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Jay Dyer EXPOSES Hollywoods Hidden Agenda with Dr Drew
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Jay Dyer
There are countless movies made in concert, in concert and consultation with the CIA for many decades. There's a lot of different levels to this. You know, you can look at, for example, Ian Fleming himself. The character of Bond was used as a Cold War symbol and as a form of Cold War propaganda. And so when Fleming was writing his stories, he was basing a lot of the Bond novels on real operations that he had been involved in, like Operation goldeneye, which was an anti Franco, anti fascist operation. You have Operation. And Mincemeat, which he was involved in, which they've made films based that.
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Dr. Drew
So YouTube and X it is at Jay Dyer and Caleb. I don't know if you're gonna throw all three books up there or just the most recent one. I don't know how Jay has time to do comedy. He's been writing so many damn books and doing so much work in his own educational training. Jay, welcome to the program.
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Jay Dyer
Thank you, Dr. Drew. Glad to be here with you.
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Dr. Drew
I. I seriously, I don't know how you have time for comedy with all the writing and all the training you've been doing, but I'm glad you're here doing all of it. Thank you.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, well, you know, that was not something that I really thought I would end up doing, but I think the way that media works now, you kind of do your own thing, and then the more of your personality that comes forth, you just kind of roll with it. And so I ended up kind of falling in line with a lot of the comedian podcasts and doing shows with them and enjoying it quite a bit. And so ended up writing for Sam Hyde the last year for his. For his show. So it's been a roller coaster ride. It's a lot of fun. But I also like doing, you know, the educational stuff. On the other hand as well,
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Dr. Drew
Sam is another bright guy and that is not light lifting. Writing for Sam, I assume. But let's talk about. Sam is a really smart guy. Let's talk about Hollywood and the concerns and observations you have as somebody trained in certain kinds of psychology. So how, how people are manipulated. Well, let's talk about that first. Are you worried about, as I am, I'll turn over my cards. The behavior of crowds. I. I feel like we have been a tendency to mob action that emerges periodically in history. Whether you start with 1790 France or, you know, 1932, Germany. Whatever it is, we're in one again, it feels like. And there's lots of true believers flying around engendering chaos. Is this what's happening? Are you concerned about that?
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Jay Dyer
Yes. You said chaos.
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Dr. Drew
Chaos, poor chaos, you know, don't you
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Jay Dyer
know it's just chaos?
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Dr. Drew
Depends on what you mean, though.
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Jay Dyer
I couldn't help.
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Dr. Drew
I thought you were gonna go. I thought you were gonna go into Maxwell Smart.
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Jay Dyer
I had to go straight Jordan Peterson. The word chaos triggers Peterson in my head. But, you know, like you, actually, I studied the French Revolution pretty in depth as well when I was in undergrad at a professor who was a specialist in that. And you're right, I think to make the parallels between mob psychology, which was really kind of, I guess, a modern thought getting collated, I guess you could say, with socialism and communism and Marxism. But I just covered a book on my channel a few months ago by a. He was an Allied psychologist during the time of World War II. His name is Joost Merloo and he wrote a book about mob psychology many, many decades before. Dr. Malone talked about mass formation, psychosis and this kind of stuff. And he said that he noticed that the socialist movements had really perfected this technique and quite a few chapters in that book that were applicable to Hollywood and the way Hollywood kind of forms attitudes and creates culture. Culture creation is something we talk about a lot on my channel, but also kind of predicting what social media would do. And then when you get this sort of melding of fame, Internet fame, social media, with the idea of Hollywood and influencers kind of being the new A listers and this kind of stuff, it's a Very toxic, dangerous mix. But it's also something that social engineers have studied to perfect in order to kind of control society.
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Dr. Drew
And are you seeing evidence of that kind of premeditated activity from Hollywood?
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, you know, one of the things that I focused on in my grad work and I ended up just kind of putting that work into more of a popular readable book rather than something that was, you know, academic that nobody's ever going to read. You know, this master's thesis or anything like that, it's just going to sit there on a shelf. I thought, why not take this information and kind of make it accessible and readable. And I think everybody's probably familiar with the way Hollywood uses product placement. You know, that's a classic style of getting people to purchase a product because James Bond was associated with it or something like that. But it gets a little more nefarious as you get deeper into subliminals. I think everybody's heard of that kind of stuff. But beyond that, there's also war propaganda. There are countless movies made in concert and consultation with the CIA for many decades. That was something that was done a long time ago. More on the down low. So in the 1940s, even back to the 1920s, Howard Hughes, he would make war propaganda films. The OSS would work with Hollywood to make certain screenplays and films and even a list actors have been famous spies all over the place.
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Dr. Drew
Yeah, Ronald Reagan was in those films.
