisterial authority to mind people's consciences. What? Basically nothing. No. No proposition in that sentence or assertion. That sentence is correct. There is no Protestant magisterium. There is no Protestant communion. And they might try to mine person's consciences, but that's in contrast to the Reformation. Distinctives of right of private interpretation, freedom of conscience and freedom of worship. Nips and $50. Dang, I have to go to bed. No, we did that one. Excuse me. M. Sachs, $10. Even a sleep deprived person, even when you're sleep deprived, you lay out facts clearly. I always learn from your streams. Thank you for your time. Thank you, man. I see Harris, $5. I saw a clip of you talking about George Washington. Did you see the painting of his apotheosis yeah, we went to it. That's where we went to the Masonic. The Washington Masonic Monument. And by the way, the Freemasons, like, they're the ones that really treat the Founding Fathers like the Church fathers right now. We'll get into this in the debate this weekend. I'll be debating Chase Geyser and his lodge butt buddy. I'm just joking. In Nashville at. I don't even know where this is. I hope it's not in a Masonic lodge, but that's this weekend. And yes, you can get tickets. I should have added the tickets to the show description, but. Shumizi says Blessed Posca to the number one bipack bipoc face floor. I'm glad that you see reality. People are beginning to see reality. Raptured West. Can I get a Van Dam version of Jesus? No, that's. That would be. Again, these are all non canonical heterodox icons. Parker, $10. I'm a catechumen at Father Daniel's parish. He said last night was the largest Posco they've ever had. Glory to God. Yeah, it's awesome. Yeah, Father Daniel's great. By the way, if you want to call in and refute me, tonight is your best, your best chance because I'm. I'm out of it. I'm kind of named Shell Shocked. All right, let's get into Redeem Kumar's video here and we're going to speed him up a little bit. 10 reasons he's not Orthodox. I might just skip to each of the reasons because this is like a 40 minute video. I'm not watching this whole video. We'll skip through each of these. Let's see what he says.

[Redeem Zoomer]

And today we're talking about 10 reasons why I'm not Eastern Orthodox. I've made similar videos like this a few years ago. But as many people let me know, those videos were not very well thought out because that was before I'd read any of the Church Fathers or any distinctively Eastern Orthodox theologians like Vladimir Lasky or Michael Palmer.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay, so now he's read a couple Church Fathers and a couple Orthodox theologians. So now it's all going to be more thought out. And again, we saw from the previous video against me that it was. Oh, it was system building. He's going to come up with a way to make it all work. The whole point of what we argue against these people is we don't need you inventing the wheel every generation. Right? If. If Protestantism and Calvinism are true and the Reformation theology is true, guess what? Every generation has the burden of reinventing the wheel. They're going to have to go back and see, did the Bible actually teach the Trinity? Did the Church Fathers actually teach baptismal regeneration? On and on and on. So the wheel has to be completely reinvented, completely redone every generation. So the very act of having to system build is itself an argument against Protestantism.

[Redeem Zoomer]

And as a result, my reasons were kind of simplistic. So I thought I should revisit this issue after doing the reading. Especially because I've been making a lot of videos about roman Catholicism, like 67 reasons I'm not Catholic, or all the Catholic contradictions. And many of you guys were requesting similar videos for Orthodoxy. Now, my reasons for not being Orthodox are very different than my reasons for not being Catholic. I don't think there are infallible or dogmatic contradictions in Orthodoxy the same way there are in Catholicism. But I still think there are inconsistencies and theological issues. So we'll be talking about that. But first, only a small percentage of people who watch my videos are actually subscribed. So if you like what you see and you want to see more, consider subscribing. It's free and you can always change your mind. If you liked the video, make sure to click the like button. And if you didn't like the video, make sure to click the dislike button twice. So now let's get into it. The first reason I'm not convinced by Eastern Orthodoxy is what I would call the Filioque conundrum. The Filioque is the belief that the Holy Spirit personally proceeds from the Father and the Son, or Filioque in Latin instead of just from the Father. So the west, meaning Catholics and Protestants, teaches the filioque. The east does not. So who's right? Now that's not a debate I can solve in this video. That debate's been going on for over a thousand years. There's three hour debates between like Christian Wagner and David or Hern that you can watch on YouTube. Maybe in the future I'll do a video where I actually try and argue for the filioque. But this video is about whether or not the Filioque is a heresy. Not every error is a heresy. You could be wrong about the age of the earth without being a heretic. A heresy is not just an error. It's an error that is so bad it destroys the fundamentals of the Christian faith and makes one not a Christian. Heresy is a very serious accusation. And the Eastern Orthodox Church teaches that the Filioque is a demonic Trinitarian heresy. That's what St. Gregory Palamis taught. He's the greatest post schism saint for Eastern Orthodoxy. And his views were codified at the Council of Black Renee, which is binding on all Orthodox Christians. And the identity of the Orthodox Church is being the Church that is free from heresy. The word Orthodox means right belief contrast with heterodox taught heresy for 500 years. And that fundamentally contradicts the identity of what the Orthodox Church is supposed to be. If the Orthodox Church, if their largest jurisdiction, taught a trinitarian heresy for 500 years and nobody in that jurisdiction did anything about it and there wasn't a

[Jay Dyer]

formal break, yeah, this is not true. You can read Sashinsky's treatment of the west from five hundred to a thousand, and they are not clearly teaching the double hypostatic procession question. So this becomes codified in 1274 at Lyons and then in a couple centuries later at the Council of Florence. So this is a basic mistake early on that the Latin Church from five hundred to a thousand explicitly clearly taught the filioque. This is within the time frame when, for example, Saint Maximus says, perhaps they mean economia, so let's grant them the benefit of the doubt. So it is a time period where it is unclear exactly what the Latin west means. And that's exactly what Sashinsky himself says in his scholarly treatment of the history of the filioque doctrine. So that is simply not true. And no, we don't, for example, anathematize every theological error, even until there's specifically the potentiality of that error affecting the Church at a large scale.

[Chelsea Handler]

This is Chelsea Handler from Dear Chelsea after the Big Game. Like most people, I kept thinking about the commercials, and there was one that stayed with me. It was from the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate. And it wasn't loud or flashy. It showed a Jewish kid being targeted at school and another student who chose not to ignore it. As someone who is Jewish, that moment felt very real to me. Not dramatic, just familiar. And what struck me was how clearly it showed that hate doesn't always announce itself, but the impact is still huge. If you saw the Blue Square spot during the Big Game, it's worth thinking about. And if you want to show support, sharing the Blue Square is one small way to do that.

[Jay Dyer]

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Or the church Father or the person or the patristic writer in question obstinately rejects the rest of the church. So, for example, Augustine is not a heretic because he said in on the Trinity, I give this book to the universal Church, not to Rome, by the way, to judge whether or not what I say is correct. And if there's anything wrong in it, I submit to the judgment of the Church. That's the attitude of a saint. Origen, on the other hand, did not listen to the rest of the Church and the synods and the bishops, and continued on in his Neoplatonic heresies, which denied many fundamental teachings of the Orthodox Catholic Church of that time. And thus he was condemned even in his own day and in multiple ecumenical councils. So the difference between a heretic who's obstinate and a person who made theological error is simply obstinacy and continuing in that error to death. Right. Tertullian began good, but he left the Church and ended in heresy. So he's a heretic.

[Redeem Zoomer]

So the east did not become separate officially from the west until over 600 years after Augustine first started teaching the filioque. The west is the patriarchate of Rome, which is what the Eastern.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, that's an arbitrary standard that somehow we're supposed to submit to his idea of when there should have been a excommunication and a rejection. And he doesn't know this controversy that well, he doesn't. He has not read Sashinsky on it. If he did, he would know that it's more complex than just saying. Why didn't the east just immediately cut off the entire West? Well, again, it was if you read the letter to Marinus by St. Maximus, he says it's not clear exactly what they mean or what they're teaching. Thus it's not dogmatized until 1274 at the Latin counts of lions. All right, let's move on to the next one. Icons believe the honor given to the

[Redeem Zoomer]

image passes to the prototype. That's what St. Basil says. And in context, he was not talking about icons. He was talking about the relation of the Son of the Father. But they believe that logic applies. They think icons are windows into heaven It's a very big deal for them. One of their infallible ecumenical Councils is Nica 2, which claims infallibly that icon veneration is an unbroken tradition of the apostles. Which means, if Orthodoxy is correct, icon veneration has always been practiced in the Christian churches. Here's the problem. All the best historical evidence completely contradicts that. Before 325 AD, before Constantine, before there's this massive.

