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JAY DYER on Look Into It with Eddie Bravo episode 132
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Eddie
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Jay Dyer
Good, man. What's up?
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Eddie
How are you doing? Good, man. I saw your, your video like last week and I wanted to get you on. You had the top 10 most Illuminati movies of all time. And I was fascinated. I was into it. I'm like, damn, I got to get him back on. We need to these movies more in depth. And I got a bunch of movies that I want to talk about. See if you can get any kind Of Illumina. Illuminati angles and propaganda and all that. And you. The one off the top of my head that. That you got into was a 2001 space odyssey. You did a couple Stanley Kubrick movies. And for me, I always thought 2001, the propaganda behind that was just. I think. I think at the highest level, anything that has to do with space, thing that shows balls floating in space, no matter what the plot is, automatically gets green lit.
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Jay Dyer
Automatically faking. Faking gay and green lit.
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Eddie
Totally. Right. I just like any space movie. Like, yeah, it doesn't matter what the plot is. Like, is there spaceships and balls in the background and we're going from planet to planet. Go, go. Just green light that. Right.
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Jay Dyer
Well, Kubrick's film also has giant phallic spaceships, like, entering into space and shooting out little seaman ships. Do you notice that? That's a. That's intentional.
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Eddie
Yeah. You know what's crazy is, you know, nothing's bigger than Amazon, right? Amazon. Just whoever's running Amazon. I know it's Jeff Bezos, but I bet the top 10 people on Amazon, they all go to the parties, right? They all, like, if you're at the top of Amazon, you're at the top of Coca Cola, you're at the top of Time magazine, You're going. You're invited to the parties.
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Jay Dyer
You're. You're at the butt parties. Yes. Oh.
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Eddie
Oh, yeah. Totally. And so have you noticed the logo of Amazon is a dick?
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, it's a dick.
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Eddie
How is that.
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Jay Dyer
Do you remember when he made that spaceship, too? It was shaped like a penis. Everybody were making jokes about it.
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Eddie
Yeah, like, how come no one talks? How do they get away with that? It's supposed to be like, oh, no, it's a smile or something, right?
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Jay Dyer
No, no, a smiling dick. You know what? You know what the ethos is behind that? That's from Jack Parsons. Remember? Because Jack Parsons talked about rockets. He was the student of Crowley. He's the father of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory stuff, right? So he talked about rockets actually being, like, little seamen that we are shooting off into space to impregnate the. The galaxy. That's his. His terminology.
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Eddie
Yeah, yeah. You know, the whole Jack Parsons thing and JPL and.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah.
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Eddie
And I mean, well, that's.
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Jay Dyer
The space program is. Is again. It's, like, actually about sex magic.
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Eddie
Isn't it crazy that, like, Candace Owens is just discovering this and she's talking about it like it's. And everybody thinks she's crazy? Everyone's saying, okay, Candace Owens she's lost her mind. She has some good points about, you know, Trump or whatever, but she's talking about fake moon landings. Okay, she's lost it. She's a kook. Candace owns is a kook. Meanwhile, she's. She's probably smarter than most of them.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, it's like. And she'll say some stuff I think is crazy. I don't think Charlie Kirk was a time traveler. And I don't think there was no, you know, Amazon technology that the CIA stole that quit working in 2012. But the other stuff she talks about is stuff, you know, the people in the conspiracy world have been talking about for a long time. Especially anything to do with, like, sex magic. Because in the Cran View, for example, they think that when you're engaging in these rituals, you're tapping into entities in other dimensions that correspond to, like, constellations or the Sirius constellation. Sirius the dog star. Like, that's what they think you're tapping into. So the whole idea of, like, aliens is directly out of, like, the Crian ethos of contacting higher entities. So that. That's why these move. And a lot of the people in Hollywood are crolian. I don't think Kubrick was a croan because I've talked to Vivian Kubrick a whole bunch. We had a long conversation on the phone the other day, actually. And I was asking her all about this stuff. And she wouldn't say anything about the esoteric stuff per se, but she said that her dad knew about that stuff. He was supposedly agnostic. Didn't really have any perspective on it. I do think he was putting a lot of that symbolism and ideology in the film though, because it's about monkeys becoming man and then man basically beating the robots to become one with the robots. If you read the rest of the Arthur Clark series and then you. Then men become gods through transhumanism. So that's also a bunch of esoteric gibberish.
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Eddie
Yeah. So, you know, there's some movies that people think that and. And they may be correct, but they're put out to show you what they're doing. So there. That they can do it karma free. As long as they tell you what they're doing and you accept it, they can do it. And there's no retaliation of some sort. Like, I. I'm having trouble understanding that. But apparently that's part of, like, black magic. Like, if you. You. Black magic is totally okay. If you tell people you're gonna do it and they accept it, then you could do it. Can you explain a little bit of that.
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Jay Dyer
So first of all, I don't think that everybody who believes in occult views has to accept that, because in the occult world, people can kind of the. The occult perspectives or their systems to be whatever they want. And a lot of the people who do that. For example, again, I don't mean to harp on Crowley all the time, but like, in Crowley's system, you could go up the grades of his oto. And then when you graduate from that, what you learn is to create your own religion. So it's actually a graduate school in creating a cult or a religion. That's why you see L. Ron Hubbard create Scientology. After that, after he goes through that, you see Gerald Gardner. After he goes through Crowley system, he goes and creates modern Wicca. So all modern witchcraft comes out of that. And other people as well. Jack Parsons studied that system and then he tried to create his Babylon working out of the Crowley degrees. So you don't. They don't have to necessarily be committed to some system because they think ultimately when they graduate that they're God. So if you're God, you're not bound by some rule that says you have to tell people what to do. However, I do think there is a tradition, there is an idea amongst some of those people. You know, you could read somebody like Michael Aquino. I've read some of his black magic works. And he thinks that when you gaslight people like that on a large scale, you already kind of mind them. And then they are more susceptible to receiving information and messages later on because you basically. You ever watch that movie? It's a great movie. That movie Gaslight. You ever seen that?
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Eddie
No.
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Jay Dyer
You should watch that. This is an old forties movie by a famous Forties director. His name is George Cukor. And he made that movie about this guy who starts dating this woman who has a bunch of wealth. But the guy's a con artist. And he basically rigs all these scams and cons in this house that he's built to make her think the house was haunted, but it's all just fake. But what he's doing is he's driving her crazy. Like he's stealing her stuff and hiding it and then putting it back so she thinks she's going nuts. So basically, gaslighting at that level where they tell you things ahead of time, I think it just prepares people, it conditions people. It's part of propaganda as well. Just on a. On a propaganda level, not on a coal level, just basic propaganda. If you kind of lead people into this condition with that. But also I think some. Sometimes there's people who do believe in lesser magic that they can sort of, again, just sort of mind people by giving them ahead of time or gaslighting them ahead of time and then later rolling it out. So I think all those things are going on. It kind of depends upon who the director is, how tied into, you know, Hollywood it is.
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Eddie
Yeah. You know, I was at the Universal Horror Halloween nights last year for Halloween. And it's just basically a bunch of gigantic haunted houses where. And they're all the same. It's just like, you know, there's a huge line and the line goes into this haunted house. When you go into these little hallways, people jump out at you and scare you, and then they go back and hide and wait for the next person. And same thing, you just walk through, someone comes out and scares you. And they might have a chainsaw blood all over them. And I was thinking, I'm there with my wife and my son and I'm thinking, man, they really push hard. They really do. Like, what is. Why do they need to push hard? Yeah, you know, I was there for a few hours and I'm like, I have a theory. I have a theory. Because at the highest level, adrenochrome is probably their most. That's like gold to them. Right. If. If it's real, if it's like traumatized young blood, baby blood come coming from a traumatized child and living child, apparently that's supposed to be the most powerful form of like, elixir or like youth serum. Right. That's the theory. Right. Like they're drinking a dream of chrome at the highest level. And what is it? It's baby blood and traumatized baby blood. Because when you traumatize the.
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Jay Dyer
The babies or the child, there's endorphins that are released.
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Eddie
Yeah. Like all this stuff's released. So that could be all. I don't know. But that's what they're saying, you know, that's what the conspiracies. I saw it on YouTube. So if that's true. If that's true, they need the victim to be horrified. And the more horrified they are, the better. The adrenochrome. So it's. I think these, the horror movies and every. Like haunted houses. I think they're to train people what to be scared of. So when they do it and you see all these like, satanic rituals and like, like the satanic rituals look like you see like on TV and stuff. And. And so they teach him to be Scared of certain things. And it's all maybe in these rituals, maybe they don't even believe in this satanic Luciferian rituals. They just do it because they know it's going to scare the out of the victims and it's going to make for better adrenochrome. So I think, I think horror movies, this is my opinion, I don't know. I think horror movies, Haunted house and all that, Halloween. I think it's designed to teach us what to be scared of. Because you've seen those videos of like kids that weren't taught to be scared of snakes. And they're like, there's these kids in India that they weren't taught to be scared of these king cobras and they defang the cobras and they take the poison out. But then there's these videos of like kids just playing with snakes and they're not even scared of them. So they're not, they weren't taught to be scared of them. You know what I'm saying? So my theory is horror movies, they push them so hard because they're teaching us what to be scared of.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, I think there's a lot of things going on there. I think at the level of social engineering and control, they are pushing that because the society itself is becoming more and more demonic at the same time as the elites are pushing more and more demonic, degenerate. So it's a symbiotic circle of there. It's like a. It's a snake of eating its own. Right. Like a ouroboros. That's what's going on with the elites in society. And it's like degrading society. So people are looking for more and more extreme versions of things or thrills to feel anything because we're getting so degenerate. But also, when I wrote the first book, I remember researching Sir Hollywood Part 1. I was researching Hitchcock and some of those films when they were new. Right. Because nobody had seen slasher films before Psycho came out. Right. And that shocked everybody because that was like people never seen anything like that. And you watch it now and it's like it doesn't even show anything. It just shows a. It just shows a knife and then it cuts the blood. You know what I mean?
