Jay Dyer (2:44)

Yeah, I think we're seeing a breakdown of the norms and the ideas that we've had from the boomer mindset of, you know, the previous generations. And that kind of. They're still in power, so to speak, but the boomers are kind of moving out. But I think that all of that time frame, all that mindset is beginning to break. I think certain things in the mainstream media were sort of key, pivotal issues. I'm gonna sidestep the Big Nine event back in 2001, but more recently, I think 2016 was a huge one because a man was declared to be by the mainstream media the woman of the year. And so I think that forced a lot of people who believed in the establishment, in the system, to. To sort of come to a fork in the road to decide, am I going to believe the system, the establishment, or am I going to realize that it's lying to me? Because if I choose the option that it's lying to me, that means that I may have been lied about to, about everything, right? So I think a lot of people had their minds broken then. I think the, the 2020 KUF Cough event, that that event was a huge psyop that broke the minds, especially of the boomers and others in the left, pretty, pretty hardcore. And then I think the, the push for technocracy, which has been around for a long time, but especially ramping up postco and all that, I think that has further broken a lot of people's minds and forced them to either wake up to more and more truth or go deeper and deeper into delusion and accept deception, or maybe even what Thessalonians calls the strong delusion. I'm not necessarily saying that we're in the end of the world. I don't know. That could be. But regardless, God does send as a chastisement at a time Strong delusions. And I think we're definitely seeing people willingly believing and going into just absolute insanity because they would rather, as you know, John 3 says, go to the light. Right. Darkness prefers to stay out of the light because it doesn't want its deeds to be exposed. So I think they would rather believe lies. And that has led to a winnowing. The population is getting sort of radically polarized between people who have some sense of good and then people are just going more and more into evil. Long story short, I think we're going to see more and more breakdown of things. I think the fiat money will continue to collapse, so the economy will collapse. I think people are going to continue to engage in degenerate, disgusting activities. Try to push that on the population, particularly things like what we've seen in the Epstein files with younger, younger people. They'll probably try to normalize that kind of stuff. I think there'd be more of a push for centralization of technocratic stuff. On my channel. We've covered technocracy from a historical perspective, going back through a lot of the books of the technocrats like H.G. wells and Bern Russell, and the push for that kind of socialist order of the future. So I think, unfortunately, that's where we're going. But I'm not blackpilled. I don't think that it's all bad. There's a lot of great positive things happening at the same time too. A lot of people are turning to orthodox Christianity, which I represent that. I think that's the. The right form of Christianity. And we. There was just one church I noticed in a post today in North Carolina, and they had, just this year they had like 215 new catechumens, which for the Orthodox Church, that's big. So we've seen a lot of people moving in that direction. And obviously it's not just orthodox. The other, you know, churches that at least adhere to publicly conservative traditional ideas, people are turning to that. I'm not talking about tpusa. I'm just people. I'm saying people are searching for, you know, reality and real tradition. And so that's a good sign. So there's good and bad happening. But I think the push is for technocracy for sure.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (6:38)

Yeah, I mean, it's unavoidable to see that. And on the other hand, you also have the false golden age promises of First Thessalonians. So those are kind of both playing out at the same time. Again, I don't know when the end of the world is coming. I actually don't really care, to be honest with you. I'm on the welcoming committee, not the planning committee. And when you look at it from that perspective, I actually think that this time period right now is. They are using that search. I put a post out earlier today with Don Huffines who said, you know, yeah, yeah, I bought Zorro Ranch from Epstein, but, you know, I'm converting it into a Christian retreat center for the youth. Like, who in the world would send their kids to this Christian retreat center that had demonic child molestation and murders happening on its property? Well, they'll see that, right? So there is a couple generations now that are completely starving for some sort of spirituality in their life because they've been brought up in a. In a completely atheistic, dark, communistic environment where there has been the leanings. And I think that leads us into. You represent orthodoxy. I don't. I represent biblical Christianity. I don't think any institutions are greater than the other. I think they all have issues, just like everything else. And I think that you find Christ through Christ, and that is kind of the home of it. And we'll get into that topic if you want to or if you don't want to. It doesn't matter to me. But at the same time, I think that that starvation of spiritual nourishment that people have been looking for is part of this technocracy movement. I really think it's a huge part of it. Why all of a sudden did the fl. And of course, you can go back to Isaiah 45, 7, I control the light in the darkness. Right? Like God controls these things. Things at the end. But when you see these. When you see these movements that are happening right now, where you have an entire generation of kids who, you know, 20 years ago, the last thing you get a kid to do is go to church, regardless of church. And now they're flooding the pews, which is a good thing, right? It's a good thing. I want young people to find spirituality in God, but I want them to read their Bibles. I want them to pray. I don't want them to just sit and listen to pulpits or go through rituals. And that's just my perspective, but it's a good thing. Now, that also provides, you know, a sign of weakness for society where people may be focused too much on that and not on the underlying technocracy that's being embedded. I know you know the history of Palantir as well as anyone. I mean, you're looking at a complete CIA operation that said, hey, listen, we're going to create this spyware. It's going to be great. Go to Congress. Congress says, yeah, I don't think the public would like this, so why don't you just remain a private company? We'll go ahead and funnel taxpayer dollars into in Q Tel. Well, make sure you have those to build it out. And now when people realize, wow, you've had more funding to create a digital prison around us, we'll go ahead and take it public so that we can feed everyone's greed. And they won't acknowledge that this is a bad thing because they're all making money with the stock. Like, these are the real things that are happening right now. Society talks a lot about a lot of things that, like, I don't care about the transgender issue. I mean, it's kind of goes back to the old theory of discernment. Isn't knowing the difference between right and wrong. Everyone can see that it's the difference between right and almost right. And that's really where like the. The confusion occurs. Is that almost right perspective? So in this technocracy movement. You know, I've gone through the. The technate a few times on this show also, but you want to give a brief history of how we got here from. Basically, it was 1933, 1934 is when the movement began. Until today.

Jay Dyer (9:52)

Yeah, there's a. It was a. Older movement. Some of the original thinkers come out of Canada and they, you know, they have loose associations with, I think eps, with Elon's granddad or something like that, perhaps his dad. I forget the exact lineage, but yeah, what we did was to try to go to some of the thinkers that were the formative writers on this subject. So, for example, I think the first time I came across this was many years ago, maybe Patrick woods books.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (10:20)

Yeah.

Jay Dyer (10:21)

And he just did a book with one of our friends, Courtney Turner, on technocracy. But so, yeah, this, this movement was kind of fringe. It wasn't seen as anything substantial. But I would argue even prior to official technocracy, you had another movement that was equally as important that would kind of also synthesize with it. That's the Fabian Socialist in the late 1800s in the UK. And they were, many of them were actually rabid Satanists explicitly. They were into very degenerate forms of art and they understood the power of brutalizing the culture they were pushing for. Well, I won't say what type of art here, but all the way back in Victorian England. So they thought that that would kind of be a. What they call Aesthetic terrorism, a way to brutalize the population through art. And then that brutalization could then move the, the scale of, or the, the over the window of how people viewed the world and society. And they, they intentionally wanted it to be a removal of any notion of Christianity whatsoever in England. And then they also believed in the necessity to bring Islam into the UK as a, as another way to change the demographics and the belief of England. And they were very successful in that strategy. And later on, some of them became more and more specific devotees of technocracy. So when you read 1984, Orwell is actually describing the ideology of the English Fabian socialists, hence Ingsoc English socialism. Socialism. And some of those key thinkers that are touted by the establishment as the most important thinkers of the 19th, 20th century, like Bertrand Russell and H.G. wells, were amazingly open in their books. There's another guy named Lord Birkenhead from the same circles and same societies who wrote a essay in Cosmopolitan back in around 1920, 28. And this is so this is before Brave New World, and this is before a lot of, you know, dystopian literature that we think about from that time period. And he said, save this because in 100 years you'll have test tube babies, you'll have surveillance everywhere, screens will be talking at you. So yeah, it's a famous prophetic essay that he wrote. But long story short, that ideology, it's really creepy too.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (12:36)

It's creepy, yeah.