[Jay Dyer]

You notice he immediately skipped every biblical Old Testament example. This is what they always do. So I'm not going to refute and rehearse the entire arguments for icons, but Orthodox Shahada made a documentary illustrating probably, I think, the strongest reputation of the iconic class. You let him deny. And the reason this is so good is that this refutes the Protestants from the Bible. So if you can demonstrate that the iconographic tradition is actually rooted in the Old Testament temple liturgy, then all of these other dumb arguments about, well, I don't see a clear representation in the year 300. Well, I've been to the catacombs, and the catacombs in Rome have clear iconographic representations from the third, the third, fourth, fifth century. Okay, so then that refutes the idea that they didn't exist historically. Now you can go to in the catacombs and you can see altars and they have pictorial imagery of Christ very early. Okay, so if the roots of iconography are Hebraic, that immediately undercuts this low tier argumentation that I don't see a patristic specific citation in the first three centuries. This Protestant literalist. How about if I go to Protestant scholars who admit that there are those things early on. And that's why I made this brief 20 minute video here refuting Gavin Ortland on icons. And I'm just arguing from the first chapter or second chapter of Hugh Wybru's book, who's an Anglican Latin liturgical scholar, called the Byzantine Liturgy. And here's that 20 minute video. So that should be an easy refutation of this low tier argument. So this guy is like 10 years behind everyone else and then he reads a few books and in three years comes back with being seven years behind everyone else. Okay, let's see the next line of argument here.

[Redeem Zoomer]

Well, brother, we know where the Church is, not where the Church is. If you read the Orthodox rudder, they very clearly know where the Church isn't. And even if there can be some grace in other communions, it's not real Christianity in the West. Everything after the Great Schism, meaning Catholicism and Protestantism, is not Real Christianity according to Eastern Orthodoxy. Here's the problem. A major reason why I am Christian, a major reason why many people are Christian, is seeing the impacts that Christianity has in the world. Seeing how Christianity improves lives, improve societies, and transformation society for the better spreads God's kingdom on earth. The vast majority of the great things Christianity has done for the world has been in Western Christianity.

[Jay Dyer]

You know, if this is a very subjective line of argumentation, because it really depends on which position is correct to know through your paradigm what constitutes a better civilization or what constitutes a greater value of, you know, quality of life. Right. If we're just measuring it by material success or something like that, well, then atheism might provide a material success because atheistic societies have become very scientifically advanced. Right? The modern west is atheistic. It's very scientifically advanced. So does that mean atheism's true? I mean, this is just a silly line of argument. It should be pretty obvious that, you know, it's just, it's the same line of argumentation that Roman Catholics do when they say Rome is a true church. Because we won't. And we have numbers, bro. And the Papacy's got a lot of money in churches, so we win. This is so stupid. It's the lowest tier of argumentation because they don't even realize Augustine's City of God is written to refute that line of argumentation. Gabriel says for $5 was origin. Yes, he was condemned by even Saint. I always forget the name. It's either Saint Optidus or Saint

[Andrew Meyer]

or

[Jay Dyer]

Origin was condemned by saints in his own day. And yes, he died outside of communion. He's a heretic. 40 crush, $2. Did you watch Trevor Moore's Kitty History? I saw a skit going around about circumcision. Is that what you're talking about?

[Andrew Meyer]

I don't know.

[Jay Dyer]

Octavian, $5. How come you avoid debates with Doug Wilson? I didn't avoid a debate with Doug Wilson. We tried to get him to come to the Bay on Tim Cast. What are you talking about? You're a long time super chatter. You should know that I'm not avoiding debates with people like Doug Wilson. In fact, I just said the other day we can try to set up a debate with Doug Wilson, but he won't. I don't think he'll do it. He didn't do. Now supposedly he told Tallahassee Patriot he would debate me. And when, when we did the three way debate on Tim Cast, it was supposed to be originally me, Tim Gordon and Doug Wilson. Now supposedly Doug Wilson wasn't able to or didn't want to. I don't know if he didn't want to do it, canceled, or couldn't do it right, who knows? But no, I'm not opposed to debating Doug Wilson. In fact, he did so bad against Heshmeyer that now I'm like, I smell blood. And I would love to debate Doug Wilson, but I don't appreciate that super chat Octavian that I'm avoiding. But you don't even know. Oh, he's trolling. He's joking. Okay, good beatbox. Would you be down to do Maton interview in the future? Yeah, I texted with Maton when we were in LA and I was about to go on there, but we had to leave a couple days before he could do it. So we talked about doing it in the future. And there's another huge channel that I also have a possibility of going on in la, in LA as well, but I don't know exactly when I'm gonna be black back in LA. So. Octavian gifted 10 memberships. Appreciate that, Celestium. $10. Hope you feel better soon. I don't feel bad, I'm just tired. Like, we just. It feels hungover because, you know, I feel hungover because of the drive. Tallahassee, what's up, man? I know that you were originally talking to Doug Wilson.

[Andrew Meyer]

Yeah, yeah, Jay, I just wanted to briefly say I can confirm that Doug Wilson said to me in person that he's up to debate you. I spoke with him at NATCON, the National Conservatism Conference in D.C. back in September. I basically explained, you know, you help lead a lot of young men to orthodoxy, you've appeared on the Alex Jones show, et cetera, et cetera. And he said he'd be open to debating you in terms of a prostate versus orthodox debate. We exchanged email address, but then the Charlie Kirk event happened in September. That totally distracted.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay, but then, but then, but then.

[Andrew Meyer]

But I followed up with him just recently the other night and I haven't heard back from him yet.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay, well, follow up once more. Yeah, feel free to. And also I thought that initially we thought FDA might do it. And FDA seem, if I recall, he seemed open to it. And then I don't know what happened with that, but then I thought, well, why don't we just get Doug Wilson into the three way debate on Tim Cast? And do you know by chance why that? Did he mention that at. At any point?

[Andrew Meyer]

Oh, no, I have no idea about that.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay. Because the Tim Cast girl was trying to get Doug Wilson. But anyway, yeah, that's all. I just want to let you know. Yeah, I appreciate that. Well, let me know what he says if he replies. To be honest with you though, I don't, I don't want to do, I don't want to go somewhere and do an in person debate because, because we just got back from a five week road trip of 20 podcasts. So I, I, I'm willing to do something definitely online in the near future. The only reason I'm doing this Nashville debate is because Nashville's not very far from here. I don't really want to drive or fly somewhere to debate Doug Wilson, but we can definitely set something up. Virgin David says for $20, if it was up to Jay, all the Founding Fathers would be orthodox. They obviously didn't know what they were doing. It's not like they created the best nation on the earth ever seen in history. Dude, are you serious? David, please call in. This is so stupid. I hope you're trolling that if that's like an actual argument that you're making. I mean, imagine Augusta, City of God is written against the idea that you can tell which religion is true based on monetary and civilizational success. I mean, this is such a dumb argument. I mean, by that line of argument, Rome fell because it became Christian, right? That's what the pagans were saying to Augustine. So the entire book City of God is written as an apologetic to refute that argument. And these mindbombed idiot Roman Catholics don't even know that. Like you're quoting at me. That orthodoxy is false because 1453, bro, it fell to, you know, Islam. It's like, dude, it fell when it was a uniate. That, that refutes you, you dummy. So Daniel or David, please call in, because I would love to refute this line of argumentation that the Founding Fathers, I mean, it's just an oversimplification, right? The Founding Fathers could be right on certain things and wrong on a lot of other things and create a nation that was very successful. But if you're trying to defend against my point earlier about the Founding Fathers and their emphasis in regards to Freemasonry, like, oh, I guess Freemasonry is true then, because the Church Fathers, I mean, the Founding Fathers were, were Freemasons. In, in large part, not all of them, but many of them. And the American Enlightenment ethos produced America, so therefore it's true. I mean, it's just so stupid, dude. I mean, do you not understand why that's a bad line? I, I think a lot of you guys actually don't understand why that's a bad line of argument. And, you know, I was trying to illustrate that with Andrew Meyer by pointing out, like, if you go this line of argument, it seems to lead to bad, illogical conclusions. Pete Hexeth will fly Doug Wilson out. I'm not flying Doug Wilson in my house, dude. I don't really want to be anywhere near Doug Wilson except on the Internet, maybe. I don't like Doug Wilson at all. I think he's. I don't think he's a good person.