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Eddie
Yeah.
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Jay Dyer
So it's not, it's tame, but like it shocked the audiences back at the time and they were studying that and the effects that it had on people. And I mean, this has been, this has been like scientifically studied to the nth degree that seeing a lot of these kind of traumatic events, which if you go back like two, 300 years, right, you might have seen one traumatic event in your life. Maybe you went to war or something like that. But to see, even if it's simulated or synthetic, like hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of versions of this, it affects the psyche and the body. It's a psychosomatic effect. And a lot of times it makes people catatonic. So it puts you in more of a suggestible. You don't become reactionary and angry necessarily. You become more and more passive and catatonic, at least for a time period. Right. So I think that that trauma that they push constantly, and I'm not saying it's a big deal, I watch horror movies. I don't think it's a big deal. But if you're not careful about it, if, if it, the way it affects a lot of people, especially if you're young, right, it can be traumatic, but that can be used to make the society more and more pliable. That's my theory about like why they push, you know, more and more extreme forms of trauma. But also people don't, like, movies also suck pretty bad for the most part nowadays. So the people are. Are, I think, drifting towards horror because on the one hand a lot of horror mov cheap to make. But also horror films at least still give some kind of a feel, right? You still get involved in the process and feel something, namely just jump scares or whatever. Because other movies and things that we see now, they're so fake and sort of plastic. Might even be just all AI who knows if they're. I mean, AI has probably been writing movies for a while now. So I think people are wanting to feel stuff. So they're drifting towards like a very sensationalist type of film, like horror movies. That's, that's my theory though. But on an occult level, I think you're right. Like they, when they did the MK Ultra studies, they realized that whatever you could do to an individual, you could and traumatize them and study all that mind control, like you could expand that to a microcosm level and do it on the mass psyche. So if you can damage the individual psyche through these types of trauma, if you project that on a mass scale through mass media, you can damage the collective consciousness as well. So I think that's how they view it.
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Eddie
Yeah, and it's not like you need it to work on 100 of the people, right? Because there's like, like rap, like gangster rap. There's people say like, why should they censor Gangster rap, I love gangster rap. I'm not out there shooting people up. I'm not doing drive bys. Like, it doesn't have to work on everybody as long as, like, if it works on like if gangster rap is, and today's gangster rap is like harder than ever. Every rap video, they got mad cash, they got guns, diamonds. Every rapper got to have at least one music video shot in a jewelry store, you know what I mean? And there's, or another one is going to be like at a, you know, where they bag up the coke and everyone's naked because they got to be naked. There's like, everyone got a video like that. There's got to, there's got to be mad cash, like stacks of cash in every video. They got a cash everywhere. I'll fake cash. But it's, it's, it definitely influences some people and I think that's enough. If it like, especially like you said, younger people, if you see all the guns and the cash and the women and the drugs and the drug dealing and, and then the, the song's good too and you could dance to it. It's not gonna make everybody, it's not going to turn everybody into a criminal, but it could definitely turn 20, 25% of young kids into, into criminals eventually. And I think that's, that's all they're aiming for. They know it's not going to work on everybody. It's just like when you go to a hypnotist show, they know everybody can be hypnotized. So before the show, the hypnotist goes out and he goes out in the studio audience and he's testing everybody, he's figuring out tricks and they're looking for the people that are easily hypnotizable. I would say 20 to 30% of people are hypnotizable and the rest aren't. I'm not, but I don't need to be. All they need is a 30% and it's successful and that's a win, win, win. They're not trying to get everybody, they're just trying to get like a nice percentage and that's all that's needed to be considered useful for them.
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Jay Dyer
Well, think about video games is a great example what you're saying. And I mean to transition out of movies. But the Pentagon helped develop first person shooters on record because they wanted to figure out ways to train dudes to just immediately shoot without thinking morally, like, should I shoot this dot? You know, they had, people had a lot of reticence when it came to shooting people and even going all the way back to the education system, like when the, when the Prussians were trying to develop the perfect soldier, they really did a lot of early research and how to perfectly condition a soldier to not have any second thoughts about shooting and to just do it like a reflex. That became the model. The Prussian system of soldiers became the model for the American education system on record. And that same model is the idea behind why they wanted to train people through video games and first person shooters to have absolutely no, no moral qualms. You just follow the orders, dude. So that's why of course they like AI and drones because they're not going to, you know, obviously they'll do whatever they're programmed to do, but they were originally trying to program humans to do that. So I think you're absolutely right that what movies do in many ways is try to foist all kinds of propaganda. And they don't, they don't have to get the majority of the population. Like you said, like good, good effective propaganda if it reaches a sizable percentage of the population is, is successful or significant. Especially for example, they're trying to create crazies or they're trying to create people that will go out and pop off. Like you only need a small portion of the population mind controlled or like you said, susceptible to that. So yeah, I think that definitely goes on. And all those MK Ultra techniques that actually comes out of studying like shamans and brujas and brujos and how they were able to use entheogens and various drugs to mind control people in the cult. And when the CIA studied all that stuff and the shrooms and all that through Gordon Lawson, they were trying to look at how shamans were able to control populations.
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Eddie
Damn. Damn. You know, and then there's, then there's movies like, like the New World Order needs people in cities. They, they, they don't. The people that are self sustaining, living on their own and farm. That's not good for, that's not good. Illuminati don't like that. So they want what I, I think there's movies that keep people in cities or drive people to the cities. If you absolutely like you look at like, like, like the movie Deliverance, right? Deliverance is some city folk they go out to, they go river rafting in the woods and then they get butt
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Jay Dyer
by everybody's inbred, right?
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Eddie
They're all the guy playing the banjo. Totally. They're gonna you in the ass if they catch you. You're Gonna squeeze like a pig and you' Back to the city. Like the city is. Yeah, it's the safe haven. Same thing with like Friday the 13th, you know, they're out in the woods, there's all these kids, they're all. You're trying to have fun in the woods. But what you really want to do is give back to the city.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah. Because this kid is going to chop you up, right?
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Eddie
Yeah. Yeah. And you know, you, you, you want to find the cops. Oh my God, the cops. We need, yes, we need to go back to the city and, and find the police. And then when you find the police, you find it out there and on it too.
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Jay Dyer
Like they're in on it.
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Eddie
That's the think.
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Jay Dyer
Dude, I was just watching. This is so many horror movies, right? Like if you think about what was that one I was just watching? The Strangers, right? The whole, the last, this new horror trilogy, the Strangers. That whole theme is we out, we're out in the middle of middle America, Bible belt. And these people just end up there from the city. And what do you know? The whole city is a bunch of psycho inbreds that are trying to murder people, Right? Yeah. Same plot with Texas Chainsaw Massacre. If you go out in the country of Texas, a bunch of inbred chainsaw cannibals are going to eat. Like every horror movie in the last 30 years has that theme. But also TV shows, people forget that. Like when you watch and I like X Files just because it's a fun TV show. I don't, I don't believe in a lot of the propaganda in it, but if you watch X Files, every time Mulder and Scully go to a small town, the local police are idiots. Only the feds are sophisticated and intelligent. Every local cop, every local person, every local official, all the, all just. But only the feds are the most sophisticated, right? And they know philosophy and they know ethics and they. But everybody in the, in the city is that way and everybody in the, in the countryside is, is that's on purpose. Absolutely. I mean, I don't think every time they. It's in a plot, it's on purpose. But I'm saying like overall this, this propaganda is everywhere. Just like now you see like 13 year old chicks, right? They're the heroes of every movie. They can whip everybody's ass. It's just preposterous. But, but that's by design to invert everything. So mostly what you see in films is propaganda not just for like the state or for the CIA. There's a Lot of that. But also propaganda in terms of gender and confusing gender, making you think that all the dudes are a bunch of pussies and every chick is like some badass martial arts expert. But all the dudes are a bunch of like all that's on purpose. And it actually began if you go back in the 2000s, there was actually a lot of commercials that started with that. You would see commercials for products and the wife runs the house and she knows everything and the, the in sitcoms. Remember this? Like Home Improvement, right? Like the dudes are idiots, the moms are running everything. Al Bundy, like that's been going on for a long time and now it's just. Now it's not even adults. It's like the kids are like the geniuses and run everything like Goonies, right? All the adults in the 80s movies are retards. But all the little teenagers know everything that's going on. Right. It's silly, but
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Eddie
Home Alone.
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Jay Dyer
Exactly. Right.
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Eddie
Those criminals, that's a great example.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, I forgot about that. But yeah, I mean all of its inversion. But yeah, I forgot about the city. Did you have a specific movie other than lyrics you were thinking of? Because there's so many like that where they're trying to tell you to get to the city and the city.
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Eddie
Well, one off the top of my head and I know this is real because the Illuminati, they don't want self sustaining people in the world. They can't control them. They want everybody in a city where they control the food, they control the energy.
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Jay Dyer
Yes.
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Eddie
Nobody's growing their own.
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Jay Dyer
Exactly, dude.
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Eddie
They want you in total control and dependent on them. So obviously they don't want people out in the ocean either, you know. So I think Jaws, Jaws is designed out of the goddamn ocean. It worked on me. Me. It worked on me because like I'm not. I will never deep sea dive ever. I never deep sea diving. There's no way the second I jump into the ocean off some boat, I'm already thinking a shark's guy is gonna attack me. And it was Jaws. Jaws did that and, and it did that to a lot of people.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, I remember reading about that. There was studies done after Jaws that like people's attending the beach and swimming, like it went down like drastically, percentage wise, like the summer the Jaws came out because everybody just assumed that like, like that's the power of what, what movies used to have. I don't think they have as much power anymore. But yeah, nobody. That's the power they had back Then
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Eddie
the movie theaters around here, they're being rented out for, like, lectures and seminars.
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Jay Dyer
Exactly. Yeah.
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Eddie
It's crazy.