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Jay Dyer
Exactly, absolutely. Jimmy Stewart was an FBI produced movies. You have people like Julia Child, the famous chef, TV chef. She was actually an OSS operative, which people don't know that before she was a chef. But yeah, well, you know, in the third book actually did a whole chapter just on this because it was so fascinating to see all these people that people didn't know about. Sterling Hayden, he was an operative for the OSS. John Ford made films in concert with the OSS. And then as you get up into the 70s and 80s, same thing going on there, even to the point of, you know, Ben Affleck recently was touting the CIA and how glad he was to have worked with them to make films like Argo. You have films like Zero Dark Thirty all being made openly with the CIA. So what used to be kind of a secretive, you know, behind closed doors things is now kind of in the open.
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Dr. Drew
Sterling Hayden, Sterling Holloway as Winnie the Pooh. Who was Sterling Hayden?
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Jay Dyer
Well, he was one of the A listers back in the 40s. Very, very prominent, kind of, you know, up there with like Humphrey Bogard and Cary Grant. And Cary Grant, by the way, was a spy too. He would. He would spy for.
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Dr. Drew
Hold on. I want to. I want to. I want to push back a little bit and say, you know, because I've been around all this stuff too, for a long time. And whenever somebody's producing anything for media consumption, they just, they. They get kind of captured by what works. They kind of a B test a lot, and then what works. They go and they launch into it and then they build momentum. So it's rarely, in my experience, premeditated. And the same thing with the CIA involvement. They get the CIA in and the FBI in and the military in to tell us how it really happens, to give us the deep. We want this to be authentic. And then they don't understand that with that authenticity comes a bunch of subliminal messages that the CIA makes sure they put into their films. So in a way, they're just useful idiots.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, I mean, I don't want to be overly, you know, simplistic, as if it's all or nothing, as if everyone's part of a grand conspiracy. I certainly don't believe. Believe that. I think there's a lot of different levels to this. But, you know, there's a lot of things on record that have come out, things that were declassified in the National Archives, things like that that I've covered in the third book. But, you know, you can look at, for example, Ian Fleming himself. What I focused on in my grad work was the way that the character of Bond was used as a Cold War symbol and as a form of Cold War propaganda. And so when Fleming was writing his stories, he was basing a lot of the Bond novels on real operations that he had been involved in, like oper, goldeneye, which was an anti Franco, anti fascist operation. You have Operation Mincemeat, which he was involved in, which they've made films based on that. So there's different levels to this, but there's also that level of propaganda which I think most people can kind of connect with. And a lot of times that's the big blockbusters, usually blockbusters have a decent amount of propaganda inserted into them. But. But like you said, you know, it's not every director or every person being, you know, in some. Some kind of agent or something like that. It's. I think it's more sparse than that. But, you know, Edward Bernays said that Hollywood is the greatest engine of propaganda the world has ever seen. And he put that in his, his famous book Propaganda. So they've known this For a long time. And it's just a tool that I think has been utilized often, but it's not, you know, something that always is, is making everybody an agent or something.
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Dr. Drew
No, listen, you look no further than how Covid, you know, how the news media and the various outlets were used during COVID and then, then they marched on into the social media world and tried to manipulate that and now there's, thank God, some pushback. But it's. It all seems like business as usual to me. And they get compliance by various means, paying people off, muscling them, you know, sort of inserting stuff, you know, without their knowledge into it. But be that as it may, the
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Dr. Drew
Chumba Casino I want. I want to ask two things. What are the differences amongst the three books? Why did you need to write three and what am I going to learn from each? And then I want to go back to the Juice, Merloo and the Madness of Crowds. So let's talk about your books first.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah. Thank you. So the first book was something that came about that I didn't expect it to be a book. So I've been writing a lot of essays and, excuse me, treatments of film from a more of a academic perspective. Or if you take a college class, you'll do what's called a close reading, where you kind of read Dostoevsky or somebody like that at different levels and try to decode it and pick out the symbolism and the meaning. And so I sort of started writing movie analyses in the same way way eventually a publisher reached out and said, hey, you should do it. You should do a book with the style of analysis that you do. That turned into the first one, which mainly focused on the big directors. So I focused on Kubrick I focused on Hitchcock, Spielberg, a lot of the big names and their blockbusters and what was good and what was bad. It's not all a critique. It's just sort of an analysis of the way that symbols are used in film to program us both on a conscious and a subconscious level. So it's a lot of different things. There's, you know, Carl Jung style Jungian analysis comes into it at times. Propaganda, the history behind this or that film and relationship to CIA consultation or whatever. So it's a lot of different things. The second film focused thematically on different topics within a bunch of different films. So I talked about the relationship of Hollywood to organized crime. What's real and what's not real between various mob movies and how, you know, we kind of were sold the picture of the villain being the good guy through a lot of mafia movies and how. And so now we kind of look to the, you know, Tony Soprano as the good guy and that kind of stuff. So a lot of inversion when it comes to morals and ethics. And then in the third book, because I had so many people say over the years, hey, you never did this movie, you never did Christopher Nolan movies, you never did Marvel movies. I'm not a huge Marvel fan, but I decided that, well, they're the biggest blockbusters the last 20 years. So if I say that blockbusters are a lot of propaganda, I gu. I should cover them. So first 80 pages is Christopher Nolan and Jungian archetypes and Marvel analysis. I have a really extensive 60 page, 70 page critique of feminism in Hollywood and how there's a sort of a presentation that women are all now supposed to be what men typically are, which I think is kind of intentional, subversive approach to storytelling. And then I get into fun stuff. There's comedic stuff, there's B movies that we cover that I thought were kind of funny. And then I get into relationship between CIA and Hollywood and how Hollywood is presented End times and apocalypse films, which I think is fascinating because Hollywood's kind of dying. It's in its own little apocalypse and then it's turning into this other thing of influencers. And basically gaming is kind of taking over, unfortunately.