[Chelsea Handler]

This is Chelsea Handler from Dear Chelsea after the Big Game. Like most people, I kept thinking about the commercials, and there was one that stayed with me. It was from the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate. And it wasn't loud or flashy. It showed a Jewish kid being targeted at school and another student who chose not to ignore it. As someone who was Jewish, that moment felt very real to me. Not dramatic, just familiar. And what struck me was how clearly it showed that hate doesn't always announce itself, but the impact is still huge. If you saw the Blue Square spot during the Big Game, it's worth thinking about. And if you want to show support, sharing the Blue Square is one small way to do that.

[Jay Dyer]

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Everyone's asking me about this Trump Post. What's the Trump Post? I don't know. I've been doing this. Let's. All right, let's do this next. Or let's move fast through Redeem Kumar's argument here. Protestant culture. I mean, these arguments are terrible. What does any of this have to do with proving whether orthodoxy is true or false? Protestant culture. I mean, by this line of argument, I could argue that Protestantism produced atheism, and atheism has destroyed the West. This is so dumb. Cleave, did you want to say something? I saw you for a second, then you fell out. Cleave, you want to come back? Owen, what's up, man?

[Andrew Meyer]

Hey, Jay. I kind of Wanted to like go back to like geopolitics stuff.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay.

[Andrew Meyer]

I think I mostly agree with you but like I keep encountering people that are like, I think they're really kind of coping to a certain extent with like the stuff that Trump has done. And I heard some people doing that a little bit earlier. And like I hear people like, I think the cope they're trying to come up with is like, oh, this is like geopolitical positioning for China and stuff is the thing that I've encountered.

[Jay Dyer]

And yeah, that's what Andrew was arguing.

[Andrew Meyer]

Yeah, that's, that's the argument that they're like make for like it's all global positioning for that. But it's really like stupid in my opic to make that argument because if you look at the domestic con political consequences from like the stuff and I know this is politics which is like a lower tier than religion and stuff and philosophy, but that's like what the arguments are on. It's stupid because the domestic consequences for these actions are going to be that like the Democrats are going to like completely take over the whole country. So it's like, okay, congratulations, like you've defeated Iran. And not even that they're going to do that, but like let's say you get everything that you think you're going to get outside of the country domestically, like you've lost everything domestically, like those are going to be the consequences. Like do you like, I try to get people to like recognize that that what's going to happen is like the entire coalition politically or whatever is completely busted. That like they built over 10 years and the betrayal is going to lead to like large scale leftist control of the country. Right. It'll break down into like domestic conflict.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah.

[Andrew Meyer]

I try to explain this to people and I think I freaked them out a little bit because I think they like everything they say. I'm like, okay, but what about this? And they just don't have a response. And that's the thing I would just point back towards people that like bring that up is just bring up the domestic stuff like, okay, but none of the domestic stuff is happening. That's what he was elected on. And he won't be able to carry any of out because he used all his political will to do foreign entanglement nonsense that he ran against for a decade. And then people don't have a response. They don't have a good response to any of that. They just say, no, no, I think this is all about the petro dollar which doesn't even exist. It's a euro dollar system. It's stupid. And they'll. But they don't know that. They don't even know what the petrodollar is. And then they'll say like, they, they just have like no response to that. But I try to point that out to people in. I'm not even trying to be mean. I'm trying to like do it gently because I kind of like the people I talk to about it.

[Jay Dyer]

I'm trying to be mean, dude. I'm over trying to be mean. I'm just joking because people say that,

[Andrew Meyer]

but that false reputation. But.

[Jay Dyer]

And you have a false reputation. Your mom has a false reputation. See, I'm being mean now.

[Andrew Meyer]

My mom is kind of mean though. That's true. But the, the people that make these arguments for the foreign stuff, they're just stupid. Like it's. You're. None of that stuff matters to the people that elected Trump. And none of that's going to matter in like five years when whatever president or whoever is in power that's going to be like, dude, these people don't want regular people to own cars.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, it's like, yeah, well, I appreciate that. It's a great point, Owen. But look, what this tells us is that Big Mike is who we should have gone with. They should have put Big Mike in and we wouldn't have none of these problems. Because she has the strength of a thousand horses to deal with these issues. She's strength could have dealt with these issues. By the way, I forgot Alex Soren also had Michael Garden on who wrote a recent book on iconography in the first three centuries. So here is that live stream with Alex and Michael Garten. I used to interact with Michael back in the day on Facebook, long time ago, before I was orthodox. So there is their long stream refuting the idea because Michael has a book on iconography again in the first few centuries. So here is Cleave and Michael glitching out. And there is their long reputation. Here is my short 20 minute refutation again. Cleave, what's up, dog? I was gonna go to this Trump post. That's what I was doing. Cleave, are you there early on the Eucharist as a sacrifice? Go ahead.

[Andrew Meyer]

I was gonna say. Yeah, I dmg that Trump pose. Basically he.

[Jay Dyer]

I'm trying to pull it up here.

[Andrew Meyer]

Made himself a picture of like himself as Jesus and then he was attacking Pope Leo, I guess on X.

[Jay Dyer]

Dude, what the hell is going on?

[Andrew Meyer]

Go check your DMs.

[Jay Dyer]

I'm pulling it up. I'm just. I'm like, that just sounds insane. Let's see. Let me pull it up here.

[Andrew Meyer]

Wow. He's like healing a guy in a. In the hospital bed surrounded by, like, angels.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay, this is funny because we actually make fun of these Boomer memes all the time where Trump is like, Jesus. And then Trump actually has tweeted the boomer Trump me. This is crazy. RT says Trump posted he is Jesus with warplanes healing another boomer in the hospital. And then it says, Trump turns on terrible Pope. Well, I agree that the popes are terrible popes, but not for the reasons that. That Donald says here.

[Andrew Meyer]

Right?

[Jay Dyer]

He says, go ahead. No, you go.

[Andrew Meyer]

I was gonna say, it seems like. It seems like he got upset at Leo because Leo recently came out and made a statement against the Iran war.

[Jay Dyer]

Right.

[Andrew Meyer]

And so he's pushing back on that. Not all the other stuff. It's like a smoke and mirrors distraction.

[Jay Dyer]

Exactly. Yeah. And again, like, it's not going to be for the right reasons. Right. Like that. To me, that's funny if he trolls the Pope, but not over an issue where Leo happens to be correct. I like his brother much better. He was maga. Doesn't want it wants ran to have nuclear weapons. I mean, this is just. Dude, It's on so many levels too. Right? Because remember when I put that post up the other day about that Leo is actually contradicting the entire history of the papacy by saying that there's no such thing as just war. God doesn't hear those who wage war. And it's like, your church has a theory of just war. Dude, what are you talking about? The Papal States has gone to war many, many times. The popes called Crusades. Dude, what are you talking about? And then the Roman Catholics are like, why you support Israel? Are you that stupid? I've done like 40 podcasts against the war in Iran. What are you talking about? But I mean, we're talking about people who, like, everyone's a Muslim now. Everyone has become a Muslim. They're all Muslims. They cannot think in, like, second order reasoning. Like, if you. They don't. They can't do the breakfast question. Right? How would you feel if you hadn't had breakfast? You saying that I don't get no breakfast? You said I don't get to eat breakfast. AI says for $5. I paid my dues, I'm squared away, and I'm on the level. Hands up to Zoltan. Zoltan Isban. What are you talking about? Another dumb meme bro. $50. It was good to see you visiting the Rokor Bros. Christ is risen. Hey. Yeah, glad to see you as well. I did have to skip out early. I know you guys thought I was being rude, but I had to drive back three hours and so I slipped out after the Posca service because I had to drive three hours. And if I stayed and talked to all you guys, I would have been there until 10 in the morning. So I couldn't stay and talk. I'm sure I'll see you guys in the future, though. I wanted to say that you helped guide me to orthodoxy. I found you through the book reviews. Book reviews? What book review? I found orthodoxy second. Oh, you mean books that I covered on my channel. Interesting. Thank you, man. Thank you. Appreciate that. Yeah, people come to orthodoxy through all kinds of different means, so that's good. Processional age. $2. You should do a video with Rob nowhere. Yeah, I'm down to chat with Rob. It would be an interesting dynamic between your worldviews. Many would find it entertaining. Yeah, I think. I think we mentioned that a long time ago and I didn't know who Rob was, but yeah, he seems like a good guy. Thomas, $20 big dog, I just checked in on your stream.