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Jay Dyer
They're not making, like, Covert did a huge number on movie theaters. Like, they just collapsed after Covid, so. And they were some of the biggest supporters of all the COVID stuff. So, I mean, they ruined their own industry. But. But yeah, I mean, that's. That's a. That's a good point about the oceans. And I mean, think back though, to like, the 80s and the 90s, right? They started putting Arab terrorists into the movies. First one I can think of is the Libyan terrorist in Back to the Future, Right? Because they show up, they start shooting everybody who'd even heard of Libyan terrorists in the 1980s. When back to the Future came out, then you had True Lies. And in the plot of True Lies is one of the first movies, big blockbusters, to have Arab terrorists as the. That was way before 9, 11 too, right? So you had these films coming out kind of preparing for the war on terror. I think the. Joel. James Bond franchise does that too, because in the. In the Cold War, you didn't typically think about it as terror. You thought about it like other Soviets. And there's, you know, there's Marxist spies everywhere because of the movies and James Bond. And then in James Bond, it transitions in the fiction into an international terror organization called spectre. Inspector, in James Bond stories replaces smers, which was Soviet counterintelligence. So it's. And that was real. It was called SMERSH by the. By Stalin. And then it becomes Specter in the stories. And then SPECTER is an international terrorist organization. So Ian Fleming was writing about that decades before there was a war on terror. And then we have Netanyahu and a bunch of people meeting in the early 80s at this meeting. It's a very famous. I think Brzezinski was at this big meeting and they were preparing everybody for the coming war on terror. And then you see Hollywood begin to push these plots and these. These narratives of a coming war on terror. And then into the 90s, it's just explodes, Right. The closer that we get up to the big nine event, there's all these films. And I'm not pro Islam at all. I've been studying Islam for about eight years. And I can say as a person very critical of Islam, that I still think that, you know, that was all prepped for. Through propaganda.
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Eddie
Yeah, it seems. I mean, I don't know, but it seems like Al Qaeda, the Taliban and all these terrorist groups, isis, and they were Funded and trained by U. S. Intelligence and other countries intelligence too. So like, what the is that? And then now, recently, last week, I'm sure you heard about this. They busted some NGO that was funding KKK groups.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, splc. Yeah.
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Eddie
Like, I swear to God you could find it on a podcast. I've done before, I've said it many times. I go, I wouldn't be, I don't know, I have no evidence. But I wouldn't be surprised if KKK is being funded by the CIA. Wouldn't be. That wouldn't shock me at all because it, it promotes the whole. They need racism. I mean, it's pretty obvious that deep state Illuminati or whatever you want to call it, they promote racism. They want that divide. They want black people to hate white people and white people hate black people. They want. So they, it's like, it's like a hoax. It's like, like they're pushing it. They want it. You know, obviously there are racist white people, there are racist black people, but to, to gather them and to promote them and to build them and pay them to do racist things. Come on.
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Jay Dyer
Right?
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Eddie
Come on.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah.
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Eddie
I mean, I wouldn't. This, the other day, my school's downtown la, and there was like this nice car parked down the street and some guys were coming out of it with hoodies and everything. And then they were tagging the walls and I'm like, I'm like, you know what? Damn, I bet there's a, there's that, there's a budget for graffiti in, in a city like probably, it's probably like, you know, $10 million a year or whatever to, to pay for anti graffiti stuff, like to paint over graffiti. There's got a budget for it. So I wouldn't doubt. Just like the homeless, they need homeless to keep the money coming in. They can't eradicate homelessness because then they wouldn't, the money wouldn't be coming in. So I, I thought like, like I bet they're paying graffiti artists to go out and spray paint and ruin. To keep the money coming in.
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Jay Dyer
That's a. Yeah, I never even thought about that with graffiti. But that's actually a really perceptive point. And once you realize over the years, and I know you've been knowing this for decades too, like you start to see over and over and over all this, all of these problems are usually connected to the establishment in some way. Yeah, as if the establishment, the establishment gives a perspective that they want to fix all the problems. But the establishment's existence is predicated on there being all these problems. So they foster the problem. The great example of this, if you remember, is RoboCop. The plot of RoboCop is awesome. If you remember. You got to go back and watch if you haven't seen a while because
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Eddie
it's been 20 years.
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Jay Dyer
Oh, you got to watch it. So basically I'm gonna spoil it, but go ahead. They are creating this corporation, owns the cops and they're creating these robot cops and AI cops, right? To to run everything for the. On the police side. And at the same time the corporation is running the gangs and the drugs and the cops. So they want the corruption to justify all the corporate funding and that that they give because it's a future corporate police state that they get from all the crime. And they need both. They need the dialectic of all the of the police state, AI cops and they need at the same time all the criminals in a ongoing, never ending war. Just like the war on terror. Remember they said it was infinite, it will never end. John McCain said that the war on terror is a never ending war because you can never stop terror. So infinite war and perpetual war is the health of the deep state. It's the life of the deep state. That's why we can never stop doing these wars. Once you get. And even people outside of the conspiracy world, even people just in economics, right? People that were critiquing Keynesian economics, they figured out that the whole economic system of the last century and even now Keynesianism is based on perpetual war because war is the health of the state. So you have to have perpetual conflict, perpetual, as you said, domestic terrorist, racist. It has to be funded. And we said right after Charlottesville, we did a podcast in 2017, right after that happened. And everybody on the like, this is obviously a controlled funded Fed thing, right? We all kind of knew that. We sensed that. And everybody, because I've been listening to Alex since 2003. Alex was talking about fake Fed racist groups back in 2003. That's when I first heard him. He probably talked about it before that because people started noticing this with OKC, because people forget that Timothy McVeigh, whatever you think about him, whether he was patsy, I think it's probably a patsy. But he was part of that fake Christian identity group called Elohim City, which was a bunch of feds running a honey trap that was behind the OKC event. And Christian identity doesn't mean you identify as a Christian. It's a cult that believes that white people are the lost tribes and that Other races of people are the product of Satan having sex with Eve. So the irony is that that's kind of like a talmudic. It's like a kabbalistic idea that sex with Eve produced certain races of people. But these Christian identity idiots who believe the serpent seed theory, they're actually believing, like Zohar Kabbalistic mythology. So point being is like always these. These groups are always especially. They're really radical. I put it this way. I had John Kiriakou, the whistleblower from the CIA on. We did a long podcast the other day, and I basically just went through all of my conspiracy theories and I was like, do you think this was true? What about this one? What about this one? What about this one? Pretty much everything I brought up, he agreed.
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Eddie
I saw a bit of that and I've seen him on other podcasts. He was on, like Tucker Carlson too, as well.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah.
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Eddie
How is he allowed to be alive? I mean, once you're CIA. Like. Like.
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Jay Dyer
Well, in his case, I mean, he was a. He was a famous case where Obama put him in prison. So, I mean, unless one believes that all that was fake, I don't think that was fake. I think he really did go to prison.
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Eddie
How long?
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Jay Dyer
I forget the exact. I mean, it was. I think it was there for a year or two. But. But I mean, it's like you. Like you mentioned last time we did a podcast, Stockwell, you mentioned history. I went bought. I bought the book and did a whole podcast on it after you mentioned it.
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Eddie
Is he still alive?
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Jay Dyer
Is he still alive?
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Eddie
Yeah, John Stockwell, because he was the main guy I would listen to. But this was back before, right? Like, this was early YouTube days. Yeah.
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Jay Dyer
I bought that book and. And I thought it was really cool. I. Because I didn't know much about the CIA operations in Africa. So you recommended that. And I went and read it to the podcast. I'm just saying, like, I don't really see. One thing I would say about whistleblowers is like a good indicator whether or not they're authentic or not is if you let them. If you listen to them and watch them over time, if they consist consistently say the same types of messages and don't steer off into something crazy, then I think they're probably authentic. Because if somebody's a fake whistleblower, which are. There are some of those. What they'll do is they'll come out with a bunch of true stuff and then they'll start steering it into the More and more. Just John Lear.
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Eddie
Do you remember him?
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Jay Dyer
Yeah. And then Robert David Steele, that was the dude that went on Alex, and he had all this information about PDF and networks of Satanists and all that. And then he started saying that, oh, we're. We're farming out all the children on Mars on slave colonies. And it was a huge. Yeah, it was all in the news because he went on Alex to say that. So that's an example, I think, of like fake whistleblower. But I mean, Kuryaku's always had a pretty consistent.
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Eddie
Damn, I thought Robert David Steele was legit.
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Jay Dyer
No, look up his Mars Babies stuff.
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Eddie
Oh, no. God damn it. I was really into that dude. I thought he was the truth. He said a lot of.
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Jay Dyer
Well, I think Kiriaku is credible. I don't think that guy's credible. That's my assessment. But damn. I mean, I could. Look, I'm not exactly sure how long he was in jail. That's. It was at least, I think I heard a year or two. Anyway. Point being is, like, when I asked him his assessment of controlled opposition, you know, fake terror groups, all that, he was pretty much just like, yeah, absolutely, man.
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Eddie
You know, and do you think that, like the. The big movie companies, you know, like Works or New Line Cinema, like all the big ones or whatever, do you think they. Because you always hear about script writers, they sell their script to a movie company and then by the time the movie come, comes out, they totally switch the script. They change it so much and they're like, not happy with it. You hear that all the time. Do you think, like, you know, the. The Illuminati, the Deep state, whoever they are, the people at the top running. Running cinema. Do you think, like I say, probably, it's probably easier for them to take a legit script written by someone who is considered legit writer, who writes all day, take their script, look at it and see how they could propagandize it and then they buy it based on that?
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Jay Dyer
Yes.
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Eddie
Like, oh, we'll do the. Oh, no, this is a good script. They did all the work for him. Right. And instead of like coming up with a. A story from scratch, which they probably do sometimes, but most of the time it'd be easier for them to just let these legit script writers write a script and then they look at the script and, And. And they buy them based on how easily they are to propagandize. Do you think it works like that?