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Dr. Drew
Yeah, so light lifting, like decoding Dostoyevsky. So that's. This sounds, sounds monumental. Just trying to read Dostoevsky's and penetrate it is hard enough, so.
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Jay Dyer
Well, it's not that hard because I just thought of an example. It's not as bad as Dustin.
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Dr. Drew
Not that hard.
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Jay Dyer
Well, not as hard as decoding Dusty. That is a challenge.
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Dr. Drew
You're Right, Yeah. But it all sounds very fascinating and worth. I, I mean, a sort of historically significant. I'm glad you're putting it down for the record, because when people do look back at this time, film is one of these things that is, you know, I look at it all as just these technologies that come along and, you know, but before there was stage and then stage lights, and then there were, then there was amplification, and then this celluloid thing comes along, and then this television thing comes along, and then vinyl records, and these are all technologies, they get exploited in massive ways by people that produce content for these things. What I find really interesting is they always tend to go towards. It's, it's sort of performers that kind of use it to, to put their material out far and wide, and then it gets hidden or sort of protected under the sheath of art. It's art. Don't you understand? It's art. But it really, to me just looks like, yeah, there's artists involved, but it's a commercial enterprise taking advantage of a new technology. And then the computer and then the social media, and here we are down the road.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah. I think the artists are kind of like products and they do sell.
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Dr. Drew
What's on my bed, but they hide behind it. Oh, something's under bed. Somebody say something on there? So, so I don't know. I don't see it.
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Jay Dyer
The other, the other guest is asking what's on the bed. It's a dead body back there.
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Dr. Drew
So I guess, yeah, it's, it's. We'll put you on the Travel Channel as some sort of phantom flying around. I can't quite see it. Oh, good. All right. And, and, but I, I really think they, they use art as a, as a veil to do whatever they want to do. It's like you can't, you can't. You know, it's, it's, it's. I'm, I'm creating art. It's creating art. You can't criticize it. It's art. You don't understand. No, they're creating a commercial enterprise. But let me go back to Juice Merloo, because I, I, and I think, I'm sure you're aware there's a, there's a elaborate sort of cartoon online that goes through all of Juice Merlooz's theories.
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Jay Dyer
Right?
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Dr. Drew
You've seen that? Have you seen that?
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Jay Dyer
No, it's very good. Yeah.
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Dr. Drew
Oh, well, there's somebody that did a whole sort of. It's not really Juice Merloo for Dummies but it is sort of that and it has a whole visual attached to it of somebody sort of sketching things out as his theories are present. It's very good. It's very good. I, I recommend it. Just look up, go to YouTube, look up juice Merloo. But it sent me, I guess I was. I already had read Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds. It sent me back to read Le Bon's the Crowd again. And then I got downstream to a book called the True Believer, which I find is one of the most fascinating because we. I think, I think you'll agree with me that these mass formations, or whatever you want to call them, have about 10 or 20% of the crowd that is True Believer. They're really bought into this stuff and they're the ones that propagate some of these things. And this, I think the guy was like a second engineer or something. He was not trained in psychology. He was not trained in anything. He just wrote down his observations of the behavior of crowds and man, I think he just nails the True Believer. Just nails it and nails it and nails it. I recommend it most highly. I've read it like three times now. But what are your thoughts on this, this construct and why is it coming up again? And you know, why didn't. Why did the left grab onto it so hard since the Jacobins? Give me your thoughts.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, I think that it's been perfected from the vantage point of social engineering and steering and controlling the crowd. And this is again what Walter Lippmann wrote about when he talked about public opinion coming out of the Tavistock Institute. He figured out that you could really steer the masses by giving them the impression that, well, if you're not in with the, in group with the high percentage, well, the majority of the public supports the war. You don't want to be seen as an outsider. So they were really figuring this stuff out back in the 1920s and then they perfected that technique with what we have today. And of course, you know, after the KUF, as I call it, from 20 to 20 to 2022, they were using as Harvard, Harvard admitted, Harvard style psychological warfare techniques. The Canadian government admitted they were using psyops to really get everybody on board with the mass formation psychosis. So I think that they've applied these techniques to the way that a listers and celebrities had that type of power decades ago. And now it's the influencer, now it's the social media person that's taking that role on. And I think we've seen A lot of phony, fake social media people that push whatever the establishment wants. Sometimes these people are boosted in the algorithm. So that's where we are now is just the new instantiation of the same tricks and tactics.