[Chelsea Handler]

This is Chelsea Handler from Dear Chelsea. After the Big Game. Like most people, I kept thinking about the commercials. And there was one that stayed with me. It was from the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate. And it wasn't loud or flashy. It showed a Jewish kid being targeted at school and another student who chose not to ignore it. As someone who was Jewish, that moment felt very real to me. Not dramatic, just familiar. And what struck me was how clearly it showed that hate doesn't always announce itself, but the impact is still huge. If you saw the Blue Square spot during the Big game, it's worth thinking about. And if you want to show support, sharing the Blue Square is one small way to do that.

[Jay Dyer]

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Did you already pull up Trump and the Pope Beefing? Yeah, we just covered it right now Trump mentions that Leo is only there because of him. Well, interesting if that's. I mean Trump's probably being, you know, exaggerating. But. This is also interesting given that what we covered about a couple days ago, remember where Cardinal Kristoff was invited to the Pentagon and in January and they had this kerfuffle intimidation argument supposedly about Iran and that the papacy needs to back down because supposedly the Pentagon is running and they reference the Avignon Papacy. It's like. This is so bizarre, right? I mean, is. Maybe they're. You. Are they using my arguments. I'm joking, but are they like using my arguments against Rome to like argue against Leo? This is getting crazy, dude. By the way, are. We are live streaming on multiple outlets now, so hopefully this continues to work. Well, you can find me also on Grumble. You can find me on X as well. Thank you guys for these generous super chats. All right, let's get to the rest of Redeem Zoomers. Bad argumentation here. Protestant culture. I'm going to skip over that because we just covered that. While that's a good about argument. Argument predestination form of Christianity, this is not an argument for his. For your position, if you understand Christology, because this means that Christ is a predestined man and it messes up the trinitarian Christological theology that the fifth and sixth councils lay down. And so predestination ends up essentially meaning that the Son of God becomes destined in time and space. Well, how does a person of the Trinity become predestined? Right. So you end up with an historian Christology. I made this argument countless times and I think the predestinarian argument against Christology is probably one of the strongest other overlooked arguments beyond PSA and the damning of the sun. Right. The only problem with that argument is that it's very complex and it gets into the Christology that the Calvinists have no idea about. So when you start trying to say that you have to have a property of will and energy to be. To have a human nature, and if Christ has our human nature, then he has a properly free human will and energy, well then predestination and monergism is not true. Now we have a subjective argument about the fruits and his. He's arguing that orthodoxy does not produce holier people. Okay, this is, I mean I'm not. That's not even a serious argument. And then Orientals exist. So orthodoxy is not true because there's. So because there's Disagreement. So, so by that line of argument, if Protestantism has a thousand sex or 30,000 sex, disagreeing Protestantism isn't true. I mean, this is so stupid, dude, Because they're schisms. How do you know which one's true? Again, this is a irrelevant line of argumentation in terms of what's true. That's like saying if people disagree that two plus two equals four, then you don't know that two plus two is four. This is a fallacy. It's a stupid line of argument. This guy's just holiness is having family and kids. It's. And orthodoxy thinks it's being on a, a monk on a, a mountain. Well, does he not realize that within the New Testament Paul talks about the gift of celibacy and that it's a gift and that Mary and Jesus were celibate and that John the Baptist was an ascetic and that Elijah was an ascetic. So it's like he doesn't even know. The biblical tradition is full of asceticism. And what's the, what's the tenth argument? I don't see the tenth argument. It goes from nine. So I, I don't know if you wanted a longer refutation, but that was all just really dumb. None of it was theological argumentation. Hardly. It's like moral, cultural. The west is the best, right? It's like Jim Morrison level argumentation. The west is the best. We got redeemed. Zoom right here. Literally citing Jim Morrison as like his line of argument. Stephen Wolf, $10. I'm new to Orthodoxy, thanks to you. I'm a former Protestant or former Freemason. I have questions about Dionysius. I'm looking for the best resources. I can't imagine early fathers accepting him as a Platonist. He's not, he's, he's not. I mean, you could say he's influenced by some Plato ideas, but there's a great article at Ortho Christian on Dionysius. And it's written by even a Protestant. This was written by an Anglican and I think maybe translated by Father Staniloy. And Father Staniloy is one of the great orthodox saints of the last century. I mean, theologians. He's a saint now. I think he's a saint now. So you can read that. Also, by the way. And I, I'm not a fan of Bishop Galitzyn at all. But somebody posted. My conversation with Bishop Gillitzson from 10 years ago when I met Pajo Pageau was at this conference here. And I don't. This dude digs up and finds the. The craziest, random old that I've forgotten about. And he posted on my discussion with Bishop Alexander on Dionysius. Now, I'm not a fan of Bishop Alexander, but he is an authority, academically speaking, on Dionysius. Now, he doesn't accept Dionysian authorship, so we're not going to go into that. But he does trace the influence of Dionysius not just from Platonic ideas, but also to the Merkabah and the theology of the chariot in Ezekiel. I'm not talking about Kabbalism. I'm talking about what Kabbalism is partly based upon. Right. Kabbalism pulls from a lot of different sources, so we'll get low tier retards quoting. No, I'm saying that there's a lot of different sources that influence later kabbalists. And one of those is their interpretation of the passages in Ezekiel about the chariot. This is chapters 1, 2 and 10. And of course, in our theology, that is the logos and the chariot that he rides, okay? The living creatures are a chariot in that. In that passage. So he traces the Dionysian celestial hierarchy influences also to that. And in that regard he is relevant for your question. I am not promoting anything else. However, from Bishop Gallitzin. Another dumb meme, bro. $50. I also heard somebody say that you left last night early. I didn't leave the liturgy early. I left right after communion because I had to drive through three hours. I understand. I guarantee others get it. The last thing anyone wants to hear is, hey, bro, I got a question. One guy was trying to ask me tag questions when I went out to the car to drink, drink some water. I thought it was funny. I'm not dissing that guy, so don't get your feelings hurt. I'm not dis. I just thought it was funny that, like, if I go to the liturgy and I try to slip out, people start asking me tag questions. I just thought that was funny. But I was like, bro, just ask me some other time. Another dumb, mean bro. $10. I didn't want to bother you. I'm glad to celebrate Posca. It's okay. I mean, I understand people, you know, want to ask questions and whatnot. I'm not mad at you guys or fussing at you guys. It's just if I stayed and chatted, I would have been there forever. And I'm sure we're going to be back. And then we can have, you know, all the Q A you guys want the next time I come back. But I can't I mean, I was seeing things because it was driving. It's five in the morning, dude. Stephen Wojie, $10. I'm new to orthodoxy. I'm also former Freemason. No, you're the guy that asked the Dionysius question. Myron. Chuck. What's up, dog? Go ahead, my man.

[Chelsea Handler]

This is Chelsea Handler from Dear Chelsea. After the Big Game, like most people, I kept thinking about the commercials, and there was one that stayed with me. It was from the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate. And it wasn't loud or flashy. It showed a Jewish kid being targeted at school and another student who chose not to ignore it. As someone who is Jewish, that moment felt very real to me. Not dramatic, just familiar. And what struck me was how clearly it showed that hate doesn't always announce itself, but the impact is still huge. If you saw the Blue Square spot during the big Game, it's worth thinking about. And if you want to show support, sharing the Blue Square is one small way to do this, that.