Jay Dyer (12:37)

That ideology gains, gained traction and you had more and more wealthy, powerful people seeing the importance of techno tech, technology for the future and where society was going to be more structured around AI and tech. In fact, even the 1960s, there's a middle chapter of Quigley's Tragedy and Hope where he talks about the future society will all be run by giant AI supercomputers. So even in the 1960s, they kind of had that figured out, or planned, I guess you could say. And then another book that I covered was Annie Jacobson's Giant History of darpa. And DARPA is where the Internet comes from, is originally called arpa and then arpanet, darpa, Net, etc, and then just Internet. So they created this out of the time of the Cold War when they wanted cryptographic communication that the Soviets couldn't break and then ended up becoming the Internet. But they realized, I think also that this could be a huge. It would revolutionize the future to have the Internet and to have everybody linked in. And they even talked about the global brain back then. So yet even sci fi.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (13:43)

60s.

Jay Dyer (13:44)

Yeah, yeah. And Even before that with Asimov. I can't remember if he was writing the 40s or 50s, but Asimov talks about Global Brain and basically Google type stuff in the foundation series. So I think the elites, Arthur C. Clarke too, they had these ideas about where they wanted to take the future. And H.G. wells is obviously probably the most famous of those because he was writing all that fiction that was propaganda at the same time as writing all these other books called New World Order.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (14:14)

Yep.

Jay Dyer (14:15)

He was a high level freemason. He was a high level committed Marxist socialist. And he wrote another book called Open Conspiracy. And really those two books, if you just wanted like one or two easy reads for understanding the whole New World Order technocracy, you can't beat Open Conspiracy and New World Order by Wells. And he was the mouthpiece for these people. So fast forward to today. You know, as we get up into the 70s, Brzezinski writes a very important book called Between Two Ages in 1971 or 2. And the subtitle is the the Technic Technocrat Technotronic Era. And so he's talking about how we will move into a future totally unlike anything the world's ever seen. We'll have everything from weather modification to genetic modification to Internet of Things satellite integration of everything into one whole sort of beastish system. And that is something that, yeah, that caught, I caught the attention of Henry Kissinger when he read the book and he told David Rockefeller, he said, we need to make a committee just for this guy. Yep. So they created the Trilateral Commission for Brzezinski to run and to get that up to today, lo and behold, as we learned from the Epstein Bannon interview, Epstein at age 30 was put on the steering committee of the Trilateral Commission by the Kissinger circles and to be directly under David Rockefeller. So there's a direct link from that to, to Epstein. And that explains why so much of the Epstein side projects that he was into with the MIT people and with the Zorro Ranch was a lot of, you know, transhumanist ideology. So they believe in transhumanism. Technocracy directly plays into that. You mentioned the trans movement a minute ago. We've been arguing for a long time over on, on my side that trans stuff is really another way to prep people, especially young people, for accepting transhumanism. So, so that's the whole goal here

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (16:12)

that began in the 70s as well. Yep. Yeah, the whole movement has like the word trans or the, the prefix trans has been used multiple times since the 70s. Really wasn't an issue. Wasn't a, a a prefix that people use Then you got into transformers, right? More than meets the eye.

Jay Dyer (16:27)

The little kids. Good point.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (16:29)

You can change from one thing into another car to a robot. And all these little tiny implementations of mind control that have come in. H.G. wells is a significant figure in that. In that measure.

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Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (18:11)

You know, let's tie that into Epstein. I think that you're going on the right path here because the, the technocracy by itself. First of all, I don't think anything stops it. I just don't. I just don't think the world stops the techno. Technocratic rollout. I think it's, it's. 80% of the population has no idea. And of that 80%, 90% of them cheered on. They really want a lazy lifestyle so they'll accept any, any convenience or any comfort in. In lieu of privacy and rights. I Mean, that's just been an obvious play for the last years, but let's tie it into Epstein. The Trilateral Commission. I know you've been going through the files. Some of these files are hard to read. I actually told myself I'm not learning anything new from this. It's just proving things that I've been talking about for eight years.

Jay Dyer (18:53)

Exactly. Yeah.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (18:54)

And that actually concerns me. It's almost an identical match to what we've been saying. The identical nature. There's no chain of custody for these files, by the way. We have no idea who made them, who handled them, whether they're authentic or not. That is an issue that any. Any, you know, diligent. What's the word I'm looking for here? Honorable researcher would note. Is that there's no chain of custody. That's a very important thing when it comes to quote, unquote, evidence. But let's link this into Epstein. So. Technocracy Epstein. The really disturbing stuff here is. Not necessarily. It's all disturbing. I'll be honest. It's all disturbing. But the real disturbing stuff here is, you know, the baby modification, the genetic modifications, the constant thought process behind how do we modify or utilize human beings? I mean, everyone's talking about the use of the word goyim. They've been calling us goyim for thousands of years, guys. It's not like a new thing that just popped up. But, you know, what are some of the files you're seeing right now where you're actually shaking your head? You're probably like, me. I'm looking at the stuff coming out. I'm researching some files, and I'm like, yeah, this is. It's just proving what we've been saying. But that also, to me, gives me hesitation, like, why are these files so identical to the existing conspiracy theories? That never happens. Usually a new twist to it or something deeper. We didn't know. What is your. Where does your head rest with that right now, Jay?

Jay Dyer (20:12)

I think they're legit. I mean, I don't mean that every single thing is legit. I think that there was a lot of opposition to them coming out, which means that they didn't want them to be. To be released. And we were given several, you know, fake releases and binders of stuff that had already come out. And, yeah, I've been on this, the Epstein case, for a little while, back to maybe 2016, 17 was the first time I heard about it. My publisher publishes Whitney Webb's book, which is a really good one, specifically volume two. So I think she did some really good research that's been vindicated. But I read my first book on ritual abuse back in 2004. So it's a subject that I've been aware of and looked at for about 22 years, loosely speaking, specifically ritual abuse and that kind of stuff. So none of that surprised me because a lot of that was confirmed, you know, in the Epstein files. And there's many other cases that have popped up over the years that we've also looked at and read about and just discussed, like Elm Guest House in the UK Sav stuff. You know, there's the Nexium call with the Bronfman. There's, you know, you can sort of go on the Finders case, the Franklin cover up. Like you can just go on and on, on Presidio with Michael Aquino. So, you know, I've known about all that stuff for a long time. McMartin Preschool, Ted Gunderson. All that stuff I think was legit. I remember watching Ted Gunnarson lectures on this stuff back when it was Google Video back in like 2005 or so was kind of an introduction time for that, for this subject matter, which, you know, it's very dark, it's very difficult. So I think, like you said, all of that's really been kind of vindicated. I think his role as an attache, not just for David Rockefeller, but for the Rothchilds has also been vindicated. That was something that was very contentious. I read, I read a lot of stuff on the Rothchilds back in the 2000s. And I remember back then, if you talked about that, people just lose their. They would lose their minds and go off, go after you, go crazy on you. But yeah, specifically what shocks me and what's, what's surprising isn't so much that kind of stuff because like you said, we knew that, we knew that was out there. But what has been. First thing that shocked me was I remember because we've. We followed it like every day this week, multiple hours as stuff kind of dripped out. The first thing that really surprised me was the nature and scope of his operation, which was so international. One of the things that everybody's already forgotten, like the second day there was a list of like 15 heads of states that he had planned to go meet. So he was all over the globe. He's almost like a Bond villain, like at the level of organized crime, Fixer International. And I get the impression, I know I've said this on a lot of interviews, but it really is true that when you read, say Whitney's book, the first several chapters, you get the impression that he's almost like brought into the Maxwell operation and taught how to do crime. It's like he's got like a high, like an advanced degree in crime.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (23:01)

Yeah.