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Dr. Drew
What's the antidote? What do we have to do here? I. I feel like raising awareness of it, calling it out, mocking it works almost better than anything. What do we do? Comedy. You're into comedy now? Maybe. Maybe more imitations, more. More impersonations.
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Jay Dyer
Is this Dr. Drew on the love line? Is this probably the best. Probably the best love line on right now? We're gonna make sex Great again, Dr. Drew. You and I together, probably gonna make it great. Probably, yeah. I mean, I think ridicule is a. Is a really powerful tool for mocking these types of things. You know, when you go back to 10 years ago, one of the reasons that they really had to institute a lot of the censorship online was that the left was becoming so sensitive when they were being made fun of that they just had to shut down memes. They had to shut down anything that was perceived as mocking them because it's, quote, hurtful. Of course, again, that's very subjective in terms of what's hurtful in regard to free speech. There's already laws in place for that, so they had to really, I think, clamp down. We saw that as well with the COVID mandates and Dr. Dr. Fauci so constantly getting, you know, critiqued. I am science. I am the science. And then everybody just made fun of Fauci. There was. Remember when they said that he was the sexiest man alive? I mean, it's like, what? Actually, they were putting out a poll saying he's the sexiest man alive. It's like, people just made fun of this. And I think that was a huge, you know, blow to the system. And so that was also why they needed the, you know, Twitter files. Collusion between government and big tech to shut this stuff down, because they know the comedians are the tip of the spear when it comes to moving the Overton window back towards rationality.
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Dr. Drew
Well, they were absent during COVID That was. That was one of the things I kept saying, if you look at my old streams or. I was like, where are the comedians? What happened here? Carola? Never.
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Jay Dyer
The ones I know were making fun.
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Dr. Drew
He never.
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Tyler Reddick
He.
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Dr. Drew
Yeah, I know. Corolla kept saying, you're a bunch of pussies. You're a bunch of sheep. What are you doing? If we stop, do we stop following you? This thing would end tomorrow. And he's been the same ever since and was the same before, trust me. But it's very interesting. And we live in a time where we have to, you know, because persuasion works even when, you know, somebody is hypnotizing you or persuading you or brainwashing you, we have to come up with techniques to kind of, you know, tie ourselves to the mast. We literally have to tie ourselves to the mast, and we have to tie a bunch of people there with us so we are not taken by the siren song. And I agree. I think mockery is one of the antidotes, but we got to come up with a bunch of others.
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Jay Dyer
Absolutely. I mean, I think just presenting, you know, logical refutations and critiques, which is something that we're big on on my channel. You know, we do a lot of debate reviews, do a lot of analysis, and that has a lot of effect. I think it's very powerful with people who haven't lost their mind, who are still rational, who are still sensible. So we really push learning basic logical fallacies to recognize when you're being propagandized, when. When the left is giving you bad arguments.
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Dr. Drew
It's great. If we can just get that 70% in the middle there up, up to speed, it'd be amazing. Well, listen, I appreciate what you're doing. I love talking with you. I no doubt I'll talk to you again at some point. I am immediately subscribing to your YouTube channel because this stuff all fascinates me. That's at J. Dyer. Is there somewhere else I go for that YouTube?
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Jay Dyer
No, that's my YouTube. And then you can find me in the same name everywhere else.
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Dr. Drew
Is it out as a pod also? Not that that really matters anymore.
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Jay Dyer
It is. It's on itunes in terms of podcasts, but if you want to get the book, it's at my website, Jay's analysis.com Great, Jay.
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Dr. Drew
Thank you for joining me. Let's talk to you soon.
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Jay Dyer
Thank you. Absolutely.
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Tyler Reddick
Tyler redick here from 2311 Racing. Game night's fun until someone spends five minutes lining up one shot. Chalk, breathe, rechock. Still aiming. While they figure it out, I fire up Chumba Casino. I can spin anywhere, anytime. And there's always a new social casino game every week. Spins happen way faster than that shot. Play now@chumbacasino.com let's Chumba. Sponsored by Chumba Casino. No purchase necessary. VGW Group voidware prohibited by Law21. Terms and conditions apply.
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