[Jay Dyer]

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Man, it's hot in here. Unmute. Jason,

[Andrew Meyer]

long time. This is your first time caller crisis risen. We'll get that.

[Jay Dyer]

Indeed. I think there's, I think there's a

[Andrew Meyer]

synergy here, especially from what I'm hearing, you know, even with the redeemed sewers and, and that lawyer ICC here.

[Jay Dyer]

So can you speak up? It's hard to hear.

[Andrew Meyer]

It's geopolitics.

[Jay Dyer]

It's hard to hear what you're saying. Jason, can you speak up a little bit? Sorry.

[Andrew Meyer]

Is that better? I mean, hopefully. I don't know which mic this thing's got me on.

[Jay Dyer]

It's a bad mic, but go ahead.

[Andrew Meyer]

I think there's a synergy between, like, the Protestant space and, and the geopolitics space, because what I keep hearing, and you know, when I had Jim Jotteris on, we did a full year of talking about, talking about Russia and Ukraine. And one of the big things that comes that came away with that is that geopolitics is a dish fester cold like you can't. Trying to do, you know, trying to do mid to minute analysis right now in 2026 is almost impossible because everything is changing. They just lie and re change their position on the fly. I've watched them do it with Russia, Ukraine and I think they're doing the same thing with Iran, everybody else.

[Rachel]

So

[Andrew Meyer]

the long and short of it is that most people shouldn't be involved in it. Especially if I think for orthodox people, if it's making you hate your brother or turn against your brother or turn to more despair, that's usually your cue to get, to get, to just touch grass, back away from it, like stop listening to it. It's the same thing with the FC and all the rest of it as well. I think so. So I guess the open question for you is, is balancing, balancing faith with geopolitics, especially analysis and what you, what you think is the best, best remedy for that.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, brother, the way to do it is to become a member of the lodge and then we're all big brothers. I'm joking. Yeah, I mean it's not for everybody. It's not, you know, something that you have to take upon yourself to be, you know, interested in or involved in these things. I guess it's if, you know, but God made us all with different proclivities and interests and the people that are interested in geopolitics. You know, you need people like John Kiriaku, who's there, who's orthodox. He's, you know, in, in the intelligence establishment and eventually becomes a whistleblower. So it's great to have voices like him. You know, it's great to have voices like Jim Jotras. You know, he's, he reminds me in many ways of Kiriaku. Very similar kinds of takes and calls outs, but, you know, not necessarily every catechumen or convert or young dude has to be involved in these things. And I think it's really just a matter of keeping priority straight. You know, if, if we're putting politics first in the sense of, you know, getting on here and getting angry at people. I'm not calling out Andrew, I'm saying like H. Brasy was saying, like, if people's different political takes is becoming a stumbling block, well then yeah, maybe it is a good time to, to take a break and you know, not let that get you angry. I, I, I think for me, you know, I can have an exchange where I disagree with Andrew Meyer and we can dis, we can debate it and be even still be friendly. And I would imagine anybody else that. Because I just don't view politics as. It's not my main thing. Right. And even Andrew is pretty good at. Even though politics is his main thing. It doesn't. He. He doesn't take it on and then like get furious at everybody. Right. He can have a debate with or Owen Schroer and they can disagree and still be. Be friendly. So I think we would do well to not let politics be an issue where we are furious and angry at people. As hard. As hard as it is.

[Andrew Meyer]

Yeah, I just caught, I just caught.

[Jay Dyer]

Now I can hear you now I can hear you.

[Andrew Meyer]

Mic. Better.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, much better. Go ahead.

[Rachel]

Good.

[Andrew Meyer]

I just caught a clip of you talking with Harrison and you, you started off with clip talking about how essentially it is a spiritual war. I know. I think you and I are, are on the same side on the Christian nationalism kind of topic where it's, it's a nice idea but which Christianity we talking about here? And we need to get also get to fundamentals before we even start talking about nationalism or anything else like that.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, well, I mean Pete Heth just had Doug Wilson saying we're going to ban orthodox Catholic stuff in our Christian nationalist state. That proves my point.

[Andrew Meyer]

Right. Which Christianity are we talking about here? Right. And anything that shines any kind of true light on any, on any of these things is going to be asthma to these fine folks. So the. But to get to back to the fundamentals, like the one thing we, we start to change is not just ourselves. We repent for ourselves, but we start working. The outreach has to be on a community level.

[Jay Dyer]

It's building blocks rather than trying to

[Andrew Meyer]

think of the, of the final building. Right. We're, we're at foundation level stuff. I, I keep saying to people it's best to think of we don't live in a civilization anymore. That doesn't mean we can't again. It just means that we don't have that right now.

[Redeem Zoomer]

Right.

[Andrew Meyer]

We have all the accoutrement. We have the buildings, we have the nice stuff, we have the tech, but we don't have the, the actual building blocks. The foundation of civilization. And so we need to rebuild that first. And as we build that then we can maybe, you know, generationally speaking, maybe my great, great grandkids can start talking about civilization.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah. We need to think long term. Exactly. Right. Good.

[Andrew Meyer]

Okay. I am back in content space. I got my blessings restored. So I will be reaching out and God bless you for all you do, my friend.

[Jay Dyer]

Thank you, Jason. Yeah, I appreciate you calling in. Great comments.

[Andrew Meyer]

Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

I think we just have to not make politics an idol. And, you know, I. I didn't check out of politics, but I. I didn't. I don't care as much about politics nowadays as I did when I was, you know, in my 20s or when I was following Ron Paul or whatever. And I can, for me, I can, like, enter and exit the political space. And it doesn't bother me, like, because I'm not. People get so hyped up and treat politics as a religion. And then when people disagree. I'm not talking about. I'm not calling on H barazi. I'm just giving a general statement here. Like, when people disagree, then it's like, I can't believe your political take. Well, like, for me, politics is way downstream from the other things, and most people don't see it that way. I understand most. For most Americans, politics is a religion, and they don't see things as downstream from it. And since I do, I'm not really bothered by any of these goobers or people that are out here who have different. Different positions. I'm speaking in general of all the sphere. Like, you know, when I see Andrew Tate's posts, when I see Pearl's posts, when I see who. Like, none of these posts, they don't bother me. Like, I'm not worried about it. I'm not triggered. I do get triggered when I see, like, Trent Horn or somebody like that, that triggers me. But, like, the political, I don't care about. I mean, I'll comment on it, make fun of it or whatever, but. Just, people get so triggered by everyone in every sphere. And to me, I'm just like, who cares, dude? Like, who cares about what Rando people are saying on Twitter? It's just. It's weird. Mark, did you want to say something? I know you've been waiting a while.

[Andrew Meyer]

Hey, Jay.

[Jay Dyer]

Yo.

[Andrew Meyer]

Hey. I just wanted to say, like, I went to my first Orthodox service last Palm Sunday, and I just want to commend you and the Wilsons and Cleave and Alex and all those folks on what you're doing. It's. It's. It was amazing. Good. I didn't go to Pasca or anything because I'm just, you know, I'm inquiring, and that's. That's a big step for a guy.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, Bosco would have been pretty intense if it was your first one. Like, I mean, I was just. I was thinking that last night, I was like, I was like, imagine if this was your first service.

[Andrew Meyer]

Like, I didn't even leave the narthex. I, I didn't go into the tabernacle or anything. I, like, I just, I had to stay there because it was, it was a lot. But, you know, as a guy that grew up, I'm in Texas, I grew up in the Church of Christ, you know, the Barton Stone, Stone Campbell movement. And, but it's, it's so encouraging what you guys are doing. And. Yeah, I don't even know what to say, but I, I just wanted to commend you on, on, you know, the content you're putting out there, the education that all of us are getting. Thanks, man.