Jay Dyer (23:02)

And he seems mentor better at that than anything else. Like when it comes to him yapping on about philosophy with Bannon, I don't think he really knew what he was talking about. When he yaps about technology and AI. A lot of people who study tech and AI, I'm not in that domain, but they've told me that it's just him sounding, sounding off, trying to sound smart. He doesn't really know that stuff.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (23:24)

But he does spell Palantir. So like we know that Bitcoin with a space.

Jay Dyer (23:29)

You know, he had some hard time with some words there, which is kind of funny. And the grammar in all these emails is terrible too, but horrible as a lot of people have noticed this. Like you would think criminal masterminds would. But I guess you, you. They don't care about spelling. Right. In. In movies they're very eloquent. Right. They do their villain gloat. But anyway, so yeah, that surprised me. The international scope of it, the extent of it, the full spectrum dominance of it. Because he's involved in everything from funding crypto projects to funding ideas in video games like Call of Duty. He's involved in explaining the Vatican Bank's inner workings to Larry Summers, who you would think Larry Summers knows that, but apparently Epstein had to explain that to him. He's involved.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (24:14)

He also lived at the Vatican, according to his assistant.

Jay Dyer (24:17)

Correct. Yes. That's another thing that we've hit on pretty hard that nobody else wants to talk about.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (24:21)

And people forget the Rothschilds are the guardians of the papal treasure also.

Jay Dyer (24:25)

They are the papal bankers. Yes.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (24:26)

Since the 1830 bankers of the Vatican

Jay Dyer (24:29)

first loans were in 1832 and significant loans ever since then. That also explains, by the way, Gladio and the Vatican bank stuff, which is a whole other rabbit trail to go down.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (24:40)

But everyone should read Operation Gladio, by the way.

Jay Dyer (24:42)

Absolutely. It's a great book. And then, you know, Epstein also, one thing that surprised me was that he seems to have had a hand almost in a lot of the big events for the last 20 years. So for example, the, the bailouts in. In Europe, there's those email exchanges where he was saying, hey, we're going to be able to profit immensely. We can go in and buy up everything here in Greece. That's with Orient and de Rothschild. So that's. That's so legit. And then the other one with Zelensky in Ukraine, he's flying over to the Ukraine a month before Zelensky comes to power. And then after that, Zelensk, he's in text messages saying, I need the help of Jeffrey. Get me Jeffrey. I need to consult, need consulting. So that surprised me that it was that kind of like international. A lot of what he says to Bannon is pretty wild about, you know, who's really running things. That it didn't surprise me. It just surprised me that they were that blatant in the way they talked about it. And then we had another email that's already been forgotten was the Somalia land email where he talks to. I forget who, who he's talking to. But he's basically saying, throughout the chaos, throughout the chaos that will cause in Somali, we'll be able to go in and buy it up and renovate it. It'll be a massive, you know, resource treasure house. And that ties in exactly to the way, for example, Hillary back in her emails and when she, when those were leaked and when she was writing about Libya to the Brookings Institute, Epstein said the same thing about Libya and, and Gaddafi's gold. Like, we're gonna go in, pay to play, take the gold and we'll divvy it up to all the people that donate to the Clinton campaign. So it's like a big racket where donate to the Clinton campaign, you'll get a cut when we go in for our foreign interventions into, into Libya. So we saw that with Somalia. That also explains why we would have so many migrants. I mean, one of the reasons why.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (26:34)

Sure.

Jay Dyer (26:34)

So many migrants displaced. Anyway, I'm rambling, but yeah.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (26:38)

Oh, you're not.

Jay Dyer (26:39)

All of those things were like massive, you know, not just vindicators, but, but just showing the scope, industrial scale level stuff, I think was the first thing that surprised me how, how interconnected it was because I remember 2016, when it first, when I first heard of Jeffrey and all this stuff. It was maybe, maybe it was a report about Lolita Express, right. And, oh, there's this plane and they fly really rich people and celebrities around. And, you know, we didn't really have a. Know about the black book yet. Even though I think Nick Bryant, the journalist that I'll be on with, I'll be on with him tomorrow. Like he was the first one.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (27:14)

Say hi to him. I had him on here last week.

Jay Dyer (27:15)

Yeah, he, he was the one at Gawker that put the black book up, like even before all that. So But I didn't know about the black book in 2015 or 16. You know, I'd heard of Epstein, but I didn't know there was this book. Anyway, long story short, yeah, all of that's been vindicated and it just really shows that one of the key ways to understand how the world works, if you really want to get into this dark stuff, is to understand organized crime. Because we did a lot of podcasts and, and deep dives into the history of the Mafia in the last century. Because I think that's a key window to understand that. Because everybody understands the Mafia. They understand, yeah, I've seen the Godfather, right. But they don't think about something like that being international in scale. They think about it like, oh, well, that's the guys in, you know, New York or Brooklyn or whatever. There's no international conspiracy of, you know, elites, right. I'm talking about skeptics and people that still are denying that there's this level of, you know, James Bond, specter, villain stuff. But you can look at the Mafia and say, well, now wait a minute, if it exists, we're lost.

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Jay Dyer (29:20)

a national level. And there's a syndicate throughout the US of organized crime. Why would there not be possibly a syndicate internationally that operates this exact same way? And lo and behold, it's true?

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (29:31)

Well, I always tell people I draw the same conclusions there. I mean, even initiation into the Mafia requires you burning a card of Christ.

Jay Dyer (29:40)

Yeah, yeah.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (29:40)

You keep your mouth shut. Or Merta. And when you look at that, the Italians get all the credit for. The Jewish Mafia is the most powerful Mafia in the world. They were the overlords of the Italian. Every Italian. They structured it.

Jay Dyer (29:50)

Yeah. So my Lucky Luciano went to Meyer Lansky to. To say, hey, how do we structure this in the US and that. That's how it was structured.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (29:58)

Yeah, Yeah. I always ask people, where do you think they learned it from?

Jay Dyer (30:02)

All right.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (30:02)

Like, do you think the Mafia just invented the system? The system is Babylonian nature. It actually goes back thousands of years.

Jay Dyer (30:08)

Right.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (30:09)

You can trace this back to roots that go very, very deep outside the existing borders of any nation today. And it links back into secret society type stuff.

Jay Dyer (30:17)

It does. It does, in fact. And that ties into.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (30:21)

Mafia is a secret society.