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Jay Dyer
Absolutely. At least that's part of it. And as far as I can recall, nobody even knew about this whole idea of a connection between CIA or Pentagon and Hollywood or State Department in Hollywood until 2003, as far as I'm aware. Because I was studying this not as a conspiracy theorist. I was studying this in grad school, right. So I heard conspiracy stuff, but I wasn't. When I was in grad school, I wanted to see, like, okay, here's all these theories about movies and intelligence. Can we actually back this up? And in 2003. I wasn't reading this book in 2003, but I'm saying this. The first book that I'm aware of in academia was a book called Operation Hollywood. I think the guy's named Donald Bain. So note, remember, this is in academic publishing. This is not conspiracy world stuff. So they put out a book called Operation Hollywood because people started noticing amongst academics, probably just a bunch of mainline letters as people. They started noticing right after 911 that there was this really close alliance and connection between the Pentagon, State Department, CIA and Hollywood and what was coming out in terms of scripts. So that whole book is a review of like, Tom Clancy movies. Jack Ryan, right. Movies like Top Gun, you know, that kind of.
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Eddie
Huh. Black Hawk Down.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah. Well, that book came out before Black Hawk Down, I think. Or was that Late Night? I can't remember when Blackhawk down came out. But that book was published in 2003. So basically it was just looking at movies prior to 2003.
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Eddie
Yeah.
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Jay Dyer
And it was basically saying. And showing all the areas where Pentagon, army, FBI, like all of these agencies would critique. They would change the scripts, Right? So basically, a lot of times they would say, we want you to present the Navy in a more positive way. We want you to put, you know, recruitment propaganda in the film. We want you to change this person's dialogue. Few Good Men. I know that wasn't in there. Remember that? Like, I want the truth. You can't handle the truth. Remember that? Kind of. Yeah, that's all was propaganda stuff that was tweaked and that was just looking at that stuff at a very basic level. And then there. This was funny because remember that movie, the Recruit with Colin Farrell and didn't see it. You should watch it because it's Al Pacino and Colin Farrell and it's one of the first post 911 movies where they openly admitted that the CIA was consulting on the making of the movie and that it was partly propaganda. And what's funny about that movie is that that Al Pacino is the CIA handler to Colin Farrell when he's recruited into the CIA. And Al Pacino's corrupt, so his Handler is evil, and he ends up getting exposed as, like, this criminal. But even before that, right, if you watch movie, the movie Three Days of the Condor, in that movie, Robert Redford, his handler, is corrupt in the CIA as well. So it's like there were these little inklings that the CIA was a corrupt organization in the movies that the CIA even had a role in making. And what they admitted in that 2003 Recruit movie. If you watch the DVD extras, I remember watching that when I watched, because I bought the DVD and I was watching that a long time ago, and they. They interview the CIA consultant from the CIA to Hollywood on that movie. And they're like, yeah, this is one of the first openly made CIA movies. Now, the CIA had been secretly working with Hollywood for many years, all the way back to the Cold War, all the way back to the OSS to get people involved in World War II. But now it was open, and so Chase, Brandon, Milt Bearden, they came out and then people figured out, oh, wait a minute, that movie wagged the dog. Like, the Robert De Niro character is actually based on Chase, Brandon Mill Bearden. Have you ever seen Wag the Dog?
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Eddie
That's the one where it's. They're just filming fake war footage. It's like 25.
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Jay Dyer
They are. But the movie is about Robert De Niro comes as the CIA guy.
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Eddie
I gotta watch that again.
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Jay Dyer
Telling the Hollywood people how to make the movie. And then when Dustin Hoffman, who's the director, he's like the, like a movie director type of dude, when he ends up not making the movie they want, they just assassinate him. It's a crazy movie, but it's very revelatory. In fact, I put that one in the first book. So long story short. Yeah, I think this is like. That's a great window into how there's the. There's a. An elite structure of people at the Pentagon and in Hollywood, and they absolutely work together. And they have for a long time, all the way back to World War II, man. For this third book that I wrote on Hollywood, I went back and got into, like, archives that they declassified and, like, tons of those old era, like, noir, 1940s people, they were making propaganda and they were using the. The Hollywood people as spies. Even back then, a bunch of those people were working for the OSS and the CIA.
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Eddie
It's like. It's like Team America.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, it is. Except Team America is way more accurate as satire than you think. Right. But it's not just like the Matt Damon, Ben Affleck Everybody, everybody knows, like Matt Damon and Ben Affleck were with the CIA because they bragged about it and they talked about it. Yeah, but like Argo probably, right?
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Eddie
Who? George Clooney.
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Jay Dyer
Oh, yeah, he's the obvious one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think the obvious ones are pretty transparent. Like when I was interviewing Kuryaki, he was talking about how the CIA consults Hollywood and what movies and TV shows. And he said, you know, you could look at the Americans, the CIA consultant. Movie or TV show? It's a great show, by the way. Homeland with Claire Danes, 24, you know, with Kiefer Sutherland. That show.
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Eddie
Yeah.
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Jay Dyer
Those are all like propaganda for sure.
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Eddie
I mean, one of the most propagandized movies of all times was one of my favorite movies, Rocky 4. I mean, that was like in your face during the. The Russian.
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Jay Dyer
Oh, that. Ivan. Ivan or whatever. I remember that. Is that who it was?
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Eddie
Draco?
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Jay Dyer
I think so, yeah.
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Eddie
That was. It was all U. S versus Russia. You know, Drago is. It's Drago. He's, you know.
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Jay Dyer
It was Dolph Lundgren, wasn't it?
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Eddie
Dolph Lundgren, yes.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah.
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Eddie
Steroids. He's training like in a science lab
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Jay Dyer
and then he's a super soldier.
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Eddie
Yeah, yeah. And. And Rocky's training in the snow. He lives. He's doing pull ups in a cabin and then like the whole fight sequence.
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Jay Dyer
That's America, dude. That's why America, when America goes to the moon, they play God golf, dude. That's how badass America is. Right, right.
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Eddie
Think. What do you think of Artemis? That thing a month ago?
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Jay Dyer
Oh, I didn't pay attention to that. I just, I just assume it's all faking gay.
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Eddie
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, and then like Rambo again.
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Jay Dyer
Yes.
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Eddie
Stallone, he got all into, you know, he went to it. Didn't it turn into like a Middle Eastern.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, the second. I think it's Rambo 2. It actually used to. I think they took this out of the movie, by the way, at the beginning of the film. You can still find this on YouTube in like old versions of it. They dedicate the movie to the brave Al Qaeda fighters, the mujahideen. Do you know that?
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Eddie
No.
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Jay Dyer
Yes. The movie is dedicated to the mujahideen, which is al Qaeda, because that took place. Huh?
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Eddie
That. So that's when. At that time, Al Qaeda was a good guy. They were with.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, they were. That was when they. They formed Al Qaeda under Brzezinski, Carter and Gates to be the CIA's proxy force in Afghanistan, fighting the Soviets.
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Eddie
Yes.
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Jay Dyer
And that's when they invited the Mojahideen to the White House. You can go look up those pictures where. Where Ronald Reagan is sitting in the White House with Al Qaeda. Basically. That's the early days of Al Qaeda, when. And the top trainer was bin Laden. He was the top guy that trained all those Mujahideen guys as late as 1993, I think. Yeah, because I just did a whole podcast on this from Max Blumenthal's book Management of Savagery. But as late as 1993, the Western media was still running positive articles about bin Laden. You can look up the. The bin Laden article. I think it's either the London Telegraph or the London Independent. They have this giant assessment of how awesome and how heroic bin Laden was. And then right after that, maybe it might have been 1991. 1991, 93. Somewhere there, right after that, you have the USS Cole bombing and bin Laden takes credit for that.
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Eddie
It's crazy. You know, my favorite TV show growing up was. Was the Twilight Zone. And it was. Every show didn't have a happy ending. Sometimes there were good endings, sometimes there were happy endings, but a lot of times it ended up in a dark way. And I love the unpredictability of it all. Rod Serling was just a mastermind. And putting me. I mean, this is. I don't really like old shit that much, but. But Twilight Zone, man, some of those episodes still stand the test of time. What do you think. What do you think the angle was in terms of the perspective of a deep state Illuminati and mind control with Twilight Zone. Yeah, I can tell.
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Jay Dyer
I can tell you for sure. By the way, real quick. I did. I just remembered. Do you remember the James Bond movies in the 1980s when it was Timothy Dalton, who was James Bond? Do you remember that?
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Eddie
Dude, I didn't even like. I wasn't. I couldn't. With James only because it's like the Twilight Zone is. I didn't. With comic book heroes. I don't give a. About Superman, Batman, because they always won. I. I didn't like the fact that you knew that no matter what battle they were in, they were gonna win. And the good guy always won. That's why I like the Twilight Zone, because you never knew what the. Was gonna happen, you know, but.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, but I'm saying you should watch the 1987 Bond movie Living Daylights, because that whole movie, just like Rambo 2 or. Yeah, Rambo 2 has bond aligning himself with Al Qaeda and the dude that he makes an alliance with is almost copy paste is just like bin Laden. It's. Yeah, it's eerily just like. And on record. And I might be, I might, I might be mixing up. I'm pretty sure that the dedication, the dedication to the freedom fighters and of Al Qaeda Mujadeen, it's either Living Daylights or Rambo too. I think it's Rambo too. But Living Daylights is another one where you can see the propaganda is like, oh, Bin Laden's a, you know, a hero. He's a good guy. On the, the topic of Twilight Zone, I remember some years ago when I was writing the first book and I think I just mentioned this in, in passing. I remember watching the episodes. I was paying a lot of attention to the details, especially in Season 1 and Twilight Zone Within. So the first episode is that soldier who wakes up in a float tank. And he's part of MK Ultra, obviously, because he's being, he's. He's undergoing mind control experimentation. And it's one of the most famous Twilight Zone episodes is where the guy wakes up. The guy just wait. It starts with him in a telephone booth and he's trying to go back to his hometown after he's been deployed somewhere else in the military. And when he gets back to his hometown, there's nobody there. And so the whole film is him trying to like wander through an empty hometown and figure out what's going on. Spoiler alert. And he wakes up inside a military installation in an underground base and a float tank. And so he's been experimented on. So that's MK Ultra, right when MK ULTRA was happening. So they were actually writing these kinds of plots even in the 1950s and 60s about that kind of stuff. And then a few episodes later, there's an ep, there's a one where
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Eddie
a,
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Jay Dyer
a pilot, I think the Air Force pilot, he disappears and then he like reappears and he doesn't know what's happened.