[Jay Dyer]

Appreciate that. Appreciate the kind words. You know, we still get a lot of haters, a lot of opposition, a lot of creeps and weirdos every day. So I appreciate that. You guys saw the guy the other day saying he was going to come unalive me on discord. So it's nice to have, you know, people speaking up and being positive. Appreciate that. Let's see, we got swinter's $2. What do you think about Roman Catholicism's treasury of Merits doctrine? I actually think it's an over overlooked argument refuting Rome. It's so preposterous, the whole idea, totally antithetical to anything in the first thousand years of Christianity. It's utterly preposterous and it should be utilized more to review, refute rome. Kevin Ruse, $2. You missed my super chat. I'm trying to get through them, man. There's a lot. Let's. Perez became a member. Will you do another regime zoomer debate? I know he wanted to debate. Do a debate with Nick Fuentes, with Corey Feldman as a mediator. That sounds awesome. But I think, you know, Nick made it clear he's not interested in any theological debates. And the only reason that kerfluffle happened was because somebody asked me if I would debate him again. I said, yeah. And then people clip that and they're all like, he's trying to go after Nick. I just said I would.

[Chelsea Handler]

This is Chelsea Handler from Dear Chelsea after the Big Game. Like most people, I kept thinking about the commercials. And there was one that stayed with me. It was from the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate. And it wasn't loud or flashy. It showed a Jewish kid being targeted at school and another student who chose not to ignore it. As someone who was Jewish, that moment felt very real to me. Not dramatic, just familiar. And what struck me was how clearly it showed that hate doesn't always announce itself, but the impact is still huge. If you saw the blue square spot during the big game, it's worth thinking about. And if you want to show support, sharing the blue square is one small way to do that.

[Jay Dyer]

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Because I don't typically turn down debates unless it's like an insane person or something like that or. Or somebody that I've already debated a whole bunch. Like Daniel Hookikachu. I think you wanted to do another debate and I was just like, come on, dude, we've already done the same debate twice. And then there was a. Or no, maybe I only debated Daniel once. I can't remember. I would like to debate another one of the Muslims. I haven't debated Muhammad Hijab or Ali Dawa. I guess there's the only two that are left. Somebody said debate Adam Green. I mean, come on, man. That guy's just. It's the same low tier stuff. You already debated Jim. You already debated Coattail. You already bet Andrew. It's just going to be the same stuff all over again. Debate, Debate. Frank Turek with Candace as a moderator. Okay, yeah, sure, I'll debate Frank Turk. Yeah, but I mean, I don't think these people want to do a debate. Little Natty for $2. Do you have any videos about Gog and Magog? No, I don't have any videos on that. Man. My allergies are going crazy right now. Dude, I'm looking for your super chat Kievan Ruse. I did read one of your super chats. Maybe you missed it. Oh, let's see. I don't see another super chat that I missed from you. And we even got to Bilderberg. Myron. Chuck, did you want to say something else? I'm mute. Are you there? Michael says, For $10, what is the point of the tree of knowledge? And what was the original purpose of Adam and Eve? The original purpose was that for them to achieve theosis by being virtuous and learning virtue and had they learned virtue, then they could have eaten the tree of knowledge and they would have been able to handle that level of. You know that they would have been able to handle the knowledge because they've been secured in virtue. That's the Eastern Father teaching. Because of course God doesn't create anything evil in itself, so that that tree was not in itself evil, but they needed to be established in virtue before they would. Could have had. Could have had access to that. But because they didn't get established in virtue, they were not prepared for that and thus it led to the fall. So great question though. Let's see. Here's a question about Rob. Nowhere. It says Rob Nowhere. Brennan's. Brennan Bell. $10. Rob is a good guy. He's supposed to be debating a Nigerian scammer who took his account on Wednesday. Are you joking or being serious? That sounds h. Emperor Sheev debate Quadle Dingle with John Pork as moderator. Okay, I don't know what that is, but yes, sure. I'm looking for your other super chat caven ruse. And by the way, David. David JD123. Why are you not calling in? Dude, you're. You're the one that's in here talking so much smack. I want you to come on and do and debate collab with Alex on Power Metal and have a rap 90s rap section. Perez says for $5. Okay, dude, Kievan roost. I'm not seeing it, man, I'm scrolling. Oh, here it is. No, I. I read this one. You said for $5 to add to the petrodollar argument. It's a neuter, an enemy. At any time the adversaries are building their militaries to salt solidify US dominance. I responded to that, Terry. $10. Did you know that Babelist Baptists argue for disestablishmentarianism and religious liberty? Yeah, of course. I've made this argument many times. This is the heritage of the Radical Reformation. You guys don't listen. Like, you guys that asked me these questions. Not you, but the guy that was the David guy saying that I think that the founding fathers failed because they weren't orthodox. Well, actually, yeah, like anybody who isn't orthodox is ultimately going to fail in the sense of like creating the type of civilization that God wants. But that doesn't mean that it's all or nothing. Like they didn't still do some good things. It's just super low tier stuff. All right, let's listen to a little bit of what Dan Dix has said about Bilderberg, because this this ties perfectly into what were talking about tonight with Kissinger and sort of creating the petrodollar reliance which allows for the excuse of foreign intervention everywhere.

[Dan Dicks]

Then, while the rest of the world is distracted by bread and circus headlines, the real power brokers, the ones who actually run the show, are once again locking themselves away behind closed doors, behind armed guards and behind a total media Blackout for the 2026 Bilderberg Conference. There is virtually no press coverage other than those of us who are here with our boots on the ground doing this reporting. There's no public minutes and there's no accountability. Just billionaires, banksters and politicians, tech overlords and media gatekeepers who are deciding the direction of the world while the rest of us are all told it's just a private chat. This time they are in Washington D.C. and they've got some serious security, an army of police and a guest list that reads like a who's who of everyone who hates your freedoms. So in this video, I'm gonna spell it all out for you. I'm gonna cover the official agenda of this year's meeting and I'm gonna list some of the notable names who are in attendance. Because once you see the connections, you won't be able to unsee them. But just before I do, please remember to take one minute to visit this go get funding campaign to help me with my coverage here, where I'll be exposing the world's most powerful and influential people. I'll be getting up the description. Alright guys, first of all, the Prime Minister of Canada, Mark Carney and the Minister of Finance, Francois Philippe Champagne, were on the leaked list. But that looks like it has since been revised. It seems that Mark Carney getting a majority government in Canada has taken precedence over Bilderberg. But just because they're not on the official list, that doesn't mean that they might not show up. And this is why I'm here, to find those key discrepancies as I've done in previous years. So that means the only notable Canadian at this, this year's meeting is none other than Christia Freeland, the former Deputy Prime Minister and former Minister of Transport and intern.

[Jay Dyer]