Jay Dyer (30:23)

Like Mafia's a secret society. And it's also directly related to intelligence. And there's a great book that I often refer to that we need to just do a deep dive just on this book because it's a really rare historical text. It's a history of intelligence services by Francis Dvornick. And it's going back to. It's a scholarly work, not a conspiracy book. So it's admitting things from a scholarly perspective that in the ancient world, cults and intelligence agencies were joined at the hip. They were the same. And say, if you go back to Egypt, Pharaoh's spies were the priests and the mailman. And it makes sense why mailman would be spies because they're taking, you know, the messages of the king and whatnot. So those were the earliest spies. Of course, obviously, prostitutes were spies as well. Even in the ancient world. Even in the Bible. Right. I mean, you have essentially the spies going in and Rahab colluding with the Jews. Right. To. To be saved in that situation. So even the Bible teaches us these. These basic principles. And I did a talk, I think, last year when my book came out, about espionage in the Bible. And there's. When you get into that, it's fascinating because there's actually a lot of instances that people kind of forget, especially in the Old Testament, of espionage and spycraft, just even in scripture. So, you know, God wouldn't put that there if he didn't want us to at least have some awareness of that.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (31:41)

Right.

Jay Dyer (31:42)

Of going on in the world. But you're absolutely right. In the ancient world, they're abs. They're directly connected. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know about a side of that. That I totally agree.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (31:52)

Yeah. It's almost like, you know, I've been studying this stuff for like a decade now. And when you start getting into the ancient esoteric mystery religion, when you start to understand where Kabbalah comes from, where all these theories come from, they're all Satanic in nature. I mean, they're very Antichrist, but they are the powers of the world. The powers that we see. Right. They're what we see and don't see at the same time. But they all follow the same pattern. And you can look at, you know, the. The connections between them all. You know, Freemasons, Bouleis, Illuminati, Jesuits. The entire system is architected to be interconnected, yet look separate from and apart, as though they're opposing, but they work together on all types of stuff. And Epstein, in my opinion, was the connector between all of these groups. He was the go between or the guy that arranged meetings. Nothing he did was on his behalf. He was serving someone. And everyone will point to Rockefeller or Rothschild. But I don't know that they're actually in charge. I don't. You know, no one knows. But this, this mystery religion, this Babylonian cult nature where they're practicing power on Earth. I think one of the things that I've talked about, and I'm sure that you've read into this as well, you know, probably eight years ago, I really got lost where I swear I found Christmas, but I got really lost in this rabbit hole of trying to figure out why in the world people would hurt these kids. Like, why would you kidnap kids, sexually assault them, murder them, eat them, you know, all this kind of stuff. Super dark. I actually don't advise many people to do it. Especially if you don't have faith. I advise you to stay away from it. But when you start doing this, you start realizing that what they're doing is sacrificing the innocence of a child.

Jay Dyer (33:26)

Yes.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (33:27)

Two demons like that is what they are doing. They are sacrificing the in because only those of childlike faith will enter the gates of heaven. So they're stealing away their innocence for earthly power. And people will equate that to blackmail. And they'll equate it to, you know, having. What's the word that they use? Collateral on each other. But the reality, that's the earthly part of it. The reality is these people actually are far more religious than any of you watching this show. And they believe things in the opposite direction. And they will absolutely give their life for this ancient esoteric mystery religion, which is Satanism. So when you're looking at the stuff with the. How do you tie in the kids? People will always say, well, they're looking for collateral in these people. They want to have a video or at least a know how, a tattletale to use against them. Sure, certainly that's, that's for the, for the, the power. But the spiritual power that these people are trying to harness through this ancient practice, this is nothing new. Jay, you know this better than anybody. Like child trafficking has existed since children were born. Child sacrifice has existed for far beyond the beginning of the Bible. Right. So. Well, not the Garden of Eden, but call it Garden of Eden into Exodus, then you have Ball and, and Moloch and Rem. Fam, Beelzebub, any name you want to give them. These people have been heavily, heavily occult. And people think occult means satanic. It just means hidden. It certainly has satanic ties. But they're hiding this stuff in plain sight. And the craziest part about it for all of you out there is that these people, these Satanists are the best liars on planet earth. The devil knows scripture better than any human being and they serve him. And they will use scripture against people to lead them in the wrong direction. And as this technocratic system rolls out, which is clear and obvious, there's no conspiracy theory behind this when you're putting out almost a trillion, actually $1.2 trillion in data centers and funding for Palantir and Oracle and all these other groups are lost.

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Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (36:23)

This group of people cast spells on the world. They really do, whether it's through film or music or whatever. They've been doing this for a very long time to distract us. And now people are starting to understand it. In this era that we live in right now, where there's two ways to look at it. The truth is being exposed. Justice will be served. We'll see. We'll see. I'm personally not on the bandwagon saying that that's going to happen. I'm on the bandwagon of saying that some people will probably pay a price, but most will walk free on plausible deniability or whatever they want to use because they created the laws in the beginning to scapegoat them. The other side is that there's this great delusion you talked about, the great delusion that's being cast on the Earth from second Thessalonians. Part of that delusion I believe right now is, you know, everything was driven by fear. All of human society has been driven. The ranchers have controlled the cattle through fear for generations. And millennium. The future is comfort, right? That is what a technocracy provides. They will control you through comfort as opposed through fear. So this exposure happens every. You know, the economists call it a fourth turning. You know, the evil people call it a great reset. Other people just call it a reset. These resets have occurred many times throughout history. And every single time, the new one taking power exposed the old. Nothing happened to the old, but they exposed them. So nobody. So, people, I don't want anything to do with this. And I think that Epstein, in my opinion, will be used in this surveillance state model as well. Because they're going to say, well, look, we captured all of this information. We captured all of it on emails, videos stored in computers. We captured it all digitally. So now we're going to need access to everyone's digital information, for which they already have, but we want your permission for it forever so that no child ever gets harmed. And if you deny that, they're going to say, well, you're a pedophile protector. Right. You see the dialectic that's playing out with this to. To use. Yeah.

Jay Dyer (38:15)

They'll probably do that at the same time as trying to normalize.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (38:19)

Sure.

Jay Dyer (38:20)

Yeah, sure.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (38:21)

Well, Nick Fuentes is on, on camera saying he thought Epstein was a cool guy. You have these cool guy Epstein memes going out, right? It's. It's thoroughly disgusting. But what the hell is happening with this. Jay, what, what are you seeing with this? It's confusing.

Jay Dyer (38:34)