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Eddie
Yes, I've seen that one. And then he reappears and it's like 20 years later.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah.
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Eddie
And he's at this, at the Air Force airport and they find him and there and he's in his like old ass plane and it was like from World War I. And he's trying to convince everybody he was from the past when no one believed him. And then he, he, he talks about how he was flying before he disappeared. He was flying with his, you know, teammate or whatever you would call his soldier mate. And he was scared because the guy, his teammate was a, was a beast. And he was like firing at all these Nazis. And then he bailed. He's like, I'm out of here. So he takes off and he goes into these clouds and he. Now he's 20 years later and he feels like deep down inside that man, he out. And then it turns out that he wasn't crazy and he decided to get back on his plane and try to go back. And then he ended up. No, no, before, before he did that. They have him. He's. It's 20 years in the future and they're talking about this, this, this famous. This war veteran who's coming to the. That airport where he was at. And they mentioned his name. He goes, that's the guy I was flying with. He's still alive. He goes, yes, he's like some famous colonel now. And now, you know, it's 20 years later. It's like, oh, he's coming. He goes, yeah, he's coming here now. It's like, oh, damn. So they still thought he was crazy, but it was weird that he knew the guy. Like, he knows the guy, but. But then it turns out up he didn't want to face him because he thought like, oh my. Oh my God, he's gonna think I'm a big. And he's probably gonna throw me in jail or whatever. He's gonna be so mad at me. So he decides it go get back on his plane. He fights his way back on the plane. He goes up in the clouds and then when that guy shows up, they ask him, did you know this one dude? This one crazy dude saying he knows you from. He says, you got your flight? Goes, yeah, the guy saved my life. I was dead. The Nazis had me surrounded, and out of nowhere he comes and saves my life. So he did go back and he saved his life. So. Yeah, I remember which one you're talking about.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, well, so it's either that one and I'm. I'm going for a memory because I haven't watched these in several years. But it's either that episode or the one where it's in season one where the. There's like a. Invasion of the Body Snatchers in a small town or whatever. Before the up, it's either the beginning or at the end of the episode in the credits, it says consulted on by the Department of Defense. So the Department of Defense was consulting on and helping to craft some of those stories for. For Twilight Zone. So that was good.
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Eddie
People like me, I thought when you hear something like that, like, oh, yeah, they're doing. They're going out of their way to make it authentic. We weren't thinking about like, oh, they're making sure it's propagandized. We. I was always thinking, oh, that's great. Yeah, bring in the CIA to make it more realistic. We want a realistic. You know. So I wasn't ever thinking about the propaganda.
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Jay Dyer
Well, that's partly true, but it's more than that as well. It's also. There's also propaganda. Right? So like. And that's now admitted, right? Like, I think you're right. If you go back to the 1960s, 70s, at that time, people would have thought, yeah, we're just trying to make it more authentic. And that's partly true. However, as we know post 9 11, there was also a lot of revising of the scripts. A lot of propaganda. For example, go back to World War II. And I put this in my. My new book in this last chapter or one of the last chapters of the third volume, Sr. Hollywood, the one I just wrote this last year. Year, the last chapter is about World War II era when they were. They had a. There was a British intelligence set up a ring of screenwriters. And there was a woman, I always forget her name, but she wrote several movies in the 1940s. And the only point of those movies was to ensure that the American population was supporting World War II. So it was British intelligence putting people in Hollywood at that time to write screenplays to convince Americans to support the war effort in World War II. Now whatever you think about that, the point is that that was going on all the way back then. They didn't just, you think they just quit. Oh, we're only going to do it
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Eddie
for World War II.
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Jay Dyer
Now. They were doing all throughout the Cold War. There's so many movies, you know, throughout the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s, all the way up to freaking River. River Phoenix. He was in Ruskis or like he was in a whole bunch of these little Nikita. I remember watching that one that when I was a kid, all these, you know, River Phoenix movies before he was killed, probably, he was in a bunch of these propaganda, you know, Russian movies that were coming out in the 1980s. Remember Charlie?
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Eddie
Was he speaking out? You think he got killed because he was speaking out? He was like turning against Hollywood.
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Jay Dyer
Well, my suspicion is that it would relate to being raised in the Children of God cult, which had a famous PDF scandal. So the Children of God called, by the way, Rose McGowan was raised in that. The River Phoenix. Leaf Phoenix.
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Eddie
Joaquin Phoenix.
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Jay Dyer
Joaquin used to be called Leaf. If you go to old, old movies in the 1980s. He's called Leaf Phoenix. And then for whatever reason, he changed the name to Joaquin. He was. They were raised in that cult. I don't know about them specifically being messed with, but the leader of that cult, Moses Berg, was famously a massive PDF. And so that cult seemed to be pretty well connected. And my suspicion is that whatever led to the demise of River Phoenix probably related to that.
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Eddie
Now there was a new Twilight Zone that came out like in the mid-80s or something.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, I started watching a couple of those.
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Eddie
Really good. And they were.
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Jay Dyer
Some of them really good.
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Eddie
Yeah, there was one about. It started with this lady, she's on. On trial and she's like crying. She's like begging for mercy. And then the judge and the jury like, you're gone. I think she's on trial for murder because you're going to jail forever. And then all of a sudden she goes, yeah, I'll be back. I'll get revenge. Was like, damn. She went from being a woman, a sad woman begging for mercy. And then you saw a little evil side to her. And then they handcuff her, her, and then they take her to prison. And when she's on this bus going to. To the prison, it's like out in the boonies, she sees. She's. She's all handcuffed and everything, all. All in chains. And she sees this black man, old black man. He's the gravedigger for people that die in prison. He's the one that goes out and buries them. So she. She looks at him. They show a little scene. She's looking at him. She goes into the prison, she works her way up, cleaning and getting jobs in the prison. And then she finally works her way to working with the gravedigger black guy. And he's like going blind. And he's waiting for this approval for his eye surgery, and she befriends him. And then he trusts her and. And she's just trying to manipulate him. She got this grand plan of escape and she's going to use him. So he's. He gets this letter and it's, it's. It's, you know, gonna. He's either. He's either gonna find out that his eye surgery got approved or. Or reject it. So she. And he can't find it. She hides his glasses so he can't. He's looking for his glass. She goes, no, I'll just read it for you. Here, give it to me. I'll just read it for you. And she reads it, Tim, and they approved his eye surgery, but she said they didn't. And he's sad, you know, he starts crying. And she said, listen, I. I'll. I'll fix your eyes. I got a lot of money. I got a ton of money. I'm wealthy. He goes, really goes, yeah, I'm gonna. I'm gonna pay for your surgery. You just gotta help me. Me. Because how. He goes, you gotta help me get out of here. And he's like, how the are you gonna do that? So she says, the next time somebody dies, give me the keys to get into the. The coffin room or whatever. So he gives her the keys, because the next time someone dies, they. They ring a bell. Like, for whom the bell tolls, they ring a bell. And she. The plan was the next time she hears that bell, whether it's in five days or two months, that's her cue to go into the casket room, get in the casket with the dead person. He's gonna go out the next morning and bury them and then come out and unbury her and then set her free. That was the plan. So, man, I don't know how much time goes by, but the bell goes off. She. It's, you know, the dead of night. She goes to the prison. She's got the keys, and she sneaks her way into the. Where they. The room where they keep the coffin that they're about to bury. So she sneaks into the. In the coffin. She lays next to the dead person. They take her and bury her. So now she's buried out on the. In front of the. Or on the side of the prison, away from the prison. So she's just waiting there for him to come back later and dig her up and let her set her free. And she's waiting, and she's waiting, and she's talking to herself. She's waiting and praying. And he's taken forever, and it's taking so goddamn long. So she starts going crazy. She could barely breathe. She's like. Or where the are you? Where the are you? So then she lights a match, and she wants to see the dead person next to her. And guess who it is? Who? The gravedigger. And then the credits start rolling and it's over. So I'll never forget that one. That's one episode that just stuck with me. I saw that when I was like. Like 15. I'm like, man, I'll never forget that episode. Dude.
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Jay Dyer
I remember watching. When I was a kid in the 80s, I watched the episode of GI Joe that even freaked me out. It was an episode where they're creating like synthoid replacements of all the people in the Pentagon and the generals. That episode freaked me out as a kid. And then I went. When I, when I got older, I went and researched like the history of GI Joe. The.
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Eddie
Huh, Is it basically about cloning?
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Jay Dyer
Kind of. Except they're like, like, they're like robotic, like nanotech replacements.
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Eddie
Okay.
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Jay Dyer
That are mind controlled. Right. I remember that episode scared me a lot when I was a kid. I don't know why, but maybe I had a premonition that they might actually be be doing that one day. But I remember a few years ago, researching this, I forget the guy's name, Friedman or something like that, but he was like another Pentagon military expert who was a huge consultant on Transformers and GI Joe. And if you go back, I mean, it's kind of silly. I don't really want to watch a bunch of cartoons now that I'm adult. But I did go back and watch the first season of G.I. joe and dude, there's episodes about MK Ultra, there's episodes about harp, there's episodes about nanotech, there's episodes about all this that like the Federal Reserve, there's a whole episode where Cobra says the Federal Reserve is making fake money. So they have the villain as the one saying what's true. Isn't that crazy?
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Eddie
Yes. So in, in, in situations like that where they're telling you, you know, like they're telling you what they're doing and what's going on, like MK Ultra, chemtrails, all that. I think maybe the plan is if we put it in movies, they won't believe it's real. They'll say, dude, you watch too many movies. So when they put in movies, it's not. Maybe it's to, you know, get them used to it or something, but it's also to make it like, so you don't believe it.