So again, this demonstrates the strata of power of the corporate banking elite that are above the political class and they have a tremendous amount of influence and power, sort of handing down the agenda to people at cfr, people at Trilateral, and those are the people then that influence and tell politicians what to do. So that's the Supra international elite that are above the political class, that Again, will tell people like Carney and others what to do. I mean, Mark Carney was in Bilderberg previously, and then he's gonna, you know, then, then, oh, political office in Canada. And we see this pretty consistently going back many, many decades. And if you don't know about this, I would say beginning with Daniel Esalen's classic book, the Story of the Bilderberg Group, which was one of my early conspiracy texts, this came out in 2007. It's by my publisher, Trying Day. It is a classic. I've done probably four or five podcasts over the years with Daniel Esalen. Really intelligent person, very good analyst. He understands the big picture, who the real power elite are. Kind of like a Patrick Henningson type of guy. Don't agree with everything that Patrick says, don't agree with everything that Daniel Esalen says. But I can learn from people that I disagree with and I think that's a key thing to take away as well when it comes to, like, the political discourse. Even when you hear people you disagree with, listen to their arguments, hear out what they're saying, it's only going to make you a better debater to actually hear and process and understand even the opponents and people that you don't like. So even if you don't like somebody, you have to force yourself to steel man their position. And that will make you a better debater. Kevin Ruse, $5. I was, it was spot. It was about Epstein. No worries. Blessed Posca, thank you for what you do. Okay, I'll scroll back. I saw your military industrial complex tweet. I did our super chat. I didn't see one about Epstein. Let me see. Where's that David J guy? He needs to call in. He's talking smack. I can't stand it when people talk smack in the chat and they won't call in and debate. Drives me crazy. Okay, I see your super chat about mic. Okay, here it is. Kevin Roost, $5. That dude was dumb. But Epstein was banned, informed on and arrested, ordered and released by and under Trump. I know that. I, I've argued that. Remember when people were attacking me because I said Trump went to the FBI and was talking to them about Epstein. I, I know that, like I, I, I said that, but what I'm saying is it's under Trump and his administration with Bondi and Patel and these people that we got all of this tomfoolery and bumblery and, and it's that Justice Department that redacted the perpetrators and all these horrendous People and all these insane level emails and so that's what I'm saying. That's what I was arguing. To the idiot Freemason guy, Alex, Orthodox $5. The next time you debate the black Hebrew Israelite guy, will you correct him on the ass? Axe. Axe distinction. Yeah. A lot of people don't know that for Orthodox we have sinary distinction, but for the black Hebrew Israelites, they have a real problem with the Ask Acts distinction. They cannot keep getting away with it. Christ is risen. Indeed he is. Thank you, Alex. NIFS$10. Is the boule Society relevant at all? I mean, I think it's relevant. We actually talked about that with when I was on Sam Hyde's pgl, right. Perfect Guy Life. Me and Nick talked extensively and Sam as well, about black secret societies. I think they play a key role in influencing and steering the black networks. You know, prominent black people, they have their own, you know, secret societies and networks that are kind of quasi Masonic with things like that. I don't know to what degree they have influence over, you know, Kanye or not Kanye, Lebron James and people that are, you know, allegedly in the Boule Society. But I would imagine that it's just, you know, the way the system works. For example, if you think about Bilderberg, a lot of the people that go to Bilderberg are also members of the cfr, and those people are also members of the Trilateral Commission. So they're all kind of in the same steering groups and committees. And, you know, people at the level of Brzezinski or Kissinger or Rockefeller or. Now we, we realize, Epstein, you know, they can be members of all these different things and they can kind of interact with people in other societies and networks. And that's how the power structure works.

[Chelsea Handler]

This is Chelsea Handler from Dear Chelsea. After the Big Game. Like most people, I kept thinking about the commercials, and there was one that stayed with me. It was from the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate. And it wasn't loud or flashy. It showed a Jewish kid being targeted at school and another student who chose not to ignore it. As someone who was Jewish, that moment felt very real to me. Not dramatic, just familiar. And what struck me was how clearly it showed that hate doesn't always announce itself, but the impact is still huge. If you saw the Blue Square spot during the Big Game, it's worth thinking about. And if you want to show support, sharing the Blue Square is one small way to do that.

[Rachel]

That.

[Jay Dyer]

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You guys may remember this classic infographic which if you go to Infowars, if you're in the studios, I'm saying Alex has this giant massive wall sized post. And this infographic is just looking at media people and this is a few years old but oh come on now it's not going to come up. It used to come up, but I guess Google is blocking that image now. Let me try, see if I can find, pull it up over here on something else. Here it is. I found it. So you have to go to like Russian search engines to make this come up. So it's still not a high, high def image, but you can, you can, if you search around, you can find the real high def image. But basically it's just showing you that the same people in media that are in the CFR also go to trilateral and they also attend Bilderberg. Right. And it's all the heads of every mainstream outlet. Right? So you've got everybody from Facebook to Disney to Washington Post, Fox. Right. All the media heads are all at the same events and meetings. So again like easy reference right here proving that the western power elite and power structure for many years met under semi secrecy at the Bilderberg meetings which is happening right now in dc. And this is just media, right? So the same image could be made of corporate heads of other industries. Tech. And Bilderberg has taken on a much more tech centered focus in the last say 10 years. Because I was writing articles about Bilderberg 10 years ago, I reshared that as well right here. So. Oh crap, the links are dead. Dang it. Well, my mistake. But I did write articles. They're in my red book if you want to get the red book. So and then let's go back to.

[Andrew Meyer]

Oh.

[Jay Dyer]

We'll go back, let's go back to the rest of that clip here. We'll be, we'll be done with this very soon.

[Dan Dicks]

Identical to the recent Covid playbook. Lock it down, ration it, control it and call it saving the planet. Sound familiar? Next we've got Kristalina Georgieva, Managing director of the imf. The queen of debt traps is here to make sure that every country on Earth gets properly chained to the same digital slavery system that they're rolling out. She spent years trapping developing nations in debt slavery and now she wants the same model for the west through climate finance and digital currencies. And then comes the tech overlords who are actually building the digital prison. Alex Karp, CEO of Palantir Technologies, the company whose AI is already helping governments spy on, predict and punish their own citizens in real time. Nothing creepy about that at all. His company, Palantir, knows more about you than you do. And we can't speak about Palantir without mentioning his co founder, Peter Thiel. I confronted him at last year's meeting not only about the Big Brother surveillance system that he's helping to set up, but also about his ties to Jeffrey Epstein. If you haven't seen that, I'll put a link to that clip in the description below. And rounding this out, we have the media mouthpieces, the ones who will make sure you never hear the wrong version version of events. Anne Applebaum of the Atlantic, John Micklethwait, editor in chief of Blue.

[Jay Dyer]

The Atlantic is very was very close to in defending Epstein as well. So this is another big establishment outlet, just a CIA mouthpiece.

[Dan Dicks]

Bloomberg and Zanny Minton Bedos, editor in chief of the Economist, to name a few.

[Jay Dyer]

These are the Economist is a Rothschild publication.

[Dan Dicks]

On record are the gatekeepers who will spin whatever comes out of this meeting into the official narrative that you're supposed to swallow without question. Oh yeah, and for good measure, the King and Queen of the Netherlands are apparently making an appearance as well. Because nothing says we're all in this together like actual royalty rubbing shoulders with the people who run the central banks, the armies, the energy cartels and the spying software when you're deciding the future.

[Jay Dyer]

So again, like as that he pointed out when he was on with Lord Voldemort yesterday. How many people are there covering this? Three people. Three people covering Bilderberg now. The most powerful people and corporate heads and banking heads, IMF heads, elites in the west are meeting in D.C. right now and everyone is arguing about Trump memes on X and no one is figuring out that the Trump memes don't matter. Bilderberg is what matters. So we still not made progress, right? We've still not made pro. We've made a little progress perhaps in like people mildly waking up a little bit, but they always get shuffled into stupid, you know, political football crap. Meanwhile, the real power brokers are at Bilderberg and there's only three people there. With Dan Dix covering this humanity, it's

[Dan Dicks]

apparently important to have actual monarchs in the room. That way you can keep things classy while you dismantle sovereignty. Now let's look at this year's official official agenda. First up, we've got AI, which I would suggest is not separate from the future of warfare. Autonomous drones, AI targeting predictive battles and kill machines at lightning speed. The Palantir types are already bragging about running most of the operations in Ukraine. Bilderberg is where they align the Western defense industrial machine on how to deploy this stuff up without losing control.

[Jay Dyer]

See? Do you see how big that is, how important this is? This is crucial. And no one is talking about this except for Dan Dicks, Jason Burus, Lord Voldemort, myself, or letting it spiral.

[Dan Dicks]

Next we have Arctic Security. It seems they might be eyeing the melting ice like vultures. New shipping routes.

[Jay Dyer]

I've covered Bilderberg every year for the last 10 years. I mean covered in the sense of touching on it in videos, podcast every time it happens. And every time we go through the same reminders, we go through Estelin's book, We go through all this stuff and tomorrow everybody will just be back to arguing about Trump, stupid Trump memes and forgetting what really matter. This is why things don't change. This is why things don't change because we don't continue to look at this. The real movers and shakers and everybody wants to do the stupid shit.

[Dan Dicks]

Resources and military posturing up north. Russia and China are already making moves, but Bilderberg wants to make sure the west secures it first. Next up we have China. The usual obsession, containment and tech decoupling Taiwan tensions and supply chains. Next we've got digital finance, CBDCs, digital IDs and programmable money. This is the quiet shift from cash to total financial surveillance. Track every transaction and freeze dissidents overnight. They love this stuff. Next we have energy diversification.