Yeah, I think you nailed it there with what they've chosen to go with for the, for the model of this technocracy, which is not the, you know, boot stamping on your face. Like there may be some of that, but it's not the model in general that Orwell talks about. It's the brave new world model, which is about pleasure. And you get the. He said about that book that they're going to control us through drugs and pleasure and sensations. And a lot of people don't know this, but that's a very important novel if you go back and pay attention to it. And we, we recently did a second deep dive 10 years later with my buddy Frank over it, quite frankly. I think it's in his. It's in our members section. I can't remember if it's public or not, but one thing I didn't notice until going back and reviewing that book was that Mustafa Mond, who's the villain character, who's the. One of the world socialist controllers, he's actually a pedophile. And they make that clear at the end of the second chapter where instead of Jesus saying, let the children come unto me, Mustafa Mon says, let them come unto me. And it's in the context of what in the novel they call erotic play. And in that future, that dystopia, everybody has to be erotic with everybody else. Like you have to touch buds. You can't. There's no. It's against the law to not be with anybody who wants you. So it's, it's a. And that might be a little extreme, but the model of that is the future will be a technocracy where you're enslaved by your passions and by pleasure, not by the boot stamping on your face. So I think you're absolutely right there. Huxley was more correct on that point than Orwell was. That's where they're going. They've definitely been selling this whole technocracy on the basis of ease and convenience. Totally right on all those points. And that's. I think they've, you know, actuaried that out. That's the most effective way to get people on board. And they'll sacrifice privacy and rights for that convenience. And they Learned that after 9, 11. Right. People are willing to give all that up for convenience and perceived safety, which is ridiculous because the people behind this are the ones telling you that you're going to be safe. So, yeah, I agree with all that. I Also agree that we saw, for example, in the last year this push, especially in western countries for digital ID to protect the kids. And oh, and now we all see how absurd this is because the establishment proclaiming its desire to protect the kids through digital ID is the establishment protecting the PDFs and involved in those kind of international operations. Now for people to say that this isn't real, well, why are people stepping down? I mean, I've already seen a lot of PMs and, and that's great, they're stepping down, but I mean they're not being brought to justice. Just stepping down from some cushy position to go into some other cushy position is not, is not justice. So I like you, I don't expect that we're going to see mass arrest or some sort of roundup or anything other than probably mid level people, low level people taking the brunt of the, of the, of the heat. That's exactly what we've seen in the past too. Right. You have people like Mark Dutro and the Dutro affair. That famous incident went all the way up to the highest levels. The Belgian government, million people marching the street. The only person that got in trouble was Dutro and maybe one other dude. So yeah, I don't think that. But also I think that people are beginning to doubt the system at a mass level and where exactly that will go, I don't know. But unfortunately people keep getting duped. They're so often duped by. When the establishment senses that people are beginning to move away from its perspective, they will put forward the opposition or the, you know, the control. This we know about controlled opposition and it's unfortunate because people keep falling for it. So, you know, there's no.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (42:26)

Are so easy to see and it is, yeah, wow, they're, they're on ours. No one's on your side. No one at a high level is on your side.

Jay Dyer (42:33)

Yeah, you don't get to certain tiers and remember this was the system that Epstein was, was part of, was they would compromise people at higher and higher levels with darker and darker stuff. I think that's the way it works because to move up you need to, they need more dirt on you then to make sure that you're, you know, fully on board. And again, that's not surprising because criminal gangs operate that way. You know, Ms. 13, for example, they want you to do way more than the Sicilian Mafia did to be part of that gang. So they have expectations of no, you don't just need to, you need to kill women and Children. Not just to kill people, women and children. Right. So it gets darker and darker as you go up. That's something we've highlighted, too, with, I think, a lot of the pop stars and the celebrities. In order to get to those tiers, it seems like they have to engage in more and more degrading practices. And if you think that's crazy. Most people don't think C.S. lewis was crazy. They think he was a great writer, great author. But not many people remember that in the Space trilogy, in the third volume, when the protagonist, who's in a new world order situation, it's a technocracy that they're setting up the aliens or demons in the novel, when he's joining NICE in ice, which is kind of a joke because it's the techno. It's the technocrats who say that they're nice as an organization, but they're creating world government to depopulate everybody. He has to go through this degrading satanic ritual to join nice, and he doesn't understand why he has to do this, but it's precisely because what we're talking about, to make sure that your conscience is seared and that you're willing to serve evil at all costs, and they have the dirt on you, etc. And like you said, it's also demonic, too. It's not just the earthly plane of blackmail. It's also making sure that you're on board with this demonic power. So, yeah, I pretty much agree with everything you said.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (44:25)

Well, I'm trying to get some disagreement, Jay, but I don't want to get there. Yeah, that's what. That's what religion's for, I guess. On the. On the. On the other side of stuff, we have to look at this from a perspective, because the. The I. The. The concept you just gave, where literally it was like one and a half million people were marching in the street back then. Two guys paid the price. I think. I think you're right. There's. There's the main guy. There was another guy, Dutroux, and then

Jay Dyer (44:48)

I think some other, like, procurer dude.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (44:50)

Yeah, but he was just. He was just a middleman.

Jay Dyer (44:52)

They're low.

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Jay Dyer (44:52)

Yeah.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (44:53)

And it was. It was no more than four weeks later. Everyone was like, okay, it's over. Right? Like, that's how humanity works. And right now, the speed of information, the speed of. Of info. Like, I did. I did a talk about 12 years ago about information overload 12 years ago, and back then, the stats were staggering. Like, the average human being who was on the Internet for four to six hours per day was absorbing between 150 and 250,000 words per day. That was 12 years ago, before TikTok, before any of this other stuff.

Jay Dyer (45:24)

Before. Yeah, yeah.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (45:25)

That was when you had to read the Internet. Now with video consumption, this constant barragement into people's brains right now is just scrambling them and I think they're going to accept anything and pleasure and comfort. I agree with that. That is going to be the new twist because everyone, now you have the Expo, everything is being exposed of the past. These cruel overload. They're cruel to you, right? Just like the devil will be. They're cruel to you. Come to me, right? Think of Xerxes in 300 going to the. The guy with the hump on his back and he's like, you're. Leonidas is cruel, but I'm kind, right? As he's sitting there in a orgy of demonic activity, right? It's the same exact setting that society is going through because they're going to say, listen, we don't want these brutal overlords that are doing these things now. We don't even need them. We can have machines do their job. We don't have to worry about human interference in government. We don't have to worry about any, you know, nonsensical issues coming from the government if it's coming from an AI system. But in order for that AI system to work, you're all going to have to comply and that compliance will be done. I have no hesitation that, that 80% of the population will rush to it after they're procured the right way. Because Hegelian dialectic is misunderstood. It's create the problem for the solution, but in the middle you use the reaction of the best way to implement the solution psychologically. And they have so much data coming from the outrage of anything, whether it's tariffs, you know, even the small stuff, right? Whether it's the Academy Awards or whatever it is, they have all this data coming out on human beings that's being processed at light speed. I just, I just don't. I just don't see. I just don't envision how, how we get out of it. Except for a select few, right? There'll be a select few that buck the system because the digital ID that you went through, that's going to happen. Like that's absolutely going to happen. AI is being unrestrained at this point in time. And I am in that space. There are no guardrails. I've talked to people inside almost all of the major AI companies. And I'm like, are there guardrails? Like, nope. The only guardrail is your human creativity and what you can get the AI to do. So eventually there'll be an Eric and Jay Dyer fight video that comes out that will look totally real, like, you and I jumped out of the screen and had a fist fight, you know, and killed each other. And people will think we're both murderers. And then eventually we're going to be begging for justice of who made that video. Right? Or. Or like, imagine any video AI could make. That is one. That is one wrench that they're using. That's one beating you over the head with something to get you to comply. Then you have the other side of Epstein, right? Like, you don't want to be a pedophile. We need full surveillance. We have to surveil all the powerful people, and that includes you as a peon who has nothing to do with us, but you need to be part of it as well. This Hegelian dialectic is like, the ranchers are very smart, the cattle are very dumb, and that, you know, go back to Animal Farm. That's a great example.

Jay Dyer (48:09)

Oh, yeah, yeah. In fact, I totally forgot that because my buddy and I, Tristan, we. We did the Animal Farm last year, actually, and I forgot about that. Well, let me ask you one question there on that comment that you made, because, I mean, I. I've. I've read books, but I'm not involved in the tech sector really, so I don't really get a lot of tech stuff. Like when you say there's no guardrails, and I know you give the example of, you know, a video coming out about a fight or something like that. Like, beyond the. The damaging of the credibility of visual imagery, what exactly in terms of. Because everybody says, oh, AI is going to take the job of a paralegal, A is going to take the. When you. When you speak of like, the, like, how far reaching does no guardrails go? Like, what do you foresee with this in terms of specifically AI in the economy and in society?