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Jay Dyer
I think that's you're right. We missed the kind of. The obvious thing, which I should have said earlier, like the reason that this exists in movies number layer one is so that most people say, oh, dude, you saw that in a movie. Dude, you're an idiot. Yeah. Layer two is the catatonic trauma stuff. Layer three is the only. The occult stuff. So yeah, I think you're absolutely right. There's layers to this.
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Eddie
Yeah. The crazy thing though is when I used to believe in UFOs, it, it used to be that like, you know, 25, 30 years ago, to be a conspiracy theorist meant you were all into UFOs and the government is, is covering up UFOs and hiding UFOs from us.
- [62:57]
Jay Dyer
No, the government wants you believe in you.
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Eddie
No, no, totally. Totally. It took me a while to figure that out. But in the beginning I think that's the first phase. The first phase, like oh my God, the government is hiding UFOs from us. But that's what they want us to believe. So when they were. But then, then I would, then that's when I would think like man, but why is there so many God damn alien and space movies?
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Jay Dyer
And you know why you believe in that?
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Eddie
So then I thought, oh, so that they put it in movie because I was still believing it. And I go, I would say they're putting it in movies to make it look ridiculous. That's what I thought. But it's the opposite. They're put. They want you to believe in UFOs. Anything with space. They green light. Anything with. In space. Go, go. They don't ever hold. It could be the dumbest movie ever. Battlestar Galactica the dumb. They don't give a. They just Flash Gordon if it's. If there's Mars attacks if there's space in it.
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Jay Dyer
Right.
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Eddie
As long as they show like you're in space and there's a planet in the background, they just go with it. They're like, yeah, I didn't give a. What it's about.
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Jay Dyer
Absolutely. In fact, I put in my first book. There's a book written by a guy who, who's a professor who was a. One of these high level social engineers, Hadley Cantrill. And he was involved in studying the UFO phenomenon for its social engineering effects. And he was one of the guys from the Princeton research project who was involved in the Orson Welles radio broadcast which scared everybody. When he broadcast War of the Worlds as a radio story. They thought it was real. They thought aliens were really invading. And so people like Hadley Control studied this to. To understand psychological warfare on the masses. And he wrote a book called, called Invaders from Mars. And it's about using the UFO narrative to steer people at a cultural level into new narratives that would replace the idea of creation, replace the idea of the Bible. In my third, my second book, I put a thing from Brookings Institute, which is one of the top think tanks. The NASA commissioned Brookings Institute in 1968 to do a study on what would happen to people who believe the biblical paradigm of creation if the establishment announced alien life. And the assessment from the social engineers in this white paper was that it would shake Everybody's belief in creation and they would start to believe a new controlled alien narrative that would fit with eons of evolution and the big bang and transhumanism. So they literally say that it was intended to uproot Christian ideas and replace it with this new age alien.
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Eddie
Oh, absolutely. I mean, from the dawn of time, every emperor, every king, they all had the same dream. A one world empire, one world government. They. It's always been that way. Every king and every emperor, they wanted to rule everything. They just. They wanted to, but they couldn't. And they all knew the one way because nobody wants. No small countries want one world government. Like with a small country like one one world government. That's going to put me out of a job. Yeah, it's like it. The only way for a one world government to work. Nobody likes one world government. Who wants that one one king. And he. Whatever he says goes. Most people aren't gonna buy that. The only way to make it happen is to get everyone to embrace it. They have to want it. They have to beg for it. And the only way you beg for it is with a fake alien invasion. That's the only way aliens came down. Everyone's gonna embrace the new world order. So he's wanted it. You can't have a fake alien invasion without space. To my. In my opinion, that's why they keep pushing all the movies and. And NASA and. And aliens and ufo.
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Jay Dyer
Exactly.
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Eddie
Because how are you gonna eventually try to pull off the fake alien invasion if people don't even believe in the space that you're telling them, you know? So I think that's what it's all about. Just prepping the US for the. That's. That's their last. Their last gasp is going to be a fake alien invasion.
- [67:04]
Jay Dyer
Yeah.
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Eddie
I think they may have the technology now to fool enough people. They might like with hologram technology. All you need is like, can you. I mean the holograms they got now, you go to a football game with Baltimore Ravens, they got this crow flying around and it looks real.
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Jay Dyer
Right?
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Eddie
So can they. But I don't think they're confident enough in it. Because if they were, they would have already done it. They would have already done it. I don't think they're like, no, dude. Because once they do it, they can't do it again. Yeah, it's just like Covid can't do covet again. You did it once. It ain't never gonna happen again. No off of that again. You did it once. That's it. That was Your only covet. There ain't gonna be no more covet.
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Jay Dyer
So yeah, I think they, I think you're right. Like if they're gonna roll out something that big, it's got. They, they want to make sure that they've assessed the population's belief in the, in that. Right. So like I think a lot of this fake disclosure stuff that's coming out where the Pentagon's saying, oh yeah, we, by the way, there are aliens and all this. And that's when they put that out. They're seeing, okay, what's the reaction? Are people buying it? We have a crisis of like people don't actually believe the establishment anymore because they lie so much. So how are we going to get everybody to believe this? So I think they've lied too much. So there's a crisis of confidence in the establishment. So it's difficult to convince people of this stuff when the official outlets are just known as constant liars. So I think it looks like, you know, the last two years with all these hearings and so called whistleblowers, like it doesn't look like people are. That they're not wowed by it. Right. It's like it's not having a huge effect. So I don't even know if, if there's enough support of the idea of belief in aliens and UFOs or even interest to. To do that kind of a big
- [68:52]
Eddie
psyop, they're gonna have to do something like hologram of some big ass alien ship and they're gonna have to blow up the White House with it. Like a laser.
- [69:01]
Jay Dyer
It would have to be like massive. Yeah.
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Eddie
And then at that point, you know you're gonna be. If you don't believe in it, you could be arrested. That you, you're anti American or something.
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Jay Dyer
You're or like a, like so remember in. I noticed just. I read through Cyber Polygon, remember Klaus talked about that one day we'll have Cyber Polygon, which will be 10 times worse than Covet. He said it was the Internet, you know, apocalypse. And if you read that Schwab. Yeah, this was when, during COVID He said, you think Covid's bad? Wait until we have Cyber Polygon, which is the collapse of the Internet. And you can watch all the slides of the presentation. I went and watched it and did a bunch of podcasts on it.
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Eddie
And what's that about? Explain that the collab just look Internet sounds.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah. So they basically ran a bunch of exercises and they war gamed. What happens when terrorists take down the Internet? That's cyber polygon.
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Eddie
Yeah.
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Jay Dyer
And they ran this exercises with, like, IBM and the Pentagon and the World Economic Forum and all this, all these entities. And the most enlightening aspect of the exercises was towards the end of it, where they discussed that anybody who questions the narrative, they call them info terrorists. Information terrorists.
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Eddie
Yeah.
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Jay Dyer
So that's what they want. Info denier, but not just denier. Terrorist. So they want to take. They want to take terrorism from the cold. From the war on terror, and now it's info terror. If you say things against the narrative, it's because you're supporting online terror.
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Eddie
Yeah. Yeah, that's smart. I like that. If I was in Illuminati, I'd be like, yeah, that'll work. Yeah, yeah, good one, dude. Hell, yeah. Info terrorist.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah.
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Eddie
Yeah. It's like now. Now, in regards to Eyes Wide Shut, do you think Kubrick was trying to bust the Elite out or what angle do you think was. What was the purpose of that? Like, and then he got killed, right? Because he. They took 20 minutes out of the. His cut. They said, you can't show these. 20 minutes is too deep. And then he died. Like, take me through what you know about that.
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Jay Dyer
So I don't have any set theory on this because I don't know. And I don't. I mean, I haven't seen what was cut. I don't know if anybody has. Roger Avery was just on with Joe Rogan, you know, a few months ago, and he. He theorized that it is relevant, and it could have led to the demise of Kubrick early. I asked Vivian about this, and she said she's not aware of any plot or anything like that. And she. But she's very reticent to kind of talk about her dad's work. She's probably sick of talking about her dad's work, but I. I don't know. But I do think that just the film itself, what we have itself is, like, extremely, extremely revelatory. I mean, and it's been picked apart. We've been picking it apart for over 10 years. Like, there's so many details and clues that now it's not hard to figure out, right Post Epstein. Like, we all know what's going on. And I just did an interview with Dasha Nekrosova. She was in that popular TV show that she just. Just got canceled from. And she made her own movie called scary of 61st, which was. Was loosely based on Epstein stuff and Eyes Wide Shut. And her movie came out, I think, four or five years ago, but it was before all the last Epstein email stuff came out. And basically everything in her movie theorized basically that Epstein was kind of running this sort of, you know, blackmail, high level blackmail operation that was also like Eyes Wide Shut. And so we kind of theorized that that that's like the. This, the real understanding of Eyes Wide Shut. Like Kubrick was telling us basically Epstein style stuff in 1998. And I don't. I wouldn't have a problem believing that that made him, you know, not the best friend of a lot of people in the establishment.
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Eddie
Yeah, yeah.
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Jay Dyer
But I don't know for sure what happened to him. But. But I mean, if you're making movies like that, revelatory, that's pretty. By the way, it's not just Eyes Wide Shut. Like a bunch of his films have this theme of exp. Closing Elite PDF stuff.
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Eddie
Tom Cruise is in it and Nicole Kidman. Right. And I mean, they're in it. So you. They're Scientologists. L. Ron Hubbard, it seems like, like, well, I'd expose what's going on and try to.
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Jay Dyer
Well, according to Vivian.
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Eddie
So try to get people to accept it.