[Jay Dyer]

So you notice that Bilderberg is still interested in the CBDC and programmable Shut up. Shut offable money. And this is another great point to interject and talk about Bitcoin. This is what Bitcoin exists to oppose, right? It opposes the Federal Reserve, the fiat nonsense system. It's the only logical real world solution that exists right now to the existing monetary problems. The dollar will not be fixed. It's not going to have a thousand year millennial reign like Andrew Meyer says because of the war in Iran, I don't know where he got that kind of crazy theory, but the the dollar will die. And the only solution to that is if you go to the show description, you will notice that there's a link to Swan Bitcoin and you can access a discount at Swan Bitcoin using my promo code. I have many, many podcasts on bitcoin. If you're new to bitcoin, you can go check out those podcasts explaining the basics of bitcoin. If you don't understand it, please do not give me your low IQ comments that it's the CIA's currency. None of that's true. I'm happy to refute all of that when you go to the many podcasts that we've done on the history of bitcoin bitcoin, including covering Siphon Amos's book on the history of money in bitcoin. But you can get started with bitcoin. Right here is the promo code to Swan Bitcoin. They're a bitcoin only company and we also have a show sponsor, Chalk.com the best in supplementation on the Internet. Ch.com Chalk.com use the promo code J60Life. That's J60LFE to get 60 off all those great chalk products. Let's listen to the rest of Dan's performance.

[Dan Dicks]

In other words, ditch Russian oil and gas and push the green transition harder. Keep energy expensive and controlled and get ready for energy lockdowns. Next, we have Europe. Europe is a mess with energy crises, migration, blowback and political fragmentation. Bilderberg chats about how to glue it all back together, how to boost defense spending and to stop it from. From drifting too far from right where I am right now.

[Jay Dyer]

All right, we'll go to a couple calls. America First, Tampa. What's up?

[Chelsea Handler]

This is Chelsea Handler from Dear Chelsea after the Big Game. Like most people, I kept thinking about the commercials. And there was one that stayed with me. It was from the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate. And it wasn't loud or flashy. It showed a Jewish kid being targeted at school and another student who chose not to ignore. As someone who is Jewish, that moment felt very real to me. Not dramatic, just familiar. And what struck me was how clearly it showed that hate doesn't always announce itself, but the impact is still huge. If you saw the Blue Square spot during the big game, it's worth thinking about. And if you want to show support, sharing the Blue Square is one small way to do that.

[Jay Dyer]

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You want to unmute?

[Andrew Meyer]

Yeah, just, you know, I can't. Before the space, I was on, like, a different space. And, like, you know, I simply just brought up the fact that, you know, I'm 24 years old. You know, I'm barely making it by, you know, rent up my ass every month. Like, I barely make a scrip scrape by and like, they're like, oh, the only thing in this ran war that changed is that, you know, we just had to pay a little bit more in gas. And I'm sitting here like, I can't pay a little bit more in gas. Why the do I have to pay a little bit more in gas so we can bomb some other countries on the other side of the world, you know, like, and I don't know if that maybe I'm the only one that's struggling to make my ends meet while my country just blows away billions and billions of dollars. I'm blowing people up in the other side of the world that I've never met or, you know, had any kind of connection with. And it's just like, I feel like, you know, I brought it up and I feel like it has nothing to do with me and, like, my, you know, issues that I have in my country today, they're like, they all ganged up on me. I'm like, kicked me out of the group. Like, kick me out of the panel. Like, as I feel like I'm in the wrong for saying that. Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

But don't you understand, don't you understand that the dollar is going to last a thousand years because of the war with Iran?

[Andrew Meyer]

I guess. But.

[Jay Dyer]

No, I'm joking. I'm joking. I'm joking.

[Andrew Meyer]

The war in Iran doesn't help me in any way.

[Jay Dyer]

I'm joking. Other people, maybe I don't, but it doesn't.

[Andrew Meyer]

I. I don't benefit from it at all.

[Jay Dyer]

No, of course not. And in fact, war is the health of the state. War is a racket. I was making a joke because that's what Andrew Meyer was arguing. Appreciate your call. America first. Yeah, I totally feel you on that. Space is lit. What's up, dude? Terry says for $10. A few years ago, I went to a Southern Baptist bookstore. They had Christian fiction. Guess what every book was about Amish ladies getting laid. I don't know what. Now almost every book is about the current conflict. That was 2016. It's all propaganda. Yeah, Baptist bookstores and Baptist evangelicals stuff is literally just Israeli propaganda. That's all it is. What's up? Spaces lit. I'm you.

[Andrew Meyer]

Oh, hey. Hello. Wow. So I just want to preface with saying I have like an infantile level of knowledge compared to you, but as a Protestant, I just have some questions about orthodoxy.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay.

[Andrew Meyer]

I guess my first one would be, do we both agree that the Bible is the inspired word of God?

[Jay Dyer]

Sure.

[Andrew Meyer]

So I guess my question after that is like, why isn't that enough?

[Jay Dyer]

Well, the Bible requires an interpreter,

[Andrew Meyer]

but how can we trust men to interpret it?

[Jay Dyer]

Well, do you trust men to write the Bible?

[Andrew Meyer]

I trusted. I trust that it was divinely inspired.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, but didn't men write it?

[Andrew Meyer]

Yes.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay, so you're trusting that men preserved the text and who preserved those texts?

[Andrew Meyer]

This is where my lack of knowledge comes in. Like the forefathers,

[Jay Dyer]

Abraham Lincoln, George Washington. Who are you talking about?

[Andrew Meyer]

The church fathers. I don't know their names, but.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay, well, look, I appreciate your call, but just take a look at the history of the canon. Read F.F. bruce's book, Lee McDonald's book on the formation of the biblical canon, and you'll realize that it didn't drop out of heaven. There was a human beings had to preserve it. And those human beings existed after the apostles. We don't have the apostles writings. So you're already trusting that the first, second, third century church fathers preserve those texts that none of us have actual autograph of. Have you looked at Palm Beach Pete yet? $2. Yes. Rapture West. $5. One for the road. Hit the damn goal, people. Thank you, guys. We're getting close to the goal. If you guys want to support the stream, you can do so through super chats. And we are getting close to the goal. Let's see. Martin, what's up? You were thumbing down my comments.

[Andrew Meyer]

Hello?

[Jay Dyer]

Yep. What's up?

[Andrew Meyer]

Oh, hi. Can we talk about conspiracy theories?

[Jay Dyer]

Sure.

[Andrew Meyer]

Yeah. So I remember when the files first came out, caller wanted to talk about Hitman and how some of the like CIA related stuff gets portrayed in video games.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh yeah.

[Andrew Meyer]

It got me thinking about how some of the stuff relating to alchemy and kabbalism that are sort of seen in the files. It's portrayed in a game called Bloodborne.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, I played a little bit of Bloodborne. I didn't get very far in it, though. But what. You want to expand on that?

[Andrew Meyer]

Yeah. So the premise of the game is that some, like, university students go into this, like, ancient catacomb of this, like, old, ancient civilization, and they find, like, a. A queen that was impregnated by, like, a demiurge, and they, like, abort the baby, and they use the baby's blood in order to conduct rituals to do. To, like, enter into contact with, like, the demiurges that rule over the world.

[Jay Dyer]

Interesting. And that's blood. How many blood burns are there? 1, 2, 3. Is there more than one? Okay, appreciate that. Yeah, they'll have to check into that. A lot of video games, by the way, are full of the, you know, esoteric occult subjects. Resident Evil 4, you're fighting the Illuminati explicitly. They're doing genetic experimentation. My channel or my clips? Channel. Over here. Ester Hollywood archive. Shout out to that guy over there, because this has already had almost 200, 000 views. This video that he made on Hitman showing kind of the connections to Epstein and Ghislaine in the 2016 Hitman. A very popular clip. This got a couple hundred thousand on. On X as well. And I think he just made another clip here about satanic elites in another game. We'll see which one this one is. Mindset ready or not yet before the movie, read or not, Agent 47 faced an elite hunting party in Epstein connections in hitman contracts from 2004. So this dude is a master of all things hitman, and he. Maybe somebody can look into Bloodborne, as our friend pointed out right there. CIA sympathizer. What's up, dude? You want to unmute? Are you there? You want to unmute, dude? All right. He's having a hard time connecting. Langley won't let him connect. Will, what's up, man?

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