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (48:59)

Well, so the. The only. So when I talk about guardrails, I'm talking about guardrails against the detriment of humanity. How can this machinery be used without killing humans? And I don't mean that like, physically. I mean, like, destroying humanity as a whole, which it certainly has the capability to do. The governing boards are not around that. They're around the growth and expansion and the constant learning of AI. So AI began as machine Learning. They taught machines how to learn. Now they're teaching them how to think. Eventually you get into a gentic where they're just semi sentient. They'll never be sentient. They don't have a soul. Like machine does not have a soul. However, I have a good friend of mine. I won't say his name, but he's one of 10 people around the world that are paid a significant amount of money when a new AI system comes out. And his job is to see how fast he can get instructions from AI on how to destroy humanity. So he is one of the 10 people in the world that people pay because they're very good at questioning the AI. And essentially he has yet to find an AI system that with the right coercing won't get there within 30 minutes. You can even go to AI and ask him, like, how would you get away with, you know, how would you destroy America? We have to guard that kind of stuff. But it's not being guarded because profit is the key. So the, the. When AI competition becomes privatized and you have AI competitors working on creating a smarter AI that does more things, they of course start with simple stuff like paralegals will be removed. You do not. You already don't need them. Like, I run a company and we use AI for at least 50% of our contracts for simple contracts. So you don't really need them now. They will be removed. Lawyers will be removed. I think the legal system will be removed. I think that this movie coming out with Chris Pratt in it is foreshadowing of.

Jay Dyer (50:39)

Yeah, I just mentioned that yesterday on our interview.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (50:42)

It's pure foreshadowing. And the one who will be destroyed is the creator, because the creator will be the only one who knows how to unplug it. You see how that works? Like, that's why they went after the guy who created that AI justice system.

Jay Dyer (50:52)

Oh, interesting. Yeah.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (50:54)

And set him. I haven't seen the movie, but I can Pretty, pretty, pretty well.

Jay Dyer (50:57)

Yeah, right.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (50:58)

But guardrails include these things. Guardrails include how do we roll out, like technology. Technology has always been rolled out slowly. Like the LLMs that we're seeing right now. The, the friends of mine who are in the intelligence agencies, years ago when they saw Chat GPT, I called one of them and I said, hey, this is pretty, pretty fantastic. Right? This is a way for anyone to cut out 50, 60 hours of research every 15 minutes. And he said, yeah, no, it's great. He's like, we've had those in the agencies for 30 years. So like you talked about the Internet, rolling, going from DARPA to ARPA into the Internet. That's how these AI systems are being rolled out. Normally they're rolled out in a controlled environment, which I guess you could say AI is fairly controlled from, from an outsider perspective because it looks like it's just doing, you know, hunt and peck search stuff. Helps you think, figure out. But imagine what happens behind what the, what the, what the retail user sees. Because these are advanced systems. These things are probably 30 or 40 years more advanced.

Jay Dyer (51:53)

That might be my next question goes. Yeah, typically we think about, you know, the technology being decades ahead of what hits the public. What do you, what does that actually mean? Because I've got like Ray Kurzweil and I've got people like Jacques Ateli and you know, their projections of what they think tech and AI will be like in a few decades by 2040, 2050. But what's a realistic in your conception idea of what we're lost.

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Jay Dyer (53:18)

A an AI that's 10 or 20 or 30 years ahead. Like what, what is it? What, how can I phrase this? What does it actually do that's better? Or is it just faster? Or is it like. I can't think I'd have phrased the question. I mean in other words, like is there a peak where, where that it can't do anything else? Does that make sense?

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (53:40)

What I'm asking like, well, AI is a bridge, right? So AI is a bridge between theoretical quantum computing. Like when quantum computing comes into play, if it does. Right. Like, we don't know yet.

Jay Dyer (53:50)

It's theoretical.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (53:51)

Yeah, it's theoretical. So we're looking at, you know, basics. Basics behind a quantum computer are pretty simple, normal, you know, digital systems, or your average computer right now can, if there was a piece of cheese and a maze the size of your entire town, Computers right now can release an unlimited amount of mice to find the cheese one at a time. A quantum computer can release every mouse in the world and find the cheese in less than a millisecond because they just drop all the mice in the world. Like, it's kind of an easy way to think of that computing power. AI is a bridge and AI by itself. When you, when you're, when you're building AI with quantum behind it, we don't know what that looks like. I don't know. And I'm by far not an expert, Jay. I'm just, you know, I do off grid energy and bitcoin mining stuff and oil and gas stuff. But I come from the tech space and I have a lot of friends there and I interview a lot of people and I know a lot of people that I talk to.

Jay Dyer (54:38)

Sure.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (54:38)

And what I see right now is AI is really a system being built for robotics. So robotics right now are slaves. Like, that's the best way to think of it. I saw a video 10 minutes before we hopped on of Chinese robotics scaling hills faster than a human soldier could. Squatting, firing, never missing a shot, reloading magazines faster than a human being can do. They're being commanded to do that. However, the ultimate goal is to have them not be commanded. Right. Is to just say, like to create a false being that will follow orders. But more importantly, it'll think on the fly. It'll be able to say, there's a threat over here. I need to readjust to this direction. You know, I had Glenn Ignazio on the show who does AI in the military space. And the stuff that he's telling me that, you know, you have these unmanned F35s that are flying around the world. The good part is there's no one behind the cockpit who's scared to die. So they'll achieve the mission. The bad part is there's no human being behind the cockpit who will stop the mission. So when you have this system being built in place where you have something else thinking for you, that's a danger. The real danger from My point of view is humanity, not AI. Right now you have a pretty big X account and how many times do you put a post out daily and at least 10% of the people type in at Grok. Is this true?

Jay Dyer (55:55)

Yeah.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (55:56)

Like that's the real issue with AI. AI is going to scale. It's going to scale over time. There's enough money flooding into it where they'll figure it out. The real issue is how much of our consciousness are we handing over to machines to tell us the truth that like look at where Google started. Look how Google manipulated search engines to drive a consensus thought or a hive mind. Imagine what happens with AI because AI works totally different. Like an LLM is pretty simple. Whatever you put in the LLM that is going to everyone, you're adding to the profile. So if you are, there's a post out here today, Elon was advocating for people to to upload their medical data into grok. Don't do that. Do not ever think of AI as a stranger who's wearing meta glasses and a recording device. That's what an LLM is. So don't share personal information. That's how they're going to be able to manipulate. But look at the social engineering that'll occur from this. Jay, just think of where we are today with what we can see. From a retail perspective, you have prayer apps, you have, you know, confession apps, you have all these other apps that are connected into a system that's thinking along the hive mind of humanity. So it has all of your deepest concerns. From a prayer perspective, it has all of your likes and dislikes of where you really disengage with humanity and how you disappear or whether you watch sports or comedy or cat videos, it can swirl all that up into an agenda and then disseminate that agenda with no guardrails, especially if it's closed source, not open sourced and fully centralized, which is what most AI is. So you can look at the open sourcing where you can say, okay, this type of query, it's weighted in this direction. And of course the normie mind is going to think right off the bat, well, Democrats will use it to get votes and that's like the least of concern. I don't even know that we'll be voting when a technocracy is in place. Who are you going to vote for? A machine runs.