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Jay Dyer
So I don't think Stanley was not a Scientologist. So she says that she believes that he had premonitions about stuff and then he had a little bit of psychic abilities, but he wasn't involved in any cult or occult stuff, according to her. So I. And she says also people have a misconception that he was a leftist because they think everybody in Hollywood's leftist. But actually he was more on the GOP conservative side of stuff stuff. So she argues that, like, he was not promoting establishment narratives willingly. You know, there was times where obviously he would have to work with this or that group to get something filmed. Like, you know, 2001, when they came to him when he was a young filmmaker, he was like, yeah, of course I'll work with NASA or whoever. But she, she argues that he was a. A sincere opponent of corruption, which I think is a plausible thesis. So I don't think think Eyes Wide Shut was made as an establishment movie. I think he really was, you know, criticizing the establishment. And again, it's super revelatory. Like sex cults, Epstein cell stuff, blackmail. I mean, it's all there. Assassinations by essentially what we call the Illuminati. Right. I mean, I don't know of any other. If that was my number one, like, movie. Exposing everything. Hands down, I can't think of a better one. I mean, there's plenty of good ones, you know, that exposed stuff like network or they live conspiracy theory with Mel Gibson. But I think the most revelatory is as well. Now, what do you think is the most conspiracy accurate movie. If you had to pick one.
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Eddie
Independence Day.
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Jay Dyer
Really?
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Eddie
Yeah. That's. That's the new world order right there. You know, that's like Lord of the Rings.
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Jay Dyer
You mean because of the aliens leading to like a new world?
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Eddie
Everyone gets together, all the nations work. Oh, that's the ultimate goal.
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Jay Dyer
Yes, exactly.
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Eddie
Shut definitely exposes the elite and all that they're doing, but as a like the giant picture of where we're at in space and new world order and all that. Same thing with Lord of the Rings. It's the same thing.
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Jay Dyer
Thing.
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Eddie
Like what was Lord of the Rings? They had a. There was this evil force with all these goblins and demons that are taking over castles. So they would go from castle to castle and ask them, yo, you got to join. They're gonna. Everybody up. You gotta join. And the ones that didn't join forces, what happened to them? They got ran over by the. The goblins and all the demons. And so the castles, which were basically like towns and villages, the ones that weren't down, they got taken over. So it's right. You better be down when the, when the evil. You know, when, when the aliens come. We better all work together.
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Jay Dyer
No, I know that's right because I've been doing a Tolkien deep dive and he. Tolkien knew about the new world order. In fact, he and C.S. lewis, who were pretty close friends most of the time, both of their trilogies not talking about Narnia, but CS Lewis wrote a space trilogy. Have you heard of that?
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Eddie
No.
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Jay Dyer
Okay, so get this. C.S. lewis's third volume of the space trilogy. It's about the aliens are actually demons and they're setting up a world government to depopulate everybody. Isn't that crazy? So the whole book is about the new world order and depopulation through a fake alien story. And Tolkien and Lewis were friends, so they knew about this. And when Tolkien wrote Lord of the Rings, I think he is absolutely warning about the new world order.
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Eddie
Yeah, it just. It's so obvious. It's. It's so. And then in Lord of the Rings, the new world order, the guy. They're like the good guys, you know, they're the good. Yeah. And.
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Jay Dyer
And no, they're not the good. What do you mean they're not the good guys? The. The Sauron is who wants a one world order and wants to make.
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Eddie
But they lose. Like the ones who win the The. The forces that got together, don't they win eventually? They never win.
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Jay Dyer
Like Sauron doesn't win.
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Eddie
No, don't. What's her name? Liv Tyler. Wasn't she like. Remember she was a queen like Liv Tyler.
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Jay Dyer
She's an elf and she marries Aragorn.
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Eddie
Yeah, but aren't they. Aren't. Don't they win? I gotta see it again. They lose.
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Jay Dyer
Well, they're. They're the good people. So the elves are kind of like angels. And the humans, they work together to defeat the goblins who are.
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Eddie
Yes. No, but what I'm talking about is, is the goblins. What's the. The. What's the evil force?
- [78:32]
Jay Dyer
The Eye and the Sauron. Sauron.
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Eddie
That's the aliens. Those are the aliens. And then the elves are the. The who? The. They all get together and then they beat them. Right.
- [78:43]
Jay Dyer
Don't they win eventually the good guys win. It's not.
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Eddie
So what I'm saying is that would be the New World order. The good guys, they make them look good like that.
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Jay Dyer
No, they're not the New World Order. It's Sauron that wants One Ring to rule them all. To use the ring to control and create a One World Government.
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Eddie
Yeah, totally. They want a One World government. Like, when the aliens come in, they're going to want a One World government too. They're the bad guys. But it's a fake alien invasion. And the fake alien invasion is to get all our nations together. And every nation is run by a demon. Right. But they get us scared with this fake alien invasion that we all come together and we're the good guys. Meanwhile, we've been manipulated. Does that mean.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, but I'm just saying, in Lord of the Rings, the narrative. And Tolkien was later going to write a book about Satanic cults in that world, but he ended up dying before he wrote the story. He just had notes about it. Yeah, it's based on the Christian narrative. It's a Christian theme. It's not. It's not a fake alien invasion. It's Sauron in the story of the Lord of the Rings is like right below, say, the Satan character. So he's like one of the highest demons.
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Eddie
Totally. No, I get that. So that. That would be the. The aliens. It's.
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Jay Dyer
I'm not saying it's true, but it's not a fake invasion and the story is not fake. It's an actual defeat of evil. And Tolkien said the reason that he didn't write the next story about a Satanic cult in Middle Earth was because he said it would give the impression that evil wasn't fully defeated in the trilogy and that it keeps going on. But evil doesn't keep going on. There's eventually an end to evil. So I'm not understanding how it relates to alien invasion.
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Eddie
No, no, no, no. Let me explain. Let me explain. In the movie, yes, it's real. The evil forces are real, and they want to take over and. And have a one world government. That. That's a movie that's not real. The way it affects reality is we watch that and then when we see evil, we're gonna think it's real, but it's actually fake. But it's to prepare us to unite, like they did in Lord of the Rings, to defeat the evil. But in reality, the evil is fake. But in the movie, the evil is real and the real. And they are. They do want to take over the world, and they do. They're evil. They're just below Satan.
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Jay Dyer
Well, I mean, maybe people take.
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Eddie
Took.
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Jay Dyer
Take that away from it. But in the story, the good guys, their whole argument is not to have a one world government to beat another one world government. The whole purpose of the people fighting Sauron is to maintain the sovereignty of the elves as people, of the humans as people, and of the dwarves as people.
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Eddie
But in reality, that's what we would think, too. We're like, oh, yeah, we got to unite to beat evil, and then we're going to keep our sovereignty. But in reality, no, you didn't. We just ripped up everybody's constitution. Yeah, the aliens are gone. We defeated.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, but. But there's nothing in Lord of the Rings that promotes that idea, as far as I can tell. I think Game of Thrones promoted that. If at the end of Game of Thrones, the way they end the TV show version, I haven't. He hasn't written the final book, so nobody knows how he's going to end it. In that one, they actually say we got to get rid of all the kings and have a equalitarian, egalitarian council of equal people run by a bunch of women and minorities. So Lord Game of Thrones actually ends that way, where everybody's equal with no king. The whole point of Return of the King is that it's like a Christian story of Jesus as the return of the king. So, again, I just don't understand why you would come away and you think, whichever, whatever you want. I'm just saying, I. I never came away with the idea that Lord of the Rings is preparing us for. I mean, maybe because it came out post 9 11, people were thinking about it, like in a terror mindset or something like that. Like the terrorists are like.
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Eddie
I'm not saying. Saying I'm not. What you're saying is correct. In the movie, the evil forces were real. They were real. They weren't. It wasn't. It wasn't a movie.
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Jay Dyer
I understand. You're not saying it was fake, right?
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Eddie
It wasn't a movie about a fake evil force in the movie. It was a real evil force. And in the movie, all the castles were all uniting to fight this evil force.
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Jay Dyer
Right?
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Eddie
That's what they were preparing us. What happened, like, you know, after it was over, they're all like, in gardens and. And they're all happy and. And drinking tea. Be that. That's. I think, in my opinion. I don't know. In my opinion, all I was saying was like, damn, they're getting everyone united and whatever. Castles weren't down to fight. They got killed. So that shows you, like, we gotta all unite.
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Jay Dyer
So I see what you're saying. So. So maybe that came out because Lord of the Rings, the films came out right after 9 11, right around that time. So maybe the purpose, from the establishment's vantage point of putting that out was to make people think that the terrorists are like. Like Sauron or whatever, and we got to unite against terror.
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Eddie
Exactly.
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Jay Dyer
So that could be the case.
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Eddie
Yeah, that's what I. That's what I saw. I saw the. I was like, that's what I see. But I could be wrong. There could be another propaganda reason for it too. But.
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Jay Dyer
You ever see the movie Momento Memento with Christian Bale?
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Eddie
Yeah, I want. I want. I wish there was a panel of people we could trust. And you would definitely. You would be like the head of the panel. You want to watch a movie that has zero propaganda? I don't want no propaganda. I wish there was a list of movies that was approved by 12 people in the council. 12 people where they're like, dude, everybody watched the movie. And they're like, this looks like a legit actual story with zero problem. You know what I mean? And. And. And that's the one good thing about AI making movies. This is the one good thing. Because up until AI movies, all the movies had to go through the DreamWorks filter, New Line Cinema, Columbia, UA pictures or whatever, these giant movie companies. That's the only movies we really saw. There was some indie films too, but where do you find indie films? Most of the big movies, you go to the movie theater. You go to Arc Light, you Go to Regal, if they all go through the big houses. And by the time it gets to you, it's propagandized to shit. So the good thing about AI is anybody's gonna be able to make a movie now, so it's not gonna need to be propagandized. So, sure, there's gonna be a lot of movies, but there's also going to be a lot of great movies. We had great stories with zero propaganda, zero CIA handling all that. So I'm looking forward because people are like, oh, but it's not a real movie. It's AI. I'm like, dude, shut the up. You watch cartoons? You don't like cartoons? I love cartoons. That's all fake. Like, so, like, I watch animated movies. I watch the. The Super Marios movie with my. My son. That one. You know what I mean? So people watch fake all the time, but all of a sudden it's AI. You're like, oh, no, that's another kind of fake. Cartoons all the goddamn time. You don't want the Simpsons. You don't want South Park. You know what I mean? So AI can be made to look like animation. That's fine. Then people will be like, okay, it's animated.