Jay Dyer (57:46)

Well, I mean part of the purpose according to their propaganda is to actually replace voting.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (57:50)

Well yeah, Trump said vote for me and you'll never vote again. It's coming. So when that Happens now, it's not politicians that are swaying the public. It's a bunch of AI agents and bots that are on a system that are literally taking, sucking in your data, analyzing your data, and can weaponize it against you. At any given time. There are already AI systems that are blackmailing employees for money. There are already AI system people that are. There are now four, maybe five active lawsuits in America of people trying to sue a government to allow them to marry an AI. There is now a bar in New York City that is designed for you and your AI to have dinner. So you bring your laptop and have dinner with your AI. That's the real threat to humanity, is not necessarily the AI itself. It's the giving away of consciousness, which is why I think you're seeing so many people going, maybe, maybe God's real. Like, I always believed in God, and I didn't believe in Jesus for many years until I studied the occult and I realized how much they hate him. They don't care about God. They will. They will absolutely blaspheme God all day long, but they fear the name of Jesus. And I think a lot of people are searching for that. And I think the AI system knows that. I think the AI is smart enough to actually see that. And the overlords, which is why we talked off camera, or technocracy, and I call it a technocratic monarchy. So we're saying the same thing in a different pathway. Because when you look at closed source, like, not open source, where anyone can see, where it's private, and there is a central controller of an AI system, which is what all of them really are, they can masquerade as decentralized all they like, but they are centralized. So when that evil ruler has access to all of your pain points, from the things you most desperately pray about to the things that you, you know, like, you don't need Jeffrey Epstein anymore. You actually don't need. And Epstein Palantir is Epstein on steroids. They have access to everything, whether it's your microphone right now, the. The camera on your phone, whatever it is, they have access to it all. And everyone's constantly wearing a device. And even if there isn't, you can plant one everywhere. I mean, what are we at? You know, 6 million cameras throughout the United States now, Flock cameras, all this other stuff. See it. They can see everything. So you see where I'm going with that, Jay? So I have two concerns, like, the AI itself, I think people are a little blown out of proportion of, like, you know, the Terminator and Yeah, exactly.

Jay Dyer (60:02)

That's what I was thinking. Yeah.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (60:03)

I'm not. I'm not saying AI is going to destroy humanity in a physical sense. I'm saying it's just handing over your consciousness, handing over your free thought into an engine that you have no idea who's producing the results. And I. I catch AI lying four or five times a day.

Jay Dyer (60:18)

Yeah, I've seen a lot of errors. Absolutely.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (60:21)

You see where I'm going with that? You see how that that is? I believe that's biblically part of a great delusion. Like, if you're willing to hand over your consciousness to a machine. And, like, who are these creators of these machines? Elon Musk, Sam Altman, Larry Ellison? These are not people of God. Okay, whatever. Regardless of what they say on tv, because they're going to say on T. They're going. There's going to be a mass celebrity politician movement towards, I believe in God now. Jesus is king. Like, they're going to use this as a tool against, you know, lukewarm churches, which is, you know, this is the Seventh Church of Laodicea, Seventh Church of Revelation. So, you know, I think that's the real danger, Jay. It's not necessarily the technology attacking us. It's us surrendering sovereignty and consciousness to the technology, and that is comfort. So you're controlled through comfort in the future, no longer through physical fear. Does that make sense? Right.

Jay Dyer (61:13)

Yeah. No, I think you're spot on there. That makes a lot more sense from the vantage point of, like, you know, what the real threat is, rather than the sort of the. The Skynet, you know, the drones are going to come blow my house up or something like that.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (61:25)

Yeah, they're not going to have to do that. They're just going to say, like, hey, listen, man, you're. Your stable coin. I mean, cbdc, that. That thing's going to expire next month, you know? Yeah, I already have. I've had, like, three people send me stuff just on my little tiny show of going, hey, here's this letter my HOA sent me. And it said that I need to. I need to take down this tree. And they sent him a drone shot of their house. There's already drones flying over your house.

Jay Dyer (61:47)

Right.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (61:47)

I had another guy on the show the other day. He lives in Mexico, and they now have biometric eye scanners, iris scanners, to get into his neighborhood. Just to walk into his neighborhood.

Jay Dyer (61:56)

Yeah, right.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (61:58)

But that creates convenience because the whole selling point was, well, if I give you a key fob, you might lose it. But you're never going to lose your eyes, right? So just use your eye scan to get into the neighborhood. That way we're keeping you safe.

Jay Dyer (62:09)

Right? Yeah. The biometric stuff is crazy because that was. That was planned a long time ago, too. You had a lot of these, you know, technocratic people writing 100 years ago about how biometrics would be the key to. To controlling people. So how long do you usually go? I'm not trying to be rude, but

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (62:26)

we got a few minutes left. Yeah.

Jay Dyer (62:27)

Yeah. So, yeah, I absolutely think you've been spot on. If you want to have a disagreement podcast, maybe next time we could have a topic to debate or something. I'm always open to debates if you want to do that, but. Totally, yeah. What's. What's on your mind for your last few minutes here?

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (62:43)

Last few minutes. You know, I always start with the big question, where do you think we're going? I think we see that the same way. What are your hopes for the future? Like, how do you know? I know you're a man of God, and that gives me great comfort. By the way, there's nothing in the world that affects me emotionally at all because whatever is happening on planet Earth right now, God ordained, and there's nothing we can do about that. I'm certainly not in the boat of saying that we can change prophecy in any way, but there are things that we can do in our own lives, and I want to give tips for that because you're a very calm guy and people ask me this question all the time. I'm sure you get it. With all the things that you know, how do you remain so calm? And that's what I want to turn over to you.

Jay Dyer (63:22)

Yeah, great question. I mean, again, you know, I think that we're lost.

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Jay Dyer (63:31)

Hi there.

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Jay Dyer (64:27)

It's very important to have your mind in the scriptures consistently. I think, you know, reading the Bible non stop is always a positive. Tried to do that for, for the last several years and that's been a huge impact on my life. And I'm definitely not anti Bible because I, you know, go to Orthodox church. I don't see those things as, as antithetical. I see them as really harmonious. In fact, at the Orthodox church the entire liturgy itself is actually all scripture. It's all scripture come alive. Most of the readings and the songs are just from, you know, the, the psalms, etc, the hymns are all just versions of the text of scripture kind of put to hypnography. So yeah, we're all about that. I mean that's been a, the main pivot and mainstay for me in terms of navigating this stuff because there was, you know, I had a period too, I think maybe 10 years ago where I was always raised, you know, Christian and had a, had a faith. Had a period where I was kind of iffy and doubted for a few years, maybe in my early 30s.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (65:29)

I think we all do. Yeah, I think if you don't, you're not human or, or you have some sort of false faith. Right?

Jay Dyer (65:35)

Like, yeah.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (65:36)

And then, you know, doubting is part of it.

Jay Dyer (65:38)

You go through a phase like that and you kind of gradually start reading scripture again and you kind of, you know, go back to church and you, you, you warm, warm back up to that. You know, that happened to me maybe 10 or 12 years ago. But yeah, prayer, having great relationships with other godly virtuous people. Have a great spiritual father, Father Vladimir Kadenov, we're really close. He's a great man. Got other great apologists that are friends of mine. So I think having those connections that are not just Internet synthetic connections but real people connection is a huge thing. I'm a big believer in, in Bitcoin. I'm a big believer in living outside of big cities. Having a, you know, place out in the country is a good idea. Especially as things get worse and worse. Believe in self defense, self sovereignty, you know, guns, all that kind of stuff. So I think all those things are positives for people that don't want to lose their sanity in this crazy time.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (66:36)

Yeah. So I have to wrap it on this now. I'm a bitcoiner as well. And of course I found it hilarious that in the drop of the Epstein files that the first breaking story was Epstein's involvement in bitcoin. And now of course, is bitcoin. Epstein can't spell bitcoin, but he created bitcoin.

Jay Dyer (66:53)

He created it, yeah.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (66:56)

He's the creator. And the reality is he did donate money to mit. The bitcoin core developers did accept the money. I've talked to a bunch of people who were involved in that scenario. I know exactly what happened. He gave money to people to pay salaries. Didn't influence anything. You can't influence open source. Decentralized.

Jay Dyer (67:15)

I was going to say that. Yeah. I tried to explain that to some people yesterday that, I mean, that'd be like saying, well, DARPA is involved in the Internet. So if you're involved in the Internet, then you work with darpa. I mean, it's just kind of silly.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (67:27)

Right. And the open source nature from that perspective, my mind. So like, I'm pretty, pretty well adept in the system. But when you look at it from that perspective, I thought that was a brilliant first attack because I kind of appreciate the enemy's tactics.

Jay Dyer (67:39)

That was a clever way to go. Yeah.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (67:41)

Is going to get people out of the thing that can save them. Like demonize the thing that actually gets you off of banking. Rails right at the time where they're creating the quote unquote clarity act and the genius act. The thing about the genius act that people aren't tying together is it's a stablecoin.

Jay Dyer (67:55)

It's stable coins.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (67:56)

Stable coins are CBDCs that happen to buy US treasuries. That's the only difference. They have Treasuries backing them. What Epstein was actually funding at MIT was a CBDC research. The money he gave to bitcoin core developers was after the Bitcoin foundation basically went, you know, was going bankrupt. So they needed someone to fill the salary position, which, you know, core has its issues. Okay, we Core has its issues, but the system itself is viewed by millions of people daily. So like, if there's a back door, it would be. And people don't understand that if there's a backdoor, it would have been seen by now.

Jay Dyer (68:30)

I've tried to explain that to several people that, you know, that's the purpose of it being an open source situation is like, there it's not like there's this central network that Epstein helped to code the back doors into like Promis software or something. Like. That's not how this works. It's a totally different. That it's. Again, it's like saying unless you use email, email is a protocol. Right. And I'm sure that there's. There were some nefarious people who helped develop email. Of course. Okay, well, so are we not going to. It's silly to think that. Because there was. It's also a genetic fallacy. Right. Something can be good on its own, apart from a person or persons involved in the origin or the development of it.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (69:11)

Yeah, yeah. Well, in the origin development, we know who the original developers were and we know that a couple of them were crazy, but them being crazy doesn't mean that they weren't writing pure code. Like, code is code.

Jay Dyer (69:22)

Yeah. That's why it's called the genetic fallacy is that it's an error in reasoning and critical thinking to draw that conclusion from that.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (69:29)

Right. But they played on it perfectly. That was the first thing that came out. It started to drop. The first thing I did was buy more, because that's just simply the way it should go.

Jay Dyer (69:36)

Absolutely, absolutely.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (69:37)

I think we see a big rebound in that and I think the world actually, there's a reason institutions who are all corrupt. So by the way, Epstein used JP Morgan Chase, frequently met with Jamie Dimon, knows all these people, but yet you still have your money in jp.

Jay Dyer (69:52)

Exactly.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (69:53)

Right. Right. So, like, the attack was pretty significant there.

Jay Dyer (69:55)

I did.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (69:56)

You know, I try to talk about this a lot. I really don't care to me, like, I'm kind of in a situation where, like, I'm going to do what I. You do what you do. And I wish you all the best. And I think that anything open source and decentralized is going to win in the end for humanity. And AI right now needs to step that up because everything is the exact opposite. I would be more concerned with the people in AI that Epstein met with who are central controllers of a closed source system that you're using daily that can be influenced by human beings a thousand percent. But when you have reviewers and node runners and miners reviewing code literally 24 hours a day, I have no concerns with that. So I'm glad to hear that. I'm glad to hear you on the same page.

Jay Dyer (70:33)

Yeah, it's. It's a great point right there. Like, how come there's not obsession over Epstein and perhaps AI, Because I'm sure he had interest in that, you know, he talks about a little bit in the Bannon interview. But everyone's obsessed with, oh, look, he put money into the Bitcoin Foundation. I was like, okay. But he put money into everything. So.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (70:51)

Right.

Jay Dyer (70:51)

Like, this is very selective choices here.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (70:56)

And more importantly, they were running the RL program at mit, so that was. That was all about developing total tyrannical CBDCs, which have actually been launched in the state of New York. So they did a test with it. There's two other states that launched those, but they. But this is how Hegelian dialectic works, Right?

Jay Dyer (71:11)

Right.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (71:12)

So you have to create the cbdc. Scary. Cbdc. Can't have that. That word right now. Ever. I gave a speech at, ironically, at Rice University in Houston about this topic about three years ago, maybe three and a half years ago. No one knew what a CBDC was in the whole room. By the time I left, they were like, we got to stop these things. And I had no idea what they were going to do. But all they've done is said, well, you guys don't like cbdc, we're going to ban the term cbdc, but we're going to give you stable coins, which are the same thing programmatically.

Jay Dyer (71:38)

Just rebranding. They do that all the time. Just rebrand it.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (71:41)

Yeah, yeah. They're rebranding the United nations as the Board of Peace. Right.

Jay Dyer (71:45)

Yeah. That's.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (71:46)

You know, the only difference is that, you know, unironically right now, the Vatican has declined their membership.

Jay Dyer (71:50)

There's.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (71:51)

But we'll see if the Knights of Malta do, because both of those two have permanent observer status. They aren't members of the un, but they're permanent observer status. That would probably be the path that they take there. But, Jay, this has been a great conversation. Thank you so much for coming on here. I know you're busy running around doing stuff. Hope to have you on here again. And we will have a debate. We'll. Maybe we'll get in. And I don't, you know, religious stuff is for somebody else. I'm not as. Not, not as interest. I care that people meet, follow and love Jesus and try to live as a disciple. I don't care how, what path they get there. There are certainly ones that are worse than the others.

Jay Dyer (72:21)

Well, we don't have to have anybody. I was just saying that. You said we were trying to find something to disagree on.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (72:25)

I said, I don't know if I can with you.

Jay Dyer (72:26)

We'll try to find something.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (72:28)

You're into guns, Bitcoin, freedom Sovereignty. You know, I had a nice little place out here in Texas that was, you know, fairly rural when I moved here. And they've dumped about $4 billion into building cracker barrels and all this stuff. Yeah, as soon as my kids. As soon as my kids graduate high school, I'm heading about 50 to 100 miles north and west. Maybe up in Oklahoma, just live a quiet life. But, you know, you know how that is. You know, that desire, it burns.

Jay Dyer (72:54)

Yeah. Tennessee is great. Florida is great. We split the year between those two. So, yeah, I get.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (72:58)

I've been thinking about Tennessee. I like. One of. One of our operations is about an hour and a half south east. I think of. Of Knoxville and love the area. Love the area. Beautiful rolling mountains, streams everywhere, Good fishing, clean air, good people. And I live in. I live right outside Dallas. So you guys have far less foreigners walking on your streets there than we do.

Jay Dyer (73:19)

Definitely. Definitely. All right, well, thank you, Eric. Appreciate it.

Eric (Host of the Rice Report) (73:22)

Absolutely. God bless you, Jay. Have a good one. God bless everyone out there. Thank you for coming to the Rice report. We'll see you again. Next time

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Jay Dyer (73:35)

Hi there.

Sleep Number Narrator (73:36)

We're looking to get to the campground.

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