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Jay Dyer
Or Right.
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Eddie
How about AI to make it look realistic, as. Who cares if it's not real? Who gives a. Oh, but then the actors aren't gonna have any jobs. Who gives a. I just want movies without propaganda in them. Give me a good story, you know, and not like some typical cookie cutter. Yeah, that's what I'm looking forward with AI. Anybody's gonna be able to make movies now.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, I mean, that could be. That's a possibility. I mean, I think everybody just assumes AI is going to be like a dystopian, you know, nightmare thing. I mean, it could be good for the arts, but I don. Know, I feel like it might. I kind of feel like it's going to be a passing fad, but maybe not. Maybe as it gets better.
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Eddie
I don't think so. I think, you know, you still got to write the. The. You know, if. If you have AI write the story for you, it's going to be generic, terrible. Just like AI can write lyrics for you and it can write music for you. They sucks. It's not good. And people are like, oh, my God, AI is writing music. Like, kids can write songs. Songs are easy to write, great songs, hard to write, almost impossible, but just a song. Kids can write a song and a poem. So who cares if AI can wr lyrics and music? Who wants to hear that anyways. I don't want to hear that. But, but if you, if you could write a script and put, you know, direct. Put all these directors notes in a script and just stick it into AI and it's all your words, it's your script and AI turns it into like, like a 500 million dollar looking movie. How is that bad? You know what I mean? That's like saying like I had this, this guy owns this multi million dollar stem cell company and he's telling me, he's like listen dude, you got to get this one program. It's a take all our footage, we have like tens of thousands of hours of video footage and it just puts to it edits that we want. We just give little prompts and it goes through everything and it just edits these awesome little promos and commercials and stuff. And I said, and I said to him, I'm like, don't you think people are going to be pissed off? And they're like for what? Because you didn't actually use real editors? And he was like, who gives a. Like why would we. Like why would we be cared. And I just said that I was being sarcastic, you know what I mean? Because I'm for AI. You know what I mean? What I do do with AI for music. I've written a ton of songs for the last 35 years.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah.
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Eddie
Sitting in my computer. These MP3s, old demos that I did back in 88 doing nothing. And now you could up. I could upload that song in the SUNO and then it pops up. A beautifully produced version of the song. Still the same lyrics, still the same chord progression. It's the same song. AI didn't write the song, AI just remix it. And I'm having so much fun with that. It's bringing all these songs that were dead in the water for decades back to life for me. And I can make any version of them. I can make a reggae version, I can make a. I'm making Alana del Rey version of songs because I produce a lot of female songs and I got all these female songs with production. But the lyrics are great and according to me and so are the chord progressions and everything. I put my heart and soul into these songs. It was just the production sucked. I did them on like 4, 4 track task camera chords. Now I take that same file, upload it to Suno and it pops up any version I want. I could keep it the same. Just, just amp up the production, make it sound like a million dollars or I can make it a country song. Just like that. Like that. And for a songwriter, songwriters always had in their head, like, they would write a song and. And they would think, man, man, this might. This might work reggae. This might work country. This might work new metal, this might work. If I did it like this, this might work reggae Ton. But you will never know because you're never going to do it. No one ever does it because it's so expensive to produce a song, just one at a. At a high level, and it takes so much time that you're only going to do your set genre. You're not going to do, hey, I'm going to spend another $5,000 to make a country version that no one does. You would think you want other people to do it, like, oh, this guy did a country version of my song. But you would never do it because you don't have the time and you don't have the money, and you would never. But now you can make your song any version you want and just tweak it any way you want. Like that. It's like that, right? Like, I love it, man. It's. It's what songwriters and producers been waiting for their whole life. Engineers, they're panicking. Engineers, like, they're panicking. It's like if someone gave you a mansion, you know, a 10, 10, 10 million dollar mansion, and it's up in the hills and it's amazing. It's got 13 bedrooms, amazing backyard with a Olympic pool and a tennis court. And you would take it, right? You would take the house if they just gave it to you. Yeah, right. But what if you found out, like, it was made by, like, robots and, and. And not Mexicans from Home Depot. Would you be mad? Would you give the house back? You wouldn't give a. He wouldn't give a. If robots made it. And then if they told you, you know, the architect was AI. AI I. He AI designed the house. Nobody would care. No one would care at all. You're like, oh, like, no one gives a. The engineers, the work. The ones that are doing, like, the hard work, they're the ones that the middlemen are getting cut out, right? You still need to create. Just like I said, AI writes lyrics. They could, you can say, write me a song about boy meets girl, girl. And it's going to be generic and no one. It's going to be this vanilla. I. I would never do that, have AI writing lyrics for me. I write my own lyrics. It's my. They're my lyrics or, or singers that I'M producing their lyrics and my music, my chord progressions I put together. AI just makes it sound like. Like I got signed by Capitol Records and they gave me 200 to make the album.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah.
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Eddie
That's the only difference, you know what I mean? So for a producer, producers don't give a who played. If you're. You're producing a band. A producer is producing a band. He does not give a who plays bass on this album. All he cares about. About is how the album is going to make him look and are the songs going to be as good as they can be. He don't give a who play. As a matter of fact, he don't like that drummer. You know, at the middle of the night, they're going to bring in another drum. They're going to bring in Travis Barker to play drums. Because the drummer of this band just ain't cutting it. He's like, out of time. The producer don't give a. The producer don't even. Like, if the guy can't even pull off harmony, he's like, we're gonna bring someone else in. Like, the producer don't care. The producer just cares about the product. The song. Song. What does the song sound like? Now, the bass player, he cares. He cares. The drummer, he cares because he's getting cut out. They're bringing in Travis Barker to redo all his drums. They care, you know, the guitar player of. The guitar player, that gun. And they bring the dude from. From Alice Cooper. Yeah, they're gonna care. Yeah, the producer don't care. The producer.
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Jay Dyer
Right, Right.
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Eddie
My reputation is on the line. Like with Smashing Pumpkins when they first got signed, the. The band was never around. They were always partying and. And Billy Corrigan was always the one on the demo making the demo tapes. Yeah, he gets signed with a demo tape. Butch Vic signs him, and they. He hears the demo tape, goes this great. Let's do an album. So they go in, the band's all excited. They get signed off, Billy Corgan playing everything on the demo. And then when they get in the studio, Butch Vic goes, what the fuck is this? Like, what is. What is this guy playing? He goes, he's the guitar player and she's the bass player there. And he's all like, that. That's not what. That's on the demo. And, like, so Butch Vic said, listen, you're playing all this, okay? If that was you on the demo, you don't them. And so Billy had to tell Darcy and James, like, listen, Butch wants me to play the bass and all the guitar. And they were like, but the next sound, once. Once we do the next album, then we're gonna. Everyone's gonna play. So they're like, okay, I guess. And you know, Billy Corgan's like, he shreds. He's really, really, really good. Way better. He's. He's a shredder. So they understood. And Darcy's not that great of a bass player.
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Jay Dyer
So she kind of.
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Eddie
She goes on the second album, then we'll all come back. So by the time before the second album was. Was worked on, Butch Vic did. Never mind Nirvana. That blows up. That's the biggest album in the world. Now Butch Vic is a superstar producer. He's the hottest producer in the world. And now he's his next on his list is like doing Smashing Pumpkin second album. Because the first album. Album he did with them was like the biggest indie album.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, I had that. I had that one. I had all those Gish, right?
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Eddie
That was the biggest indie album, but it wasn't like, massive. But then he goes from Gish, Smashing Pumpkins big indie album. Then a Nirvana wants Butch Vic because he did Smashing Pumpkins big indie album, right? Nirvana blows the up there go through the stratosphere. And now they're gonna do the smash up. I'm gonna do their second album, Siamese Drink Screen. So now Butch Vic's reputation is on the line. So now they're gonna do the album. Now Darcy and James think they're gonna play on the album. And then Butch goes, they're not playing on this album. You're playing everything on this album. So that's where the. The rift started and all the divide. Because, yeah, even on Siamese Dream, Billy played everything as far as the guitar and the bass goes, of course. Jimmy Chamberlain on drums, he's a master. I mean, Billy Corn can't play drums, but as far as the bass and guitar, Billy played everything. And then of course, he sang most everything.
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Jay Dyer
Right?
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Eddie
So my point was.
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Jay Dyer
AI.
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Eddie
Yeah, all the producer cares about is how good the final product is. You know, and that doesn't mean everyone should think like that. You know, if you're a bass player, you should be like, dude, I wanna. I want my bass line to be on this. My. Yeah, and I get that too, too. But AI is for creators, people that are creating. Because if you can create something and have AI make it sound like. Like a script, you could stick. Can you imagine sticking a script into AI? And it's all your words, it's your storyline and everything, but all of a sudden, the visuals look like they. You know, there was 300 million spent on it. That's a good thing in my eyes. That's not a bad thing. That's a good thing. As long as that's the story's good and the script is good.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, yeah, no, I see what you're saying. That's a good point. I mean, yeah, I think it's definitely going to be a lot of positives. I just worry that they're gonna, like, shut down before people have the ability to. To use it for that. You know what I mean? Like, you know, we get some kind of.
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Eddie
It's so close. Yeah, close, man. I got guys really trying to master it. There's improvements like, every other day. There's like a new. Yeah, there's. It's improving, like, at an AI speed. Like, AI. Like exponential. It's like.
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Jay Dyer
Exactly. Yeah.
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Eddie
Nuclear bomb supposed to work.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah. Yeah.
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Eddie
Theory.
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Jay Dyer
Hey, man, I'll probably have to go pretty soon, but I love. I'd love to. If you want to do it again, I'd love to come back anytime.
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Eddie
I love you. This was an awesome talk.
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Jay Dyer
Likewise, Dog podcast.
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Eddie
Let's do it again anytime. We got way more movies to get to and TV shows, man. Thank you, dude. And you have a good night.
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Jay Dyer
You too, Eddie. Thank you so much.
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Eddie
Thank you.